The problem is, you can’t casually keep up. Being competitive takes a lot of attention, for anything. New cards keep coming out, the game keeps changing. You can’t settle in, unless you’re 100% invested. Imagine tryna play a simple game of pick up basketball but you have to be NBA level. Also, I love yugioh but I don’t have days to go to the comic shop & play test. I used to physically play more back when I tag force to learn my deck, on the fly, with the real rules, built in. I’d much rather play online as well. Less arguments & cheating. But that play-testing made it easier to go play physically.
I stoped playing when the synchro cards were still the newest thing because i didn't have the time to keep playing. And by the time i wanted to get in the game again, now there were xyz's and pendulum cards, so now i didn't have the money to get the new type of cards nor the time to learn the new status of the game
I used to think speed duels were pretty dumb, but I ended up finding the battle city box at my local target and gave it a shot. Ended up being very fun and cool, I could easily see this working well at parties and for teaching people the game. It’s simple, all of the decks are pretty well rounded.
and the best thing abt the box imo is that their are a lot of effect monsters unlike the first speed duel sets in which most of the monsters were vannilla (except gravekeeper) so there's more interesting stuff for new players to play with and learn some basic combos and stuff
Honestly coming from someone who played Yugioh as a kid, but stopped after around the 5Ds era I would love to see support for various ways to play. I recently started playing MTG again and I love the variation and the fact that I can enjoy the new stuff in standard, but still play formats that either remind me of when I used to play or more loose formats like say commander, which for the most part besides a few bans I can put any card from Magic's history in. I've been considering buying some YuGiOh cards again recently and if there was more support that would be all the jump I'd need.
Dude i feel the same. Im the reverse though. I just started to put down MTG after around 10 years mostly casual. Yugioh seems like fun again if they let me play old cards in a different format!
I’m the same. I stopped after 5D’s. Then didn’t play any card games for years until just recently when I started playing duel links. Now I only play speed duel format, as I find it way more fun, quick, and the current card pool for the physical version is still only up to GX which I love about it. Less super complex effects make it easier for people to get into as well.
One format that a ton of people enjoy in MTG that I think would be really fun in YGO is the Pauper format. The base rule is that you can only use cards that have been printed in common rarity. So example, if a card was originally secret BUT it has been reprinted as a common, then that card is a legal card to be used in the format. You can use whatever rarity of the card in your deck so long as we know it has been printed once as a common. This would let a lot of weaker archetypes see play. We've have very powerful generic support cards like Ash Blossom, Foolish Burial, etc printed as commons so it's not like we won't have powerful cards to play with. Of course this YGO Pauper format will have its own banlist as well. I think this could be a very popular format for players, especially the more casual players that don't wanna drop hundreds of dollars on a deck.
@@josepharmstrong6852 The thing you can take from magic is that if a format takes off, cards that normally would be junk cards become expensive in the secondary market, this will allow Konami the chance to reprint these cards in special sets so they can make a profit.
The 3v3 format that have been used on the anime of Yu gi Oh 5D have a great potential, and it could go like this to make it more balance : - The kicker is that they share the same extra deck , so 3 decks (3 players) would share a 15 limit extra deck - They have to share the same limit of 3 cards. Example is like if player number 1 have monster reborn , player number 2 and 3 cannot have it. Another example is if the first player have 3 "Elemental Hero Shadowmist", the second player and third player cannot have a Shadowmist on their decks. So this encourage the team to distribute the resources on each deck - When you reduce your opponent LP to 0, the duel ends and it goes to the new opponent. This also applies when the opponent can lose on their own turn , the player who reaches to 0, his next partner will begin right away. Speaking of this, many new strategies can come out of this if you per say pay all your life points to set up a board for your teammate that will go next (how Crow and Jack would do it for Yusei). - A downside of this is that Link summoning and Xyz would be the most played cards (on the 3v3 format) from the extra deck due to them been that easy to summon - To make it short, because is like 3v3, and pretty much it can come down to 6 duels , making it best of 1 is okay - The Side deck is also of 15 cards and it's share between all the decks - Here is the kicker with the side deck and the main decks, you cannot change between cards between the main decks, you can only change from the side deck. It is pretty complicated since on a best of 3, the first duel is always the deck list you give to the opponent, and then on round 2 you can do the necessary changes. Here though because is a best of one, players who are going second and third can do the changes, while the first players are lockdown to their list. - Finally, this is mainly to have fun, and see what crazy combinations can people come up with on this format
i remember tag duals - waaaay back when i used to play, my local play group actually had tag duel events! But it ended up dying due to cards like chain strike :( i feel like it would probably need its own separate banlist but honestly - i really enjoyed just buddying up with a friend and going "my lightsworn - your destiny heroes, lets see how we do!" it was a lot of fun
@@wilfulbuckle13 i've been trying to play it with a friend. We are trying things like a command zone (any monster) for example: dark magician (LV 7/spellcaster/dark) and the deck only can run spellcaster and/or dark monsters - just like the color restriction in Commander - and everytime the "general" is destroyed, he returns to the command zone and its cost is increased by 1 tribute. Also, we are using 60 cards + the commander monster
@@Firehoundex me too. I never got tired of playing commander. It can be played both casually and competitive. So many tribes, decks, combos, interactions. It's the best multiplayer format i've played in my life. 1 card of each is nice too because it is more affordable and you can play whatever you want.
I've always thought that a limited format would be cool, where every card is limited (forbidden cards still forbidden though). It would kinda be like how in the anime people would only use 1 copy of every card, also might lead to some interesting deck building.
Coming from Magic, Yu-Gi-Oh! really needs something like the Commander Format, the most popular one by now and heavily supported. For YGO this would mean: 1. It has to be a fan-made format, so it doesn't feel like Konami made it to grab your money, but they can support it with product to get value out of it. 2. It has to be multiplayer (1vs1vs1vs1 at best) but not necessarily Tag-Duels, so it can get a political aspect of deals and archenemy moments. 3. It has to have a kind of social contract where playgroups just agree on a power level of the decks or where you can tell people at a LGS what power level your deck has. This comes with a format specific banned list as well as certain agreements between players that are common sense. There also is a competitive scene but players just have to agree first if they want to play all competitive or all non-competitive. 4. It has to have a way to always have access on some of your favorite cards, like the Commander in the Command zone who is actually always a part of your hand. 5. Commander in MTG is highlander (every card at 1) with double the lifepoints (16000?) and 100 card decks. Most combos are highly balanced by that. This format has united many tournament players with kitchen table players that can play all the old cards they want and compete with all the other decks to a certain level. And it is a huge sucess for Wizards of the Coast as well.
As a commander player myself, this sounds like a great idea. maybe you should get to start with a field spell of your choice on the field (next I valley tier one)
Honestly if there was a type of "Vintage" or "Modern" format like MTG, I would consider getting back into Yu-Gi-Oh. I used to be a competitive player between 2008 - 2010 and miss running Harpies'. Knowing Konami this will never happen
I would like to see a format where budget decks were actually viable, I also think this would be great for newer players who were just looking to test the game out to see if they like it. As an airsofter as well as a casual yugioh player I know that hobbies can be expensive but there are usually budget options available. The issue is budget decks in yugioh are like playing airsoft with a nerf gun, you might get a kill but its gonna be very difficult.
Best format: You're only allowed 1 of each card unless a card effect or summoning requirement specifically requires more than one copy of that card, like specific fusion material monsters etc. Also 2 Polymerisation. That's it.
I want that Dungeon Dice Monster to return. I would also like to have Capsule Monster to try it out. I wish a type of speed duel (like in 5D’s) where you can use speed counters to use gaming changing effects or to use powerful ones too. Maybe a way to do Dungeon Duels from the original anime.
Exactly, something exciting. I started playing in tournaments around little city big city heroes. Stopped right before links became meta and the one extra deck zone rule was implemented. Recently I became friends with a few people that use cards that are 2014 and older in the main and side deck. But you can only use cards in your extra deck that are pre 2008. So it's been fun taking my collection and creating decks that are some what balanced following these rules.
We should have a commander deck style format, 1 card copies, all limited and banned cards are banned, all semi limited cards are limited. 60 card deck, one copy max of each card, no limited or banned cards!
@@Ambyli there's a lot of cards now to choose from, enough to make an interesting format. It would also reduce three copies of each hand trap and crazy search combos, it may even bring forth to decks that need to have two archetypes to fully get the complete 60 cards
I remember a little while back my LGS had a Pre Release for a new YuGiOh. As a magic player, I thought it was where you get packs and make a deck from those packs. I was dead wrong lol. I signed up then found out you had to bring your own deck for a touny, and the winner got the new product. It was my fault for not doing further research. But I went out of my way to play YuGiOh when I havent in many years because I thought I would be on even footing with others building a draft deck.
A format like Magic's EDH could be interesting. It's based off Speed Duels rules but uses standard format cards. You get one monster that's your "ace" monster, and that stays on the field the entire time but you can only use each of its effects once per game. In addition, ace monsters with 2500 or more attack or defense can participate in battle only once per game. 2 copies of a card allowed, 41 card decks, maximum of 3 special summons and 1 extra deck summon per turn.
The only formats I could see yugioh having is things like sets designed for draft and sealed. Those are probably the most doable while being different. You could do formats based on when the cards came out. Like magic does with vintage, legacy, modern, and pioneer, standard. Where each of those formats has a card pool and ban list based off when the cards came out. that could change up the meta a bit in yugioh. The tag duel stuff could be cool in magic its called 2 headed giant. The only problem I see with yugioh and different unique formats like speed duels and whatever is going on in japan atm. Now when it comes to a multi-player format like magics extremely popular commander I'm not sure yugiohs game system itself really allows for a format like that to be possible. With how restrictive yugiohs bord is I'm don't think it would work out very well.
formats based on when the cards came out might seem like the way to go but I think it somewhat clashes with the way yu-gi-oh! sets are designed. With arechtype based design, a lot of cards rely on other specific cards. With a lot of archetypes being spread out among several booster sets, deciding on a cut-off point for a format will almost certaintly neuter some archetypes right out of the gate. Alternatively, formats could be created based on summoning mechanics. I think a lot of the complexity of the game stems from the different summoning mechanics, each with their own specific rules, and how they interact. Formats could be made based on the order in which the mechanics were introduced. Since all the summoning mechanics are color coded, it would make it easy to identify which cards are not allowed in the format. Additionally, summoning mechanics are typically tied to the different anime shows so the names of the shows could be used as names for the different formats. for example: GX format: no synchros, xyz's, pendulums, or Links 5D's format: no xyz's, pendulums or links Zyxel format: no pendulums or links etc.
