I recall in one of Kie's stream he was trying to chase the world record holder to set a lap time for the Sardegna race and he couldn't explain why the ghost was taking off at the final corner. He suspected it has something to do with the session conditions but couldn't prove it at the time. This seems to corroborate his gutfeelings on this. That the conditions vary in some way from session to session. I support the shot gun qualifier before each race. As it also allows people to start from the back if they wanted to by just forfeiting the quali lap. Dunno if PD is receptive to that as they seem to be doing their own thing...
I noticed this when we had race A at SSRX, you could see the temperature in cockpit view of one of the cars (IIRC the AMG) and it was different every time you entered and changes as you drive along. The cooler it was the more engine power and higher top speed.
My dream would be a Daily Race D. - 20 Cars (or more) - 5 minutes qualifying - 30 - 45 minutes race - 1 mandatory pit stop - Repairing damage costs time in the pits I think it's better if you have to do a new qualifying time before every race. It makes it much more exciting and interesting.
100%. The longer the race, the more the average player in that lobby actually cares about racing. I don’t even bother with Daily Race B anymore for that reason. The variance in player base makes it so that it’s a crapshoot whether you get a good race or you get taken out Turn 1 by someone who can’t handle being overtaken.
I thought this might have been the case and I think you may have proven it Tidge. Struggled to keep up all week in quali and then just got the right session today and instantly back on pace. I agree in race quali would be better but PD should at least ensure all sessions in quali are equal temp/ conditions .
This is why using dashboard apps for tyre temps is important at the moment. You can see tyre temps for leaderboards when you watch replay. And check that your own tyre's are the same temperature. Another way to solve it is actually being able to see the temperature when doing daily time trail. We can only see the wind conditions.
@@muller_cj3941 I would presume they don't want to much information for the casual or new player. Where as a player that takes the game more seriously would get the apps.
For VR-users dashboard-apps are unfortunately no solution at all. But we are used to having not the least bit on tactical relevant information available. (Leaderboards and info when opponents pit …)
Interesting. So just as a question really, tyre temps don't vary from lap 1 to 10 but they still show the starting temp which I assume is upto temp? I've not tried the apps as they aren't "Official" so to speak so genuinely curious.
I haven't tested this yet but i think this is happening because of the different climate physic or the road temperature physics, which is connected to the grip. This may be because of the temperature difference on the road surface where sunlight is more, those places may get more grip (like the road physic after a rain).. something like that... Not 100% sure but this must be tested. I will post the result below my comment later.
I just started playing GT on and off for a year now. I’m not fully committing my time or interest to video games in general but the level of consistency and speed you have is amazing. Every time you post, I compare my lap times to you and I’m consistently 2 Or more seconds off. I’ll know I’m quick once I can get within a second
A while ago we had Gr.2 on Softs at Spa on daily race B. A sunny session was worth at least a second a lap compared to a cloudy session. It even got slower the longer you went on the sunny session!
This is something I was wondering about myself, you did a good job explaining it. Sometimes, in between daily races I jump into qualifying to try and improve my time, just to end up asking how did I managed to do a lap 0.7s faster than I'm currently doing? GT7 HUD doesn't display all of the information that the game actually evaluates, so maybe having a phone with the telemetry app next to you might help to identify godlike sessions and their parameters. I'm just hoping this is not a core game engine issue with physics or timing measurements, because that would be a tough one to debug and solve.
Yep.. unfortunately I go in and out of sessions to find the right conditions. Of course you have to do a few laps to confirm (at least for me, who isn't as consistent as you), but it absolutely makes a huge difference. Thanks for pointing out to PD that this is a problem
Thanks for answering what I've been puzzled about for a while. Exactly the same tt at sardegna, I exited for a while, came back and couldn't get near my best time. Thanks Tidge, saved me loads of wasted time!! Cheers
I've noticed this on Grand Valley, I was 5km/h slower at the end of the straight. I also spend some time on time trials and no matter what I do, couldn't get those 5km/h. Thanks for this video, it says a lot.
Qualifing before the race is probably a time issue, there won't be 3 daily As and Bs per hour anymore and much shorter Daily Cs. Ok, they could give us more slots eg. 00/15/30/45 lasting 25 to 30 minutes, so you could maybe enter the over/next slot to qualify... But anyway, too much effort for PD... Thanks for vid, always like to watch! Cheers!
I've always felt like some sessions had more grip than others, glad to see you make this video. I think it happens in online lap time challenges too. Today at the Seaside online time trial I started off and the Gr3 Ferrari just didn't feel the same, felt like it had more understeer on corner entry and that I couldn't get the power down as well, my lap times where much slower. I exited restarted and the Ferrari instantly felt better, less understeer and I could get the power down easier. My times where 3 tenths better and the car it self felt better.
I was wondering today why sometimes my ghost would dust me. I started playing this thing a little over two months ago (longtime GT fan), but a lot of you had it for what two years and just now finding this? The GT addiction is real lmao I love this. Hope PD fixes it!
I was made aware of this some time ago. There was a 15 lap Endurance in Gr3 round Spa in Dec last year. I was at the top of friends leaderboard for some time. Then all of a sudden my time was beaten by 30 seconds I should clarify the race involved a wet spell. It turned out that by doing this reset eventually you could get a session with no rain??! I've not bothered with any of the time trials/races or dailies since as its a joke that this is possible. This was a TT event and not a daily race but the bug still exists... Great content as always 👏
Amazing work discovering this Tidgney! It would be really interesting to get someone to do a huge 50-100 lap samples between resets and then to conduct analysis on them (ie find the differences)
maaan you're putting in the work :D appreciate the effort man. We can't change this so I guess resetting is just one of the things you have to try now.
I've been banging on about this for months Tidgney! I hate the fact that TT's aren't a fair playing field for everyone, The wind direction for example was ridiculous at Spa Gr.4 recently, Spending half hour entering and exiting just to get a decent wind direction... Drives me nuts tbh. I just want to set a time and race, but you spend most your time going through hundreds of menu's which ultimately makes you switch off... Great Vid as always 👌
I think it might be connected to air and road temps being a bit different in different sessions. Even cloud cover and amount of sunlight might play a role. This would then cause tyres to heat and cool differently, which kinda makes sense. Maybe this is how PD imagined road condition variety... I think I remember restarting a session some time ago at Dragon Trail Gardens to get less sunshine so tyres wouldn't overheat, which would allow me to push more. Edit: having a second thought.. Did PD really implement the temperature of engine air intake? (colder, more dense air = more oxygen = more power)
This doesn’t surprise me at all. Race B this week and on a number of other races, I haven’t been able to get anywhere near my quali time during the race - totally baffled but now I know why. Thanks Tidge 👌👏👍
Great video, Tidgney. I don't have the skill nor the consistency to prove my suspicions re certain aspects of the game, so it's great that someone who does have the required skill is actually bothering to do such a systematic study of the game mechanics.
Cheers mate, appreciate the comment! Not as skilled as I used to be due to playing less, well actually doing more content but I try to do my best with discoveries/information/entertainment
After many hours of quali sessions I can agree, that the sessions are different. I also thought it’s the temperature, so I look for Sessions with the least clouds. Good stuff as always!
I tried that cloud trick at watkins when I discovered it, I could not figure out any form of way to identify it :(. Best I've done is look at lighting of the track and look for extremes
Yeah totally agree that makes sense. Thanks for pointing it out Tidge, reckon that will gain me some tenths for sure. Agreed with the idea of quali on daily races. Even if they just do a quali for race C or something it would suit us busy folk who can only jump on once maybe twice a week. It's carnage trying to get my DR up so I think this would be a great addition! Looks like I'm not alone either 💪🤙 put it forward!!!! 🤜🤛
What I don’t understand is why the sector position has changed? Surely the sector line is just after the 500m board. Not when you hit 164mph. Why is the sector line suddenly at the 600m board?
