Ranking the Studio Albums: Nightwish
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- Join Pete Pardo & Chris Alo as they rank the albums of Finnish symphonic metal superstars Nightwish. #nightwish
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Human II Nature is one of my favorite albums by Nightwish. Both discs are great, and yes, I listen to the 2nd disc often (the review said that no one can listen to the 2nd disc more than once. Wrong. It's still in my car after nearly a year of listening to it.....). Nightwish has always had an orchestral film score influence to their music. They just make it shine on this record more than their others.
I listen to disc 2 of Human:||:Nature all the damn time, it's fantastic. I live very close to the New Forest in southern England and everytime it evokes those relaxing feelings I get just being out in nature, in the open away from civilisation and just part of the wider universe. I love it. I listened to it more than disc 1 which obviously leans more to their folksier influences it is certainly a grower, but once it sinks in its fucking fantastic, at least to me. Shoemaker just "ok"? Oh please. I can certainly see how it just doesnt work for some peoples tastes but to say its terrible, and awful is just laughable from an objective point of view. Even when its divisive Thuomas' song writing is masterful here and the performance are top notch. I did find it funny when they got in to certain songs and after writing the whole album off as awful there was lots of "yeh that songs ok, pretty good I guess". But hey, after liking a couple of songs from Nightwish but not super sold maybe I'm just biased to Floor era since EFMB and the Wacken '13 show roped me in.
@@AskesisGrappling I agree. Shoemaker is great!
nah, last album was boring garbage, especially that second disc
@@stalkermonolith4841 yah, last album was awesome, including that second disc. Fishmaster (yes I said "fish") was boring garbage.
Pete, you should do a ranking of Stratovarius
Thank you for this, I saw them "End of an Era" in Helsinki back in the time and then with Olson in Portland , OR. One of my favorite bands. I think by now I am watching this they are no longer
The just desserts story is priceless or pricey
I enjoy nitewish and thanks for straightening out the lead ladies for me
I definitely wondered why the approach level of this band varies so much
NOW I kNOW
I WAS ALWAYS SORTA CLUELESS AS TO WHAT TO EXPECT
I will just haveta Ketch Up the lin gwage as to say
You might not favor tarja at times but bless the child,nemo,i wish I had an angel are nightwish and always will be ,especially with the 9 steps backwards with this last album and seeing bands like lacuna coil ,amaranthe, delain and others have great new music 😀😀😀😀
The last two albums bored me to death. Feels like Floor is just a hired gun for Tuomas' solo band. I wish she would reform Re-vamp.
Their last album is quite OK but EFMB is the pinnacle of recycling songs.
I would rather that she kept alive After Forever. Tuomas takes forever on the Nightwish albums now. Not sure why she had to disband that group. Plenty of time to do stuff with them.
I think I need to also mention that the concert at Wacken (2013) is one of the best concerts ever recorded and put in DVD. Watching Floor’s stage presence and Jukka virtually exhaust himself on drums (he could hardly stand up at the end of the show) is as mesmerizing as it can get.
Exactly! That DVD did to Nightwish what Live After Death did for Maiden; but them on a whole other level.
Wacken was amazing
I have watched the show I don’t remember seeing Jukka struggling to walk at the end I seen him joking around with the cameraman at the end of the show
Agreed !!! Stumbled upon Wacken 2013 in 2015 and I still can't describe what that performance did to me. They have been my favorite current band since. Hands down.
I think their best song ever is 'Bless The Child'. Great metal riffing, dark, atmospheric, groovy.
Count me among those with a vote in favor of the new album. It's different from their previous work, but I don't have a problem with that.
Took a while to grow but I love the new outing, including disc 2 which I loooooove. Not sure if it pips EFMB it terms of Floor era albums (the open and close of that album, dayumn),but I still really rate it. Certainly far from awful even if it is divisive.
@@AskesisGrappling Floor would not put her voice to an awful album.
Imaginaerum put me to sleep the first time I heard it, but it grew on me. Human:Nature also takes some time to appreciate. It's ground breaking stuff.
Imaginaerum is the only Nightwish album that I didn't like the first time I listened to it. I listened to it 3 more times. By the 3rd listen, I loved it!
Human :II: Nature is also great. Surprisingly, I loved it the first time I listened to it.
Pete please do a Edguy album ranking. They are my second favorite band of all time. Saxon being my first!!!
Yes!!!! And Avantasia!
Edguy rulez
Anyone else here feel like Greatest show on earth would´ve worked much better as a 12-13 minute song instead of 24 minutes or does blasphemy lie upon my tongue?