One thing I've thought would be interesting is a format where they loosen the banlist. They ban the OTKs, hand destruction loops and other things like that, but they let everything else go wild. Let us see what tier 0 deck is really the best when they go up against some competition, or if there's a sleeper pick that only works if it has this little bit of consistency that got banned 4 years ago. Push the game to its limits and see what rises to the top when you go with the syndrome strategy of 'everyone's super, no one will be'
I think if yugioh had alternative formats by era (DM, GX, 5Ds, etc.) it would be good. It's a good way to gradually introduce someone to the different summoning mechanics, and is good for nostalgia for players that prefer different eras. It also opens the floodgates for different banlists, for example, dandylion is obviously a bit too broken for link format, but merely a *good* option in the 5Ds or Zexal era. It's super simple to block off by sets, the hardest part is coming up with banlists, but even then, there's past lists to look at for reference.
Old player here. I never really got into the competitive scene but was active at locals circa 2009-2011 and played the game from its inception up until the years listed. Power creep and the feeling that I had to play specific decks in order to “compete” at locals definitely discouraged me from trying to invest fully into the game. I’m at a point now where it wouldn’t be too difficult to buy whatever cards I need to run whatever the best meta deck is, but I would fall flat on my face trying to play it because the game is nothing like it was when I left it. That’s not a bad thing - new mechanics and styles of play keep things fresh - but I watch videos of modern Yu-Gi-Oh! and there’s barely enough time for me to understand how all the cards work with one another. Alternative formats would pique my interest, and I think would help keep people on board longer. I’ve had a lot of fun playing a variety of decks in Goat Format lately, for what that’s worth.
I remember being very excited when they first announced the Generation Duel formats years ago, which in hindsight I should have known better than to be because those formats were DOA due to a complete lack of actual support and incentive. In order to thrive, think this would require a permanent presence in side event form at major events. This also means that the player base would have to be willing to dedicate time and resources to it and engage with it as well, adding another layer of difficulty to its sustainability, but I think those formats are a great idea that provide... well, generational opportunity and viability to the game outside of the primary Advanced format which large swaths of the player base come and go with. I have no hopes it will ever actually manifest into anything, but maybe one day there will be legitimate alternative formats that stick and provide options for every type and level of player.
Magic has a format similar to the rarity based format you were talking about. It’s called Pauper and you could only play Commons. It seems really fun. Yugioh could also probably have a Commander type format. Since Yugioh doesn’t have color identities it could based on type and attribute. Commander is also a Singleton format (meaning you can only play 1 copy of each card). Singleton keeps the power level lower inherently because it limits consistency and combos. Lastly I think the most creative potential format is something based off of Duelist of the Roses. For anyone who hasn’t played DotR it was a Yugioh game that combined the card game with board game elements. The rules would take some adjusting for irl play obviously, but I remember there was a TH-camr who played it with his friend back in like 2011 (they called it Map Duels). It seemed to flow really well.
I think this topic goes hand in hand with your earlier video about having a problem attracting new players. Having only one format means tons of power creep to keep the game fresh and leaves new players in the dust.
My issue with a rotation set up is actually something I love about Magic the Gathering. The sets would have to be something close to 200+ cards each and packs would have to get bigger and more expensive if Konami wanted to keep staples like Twin Twisters and Cosmic Cyclone in the rotation. This would open-up sets to be more draft-friendly but it would also theoretically mean digging for singles (if you're in to buying sealed for just one card) would get harder and more expensive.
Also it severely hinders legacy support. Imagine if you had to play Resonators/Red Dragon Archfiend but only using the new Arc-V cards so no Synkron, no Call, and hell, no Abyss. Typically they do reprint key cards when legacy support comes around but if Konami said, “Okay, new support for X-Sabers... Reprint half the archetype with it.” It’d cause tremendous pack bloat.
@@Zetact_ If a set included Red Dragon Archfiend the support would be in the set. Its how sets work. Its true the you get reprints less often in magic, but you don't need to. Magic prints lots of cards with similar effects between sets. Yugioh could just use the same cards often. A popular archetype is almost guaranteed to appear again and again.
Groups like Luxury Games do organize the Rogue tournaments and those seem popular. It basically has a custom banlist where they ban engines or archetypes etc. Konami could maybe do tournaments like that. Also on the rotation format. I would be okay with that as it's own format but I love that we don't have that as the main TCG format. One reason I love about the game is how random old cards can pop up in newer strategies in weird ways. From playing Inferoble Knights for example I've had to look at different older cards like Power Tool Dragon or Coltwing to solve the problems of the deck. Even just seeing cards like Needle Ceiling and Book of Moon popping in topping deck lists in 2021.
Caste party is the format where all cards are the same rarity. Another type of Pegasus challenge is having someone announce a random effect that takes place during each round. There's also highlander, all cards at one copy each. Cross Banlist is a way to experiment with meta decks of the past. Double Deck Format: exactly 100 cards in main deck, up to 30 in Extra, up to 15 in Side; draw 2 cards during Draw Phase. Earth, Wind, Fire, and Water Format (ie Be the Avatar, LOL): Must run at least 4 monster cards of each of these 4 very attributes in the main deck.
A Couple of Alternative Formats that I would like to see more of are the First is a Format that I've only played in an App that Per Dates Dual Links and that is Yu Gi Oh BAM! I loved that style of play. What it is You you must have Exactly 3 Cards in your Hand at the start of everyone of your Turns and You also must Use Up Every Card in Your Hand By the End Of Your Turn If Able and the rest is just Like 'Rush Duals' with Mass Summons and Mass Draws, it may sound simple but it's really fun....well for me at least. And the Second One I don't know how you could do it Especially when it's just One V One is Boss Duals.
A cool one that would probably immediately have a meta is basically the "sphere field" format. The rules go exactly how you remember them from Zexal, but I think some changes would have to be made. At the start of the duel, set aside at least 15 Number cards in your "number pile" (for clarification, a number card is an xyz monster that has a number as a part of it's name, such as "number 17," "number 32", so on and so forth). At any point in the Duel, during your main phase, you can overlay two or more monsters of the same level from your hand, and then place a number monster at random from your number pile on top of the overlayed monsters onto the field, which is treated as an xyz summon. If a number monster that was summoned this way no longer has xyz materials attached to it, that monster is sent to the graveyard. Also, if a chaos number is summoned in this fashion, you can attach its corresponding number to it as an xyz material from your number pile (for instance, if "Number C9: Chaos Dyson Sphere" was summoned, you attach "Number 9: Dyson Sphere to it as material). However, you can still xyz summon number monsters from your number pile by xyz summoning normally.
The deck builder side sets would be a great choice for a drafting set with a few tweaks, a few more generic cards or cards that can potentially support 2 of the archetypes in the set.
What I think would be a real game changer for Yugioh, is a multiplayer free for all format. It would open doors for new players but also veterans who are in a rut. Greatest challenge in this is determining and balancing the way cards would work in free-for-all. Something like this: Raigeki would let you choose 1 opponent to wipe the board from, while Dark Hole wipes every players board. You guys have an entire Team with passion and years of experience in Yugioh, also a great audience. Maybe you guys can come up with some rulings for a functioning free-for-all format!!
Honestly tho it is hard keeping up. I left about over a year ago from competitive and trying to come back has been a massive pain since even after knowing all summons, all timing rules, the game still changes so much none of my plays are optimal anymore and there’s new things to watch out for and different interaction points compared to Gouki/ Sky Striker/ Thunder Dragon formats when I played
I feel like a possibly simpler format would be generational aka a ritual/fusion, synchro, link and XYZ tournaments so people who like specific systems could join those tournaments. You could also combine some if that many types is overwhelming such as ritual/fusion/synchro, fusion/link/XYZ. Plus have one where all of the above is used. (fusion in both cause it's a staple for the game) I feel like doing this could promote alternate formats or at the very least make them special event tournaments like a 5D tournament when it excludes link and XYZ so prizes could be more synchro based.
Definitely would like a rotation style as I am a Pokémon player who played yugioh during its first years before synchros were even a thing however now that the game has changed so drastically I can’t jump right in especially with such a strong meta ... either Rotate based of sets or generations starting with releasing the old cards again forcing players to use those cards then eventually slowly release syncs, xyz, link etc or put a rotation on “specialty” cards only allows player to use either syncs, xyz, link , pendulums or fusion during a rotation or only 1 specialty card per deck so you can’t pendulum, link and xyz summon 40 monsters a turns
I come from Magic, and if Yu Gi Oh could do something like Magic's Jumpstart I think that would be really great. Basically its a bunch of half-decks sold at around $5-$6 each that you can combine two and make into one deck. I don't know how that would work in YuGiOh, but I think just the casual picking up a couple packs at the store, shuffling them together and playing would be perfect. Even if you could do these with your own cards. Again, no clue on rules but I think something like that would be great. It just needs the easy to pick up factor.
I'd like to see a singleton format or something that really turns the way we build decks on its head. It's hard, because unlike other tcgs, YGO only adds summoning mechanics as new card types unlike other games like Magic and Force of Will that add Vehicles and Regalia in their new sets. Konami has stuck to the Monster, Spell, Trap card format, giving mainly focus to innovating Monster cards and only lightly dipping their toes into Spells and immediately giving up after Pendulums.
I agree with this. From what I understand Goat Format has a huge following. Maybe Konami could have a 'Side tournament' at some of their regionals For those who want to play (or perhaps have goat format tournaments a couple times a year and the prizes could be different cards within the format but of different rarities. also like the idea of the Constructed Format using 'Battle Packs' type of releases (these could possibly be done on a smaller level - maybe at the larger locals that could host them.
Commander is the only reason so many people play MtG, yugioh absolutely needs something like that. I think what theyre trying to do by leaning into the anime connected sets (speed duel battle city is a huge step in the right direction). Draft also seems like a huge gap, one draft set every summer would be excellent
@@Habeev07 I do think something like 60-70 singleton would be interesting, forces people to get a lot more creative with the cards they use and makes consistency less likely.