I did the speed test on watkins as it ticked over to 164 to show the difference as to where the car is in relation to the circuit in reality they should be very close to each other.
Great vid tidge, i have noticed exactly this too with lap times, i wondered whether it may have something to do with loading of the tracks via the internet or PSX when restarting and reloading, maybe some kid of loading glitch allows for a variation in tolerances regarding track grip weather wind etc or even vehicle stats changing slightly or even BOP variances....... could be something miniscule or literally anything but as you said 1/10th can make a huge difference.....
There's information we are missing that may influence performance, Tyre Temperature, air temperature, and track temp, If this is the case, it needs to be added somewhere, so you can see it. My only sensible guess for why it happens is one of those three conditions changes, There's an app that gives tyre temps, if you did not know. The best solution is Qualy Sessions before the race,
I noticed this at spa much worse than this. If I did the lap in a free qualifying session I was 8mph slower over the back than if I did it in-between races ??? Thought it was wind direction 🤔🤔🤔 great video and info as always Tidge 👍 this needs to be a even playing field all qualifying needs to be same conditions right through or qualifying before each race and only hold practice records for info.
Ps spa may be a good test next time it's Round as if it's a temp/engine power issue then you loose getting up the hill and down the straight, if it's also a tyre temp/grip issue it would probably be worse than its showing on tighter tracks 🤔. Anyway yes especially if you work full time and have really limited spare time to get your best lap in we haven't time to keep restarting sessions PD need to sort that out ASAP 👍
Hey Tidge, I actually made a video about this 5 months ago (somehow on watkins gr3 too), temperature is for sure a thing and you can check it in the cockpit of certain cars. I heard that this week they finally solved the issue for the daily races but we will have to see how they handle it in the future...
@@tidgney yes for sure! I always avoid timetrials where temperature is random, because there is no fun for me in it, and even when you have good temperature, it doesn't feel as good when you get a good lap because you know it might've been all from the temps.
sometimes PD seems like they dont know, what they want. Putting dynamic weather into timetrials for no reason. Why dont the simply make a button for practising in race conditions, so you dont have to open a lobby and a second button with static weather for time trialing?! Nice video tidge!
This is crazy , taking notes though for sure thank you because I could not for the life of me figure out the problem. I still suck but at least I suck a little less than before
Brilliant video! I had also been baffled by differences of times in time trial? PD have to change this! As someone who doesn’t have a great deal of spare time for time trial. This is a disappointing discovery ☹️ I would also love to have some sort of qualifying for each race. Maybe with slipstream off and all cars ghosted? Otherwise, qualifying in lower lobbies would be chaos. Otherwise… equal mode needs to be on. Thanks for this valuable information 👍
No worries at all! Someone has mentioned about the lines from GT6, they were amazing for qualifying and actually meant you could see what people were doing without being off put and 0 chaos!
I've also had lobbies for league race practice be randomly faster than the one used for the actual race a few days later or vice versa with exactly the same settings (weather, wind etc) very frustrating and makes you question your own ability sometimes
Le Mans this week TT is a pain because of the race weather being the same in quali as one session is wet, the next dry etc etc. You can spend ages resetting to get optimal weather to set a time
Tidgney, GT markets itself as a racing simulator... that means real world variables. Cars vary in stats and abilities, tracks vary in layout and attributes.. weather varies affects on vehicles. Not just in tire temps, but track temp, air intake and even down force are affected by temperatures in the real world, and drivers deal with it in real life, too. Drivers end up with qualifying time slots all over the time spectrum and they don't all get the same. They have to take those affects into account. Just like choosing the best car for the track. In many cases, you have to included the weather into your strategy. Tire wear and fuel usage SHOULD be affected. Air Density Tuning is a major thing with racing. But, without ability to tune, you are left with simply understanding how the vehicles (and tracks) respond to the change. Just like picking cars and tires...
@@Stroker-Z28 It is important, as it points to their developers focus. Is it perfect, no... but I was pointing out the flaws in examining varied conditions, and expecting static results.... because that is the intent of the developers!! And no, you can't just "jump on and race", their is one or two Meta cars for the tracks, race specs and otherwise. Many of the drivers, nearly consistently, have asked for strategy in the racing... strategy comes from using the variables to an advantage. Like when to pit, picking a car that works best for the conditions (better fuel, better tire wear, better top-end speed, etc...). Well, qualifying IS part of the strategy! Just like real life racing... because that is how the developers are focused on making it...
I do understand that there are real world variables and the 1 question I fire back at anyone in this situation is name 1 serious circuit racing series globally where the participants all do qualifying on different days in different conditions for the same race and that everyone participating doesn't have a clue what any of the variables are like temperature etc.
@@tidgney Just like the races, themselves, weather can changes in just a matter of minutes. Does not need to be separate days. Take 24-hr at Le Mans and Road to Le Mans... each driver is given 15-minute sessions over a two hour time frame. The temps in June, from 22:00 to 00:00 can change significantly. Showers or Rain can develop and end in a couple hours, it has even happened on Race days. Personally, I like the Sprint car Qualifying, where round 1 is standard format, but Round 2 is a mini-race.
@@X-Being But I think you're missing the point. On a Race or Qualifying day for those competition everyone is on the track at the same time. In Qualifying as you say everyone has a 2 hour session, but everyone also has the same opportunity for the best moment to qualify. Here we do not, with some not even knowing you can get a wet session, dry or make a dry session even better if you're lucky enough to get that session. But for those that do you then have to play the random number generator and hope you get that session or exit and restart continiously until you do. Unless someone can name a race series where random qualifying happens I still stand by the fact this is actually less realistic at the moment and not more realistic. I'm also not saying for a Race this should change, it's perfectly fine for racing as everyone in that race has the same changing conditions. For qualifying it's an issue.
This is something I've felt for a while. I'm not the fastest by any means, but I know what I'm capable of. More noticeable this week at Brands, I like to use the FF cars and sometimes they turn, then they don't. Also noticed it in the Ford in the nations Cup practice. It would turn, and then it wouldn't. Giving a 0.8 deficit on my best time. Roll on Forza 😂
This is a big problem for daily races, I remember when we had Gr4 on Spa, where you fished for a good wind and not rain. I had the same experience, where i thought i had somewhat same conditions, but i was almost 1s faster in the last session. The qualy and race should be seperate sessions, and therefore you should be able to have different settings for each session. Another thing, not sure if you ever noticed or experienced it, but in lobbies or daily races, I can be fairly consistent, and close to my optimal, but suddenly it feels like i am driving with dirty tires constantly. I have to brake 20m before what i normally do, and my general pace is off by sometimes more than 1s. This has happened when the tires are fresh, when the tires are at optimal working temp, and when the tires are worn. This sensation is frustrating, and it can suddenly appear and disappear, which can ruin a race. This happens while im out of the gravel. Any thoughts on this?
I think with your lobby / racing issue it could be a number of things. Wtih fresh tyres it'll definitely be tyre temps once they are warmed up it should be fine, Sardegna C reverse when I changed tyres it was 3 laps before I got upto good pace. If you are experiencing it during the race then I suspect the circuit may have changed, it does change as you race (I have no problem with that before anyone randomlly jumps on this comment haha) and you could be experiencing if it gets cooler tyres not working as well with also engine power increasing so a combination? I'd have to see a replay to get more of an idea though
Yea, have been thinking that aswell, but we are racing on fixed weather, so the weather and temps shouldnt be that huge of a factor? While i know it can take upto 2-3 laps to get the tires working, but this happens when we are doing hotlaps(tyre and fuel wear). It can then last for everything around 2-3 laps or even up to 10-15 laps at the most. My inital thought was, since its a P2P connection, the game detects that you are off track(just minimal but enough to get dirty tires), but you dont see or feel it, if that made sense? If i remember next time ill save the record and share it.@@tidgney
Finally I'm not crazy. Happened to me so many times before man... This kinda of modern algorithm is ruining all great titles like GT, FIFA and CoD. It's shameful for companies
Wow…I’m not imagining it then. This has been happening for ages then. I don’t understand how on Monday I often take 3 laps and set a good time and then spend the week chasing it, it every now and then I get a session where I knock off one hundredth consistently - which says to me there are different things at play. I think it would be good if you could do the same 4 screen shots but include the tire temps, just to see if the air temp, track temp and wind are effecting the tire at the lap start. Can’t remember the app I used but I had it linked to the game on my phone so you could see that and other data live. I’m sure someone can drop the app name. Keep up the work - could be an A+ without you.
