Thank you James. I am subscribed now. Awesome tutorial. I think not pumping up the ramp and only turning 90 degrees in the air will help Panther get his backside air to land. He seems to pump up and get too high and then rotate his body too much so his board ends up behind him, causing him to bail. At least he's perfected the knee slide in all of this.
this was such a great walkthrough on the trick! really appreciate you guys taking the time to put this out there to everyone. Been really wanting to get these its just the landing that really stops me every time. I will not give up!
Thanks for the great tips man! Been able to pop bs 180 a feet or two above coping on the not quite verts ramp and I really want to learn the bonking technique and bring it to the big bowl! You've given some tips I would not have thought to do like the no pumping up the ramp and the exhaling before the air. Can't wait to try this next sesh!
It's interesting, I've been coaching Parkour for many years and always talk about breath but when I got back into skating I forgot about that and I'm glad you brought it up because it's really been helping me improve. Just before I drop in, I do the same breath as when I'm about to do a jump in Parkour or when I'm sparring in martial arts. Sometimes I feel like riding a bowl is almost like grappling, you're in for the ride but trying to flow and do your techniques WITH instead of against the board and ramp. I don't know if that makes sense but the common thread is breathing.
is there any difference for melon, whenever I try nosegrab my feet don't stay on the board, ill film some today to see where I'm at more air tips would be appreciated, so hard to find actual instructionals for airs/vert ramp stuff besides like dropping in
Yeah good stuff,breathing is a help full thing because mainly u get nervous most of us are holding our breath until we learn to relax and u learn to relax by proper breath technique,the Olympic athletes do it before the event along with visualization,u don't have to get super crazy with yoga but from years of using exercise equipment for strength training u exhale when u push the weight away and relax open your mouth and the inhale just happens naturally because ur lungs pull air in as they contract,it should be easy not think about it its less distraction,and let's u focus its physical skating,good point u really just let the turn that u make kinda flow and slow it to the direction your going if your going down the pipe u wouldn't be doing a full 180 plus like he said u do a 90 I say that's a pretty good way to not over rotate,I find myself because I'm in the air making the turn is easier no resistance,I say that's a pretty good estimate a 90degree forced turn and then just let the fall and the rest of the turn go down the ramp with the skateaway,one thing look ahead of where u is to where u want to go,when I'm in the air spot my landing and then look to the flat and up the other wall,this helps your balance,good Perephrial vision helps like feelers to help u know where u are.real good teaching,and nice backside air beautiful,picture perfect.now if I could just get a new hip,I could gets some pop back in my front leg,my front side kicks and back sides kicks are still good,but its still fun.THANKS brah for learning the masses and spreading the vert gospel...get radical man.circa 1977....
Oh darn, did they get rid of the bowl? That thing was great. That vert ramp look forgiving though (like the bowl was). I've wanted that trick forever but I've never had a comfortable ramp to try it on. There was the slick as ice skatelite 13 footer and the steel that slices shoelaces at the seams 12' with 9.5' transitions ramp... I know it's weak to blame the spot. Also I've got vintage Rectors which aren't helping.
Yeah I ain't touching the lighter thing...your on your own...I was just out today blasting some front side kick turns in the six foot shallow end of the ten foot bowl,and I real had to force my self to slow my kick turns down because I skate so fast, and its really the same for your air u just take a second and get you body square to the board in this case backside get in the set up position like he saying get straight then your rotation has a starting point u can feel,but its true the turn goes pretty easy,I prefer front side get your kicks dial and then follow this step by step.little pop on your kick turn,I seen guy do a silly bunny hop air but if that comes your nerves to start,I really think the bonk thing is a little more of an advanced technique but u really need to be weight sensitive on loading the board,that's some thing I learned on a one and half foot of vert on concrete if you don't push on your feet on your board you'll slide down the wall,timing it is easy and you actually gain height on the wall,thanks man,nice clean explanation,very nice.yeah bounce it off me again I thinks I gots it dis time....ooh ooh.just kidding got out on the new board to day,with the 60mm wheels and felt good,the old hips was pretty cooperative with front side kicks,oddly it was more stable with the backside kicks last time out,so WTF,day by day...thanks have its supposed to be fun,bull Durham,piece out.