I think sealed or draft is the best place to start for new formats. It puts everyone on a level playing field so new players won’t feel bad, it can be designed to limit the overly complicated cards, and it helps sell more packs so Konami can get around the singles market. New players also can build their collections over time to eventually transition to normal Yugioh. It’s a win for everyone and I’m pretty shocked Konami doesn’t put more support into sealed/draft.
One thing that someone brought up that I realize is great about goat is that it’s an eternal format. You can stop playing goats for maybe a year or more, come back, and your deck will still work the same and be just as good as it was back then . Its not like modern where you have to see if any of your cards are banned or are power crept.
@@DylanHlava That is a great point. One of the few kinds of formats where investing in cards is worth it. You never have to worry about a ban list killing your most expensive card.
Formats I'd like to see supported - Pauper - Only cards printed as common. Highlander - All cards are limited. 60 Card Deck minimum Unlimited - Only unlimited cards can be used. Super Unlimited, Only unlimited cards, but you can have as many copies as you want. 5 Headed Dragon - 5 player free for all, the winner has to defeat the other four. Jinzo Format - No Traps in decks Horus Format - No Spells in decks Law of the Normal - No effect monsters in decks. Macro Cosmos - All cards are banished. Graveyard doesn't exist.
I’d like a character larping deck format where they have requirements and restrictions on what can be in the chosen characters deck and they utilize the traditional ban list for those events, I feel like this would be simultaneously fun and challenging for those involved plus make the legacy support they’ve been pumping out relevant
This will definitely help. I think a Commander/Singleton format could be interesting. Add multiplayer. I would maybe even get into yugioh if it happened.
I always wanted to try Generation Duel but I never got the chance too because even when I went for the year they had it, they did it in a weird way where you could only enter the tourney for each format that your deck was so You didn’t actually get to face different generations, but just other versions of your own generation. That made me sad
Just watched your video from 3 days ago. Seems this one's aged well seeing as we're getting alternate formats! Remains to be seen how well supported they are, though.
Or a deck master, like the one in the anime, they did it but was not heavily produced by konami, you can further this by making deck master like commander, except by letting you special summon your deck master at any time and if it dies you then lose the game, but a added rule is, if you use the deck masters ability, you loose 2k as a cost, there for if a card has multiple effects to use it you will lose alot of life points thus making you want to use not so heavy cards, also you can use your deck masters ability from its deck master zone. But as a added restriction you can only use it once and you still pay cost, where as if you are on the field it will be able to use it as long as you have lp, also only restrict it to monsters, not extra deck monsters, and no spell/trap
would be cool if we just go past formats for each era of yugioh. Goat format, pre duelist genesis, pre generation force, pre duelist alliance, etc etc i honestly just wish i can play the game to relive past eras and play with the old decks i used to love. I can run more modern decks but i’m too fueled by nostalgia to keep up with it
Like the Tier format idea (similar to how Pokémon, not the TCG version!) have tiers in the competitive formats, where the most commonly played/most powerful decks are only eligible in top tiers, but banned in lower tiers, also like the DM-era, GX-era ideas. Agree that it'll be tough to manage though...
I really like playing pure decks, i know it s cool to try some spicy things, but i think it would be nice if there were a format where everyone has to paly pure, there will not be op deck but casual players could play the deck they love with the theme they like the most
I have an idea for a format: A POINT SYSTEM. I remember playing a lot of the old Yugioh games that gave you points after a duel to buy packs and it made me think of it. You'd be rewarded points for fulfilling specific objectives in the duel like exactly reducing an opponent's life points to 0 or performing a chain link of 4 or higher. But it could be taken a step further. Maybe during a tournament or something each player has a "Quest List" of some kind where they need to play specific cards during a duel or doing a specific thing like destroy blue-eyes white dragon with dark magician or use a normal 4 star monster to destroy an 8 star or above monster. Once they've achieved that objective, they earn the corresponding points for that play and it gets checked off meaning they can't fulfill that objective again. The next tournament would have a new list to work with, probably based around what new sets of cards has dropped most likely, but they could always have some quests tied to old-school cards too. Konami could even have like a "Quest Card List" where playing these cards in a duel will earn them bonus points. The cards themselves could vary in points rewarded based on difficulty of use, like playing an old-school 5 star normal monster would reward a good bit of points. Naturally, winning earns you a good deal of points as well, but only those who were able to optimize their points earned by using uncommonly played cards or performing specific actions in a duel alongside winning will earn enough to qualify for the championship. It would be a means of encouraging using cards that aren't normally played at a higher level. I know this would be a ton of work to pull off, but it would promote interesting deck builds. Since winning duels wouldn't be enough, players would have to experiment with cards (outside of the meta) in order to earn the most amount of points they can.
The format me and friends have been playing as of late had been "Ace" format. Normal deck size, life points, ban list and board at the moment BUT it's Singleton so only one copy of each card per in deck except your Ace card which is aloud play set. It's not a completely balanced but it's very casual and slower play which reminds me twilightsworn format speed play. There's plenty of opportunity for Archetype mixing and perfect for getting older people back onto the game while letting them ease into the new rules. Very fun!
I think the first thing to put into perspective is that konami doesnt own yugioh, they license it in which the rights to the franchise is divided up into 4/5 different companies which is why organisation for the tcg takes so long due to communication with konami japan and the corporates invested in the game as they have to make sure that no decision will negatively tarnish the image of the game. Over the years there has been many different variants whether we bring up battle packs, pegasus challenge, tag teams, traditional and these have been implemented to varying degrees, whether we look at the 3v3 ycs, the 3 battle pack ycs`s, the ycs side events for tag teams pegasus challenges and battle packs, the battle pack regionals, the top cut battle pack for ycs events. Not to mention the other avenues for competition over the years with the video game world championships and the more recent duel links opportunities. The issue is when comparing the figures for the ycs/ the side events or the regionals the numbers did not hold the average figures that regular events would hold. Not only this but you had complaints from people about the fact that they invested money into these cards only to not be able to play these cards as the events that they are able to go to, or that they simply played yugioh for the competitive format. To even back this up if you type in ycs sheffield ( the first battle pack ycs) you will get results of multiple videos of people complaining about the fact that they simply didnt want to play that style of format. When you get the option to put more costs into more mats or giant cards rather than printing more inventory for these side events or events in general that dont see the same success as the others it just doesnt seem monetarily sensible for these to be pushed when they can continue with the options currently available which people happily enter. This statement doesnt really apply to 3v3 ycs mostly however as you have the issue of only occured in america right now which doesnt have a consistent figure in attendance like europe within the last couple of years. Now to move onto a more casual side of things, I think this comes more down to the community at large to be honest with you. From the sounds of things from your perspective last video it seems more like a issue whether it be attendance figures or communities not welcoming enough to allow kids etc to want to join the community more. As when a local store is not running special events whether it be regionals yugioh days or sneak peaks etc If the interest was large enough the styles of events would be on offer if they recieved enough interest from the local playerbase. Look at locals which run goat format events, If you were able to tell your store that you and everyone that was playing locals that week wanted to play only one rarity deck or a slightly different style event and you could prove that the playerbase would be interested and show up the store would be more than inclined to help out as it would be in there interest to oblige as thats a source of revenue for them. Like how you have die hard commander fans in magic. One example I can personally say is there was a locals in which we had lower figures than normal and everyone there at the time said they would be ok to play yugioh cube instead of constucted we let the store know that this is what we wanted to do instead of locals that week and they were more than happy to allow us to do that and keep that as an option in the future if we wanted to.
We HAVE alternate formats! There's advanced, traditional, speed duels, structure deck tournaments... there were tag duels and team duels (tag was shared fields and shared lp between teammates, teams was 3v3 first team to 3, wins) there was another official format called the generational duels which each player would choose a generation they'd represent and could only use cards that represent those generations. (DM era only get older ritual monsters, like 4 fusions to choose from and no other extra decks. Gx, only fusion. Etc.)
Agreed 100% with this video. Paul I think you and the guys are in a prime position to inspire change. I Love the sealed and draft formats you guys put out. Magic has gained a lot of success from the other formats that are popular to players. I play all 3 games, and when it comes to magic I got back into it when I learned about Pauper and Commander formats. The player base longed for official support from WOTC and finally got it. Player can hold pauper tournaments and Commander grew enough for it to have its own committee. The committee sets a banned list and keeps the players interest and love of the game. I feel like the Yugitubers and our player base could use this for whatever format we show interest in
Great idea. They or we should add anime format Yu-Gi-Oh Where you don’t have to tribute monsters maybe even be able to normal summon more then one monster a turn 😂😂😂 the way Yugi taught us
10:00 as someone who used to play Hearthstone for years: bad idea. Just leads to the same cards being released every 2-3 years with just a different name. Feels like a waste of money when you need to buy the „exact same card“ just because the former was ruled out. Pretty much like the problem in speed duels but with a name change.
Ties together with the new player video. I think they should have Duel Links as a paper format. Easier and cheaper to get into while still allowing a lot of cool decks.
I think a format akin to MTG's commander (my favorite format) would be cool for yugioh. Perhaps you pick a monster card and build your entire deck around 3 copies of it and abusing it in all sorts of interesting ways. Maybe its singleton after the 3 copies of your "commander". Idk, something like that sounds fun. Opens lots of new deck building options and meme decks which are always the most fun decks to play in my opinion.
The worst thing they did was having Speed Duel as a "format" that can not use normal cards... It would have been so much more fun if they supported the cards they already printed, like a truly different format with maybe its own banlist + the skills sold in packs dedicated with Speed Duels "staples". Or supported with products like the SD: Battle City box but with a focus on skills which truly are the only thing that prevents players from start playing Speed Duels with the cards they already own But yes, as a Draft lover, I'm all for different formats officially supported. The killing of Battle packs was such a sad decision...
Other formats would be pretty cool but rotation is the only thing I'm completely close minded about, I understand the benefits it would bring but I hate the idea. Tag duels, 3v3, the single rarity decks, maybe archetype-only decks, pauper maybe, limited I think it's the one where you can only have 1 copy of each card in your deck, draft, I'm all up for stuff like that.
Pauper doesn't work for YGO since cards are printed at different rarities all the time. By not having cards at a set rarity and using their holographic cards as a rarity system instead of just an aesthetic upgrade, YGO locked its self out of pauper as a reasonable format from the beginning.