Thanks for doing this episode. Nightwish is overlooked in America. A great live band, too.
Great show and very entertaining as always with Chris! "Spoken words shit" hahaha pure gold. And the most surprising part of the ranking is that Chris hates the last album but has not bought 8 versions of it hahaha. I absolutely love Nightwish, with Once being my favorite album. I actually like Human/Nature, but it did take me some 5 listens to actually dig it and only did so because I love the band so much and refused to accept the fact that they would put out such a bad album. So saying that it´s a grower is an understatement, and perhaps just their really biggest fans will actually want to put in the time to dig it. I have liked all their phases, Tarja was great but definitely was going to be a thorn on their side (have been unable to actually like any of her solo stuff). Annette was pretty good, although a bit underwhelming (dug an album she recently put out with Russell Allen: Worlds Apart). Floor has been wonderful! And all her records with After Forever kicked ass.
Shout out to After Forever maybe Pete and Chris could make a segment on them. I agree pretty much with you in the case of Nightwish.
I love NIGHTWISH ‘ Once’ and it’s my favorite!!🎼🎤🎸🎵🥁
Pete,.. A ranking the studio albums of The Gathering would be awesome!
True man, do it Pete!
The thing about Nightwish is as good as their studio records are they are demons in concert and that is where they have made their bones. Even if you think you don't care for them see them in concert anywhere and you will see veteran virtuoso musicians and artists, they really are that good. I saw them last in 2015 on tour with Sabaton and Delain and it was the best complete show I have seen since the Black and Blue Tour.
Sorry, Human:Nature is awesome.
Very surprised when I clicked on this. For some reason, the last person who I expected to see was Chris Alo. Great show as is everything with Chris on it. Pete and Chris are two people I would love a conversation with. If you are ever in England guys......
I don't agree with you at all, I think Human Nature is one of their best albums. Nightwish evolves faster and better than some of their rusty fans
Btw, I've recently realized that their bassist Marco is probably the most underrated vocalist ever. When I see people naming their favourite vocalists Marco is mentioned quite rarely. Before I went on to discover other metal bands he was my favourite vocalist. And I'd still pick him over Tarja, Anette and Floor as the best NW singer any day.
And he looks good, just look at his beard and his hair.
Agree 101% Marco is a great metal vocalist and performer. His part of Phantom Of The Opera... Wow!
I really like his recent solo album. It has a nice mixture of songs.
I think a Delain or Within Temptation would be interesting rankings.
Delain are absolutely fantastic I love them
@@mikem.7921 Don't think they have a weak album, love them all, never skip songs.
A Delain rankings would be amazing
Or Sonata Arctica.
1. Oceanborn
2. Century Child
Make America Metal Again!
1. Imaginaerum
2. Once
3. Dark Passion Play
4. Oceanborn
5. Century Child
6. Wishmaster
7. Human :ll: Nature
8. Endless Forms Most Beautiful
9. Angels Fall First
To me, Century Child is the bridge between Nightwish's older, more neoclassical/guitar driven sound and the more balanced/accessible sound. Overall, I choose Floor as the best of both worlds regarding vocals, but I feel the last 2 records are lacking the higher energy and amazing compositions like Once, Dark Passion Play and Imaginareum. Anette Olzen gets a lot flack for her live performances, she sang very well in the studio and her voice fits on those records. Tarja will always have that imprint on Nightwish and she brought a unique element as did Marco, who is absolutely a phenomenal songwriter and especially a singer. Imho, Tuomas will always be the heart and soul of the band and his sense of songwriting and storytelling is mesmerizing. However, he seems a bit controlling of what the rest of band members put on the table. I hope the next album has a little more traditional heavy metal elements (epic guitar harmonies, solos and monstrous riffs, crazy drum work and cool bass riffs).
I'll be the one guy, but I really like the first disc of Human Nature.
@@Iron_Mladen I didn't make it all the way through disc 2. Too much like a movie soundtrack.
I think Human Nature is one of their best albums. 2nd Disc is okay but the last song Ad Astra is an absolute masterpiece. I was in tears the first time I heard that song.
The first side is great the second side is a masterpiece.
This has got to be one of the most disappointing albums I have heard in my music listening career. Preachy earthy garbage that I hope Tuomas has gotten out of his system. Marco is basically ignored on the album. They gave one of the vocals to the pipes/aerophone dude. Are you kidding me?!!!