Oh this is unacceptable! A few weeks ago I was trying to get gold in the red bull time trial, and I just couldn't do it for an hour. I got tired and quit... but I said to me "no, you can do this" and instantly went back in. Gold time in the first lap. I can't assure it was this glitch, but I also have no doubts.
I’ve noticed that my record laps are routinely achieved within the first three laps after having a go for 10 or so laps, jumping out and coming back to the track. I always found this weird but I noticed recently that my record lap has been occurring earlier after jumping back in and lately I’m getting it done on the first lap which really doesn’t make sense. I agree with you, something sketchy going on here.
I genuinely thought I was massively inconsistent, and have not bothered racing on occasions because I couldn't get anywhere near my quali time in the warm up, and assumed I'd get eaten alive or cause carnage if I joined a lobby on poor form!
I kick back on this whole app thing that says TT has tire temps all the time. Many times, my first lap has been my best lap. Obviously, things changes when you are feeling for times and trying different things, but when you have to really struggle to repeat that first lap, because your brain is starting to get in the way, you start to realize that over thinking things can sometimes make them more difficult.
Ye I've argued it for awhile with tyre temps, they may change based on the session but lap 1 to 10 there's no difference. The big kicker for me is do a pitstop then drive on the new tyres, that's cold tyres and you can really feel the difference there.
Interesting video and good suggestions. It would be great if they also forced drivers to use the same car and tires used in qualy (tyres to start on at least).
I’ve always wanted qualy every race. They have the 15min there, don’t have time, start at the back. Sometimes I qualy then don’t play for days. Different days, I have different pace…
Tbf this is commonly known among top drivers, if you watch kie or digit they often chase better sessions. Even on reddit people have complained about this before. Good research tho, enjoyed the comparison and that sardegna one was a perfect test for this issue
Do you think each daily race should have its own micro quali session in the pre 15 mins? If you’re at the front all week it’s a boring race, and if you can’t get a good lap, you always start at the back which means you get mixed up in shenanigans!!!! Would be great to have a per race reset so at least it’s mixed up more.
I think a 5 minute qualification session before the start would be good. Allows everyone to load in and check any technical issues as well before a race rather than the 20 second warmup.
We should also mention the fact that making a suspension adjustable in dailys makes zero sens when we don't know if we have good or bad conditions on a session xd
That's a very good point that I had never thought of and someone else has also mentioned. You literally can't tune a car because the session changes so widely 🙈
Daily C should be a one shot quali sessions before the race. I have it were I joined 3 or 4 session and it’s been the same drivers and same grid order. Gives us a quali and would have mixed up grids. Daily B you could maybe do one shot quali too.
Very interesting, I suspected something for a while where when it's cloudier / cooler and maybe dusk that's when your lap times improve but that was after a continous session, but then like you've demonstrated it also changes after starting a new session, I think PD are just trying to make the game look pretty but to the detriment of the enjoyment in getting a faster lap time, like the wind although it's realistic to have different conditions in real life, for a game it's just things that don't need to be simulated, I also agree on having proper qualifying, for a long time now I've been saying you shouldn't be able to qualify in one car then use that time for another, it's a nonsense or if you do use a car that you didn't qualify with then you're at the back or whatever time you did set with any given car, this might actually help with some races not having one make races, I'm sick of seeing by mid week or earlier the established meta car out of 30+ cars it's ridiculous ! Rant over pleb 😂 ps thought you woulda done your fav track Suzuka last week, 35 laps and dynamic weather!
Quali in daily races should definitely happen. Only problem would be if that reduced the number of race laps possible, but a 5 minute quali session should happen every race, in my opinion….
Tidge? I race a lot of custom races and i have a sneaking suspicion that the time difference between myself and the AI is not always correct it seems the AI gains time even when it ( isn't ) travelling at the same speed as what i am. I think this relates somewhat to what you were experiencing in this video. ie. I don't have boost activated and the AI is never anywhere near my slipstream.
The AI can be a bit more unusual as the game controls them in really weird ways. Like if you're at the back they go slow and at the front they suddenly speed up (Which is random)
Do you think the same applies to your own lobbies? I've a gut feeling that this is the case. When I practicefor our Sunday league races, I often find some sessions better than others. Then on race day you can find yourself off your own practice race, even accounting for race-day nerves etc.
Very interesting video tidgney, up to this point i was only aware of the tail and head wind differences during seperate instances. I usualy just try to power through it, but after watching this video on tire temp, both are a waste of time if the conditions aren't right. Just a question. You talked about doing your B.O.P. tests in lobbies. I like to do alot time trial sessions "offline". Is this a bad idea? Because I need consistency for my testing sessions.
The critical part of practicing online vs offline is that you need to enable BOP otherwise you'll be very limited. You can't enable BOP offline very easily at a circuit which is really frustrating. It is a suggestion that was fed back to PD some time ago.
@@tidgney it was such a blessing in GT Sport to be able to turn B.O.P. whenever you were in offline time trial with. Gr. car. A QOL feature I didn't even think needed justifying until it was ABSENT MINDEDLY left out in GT 7👎☹️ *Now I depend on entering a quick arcade race just to find out the B.O.P. settings of a Gr. car. Just frustrating when you know that PD knows the solution to a problem but goes ignored for some time.
It’s been a long while since I commented on one of your videos Martin. All I can say is I’m not surprised that this game is still broken! At least I now know I’m not goin crazy cos I had noticed this before, but not noticed at the same time. Come on PD sort ya shit out!!!
I've noticed something strange is going on with the next race for the manufacturers. Gr4 Dragon tail in reverse. I'm normally 1-4 seconds off the top time. I'm 12 seconds on this. And when looking at the times people are posting, and what people have posted in the past for this race. It doesn't add up.
This is to do with the fact that the top split (1) are driving Group 3 cars, and (2 and 3) are driving Group 4, but they've put all times on the same leaderboard.
Using Equal Mode (no wind/temp) in TT is not the best option to solve this. Some people use the TT to practice the different conditions, specially for the races with dynamic weather. If TT uses Equal Mode, they would have to do this on Lobbies. But (1) some people don't know how to use lobbies, and (2) we don't have enough info to create a lobby with the exact same conditions as the TT/event. A better and simpler solution is to show the track conditions, wind, temp, track time, and everything that makes any difference. Just show this in the screen before you go to the track, and also in the leaderboard and replays. I don't know if PD will do this tho. It may scare the casuals because it's too much info to manage. People play GT cause it's just "sit and race", so managing the best session is a hassle. And I know this exists already, but since it's hidden, lots of people have no idea this exists.
Hmmm that's a very interesting thought with the conditions. There's actually no fundamental way to practice them fully when thinking about it as TT has no fuel or tyre wear so the car behaves completely different. Would be good to be able to copy/paste settings into a lobby, similar to that track day thing they've got (Only did that on day 1 so I can't remember what it's called). Seeing the details of the session though would be a very good start. Thanks for the comment! Love these comments as it makes me think about different aspects I may not have thought of
Interesting. There's been times I've set a quali time and then spent the rest of the week frustrated about not matching it. I always assumed it was because I'm a bit rubbish (only B:S at the mo) but maybe it's because of this. At least there's something to tell myself when I keep going too slowly...