Great video. I think the way formats are handled in yu-gi-oh! is an important thing to think about going forward. I just don't see the current model, with complexity continiously growing, as being sustainable. I think Speed Duels could have been a great alternative format, but the fact that speed duel and original yu-gi-oh cards could not be used interchangeably ruined any potential speed duels had. Because of that choice, konami was basically competing against itself: you either play speed duels or Yu-Gi-Oh! but you can't buy speed duel product to slowly build a yu-gi-oh! collection to get into the original format or the other way way around. It's a shame too because Duel Links offered an easy way into the format. On top of that I think Speed Duels offered a really nice way of giving less powerful or less played arechtypes a chance by selectively introducing cards into the format. Converserly, I think formats based on rotation or a slected pool of sets is a poor fit fro yu-gi-oh!. Goat format works because it largely consists of sets from before archetype focused design. If rotation or set based formats are to become a think, they way yu-gi-oh! booster sets are designed would need to be overhauled.
Have you ever played Duelists of the Roses? I've always wanted to see something like the Deck Cost system be implemented to prevent overloading with so many good cards at once.
Here's the alt format I thought I'm going to aces short basics 0. Multiplayer casual have fun 1. 59 card singleton format with one ace card or skill card. 2. skill cards can be any skill from duel links or speed duels as long as the card wouldn't increase any players deck size about 59 3. an ace card is any card and would be placed in skill zone. Any time you would draw a card you can add your ace card yo your hand. When an ace card is removed from the field place it in the skill zone. For each additional time you add your ace to your hand you have to discard 1addtinal card. 4. one special summon per turn The
I wish we had a format that you had to pick an archetype and only use cards in that archetype. Then all generic cards that aren’t archetype specific everyone can use.
Honestly, traditional is probably the only one I could see Konami supporting, or maybe a draft set like the battle packs. Yu-gi-oh is just a weird game to make alternate formats for because it's hard to balance the game without just adding arbitrary rules to it. You could limit summons, but there are weaker decks that summon a lot (Lyrilusc) and strong ones that summon very little (Guru/Draco). You could do things based on time period, but most formats of Yu-gi-oh's past had a very defined meta that would limit what could be played. Like yeah everyone like Duelist Alliance, but there's like 4 real decks to play. That doesn't solve the issue of of stale meta. Also Konami would have to decide what time period the alternate format would have, and I can't really imagine them doing that. The only alt formats that have significant player backing are things like Goat, which doesn't really let you use newer but weaker decks (Duel Avatar for example) or Trinity which has its own host of weird deck building rules and restrictions. Hard problem to fix
My main gripe with the Game is what you said about not being able to keep up if you use the lower tier decks or don’t play meta. Of course Meta the obvious choice for the victors, if you do not play the matter than you essentially lose, and that makes the game not even fun. it’s not like Pokémon where you can still play with your favorites and still have a fighting chance, if I did that I would go 0-8 at tournaments. and then there is of course the problem of buying these new cards that fit the meta. I just wish there wasn’t a “correct answer"to victory in this game
i have thought alot about this "how to fix the game" and i agree with everything you say there should be different tier torny but rather than just allow certain decks into differ formats how about making formats with edited rules e.g. a format that limits time per turn or limits summons also i think rather than having a banlist where the certain cards are band , a combo banlist would be better cos it would still allow you to use cards that are band but not with other cards i really think this would help the game alot . i hope korami listens to you Paul
So me and my friends would play 4 way free for all duels all the time in the DM era. We had a rule that you can't attack a player until they've had their first turn, but you can start attacking any player that has already played their first turn. It definitely made for a lot of fun and unspoken strategy between everyone. Example, my friend tyler ran a op exodia deck (atleast compared to our decks) so sometimes without saying a word we'd focus on him to knock him out before he got his last piece, but at the same time you gotta strike the other two so they can't build a strong board. Which would also build vendettas amongst us in the game (bro you wiped my field and tyler is about to win....alright I got you next turn bro 😂😂😂) man those were the days. Yall should try 4-way duels, definitely a good time
Sealed pools that play as speed duels? That could be interesting? Also MTG has something called Canadian Highlander where you have a 100 card deck with 1-ofs. Also the powerful cards have point values so you can't include all the busted stuff. Could be fun for letting players mess with banned cards.
What konami could do is talk with the community on making a base ruleset for a new format and make the rest on the community ( for example EDH from MTG was a community made format that WoTC now supports with its own card or even ppl can use cards from the past with a smaller ban list ) konami can then make cards that can be used in normal YGO but are mainly for the new format, what do you think team APS?
They have implemented those in the past i think the problem is that once sellings are done they don't support it much longer and very few people get into it, just look at speed duels the newest alternative format is not doing very well and may be discontinued if dosnt get a decent playerbase.
It is crazy that Yugioh has existed so long yet only has one supported format, when competitors embrace multiple formats, especially Magic. I think Traditional could easily get more support. Vintage is a format in Magic. It's a similar concept. Tag duels have a lot of potential and drafting is my favourite thing about other card games. I wish there were more draft packs available, if we can't make regular Yugioh packs draftable. Konami need to figure out their "smaller, faster" duel format. It's a fun concept, but at the moment we have Duel Links, which is virtual only, Speed Duels, which seem DoA, and Rush Duels, which also seem DoA here in Japan (at least from what I can tell locally) but is being pushed heavily. I think they should stop trying to get you to buy whole new cards for the format and just have Duel Links in paper. Have a list of legal cards on the website, have a ban list, maybe print all the skill cards that can exist outside the game if you must flog something (I guess they could sell playmats as well) and then have the Duel Links format. My last thought is that Yugioh needs its premier casual format. Magic has EDH. I think a lot of the concepts could apply. Maybe not the General themselves (how do you increase the tax without a resource like mana? Tributes?), but the multiplayer with a larger, singleton deck concept would work well in Yugioh. You could have 60 card singleton decks. The only downside is that Yugioh cards aren't formatted to handle more than one opponent or two players, unlike Magic, but could easily be errata'd to do so and it could be a change in policy for future card design.
For example, choose 2 anime series and play based on that format! GX and 5Ds! Only cards from those 2 are allowed, everything else forbidden! Or Arc V and Vrains! Same thing! Or Zexal and classical Yugioh! That would be fun! Like, real life cards and anime cards released during any 2 of the selected eras of yugioh.....
Komoney in a way did that. It was never really supported and everyone just wanted to play zoo and true dracos (around the time I stopped playing the game).
@@X420BlazeNoScope Why is everyone a super duper ultra competitive meta slave, dear God....It's not all about winning, it's about enjoying and having fun playing the game, not negating your opponents whole field, actually attacking and not relying on monster and card effects to destroy, banish or whatever.....When I was a kid I had so much fun with my friends playing Yugioh in the same way anime characters did(not exactly but you get the point)....We actually fought with monsters during a duel non stop, we had few cards that destroyed or banished, no negations and hand traps.....We simply played against each other based on the monsters ATK, but these days ATK doesn't matter at all since every monster has card effect protection, can't be destroyed by battle, can't be banished, adds any card from deck to hand and such.....
Infinitrack and Dark Magicians are my two favorite decks to play. All Konami has to do to fix Yugioh is make all Fusion, Synchro, Xyz, and Link summoned monsters architype specific. That's the only way to balance all these broken 20 chain first turn combo win cheese decks. Once they Errata all the generic summoning materials off of those cards, then they can more easily keep a eye on which architypes are still broken and make ban lists based off of that. They can keep the main deck cards as is for the most part, but these damn extra deck monsters need to get under control. The game is way less enjoyable then it was back in the day.
I'm trying to create formulas for how good card effects and mechanics, would be easier to find out how the odds are with 2 players going up against each other.
There is a traditional format with no banned cards. Also there are past formats but only goat(which is sad and i know you mentioned goat) is recognized by Konami. Of course I would like Konami to add more formats like an official highlander format and other past formats.
@@BirdmanTCG but yes they never actually said it's an official format tho but as i said above they allowed it as a win a mat official event during extravaganzas.
The problem is, you can’t casually keep up. Being competitive takes a lot of attention, for anything. New cards keep coming out, the game keeps changing. You can’t settle in, unless you’re 100% invested. Imagine tryna play a simple game of pick up basketball but you have to be NBA level.
Also, I love yugioh but I don’t have days to go to the comic shop & play test. I used to physically play more back when I tag force to learn my deck, on the fly, with the real rules, built in. I’d much rather play online as well. Less arguments & cheating. But that play-testing made it easier to go play physically.
So true. I get power creep and why it happens, but it happens so fast now I'm priced out of a lot of strategies I'd like to try out
@@Cyber_Jar23 worst part is where the interesting strategies are the worst days to play
@@latroyw4650 totally agree, cards like cubics are a good example, totally unique effects and playstyle, really fun, but can't compete
I stoped playing when the synchro cards were still the newest thing because i didn't have the time to keep playing. And by the time i wanted to get in the game again, now there were xyz's and pendulum cards, so now i didn't have the money to get the new type of cards nor the time to learn the new status of the game
Very true, keeping up with any card game can’t be casual unfortunately, wish there was a way
Speed Duel: Battle City Box is a sealed format that seems like a lot of fun, I hope they continue releasing products like those
That product is great and helped me learn how to play yugioh. I really hope they release more speed duel products!
I used to think speed duels were pretty dumb, but I ended up finding the battle city box at my local target and gave it a shot. Ended up being very fun and cool, I could easily see this working well at parties and for teaching people the game. It’s simple, all of the decks are pretty well rounded.
@@DylanHlava same! Bought it because it looked neat and wound up using it at a game night to teach a group of friends how to play.
and the best thing abt the box imo is that their are a lot of effect monsters unlike the first speed duel sets in which most of the monsters were vannilla (except gravekeeper) so there's more interesting stuff for new players to play with and learn some basic combos and stuff
pretty sure konami is axing speed duels for rush duels.
Honestly coming from someone who played Yugioh as a kid, but stopped after around the 5Ds era I would love to see support for various ways to play. I recently started playing MTG again and I love the variation and the fact that I can enjoy the new stuff in standard, but still play formats that either remind me of when I used to play or more loose formats like say commander, which for the most part besides a few bans I can put any card from Magic's history in.
I've been considering buying some YuGiOh cards again recently and if there was more support that would be all the jump I'd need.
Dude i feel the same. Im the reverse though. I just started to put down MTG after around 10 years mostly casual. Yugioh seems like fun again if they let me play old cards in a different format!
