Best DOS RPGs by Year 1981 - 1997
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 12 มิ.ย. 2024
- So yeah, This is the first episode in my new small series. It'll cover the best DOS games by year in their respective genres as voted by the general populace of gamers, so MobyGames website users. If there ever happens to be a tie, I'll revert to critic's scores, and if that ties as well, I'll make the call. I don't expect to ever have to do it though. So, first episode is all about RPGs, as I figured it'd be a good one to start with. Let me know what you think about it?
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Gameplay recordings that you've seen in this video as a background to my commentary came from amazing retro gaming related channels that do a great job preserving the classics for the future. They all deserve your subscription, and they all have mine. These are:
0:00 Intro
0:24 The Wizard's Castle (@thevideogamesmuseum3602 )
1:56 Dunjonquest: Temple of Apshai (@thevideogamesmuseum3602 )
3:54 Ultima II: The Revenge of the Enchantress (@regiongame )
5:40 Rogue (@djretrogames9567 )
7:04 Ultima III: Exodus (@thriftweeds )
8:37 Starflight (@thriftweeds )
10:03 Ultima IV: Quest of the Avatar (@silent__TwItCh )
11:52 Ultima V: Warriors of Destiny (@silent__TwItCh )
13:12 Hero's Quest: So You Want to be a Hero (@thriftweeds )
14:15 Ultima VI: The False Prophet (@thriftweeds )
15:40 Might and Magic III: Isles of Terra (@thriftweeds )
17:12 Ultima VII Part I: The Black Gate (@thriftweeds )
19:11 Lands of Lore: Throne of Chaos (@thriftweeds )
20:26 Superhero: League of Hoboken (@rpgsammler )
22:15 Jagged Alliance (@thriftweeds )
24:14 The Elder Scrolls: Daggerfall (@thriftweeds )
27:21 Fallout (@thriftweeds )
29:27 Outro
#retrogames #retrogaming #dos #rpg #rpggames - เกม
_Betrayal at Krondor_ not being the 1993 pick is borderline criminal
MobyGames users choices. Sorry.
@@OldAndNewVideoGames I'm not blaming you. I'm just saying it's outrageous.
@@wimleybuckets Well, similar thing happened with point'n'click adventure games. But the next one, that will cover racing games, is not single anything, it's not focused on a single dev or a series at all. And should be a nice break from it.
LOL i was just about to make this comment; guess i don't have to 👍
@@FronzelNeekburm It was an iconic game indeed. MobyGames users must've not thought that though. xD
I like these old DOS games. Yes, among them there is quite a bit of garbage, but at the same time, there are a lot of unique projects. Much more than in the modern gaming industry over the past 10 years. In those years there were no clear boundaries of the genre. People experimented constantly, which sometimes gave truly amazing results. I love pixel art, music and sounds of these games.
I have a lot of melancholy for the pixel too. They do not age at all! :)
There's nothing unique in the last 10 years? Stop 😂😂😂😂
hmm like what new or unique there has been in the last 10 years?@@williamRE
Betrayal at Krondor. Should be on the list
Perhaps you're right but that's what MobyGames users picked. xD
The Sega Genesis remake of Starflight was phenomenal and was mostly drowned out by the plethora of JRPGs out there at the time. It has much better graphics, sound, etc and really was a great game
Yep, it was the best version, I agree.
What about the Eye of the Beholder trilogy and the Ultima Underworld games?
It seems MobyGames users didn't thought them good enough.
Those two are the best classic rpg ever...
Phantasie series was grand, to this day at 46 years old I bust out and complete Phantasie iii multiple times a year 😢
I agree. They are not however what "World" has picked for they faves for any of the years. And I too would make some different choices here and there. xD
Those were my jam! And Bard's Tale series - now remastered.
MM series was so glittering atmospheric!
It was the first time I heard Adlib music on PC after constant PC-speaker, love that background chimes since then.
That toad guy from Lands of Lore imprinted "Splendid!" reaction in me lol, when you place some gem in some wall. Every time I see this face I recall it)
M&M was an amazing series. I remember playing the games and always getting lost in them for hours. I think I liked VI the most.
@@OldAndNewVideoGames You know, I just realize difference of early "FPV" RPGs like M&M, EoB, Wizardry, etc. from modern ones: they defines the grid of action spots, its not just the geometric coordinate.
You come into the spot with Pyramid - and this is a discrete place of interest, a whole location with one exact subject within it. It makes all things concentrated, and somehow more logic.
Just thought. Thank you for these reviews!
@@goge- There's definitely something in what you say. :)
Thanks for watching! And the next video in this particular series will be out around the end of the week. After video in one of my standard series. Different genre though.
Wow, I played many of these. Ultima II, Starflight, Hero's Quest, Jagged Alliance and Daggerfall.
Great trip back in time!
Thank you! The next video in the series, which should be out end of the week, after another of the regular ones, will cover point'n'click adventure games. Should be fun too.
Good work, i would add Wizardry: Proving Grounds of the Mad Overlord from 1981 (it was the first party based RPG, without Wizardry, we won't have the later Ultima Series, starting with part 3, the Might and Magic series or all party based RPG) and Ultima Underworld: The Stygian Abyss from 1992 (for being the first full 3D Game that was ever created and with that, it was the grandfather of all 3D RPG like The Elder Scrolls or even the later Fallout games).
Excellent suggestions, though the picks for the video were from MobyGames website, and not mine. I will make a list of my own at some point. But I wanna cover what the World picked for all the genres first. :)
Wizardry for DOS didn't release until 1984. As far as I'm concerned, the author lists DOS titles only.
bards tale 3, mars saga, and wasteland were a big part of my childhood. surprised they didnt get mentioned
MobyGames user's choices. So, what majority said, goes. I'll make my own list eventually, and it will definitely be different. I mean some stuff, like Fallout will remain where they are, but a lot will change. xD
I played one around 82 called Telengard. It was a primitive dungeon crawler. You worked your way thru a dungeon, room by room, level by level. Sometimes, you'd find an exit to an Inn on the surface where you could rest and return to the dungeon. If you gave your character the name Demo, it ran the game turn-based; otherwise, it ran in real time, meaning you could get random encounters just standing in place. And the theme music was a piece of Russian classical music whose name escapes me, but it sounded really cool on the Commodore 64 I had. And it was written in basic, so you could hack it if you knew what you were doing.
I heard the name, though I do not recall the game. So I must've really just hear about it. I'll look it up, thanks!
Text adventures were unplayable for me back then. I was 7 in 1981 you young whippersnapper & severely dyslexic, so I’m not exaggerating when I say they were unplayable unfortunately.
Dunjonquest actually looks quite good given the hardware it was running on. It has a style to it that can only come from it’s hardware limitations.