@@ericsloss3963 Yes preachy earthy message is a warning to us and to call that garbage is really unkind. Remember the message from the last of phrase sung on The Greatest Show on Earth was We Were Here not We Are Here. Since this album is the continuation of the last what did you expect. This is why this album is in two parts, Human and Nature and the warning is in order for the Human side to keep on existing it must work to save the Nature side.
You’re ridiculous. They don’t have a bad album. Human :II: Nature isn’t a good as others but still awesome.
If you have the freedom to call Emppu's latest album terrible, shit, awful, dull, and lifeless, then he should at least have the freedom to put ketchup on his Alfredo.
I couldn't get into Nightwish while Tarja was the singer. I just didn't like her voice or her stage persona. It took Floor to make me a fan and now I'm a major fan.
Human:Nature is like the Beatles' Yellow Submarine album. I've heard that lots of folks only listen to side 1, but I enjoy the whole thing.
For me it goes like this:
Century Child
Once
Oceanborn
Wishmaster
Dark Passion Play
Angels Fall First
Endless Forms Most Beautiful
Imaginaerum
Human | Nature
Glad there is one sane person on this thread who has Nature last.
Like your list. I love Oceanborn, I think thats an epic album.
Wow totally disagree about Human Nature
I think Human. :II: Nature will stand the test of time. It's different, it's not the typical Nightwish album however there's a lot of interesting stuff in there. It demands time.
I maybe one of a few but i love the second disc
Agree,..actually enjoyed the more experimental vibe of it !
I really enjoyed the first disc but the second disc put me to sleep.
@@w-james9277 I think Tuomas should have released it as a separate solo album.
Oddly enough I enjoyed the second albums with Annette and Floor more than their first
Honestly a little surprised Chris would be a fan. Always thought he was more into the traditional and darker sides of metal. A pleasant surprise none the less! Nightwish is a treasure of a band.
I do tend to go traditional and dark for sure. I wish I was more varied like Pete and some of the other guys, to be honest!
@@chrisalo2989 Very surprised! Chris Alo I like your take no prisonner approach! You seem to be the kind of guy I you have like to hang out and ramble on things. Even though I disagree with your take on the last album I respect your takes and love your stories. You have your opinion! Opinions are like ass holes we all have one. Peace out from North of the border!
I quite like Human :||: Nature. I don't think it's their best but I think it sounds pretty good overall. Music, shoemaker, noise, and endlessness do stand out to me.
This is a Cool, Hot and Spot- On female front band!! Nightwish really rocks it!! Thank you for ranking their studio albums!!🎼🎤🎸🎵🥁
The pasta story deserves a BIG thumbs up ! Never laughed that loud this year !
Will have to have a listen but another great band of this Genre...Within Temptation
I couldn't disagree with your evaluation of the newest album. Heaviest tracks on the album are Tribal, Pan and Noise but you only appear to have listened to the single Noise. As for the second disc - it's experimental and not intended to be typical Nightwish - it's Tuomas showing some of his non-metal skills. So many people are loving this album - not sure why you think everyone is hating it.
This is a bit of a long comment, but it's Nightwish and I absolutely adore Nightwish. Going from worst to best, this is how I rank them and why.
9. Angels Fall First - This album is far from terrible, but it's definitely nowhere near the quality of what the band would go on to make later. I'm also not a huge fan of Tuomas' singing on this album. I'm so glad he decided to move away from shared vocal duty because he's a great songwriter and keyboardist, but not so great a vocalist. Even then, his songwriting isn't really good on this album. I mean, he opens a track with the line "The scent of a woman was not mine." Tuomas is so much better at writing than that as the other albums will indicate.
8. Once - I may get some hate for this, but I feel this album is a bit overrated and overplayed. It still has some great tracks and production, but it has some tracks that are too forgettable, especially when compared to other big tracks the band has done. Now, let's also talk about the elephant in the room that is Creek Mary's Blood. The song was written with good intentions, but they were kind of overshadowed by the fact that the guy they got to speak in Lakota was actually revealed to be a fraud who spoke gibberish that he claimed was Lakota. You can't blame the band for that, but it still kind of ruins the experience of the album. That whole thing aside, there are still some tracks I love. Ghost Love Score is the first track that comes to mind when I think of Nightwish and Nemo, while overplayed as hell, is still a beautiful song. Unfortunately, the album just doesn't do it for me. It also feels a bit hard to listen to since this was the last they did with Tarja and tensions are definitely apparent here.