I’m the same. I stopped after 5D’s. Then didn’t play any card games for years until just recently when I started playing duel links. Now I only play speed duel format, as I find it way more fun, quick, and the current card pool for the physical version is still only up to GX which I love about it. Less super complex effects make it easier for people to get into as well.
Definitely! I'd like summoning method formats where you can only use one extra deck mechanic. Also old school format tournaments should exist.
I would 100% play a lot of xyz only format tourneys and some goat format tourneys.
If Ycs events had goat format side events I would go to ycs events again.
They did support these formats enititialy people were hyped but it had low attendance.
Yes, limit the number if summons in a format.
One format that a ton of people enjoy in MTG that I think would be really fun in YGO is the Pauper format. The base rule is that you can only use cards that have been printed in common rarity. So example, if a card was originally secret BUT it has been reprinted as a common, then that card is a legal card to be used in the format. You can use whatever rarity of the card in your deck so long as we know it has been printed once as a common. This would let a lot of weaker archetypes see play. We've have very powerful generic support cards like Ash Blossom, Foolish Burial, etc printed as commons so it's not like we won't have powerful cards to play with. Of course this YGO Pauper format will have its own banlist as well. I think this could be a very popular format for players, especially the more casual players that don't wanna drop hundreds of dollars on a deck.
Would be cool but why konami will not make money so what's the modivation for them to do that :)
@@josepharmstrong6852 The thing you can take from magic is that if a format takes off, cards that normally would be junk cards become expensive in the secondary market, this will allow Konami the chance to reprint these cards in special sets so they can make a profit.
The 3v3 format that have been used on the anime of Yu gi Oh 5D have a great potential, and it could go like this to make it more balance :
- The kicker is that they share the same extra deck , so 3 decks (3 players) would share a 15 limit extra deck
- They have to share the same limit of 3 cards. Example is like if player number 1 have monster reborn , player number 2 and 3 cannot have it. Another example is if the first player have 3 "Elemental Hero Shadowmist", the second player and third player cannot have a Shadowmist on their decks. So this encourage the team to distribute the resources on each deck
- When you reduce your opponent LP to 0, the duel ends and it goes to the new opponent. This also applies when the opponent can lose on their own turn , the player who reaches to 0, his next partner will begin right away. Speaking of this, many new strategies can come out of this if you per say pay all your life points to set up a board for your teammate that will go next (how Crow and Jack would do it for Yusei).
- A downside of this is that Link summoning and Xyz would be the most played cards (on the 3v3 format) from the extra deck due to them been that easy to summon
- To make it short, because is like 3v3, and pretty much it can come down to 6 duels , making it best of 1 is okay
- The Side deck is also of 15 cards and it's share between all the decks
- Here is the kicker with the side deck and the main decks, you cannot change between cards between the main decks, you can only change from the side deck. It is pretty complicated since on a best of 3, the first duel is always the deck list you give to the opponent, and then on round 2 you can do the necessary changes. Here though because is a best of one, players who are going second and third can do the changes, while the first players are lockdown to their list.
- Finally, this is mainly to have fun, and see what crazy combinations can people come up with on this format
They need to bring yugioh dungeon and dice back i miss this one😭😔
YES!!
Agreed!
Dice roll!
i doubt they would ever seriously consider it, though. figures like that are pretty expensive to make
i remember tag duals - waaaay back when i used to play, my local play group actually had tag duel events!
But it ended up dying due to cards like chain strike :( i feel like it would probably need its own separate banlist but honestly - i really enjoyed just buddying up with a friend and going "my lightsworn - your destiny heroes, lets see how we do!" it was a lot of fun
Highlander/Singleton format, so you can only run 1 copy of any card.
And add multiplayer, so much more fun. I come from MTG and that's the only way to play in my opinion.
Interactions in commander/EDH are amazing
That sounds really fun! Commander is the only thing I play for magic.
@@wilfulbuckle13 i've been trying to play it with a friend. We are trying things like a command zone (any monster) for example: dark magician (LV 7/spellcaster/dark) and the deck only can run spellcaster and/or dark monsters - just like the color restriction in Commander - and everytime the "general" is destroyed, he returns to the command zone and its cost is increased by 1 tribute. Also, we are using 60 cards + the commander monster
@@Firehoundex me too. I never got tired of playing commander. It can be played both casually and competitive. So many tribes, decks, combos, interactions. It's the best multiplayer format i've played in my life. 1 card of each is nice too because it is more affordable and you can play whatever you want.
I've always thought that a limited format would be cool, where every card is limited (forbidden cards still forbidden though). It would kinda be like how in the anime people would only use 1 copy of every card, also might lead to some interesting deck building.
*Laughs in kaiba's 3 blue eyes white dragons*
@@prehistoricplayer1132 lol
@@prehistoricplayer1132 start using king of swamp lmao
@@mrdilonemusic hahaha hell yeah!
the side deck potential for this would be insane too
Coming from Magic, Yu-Gi-Oh! really needs something like the Commander Format, the most popular one by now and heavily supported. For YGO this would mean:
1. It has to be a fan-made format, so it doesn't feel like Konami made it to grab your money, but they can support it with product to get value out of it.
2. It has to be multiplayer (1vs1vs1vs1 at best) but not necessarily Tag-Duels, so it can get a political aspect of deals and archenemy moments.
3. It has to have a kind of social contract where playgroups just agree on a power level of the decks or where you can tell people at a LGS what power level your deck has. This comes with a format specific banned list as well as certain agreements between players that are common sense. There also is a competitive scene but players just have to agree first if they want to play all competitive or all non-competitive.
4. It has to have a way to always have access on some of your favorite cards, like the Commander in the Command zone who is actually always a part of your hand.
5. Commander in MTG is highlander (every card at 1) with double the lifepoints (16000?) and 100 card decks. Most combos are highly balanced by that.
This format has united many tournament players with kitchen table players that can play all the old cards they want and compete with all the other decks to a certain level. And it is a huge sucess for Wizards of the Coast as well.
As a commander player myself, this sounds like a great idea. maybe you should get to start with a field spell of your choice on the field (next I valley tier one)
Honestly if there was a type of "Vintage" or "Modern" format like MTG, I would consider getting back into Yu-Gi-Oh. I used to be a competitive player between 2008 - 2010 and miss running Harpies'. Knowing Konami this will never happen
Funnily enough harpies are pretty decent this format in combination with tribrigades
I would like to see a format where budget decks were actually viable, I also think this would be great for newer players who were just looking to test the game out to see if they like it. As an airsofter as well as a casual yugioh player I know that hobbies can be expensive but there are usually budget options available. The issue is budget decks in yugioh are like playing airsoft with a nerf gun, you might get a kill but its gonna be very difficult.
Best format: You're only allowed 1 of each card unless a card effect or summoning requirement specifically requires more than one copy of that card, like specific fusion material monsters etc. Also 2 Polymerisation. That's it.
I want that Dungeon Dice Monster to return. I would also like to have Capsule Monster to try it out. I wish a type of speed duel (like in 5D’s) where you can use speed counters to use gaming changing effects or to use powerful ones too. Maybe a way to do Dungeon Duels from the original anime.
They did an ok job with the original run of it! Not sure why it didn't keep going... probably cost.
This man constantly spits out solid ideas and points.
I kinda want the generation format along with the advanced format cuz just imagine WCS having multiple winners (DM/GX champ, 5D, Zexal, etc)
Exactly, something exciting. I started playing in tournaments around little city big city heroes. Stopped right before links became meta and the one extra deck zone rule was implemented. Recently I became friends with a few people that use cards that are 2014 and older in the main and side deck. But you can only use cards in your extra deck that are pre 2008. So it's been fun taking my collection and creating decks that are some what balanced following these rules.
We should have a commander deck style format, 1 card copies, all limited and banned cards are banned, all semi limited cards are limited.
60 card deck, one copy max of each card, no limited or banned cards!
I would love this. Commander is a ton of fun and if it were in yugioh then it could make a lot more of that classic back and forth.
@@Ambyli there's a lot of cards now to choose from, enough to make an interesting format.
It would also reduce three copies of each hand trap and crazy search combos, it may even bring forth to decks that need to have two archetypes to fully get the complete 60 cards
I remember a little while back my LGS had a Pre Release for a new YuGiOh. As a magic player, I thought it was where you get packs and make a deck from those packs. I was dead wrong lol. I signed up then found out you had to bring your own deck for a touny, and the winner got the new product. It was my fault for not doing further research. But I went out of my way to play YuGiOh when I havent in many years because I thought I would be on even footing with others building a draft deck.
Without GOATs I wouldn’t be here
Haha welcome to the club :D
A format like Magic's EDH could be interesting. It's based off Speed Duels rules but uses standard format cards. You get one monster that's your "ace" monster, and that stays on the field the entire time but you can only use each of its effects once per game. In addition, ace monsters with 2500 or more attack or defense can participate in battle only once per game. 2 copies of a card allowed, 41 card decks, maximum of 3 special summons and 1 extra deck summon per turn.
The only formats I could see yugioh having is things like sets designed for draft and sealed. Those are probably the most doable while being different. You could do formats based on when the cards came out. Like magic does with vintage, legacy, modern, and pioneer, standard. Where each of those formats has a card pool and ban list based off when the cards came out. that could change up the meta a bit in yugioh. The tag duel stuff could be cool in magic its called 2 headed giant.
The only problem I see with yugioh and different unique formats like speed duels and whatever is going on in japan atm. Now when it comes to a multi-player format like magics extremely popular commander I'm not sure yugiohs game system itself really allows for a format like that to be possible. With how restrictive yugiohs bord is I'm don't think it would work out very well.
formats based on when the cards came out might seem like the way to go but I think it somewhat clashes with the way yu-gi-oh! sets are designed. With arechtype based design, a lot of cards rely on other specific cards. With a lot of archetypes being spread out among several booster sets, deciding on a cut-off point for a format will almost certaintly neuter some archetypes right out of the gate.
Alternatively, formats could be created based on summoning mechanics. I think a lot of the complexity of the game stems from the different summoning mechanics, each with their own specific rules, and how they interact. Formats could be made based on the order in which the mechanics were introduced. Since all the summoning mechanics are color coded, it would make it easy to identify which cards are not allowed in the format. Additionally, summoning mechanics are typically tied to the different anime shows so the names of the shows could be used as names for the different formats. for example:
GX format: no synchros, xyz's, pendulums, or Links
5D's format: no xyz's, pendulums or links
Zyxel format: no pendulums or links
etc.