Showing younger people the early Ultima games always ends up explaining that they’re so simplistic looking because they had to be. Ultima II’s dungeon crawling “3D” sections were graphically good for their day. It was pretty obvious the franchise was going to play a very big part in this list.
What a legacy Rogue has. Whilst the text mode visuals were very, very basic & difficulty was very inconsistent it’s a true cornerstone of gaming & worth a look at least once so you know where those mechanics came from.
I’ve never played Starflight & hadn’t realised how good looking it is for 1986? I was still playing on the ZX Spectrum at the time & you know how games look on that platformed. Loved the Spectrum anyway.
By ‘89 I was managing my dyslexia better & I do recognise how good Hero’s Quest was but I still really got to see games like that whilst a mate was playing it.
Might and Magic III was fantastic for its day in no small part because of mouse control. I saw it first on the Amiga & unless I’m remembering through rose tinted glasses it looked & played much the same?
Pretty sure I learned of Land of Lore from you just recently? It’s so good for it’s time & one everyone should try.
Superhero: LoH is new to me. It certainly seems like something worth a look, from what you’ve said?
I never could get in to Jagged alliance & I’m not 100% sure why? Possibly because of my pursuit of 3D (or at least 2.5D) back then?
Oh my goodness, Dagerfall is so good! Well after all the patches & when you get used to the sloppy combat anyway but in its day it had a world that felt alive in a way nothing else did back then. Even if it seems somewhat flawed & dated now.
Fallout! It’s one of the best regarded games of all time for good reason. Whilst it may be a bit awkward to play by modern standards it still have a lot to offer if you don’t mind the 2D isometric presentation.
What a fun list! I grabbed Battlespire, thank you. I have it on disk for retro PC’s but having the Steam version is just more convenient, something that’s becoming more & more important to me.
You know, the first Rogue I played was actually years later, and while it was still Rogue, it was much more feature rich and advanced. Still no graphics though. But it did support various text modes at least. :)
I was still on C64 by 1989 too, and many games from 87-88 still looked way better on C64 than on PC. And yeah, I get that dyslexia may have been a serious issue. I mean it probably still is, but not to the same degree. But when you're a kid, and also have dyslexia, that means having to do twice as work for the similar effect. :/
Nah, you remember it right. Short of manic disk swapping, Amiga and PC version of M&MIII is pretty much the same. I've covered the second game in the Lands of Lore series instead, this first I did too but around a year ago I think.
Jagged Alliance, and even better it's stand-alone expansion JA: Deadly Games were both fantastic! It's charming, it's funny, but it's also devilishly difficult, tactically demanding and so so so rewarding! :)
I would really like to see Daggerfall on some modern or at least modern-ish engine. The game World was the size of Great britain and it could take months to walk from the absolute south to north if you've not used any kind of fast travel. It was ginormous! Correction: is. :)
I'm in the minority, you know. Cause I like Fallout 2 more than 1. And given how many fun total conversions of it there are today, and how they enhance and/or transform the gameplay, it's still worth a playthrough, even if you've completed it before.
I'm dropping another Obscure DOS video for Patreon/Members tomorrow (hopefully), and the next will be second in this new series. Point'n'Click adventures this time. So, it'll also be a fun one, and also very one dev-heavy. xD At least initially.
And I get the need for convenience when gaming. It's also a reason why I always say that today the best Amiga is PC. As in emulated.
I played FIDO text RPG back at FIDO days - you had to find the job as programmer, update your PC, buy food and so on. Never got hired, it was so pain...
@@goge- That's actually something I've never heard of. You got me intrigued there... Thanks! :)
@@OldAndNewVideoGames It was local Russian game, i'm not sure it exists in any other language - FIDO community was pretty strong in late USSR till internet.
@@goge- Yeah, I didn't found anything by that name on MobyGames. :/
very nice video, dude! (congrats to 10k subscribers btw.)
Thank you very much! :) For both! :)
the tavern theme from Daggerfall plays in my head on loop no matter what I am doing anywhere. I am a severly troubled man...😄
The main menu theme from Mordor Depths from Dejenol plays in mine. So, you're not alone. xD
@@OldAndNewVideoGames back when I still smoked pot I could always tell that I am way beyond the limit if I start hearing the theme from ultima 3 for nintendo...the black gate
@@z.s.7992 OMG LOL! :) That's so funny... I don't have to be high to often hear Mordor's main menu theme. That said, it's hell of an earworm. xD
i know there had to have been choices made or this video could go on for hours... some notable mentions: bard's tale, dungeon master, eob series, wasteland, betrayal at krondor, wizardry and pretty much anything made by SSI AD&D series ... that was the golden age of rpgs.
All great choices and amazing games. And my list would be a bit different too. :)
This channel is awesome!🍻
Thank you very much!
I've got Jagged Alliance, Fallout and Daggerfall on Steam. I also have played Daggerfall Unity as you can smooth the graphics out slightly. I still start games and never get around to finishing the main story as the game is too big.
Oh I get that... I've started so many games and never finished it's ridiculous. xD I've over 1200 of them on Steam, and I've completed maybe over a 100 of them. Maybe. xD
What amazes me is how crazy a lot of the big early rpg games were, like the Ultima and Wizardry series. They always seem to have science fiction elements like laser guns, space ships, etc. It was definitely the influence of Star Wars. It’s hard to explain to people now how huge the original Star Wars was. It influenced everything up until 1983 or so.
I think that the simplicity of their presentation, allowed the devs to go ahead and stick in much more content than later graphics-heavy games wouldn't be able to. So, you could say that there was a complexity in their simplicity. ;)
Awesome video dude
Thanks a bunch! :)
thank you just what i was looking for. Edit, you could pick more than one game per year.
Thank you! :)
I could, and there may be a best *insert genre here* video in the future, for now though I'm covering specific genres as picked by the Worldwide gamers. The next will cover point'n'click adventure games and should be out end of this week I think.
@@OldAndNewVideoGames I am looking for more obscure dos rpgs in order to get a better idea how rpgs were back then and how diablo turned every rpg into a hack and slash dungeon clearing fest.
@@arkgaharandan5881 You could say that to a degree Diablo originated from Rogue. It's the same game just in real time and with graphics. ;) More or less. :P
@@OldAndNewVideoGames no i mean before diablo you couldnt make a rpg that you copy paste dungeons and randomize loot you had to actually have some good story in the game.
Interesting look through history. Unlike the MobyGames list you looked at a couple months ago, nothing I can point out and go "yeah that was flat out wrong". Few thoughts on games.
-Early Ultimas: I assume these were revolutionary at their time, but man, I tried 3, 4, and 5 at various times as a kid in the mid-90s and again in the mid-2000's as an adult and all of them felt completely impossible to play. The terribly awkward interface, the combat, lack of guidance, and everything else just flat out does not hold up, at all.