7. Dark Passion Play - I have a bit of a complicated relationship with this album. Being the first without Tarja, I was initially quite cold to this album and I was quite unsure of Anette's vocals. Don't get me wrong, I do love Anette just fine and I actually enjoy her Dark Element project with Jani Liimatainen of Sonata Arctica fame. That said, she really wasn't the right choice for Nightwish in the grand scheme of things and I think it was always apparent. However, I do still enjoy her role on this album because of the context of everything. The band was broken and trying to bring themselves back together after everything that happened with Tarja. I don't want to call it a breakup album because it really isn't one and calling it that makes the whole Tarja thing sound a bit more intimate than it actually was and Nightwish fans love to take these things the wrong way. That said, I really can't think of a better word for this album and it's especially hard to not see it as a sort of breakup album when you listen to Tarja's first solo album which came out the same year and has a lot of the same attitudes on it. That's another topic altogether, though.
6. Endless Forms Most Beautiful - This one is growing on me, but I find it has a similar issue to what Once has. So many of the tracks are just forgettable while others are quite great. Our Decades in the Sun made me love Floor and The Greatest Show on Earth is just a breathtaking epic. It's just tracks like Yours is an Empty Hope, My Walden, and Alpenglow that don't quite do it for me. Also, this being the first album with Floor and Once being the last with Tarja, it does have a noticeably different attitude to it. This album does feel like a band who's found the light at the end of the tunnel after all the drama they've been through with the past two vocalists.
5. Wishmaster - I know you guys said you aren't huge fans of when Tarja went all the way operatic, but I'll admit she was the selling point for me when I first got into Nightwish. In fact, I had a hard time getting myself to listen to the later albums without her at first. Now, this album would've initially been in third place if I didn't decide to quit being stubborn and immature about everything. This album felt like a sort of continuation of that style I fell in love with. However, the songwriting is admittedly a bit generic at times. It feels a bit like Tuomas wanted to churn something quick out after Oceanborn, but didn't put much thought into the songwriting aside from with a few tracks. The Kinslayer and Dead Boy's Poem are the only two that lyrically feel like they do have personal weight to what they are saying since one is about Columbine and one is about an antisocial child finding an escape in music. Everything else just feels like songs about fantasy references and sexual urges written to please the fans at the time.
4. Human. :||: Nature. - I get it. This album is overly ambitious and not for everyone. The second disc especially isn't anything special and it's something I really need to be in the mood for. That said, this album did feel like a musical journey that I felt I kind of missed on Endless Forms Most Beautiful. I think I ma compare this to Tales from Topographic Oceans by Yes. It's overly ambitious, not for everyone, a bit long and drawn out, and kind of tiring at times, but it is one hell of a journey. I'm not sure how this album will hold up in the future because of how new it is, but I definitely love it now.
3. Century Child - It's almost like Tuomas and the band decided to actually give a damn again after Wishmaster. While Dark Passion Play may be the band's most personal album due to the circumstances surrounding it, this is the album that speaks to me most on a personal level. In fact, my entire top three sort of speak to me in a sort of "mind, body, and soul" sort of way and fight each other often for the top spot. This one may not have been my first Nightwish album, but it was the one that cemented them as one of my favourite bands of all time if not my favourite. Literally every track on this album is perfect to me. My only complaint is that the album feels too short. I should also mention the album art. While it doesn't influence my opinion whatsoever, this is exactly the sort of thing I think of visually when I think of Nightwish. I don't know what else I can really say about this one. It's also the first with Marco Hietala and he is obviously amazing. I guess that's all I can really say about it.
2. Imaginaerum - So far, this is the only Nightwish album to make me cry. The album cover is a roller coaster for a good reason. This album is an absolute roller coaster! It's like Pink Floyd's The Wall as written by Neil Gaiman and directed by Tim Burton. Now, I understand Anette's vocals on this might not be for you guys, but I actually don't mind them here. The whole pixie princess aesthetic she had at the time really worked for the album's themes of wonder and childhood imagination. In fact, I think that's where Anette was able to shine the most with the band. Songs about childhood innocence like Meadows of Heaven, Eva, and for the Heart I Once Had were where I felt her voice worked the best on Dark Passion Play. This album relishes in that while still managing to be a grand epic. Had Nightwish and Anette worked it out for one more album, they probably would've given us something even darker and grander. Then again, Tuomas seems pretty focused on the whole biology thing right now and I don't think Anette would be a good fit for that. Who knows, though?