@@TravisPilgrim Formats based on when the cards came out might change the way YuGiOh sets are designed.
One thing I've thought would be interesting is a format where they loosen the banlist. They ban the OTKs, hand destruction loops and other things like that, but they let everything else go wild. Let us see what tier 0 deck is really the best when they go up against some competition, or if there's a sleeper pick that only works if it has this little bit of consistency that got banned 4 years ago.
Push the game to its limits and see what rises to the top when you go with the syndrome strategy of 'everyone's super, no one will be'
I think if yugioh had alternative formats by era (DM, GX, 5Ds, etc.) it would be good. It's a good way to gradually introduce someone to the different summoning mechanics, and is good for nostalgia for players that prefer different eras. It also opens the floodgates for different banlists, for example, dandylion is obviously a bit too broken for link format, but merely a *good* option in the 5Ds or Zexal era. It's super simple to block off by sets, the hardest part is coming up with banlists, but even then, there's past lists to look at for reference.
Old player here. I never really got into the competitive scene but was active at locals circa 2009-2011 and played the game from its inception up until the years listed. Power creep and the feeling that I had to play specific decks in order to “compete” at locals definitely discouraged me from trying to invest fully into the game. I’m at a point now where it wouldn’t be too difficult to buy whatever cards I need to run whatever the best meta deck is, but I would fall flat on my face trying to play it because the game is nothing like it was when I left it. That’s not a bad thing - new mechanics and styles of play keep things fresh - but I watch videos of modern Yu-Gi-Oh! and there’s barely enough time for me to understand how all the cards work with one another.
Alternative formats would pique my interest, and I think would help keep people on board longer. I’ve had a lot of fun playing a variety of decks in Goat Format lately, for what that’s worth.
I remember being very excited when they first announced the Generation Duel formats years ago, which in hindsight I should have known better than to be because those formats were DOA due to a complete lack of actual support and incentive. In order to thrive, think this would require a permanent presence in side event form at major events. This also means that the player base would have to be willing to dedicate time and resources to it and engage with it as well, adding another layer of difficulty to its sustainability, but I think those formats are a great idea that provide... well, generational opportunity and viability to the game outside of the primary Advanced format which large swaths of the player base come and go with. I have no hopes it will ever actually manifest into anything, but maybe one day there will be legitimate alternative formats that stick and provide options for every type and level of player.
Magic has a format similar to the rarity based format you were talking about. It’s called Pauper and you could only play Commons. It seems really fun.
Yugioh could also probably have a Commander type format. Since Yugioh doesn’t have color identities it could based on type and attribute. Commander is also a Singleton format (meaning you can only play 1 copy of each card). Singleton keeps the power level lower inherently because it limits consistency and combos.
Lastly I think the most creative potential format is something based off of Duelist of the Roses. For anyone who hasn’t played DotR it was a Yugioh game that combined the card game with board game elements. The rules would take some adjusting for irl play obviously, but I remember there was a TH-camr who played it with his friend back in like 2011 (they called it Map Duels). It seemed to flow really well.
I think this topic goes hand in hand with your earlier video about having a problem attracting new players. Having only one format means tons of power creep to keep the game fresh and leaves new players in the dust.
My issue with a rotation set up is actually something I love about Magic the Gathering. The sets would have to be something close to 200+ cards each and packs would have to get bigger and more expensive if Konami wanted to keep staples like Twin Twisters and Cosmic Cyclone in the rotation. This would open-up sets to be more draft-friendly but it would also theoretically mean digging for singles (if you're in to buying sealed for just one card) would get harder and more expensive.
Also it severely hinders legacy support. Imagine if you had to play Resonators/Red Dragon Archfiend but only using the new Arc-V cards so no Synkron, no Call, and hell, no Abyss. Typically they do reprint key cards when legacy support comes around but if Konami said, “Okay, new support for X-Sabers... Reprint half the archetype with it.” It’d cause tremendous pack bloat.
@@Zetact_ If a set included Red Dragon Archfiend the support would be in the set. Its how sets work.
Its true the you get reprints less often in magic, but you don't need to. Magic prints lots of cards with similar effects between sets. Yugioh could just use the same cards often. A popular archetype is almost guaranteed to appear again and again.
Groups like Luxury Games do organize the Rogue tournaments and those seem popular. It basically has a custom banlist where they ban engines or archetypes etc. Konami could maybe do tournaments like that. Also on the rotation format. I would be okay with that as it's own format but I love that we don't have that as the main TCG format. One reason I love about the game is how random old cards can pop up in newer strategies in weird ways. From playing Inferoble Knights for example I've had to look at different older cards like Power Tool Dragon or Coltwing to solve the problems of the deck. Even just seeing cards like Needle Ceiling and Book of Moon popping in topping deck lists in 2021.
Caste party is the format where all cards are the same rarity. Another type of Pegasus challenge is having someone announce a random effect that takes place during each round. There's also highlander, all cards at one copy each. Cross Banlist is a way to experiment with meta decks of the past. Double Deck Format: exactly 100 cards in main deck, up to 30 in Extra, up to 15 in Side; draw 2 cards during Draw Phase. Earth, Wind, Fire, and Water Format (ie Be the Avatar, LOL): Must run at least 4 monster cards of each of these 4 very attributes in the main deck.
Sealed Deck Format: $10 entry, each person gets a specific starter/structure deck. Alternatively, each player can choose one off the shelf.
A Couple of Alternative Formats that I would like to see more of are the First is a Format that I've only played in an App that Per Dates Dual Links and that is Yu Gi Oh BAM! I loved that style of play. What it is You you must have Exactly 3 Cards in your Hand at the start of everyone of your Turns and You also must Use Up Every Card in Your Hand By the End Of Your Turn If Able and the rest is just Like 'Rush Duals' with Mass Summons and Mass Draws, it may sound simple but it's really fun....well for me at least. And the Second One I don't know how you could do it Especially when it's just One V One is Boss Duals.
A friend of mine built a cube to draft with for yugioh. It had enough stuff for a 12 person rotisserie draft.
A cool one that would probably immediately have a meta is basically the "sphere field" format. The rules go exactly how you remember them from Zexal, but I think some changes would have to be made. At the start of the duel, set aside at least 15 Number cards in your "number pile" (for clarification, a number card is an xyz monster that has a number as a part of it's name, such as "number 17," "number 32", so on and so forth). At any point in the Duel, during your main phase, you can overlay two or more monsters of the same level from your hand, and then place a number monster at random from your number pile on top of the overlayed monsters onto the field, which is treated as an xyz summon. If a number monster that was summoned this way no longer has xyz materials attached to it, that monster is sent to the graveyard. Also, if a chaos number is summoned in this fashion, you can attach its corresponding number to it as an xyz material from your number pile (for instance, if "Number C9: Chaos Dyson Sphere" was summoned, you attach "Number 9: Dyson Sphere to it as material). However, you can still xyz summon number monsters from your number pile by xyz summoning normally.
The deck builder side sets would be a great choice for a drafting set with a few tweaks, a few more generic cards or cards that can potentially support 2 of the archetypes in the set.
What I think would be a real game changer for Yugioh, is a multiplayer free for all format.
It would open doors for new players but also veterans who are in a rut.
Greatest challenge in this is determining and balancing the way cards would work in free-for-all.
Something like this: Raigeki would let you choose 1 opponent to wipe the board from, while Dark Hole wipes every players board.
You guys have an entire Team with passion and years of experience in Yugioh, also a great audience. Maybe you guys can come up with some rulings for a functioning free-for-all format!!
Weight class idea is such a good idea- really would make the game more playable and fun!
Honestly tho it is hard keeping up. I left about over a year ago from competitive and trying to come back has been a massive pain since even after knowing all summons, all timing rules, the game still changes so much none of my plays are optimal anymore and there’s new things to watch out for and different interaction points compared to Gouki/ Sky Striker/ Thunder Dragon formats when I played
I feel like a possibly simpler format would be generational aka a ritual/fusion, synchro, link and XYZ tournaments so people who like specific systems could join those tournaments. You could also combine some if that many types is overwhelming such as ritual/fusion/synchro, fusion/link/XYZ. Plus have one where all of the above is used. (fusion in both cause it's a staple for the game)
I feel like doing this could promote alternate formats or at the very least make them special event tournaments like a 5D tournament when it excludes link and XYZ so prizes could be more synchro based.
Definitely would like a rotation style as I am a Pokémon player who played yugioh during its first years before synchros were even a thing however now that the game has changed so drastically I can’t jump right in especially with such a strong meta ... either Rotate based of sets or generations starting with releasing the old cards again forcing players to use those cards then eventually slowly release syncs, xyz, link etc or put a rotation on “specialty” cards only allows player to use either syncs, xyz, link , pendulums or fusion during a rotation or only 1 specialty card per deck so you can’t pendulum, link and xyz summon 40 monsters a turns
I come from Magic, and if Yu Gi Oh could do something like Magic's Jumpstart I think that would be really great. Basically its a bunch of half-decks sold at around $5-$6 each that you can combine two and make into one deck. I don't know how that would work in YuGiOh, but I think just the casual picking up a couple packs at the store, shuffling them together and playing would be perfect. Even if you could do these with your own cards. Again, no clue on rules but I think something like that would be great. It just needs the easy to pick up factor.
A format with all cards/sets just before synchro?!
I'd like to see a singleton format or something that really turns the way we build decks on its head. It's hard, because unlike other tcgs, YGO only adds summoning mechanics as new card types unlike other games like Magic and Force of Will that add Vehicles and Regalia in their new sets. Konami has stuck to the Monster, Spell, Trap card format, giving mainly focus to innovating Monster cards and only lightly dipping their toes into Spells and immediately giving up after Pendulums.
i remember the battle pack draft tournaments and 2v2 tournaments at locals. they were some of my first haha
I agree with this. From what I understand Goat Format has a huge following. Maybe Konami could have a 'Side tournament' at some of their regionals For those who want to play (or perhaps have goat format tournaments a couple times a year and the prizes could be different cards within the format but of different rarities. also like the idea of the Constructed Format using 'Battle Packs' type of releases (these could possibly be done on a smaller level - maybe at the larger locals that could host them.
Commander is the only reason so many people play MtG, yugioh absolutely needs something like that. I think what theyre trying to do by leaning into the anime connected sets (speed duel battle city is a huge step in the right direction). Draft also seems like a huge gap, one draft set every summer would be excellent
Yes, a 40 card singleton format. pot greed legal again. XD.