-Might and Magic III: By comparison, this game absolutely does hold up, shockingly well. I first played this in like 2012 after having grown up hearing about the series but never trying it, wasn't expecting much because of its' age, and ended up really enjoying the game start-to-finish. World of Xeen is a little better of course, but 3 is definitely still solid.
-Superhero: When I clicked on this video, I was not expecting to find a game that I'd never heard of on this list. Games I've never played, sure, but not a game that was a complete mystery. Looks pretty solid though.
-Daggerfall: I never played as a kid, but then wasn't able to make myself go back and try because of all the issues and also because it felt like such an enormous step back from the Morrowind I was used to that I just couldn't. That said, the new Daggerfall Unity project officially came out recently and by all accounts is outstanding, so it is on my list to give it a try and see if all the improvements make it more enjoyable.
-Fallout: Still awesome, still a great story, still worth playing for any fan of RPGs.
I kinda figured that if I go by the genre, gamers would have much easier time picking titles that most would agree with at least to a certain degree. As with all lists like that I have my observations and personal choices too, but there will come a time for make *my* list, and then I'll talk about my picks. :)
I get why you feel the way you do about Ultimas, cause I have similar thoughts about text parsers.
I feel like most Might & Magic games were rather good, even the new ones, though they changed quite a lot in the last few instalments.
Superhero League of Hoboken is exceptional. If you don't mind the futuristic superhero theme. Some might. But if you don't, it's easily worth a time it'll take to complete it. Also, quite fun all the way through.
Is the Daggerfall Unity also fully randomized between the key locations? Is it as big as the original was? I gotta look it up...
Oh, and I'm the minority that found Fallout 2 more enjoyable than the first. But I hate when games give me arbitrary timer to complete them in. xD
Starflight!
Indeed :)
Starflight was great. If you haven't played it I can recommend star control 2 ur quan masters hd. It's a free version of the old game that has been updated with lots of new features and resolution options. I was just thinking about it because I found a bunch of my more than 30 year old notes for it in a box in the basement.
@@JonasRosenven Yep, I second that. Both great games.
Ultima VI is my favorite. It's one of those games I go back to every 2 years or so.
I used to come back to original UFO Enemy Unknown, every January, every year for a whole alien ass-kicking campaign. And then life happened, and I don't anymore. :(
@@OldAndNewVideoGames I hear you. I play an Open Xcom campaign once in a while.
@@bstar777777 It just never gets old, does it?
Enjoyed the video, thank you.
Thanks for watching!
Only played Fallout, well a little bit of Daggerfall but i felt it was empty and void of atmosphere. Fallout is a classic in every way, atmosphere, sound, music, story it's all top tier
I agree. Fallout *is* incredible! And I would love to see it remade in 3D. There is actually some work being done in F4's engine, and we may end up seeing F1 there, but it's very early from what I've seen. All the locations are easily recognisable though.
I was just wondering yesterday where the "Rogue" from "Roguelike" came from. Now I know!
:D
Eye of beholder 1990 - second part is very good, but i prefer first. It has the best game labyrinth that I've seen.
Das Schwarze Auge: realms of arcania 1992-93 - best RPG that I've played ever. Nice exploration, great party management, decent battles, excellent story and original open world.
I remember drooling over Realms of Arkania and its follow-ups when I still had the Amiga... Later on, naturally I got a PC, but in the Amiga period I was enchanted by what I saw and read about it in the gaming mags.
I'm pretty much satisfied that my all time favorite RPG is there on the list, and as an RPG that it really is: Jagged Alliance.
Arguably it's a mixed genre game, but you have to look at the 90s as the times when these started mixing, and today, we hardly ever get a straight up "this" or "that" game. It's usually "this" with elements of "that" and also "that too". :) So, in a way JA was a progenitor of the whole notion of modern gaming. :)
3:35 different breed of gamer back then. Notice how most games don't have cheat codes anymore? It's because you need to protect the player from themselves.
That... Kinda makes sense. :)
Quickly moved from VIC-20 arcade games to RPGs and SIMs, found I enjoyed using my brains more than waggling a joystick! So this video is right up my alley, especially as I have played 99% of them!! Carried on with my C64 and PC all the way to Cyberpunk 2077!
Yeah, I love RPGs more than any other genre. And if it can be an RPG with turn-based tactical combat, then I do even more so. That said, I do enjoy good first person perspective RPGs too. Morrowind, Oblivion and Fallout New Vegas, I loved. I played CP2077 on a fairly powerful and modern PC at the time, so had no issues really, and story wise, especially when talking about the side stories, it was a masterpiece. Technically speaking, and when it comes to features that were removed, cut out or never really planned and only announced is another thing entirely. xD
Awesome, but I would like to add Dungeon Master and Might and Magic Worlds of Xeen :)
Makes sense. That said, this video's based on MobyGames users choices.
*Daggerfall* is perhaps the most impressive RPG I’ve seen among …. the ones I’ve still never played!!
( *Gothic* is my most favorite RPG ever ,yet I can’t deny that Daggerfall ,considering its age ,is perhaps an even more impressive creation ,though… as I said ,still I haven’t played it)
--P.S. NO … *Diablo* (1997) in the list ? ( *edit* : although ,now that i think of it ,i remember reading that Diablo needed windows95 in order for it to play )
I remember during its release I didn’t have PC and I was reading a review about Diablo in a PC magazine. I was …blown away by the pictures I was looking at ,and I was dreaming of playing it !!
The dream came true through Playstation ,since a version of Diablo was released at Playstation few years later. I bought it , I finished it and it was amazing !!! … exactly what I was dreaming while looking at those PC magazine’s pictures !!
I don't know of anyone, who'd complete Daggerfall. Most people bounced off of it sooner or later for one reason or another. I'm not an exception. Morrowind streamlined the gameplay, and made it more user-friendly, even if change came with reduction to the game world's size.
Yeah, Diablo was all Windows. I remember getting a magazine with a demo of it, that had only first two dungeon levels, so all the way up to Butcher. I played it to death! xD
I never did play the Exodeuse trilogy but iv beaten 4-9 multiple times i absolutely love the ultima series. Glad to learn of a couple old games i didnt know about before and will absolutely play through asap thanks so much!
I'd like to say you're welcome, but while I made the video, the choices were of MobyGames users. So, the World picked the winners for each year. :)
@@OldAndNewVideoGames glad to see there are still some people who enjoy old school rpg’s besides myself.
@@HamTheBacon There's nothing wrong with the older ones. Sure, they may not look or sound as good, but many of them are as playable today, as they were when they released. Mind you, not all of them. ;)
I just modded DAGGERFALL and it is Fantastic ! - Over the past weeks i have been enjoying the game beyond belief. So many quality of life mods with graphics looking insane and beautiful. Skybox with clouds and birds, sunsets dropping behind the towns, extra quest packs for even more random jobs and money making ways. I can't stop playing it.
