The first engine should have used the master stream within 30 seconds to knock down the fire until a supply line could be established and use hose lines after that.
@David Was it that ass clown running around in the sweatshirt cursing at everything and everybody? No leadership skills whatsoever. Pathetic, all he was concerned with was getting pictures so he can embellish his war stories.
Pretty bad when a civilian like me can easily spot incompetence and poor training with this fire department. There seems to be no direction and poor execution. Appeared the initial crews where not sure what to do.
@@keithkinna2164 Keith, I cannot judge the tactical situation or specific procedures for fighting fires. However, even without my 20+ years in management and leading teams it’s obvious there is confusion, poor execution, and poor leadership here. You don’t have to be a firefighter to recognize this. That’s not a personal attack against these firefighters. I also understand levels of training or lack of training is at the mercy of budgets. Also, the “your not a firefighter, police officer, military, etc.” so don’t understand line, seems to be used too many times in these professions as an excuse not to be open to recognizing issues or improving.
Well at least one of the early arriving firefighters knew how to drop F-bombs left & right. He was on a roll barking out orders while walking in circles F this & F that. 😂😂😂
Syosset is a village and therefore cannot have a professional paid fire department. That is there is no legal entity to write the checks. This is a Vol FD and yes it is supported by a mil levy, and one comment said that it was well equipped. Voters will be happy to approve a few mils for equipment, but there is no way they can pay all of these guys. If this operates like our town, then the fire chief is whoever will accept the job. Training is hit and miss. They are not going to dismiss as member because he does not or cannot make it to training sessions (if any). When this is the case, every member must know almost every job. The engine should have rolled in and the fire attacked with the 'garden-hose' while the driver/engineer connects the engine to the water supply and starts the pumps. There should have been at least three hoses on the fire before the first truck arrives. The engine should be the first beast out of the barn, but what if the truck company is ready first. Do they go with what they have, or do they swing over to the engine. Where I live members are not assigned to vehicles but to the department: the engine always rolls first, and I am not sure if we even have a ladder truck.
Ok, so why no water on the fire for an extended period? Were we waiting for a tower ladder? Then you pull an 1 3/4 ? This was a 2 1/2 all the way. Then standing in the driveway operating the stream ?
I don’t even know what to say 🤦🏻♂️ 2.5 should’ve been the first thing they did period!!! Wait for a bucket 🤷🏻♂️ if they had an engine there first they deserve a smack to the head 🤣🤣
@@kristofersmith5476 I think this is the rear. ASSuming maybe the engine is on side A maybe. However It did hurt me to see them misting the fire with a 13/4 from 2 football fields away.
@@keithkinna2164 , regardless they lost the place themselves 🤦🏻♂️ Their initial attack should’ve been that garage and they wouldn’t of lost that place 🤷🏻♂️ lack of training hands down.
Lack of situational awareness perhaps. You can see the first person to arrive wearing SCBA ( suggesting he arrived on an apparatus) announce that he wanted a tower ladder. Perhaps that foreclosed the possibility of mounting an alternative attack. That dept BTW is very well resourced. Maybe not their best performance.
I'm glad I don't live in that town the shame all the firefighters are doing is cursing each other even look like they were arguing there for a little bit I've really feel sorry for those people in that town with that fire department
Had me wondering. I saw guys with air walking around but, no trucks or gear. Just kind of walking around. Might have helped if they had gotten just one hose going.
Here what I see, they put the most effort into getting the ladder truck into service. They could have had one of the guys that was standing around to get one more handline in service, that would of helped a lot but I was not there. I don't know the size of this department but I see smaller department that don't get to use their ladders rush to use them when other thing could have been done instead. You only can criticize so much since non of us were there.
Hier kann man gut sehen warum Holz das schlechteste Baumaterial ist welches man wählen kann. In Deutschland zum Beispiel wäre das Feuer durch die dicken Außenwände nicht auf die Nachbargebäude übergelaufen oder hätten leicht geschützt werden können. Aber hauptsache günstig.