@@Habeev07 I do think something like 60-70 singleton would be interesting, forces people to get a lot more creative with the cards they use and makes consistency less likely.
I think sealed or draft is the best place to start for new formats. It puts everyone on a level playing field so new players won’t feel bad, it can be designed to limit the overly complicated cards, and it helps sell more packs so Konami can get around the singles market. New players also can build their collections over time to eventually transition to normal Yugioh.
It’s a win for everyone and I’m pretty shocked Konami doesn’t put more support into sealed/draft.
Yes! This is why I like playing Goat format... I feel like you get to actually play the game and not just turn 3 win/lose.
One thing that someone brought up that I realize is great about goat is that it’s an eternal format. You can stop playing goats for maybe a year or more, come back, and your deck will still work the same and be just as good as it was back then . Its not like modern where you have to see if any of your cards are banned or are power crept.
@@DylanHlava That is a great point. One of the few kinds of formats where investing in cards is worth it. You never have to worry about a ban list killing your most expensive card.
Problem becomes cost, especially for cards like Metamorphosis which hasn't had a printing in over a decade.
@@TheForeverRanger That is true. I was playing this game since the first set came out so I have all the cards and luckily held on to them this long :)
We need yata lock format. Goat format and zoodiac formats for competitive play
Formats I'd like to see supported -
Pauper - Only cards printed as common.
Highlander - All cards are limited.
60 Card Deck minimum
Unlimited - Only unlimited cards can be used.
Super Unlimited, Only unlimited cards, but you can have as many copies as you want.
5 Headed Dragon - 5 player free for all, the winner has to defeat the other four.
Jinzo Format - No Traps in decks
Horus Format - No Spells in decks
Law of the Normal - No effect monsters in decks.
Macro Cosmos - All cards are banished. Graveyard doesn't exist.
I’d like a character larping deck format where they have requirements and restrictions on what can be in the chosen characters deck and they utilize the traditional ban list for those events, I feel like this would be simultaneously fun and challenging for those involved plus make the legacy support they’ve been pumping out relevant
This will definitely help. I think a Commander/Singleton format could be interesting. Add multiplayer. I would maybe even get into yugioh if it happened.
Commander and singleton, 60 or 40 card decks but ban the banned/limited cards, what do you think?
I always wanted to try Generation Duel but I never got the chance too because even when I went for the year they had it, they did it in a weird way where you could only enter the tourney for each format that your deck was so You didn’t actually get to face different generations, but just other versions of your own generation. That made me sad
Just watched your video from 3 days ago. Seems this one's aged well seeing as we're getting alternate formats! Remains to be seen how well supported they are, though.
Or a deck master, like the one in the anime, they did it but was not heavily produced by konami, you can further this by making deck master like commander, except by letting you special summon your deck master at any time and if it dies you then lose the game, but a added rule is, if you use the deck masters ability, you loose 2k as a cost, there for if a card has multiple effects to use it you will lose alot of life points thus making you want to use not so heavy cards, also you can use your deck masters ability from its deck master zone. But as a added restriction you can only use it once and you still pay cost, where as if you are on the field it will be able to use it as long as you have lp, also only restrict it to monsters, not extra deck monsters, and no spell/trap
That weight class idea for deck tournaments is the most genius thing
would be cool if we just go past formats for each era of yugioh. Goat format, pre duelist genesis, pre generation force, pre duelist alliance, etc etc
i honestly just wish i can play the game to relive past eras and play with the old decks i used to love. I can run more modern decks but i’m too fueled by nostalgia to keep up with it
Like the Tier format idea (similar to how Pokémon, not the TCG version!) have tiers in the competitive formats, where the most commonly played/most powerful decks are only eligible in top tiers, but banned in lower tiers, also like the DM-era, GX-era ideas. Agree that it'll be tough to manage though...
I really like playing pure decks, i know it s cool to try some spicy things, but i think it would be nice if there were a format where everyone has to paly pure, there will not be op deck but casual players could play the deck they love with the theme they like the most
I have an idea for a format: A POINT SYSTEM.
I remember playing a lot of the old Yugioh games that gave you points after a duel to buy packs and it made me think of it. You'd be rewarded points for fulfilling specific objectives in the duel like exactly reducing an opponent's life points to 0 or performing a chain link of 4 or higher. But it could be taken a step further.
Maybe during a tournament or something each player has a "Quest List" of some kind where they need to play specific cards during a duel or doing a specific thing like destroy blue-eyes white dragon with dark magician or use a normal 4 star monster to destroy an 8 star or above monster. Once they've achieved that objective, they earn the corresponding points for that play and it gets checked off meaning they can't fulfill that objective again. The next tournament would have a new list to work with, probably based around what new sets of cards has dropped most likely, but they could always have some quests tied to old-school cards too.
Konami could even have like a "Quest Card List" where playing these cards in a duel will earn them bonus points. The cards themselves could vary in points rewarded based on difficulty of use, like playing an old-school 5 star normal monster would reward a good bit of points. Naturally, winning earns you a good deal of points as well, but only those who were able to optimize their points earned by using uncommonly played cards or performing specific actions in a duel alongside winning will earn enough to qualify for the championship.
It would be a means of encouraging using cards that aren't normally played at a higher level. I know this would be a ton of work to pull off, but it would promote interesting deck builds. Since winning duels wouldn't be enough, players would have to experiment with cards (outside of the meta) in order to earn the most amount of points they can.
The format me and friends have been playing as of late had been "Ace" format. Normal deck size, life points, ban list and board at the moment BUT it's Singleton so only one copy of each card per in deck except your Ace card which is aloud play set. It's not a completely balanced but it's very casual and slower play which reminds me twilightsworn format speed play. There's plenty of opportunity for Archetype mixing and perfect for getting older people back onto the game while letting them ease into the new rules. Very fun!
That actually sounds fun.
I think the first thing to put into perspective is that konami doesnt own yugioh, they license it in which the rights to the franchise is divided up into 4/5 different companies which is why organisation for the tcg takes so long due to communication with konami japan and the corporates invested in the game as they have to make sure that no decision will negatively tarnish the image of the game.
Over the years there has been many different variants whether we bring up battle packs, pegasus challenge, tag teams, traditional and these have been implemented to varying degrees, whether we look at the 3v3 ycs, the 3 battle pack ycs`s, the ycs side events for tag teams pegasus challenges and battle packs, the battle pack regionals, the top cut battle pack for ycs events. Not to mention the other avenues for competition over the years with the video game world championships and the more recent duel links opportunities. The issue is when comparing the figures for the ycs/ the side events or the regionals the numbers did not hold the average figures that regular events would hold. Not only this but you had complaints from people about the fact that they invested money into these cards only to not be able to play these cards as the events that they are able to go to, or that they simply played yugioh for the competitive format. To even back this up if you type in ycs sheffield ( the first battle pack ycs) you will get results of multiple videos of people complaining about the fact that they simply didnt want to play that style of format. When you get the option to put more costs into more mats or giant cards rather than printing more inventory for these side events or events in general that dont see the same success as the others it just doesnt seem monetarily sensible for these to be pushed when they can continue with the options currently available which people happily enter. This statement doesnt really apply to 3v3 ycs mostly however as you have the issue of only occured in america right now which doesnt have a consistent figure in attendance like europe within the last couple of years.
Now to move onto a more casual side of things, I think this comes more down to the community at large to be honest with you. From the sounds of things from your perspective last video it seems more like a issue whether it be attendance figures or communities not welcoming enough to allow kids etc to want to join the community more. As when a local store is not running special events whether it be regionals yugioh days or sneak peaks etc If the interest was large enough the styles of events would be on offer if they recieved enough interest from the local playerbase. Look at locals which run goat format events, If you were able to tell your store that you and everyone that was playing locals that week wanted to play only one rarity deck or a slightly different style event and you could prove that the playerbase would be interested and show up the store would be more than inclined to help out as it would be in there interest to oblige as thats a source of revenue for them. Like how you have die hard commander fans in magic. One example I can personally say is there was a locals in which we had lower figures than normal and everyone there at the time said they would be ok to play yugioh cube instead of constucted we let the store know that this is what we wanted to do instead of locals that week and they were more than happy to allow us to do that and keep that as an option in the future if we wanted to.
Yes! Exactly how I feel. I want back and forth, not watching someone do a lengthy OP combo. Thanks for showing a different perspective.
We HAVE alternate formats! There's advanced, traditional, speed duels, structure deck tournaments... there were tag duels and team duels (tag was shared fields and shared lp between teammates, teams was 3v3 first team to 3, wins) there was another official format called the generational duels which each player would choose a generation they'd represent and could only use cards that represent those generations. (DM era only get older ritual monsters, like 4 fusions to choose from and no other extra decks. Gx, only fusion. Etc.)
2 vs 2 duels were epic playing on Dueling Nexus so much crazy things happened xD
I like a format with only one type of summoning. You can choose between link fusion xyz and synchro
Agreed 100% with this video. Paul I think you and the guys are in a prime position to inspire change. I Love the sealed and draft formats you guys put out. Magic has gained a lot of success from the other formats that are popular to players. I play all 3 games, and when it comes to magic I got back into it when I learned about Pauper and Commander formats. The player base longed for official support from WOTC and finally got it. Player can hold pauper tournaments and Commander grew enough for it to have its own committee. The committee sets a banned list and keeps the players interest and love of the game. I feel like the Yugitubers and our player base could use this for whatever format we show interest in
Great idea. They or we should add anime format Yu-Gi-Oh Where you don’t have to tribute monsters maybe even be able to normal summon more then one monster a turn 😂😂😂 the way Yugi taught us
10:00 as someone who used to play Hearthstone for years: bad idea. Just leads to the same cards being released every 2-3 years with just a different name.
Feels like a waste of money when you need to buy the „exact same card“ just because the former was ruled out.
Pretty much like the problem in speed duels but with a name change.
Ties together with the new player video. I think they should have Duel Links as a paper format. Easier and cheaper to get into while still allowing a lot of cool decks.
....that's literally what Speed Duels is. A huge reason why Speed Duels is struggling is due to it being 2-3 years behind the meta of Duel Links.
@@fawfulmark2 Yes, that is my point. Don't limit cards to only Speed Duel releases and keep it up to date with Duel Links.