Well, it is the biggest non-space game ever made. In terms of its World size. So, there's gotta be a lot of to see there. I never thought about going back to it. I've heard of a Skyrim engine remake of Daggerfall, but don't know if it was ever completed, but it's one that definitely could use a remake.
@@OldAndNewVideoGames SkygerFall i believe is complete and working.
@@Sulucion6Tone Thanks! :)
I'm glad you guys are enjoying the game even after all these years :)
@@halbouma6720 It's a cool game!
Fun list but I'm always abit leery about rankings that have been voted on, especially this many years after the games actually came out. For instance: Is the Ultima games, particularly the early ones, better than the Wizardry games(or other competitors) or is it just that more people played / remember Ultima? ...these are the question that keep me up at night xD
Solid and well placed questions. I too agree that some games could be replaced by others. As same as everyone I have my own picks, but I'll make my own list when I'm done with the series. And the next episode will cover point'n'click adventure games.
@@OldAndNewVideoGames I dig this, but really? 1981 was Wizardry and you have this other game that you hated... did you hate Wizardry that much?? PS asking out of curiosity I dig this list. :)
@@splatbubble I actually enjoyed Wizardry. It was one of the few first RPGs I played on PC moving from the Amiga. But as it's on the title screen and mentioned in the intro, these games are MobyUsers choices, so the World of gamers picked those. And unless it's absolutely necessary, I'm not stepping in. :) I'll have my own list made at some point too, and it will be different. :)
I miss the sense of imagination and improvement from the games of the 80s, 90s, and early 00s. Fun and ambition. Long before greed, diminishing returns and politicized design took over the industry.
Well, you could also pull off a game in like few months back then if you really wanted to and had a strong team of 10-50 people. Today, a team of 300 needs 5 years for the AAA game, if it's not too ambitious. xD
Might and Magic were my favorite RPGs back then! Also loved Daggerfall when it came out
Daggerfall was such a huge game...
SUPERHERO LEAGUE OF HOBOKEN shaped my life in more ways than one and caused endless giggles.
Are you... Are you a superhero now? With a power to, let's say, predict the past? ;)
@@OldAndNewVideoGames social invisibilty.
im invisible but only because you don't want to see me any way.
@@nunyanunya4147 OMG LOL! :)
Theree was a great RPG on an Infocom RPG compilation big box I got back in the early 90's, called "Mines Of Titan". It used a similar GUI as the early Dragonlance RPGs, from the GoldBox era. But anyways, Mines Of Titan was pretty great ... simple EGA graphics, small graphics window, combat was done on a separate top down grid area. But it had great storyline, plenty of recruitable NPC's, loads of weapons and equipment, random encounters .... really enjoyed it. Never finished it though! But I got close to the end (managed to get outside onto the Martian surface, got annihilated by rampaging Martian nomads with lazer cannons).
Mines of Titan, great game. Remake of Mars Saga. Never finished it either but had a lot of fun playing.
@@OldAndNewVideoGames Wow I never knew it was a remake of something. Thanks! :D
There were some great games in that compilation, and some stinkers, like Deathtrack.
@@TheVanillatech Well, very often when we get things bundled together, some happen to be fillers. ;)
We were playing d&d, when one of us said: "I don't think it's safe to go any further!"
You must gather your party before venturing forth.
Not a single SSI game? They all but perfected the tabletop rpg experience.
Dungeonmaster? It started a whole sub genre.
Wasteland?
What can I say... MobyGames choices. My list will be out eventually, it will be different, though I cannot promise any titles in particular, and would't even wanna spoil it beforehand anyway. :)
Great picks. So many Ultima titles (well deserved). Too bad that Lord British' last game is an absolute failure.
Thanks, all I did however, is spoke about the games, and made the whole video. The picks are all you, DOS gamers using MobyGames website. :)
@@OldAndNewVideoGames I'm looking forward to your video with your personal picks.
@@LarixusSnydes It'll definitely come. Gotta finish with the MobyGames user's picks first though. And I've few more genres to cover. :)
Hero's Quest/Quest for Glory is just amazing, so glad its getting some love.
Great game and deserves it! Especially that the original was using parser, and I usually do not touch these with a five foot stick. And yet, I liked *it*. xD
I always love to see Legend Entertainment mentioned. Probably my favorite developer from the 90s.
Oh man, it would be so difficult for me to decide who was my favourite... xD
@@OldAndNewVideoGames Yeah, the 90s were stacked, but Legend games are the ones I find myself going back to the most.
@@SirCarcass :)
Daggerfall. I remember m family buying that for my sister at Christmas. couldn't play it...because of the sound card we had. Then a few years later on windows 2000 got it to run...then couldn't leave the dungeon 😂. Cool game though, but most certainly.as another youtuber calls em bugthesda. That game has great box art and an awesome manual. It's on my shelf right now.
Well, if there's one thing Bethesda is known for, it's the bugs. Difference is, that back in the day, we were very often ready to overlook them. Today, we're not. At least I'm not. And Starfield, even though I compelted it, was a letdown.
@@OldAndNewVideoGames I only wanted Starfield to release so they would be closer to releasing TES 6 lol. This isn't even starfield hate. I have never played it, and never felt like playing it. The last bugthesda game I could easily say that for is.... Fallout 76 lol. I still laugh at the people that thought it would be No-mans sky triple a funding version. not even Bethesda said anything like lol. Another example of why hype culture is trash.
@@Bowen_Landry I was really looking forward to it. I mean, it's not Fallout, so I wasn't like impatiently waiting for it, but I had high hopes. But after Fallout 4 & 76 I've no illusions about what 5 may end up being. That's why currently I am waiting for Fallout London which is the size of 4+Far Harbor and it drops for free in two months.
@@OldAndNewVideoGames Yeah, i just wasn't interested in it ,but I didn't expect what it was lol. Fallout 4 is a better game than most give it credit for. but certainly a step back for rpg gameplay for sure.still an rpg but far more emphasis on shooting. which most action rpgs are barely rpgs even now ;/. much better combat nicely designed creatures. my fave design of deathclaws ever, and how power armor should have always been. an actual tank.
But once you get into narrative choices...they certainly left it unfinished. I have low hopes for tes6 and falllout 5 ;/.
@@Bowen_Landry Oh yes, I had a lot of fun with F4. And have probably 4 or 5 copies of it. Some from giveaways, some from bundles, and two that I actually bought, one on PC, and one on XBox. Running around and shooting in atmospherically looking post-apo environments was definitely cool experience. But Fallout it was not. xD
I played ultima 1 back in 1982/1983 and thats what started my life long love of the genre......