1. Oceanborn - This is the very first album I ever heard of Nightwish and still the one that blows me away the most. This was their breakthrough album and, honestly, the debut they truly deserved. I know I said the same thing for Century Child and feel it for Imaginaerum as well, but this album is truly perfect from start to finish. It's dark, beautiful, magical, and the music makes you feel like you're actually the woman floating in the ocean on the front cover. It's quite difficult for me to imagine a Nightwish album ever topping this one even though Imaginarrum and Century Child do come awfully close.
All of that said, I want to thank you both for taking the time to rank these albums. This is a band I've not seen many people rank and it's great to see more people share their opinions on a band whose music means a great deal to me.
Nice ranking! I'm a fan from the first release and I can barely rank them. they all have a special place and time for me. I love the new release. The lyrics videos to each song sucked me and I was all in after that. The second side is definitely something to be in the mood for.
Just revisited Imaginaerum - it was a great album. Much better than Dark Passion Play, and as an album it was one of their best. Diverse, interesting, theatrical, with a range of emotions and moods in it, great vocal work both by Annette and Marko, with good melodies. Once, of course, has Ghost Love Score in it and because of that will always have a special place in Nightwish discography (and in my heart), but that's basically it: this is the only track on the album that you just can't stop listening once you've started, you're just caught by it and have to stay till the end no matter how many times you've heard it before - a masterpiece, a true gem. For me it's strange that this song wasn't mentioned in the conversation. And I can't agree with low rank of Oceanborn. It's definitely the best of their first three and one of their best in total. It has that combination of power metal sound with great keyboard parts and true operastic vocal done in the most interesting and tasteful way, which was exactly what made them stand out and turned people's ears to them. Still, a great video in overall, very interesting, and Chris is amazing!
Once the best
I fell in love with Floor recently...had never heard of Nightwish. I bought Human II, but have barely listened. The problem for me is I came into NW late and still can't stop listening to EFMB. Also, Floor live Wacken 2013 is astonishing.
Agreed 100%.....i had not heard of Floor or Nightwish 5 months ago but after hearing a lot about them in a short space of time decided to see what all the fuss is about and OMG. Totally floored by Floor and the band 👍😊
Epica, In This Moment, Evanescence, Lacuna Coil and Pretty Reckless have great music, great female lead who r also nice to look at.
Frankly Pete, I would have rather you doing the ranking than with Chris, who is this guy?
From you Pete it was a good review, mabye better you do it alone, it was in general a disappointment for such a great Band
Before I watch this video, I love all of their albums. But Wishmaster is my favorite due to it being my first Nightwish album and it has an extra nostalgia factor.
Great video and hilarious inside stories! However, I have mixed sensations regarding Floor in Nightwish. When I heard "Showtime, Storytime" Floor's live performance really blew my mind, I thought: they really nailed with her. When I learned they were recording a new album with her I thought it would be epic. However when "Endless Forms" came out, it was a sort of disappointment. It is an OK record, but I think Floor's vocal performance was restrained by the composition of the songs, and same happened with "Human Nature". I think they need to rework the songwriting to give her more prominence, to unleash her vocal prowess as they did with Tarja in "Century Child" and "Once"
Good comments. I don't think we've gotten the full Floor with the 2 studio albums. I know what she can do being a huge After Forever fan. Endless was good. But this latest album is just a huge step back.
I was shocked at his thoughts on Human Nature. Lol. I think its pretty good. Not their best, but definitely a good album. Endless Forms is my favorite.
Haven't listened to Human Nature yet, so I can't really comment on it, but over the last year or two I finally worked out my opinion on the entire Nightwish catalogue. The Anette-era is by far my least favorite incarnation of the band, and really only because I hate Dark Passion Play so so so, so very much. Imaginaerum I think was better than Endless Forms Most Beautiful, but neither are particularly great. I think Floor Jansen breaking up ReVamp to join Nightwish was probably the worst possible outcome. My Favorite is the three album stretch of Oceanborn, Wishmaster, and Century Child (Oceanborn being my favorite).
Once
Oceanborn
Dark Passion Play
Century Child
Wishmaster
Imaginaerum
Endless Forms Most Baeutiful
Angels Fall First
Human Nature
The venue you saw Them in with Anette was the old Nokia Theater, now Playstation Theater.
Human II Nature is one of my faves :) Funny, I did not expect it is your last in the list
Oddly a similar ketchup incident broke up Deep Purple . Ian Gillan as a practical joke poured ketchup all over Ritchie Blackmore's pasta , unlike the Nightwish Guitarist he didn't appreciate the combo . Blackmore proceeded to shove the plate of pasta in Gillan's face . That practical joke helped mark the second breakup of the Deep Purple Mark2 lineup . This time around it was Ritchie not Ian that would depart .