My issue is the only thing around me with coping to bonk off of is a pool in an abandoned house. 5 feet of transition, 4 feet of vert, but immediately into the waterfall so it’s way too quick. Maybe I’ll grow a pair and head to burnside and try there
Do how to pump around a figure 8 bowl. Or choosing lines. My front side grinds I usually make them but everytime while I'm doing them I dont know if its going to slide out or make.
Jonathan Mortimer it sounds like you are pumping to early going up, try this. Just like the b/s air. Go fast without a pump up the wall. Grind. Then pump down hard. Repeat. Hope that helps
Damn I was hoping you had more videos breaking down stuff the way you did here. Watching this was like looking in a mirror man. Thinking on the same level
* Omar Hassan has the golden standard for bowl intro videos no doubt. But if you could translate your legitimacy unto a bowl intro video it should knock the silly ones off the map..
I love the detail! My dream is to one day b's / FS air over the coping ( not early grab ) . I have a question - what age did you start Skating? I'm 35 now and fear that things are getting away from me. At what age did you start Skating vert? Also at what age did.early grabs all of a sudden become late grabs or were there never earlys...always lates?
Great questions. I never rode transition till i was 27. That is when I bought knee pads and got interested in bowl and vert. I started skating when I was 10 but really 14 is when i started hitting parks. I never early grabbed. I learned Ollie's over hips then just that turned into grab airs. I learned invert before bs air as well
could you do a trick tips on how to drop in on vert because I want to face my fear with that, I have dropped in before on vert but I want to learn to do it consistently to overcome fear
I don't know if you did it but this could help : medium.com/@CadentALatere/30s-10-how-to-drop-a-10-feet-ramp-when-youre-not-a-teenager-anymore-baa5eab058bb
Does this work for mini ramp too? Every time I try it I am up in the air but my board has gone flying off and nowhere near my feet! Great tutorial, though! I guess I just need to practice.
This will work on a steeper 6ft mini ramp but not recommended for mellow small ramps. If that's all you have you can practice this technique to disaster.
@@trogarmy The bowl I skate is pretty much 6 foot at the place I am trying to air from. I can air out the top if I grab before but never managed, and always wanted, to grab as airing. I will get it. Just needs to click. Just frustrated I can't do it yet. Practice I guess. Thanks for replying!
Just an interesting fact that u learn from a book on mental techniques of Olympic atheletes,I alway would have love to do Giant slalom,and down hill skiing in the Olympics because that was the way I ski naturally banzai the hill just get to the bottom as fast as u can.I started when I was 3 ....
Man I just wanna fly. All the vert in my town are crusty death bowls. Pads are so expensive, I just bought a huge ass board with rails, I want some knee pads and definitely a helmet. These bowls are too gnarly, I want to skate a wooden vert ramp so bad!!
STILLUMINATI try doing the bonk makes it very easy once you dialit in. When you ollie you rend to pull out to the flatbottom. Hope that helps and tag me when you put one down! Ram it Down
How advanced does your skating ability need to be in order to star trying airs? From the outside it seems like only pros or expert skaters can really try this without risking too much...
Great question. You definitely want your legs conditioned for the force of coming in. With that said in California I have seen many kids who can blast but not axel stall. If you have mastered pumping, dropping in and fly out to deck. I think you will have a good chance to start your battle
@@trogarmy Thanks btw.. I ended up picking one up and loved the shape but it started delaminating when it was just about used up. Last time I will buy a deck not made in USA :)
been there, done that. if you hit a good clean bonk you should feel that you are in the ramp enough to land or bail. If you let go early and try to put down the landing gear down early your percentage to hang up goes up. Another thing to remember is that every trick comes with a slam. not just a fall but a good hard slam. sounds like you got yours over with. with hang ups you learn a lot, what not to do. I wouldnt fear the slam/hang up again. with taking one already the chances it will happen again are unlikely anytime soon. remember your bail out pattern and the feeling of landing those first four. great job and i hope this answers your question. where can i see a video of the land???