It is the *best* genre! :)
Great stuff
Thanks! :D
Wizardry: Proving Grounds of the Mad Overlord is missing from the List. Why? This was a groundbreaking Game and defined the Dungeon Crawler Genre.
The answer is in the video's title screen and in the intro too. It's MobyGames users choices. So, user score, if that ties, then critics score, and if that ties or is unclear, then I would pick the winner. There were no ties and I had to pick nothing with this one. xD The second video in the series, covering Point'n'click adventure games, don't know if you've seen it yet, is also pretty one-subject heavy. Not one series of games though, but one dev. And the third, that's coming mid next week, and will cover racing is the first that's very varied and there will be no single best franchise/dev in it.
Liked and subscribed.
Thank you and thank you! :)
I feel Isles of Terra and World of Xeen is where the Might & Magic series peaked.
As fun as the later games were, they just didn't have the same draw.
The only gripe I had was the forever damned cypher puzzles that Caneghem had to stuff into every game.
I think I enjoyed VI the most. But that said, I moved to PC quite late, so it releasing a year or so later was the *new* thing. And I just got lost in it. And older titles while amazing looked less flashy, and back then "flashy" was important to me too. xD
World of Xeen will always be my favorite game. The soundtrack is incredible too (Soundblaster/OPL3 version).
@@housethegrate6093 Also, such a novel concept of combining two games into a single larger one, with some extra quests and locations that weren't present in either. It's unheard of!
I love World of Xeen and 6 equally but for different reasons and replay them every 4 years or so.
Umoria (Moria) was the Rogue predecessor, 1983... mostly known as Angband now.
Excellent point, thank you! :)
@@OldAndNewVideoGames I was addicted to it... reason for me to get a 286 at the time, and I became most proficient at a number pad...
@@pen7857 :)
If you haven't already, I recommend reading "Dungeons and Desktops: The History of Computer Role-Playing Games" by Matt Barton. It's a great read.
Thanks for the recommendation, sounds like a fun read.
TLDR: Fanboy of Ultima series tells you about all the Ultima games and forgets BARDS TALE and the Gold Box AD&D games. Ultima was hated by a vast number of CRPG gamers in the 80s and 90s.
Let me fix that for you. A MobyGames users choice made into a video covering a particular genre, one highest scored game per year, most active years of DOS. :)
Ultima V is the pinnacle of PC gaming for me. Took everything from Ultima IV which was good and added a great story and fully fleshed out world. It has features I wish games today had. I might put Star Control 2 in 1993 even though it released in November 1992...Can't boot out Black Gate, but it has to be on the list.
Star Control 2 was fantastic, and one of the first PC games I ever played. :)
Sad to see Pool of Radiance not on the list, since it was a breakout game to bring the D&D TTRPG to CRPG in a major way that had never been attempted before. Even though there were many follow ups based on the same engine, a lot still believe the original was still the best RPG in terms of player choice and story. Great video, btw!
I liked it a lot too. The choices were all of MobyGames users though, I am however looking for a way to somehow create a multi-tiered poll for all years with many games per each for my viewers to pick, so that I could at some point made a video of their choices. I just gotta find an online tool that would allow it. I'd need probably up to 10 picks per year and maybe 12-18 years. So, it's not a standard poll as you see them on this channel quite often. xD
Daggerfall is still the best of the Elder Scrolls games and I will fight anyone, Franko The Crazy Revenge-style, to prove it!
Then you are a man, I shall not angry, as your revenge would no doubt be crazy! ;)
Dragonflight from Thalion, 1990 is missing! ;)
:)
I think some of those release dates may be wrong. I know for sure Ultima 3 was released in 1983. It was my first RPG.
These old games used to have different release dates depending on the platform. And DOS was hardly ever first that they dropped on.
Richard Garriott created the games on Apple II up until Ultima 4 or 5.
@@ericjohnson6634 Yep, that is correct.
Come on 1988 was the first installment of the Fallout series. It was called Wasteland and it was in many ways a far better RPG than what Ultima was that year. Especially since it wasn't just a rehashing of the same thing with a couple modifications on the previous game.
I'm not disputing that. The video however, was all MobyGames users choices.
Fallout is my favorite series of all time. Played all four of them for hundreds of not thousands of hours. Great video.
Same, though which four? As there's more. xD
We have Fallout, Fallout 2, Fallout 3, Fallout New Vegas (the best one), Fallout 4, Fallout 76. Fallout Tactics, Fallout: Brotherhood of Steel. And that's just the official ones.
Fallout London comes out this April for free and it will be the size of Fallout 4 + Far Harbor. :)
@@OldAndNewVideoGames Touche...You have me there. 1-4 for sure, Vegas absolutely...76, Tactics, and BoS, not so much. I owned and played all of them but don't think of '76, Tactics and BoS as actual Fallout games. No shade just how I feel about the series. And yes, I have been following the development of London and Miami and hoping for a return to form with those fan made titles.
@@oodaloopc9725 Ha ha ha :) I hope that it didn't sound too smart-assy when I listed them. But as a fellow Fallout lover, I had to specify, which 4. ;)
And yeah, it's gonna be tough for me when both release, as I hardly have time to play games these days, and these two I *will* have to complete. :) I'm particularly interested in London as it drops first, and soon, and I lived in London for 8 years, some years ago.
@@OldAndNewVideoGames no not at all. Appreciated the responses. Keep up the good work
@@OldAndNewVideoGames Not sure my reply got posted, but not at all. I appreciate the interaction and the thoughtful reply. They are games that we love...not a deal breaker for me if you do or don't like one or the other. I enjoy hearing other perspectives of why the chase for the chip is important over whether or not to blow up megaton.
Great video! I have to throw Eye of the Beholder in the mix... no one can imitate D&D like... D&D
True :)
Did you play BG3? And if yes, what do you think of it? Or Pathfinder WOTR? I mean that one's Pathfinder so off-shoot of D&D 3.5... But soooo fun!
Not yet! Too busy at work to buy that game hahaha soon!@@OldAndNewVideoGames
@@sigouinfb BG3 had much more polish and funny moments, but depth wise, especially what you could craft all your character to be, WOTR is much much bigger. Both great games!
I'm playing jagged alliance 3 atm, I never thought the series as an RPG series... I feel it belongs in TBS genre or another subgenre under the strategy genre as opposed to role playing genre...
So am I actually. Playing that is. I did agree for the list to have mixed genre games though.
Not sure about JA3, but the first two are hybrid of CRPG and Strategy. Tabletop RPGs have their roots in war gaming, so it's a natural blend of genres I think.
@@matternicuss Third is pretty similar, but I haven't had a time to get deep into it. xD
Woa I had a game in the same engine as Dunjonquest. It was called Cave Quest. It looks like basically the same game.