They will constantly change between FR cars feeling good and MR cars as they seem to swing how extreme the weight transfer is, it's quite random to be honest!
We should be doing a 5 min quali for every race. It’s 5 mins. That’s less time than just waiting for it to start now. And they do it for the manufacturers which runs every hour of the day so they can’t say it can’t be done
No wonder improvements for DR qualis are so inconsistent, thought it was just me being bad, and it still is but this doesnt help, it just makes me close the game in frustration more often than not.
The difference here, mate, is your top-flight ('military precision') skills 😃👍...The rest of us ('useful idiots') were assuming that we were just having an off-day! But I do remember a year or two ago, trying to do the missions AFTER Polyphony had introduced headwinds... All my friends had got easy Gold times. It was the same when they fitted "Comfort Softs" (or something equally unhelpful) to Rally Stages
Point is that the whole appeal of Gran Turismo's Time Attack was the Man vs Machine, same conditions for everybody... Adding the random element effecticely makes it "Russian Roulette" with at least 5 of the 6 chambers filled with live rounds!... Err, no thanks! 😒
O yes, I remember that head wind issue with the bugatti that was what the video was based on originally because some people were messaging me saying it was impossible so tried to make it impossible for me haha
There’s coding in the game that robs us and changes the game. Nurburgring , pp 750 Porsche cup one lap. When I ran on dry tires the track would have weather and rain out mid track. I changed the tires to intermittent, INCREASED! The hp of the car and guess what? No rain for seven attempts and the npc vehicles pull off on me by 7 plus seconds
Another thing is tyres. I've used the mclaren in daily race c this week and I noticed every session my tyres ended in the same condition bar one. In a no stop race and exact same driving. I couldn't understand why this one race tyres were worn worse at the end 🤔
That is normal, as the race has tyre wear and fuel usage where the practice session doesn't. It's why I do the car profiles with x1 fuel and tyre wear (Also why Daily Race A has it).
Do you mean a quail window before each race? Like gtws? I would argue against that option as you are pressured by the limited time available. Equal conditions or just use your new found knowledge to restart until you get a good session.
Through frustration at Watkins Glen when I was doing Beat the Meta in the Ford haha! I was like I don't get how I am 2 tenths down at the end of sector 1 from 1 corner. Then I was like WTH. It's why I was after saving footage where I could to show it.
In the sardegna 2x2 grid you show. You start the lap at the same 0.000 time and then hit pause at the same time. Surely your time stamps on all 4 videos should have been the same. And then the difference will be visually where you are on the track.
They are exactly the same and lined up the same. The idea was to look at the differences of the 4 different sessions. For example on Session 3 & 4 you can see one is slower at first then faster after at the same time difference which shows a difference in power at least for me that's what I see. If any time is off by .001 that's due to the limit of recording not necessarily the game, I physically couldn't get them to be 20.817 for example if one is 20.816 as the next frame back is more than .001
Gostei muito do seu trabalho, organizou tudo para tentar desvendar coisas duvidosas, vou dar minha opinião, embora as opiniões relatadas por brasileiros não são muito levadas a sério. Preencho meu tempo com este aplicativo a 25 anos, posso não ser um bom piloto virtual, mas tenho experiência o suficiente para concluir que 20% é real e 80% não passa de uma grande manipulação e se você for um bom piloto vai notar isso. Basta seguir o recorde mundial e notar que as configurações do fantasma estão muito além das nossas, e nisto eles são totalmente favorecidos sem saber. Enquanto nós corremos com pneus corrida médio, eles estão com corrida macio, enquanto nós corremos com restrição de potência, eles têm carros nas condições normais e é por isso à estupenda diferença de desempenho. Enfim seria possível escrever um livro para explicar toda a manipulação da AI que eles usam para engane e ludibriar as pessoas com boas intervenções e se você está sendo bloqueado como eu, considere-se um bom piloto pois o resto não passa de uma grande manipulação. Um forte abraço 👍👍👍
I'm hoping google translate has done this accurately! Thankyou for your kind comment first of all regarding the video. In terms of the top drivers having different tyres that isn't true I'm afraid. Do remember that I have been a world finalist (Arguably one of the most successful in GT Sport as I attended the most live events). The top players are playing many hours and there times are set with the same settings minus the session times that are discussed in the video. thanks again for your comment, I appreciate it!
You don't unfortunately all guess work unless you reference your speeds and sector times like I did in the video where at watkins sector time and just pure speed showed a huge difference.
@@tidgneyIn the Audi on Race A it has a temp gauge on the dash in VR. Starts at around 16.8C and rose to 17C in the one quali session i did. Could use that?
@tidgney I prefer the iRacing and ACC qualifying and race format over the PD model. I don't put more the 20 minutes into it anymore, but I honestly stopped racing on GT
Just make "One lap" quick qually with game spawning drives before last corner and also making other drivers invisible (they could be visually represented with moving lines on the track surface, even with psn-id at the edge of that line) - is it possible? WELL GT6 HAD ALL THAT LITERALLY as option to set in lobby racing!!! C'mon PD
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I really like the qualify for every race idea that you put forward, I hope that becomes a reality 🤞
+1 from me on this
Something they should bring back in the single player modes races too. With the addition of Sophy it would be a great challenge.
I recall in one of Kie's stream he was trying to chase the world record holder to set a lap time for the Sardegna race and he couldn't explain why the ghost was taking off at the final corner. He suspected it has something to do with the session conditions but couldn't prove it at the time. This seems to corroborate his gutfeelings on this. That the conditions vary in some way from session to session.
I support the shot gun qualifier before each race. As it also allows people to start from the back if they wanted to by just forfeiting the quali lap. Dunno if PD is receptive to that as they seem to be doing their own thing...
I noticed this when we had race A at SSRX, you could see the temperature in cockpit view of one of the cars (IIRC the AMG) and it was different every time you entered and changes as you drive along. The cooler it was the more engine power and higher top speed.
My dream would be a Daily Race D.
- 20 Cars (or more)
- 5 minutes qualifying
- 30 - 45 minutes race
- 1 mandatory pit stop
- Repairing damage costs time in the pits
I think it's better if you have to do a new qualifying time before every race. It makes it much more exciting and interesting.
100%. The longer the race, the more the average player in that lobby actually cares about racing. I don’t even bother with Daily Race B anymore for that reason. The variance in player base makes it so that it’s a crapshoot whether you get a good race or you get taken out Turn 1 by someone who can’t handle being overtaken.
totally agree on a qualifying session. setting a fast lap under limited time brings more challenge and pressure to the players.
I thought this might have been the case and I think you may have proven it Tidge. Struggled to keep up all week in quali and then just got the right session today and instantly back on pace.
I agree in race quali would be better but PD should at least ensure all sessions in quali are equal temp/ conditions .
This is why using dashboard apps for tyre temps is important at the moment. You can see tyre temps for leaderboards when you watch replay. And check that your own tyre's are the same temperature. Another way to solve it is actually being able to see the temperature when doing daily time trail. We can only see the wind conditions.
It should be in the game,
@@muller_cj3941 I would presume they don't want to much information for the casual or new player. Where as a player that takes the game more seriously would get the apps.
@@mramaz1ngarry728 on the casual player point, that's easily solved you have it on an option,
For VR-users dashboard-apps are unfortunately no solution at all.
But we are used to having not the least bit on tactical relevant information available. (Leaderboards and info when opponents pit …)
Interesting. So just as a question really, tyre temps don't vary from lap 1 to 10 but they still show the starting temp which I assume is upto temp? I've not tried the apps as they aren't "Official" so to speak so genuinely curious.
I haven't tested this yet but i think this is happening because of the different climate physic or the road temperature physics, which is connected to the grip. This may be because of the temperature difference on the road surface where sunlight is more, those places may get more grip (like the road physic after a rain).. something like that... Not 100% sure but this must be tested. I will post the result below my comment later.