Your not too old at all. You know the feeling of scooping up kickturn on a vert wall. Your body sort of compacts. Your arms are down. It's very much that feeling. Sounds like you just got to say F it. And ride away. Send me an attempt on Instagram @trogarmy you got it. Ram it down!
If you can find a vert wall with a set forward extension that is a great place to learn late grabs also hips that are high to low are great too. Keep chasing the dream
@@trogarmy Btw, this is the first real trick I’m going to try inter bowl. I know how to drop in on pretty much anything and I’m really good at pumping the bowl and carving. Do you think I will be able to get air?
Update: I didn’t get high enough past the coping. I don’t know what happened but it kept happening. I had enough speed and when I carve I can get up there but when I went straight on I didn’t make it up and I would shoot up but my board would shoot down.
in my head there is a imaginary line that your cross when you start going real fast and airing things out. It's what's makes me wanna "git gud" lol. skating fdr and watching full grown men go full fuckin speed haha I hate most skateboarding cause it's so childish and corny also v nice video. n maybe we will get a tuck knee how to? Haha
First person I've ever seen explaining REALLY cool how to do that trick
I've been practicing the breathing technique you mentioned in this for any trick I try. Best tip ever. Makes all the difference.
Most detailed video on the backside air!
this needs more views
ive been trying backside airs for a decent amount of time now, your advice makes me believe that I can actually do it
How is it coming along?
@trogarmy I'm so close but I can't keep my back foot on. Any tips???
Thank you James. I am subscribed now. Awesome tutorial. I think not pumping up the ramp and only turning 90 degrees in the air will help Panther get his backside air to land. He seems to pump up and get too high and then rotate his body too much so his board ends up behind him, causing him to bail. At least he's perfected the knee slide in all of this.
RADICAL MAN! AWESOME! many thanks for the tutorial!
That was smooth.... great advice and in depth. Love you too bro.
Respect
This is excellent. The bonking off the coping seems to be the key to a proper air. I never knew that and always used to early grab. Great stuff.
We called them girly grabs when i was a kid haha, until one day when a girl showed up and was doing better fly outs than the rest of us!
This dude deserves more subs.
this was such a great walkthrough on the trick! really appreciate you guys taking the time to put this out there to everyone. Been really wanting to get these its just the landing that really stops me every time. I will not give up!
The knee slide will ease the fear
One of the best videos explaining the bonk !
My how to frontside air covers it too at the end! Thanks thrasher!
Very good explantation man , more vids like this plz
Thanks for the great tips man! Been able to pop bs 180 a feet or two above coping on the not quite verts ramp and I really want to learn the bonking technique and bring it to the big bowl!
You've given some tips I would not have thought to do like the no pumping up the ramp and the exhaling before the air. Can't wait to try this next sesh!
i'm french but understand, sick explanation !! Thank you very much
Good stuff bro. one of the best step by steps I've seen. Maintain brother
Dude your absolutely spot on
Thanks a lot for these tips !
He teaches skate camps and lessons at 3rd lair, that's why he's so rad at explaining this
Just found this your channel. My new favorite subbed 🤙
It's interesting, I've been coaching Parkour for many years and always talk about breath but when I got back into skating I forgot about that and I'm glad you brought it up because it's really been helping me improve. Just before I drop in, I do the same breath as when I'm about to do a jump in Parkour or when I'm sparring in martial arts. Sometimes I feel like riding a bowl is almost like grappling, you're in for the ride but trying to flow and do your techniques WITH instead of against the board and ramp. I don't know if that makes sense but the common thread is breathing.
The one single most important technique. if you are not breathing you are.....
Nice lesson! BS has eluded my for 30 years. I’ll try your take on them
Have you landed one yet
Awesome video
Sick video bro I landed my first back side air 2 days after I watched this video thanks so much you need subscribers bc you're video is good as
Thats what i love to hear, ram it down! Great job
Going to try your tips. I haven't been comfortable at all doing this. +1 sub! Going to check out your other videos for sure.
sick gonna give them a go today
Holy crap its actually Valentine's day and I randomly found this lol
Algorithms.