These are all games in the series and made on the engine. Perhaps one of them was subtitled or had an alternative title "Cave Quest".
www.mobygames.com/group/4341/dunjonquest-series/
Ultima 6 was something special at the time for certain. Shadow of Yserbius paved the way for on-line MMO's, The Sierra Network was a wierd place
The Sierra network was indeed a weird place. But it was appropriate for the time of change when computing was evolving faster than ever before.
superhero… first time I hear about this game, I will see what is it. cool, one of the game I have never see before this vid, unlike other I already know. any way, whether Tod Howard said that starflight was one which starfield was inspired of?
Superhero is fantastic, you'll love it!
And Todd has been saying a lot of things, I stopped listening after he failed me three times in a row. With Fallout 4, Fallout 76 and then Starfield. I don't care for what he says anymore. If I see something worth playing, I'll get it, otherwise, I am disappointed with Bethesda, and don't see it changing any time soon.
@@OldAndNewVideoGames sorry, he told about SunDog. starflight comparison I read in some review. I spend ~ 100h in starfield and for 100h game isn't amazing but good, I found interesting moments. I didn't plan to play it regularly and spend more than 100h, so my expectations were quite modest. and I don't have interest to return to it, better spend time for other games, but it applies for all games I played. only several games I replayed regularly - KSP and SimCity 4
@@sandorium I've spent around 80-100h in Starfield too, but in all honesty last 20-30-ish were me trying to complete it asap as I was bored with all the side things it had on offer, and wanted to see the conclusion to the story. Which was terrible btw. And yeah, side quest were way better than in any recent Bethesda game, I'm not gonna dispute that, they were really good. But the whole fast-travelling and stupid main quest put me off of it. I never felt as if I was in space just teleporting between locations. And I've spend like 10-15 hours working on various ship designs that I then never really saw in game in any other way than parked somewhere. xD It's not a bad game, but it's not a good one either. I was hyped and since I got it for FREE with GamePass, all I paid for was an upgrade to a higher tier and 7-day early play start. I enjoyed the side stuff a lot, and for it alone it was worth the time. Not coming back to it though same way I would to Fallouts or Skyrim. Even though space is my second favorite setting for games after post-apo. xD
The Bard's Tale (1985), Star Control II (1992)
Excellent choices! World picked something else though. I am considering running a poll, one for each year, to check what my viewers would pick, and then making video out of that, but I wanna finish the MobyGames users picks series first.
@@OldAndNewVideoGames
Yeah, this topic and related polling gets pretty interesting when considering various factors. And running your own pole would provide its own context results. Especially if you also factored in things like age, etc.
I wonder what percent of the players voting were actually playing in those years, playing on DOS, etc. Versus how many are newer players, maybe played the game on a non-DOS, or maybe never even played the game at all (and are voting off of popular opinion). Sometimes a license becomes popular and skews results.
I played The Bards Tale on Amiga, but I watched friends play it on other platforms. I played Star Control II on PC, but I largely played the non-RPG "head-to-head" mode. So my own answers are meh.
From the poll results, I did play Rogue, Ultima V, and Might & Magic III. I played them all on Amiga. I did play Rogue on PC as well, and the Amiga Ultima V I believe was a straight port from the PC.
@@kittensmakingcandles Yep, making a list of games in a genre is never easy. However you wanna look at it. There's just no pleasing everyone. And when I make my own, and I will eventually, it will be even more polarising. Cause my faves, were not always what most liked. Well, it will be interesting at least because of it. That said, one of my viewers Kyle, gave me an idea. When I will make my own, I'll replace "DOS" with "PC" in the name of it, giving me more years to work with, wider selection of games and also result in a bit bigger video. Cause those last few years in DOS releases often tend to be disappointing, while in the same time, by then, Windows had amazing games, that could have been very easily added to the list if the platform was included.
I think you need PC Booter for the early years. If you owned a PC in the 1980's, the question wasn't "does it run on DOS"? But "Does it run on this machine?" These games were very low level. Most of the time the home user booted DOS off a floppy, and if you were a geek like me you could occasionally even run some non MS/PC-DOS.
If you choose to ask "What's the Best IBM Compatible PC RPG each year by Mobyscore?" there are two changes
1982 - Dunzhin
1984 - Wizardry
The second one is probably the most important. Neither Rogue nor Wizardry are native to the PC or 1984. The first game I can say
Dunzin is interesting because, if we believe the listing, it was not released years later on the PC like most of the other RPGs.
Otherwise:
I've always been iffy on "So you want to call a game Hero's Quest?" as an RPG. It's a sprinkling of RPG pasted onto a standard AGI game. That's not bad, but I don't know that the thin RPG elements are the attractions. It's honestly more like Maniac Mansion where character choice changes the adventure than an RPG.
Superhero League of Hoboken: 1994, Weird year. The beginning of the end for now. Ultima VIII's failure casts a long shadow. A strong argument is made for Arena, although that's still a protogame (as was Daggerfall). Realms of Arkania: Star Trail is legit, and the 4(?) SSI D&D games are generally OK. Hoboken is an odd one but it's probably the most original without wasting energy on 3D tech.
Is Jagged Alliance an RPG or a strategy game? Whatever, it's great.
In 1996 you would need to start adding Windows to understand PC gaming. The problem is that diablo crushes on the list this year, and I don't think it belongs with the RPGs. We didn't see it as an RPG. Nowadays we see RPG elements and say "RPG".
So Daggerfall wins 1996, but Meridian 59 is worthy of conversation since it was pretty important to MMO development. Daggerfall is a real mess of a game in some ways. So much of the game has been randomly generated it's practically a Rogue-like. The harsh experience with the game was walking into some fancy dungeon layout I discovered and feeling like I had found a secret. But then I realized that the layout made absolutely now sense, and it felt like I had found nothing.
1997 is fine. Fallout is the game that saved the PC RPG. Sort of. Once it led to Baldur's Gate, at least.
Hey, and welcome back! :)
Before I started I pondered about few changes to how I'd call or classify even the lists of games, and ended up on just calling it DOS, and going by that filter in particular. All to make it easier to understand and get into. There'll be few more of these videos in the series, the next one will be about point'n'click adventure games, but I aim to make my own personal favourite lists for the years and genres too eventually. It'll be a little while though, cause as much as it's easy to follow a list, especially one voted by the literal World, having to decide on just one game in the genre for each year, at least in some cases may be very difficult. For me, as I liked a lot of games. I'm sure you understand.
I consider Hero's Quest and Jagged Alliance first signs of the change to come. Initially, back in the day, all games just fell into their respective buckets, each with appropriate, nice and shiny and easy to grasp label. So, RPGs, strategies, platformers, etc. But then things began changing. Suddenly a game could have one or two defining characteristics of another genre. Then maybe three or four, and then even more. Eventually we landed here, in 2024, when in many cases it's very difficult to assign a particular genre to many of the titles released as they're amalgamation of different ones. In different proportions too. And these two I mentioned initially, I think, may have been the signs of the change to come.
