While I understand the reason behind the split, it kinda breaks my heart to see Oga speaks like they accept that Holostars will always play second fiddle to Hololive. People like Rikka had proven time and time that his talents are worth millions of views, which he does get when he collabbed with Matsuri and Calliope, but when he sang solo or with a fellow Holostar suddenly his views hardly break 200K. It's like they know the market is unfair but they have no choice but to deal with it. Of course it's not limited to Holostars, even fellow Hololive members like Akirose suffered the same issue. They're no less talented than their peers, they just drew the short end of the marketing stick.
Its sad but also thats what happens when you have a kkgjjgilllion VTubers streaming many times a day. Its pretty hard to always be on for one, let alone many of the hologirls, and or Holostars. Luna has 3-4k on her streams. Aki got 2k. I wish Cover would stop with the auditions. I think its too much and I don't like the answer we got from Yagoo in the Coco interview.
@@ero-senninsama1734 personally I won't mind if there were to be auditions for ID Gen 3 (EN Gen 2 is still ongoing) since they're more carefree, but yea maybe auditions for the main JP branch (and for EN after Gen 2 debuts) should stop for a while as we should support the current existing talents, especially talents like Mel, AkiRose, and AZKi who still has less subs than Gen 2-5 members
@@megurian4611 he basically answered that he is worried by the amount of VTubers, but there is no cap yet. I mean, it was just a messy cop out answer and Coco really pointed it out with "im sure our fans will be satisfied with that answer" which was really cool. It was a mostly wholesome interview but Coco threw 2 or 3 jabs at Yagoo and Cover Corp
@@xxx_lolidestroyer69_xxxuwu58 yeah. Right now is just impossible with the JP branch. Overlapping times and stuff. I get it that they are supposed to be many options for different tastes. But its impossible to keep up. And sure, for the people that prefer more hologirls speaking on their language, let's keep up hololive ID and EN. Havent seen much of ID but the en branch is a really solid unit. Like a wide variety of personalities, very different but that compliment each other so well. But sure Gen 2 would still be sustainable and give the En branch a bit more mass.
I respect and love Holostars a lot. These guy have adapted pretty well despite being hated from the beginning. They have been on the slow grind, so when I see them reaching new stages I feel just so proud of them. I don't see them as hololive, each one of them has their own identity and I hope someday they understand that for many fans, holostars is not in anyone's shadow.
Kaoru moment but damn Kira was months of exploding in views Kira had everything to attract global audiences if he lasted just after every holostars reached 100k he would probably be the top one Alas, he retired due to his health Still would be cool to see if he returns one day
One important fact to remember is that the hololive girls and holostars boys also need an actual incentive to do a collab. The reason why Coco reached out to Kaoru (and no one else) is because Kaoru and Coco had mutual interest in beauty products(?) and such and could work something out with that.
I believe it was because Kaoru was performing hair removal live, something coco had done sometime before, so she maybe found it funny and decided to comment
Wonder what Kaoru is up to these days. It would be great if what Coco did with her graduation would make it ok for members to talk about other graduates without having to talk like they are a memory that are to be forgotten, not even allowed to say their name, even if everyone knows who they are talking about. I feel like it should be ok to say the name, because they were part of all of this and the work they did shouldnt be treated like some kind of taboo. Of course its sad to talk about something like this so its not a good idea to bring it up a lot, but it feels more like they are forbidden to talk about it normally, which makes it even more sad. But I dont have insider information, so it might just be my naivety speaking.
There was an Aruran minecraft stream where he openly talked about graduated members, I don't think is Taboo but maybe it's just sad to do it and they try to avoid it.
@@javierpantoja8978 It's also probably a bit of Japanese culture at play there in terms of how one talks about things. The Japanese way of conversation is less direct than English, or at least, from what I've read from Japanese history I believe that to be the case.
Aloe has also been referred to by other Holomems, and the rest of gen 5 has said "we will always be five members." It sounds like they're only flat-out not allowed to bring someone up if they got fired, but it's fine if they quit.
@@SecretIdentityStudio Granted, Aloe's reasons for leaveing were understanding since we must remember she ended up being an unfortunate victim of doxxing and cyberbullying. The most likely reason why Clover chose not to archive Aloe's channel and vidos along with removeing her profile from the website, was most likely something requested by Aloe herself personally. Which considering the kind of harassment she was receiving from the antis, her decision to have Clover do so is understandable from her standpoint.
@@PeiceofNick I thought there was also the factor that Cover gives the option to keep archives up if the talent has streamed for a year. Kira brought up something similar at his graduation as to why he held on as long as he did.
I don't think the people they interact with overlap the people hololive talents interact with. Since them mostly stream from home studios, that means they have virtually no contact.