Same
So good bro. Gonna take this to the 6’ in Banning CA this week 🙏
Send clip on insta
is there any difference for melon, whenever I try nosegrab my feet don't stay on the board, ill film some today to see where I'm at more air tips would be appreciated, so hard to find actual instructionals for airs/vert ramp stuff besides like dropping in
great step by step.. Got a sub... Yep the swing set...lol Neal Blender
Hells yes, thank you!
Did you make one?
Yeah good stuff,breathing is a help full thing because mainly u get nervous most of us are holding our breath until we learn to relax and u learn to relax by proper breath technique,the Olympic athletes do it before the event along with visualization,u don't have to get super crazy with yoga but from years of using exercise equipment for strength training u exhale when u push the weight away and relax open your mouth and the inhale just happens naturally because ur lungs pull air in as they contract,it should be easy not think about it its less distraction,and let's u focus its physical skating,good point u really just let the turn that u make kinda flow and slow it to the direction your going if your going down the pipe u wouldn't be doing a full 180 plus like he said u do a 90 I say that's a pretty good way to not over rotate,I find myself because I'm in the air making the turn is easier no resistance,I say that's a pretty good estimate a 90degree forced turn and then just let the fall and the rest of the turn go down the ramp with the skateaway,one thing look ahead of where u is to where u want to go,when I'm in the air spot my landing and then look to the flat and up the other wall,this helps your balance,good Perephrial vision helps like feelers to help u know where u are.real good teaching,and nice backside air beautiful,picture perfect.now if I could just get a new hip,I could gets some pop back in my front leg,my front side kicks and back sides kicks are still good,but its still fun.THANKS brah for learning the masses and spreading the vert gospel...get radical man.circa 1977....
thanks for this it is going to be helpful
Cool!
Excellent explanation although I would love to see a few more airs describing your sensations and what could go right or wrong.
Great fucking video. Also "on the exhale" ....best thing I've heard
Do you have any video parts out?! Your skating is dope!! Super fluid
No just cameos in local Minnesota videos
nice job ! subbed your channel
More trick tips !!!!! 😈❤️
It's scary.... But it's totally doable... Probably easier than an axle stall 🤩🤩 inspirational dude !
Once you do both, you will agree. Now I said axel stall not 50/50 Grind just so we are on the same page!
Oh darn, did they get rid of the bowl? That thing was great. That vert ramp look forgiving though (like the bowl was). I've wanted that trick forever but I've never had a comfortable ramp to try it on. There was the slick as ice skatelite 13 footer and the steel that slices shoelaces at the seams 12' with 9.5' transitions ramp...
I know it's weak to blame the spot. Also I've got vintage Rectors which aren't helping.
WillieD7 we still have the bowl!!
thank you my goodness
I was tryin to learn bs airs today. Bouta get this shit tomorrow hahah im too used to early grabs 😂
Yeah I ain't touching the lighter thing...your on your own...I was just out today blasting some front side kick turns in the six foot shallow end of the ten foot bowl,and I real had to force my self to slow my kick turns down because I skate so fast, and its really the same for your air u just take a second and get you body square to the board in this case backside get in the set up position like he saying get straight then your rotation has a starting point u can feel,but its true the turn goes pretty easy,I prefer front side get your kicks dial and then follow this step by step.little pop on your kick turn,I seen guy do a silly bunny hop air but if that comes your nerves to start,I really think the bonk thing is a little more of an advanced technique but u really need to be weight sensitive on loading the board,that's some thing I learned on a one and half foot of vert on concrete if you don't push on your feet on your board you'll slide down the wall,timing it is easy and you actually gain height on the wall,thanks man,nice clean explanation,very nice.yeah bounce it off me again I thinks I gots it dis time....ooh ooh.just kidding got out on the new board to day,with the 60mm wheels and felt good,the old hips was pretty cooperative with front side kicks,oddly it was more stable with the backside kicks last time out,so WTF,day by day...thanks have its supposed to be fun,bull Durham,piece out.
do these instructions apply for pools? i dont have a vert ramp in my area, just pools which is great tbh
Yes sir! Pool bonk is an earlier scoop fyi
My issue is the only thing around me with coping to bonk off of is a pool in an abandoned house. 5 feet of transition, 4 feet of vert, but immediately into the waterfall so it’s way too quick. Maybe I’ll grow a pair and head to burnside and try there
Do how to pump around a figure 8 bowl. Or choosing lines. My front side grinds I usually make them but everytime while I'm doing them I dont know if its going to slide out or make.