I think a format akin to MTG's commander (my favorite format) would be cool for yugioh. Perhaps you pick a monster card and build your entire deck around 3 copies of it and abusing it in all sorts of interesting ways. Maybe its singleton after the 3 copies of your "commander". Idk, something like that sounds fun. Opens lots of new deck building options and meme decks which are always the most fun decks to play in my opinion.
The worst thing they did was having Speed Duel as a "format" that can not use normal cards...
It would have been so much more fun if they supported the cards they already printed, like a truly different format with maybe its own banlist + the skills sold in packs dedicated with Speed Duels "staples". Or supported with products like the SD: Battle City box but with a focus on skills which truly are the only thing that prevents players from start playing Speed Duels with the cards they already own
But yes, as a Draft lover, I'm all for different formats officially supported. The killing of Battle packs was such a sad decision...
Other formats would be pretty cool but rotation is the only thing I'm completely close minded about, I understand the benefits it would bring but I hate the idea.
Tag duels, 3v3, the single rarity decks, maybe archetype-only decks, pauper maybe, limited I think it's the one where you can only have 1 copy of each card in your deck, draft, I'm all up for stuff like that.
Agreed. I'm open to see Konami try some different formats but I would hate if one of the officially supported ones was a set rotation.
Pauper doesn't work for YGO since cards are printed at different rarities all the time. By not having cards at a set rarity and using their holographic cards as a rarity system instead of just an aesthetic upgrade, YGO locked its self out of pauper as a reasonable format from the beginning.
I Wish the had a format where you only Can have fusion cards In your extra deck like the old days
Monarchs tier 0.
Great video. I think the way formats are handled in yu-gi-oh! is an important thing to think about going forward. I just don't see the current model, with complexity continiously growing, as being sustainable.
I think Speed Duels could have been a great alternative format, but the fact that speed duel and original yu-gi-oh cards could not be used interchangeably ruined any potential speed duels had. Because of that choice, konami was basically competing against itself: you either play speed duels or Yu-Gi-Oh! but you can't buy speed duel product to slowly build a yu-gi-oh! collection to get into the original format or the other way way around. It's a shame too because Duel Links offered an easy way into the format. On top of that I think Speed Duels offered a really nice way of giving less powerful or less played arechtypes a chance by selectively introducing cards into the format.
Converserly, I think formats based on rotation or a slected pool of sets is a poor fit fro yu-gi-oh!. Goat format works because it largely consists of sets from before archetype focused design. If rotation or set based formats are to become a think, they way yu-gi-oh! booster sets are designed would need to be overhauled.
Have you ever played Duelists of the Roses? I've always wanted to see something like the Deck Cost system be implemented to prevent overloading with so many good cards at once.
Here's the alt format I thought I'm going to aces short
basics
0. Multiplayer casual have fun
1. 59 card singleton format with one ace card or skill card.
2. skill cards can be any skill from duel links or speed duels as long as the card wouldn't increase any players deck size about 59
3. an ace card is any card and would be placed in skill zone. Any time you would draw a card you can add your ace card yo your hand. When an ace card is removed from the field place it in the skill zone. For each additional time you add your ace to your hand you have to discard 1addtinal card.
4. one special summon per turn
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I wish we had a format that you had to pick an archetype and only use cards in that archetype. Then all generic cards that aren’t archetype specific everyone can use.
Honestly, traditional is probably the only one I could see Konami supporting, or maybe a draft set like the battle packs. Yu-gi-oh is just a weird game to make alternate formats for because it's hard to balance the game without just adding arbitrary rules to it. You could limit summons, but there are weaker decks that summon a lot (Lyrilusc) and strong ones that summon very little (Guru/Draco).
You could do things based on time period, but most formats of Yu-gi-oh's past had a very defined meta that would limit what could be played. Like yeah everyone like Duelist Alliance, but there's like 4 real decks to play. That doesn't solve the issue of of stale meta. Also Konami would have to decide what time period the alternate format would have, and I can't really imagine them doing that.
The only alt formats that have significant player backing are things like Goat, which doesn't really let you use newer but weaker decks (Duel Avatar for example) or Trinity which has its own host of weird deck building rules and restrictions. Hard problem to fix
My main gripe with the Game is what you said about not being able to keep up if you use the lower tier decks or don’t play meta. Of course Meta the obvious choice for the victors, if you do not play the matter than you essentially lose, and that makes the game not even fun. it’s not like Pokémon where you can still play with your favorites and still have a fighting chance, if I did that I would go 0-8 at tournaments. and then there is of course the problem of buying these new cards that fit the meta. I just wish there wasn’t a “correct answer"to victory in this game
i have thought alot about this "how to fix the game" and i agree with everything you say there should be different tier torny but rather than just allow certain decks into differ formats how about making formats with edited rules e.g. a format that limits time per turn or limits summons also i think rather than having a banlist where the certain cards are band , a combo banlist would be better cos it would still allow you to use cards that are band but not with other cards i really think this would help the game alot . i hope korami listens to you Paul
Generation duels would be cool
So me and my friends would play 4 way free for all duels all the time in the DM era. We had a rule that you can't attack a player until they've had their first turn, but you can start attacking any player that has already played their first turn. It definitely made for a lot of fun and unspoken strategy between everyone. Example, my friend tyler ran a op exodia deck (atleast compared to our decks) so sometimes without saying a word we'd focus on him to knock him out before he got his last piece, but at the same time you gotta strike the other two so they can't build a strong board. Which would also build vendettas amongst us in the game (bro you wiped my field and tyler is about to win....alright I got you next turn bro 😂😂😂) man those were the days. Yall should try 4-way duels, definitely a good time
@6:24 someone has been reading ocg structures
Sealed pools that play as speed duels? That could be interesting?
Also MTG has something called Canadian Highlander where you have a 100 card deck with 1-ofs. Also the powerful cards have point values so you can't include all the busted stuff. Could be fun for letting players mess with banned cards.
They used to do 15 card decks made with sneak preview packs.
So
10 Monsters.
5 Traps.
5 Spells.
What konami could do is talk with the community on making a base ruleset for a new format and make the rest on the community ( for example EDH from MTG was a community made format that WoTC now supports with its own card or even ppl can use cards from the past with a smaller ban list ) konami can then make cards that can be used in normal YGO but are mainly for the new format, what do you think team APS?
I totally agree with the weight class system I think that would be perfect addition to the game
They have implemented those in the past i think the problem is that once sellings are done they don't support it much longer and very few people get into it, just look at speed duels the newest alternative format is not doing very well and may be discontinued if dosnt get a decent playerbase.
I haven't played yugioh in 2 years, in my local store I remember seeing a nometa duel format, on which they just banned meta arquetipes and all that
It is crazy that Yugioh has existed so long yet only has one supported format, when competitors embrace multiple formats, especially Magic.
I think Traditional could easily get more support. Vintage is a format in Magic. It's a similar concept. Tag duels have a lot of potential and drafting is my favourite thing about other card games. I wish there were more draft packs available, if we can't make regular Yugioh packs draftable.
Konami need to figure out their "smaller, faster" duel format. It's a fun concept, but at the moment we have Duel Links, which is virtual only, Speed Duels, which seem DoA, and Rush Duels, which also seem DoA here in Japan (at least from what I can tell locally) but is being pushed heavily. I think they should stop trying to get you to buy whole new cards for the format and just have Duel Links in paper. Have a list of legal cards on the website, have a ban list, maybe print all the skill cards that can exist outside the game if you must flog something (I guess they could sell playmats as well) and then have the Duel Links format.
My last thought is that Yugioh needs its premier casual format. Magic has EDH. I think a lot of the concepts could apply. Maybe not the General themselves (how do you increase the tax without a resource like mana? Tributes?), but the multiplayer with a larger, singleton deck concept would work well in Yugioh. You could have 60 card singleton decks. The only downside is that Yugioh cards aren't formatted to handle more than one opponent or two players, unlike Magic, but could easily be errata'd to do so and it could be a change in policy for future card design.
Trinity Format is pretty good!
For example, choose 2 anime series and play based on that format!
GX and 5Ds! Only cards from those 2 are allowed, everything else forbidden! Or Arc V and Vrains! Same thing! Or Zexal and classical Yugioh! That would be fun!
Like, real life cards and anime cards released during any 2 of the selected eras of yugioh.....
Komoney in a way did that. It was never really supported and everyone just wanted to play zoo and true dracos (around the time I stopped playing the game).
@@X420BlazeNoScope Why is everyone a super duper ultra competitive meta slave, dear God....It's not all about winning, it's about enjoying and having fun playing the game, not negating your opponents whole field, actually attacking and not relying on monster and card effects to destroy, banish or whatever.....When I was a kid I had so much fun with my friends playing Yugioh in the same way anime characters did(not exactly but you get the point)....We actually fought with monsters during a duel non stop, we had few cards that destroyed or banished, no negations and hand traps.....We simply played against each other based on the monsters ATK, but these days ATK doesn't matter at all since every monster has card effect protection, can't be destroyed by battle, can't be banished, adds any card from deck to hand and such.....
Infinitrack and Dark Magicians are my two favorite decks to play. All Konami has to do to fix Yugioh is make all Fusion, Synchro, Xyz, and Link summoned monsters architype specific. That's the only way to balance all these broken 20 chain first turn combo win cheese decks. Once they Errata all the generic summoning materials off of those cards, then they can more easily keep a eye on which architypes are still broken and make ban lists based off of that. They can keep the main deck cards as is for the most part, but these damn extra deck monsters need to get under control. The game is way less enjoyable then it was back in the day.
I always have anime/manga character duels. I live for that shit
What you are saying at about 9:35 in is exactly what I would love to see
I have group of guys I meet up weekly and we pretty much exclusively play doubles, I find it waaay more fun than singles
I'm trying to create formulas for how good card effects and mechanics, would be easier to find out how the odds are with 2 players going up against each other.
There is a traditional format with no banned cards. Also there are past formats but only goat(which is sad and i know you mentioned goat) is recognized by Konami. Of course I would like Konami to add more formats like an official highlander format and other past formats.
I also forgot they have official side events which is structure decks only that i seen in duel extravaganzas.
@@WShoup9818 GOAT as far as I am concerned never was Knowledge by konami
@@BirdmanTCG was in an official side event during duel extravaganza.
@@BirdmanTCG but yes they never actually said it's an official format tho but as i said above they allowed it as a win a mat official event during extravaganzas.