Thank you for the clip! The past years into months, weeks and days have just been an emotional wheel of feels for them. It's clear that there's been a lot of things among the minds of Holostars and surprisingly, I wouldn't think that they'd even be able to talk about things like this but considering all the things that has already happened, it just feels like the boys are giving a heads up for the future with some of them having come forward about a lot of things.
Awww I can kinda imagine that Oga is too sad to stream that day :( Oga is so nice awww. But I think personally they should have treated each other like a family. They're from same company afterall . It's just a shame some fans are treating them like idols, they don't want them to have that kind of interactions. Holostars are bunch of good boys afterall, they need more recognitions! Coco commented on Kaoru's stream? Wow I didn't know she did that, awww Coco.
I wish Hololive was something more like Nijisanji on the aspect of having the opportunity to collab Male-Female, and not make this barrier between them. I hope to see Oga and the rest of the Holostars doing more collabs and getting the attention they really deserve!
They can't or rather they aren't catering to that audience. They are selling their Vtubers as Idols, and have to keep males and females separate to preserve the illusion of attachment to their fans, because Idols are forever in a relationship with their supporters. But I do think there are collabs occasionally.
@@YasaiTsume Cover might eventually shoot themselves in the foot if they keep up the whole idol culture mentality, to be honest. It was fine when they were a smaller company that focused mainly on a Japanese audience, but as the company grows and gains more international fans they'll eventually run into a wall where the vast majority of people think that the whole "boys and girls can't interact" thing is kinda retarded.
Can't say I disagree with you, but the Fubuki collabs with HoloStars get an insane amount of dislikes compared to the normal Hololive collabs so I understand the decision behind that. I wish idol culture wasn't so harsh man, while famous people getting married is considered normal.
@@frobsonsdesenhos before I fell into the hole, there was some discussion about the boys getting dislike ratio’d. Their homebase market is what’s volatile about the gender barrier and while I agree that idol culture plays into that, its much more complex if you take into account that these are people that decided to be vtubers i.e., some are introverts and some cater to specific audiences. Overseas viewers would not mind them collaborating but even then there are overseas fans that are highly possessive stans.
Kinda underlated, but honestly, hearing Oga mention how Holostars are basically forbidden from interacting with the girls, it wouldn't surprise me if that would affect any future Holostars auditions.
It may affect JP Hololstars but if/when Holostars EN occurs I doubt it will matter much. The EN branch is very similar to the ID branch in that they don't really care who they collab with. Hell I probably wouldn't be too far off by saying the primary reason not so many collabs have even happened is because of the existing language barrier. Calli's collabed with Rikka and Roberu has commented in a stream of hers, Astel has sent Ame a super chat and Kiara has considered getting Roberu on Holotalk. It may not happen with Japan but as ID and EN grow I don't think it's going to matter in the long run.We just have to get there first.
@@PurpsJL_HAQ I get your point with Mori but other EN members really don't seem to have any interest to collab with Stars and all those things you mentioned happened months ago. And even if EN branch is not considered idols you still gonna have those kinda fans. Only reason deadbeats hardly have those kinda fans is because Mori has been open about it since her debut.
@@PurpsJL_HAQ Ya, maybe I'm talking out of my a$$, but we don't actually see these people as 'idols' right? I mean, we understand the concept and all, but at the end of the day for us they're just streamers that sometimes do side projects like singing awesomely. As so, I think an Holostar EN would be popular. The same way our generic male streamers (even tho they're losing to the hot tub meta) are plenty successful.
Future debuts? Stars was always like this from the onset, the second they dropped they got flamed and YAGOO had to assure people they'd never cross over until FBK decided to extend an olive branch to them and things tempered. So anyone auditioning already knew. Most of the girls don't consider interacting with them even if they really want to because of their insane idolbuta viewers, unless its someone like FBK or Matsuri.
The more I look into it, the sadder I get. The feeling of inferiority is a terrible thing, and yet, it seems like the HoloStars have to just learn to deal with it. And yet, I'm almost positive that one of the biggest reasons HoloStars have such smaller audiences is simply because Cover Corp lets it happen. Just because they're guys, and don't sexually appeal to the wide audience isn't really a good reason for why they don't get much attention. Think about it. Nijisanji has it's male talents on level with its female ones. Furthermore, some of the biggest personalities on TH-cam (not just VTubers) are males who attract a wide audience because of their entertaining personality. No. HoloStars are left in the dust because Cover Corp doesn't do much more than the bare minimum to support them. They get basically no advertising whatsoever, whereas the girls appear on public windows and boards over in Japan. The girls of the JP branch have the HoloLive Graffiti shorts, whereas HoloStars has nothing even remotely similar. I know it wouldn't fix everything, but if Cover Corp could just stop playing favorites, I'm sure it'd be a step in the right direction.