Das ist in den USA nicht hauptsächlich eine Frage von Preis, sondern von Verfügbarkeit: Holz bekommt man halt überall. Außerdem gehören diese Häuser zum Lebensgefühl. Ich würde darin aber auch nicht wohnen wollen :)
And, all of your ridiculous flashing lights on the bucket do absolutely no good. Steady, white flood lights will help you see, something. Looking like a flying saucer is useless.
Vol dept, get it. No excuse for drill level way behind the standard.4:55, still no water. In Germany most towns have only volunteer FF. Nevertheless, drill is all you need to execute what is ordered by the chief. Deck gun engagment would reduce the spread and help to knock it down after hand lines in operation. Very poor performance, chief.
Germany has a population of about 80 million. America has about 340 million. Germany also has almost as many fire fighters as the US. Not only that, but the structures you have in Germany aren’t like the ones in America. They take different tactical approaches.
Can you please explain from your pos why it took so long to get water on the target? Deck gun malfunction or no deck gun present on engine? Misterious.
When I trained to be a firefighter I was taught to get a line inside as soon as possible! Get to the seat of the fire ASAP. Who is training these people? Every fire I've seen in Syosset has been the same; stand outside and spray water. These people need a better training officer!
Just wait for the tower ladder to start? 🤦🏻♂️. Seems all they were concerned with was getting that truck. Meanwhile the hose jockeys were just moping around. And it looked like guys with fire radios strapped on just filming?
I'm just amazed. There's little sense of urgency on the fireground. Three guys on a solid bore handline getting their asses kicked (technique). No interior operations that I could see. No roof operations. An abundance of fire in the rear, yet I saw no water being projected up and over the structure from the rear and onto the crews in the front. There are too many people on the outside (outside specialists) wandering or gathering without assignment. I'm sorry, guys, but your Incident Command is non-existent and is failing you and the citizens. If nothing else, each one of your personnel showing up in whatever order they show, should already have an idea of what it is that they are going to do, by the type of rig they're on, and by the order in which they arrive (if rescue isn't imminent).
It’s so funny to see comments about the fire fighters not getting the water on the fire fast enough. I just saw three videos of fires in other countries and it took about 18 minutes for their firefighters to show up. This wasn’t the best department but they did what they had to do. I can show you a video in Camas, WA where the firefighters had a one and a half inch line on the fire within 30 seconds upon arrival. Guess what? It was a total loss too
This is some of the worst firefighting I’ve ever seen. You had guys on scene early in snd 5 mins in still no water. I don’t get it. Use a deck gun in the mean time I mean come on guys
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The first engine should have used the master stream within 30 seconds to knock down the fire until a supply line could be established and use hose lines after that.
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Yup.
These guys are clown shows. Worst Dept I’ve seen yet.
I've seen bad fire fighting but this is just about the worse I've ever witnessed. If you don't have good fire insurance in this town, you are crazy.
That's true everywhere.
Who ever was in charge of this fire situation,needs to go back to the Fire Academy, and learn how to put out a fire.
@David
Was it that ass clown running around in the sweatshirt cursing at everything and everybody? No leadership skills whatsoever. Pathetic, all he was concerned with was getting pictures so he can embellish his war stories.
There was no command presence at all smh 🤦🏽♂️
@@ThaBibb to
Absolutely the worst attack by a fire department.....ever
Pretty bad when a civilian like me can easily spot incompetence and poor training with this fire department.
There seems to be no direction and poor execution. Appeared the initial crews where not sure what to do.
Keep being a civilian. You can't tell very much tactically from this video. You ain't seeing the whole picture.
@@keithkinna2164 Keith, I cannot judge the tactical situation or specific procedures for fighting fires. However, even without my 20+ years in management and leading teams it’s obvious there is confusion, poor execution, and poor leadership here. You don’t have to be a firefighter to recognize this.
That’s not a personal attack against these firefighters. I also understand levels of training or lack of training is at the mercy of budgets.
Also, the “your not a firefighter, police officer, military, etc.” so don’t understand line, seems to be used too many times in these professions as an excuse not to be open to recognizing issues or improving.
Well at least one of the early arriving firefighters knew how to drop F-bombs left & right. He was on a roll barking out orders while walking in circles F this & F that. 😂😂😂
The incompetence on display in this vid is staggering.