I just started playing GT on and off for a year now. I’m not fully committing my time or interest to video games in general but the level of consistency and speed you have is amazing. Every time you post, I compare my lap times to you and I’m consistently 2
Or more seconds off. I’ll know I’m quick once I can get within a second
Thankyou for the kind comment! My consistency comes from playing for 25 years I guess haha! But keep going with the improving!
Well done for highlighting this issue and demonstrating it in the game. Hopefully we will all be wasting far less time in slower tt conditions now !
A while ago we had Gr.2 on Softs at Spa on daily race B. A sunny session was worth at least a second a lap compared to a cloudy session. It even got slower the longer you went on the sunny session!
This is something I was wondering about myself, you did a good job explaining it.
Sometimes, in between daily races I jump into qualifying to try and improve my time, just to end up asking how did I managed to do a lap 0.7s faster than I'm currently doing?
GT7 HUD doesn't display all of the information that the game actually evaluates, so maybe having a phone with the telemetry app next to you might help to identify godlike sessions and their parameters.
I'm just hoping this is not a core game engine issue with physics or timing measurements, because that would be a tough one to debug and solve.
Yep.. unfortunately I go in and out of sessions to find the right conditions. Of course you have to do a few laps to confirm (at least for me, who isn't as consistent as you), but it absolutely makes a huge difference. Thanks for pointing out to PD that this is a problem
This explains why sometimes I can’t get close to lap times I’ve done. Great vid, great points well made
Thanks for answering what I've been puzzled about for a while. Exactly the same tt at sardegna, I exited for a while, came back and couldn't get near my best time. Thanks Tidge, saved me loads of wasted time!! Cheers
I've noticed this on Grand Valley, I was 5km/h slower at the end of the straight. I also spend some time on time trials and no matter what I do, couldn't get those 5km/h. Thanks for this video, it says a lot.
Cooler temperatures increase engine power.
Qualifing before the race is probably a time issue, there won't be 3 daily As and Bs per hour anymore and much shorter Daily Cs.
Ok, they could give us more slots eg. 00/15/30/45 lasting 25 to 30 minutes, so you could maybe enter the over/next slot to qualify... But anyway, too much effort for PD...
Thanks for vid, always like to watch! Cheers!
I've always felt like some sessions had more grip than others, glad to see you make this video. I think it happens in online lap time challenges too. Today at the Seaside online time trial I started off and the Gr3 Ferrari just didn't feel the same, felt like it had more understeer on corner entry and that I couldn't get the power down as well, my lap times where much slower. I exited restarted and the Ferrari instantly felt better, less understeer and I could get the power down easier. My times where 3 tenths better and the car it self felt better.
I will definitely investigate the time trial a bit more at some point in the future as a few people have said this now.
I was wondering today why sometimes my ghost would dust me. I started playing this thing a little over two months ago (longtime GT fan), but a lot of you had it for what two years and just now finding this? The GT addiction is real lmao I love this.
Hope PD fixes it!
I was made aware of this some time ago. There was a 15 lap Endurance in Gr3 round Spa in Dec last year. I was at the top of friends leaderboard for some time. Then all of a sudden my time was beaten by 30 seconds I should clarify the race involved a wet spell. It turned out that by doing this reset eventually you could get a session with no rain??! I've not bothered with any of the time trials/races or dailies since as its a joke that this is possible. This was a TT event and not a daily race but the bug still exists... Great content as always 👏
Yup that's a very common thing to get a dry session, that is currently happening at Le Mans this week.
Amazing work discovering this Tidgney!
It would be really interesting to get someone to do a huge 50-100 lap samples between resets and then to conduct analysis on them (ie find the differences)
That is alot of work, I'm not sure I'll have time to do it, maybe during the christmas period I could so will definitely add to the list
@@tidgney we need a generous time heavy volunteer!
maaan you're putting in the work :D appreciate the effort man. We can't change this so I guess resetting is just one of the things you have to try now.
Just seems like more stuff to worry about. I'd prefer to focus on left and right as I cant even do that correctly yet!
Thanks for the video…I notice the beter condition with the ffb. Sometimes the steering feels much stiffer and the car feels like its On rails
I've been banging on about this for months Tidgney! I hate the fact that TT's aren't a fair playing field for everyone, The wind direction for example was ridiculous at Spa Gr.4 recently, Spending half hour entering and exiting just to get a decent wind direction... Drives me nuts tbh. I just want to set a time and race, but you spend most your time going through hundreds of menu's which ultimately makes you switch off... Great Vid as always 👌
I think it might be connected to air and road temps being a bit different in different sessions. Even cloud cover and amount of sunlight might play a role. This would then cause tyres to heat and cool differently, which kinda makes sense. Maybe this is how PD imagined road condition variety...
I think I remember restarting a session some time ago at Dragon Trail Gardens to get less sunshine so tyres wouldn't overheat, which would allow me to push more.
Edit: having a second thought.. Did PD really implement the temperature of engine air intake? (colder, more dense air = more oxygen = more power)
They certainly have done that with engine power :).
This doesn’t surprise me at all. Race B this week and on a number of other races, I haven’t been able to get anywhere near my quali time during the race - totally baffled but now I know why. Thanks Tidge 👌👏👍
Great video, Tidgney. I don't have the skill nor the consistency to prove my suspicions re certain aspects of the game, so it's great that someone who does have the required skill is actually bothering to do such a systematic study of the game mechanics.
Cheers mate, appreciate the comment! Not as skilled as I used to be due to playing less, well actually doing more content but I try to do my best with discoveries/information/entertainment
After many hours of quali sessions I can agree, that the sessions are different.
I also thought it’s the temperature, so I look for Sessions with the least clouds.
Good stuff as always!
I tried that cloud trick at watkins when I discovered it, I could not figure out any form of way to identify it :(. Best I've done is look at lighting of the track and look for extremes
@@tidgney right now at yamagiwa, it seems that it needs to be the brightest weather. If there are dark clouds, instant reset.
Yeah totally agree that makes sense. Thanks for pointing it out Tidge, reckon that will gain me some tenths for sure. Agreed with the idea of quali on daily races. Even if they just do a quali for race C or something it would suit us busy folk who can only jump on once maybe twice a week. It's carnage trying to get my DR up so I think this would be a great addition! Looks like I'm not alone either 💪🤙 put it forward!!!! 🤜🤛
What I don’t understand is why the sector position has changed? Surely the sector line is just after the 500m board. Not when you hit 164mph.
Why is the sector line suddenly at the 600m board?
I did the speed test on watkins as it ticked over to 164 to show the difference as to where the car is in relation to the circuit in reality they should be very close to each other.
Great vid tidge, i have noticed exactly this too with lap times, i wondered whether it may have something to do with loading of the tracks via the internet or PSX when restarting and reloading, maybe some kid of loading glitch allows for a variation in tolerances regarding track grip weather wind etc or even vehicle stats changing slightly or even BOP variances....... could be something miniscule or literally anything but as you said 1/10th can make a huge difference.....
There's information we are missing that may influence performance, Tyre Temperature, air temperature, and track temp, If this is the case, it needs to be added somewhere, so you can see it. My only sensible guess for why it happens is one of those three conditions changes,
There's an app that gives tyre temps, if you did not know.
The best solution is Qualy Sessions before the race,
I noticed this at spa much worse than this. If I did the lap in a free qualifying session I was 8mph slower over the back than if I did it in-between races ??? Thought it was wind direction 🤔🤔🤔 great video and info as always Tidge 👍 this needs to be a even playing field all qualifying needs to be same conditions right through or qualifying before each race and only hold practice records for info.