Also: in Deep Purple's early years, when Ritchie did extended solos, Ian would head to local bars and drink - asking roadies to get him when Blackmore was nearly finished.
1.once
2.wishmaster
3. Century child
4. Ocean born
5. Angels fall first
Even though I think Annette is the weakest ( but still good) of the three singers I actually rate the two albums with her the highest.... just love the songs and production quality on them. I also love Once, Century Child and Endless Forms but not quite as much. The early Tarja era stuff I find a bit of a grind for all the reasons Pete mentions. I’ve yet to hear the latest for myself but my expectations are low...
I also love how Chris doesn’t mince his words, makes me laugh... great show guys.
Tarja was my favorite in Nightwish. I love hearing the different views. Great vid, Pete
I love Human Nature. Atmosphere is incredible here. My list:
Once
Human Nature
Imaginearum
Dark Passion Play
Century Child
Wishmaster
Oceanborn
Endless Forms (I don't understand this album)
Angels Fall First
Also, I prefere Tarja's opera singing, it gives a band uniqueness
I love Imaginaerum. And I happened to see Nightwish on that tour in Paris, France. Probably the best show of my life. But I will say a lot had to do with the larger stage show in Europe.
Anette wasn’t the best with the older Nightwish material live. But really good on her material. I saw Tarja solo live a few years ago and it was only exciting when she covered Nightwish unfortunately.
Lastly, Anette is currently in a band called The Dark Element with guitarist Jani Liimatainen (ex-Sonata Arctica). They’ve made 2 very good and catchy metal albums.
We both share the exact same opinion with Tarja, which is why I was never able to get into Nightwish's first 3 albums.
I'll add by saying that I'm a big fan of Century Child and Once but that's because Marko was also on those albums. Tarja by herself however is something I can only listen to a certain amount of.
Lacuna coil,delain,within temptation,amaranthe,sirenia,seven spires ,beyond the black there's tons
I loved Chris’s stories!! Wasn’t Max Cavalera’s wife a thorn in the side of the rest of Sepultura?
1.Oceanborn
2.Once
3.Century Child
4.Wishmaster
5.Angels Fall First
6.Endless Forms Most Beautiful
7.Dark Passion Play
8.Imaginarium
9.Human :II:
I don’t care much for anything after Tarja.
Yes, definitely, both Sepultura and Fear Factory had issues with wives who were band managers.
Imaginaerum is one of the greatest albums of all time 😂
I have to say I used to love Nightwish, but having heard the story about what Emppu did to his fettuccine alfredo, I don't think I will ever be able to listen to them again! On a more serious note, when I first heard this ranking I was totally on board with both Pete and Chris's opinion of Human. :II: Nature. But, a couple of years on, I feel they have been waaaaaaay too harsh. Yes, it probably would still be near the bottom of my list, but it has some strong material. Music, Noise and Shoemaker are all solid. How's the Heart, Tribal and Endlessness are also good. It seems as if it is the second disc that is getting most of the hate, but I just wouldn't include this! I do see it as more of a bonus/extra disc, and certainly wouldn't let it drag down my opinion of the first record. Be interesting to hear what Pete thinks of it now, ahead of the new album Yesterwynde coming out.
And I have to say Tarja solo stuff is not my thing sorry
I dig the female fronted bands. Love Sirenia, Epica, Blackbriar...lots of great stuff out there
Me too! I have been listening to Xandria lately. I really like "Theater of Dimension" and "Neverworld's End." Some people think they are a Nighwish rip-off, but I like them! I like some of Delain's albums, too (esp. "The Human Contradiction").
@@wvdavidr I'll try them out, thanks!
I disagree Human Nature is good
Ranking of vocalists: Floor is a Valkyrie, whereas Tarja and Annette are mere mortals.
I also loved the ketchup on alfredo prank (you have to admit it was funny) - in the early 1990s, Ian Gillan pulled this one on Ritchie Blackmore, who shoved the plate in his face.
I do not think Human:Nature is quite as bad as you think. It sort of grows on you and goes from progressive/folky to the poppy how’s heart, which I do like.I have always liked the folky/keltic vibes in nw music.
Human II took a few listens to like. Still my least favorite. So many different styles throughout their career that it's really hard to rank. Endless Forms is phenomenal with "The Greatest Show on Earth " an absolutely epic, epic, epic journey.