Also, I will not mix Windows into this series. I may make a similar one in the future for Windows too. 1993 to 2000-something is a pretty big chunk of history to cover after all. xD
@@OldAndNewVideoGames I'm never gone, I just may not have enough time to say hi.
Petty disagreements aside, I always appreciate the work.
I'm really not sure what to think of Hero's Quest to Get Sued Into a Name Change. Is it the future, or more of a direction not taken? It's not so simple. There's an argument both ways.
@@kyleolson8977 I agree. But out of all the things that are happening in the World of gaming, and what's behind the curtains and all the abuse aside, if I had to pick between genre mixing, micro transactions, loot boxes, and the likes, the choice would not be tough. Still, it's an oversimplification once more, so... ;)
Some great games there! To bad Richard Garroit can't make anything worth a dang anymore.
Yep. But you never know. We live in the age or sequels, prequels and remakes after all. :)
u forgot 3 essential dos rpgs:
first to mention the 1988 wasteland, the original, grandfather of well the wasteland series and a big influence for fallout. one of the best rpgs ever made. urabutln ;)
then the whole wizardry series. wizardry vii was a big thing back in the days.
and last but not least the 2 ultima underworlds from the early 90s. if i remember correct one of the first "3d" rpgs. way more simple than the original ultima series but still amazing
Well, as Master Yoda famously once said (or should say):
Forgot or did not forget. There was no choice.
Which basically means, that it's a MobyGames users list, games picked by their scores, and I only made a video talking about them. I do intend to make my own list eventually, and it'll be a bit different, but choices for this one, were not my own. :)
@@OldAndNewVideoGames
a bald little guy this moby is ;)
Fallout is still of today one of the greatest RPG ever made
I agree! Also my beloved series, all of them, 1, 2, 3 and NV. :P
As an enthusiast of Dos role playing games (and not just that) from the early 90s, I can but approve these standings. Ultima 6, Ultima 7 (I & II) and Daggerfall are, in my experience, the absolute masterpieces. One game, alas, is regretfully missing: Darklands... I would have put it instead of Lands of Lore, which in my estimation now looks quite overrated. Cheers!
Oh, Darklands was really fun and very unique at that! Not only in terms of the setting, enemies, and the gameplay, but also mechanics. Though, it was MobyGames choices and I can't really take the credit for what was picked and what wasn't. :)
@@OldAndNewVideoGames Ah, I see. Well, glad to read that Darkland's unique spirit and great quality is acknowledged by other Rpg fanciers!
@@omicroneridani7456 I found it on some kind of a compilation CD, that I can't even tell you how I got my hands on, cause I don't remember, but it was definitely 1998-ish, quite late given the age of the game. Still had a lot of fun with it.
Ain’t nothing wrong with parser (when done right). Still play games (even modern ones) with that interface. Slouching towards Bedlam, Thaumistry, Stories Untold (ok, the parser there is quite horrible, but the game overall is beyond brilliant).
Oh, I am not claiming that they're terrible. They're terrible for me, and I don't like them. :)
6:53 you could just save scum and copy the save files into the desktop
I wont say that I don't do it, cause that would be a lie. But, I did found a new appreciation for going through games without it, and it was after playing XCom with named characters for a while. Where I formed a bond, a virtual perhaps but one nonetheless, with some of them going with me through very difficult times. And while it was devastating to see some of them die mid-campaign, it also made the whole experience more rewarding. We were playing XCom then with a group of friends, with named characters as a single team for a little over two years I think. Great times, even greater fun!
I did IT only after dying too mamy times on the easy levels. I had too much of good equipment to just lose it. It didn't help that much, because the gamę rolled a very hard dungeon where I kept dying anyway.
@@AntipaladinPedigri Like I said, not against it, and I do it too. Especially if I play a game that "just" came out. They often have game breaking bugs so I make sure to have a lot of saves running and save often. :)
@@OldAndNewVideoGames usually save scumming refers to rogulikes and "you can Die in it" adventure games. Not sure why anyone would hołd it against you if you copied saved from games that can format your hard driver on a whim.
@@AntipaladinPedigri Whether they could or couldn't, I wouldn't care much. For me it's same as with drinks. When someone tells me "you can't drink it like that, it should never be mixed and only drunk with ice", I've not that many Fs to give. It's 21st Century and I do it the way I like it or feel comfortable, and noone's gonna tell me how to go about it, because for years it's been done one way or another. Same with gaming. :) I'm just saying that XCom taught me to appreciate dying in games. There are some titles I absolutely do scum in. :)
Star Trail and Shadows Over Riva would like a word with you.
You mean a word with MobyGames? ;)
Jagged Alliance isn't an rpg, really. More tactical strategy game. You dont even create characters in it.
Mixed genre. That said there are tons of RPGs in which you don't create characters at all. You don't really have to look any further than any of the Witcher games.
@@OldAndNewVideoGames No dialogue option or moral choices either. You have names and skills. That's it. Same as in Fifa, really.
Playing JA rn with the new patch which adds armour to the enemies, pretty modern game, pixel art and stuff.
JA and JADG were the bomb! I loved them!
@@OldAndNewVideoGames DG is the best tactical game i ever played. Modified multiplayer campaign, lanparties, food and weed. Best memories.
@@williamblake7386 For real. They don't happen as often these days with the Internet, do they?
Best? Betrayal at Krondor. Best o the Bests? SWOS Career Mode. Cheers
LOL :)
@@OldAndNewVideoGames Well, that's my theory. I'm pretty much sure that was RPG title. Once wrote article about it.
@@mourdebars Really? I'd read that. Gotta link?
@@OldAndNewVideoGames The stats, the level of immersions and interactions, constantly changing environment and skills, death and resurrections; you could play your best or dice, so forth and so on. You might choose who you wanna be, and where to start your quest.
@@mourdebars So, in a way, life and all about it is an RPG too. xD
decided to play through ultima 6,7p1,7p2 and 8 as I never finished any of them without cheating as a teen (didn't have stable early years). Already have got further in ultima 6 than I did in the 90's thanks to the internet. Gotten used to how bad ultima 6 graphics are now so when i get to the next games it will be just like it was for me back in the 90's again, lol
Oh my, you're in for a hell of a ride! :)
no dnd goldbox games? madness
I know! ;)
16:41 the floor is lava: extreme edition
Everything is lava. xD
@@OldAndNewVideoGames I have the high ground, Anakin
@@AntipaladinPedigri Adventure, Excitement... A Jedi craves not these things. xD
You should've started with 1980.
Wizardry is a good game.
I probably should've.
that's the stuffffffff
:)
ULTIMA UNDERWORLD !!!!❤❤❤❤❤
MobyGames users didn't vote for it.