Ps spa may be a good test next time it's Round as if it's a temp/engine power issue then you loose getting up the hill and down the straight, if it's also a tyre temp/grip issue it would probably be worse than its showing on tighter tracks 🤔. Anyway yes especially if you work full time and have really limited spare time to get your best lap in we haven't time to keep restarting sessions PD need to sort that out ASAP 👍
Polyphony have had some good ideas, but they haven't been implemented with much thinking. Amazing video Tidge 👍🏻
Hey Tidge, I actually made a video about this 5 months ago (somehow on watkins gr3 too), temperature is for sure a thing and you can check it in the cockpit of certain cars. I heard that this week they finally solved the issue for the daily races but we will have to see how they handle it in the future...
O great stuff! It's a very frustrating problem to me, probably even more for you chasing world records!
@@tidgney yes for sure! I always avoid timetrials where temperature is random, because there is no fun for me in it, and even when you have good temperature, it doesn't feel as good when you get a good lap because you know it might've been all from the temps.
This makes so much sense now, i used to think i just get better trying again after a break lol
sometimes PD seems like they dont know, what they want. Putting dynamic weather into timetrials for no reason. Why dont the simply make a button for practising in race conditions, so you dont have to open a lobby and a second button with static weather for time trialing?! Nice video tidge!
This is crazy , taking notes though for sure thank you because I could not for the life of me figure out the problem. I still suck but at least I suck a little less than before
Brilliant video! I had also been baffled by differences of times in time trial? PD have to change this! As someone who doesn’t have a great deal of spare time for time trial. This is a disappointing discovery ☹️ I would also love to have some sort of qualifying for each race. Maybe with slipstream off and all cars ghosted? Otherwise, qualifying in lower lobbies would be chaos. Otherwise… equal mode needs to be on. Thanks for this valuable information 👍
No worries at all! Someone has mentioned about the lines from GT6, they were amazing for qualifying and actually meant you could see what people were doing without being off put and 0 chaos!
I've also had lobbies for league race practice be randomly faster than the one used for the actual race a few days later or vice versa with exactly the same settings (weather, wind etc) very frustrating and makes you question your own ability sometimes
Le Mans this week TT is a pain because of the race weather being the same in quali as one session is wet, the next dry etc etc. You can spend ages resetting to get optimal weather to set a time
Tidgney, GT markets itself as a racing simulator... that means real world variables. Cars vary in stats and abilities, tracks vary in layout and attributes.. weather varies affects on vehicles.
Not just in tire temps, but track temp, air intake and even down force are affected by temperatures in the real world, and drivers deal with it in real life, too. Drivers end up with qualifying time slots all over the time spectrum and they don't all get the same. They have to take those affects into account.
Just like choosing the best car for the track. In many cases, you have to included the weather into your strategy. Tire wear and fuel usage SHOULD be affected.
Air Density Tuning is a major thing with racing. But, without ability to tune, you are left with simply understanding how the vehicles (and tracks) respond to the change. Just like picking cars and tires...
It doesn't matter what they "market" it as, GT is not now and never has been a "sim". It's a fun game that you can just jump on and race.
@@Stroker-Z28 It is important, as it points to their developers focus. Is it perfect, no... but I was pointing out the flaws in examining varied conditions, and expecting static results.... because that is the intent of the developers!!
And no, you can't just "jump on and race", their is one or two Meta cars for the tracks, race specs and otherwise.
Many of the drivers, nearly consistently, have asked for strategy in the racing... strategy comes from using the variables to an advantage. Like when to pit, picking a car that works best for the conditions (better fuel, better tire wear, better top-end speed, etc...).
Well, qualifying IS part of the strategy! Just like real life racing... because that is how the developers are focused on making it...
I do understand that there are real world variables and the 1 question I fire back at anyone in this situation is name 1 serious circuit racing series globally where the participants all do qualifying on different days in different conditions for the same race and that everyone participating doesn't have a clue what any of the variables are like temperature etc.
@@tidgney Just like the races, themselves, weather can changes in just a matter of minutes. Does not need to be separate days.
Take 24-hr at Le Mans and Road to Le Mans... each driver is given 15-minute sessions over a two hour time frame. The temps in June, from 22:00 to 00:00 can change significantly.
Showers or Rain can develop and end in a couple hours, it has even happened on Race days.
Personally, I like the Sprint car Qualifying, where round 1 is standard format, but Round 2 is a mini-race.
@@X-Being But I think you're missing the point. On a Race or Qualifying day for those competition everyone is on the track at the same time. In Qualifying as you say everyone has a 2 hour session, but everyone also has the same opportunity for the best moment to qualify. Here we do not, with some not even knowing you can get a wet session, dry or make a dry session even better if you're lucky enough to get that session. But for those that do you then have to play the random number generator and hope you get that session or exit and restart continiously until you do. Unless someone can name a race series where random qualifying happens I still stand by the fact this is actually less realistic at the moment and not more realistic.
I'm also not saying for a Race this should change, it's perfectly fine for racing as everyone in that race has the same changing conditions. For qualifying it's an issue.
This is something I've felt for a while. I'm not the fastest by any means, but I know what I'm capable of. More noticeable this week at Brands, I like to use the FF cars and sometimes they turn, then they don't. Also noticed it in the Ford in the nations Cup practice. It would turn, and then it wouldn't. Giving a 0.8 deficit on my best time. Roll on Forza 😂
Certainly explains why I don't feel as consistent as I feel I should be.
This is a big problem for daily races, I remember when we had Gr4 on Spa, where you fished for a good wind and not rain. I had the same experience, where i thought i had somewhat same conditions, but i was almost 1s faster in the last session. The qualy and race should be seperate sessions, and therefore you should be able to have different settings for each session.
Another thing, not sure if you ever noticed or experienced it, but in lobbies or daily races, I can be fairly consistent, and close to my optimal, but suddenly it feels like i am driving with dirty tires constantly. I have to brake 20m before what i normally do, and my general pace is off by sometimes more than 1s. This has happened when the tires are fresh, when the tires are at optimal working temp, and when the tires are worn. This sensation is frustrating, and it can suddenly appear and disappear, which can ruin a race. This happens while im out of the gravel. Any thoughts on this?
I think with your lobby / racing issue it could be a number of things. Wtih fresh tyres it'll definitely be tyre temps once they are warmed up it should be fine, Sardegna C reverse when I changed tyres it was 3 laps before I got upto good pace. If you are experiencing it during the race then I suspect the circuit may have changed, it does change as you race (I have no problem with that before anyone randomlly jumps on this comment haha) and you could be experiencing if it gets cooler tyres not working as well with also engine power increasing so a combination? I'd have to see a replay to get more of an idea though
Yea, have been thinking that aswell, but we are racing on fixed weather, so the weather and temps shouldnt be that huge of a factor? While i know it can take upto 2-3 laps to get the tires working, but this happens when we are doing hotlaps(tyre and fuel wear). It can then last for everything around 2-3 laps or even up to 10-15 laps at the most. My inital thought was, since its a P2P connection, the game detects that you are off track(just minimal but enough to get dirty tires), but you dont see or feel it, if that made sense? If i remember next time ill save the record and share it.@@tidgney
Finally I'm not crazy. Happened to me so many times before man...
This kinda of modern algorithm is ruining all great titles like GT, FIFA and CoD. It's shameful for companies
Wow…I’m not imagining it then. This has been happening for ages then. I don’t understand how on Monday I often take 3 laps and set a good time and then spend the week chasing it, it every now and then I get a session where I knock off one hundredth consistently - which says to me there are different things at play.
I think it would be good if you could do the same 4 screen shots but include the tire temps, just to see if the air temp, track temp and wind are effecting the tire at the lap start.
Can’t remember the app I used but I had it linked to the game on my phone so you could see that and other data live. I’m sure someone can drop the app name.
Keep up the work - could be an A+ without you.
I'll see what I can do, not particularly fond of using non official apps but will look into it :)
Oh this is unacceptable!