Toumas can be brilliant but his ego is too large ,I'm thinking this is why Marco left it's like mr roboto and styx ,Marco was like wtf lol and Marco is a huge part of nightwish ,and they can't keep a singer too much ego 😀😀😀😀😀😀😀
Finally, somebody with enough balls to call "Human Nature" a pile of crap. Obviously this was supposed to be Tuomas' grand opus, but he clearly let his ambitions get the better of him this time. Disc 1 has a few good songs, while disc 2 is plain boring. Another thing is that the singers fairly often have a hard time fitting the lyrics into the structure of the song. This is not a new thing with NW, but it's painfully obvious on this album. I'm a big fan of the band, but when I listen to music, I call it as I hear it, and they really let us down with this one.
Great video guys, really enjoyed listening, especially the insider stories! Sounds like Emppu likes to mess up his food like he messes up live solos, lol. I have a tiny snippet of my own: I've seen them live in late 2004 on the Once tour, and I attended a meet & greet, got to see them and shook hands with the guys, got my drumsticks signed by Jukka and a massive poster signed by the whole band. Me and the group I was with got them some gifts as well: a bottle of local wine for each of the guys and a massive bouquet of flowers for Tarja that I handed to her. Marcelo was there in the front row, felt like he was burning a hole through the back of my skull; Tarja was polite but very reserved, got up and accepted the flowers, passed them on and awkwardly sat back down, no handshake or a hug or many words at all. I was super excited as I was quite young and seeing my favorite band (at the time) so didn't think much of it then, but things started to make sense shortly after, the tension was palpable in the room. Good memories though, was a great gig and they drank the wine on stage that night.
Here's my ranking of the albums:
9) Human Nature
(let's forget it exists)
8) Angels Fall First
7) Endless Forms Most Beautiful
(Though I love Floor, it sounds good, and is well put together, I find all of the songs unmemorable)
6) Imaginaerum
5) Wishmaster
4) Dark Passion Play
3) Once
2) Oceanborn
(just too many good tracks, it's also the album most featured in their Decades compilation)
1) Century Child
(swap Forver Yours with Sleeping Sun and you have the perfect Nightwish album)
I'm with you guys on the new album. Disc 1 has some good tracks although not as good as Endless Forms, but why do a not particularly thrilling 30 minute instrumental when you have one of the finest vocalists in rock music???
My Ranking:
9. Angels Fall First
8. Wishmaster
7. Oceanborn
6. Human II Nature
5. Century Child
4. Dark Passion Play
3. Endless Forms Most Beautiful
2. Once
1. Imaginaerum
If covid-19 wasn't already bad enough, 2020 is an even shittier year as both Nightwish and Ayreon released their worst album ever.
One more, as a italian eating cheeseburger, why you are complaining about the ketchup over pasta alfredo and who beside americans and finns who don’t know about food, eat alfredo anyway?😂
I am not very familiar with their whole discography so can't really chip in seriously with a ranking, but I totally get what both Pete and Chris say about Tarja's voice. She is undoubtedly extremely skilled from a technical POV, but I much prefer Floor to her. Plus, Chris' stories are fantastic, always a joy. Thanks both of you. 😀
Interesting fact, Elize Ryd from Amaranthe auditioned for Nightwish after Tarja left. She was denied because she was too young. I think she has as good of range and power as Floor. So she ended up in doing well in Amaranthe, totally different band but love her in Amaranthe.
I do not mind Human / Nature .. Just a marmite album I guess ! Think it was Thomas trying to sneakily create a solo album within the confines of Nightwish.. Within Temptation are there equals .. needs a rating video as well...
I'm surprised you guys did not point out Tuomas god awful terrible vocals on Angels Fall First. That alone makes it in last place for me.
I'm not familiar with most of their stuff, but I have Angels Fall First (1997) and Century Child (2003).
Century Child - German import.
favorite album is Century Child
Continue ranking Symphonic metal bands albums. Do After Forever, Epica and Within temptation. Would be interesting to hear your thoughts on their discographies.
I was laughing almost to the point of tears over the Emppu ketchup story!😂😂
1. Once. 2. Dark Passion Play. 3. Imaginaerum. 4. Endless Forms Most Beautiful.
5. Oceanborn. ...Fans of the Anette era be sure to check out her FANTASTIC 2017/2019 Dark Element albums,..Both blow last 2 Nightwish releases away!
Very brutal assessment of Nightwish, particularly Human Nature. This album is not horrible. Like all good bands, they have evolved over the years (as Opeth has) to adopt a new sound. I appreciate the fact that they have become more symphonic. If everything sounded like Once, you'd get listening fatigue.