Jonathan Mortimer it sounds like you are pumping to early going up, try this. Just like the b/s air. Go fast without a pump up the wall. Grind. Then pump down hard. Repeat. Hope that helps
trog army , you right, i feel a really good control on every trick when i dont pump up the wall
Damn I was hoping you had more videos breaking down stuff the way you did here. Watching this was like looking in a mirror man. Thinking on the same level
This winter I plan on doing more and better edits. Thank you
@@trogarmy Nice, do you ride sub 5' bowls? Bowl flow breakdown and intro to early grab videos would be something
* Omar Hassan has the golden standard for bowl intro videos no doubt. But if you could translate your legitimacy unto a bowl intro video it should knock the silly ones off the map..
Is this possible on a 4 foot miniramp with steep transition
Nicelly done my brotha from anatha motha!
8:55 you're welcome. Great video 👍
I love the detail! My dream is to one day b's / FS air over the coping ( not early grab ) . I have a question - what age did you start Skating? I'm 35 now and fear that things are getting away from me. At what age did you start Skating vert? Also at what age did.early grabs all of a sudden become late grabs or were there never earlys...always lates?
Great questions. I never rode transition till i was 27. That is when I bought knee pads and got interested in bowl and vert. I started skating when I was 10 but really 14 is when i started hitting parks. I never early grabbed. I learned Ollie's over hips then just that turned into grab airs. I learned invert before bs air as well
U still sksting?
could you do a trick tips on how to drop in on vert because I want to face my fear with that, I have dropped in before on vert but I want to learn to do it consistently to overcome fear
im on it dude!
I don't know if you did it but this could help : medium.com/@CadentALatere/30s-10-how-to-drop-a-10-feet-ramp-when-youre-not-a-teenager-anymore-baa5eab058bb
Third layer 🤟
Could you help me with my lien air and lien to tail plase?
Does this work for mini ramp too?
Every time I try it I am up in the air but my board has gone flying off and nowhere near my feet!
Great tutorial, though!
I guess I just need to practice.
This will work on a steeper 6ft mini ramp but not recommended for mellow small ramps. If that's all you have you can practice this technique to disaster.
@@trogarmy The bowl I skate is pretty much 6 foot at the place I am trying to air from. I can air out the top if I grab before but never managed, and always wanted, to grab as airing. I will get it. Just needs to click. Just frustrated I can't do it yet. Practice I guess.
Thanks for replying!
@@leemidwinter1379 try finding a comfortable hip to learn late grabs
Props to Justin Lynch!
Just an interesting fact that u learn from a book on mental techniques of Olympic atheletes,I alway would have love to do Giant slalom,and down hill skiing in the Olympics because that was the way I ski naturally banzai the hill just get to the bottom as fast as u can.I started when I was 3 ....
Fuck yeah, that was good. I always thought over the wheel was the coolest way
Hawk does them like that too.
I wish I could hire you to teach me this!
You can tag me in a insta post of an attempt and I can give you some pointers. @trogarmy learn to fly buddy because you can, defy gravity
@@trogarmy will try to do this! thanks man
Man I just wanna fly. All the vert in my town are crusty death bowls. Pads are so expensive, I just bought a huge ass board with rails, I want some knee pads and definitely a helmet. These bowls are too gnarly, I want to skate a wooden vert ramp so bad!!
I have that creature deck
Iv been having trouble with the board getting away from me and having to bail out
Send me a direct video on insta @trogarmy and I can give you some tips
Do you need to ollie or not with airs
STILLUMINATI try doing the bonk makes it very easy once you dialit in. When you ollie you rend to pull out to the flatbottom. Hope that helps and tag me when you put one down! Ram it Down
Trog Army thank you sir!
How advanced does your skating ability need to be in order to star trying airs? From the outside it seems like only pros or expert skaters can really try this without risking too much...
Great question. You definitely want your legs conditioned for the force of coming in. With that said in California I have seen many kids who can blast but not axel stall. If you have mastered pumping, dropping in and fly out to deck. I think you will have a good chance to start your battle
What deck is that?