A few weeks ago I was trying to get gold in the red bull time trial, and I just couldn't do it for an hour. I got tired and quit... but I said to me "no, you can do this" and instantly went back in. Gold time in the first lap. I can't assure it was this glitch, but I also have no doubts.
wind direction and strength influence push / pull of the car - crosswinds, downforce etc.
That's true although in these tests the wind doesn't change 👀
I’ve noticed that my record laps are routinely achieved within the first three laps after having a go for 10 or so laps, jumping out and coming back to the track. I always found this weird but I noticed recently that my record lap has been occurring earlier after jumping back in and lately I’m getting it done on the first lap which really doesn’t make sense. I agree with you, something sketchy going on here.
I noticed the same thing. Especially with the Civic.
If you change the rim size in group 4 cars does BOP default back to 18' for the race and qualifying?
Not something I've tested to be honest, I suspect it all goes back to default!
I genuinely thought I was massively inconsistent, and have not bothered racing on occasions because I couldn't get anywhere near my quali time in the warm up, and assumed I'd get eaten alive or cause carnage if I joined a lobby on poor form!
I kick back on this whole app thing that says TT has tire temps all the time. Many times, my first lap has been my best lap. Obviously, things changes when you are feeling for times and trying different things, but when you have to really struggle to repeat that first lap, because your brain is starting to get in the way, you start to realize that over thinking things can sometimes make them more difficult.
Ye I've argued it for awhile with tyre temps, they may change based on the session but lap 1 to 10 there's no difference. The big kicker for me is do a pitstop then drive on the new tyres, that's cold tyres and you can really feel the difference there.
Interesting video and good suggestions. It would be great if they also forced drivers to use the same car and tires used in qualy (tyres to start on at least).
Completely agree with the car choice, it should be the time you set in that car rather than your overall best time.
This kinda stuff is annoying to know about so thankyou 4 showing us how unfair everything is lol
Thanks tidge. Please keep reporting this issue. Its plain stupid keep reseting till you hit the perfect conditions.
I’ve always wanted qualy every race. They have the 15min there, don’t have time, start at the back. Sometimes I qualy then don’t play for days. Different days, I have different pace…
Qualifying for races like in the GTWS would be great. It works really well in ACC as well
Tbf this is commonly known among top drivers, if you watch kie or digit they often chase better sessions. Even on reddit people have complained about this before. Good research tho, enjoyed the comparison and that sardegna one was a perfect test for this issue
I've had my suspisions for awhile now just needed to grab the evidence for it :D! Appreciate the compliment!
Do you think each daily race should have its own micro quali session in the pre 15 mins?
If you’re at the front all week it’s a boring race, and if you can’t get a good lap, you always start at the back which means you get mixed up in shenanigans!!!! Would be great to have a per race reset so at least it’s mixed up more.
I think a 5 minute qualification session before the start would be good. Allows everyone to load in and check any technical issues as well before a race rather than the 20 second warmup.
Spot on tidge, I think qualifying is the way to go. If forza motorsport gets it right gt7 is in trouble
LOL...... you really think people are going to flock to buy a junk xbox to run an even more arcade like game just because of this?
@Stroker-Z28 ah no but if you have a pc it will be worth a shot 😉
We should also mention the fact that making a suspension adjustable in dailys makes zero sens when we don't know if we have good or bad conditions on a session xd
That's a very good point that I had never thought of and someone else has also mentioned. You literally can't tune a car because the session changes so widely 🙈
All for quali during each race too, let's go!
Daily C should be a one shot quali sessions before the race. I have it were I joined 3 or 4 session and it’s been the same drivers and same grid order. Gives us a quali and would have mixed up grids. Daily B you could maybe do one shot quali too.
That's another great point actually the same grid over and over and over does get stale so that short qualification would help with that to!
lol, I knew this since day 1 :D :D Nothing havent changed, I always keep looking for best weather to make a lap time :D
Very interesting, I suspected something for a while where when it's cloudier / cooler and maybe dusk that's when your lap times improve but that was after a continous session, but then like you've demonstrated it also changes after starting a new session, I think PD are just trying to make the game look pretty but to the detriment of the enjoyment in getting a faster lap time, like the wind although it's realistic to have different conditions in real life, for a game it's just things that don't need to be simulated, I also agree on having proper qualifying, for a long time now I've been saying you shouldn't be able to qualify in one car then use that time for another, it's a nonsense or if you do use a car that you didn't qualify with then you're at the back or whatever time you did set with any given car, this might actually help with some races not having one make races, I'm sick of seeing by mid week or earlier the established meta car out of 30+ cars it's ridiculous !
Rant over pleb 😂 ps thought you woulda done your fav track Suzuka last week, 35 laps and dynamic weather!
Would have loved to have done the Suzuka race, unfortunately I was busy that weekend :(.
Quali in daily races should definitely happen. Only problem would be if that reduced the number of race laps possible, but a 5 minute quali session should happen every race, in my opinion….
Tidge? I race a lot of custom races and i have a sneaking suspicion that the time difference between myself and the AI is not always correct it seems the AI gains time even when it ( isn't ) travelling at the same speed as what i am. I think this relates somewhat to what you were experiencing in this video. ie. I don't have boost activated and the AI is never anywhere near my slipstream.
The AI can be a bit more unusual as the game controls them in really weird ways. Like if you're at the back they go slow and at the front they suddenly speed up (Which is random)
Do you think the same applies to your own lobbies? I've a gut feeling that this is the case. When I practicefor our Sunday league races, I often find some sessions better than others. Then on race day you can find yourself off your own practice race, even accounting for race-day nerves etc.
I suspect so unless you select equal conditions mode? I don't think that changes although I can't be 100% sure!
Very interesting video tidgney, up to this point i was only aware of the tail and head wind differences during seperate instances. I usualy just try to power through it, but after watching this video on tire temp, both are a waste of time if the conditions aren't right.
Just a question.
You talked about doing your B.O.P. tests in lobbies. I like to do alot time trial sessions "offline". Is this a bad idea? Because I need consistency for my testing sessions.
The critical part of practicing online vs offline is that you need to enable BOP otherwise you'll be very limited. You can't enable BOP offline very easily at a circuit which is really frustrating. It is a suggestion that was fed back to PD some time ago.
@@tidgney it was such a blessing in GT Sport to be able to turn B.O.P. whenever you were in offline time trial with. Gr. car. A QOL feature I didn't even think needed justifying until it was ABSENT MINDEDLY left out in GT 7👎☹️
*Now I depend on entering a quick arcade race just to find out the B.O.P. settings of a Gr. car. Just frustrating when you know that PD knows the solution to a problem but goes ignored for some time.
It’s been a long while since I commented on one of your videos Martin. All I can say is I’m not surprised that this game is still broken! At least I now know I’m not goin crazy cos I had noticed this before, but not noticed at the same time. Come on PD sort ya shit out!!!
Thankyou for commenting :)!
I've noticed something strange is going on with the next race for the manufacturers. Gr4 Dragon tail in reverse. I'm normally 1-4 seconds off the top time. I'm 12 seconds on this. And when looking at the times people are posting, and what people have posted in the past for this race. It doesn't add up.
This is to do with the fact that the top split (1) are driving Group 3 cars, and (2 and 3) are driving Group 4, but they've put all times on the same leaderboard.
@lewisrowden3544 That makes sense to the times. I'm in gt2. Thank you
PD is messing with us to get more engagement, just like how the reward, penalty and league systems seem to be designed to be frustrating.
Using Equal Mode (no wind/temp) in TT is not the best option to solve this.
Some people use the TT to practice the different conditions, specially for the races with dynamic weather. If TT uses Equal Mode, they would have to do this on Lobbies. But (1) some people don't know how to use lobbies, and (2) we don't have enough info to create a lobby with the exact same conditions as the TT/event.
A better and simpler solution is to show the track conditions, wind, temp, track time, and everything that makes any difference. Just show this in the screen before you go to the track, and also in the leaderboard and replays.