Ultima is my favorite series. Its a shame EA destroyed the franchise.
We had Starflight on our Mac S/E that was the first computer.
That's what EA does. They take the franchise, milk it till it's crusty dry, and then they move on leaving just a shell of a game behind that noone cares about. So naturally, being the kind souls that they are, they put it out of its misery. EA.
You can blame EA if you want but what actually killed Ultima, in my opinion, was Ultima Online. It sapped the manpower and focus of Origin and made them neglect Ultima 9 for far too long...that, and by the mid 90's Gariott's ideas were no longer so unique. Shroud of the Avatar is a giant mess and EA has nothing to do with it.
@@Fastwinstondoom Interesting point, valid arguments. Thanks for sharing, I'll have to think about it, as Ultima Online indeed did a lot. Good and bad, and its wider influence may have caused many changes.
@@Fastwinstondoom The success of UO was part of the problem, but it was equal parts EA. The saga of U9's development hell has equal blame for both Origin staff and EA. The fact is, EA didn't want them to do an ultima 9, as they saw no money in it (They were, and largely still are a company that only cares if they can make all the money. Yes, development was dragging on U9, partly due to the change of the engine, and EA gave them a "Ship by or canceled" date.
Gariott has gone off the deep end of crappy game mechanics, MTX, and forced multiplayer, and i can't figure out why.
Beyond that, the franchise is still dead because EA doesn't care about it or other franchises: WIng Commander, Dungeon Keeper, Lands of Lore, Command & Conquer (i'm amazed we got the remaster of the first games). Many devs have tried to get them to licenses Ultima for remakes/remasters, including Gariott, and EA refuses. Hell, if they wanted a series that could compete with Elder Scrolls they have it. it just needs a modern coat of paint and good story and they could reboot Ultima for the modern age. But since it won't make all the money, it won't happen.
Everyone's opinion would be different, but no Wizardry 7 kills the list for me lol
Fair enough.
Favorite genre, favorite narrator
Thank you! :) The next one in the series will be adventure games. And should be out end of this week cause I have one more video to drop before it.
No Crusaders of the Dark Savant?
MobyGames users choices, that said Wizardry was amazing and if I ever make my own list, which would probably be something more like "My favourite XX DOS RPGs" then there are chances for more varied list of games to appear on it. If I do it by the year, it will be difficult. We'll see...
@@OldAndNewVideoGames that explains the list. I missed the origin of the list. Crusaders was seminal. A pillar of the genre. But as with anyone's lisst that's from my personal experience. Gotta spend fifteen hours on character creation to get the perfect fairy ninjas! 😛
@@indecisiverift In most RPGs, if done well, character creator is a huge part of fun. :)
Nice
Thanks! :D
I was little worried cause it's very single dev heavy, but there's not much that I can do about the choices gamers all around the World made. :)
@@OldAndNewVideoGames I would hope no one would hold that against you but alas, the internet is still the internet lol. It’s still amazing what they managed to put together back then, especially a game like starflight. Good work as always!
@@TheGregoryodd Thanks! :) And quite fortunately I have a very specific kind of viewers, and most of all seek these videos (mine or from others) to have fun, and not to put others down. There are outliers, it's only natural, but I honestly get very few of them.
The only games that matters here are Ultima
You're probably the first person who didn't consider the list to be over-saturated with them. :) Still, MobyGames users choices, so it is what it is. :)
@@OldAndNewVideoGamesstill better than call of duty saturation 🤪
@@machoman6969 Oh, way way way better! :D
Wizardry?
Ultima Underworld?
The problem about an aggregate score is you get the best selling games by virtue of the fact that people only know about those games and probably only decide to rate them based on predisposed opinions or simply familiarity. So there weren't any games here that I didn't already know about. I found the list a bit boring.
Love your username.
@@OldAndNewVideoGames There are so many interesting and unique DOS rpg's. Have you checked out Cryo Interactive? Core Design made an adventure game called Heimdall. I don't know much about it though.
@@iwanttocomplain I'm sure I've covered Heimdall's, both of them in "10 Years of DOS Gaming" series, and definitely in the same series for Amiga. And I will eventually make my own list, and maybe even one with my viewers choices.
@@OldAndNewVideoGames man rpg's on dos I don't really know much about. I had a pc during that time and I don't recall ever playing an rpg. Stupid Dragon Lore just pictures on 2 CD's and it got a scratch and I couldn't progress. But Cryo are unfairly critiqued and laughed at when they were extremely innovative and creative.
The most obscure one I can think of is Morag's Dungeon EGA only game. But high res. I think it was a bit shit.
Fallout the best !
Yep :) 100% agree with you.
+1
Thank you! :) Next one will be out soon, different genre though.
Rogue.
Yep.
No wizardry? really?
Sorry :/
How the hell does Dunjon have a better score by such are large difference compared to Wizards Castle??? Are people reviewing this stuff just illiterate?
I'll have my video with my picks done at some point, it'll be a bit different. :)
No wasteland?
Bad list
Not my list. Not saying I would've picked it, not saying I wouldn't have either. Just that these were the World's choices. xD
Ultima inventory... complete cancer
:)
Ultima bias much?
Perhaps. But what can you do, the World has chosen its games. ;)
Well... I grew up playing those games. At the time, I considered those to be the best RPGs of their time as well. It's not like today where you see many RPGs being created throughout the year... there were very few really good RPGs at the time, and Ultima was really top of the line for it's time... even if a big part of that reason was because there wasn't much else in the genre to choose from.
I'll be honest, Might and Magic: World of Xeen (which was actually two games combined... M&M4: Clouds of Xeen in 1992 and M&M5: Darkside of Xeen in 1993) was one of my all-time favorite RPGS. It was also one of the first games I've ever seen that allowed you to add to an existing game by installing the next game in the series... combining them into one much bigger game with quests that spanned both games. While I thought that idea was phenomenal for its time, the game itself was really almost identical to M&M3: Isles of Terra... which is already in this video for 1991. Ultima VII was so vastly different from Ultima VI, that I have to admit that it is more deserving for being in the 1992 slot in this video.
@@Syragar World of Xeen was something else, I agree. One of those titles that shaped the gaming scene, and genre for years to come. Definitely worth "a" spot, and good that at least half of it all is here. But the World has chosen and I just followed. My list will be out eventually at some point in the future, though I wouldn't count on it being here in a at least a month, maybe two. Too many other videos first I've got to make, that are maybe not pre-planned, but I've mentally prepared myself for them to be out at some point. I know weird, but that's how my brain works. I don't argue with it, it never ends well. ;)
how about Megatraveller, TES: Arena and DreamWeb, you pity ultima fan?
MobyGames users picks, one per year, highest user score. I had not much to do with the choices, I'm afraid. :)