you can't really get mad at a company playing business they are looking to make money/return on investment but I also agree you shouldn't just let a side of the company just sit cause its not making money. as a Male I watched holostars because of Kaoru he was perfect yaoi bait for me thats how I found that holostars was a just a great time in general. the only thing I can say as advice is all the hololive girls play into their fans fetishes their lewd for a reason I feel they should honestly play into the Fujoshi market get yaoi bait as hell because the Fujoshi market may not be huge but trust the are fanatic and loyal
One of the biggest mistake of managers in Hololive/Cover is that they are don't allow to freely make collab streams between Holostars and Hololive. I'm sure that girls and boys have different audience, but giving them just some basic freedom (permission to Holostars play on one server in minecraft with Hololive members or made holograph with holostars, etc) and intersection of audiences will be even more.
I do not think the barrier comes from a management standpoint, or else Choco, Matsuri and Fubuki would have never been allowed to interact with Holostars either, and Cover abolished their "no male/female interaction" clause via Twitter a long time ago. It is a Japanese social stigma more than anything, one that is more about the idol girls than it is about male coworkers, which is why Oga says he thinks it is OK for the girls to not talk to them. He is more worried about the girls being harmed than about the guys getting ignored, which I kind of get. In all fairness, I do not think there is a single person in Holopro that actually enjoys that this is how things are, and I bet that the other girls look up at the likes of Choco, Matsuri and Fubuki on this regard, but they cannot actually say it in public out of fear of backlash, but I bet that they have told them privately more than once. It takes a *lot* of bravery and guts to be like them and defy both social standards and rabid fans the way they do and it is understandable why others are not doing it. Subaru to a good degree too - she may not talk to Holostars per se, but she does to Nijisanji guys, and what backlash she got for it did nothing to shatter her or even prevent her from doing it again, so props to her too. And then Coco of course for what was mentioned on the video. Indeed, we can safely assume that there are many JP Hololive girls who fully support the existence of Holostars and other male Vtubers, but simply do not have the courage to take the leap that is doing so on a public manner. Maybe one day, you know.
@@hirauren8160 They aren't aware of the rabbid nature of some "fans", not in it's totality of course, but imo just a few rotten apples can do an incredible amount of damage if they found the right opportunity since Japan doesn't have a stricter hand towards harassment and doxxing
Remember that some people ask astel about it. Even astel said there no rules that musn't collab with opposite gender. Even some ask noel about it. Well noel kinda shy so its better to avoid it unless she want to overcome it. For those extrovert people like marine, suisei, subaru should be able to collab with holostar. Though suisei got that radio show with winning son. Even towa got collab with boy other than holostar right on apex if i'm not mistaken? Same with i think roberu also have collab other girl other than fubuki matsuri. So its only up to them but if they make it hard and stay at it is, then its going to stay like this forever
@@duster4441001ehh.. knowing Noel’s fanbase and irl stuff.. it will do more harm than good to both party if she ever decide to go collab with the boys. From the avatar alone i can tell what her target audience and that audience produce the most insane type of person on internet
I hate the barrier between guys and girls in hololive, but I get it. Even in the more mature fans, it's going to rub against the core, animal jealousy that's connected to why they decide to like someone. They're also going to fall for each other, being charismatic folk. And the power games that come with that are exactly why you don't get with your coworkers if you're wise. That said, the barrier is totally unnatural to how real people actually coexist and feels lame.
Its because many fans don't want some kind of spark happen between Hololive and holostars especially those Crazy people on Internet, just few of Them can bring someone died with the THREAT 👀👀👀
![Pochi talks Coco's graduation and teared up while drawing her [Eng Sub]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/9QRGsST5B3k/mqdefault.jpg)
![Pochi talks Coco's graduation and teared up while drawing her [Eng Sub]](/img/tr.png)
![Suisei Gives Roberu A "Scare" (Hoshimachi Suisei / Hololive & Yukoku Roberu / Holostars) [En Subs]](/img/n.gif)
While I understand the reason behind the split, it kinda breaks my heart to see Oga speaks like they accept that Holostars will always play second fiddle to Hololive. People like Rikka had proven time and time that his talents are worth millions of views, which he does get when he collabbed with Matsuri and Calliope, but when he sang solo or with a fellow Holostar suddenly his views hardly break 200K. It's like they know the market is unfair but they have no choice but to deal with it.
Of course it's not limited to Holostars, even fellow Hololive members like Akirose suffered the same issue. They're no less talented than their peers, they just drew the short end of the marketing stick.
Its sad but also thats what happens when you have a kkgjjgilllion VTubers streaming many times a day. Its pretty hard to always be on for one, let alone many of the hologirls, and or Holostars. Luna has 3-4k on her streams. Aki got 2k.