Syosset is a village and therefore cannot have a professional paid fire department. That is there is no legal entity to write the checks. This is a Vol FD and yes it is supported by a mil levy, and one comment said that it was well equipped. Voters will be happy to approve a few mils for equipment, but there is no way they can pay all of these guys. If this operates like our town, then the fire chief is whoever will accept the job. Training is hit and miss. They are not going to dismiss as member because he does not or cannot make it to training sessions (if any). When this is the case, every member must know almost every job. The engine should have rolled in and the fire attacked with the 'garden-hose' while the driver/engineer connects the engine to the water supply and starts the pumps. There should have been at least three hoses on the fire before the first truck arrives.
The engine should be the first beast out of the barn, but what if the truck company is ready first. Do they go with what they have, or do they swing over to the engine. Where I live members are not assigned to vehicles but to the department: the engine always rolls first, and I am not sure if we even have a ladder truck.
This is Long Island. Most departments are volunteer.
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Damn the firefighters on the hose looks like they were being handled by the hose. 😂😂😂Like dang get ya footing right and get water on the fire 😂😂
How far can you stand away from a fire while trying to knock it down ? I'm guessing 20'
Is there a law in the USA that says all buildings have to be built with highly flammable materials, only an idiot would clad buildings with plastic
Two questions:
1. Why didn't the residents move their cars when the fire started?
2. What's creating the intense blue and pink flames?
Blue flames indicate a gas fed fire
Ok, so why no water on the fire for an extended period? Were we waiting for a tower ladder?
Then you pull an 1 3/4 ? This was a 2 1/2 all the way. Then standing in the driveway operating the stream ?
I don’t even know what to say 🤦🏻♂️ 2.5 should’ve been the first thing they did period!!! Wait for a bucket 🤷🏻♂️ if they had an engine there first they deserve a smack to the head 🤣🤣
@@kristofersmith5476 I think this is the rear. ASSuming maybe the engine is on side A maybe. However It did hurt me to see them misting the fire with a 13/4 from 2 football fields away.
@@keithkinna2164 , regardless they lost the place themselves 🤦🏻♂️ Their initial attack should’ve been that garage and they wouldn’t of lost that place 🤷🏻♂️ lack of training hands down.
Could you see all angles? No. No. Maybe. Doubtful. Yes. Your zipper is open.
@@RLTtizME 😂🤣
How about an engine and a deck gun? Why wait on a tower unit? Makes no sense. Volunteer firefighter of 32 years just asking.
Lack of situational awareness perhaps. You can see the first person to arrive wearing SCBA ( suggesting he arrived on an apparatus) announce that he wanted a tower ladder. Perhaps that foreclosed the possibility of mounting an alternative attack. That dept BTW is very well resourced. Maybe not their best performance.
I'm glad I don't live in that town the shame all the firefighters are doing is cursing each other even look like they were arguing there for a little bit I've really feel sorry for those people in that town with that fire department
I saw that dude dropping F-bombs while walking in circles 😂😂😂
Had me wondering. I saw guys with air walking around but, no trucks or gear. Just kind of walking around. Might have helped if they had gotten just one hose going.
When you see blue flames that’s not good
Must be the 3 Stooges Fire Department. Terrible job at getting water on the fire.
Not great showing even though it’s a volunteer dept. I didn’t watch the whole video. Did they ever get more than one hand line on the fire?
Here what I see, they put the most effort into getting the ladder truck into service. They could have had one of the guys that was standing around to get one more handline in service, that would of helped a lot but I was not there. I don't know the size of this department but I see smaller department that don't get to use their ladders rush to use them when other thing could have been done instead. You only can criticize so much since non of us were there.
WTH do they expect to do standing back that far with that little hand line?!
Stupid leadership, the deck gun would have knocked the fire down and given them time to setup hand lines and other priorities!
looks like they SCREWED the POOCH?
the fire dept is there and no atempt to put it out
Hier kann man gut sehen warum Holz das schlechteste Baumaterial ist welches man wählen kann. In Deutschland zum Beispiel wäre das Feuer durch die dicken Außenwände nicht auf die Nachbargebäude übergelaufen oder hätten leicht geschützt werden können. Aber hauptsache günstig.