Sorry we didn't think EVERY album is a slam dunk...can't love every album. I think we spoke quite highly about the majority of this catalog. Why don't you post your own ranking?
Tarja *was* Nightwish to me. There has been a couple of good tracks after offcoz, but most of the "NW-evergreens" are (for me) with her on vocals.. no doubt
I'm not sure what you're smoking, Human Nature is not THAT bad of an album
If Human II Nature was a bad album, Floor the Valkyrie would have dealt with the executives via divine punishment.
Glad to see one of my all time favorite bands on here and I (mostly) agree with you guys on the order that these albums were ranked. I would love to see a Top 10 songs video for Nightwish. I also wouldn't mind see ranking albums/ 10 songs for Delain, Epica and Within Temptation.
More like a top 20 list with the amount of god like songs they made
@@rjcorreia3788 I know, right?
Do a rant on Annette's New band : Dark Element! Great band have 2 of there Albums on Spotify. Yes I know you don't like Spotify! If you don't have afford the CD Spotify is perfect And it's A Swedish company! Greetings from Sweden.
I couldn't even get through the Human. :II: Nature first disc, let alone the second one
Once has the commercial edge over the others but I've always felt it has less of a journey compared to most the other albims. As a listen. But yes lots of great hits....I've just always questioned the variety on it to keep me engaged compared to the others. What the hay great band. And totally agree Floor is the most amazing....
I agree. I think "Once" gets bogged down with slow tracks (one in Finnish) in the middle. It then becomes waiting for "Ghost Love Score."
Great show guys. Worth checking out a underground band called Ruby the hachet fron New Jersey. Planetary space child title track is magical and heavy blanket from album valley of the snake is killer. . Love Chris stories. Pete always delivers.
I followed Nightwish from the beginning and had this love/hate relation with them. Never bought the first albums with Tarja simply because of her operatic voice. Made me like, but at the same time dislike, their music. And she's a great vocalist, but for me it was just too much. It is a pity that now they have a good singer (Floor) that the ablum is very disappointing. So, my love-hate relation with Nightwish continues. After listening to all their albums, I never had the urge to buy any of them. And about " The Gathering" , I agree and I prefer Anneke's voice over anybody else (and lately Cammie Gilbert, she has something special as well).
Showtime Storytime ??
My top five are 1. Dark Passion Play 2. Imaginarium 3. Endless Forms Most Beautiful. 4. Century Child 5. Wishmaster
Me as well but I think Once is a little better than EFMB
Interesting as always but Chris is wrong about Human Nature. I was a bit disappointed on the first listen I went searching for their standout and epic tracks and thought I couldn't find any. A friend of mine told me to give it time and listen to it and of course, I changed my mind. It's a fantastic album full of complex elements and instruments with some of the best tracks they've ever done like Shoemaker, Procession, and Endlessness. Beautiful songs with great lyrics, which Floor outdoes herself singing. Other people seem to think the same and to dismiss it as a dog of a record 'dull and lifeless' makes me wonder about all your reviews. It's not a disappointing album it's one of their best but this is a very disappointing review.
Hmmm...I respectfully disagree. Tarja was a fantastic, unique singer I don't think they have been the same without her. Floor is a dynamite vocalist (her work with After Forever and Arjen speak for themselves) but I don't think they have utilized her talents to the fullest on the studio albums.
1.) Oceanborn
2.) Century Child
3.) Once
4.) Wishmaster
5.) Dark Passion Play
6.) Angels Fall First
7.) Imaginaerum
8.) Endless Forms Most Beautiful
9.) Human Nature
Saw Nightwish live in LA this Spring. Floor is truly amazing, This might be sacrilege, but i would hold her up too Beyonce ,Gaga, Taylor Swift, Pink just to name a few American Artists.
I think their next album (hopefully) will really play to her strengths.
Angels fall first is a classic from them
More Chris on channel please.
I entirely agree! Chris Alo is Pete’s best guest - love him !
Sounds so strange to hear such vitriol leveled at Human||Nature. I mean, worst of all time? Wow... there's are so many of us that absolutely LOVE this album.
Well, you also just stated in another comment that you don't like the earlier stuff, and I'm sure there will be many that won't agree with that. We all hear these albums differently, and it's ok to have your own favorites!
@@seaoftranquilityprog I actually don't know if I like the older stuff. Unfortunately, I can't listen to it. 😕
In 5 or maybe 10 years, you'll do an update on 'Albums that you dismissed but now consider great' and 'HumanIINature' will be one of them, recognised as the masterpiece that it is.