Creature slick
@@trogarmy Thanks btw.. I ended up picking one up and loved the shape but it started delaminating when it was just about used up. Last time I will buy a deck not made in USA :)
I agree backside air is easier than an axle stall... but not at first...but its a mind thing.
Your right. Flying through the air is not normal!
That is so fucking cool
What wheel size do you have?
60mm is usually what I ride on vert.
@@trogarmy and what on lower transition or bowls?
56mm, that's what one of my current favorite skater rides, Jimmy Wilkins! He seems to do alright with that size. Lol
At least they still have the vert bowl
Landed my first 4 then hung up🥺 how do I make sure I pop out enough
been there, done that. if you hit a good clean bonk you should feel that you are in the ramp enough to land or bail. If you let go early and try to put down the landing gear down early your percentage to hang up goes up. Another thing to remember is that every trick comes with a slam. not just a fall but a good hard slam. sounds like you got yours over with. with hang ups you learn a lot, what not to do. I wouldnt fear the slam/hang up again. with taking one already the chances it will happen again are unlikely anytime soon. remember your bail out pattern and the feeling of landing those first four. great job and i hope this answers your question. where can i see a video of the land???
My back foot always feels weird it doesn't stay anytips ?
New Grip always is number one for slippin shoes.
you can also twist your wrist and fingers to press board into foot. after a while it becomes easy. harder at first.
Easier than an axel stall aye? I’ll comment tomorrow if i was successful on the mini
I think so because axel stall is a lip trick and an air is a kick turn.
how tall is that ramp?
9' 10" mini vert
@@trogarmy Thanks bro
Remember how scary rock to fakie was
Do frontside airs next mate.
You got it
@@trogarmy Thanks :) Looking forward to it.
He needs to do the trick anytime he explains lol
Imma do this, I’ll edit if I’m not dead
not dead but took a break from it, im just tweaking it too much like a method n not committing
PS I'm just gonna see what happens.... 🥳
I blame the cameraman
Bro I can do back side axle stalls I can't do a backside fucking air bro I really want to do a backside Air too. Im 38 still think I can learn one
Your not too old at all. You know the feeling of scooping up kickturn on a vert wall. Your body sort of compacts. Your arms are down. It's very much that feeling. Sounds like you just got to say F it. And ride away. Send me an attempt on Instagram @trogarmy you got it. Ram it down!
@@trogarmy
Thanks broski I'm going to the 28th and b street skatepark in sacramento tomorrow. ITS ON!!!
@@trogarmy Dude, I can do it an early grab one.
If you can find a vert wall with a set forward extension that is a great place to learn late grabs also hips that are high to low are great too. Keep chasing the dream
I’m heading to the skatepark today to see if I land it. I don’t even think I’ll get in the air but we’ll see. Watch the replies for updates.
Try not to pump up your airing wall. Ram it down and check back!
@@trogarmy Btw, this is the first real trick I’m going to try inter bowl. I know how to drop in on pretty much anything and I’m really good at pumping the bowl and carving. Do you think I will be able to get air?
@@guitarskeepmesane4958 if you can fly out you can air rule of thumb
@@trogarmy k, thank you!
Update: I didn’t get high enough past the coping. I don’t know what happened but it kept happening. I had enough speed and when I carve I can get up there but when I went straight on I didn’t make it up and I would shoot up but my board would shoot down.
"Probably easier than Axle Stall". No.
On vert. Truly it is
it is it's just way more scarier
in my head there is a imaginary line that your cross when you start going real fast and airing things out. It's what's makes me wanna "git gud" lol. skating fdr and watching full grown men go full fuckin speed haha I hate most skateboarding cause it's so childish and corny also v nice video. n maybe we will get a tuck knee how to? Haha
Doesn’t even do a backside air?!?
Only needed to do the one and only one at the end of the video to show y'all how ridiculously easy they are. Easier than an axle stall is the truth
Trog Army bro it is not easier than an axle stall wtf
@@andrewamer447 of course this just my professional opinion.
Good Video speaks a little too much and don't demonstrate at all,