Das ist in den USA nicht hauptsächlich eine Frage von Preis, sondern von Verfügbarkeit: Holz bekommt man halt überall. Außerdem gehören diese Häuser zum Lebensgefühl. Ich würde darin aber auch nicht wohnen wollen :)
Oh well, it will burn out before these guys get water on it.
Thanks guys!
And, all of your ridiculous flashing lights on the bucket do absolutely no good. Steady, white flood lights will help you see, something. Looking like a flying saucer is useless.
You know how dumb you sound
Are these guys for realz 🤦🏻♂️ waited all that time for a bucket 🤷🏻♂️ Plz tell me I’m wrong and that first piece wasn’t an engine???
Vol dept, get it. No excuse for drill level way behind the standard.4:55, still no water. In Germany most towns have only volunteer FF. Nevertheless, drill is all you need to execute what is ordered by the chief. Deck gun engagment would reduce the spread and help to knock it down after hand lines in operation. Very poor performance, chief.
Heir Michael....scram. Keep those reparations coming.
Germany has a population of about 80 million. America has about 340 million. Germany also has almost as many fire fighters as the US. Not only that, but the structures you have in Germany aren’t like the ones in America. They take different tactical approaches.
Meanwhile Bob is singlehandedly putting the fire out.
Some need to use a deck gun to dump some major water 1st
I was there on was on the 1st due ladder
Can you please explain from your pos why it took so long to get water on the target? Deck gun malfunction or no deck gun present on engine? Misterious.
When I trained to be a firefighter I was taught to get a line inside as soon as possible! Get to the seat of the fire ASAP. Who is training these people? Every fire I've seen in Syosset has been the same; stand outside and spray water. These people need a better training officer!
Yes! Aggressive interior attacks save time, lives and property.
2:40 Oh no, the house is on fire. We need more.... cameras!!!
Just wait for the tower ladder to start? 🤦🏻♂️. Seems all they were concerned with was getting that truck. Meanwhile the hose jockeys were just moping around. And it looked like guys with fire radios strapped on just filming?
Why don't people move their cars?
No deck gun and only 1 hand line for an initial attack,,,,maybe they don't have a deck gun. Lucky the whole complex didn't go up in flames.
Just sad is all I can think of saying.
Somebody forgot it was their turn to bring the water
Water helps
They ask me why I don't want to move to a townhouse.
OMG. HOW TERRIBLE
been watching this fire for 22 minutes and no water WTF?
Total screw up by this department!!!
Pissing in the wind with that worthless line !!! SMH
Chaos
Guess you can't buy common sense? Thought I was watching a control burn first!
Nice work
What in the H!!! is this?? Please give me a LEADER!!
I'm sure glad I don't live in Syosset NY.
Wow nice. Lights patriotic
Wow…SMH
The guy in the grey sweatshirt a chief?
No he is not.
@@johnkrut1555 10-4
fire clowns !!!!!
I'm just amazed. There's little sense of urgency on the fireground. Three guys on a solid bore handline getting their asses kicked (technique). No interior operations that I could see. No roof operations. An abundance of fire in the rear, yet I saw no water being projected up and over the structure from the rear and onto the crews in the front. There are too many people on the outside (outside specialists) wandering or gathering without assignment. I'm sorry, guys, but your Incident Command is non-existent and is failing you and the citizens. If nothing else, each one of your personnel showing up in whatever order they show, should already have an idea of what it is that they are going to do, by the type of rig they're on, and by the order in which they arrive (if rescue isn't imminent).
It’s so funny to see comments about the fire fighters not getting the water on the fire fast enough. I just saw three videos of fires in other countries and it took about 18 minutes for their firefighters to show up. This wasn’t the best department but they did what they had to do. I can show you a video in Camas, WA where the firefighters had a one and a half inch line on the fire within 30 seconds upon arrival. Guess what? It was a total loss too
This is some of the worst firefighting I’ve ever seen. You had guys on scene early in snd 5 mins in still no water. I don’t get it. Use a deck gun in the mean time I mean come on guys