I don't know if PD will do this tho. It may scare the casuals because it's too much info to manage. People play GT cause it's just "sit and race", so managing the best session is a hassle. And I know this exists already, but since it's hidden, lots of people have no idea this exists.
Hmmm that's a very interesting thought with the conditions. There's actually no fundamental way to practice them fully when thinking about it as TT has no fuel or tyre wear so the car behaves completely different. Would be good to be able to copy/paste settings into a lobby, similar to that track day thing they've got (Only did that on day 1 so I can't remember what it's called).
Seeing the details of the session though would be a very good start.
Thanks for the comment! Love these comments as it makes me think about different aspects I may not have thought of
Interesting. There's been times I've set a quali time and then spent the rest of the week frustrated about not matching it. I always assumed it was because I'm a bit rubbish (only B:S at the mo) but maybe it's because of this.
At least there's something to tell myself when I keep going too slowly...
The car physics were good at update 1.31 i believe.after that pd did some changes and it was worse.the mr cars did get better in that update though
They will constantly change between FR cars feeling good and MR cars as they seem to swing how extreme the weight transfer is, it's quite random to be honest!
We should be doing a 5 min quali for every race. It’s 5 mins. That’s less time than just waiting for it to start now. And they do it for the manufacturers which runs every hour of the day so they can’t say it can’t be done
100% agree, 5 minutes rather than that random warmup
No wonder improvements for DR qualis are so inconsistent, thought it was just me being bad, and it still is but this doesnt help, it just makes me close the game in frustration more often than not.
The difference here, mate, is your top-flight ('military precision') skills 😃👍...The rest of us ('useful idiots') were assuming that we were just having an off-day!
But I do remember a year or two ago, trying to do the missions AFTER Polyphony had introduced headwinds... All my friends had got easy Gold times.
It was the same when they fitted "Comfort Softs" (or something equally unhelpful) to Rally Stages
Point is that the whole appeal of Gran Turismo's Time Attack was the Man vs Machine, same conditions for everybody...
Adding the random element effecticely makes it "Russian Roulette" with at least 5 of the 6 chambers filled with live rounds!...
Err, no thanks! 😒
O yes, I remember that head wind issue with the bugatti that was what the video was based on originally because some people were messaging me saying it was impossible so tried to make it impossible for me haha
There’s coding in the game that robs us and changes the game. Nurburgring , pp 750 Porsche cup one lap. When I ran on dry tires the track would have weather and rain out mid track. I changed the tires to intermittent, INCREASED! The hp of the car and guess what? No rain for seven attempts and the npc vehicles pull off on me by 7 plus seconds
Another thing is tyres. I've used the mclaren in daily race c this week and I noticed every session my tyres ended in the same condition bar one. In a no stop race and exact same driving. I couldn't understand why this one race tyres were worn worse at the end 🤔
Ahh ye the race temperature will change, I've had faster/slower races but I don't mind that as everyone is racing in the same conditions
@tidgney ahh I see, good to know, cheers pal 👍
I’ve noticed there’s performance differences between the practice sessions and the race with no changes to the car.
That is normal, as the race has tyre wear and fuel usage where the practice session doesn't. It's why I do the car profiles with x1 fuel and tyre wear (Also why Daily Race A has it).
Do you mean a quail window before each race? Like gtws? I would argue against that option as you are pressured by the limited time available. Equal conditions or just use your new found knowledge to restart until you get a good session.
Ye I did mean that before each race. Pressure is all apart of racing 😜, appreciate some don't like it though.
thanks for pointing this out!!
PD need to change quali to each session. If I can’t play Monday I basically don’t bother for the week. Just asking to be down the order each race.
It's something I definitely would like!
Tidge, how the hell did you discover this Mate. Well done
Through frustration at Watkins Glen when I was doing Beat the Meta in the Ford haha! I was like I don't get how I am 2 tenths down at the end of sector 1 from 1 corner. Then I was like WTH. It's why I was after saving footage where I could to show it.
Polyphony should eliminate metas with a BoP algorithm or even a randomizer.
Totally agree! They have to dix this.
The weather should be fixed, period! It does not make any sence to have any difference. And the weather in qualify and race should be the same
So would this have potentially affected the Olympic qualifying event we had a while ago?
No the conditions were equal for that funnily enough. PD know conditions change and can turn it off if needed
Ye they turned off the conditions because it was fedback about the issue.
In the sardegna 2x2 grid you show. You start the lap at the same 0.000 time and then hit pause at the same time. Surely your time stamps on all 4 videos should have been the same. And then the difference will be visually where you are on the track.
They are exactly the same and lined up the same. The idea was to look at the differences of the 4 different sessions. For example on Session 3 & 4 you can see one is slower at first then faster after at the same time difference which shows a difference in power at least for me that's what I see.
If any time is off by .001 that's due to the limit of recording not necessarily the game, I physically couldn't get them to be 20.817 for example if one is 20.816 as the next frame back is more than .001
Gostei muito do seu trabalho, organizou tudo para tentar desvendar coisas duvidosas, vou dar minha opinião, embora as opiniões relatadas por brasileiros não são muito levadas a sério. Preencho meu tempo com este aplicativo a 25 anos, posso não ser um bom piloto virtual, mas tenho experiência o suficiente para concluir que 20% é real e 80% não passa de uma grande manipulação e se você for um bom piloto vai notar isso. Basta seguir o recorde mundial e notar que as configurações do fantasma estão muito além das nossas, e nisto eles são totalmente favorecidos sem saber. Enquanto nós corremos com pneus corrida médio, eles estão com corrida macio, enquanto nós corremos com restrição de potência, eles têm carros nas condições normais e é por isso à estupenda diferença de desempenho. Enfim seria possível escrever um livro para explicar toda a manipulação da AI que eles usam para engane e ludibriar as pessoas com boas intervenções e se você está sendo bloqueado como eu, considere-se um bom piloto pois o resto não passa de uma grande manipulação. Um forte abraço 👍👍👍
I'm hoping google translate has done this accurately! Thankyou for your kind comment first of all regarding the video. In terms of the top drivers having different tyres that isn't true I'm afraid. Do remember that I have been a world finalist (Arguably one of the most successful in GT Sport as I attended the most live events). The top players are playing many hours and there times are set with the same settings minus the session times that are discussed in the video.
thanks again for your comment, I appreciate it!
How do you know you are in a "good" session. Trial and error? Isnt there a track temp somewhere?
You don't unfortunately all guess work unless you reference your speeds and sector times like I did in the video where at watkins sector time and just pure speed showed a huge difference.
@@tidgneyIn the Audi on Race A it has a temp gauge on the dash in VR. Starts at around 16.8C and rose to 17C in the one quali session i did. Could use that?
Was this the issue iRacing had before?, which is why they switched to qualifying before the daily race.
I would say, just switch to iRacing or ACC.
I do play ACC to, not sure with iracing but I know they have several qualifying issues of their own.
Wow!
Like deployed 👍
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So you want PD to follow the iRacing model of qualifying/race session.
It's a model used in many games, but for me it's the best way but I know for others it isn't
@tidgney I prefer the iRacing and ACC qualifying and race format over the PD model. I don't put more the 20 minutes into it anymore, but I honestly stopped racing on GT
Is the game accounting for the rubber being laid down, giving you grip?
Nah that doesn't happen in time trial, race wise I've no way to confirm that so wouldn't know unfortunately :(.
I've noticed this session differences myself. It's real. 🤔
Just make "One lap" quick qually with game spawning drives before last corner and also making other drivers invisible (they could be visually represented with moving lines on the track surface, even with psn-id at the edge of that line) - is it possible? WELL GT6 HAD ALL THAT LITERALLY as option to set in lobby racing!!! C'mon PD
Ye I miss those lines, they were amazing in GT6!