I wish Cover would stop with the auditions. I think its too much and I don't like the answer we got from Yagoo in the Coco interview.
@@ero-senninsama1734 which one you dont like bro?
@@ero-senninsama1734 personally I won't mind if there were to be auditions for ID Gen 3 (EN Gen 2 is still ongoing) since they're more carefree, but yea maybe auditions for the main JP branch (and for EN after Gen 2 debuts) should stop for a while as we should support the current existing talents, especially talents like Mel, AkiRose, and AZKi who still has less subs than Gen 2-5 members
@@megurian4611 he basically answered that he is worried by the amount of VTubers, but there is no cap yet. I mean, it was just a messy cop out answer and Coco really pointed it out with "im sure our fans will be satisfied with that answer" which was really cool. It was a mostly wholesome interview but Coco threw 2 or 3 jabs at Yagoo and Cover Corp
@@xxx_lolidestroyer69_xxxuwu58 yeah. Right now is just impossible with the JP branch. Overlapping times and stuff. I get it that they are supposed to be many options for different tastes. But its impossible to keep up.
And sure, for the people that prefer more hologirls speaking on their language, let's keep up hololive ID and EN. Havent seen much of ID but the en branch is a really solid unit. Like a wide variety of personalities, very different but that compliment each other so well. But sure Gen 2 would still be sustainable and give the En branch a bit more mass.
I respect and love Holostars a lot. These guy have adapted pretty well despite being hated from the beginning. They have been on the slow grind, so when I see them reaching new stages I feel just so proud of them. I don't see them as hololive, each one of them has their own identity and I hope someday they understand that for many fans, holostars is not in anyone's shadow.
Kaoru moment
but damn Kira was months of exploding in views
Kira had everything to attract global audiences if he lasted just after every holostars reached 100k he would probably be the top one
Alas, he retired due to his health
Still would be cool to see if he returns one day
Hearing that Kaoru was incredibly happy when Coco interacted with him is somewhat bittersweet
Man I missed his streams
One important fact to remember is that the hololive girls and holostars boys also need an actual incentive to do a collab.
The reason why Coco reached out to Kaoru (and no one else) is because Kaoru and Coco had mutual interest in beauty products(?) and such and could work something out with that.
I believe it was because Kaoru was performing hair removal live, something coco had done sometime before, so she maybe found it funny and decided to comment
Thank you for translating the whole conversation it's really important. And also the nuance and his choice of words got across well.
Wonder what Kaoru is up to these days. It would be great if what Coco did with her graduation would make it ok for members to talk about other graduates without having to talk like they are a memory that are to be forgotten, not even allowed to say their name, even if everyone knows who they are talking about. I feel like it should be ok to say the name, because they were part of all of this and the work they did shouldnt be treated like some kind of taboo. Of course its sad to talk about something like this so its not a good idea to bring it up a lot, but it feels more like they are forbidden to talk about it normally, which makes it even more sad.
But I dont have insider information, so it might just be my naivety speaking.
There was an Aruran minecraft stream where he openly talked about graduated members, I don't think is Taboo but maybe it's just sad to do it and they try to avoid it.
@@javierpantoja8978 It's also probably a bit of Japanese culture at play there in terms of how one talks about things. The Japanese way of conversation is less direct than English, or at least, from what I've read from Japanese history I believe that to be the case.
Aloe has also been referred to by other Holomems, and the rest of gen 5 has said "we will always be five members." It sounds like they're only flat-out not allowed to bring someone up if they got fired, but it's fine if they quit.
@@SecretIdentityStudio Granted, Aloe's reasons for leaveing were understanding since we must remember she ended up being an unfortunate victim of doxxing and cyberbullying. The most likely reason why Clover chose not to archive Aloe's channel and vidos along with removeing her profile from the website, was most likely something requested by Aloe herself personally. Which considering the kind of harassment she was receiving from the antis, her decision to have Clover do so is understandable from her standpoint.
@@PeiceofNick I thought there was also the factor that Cover gives the option to keep archives up if the talent has streamed for a year. Kira brought up something similar at his graduation as to why he held on as long as he did.
Thanks for translating the whole segment my guy. 🙏🙏
i know it's a serious moment, but i can't stop laughing at 4:47 when someone says "selamat malam pak Oga"
Wow, he found out about the graduation the same time as us
I don't think the people they interact with overlap the people hololive talents interact with. Since them mostly stream from home studios, that means they have virtually no contact.
Thank you for the clip! The past years into months, weeks and days have just been an emotional wheel of feels for them. It's clear that there's been a lot of things among the minds of Holostars and surprisingly, I wouldn't think that they'd even be able to talk about things like this but considering all the things that has already happened, it just feels like the boys are giving a heads up for the future with some of them having come forward about a lot of things.
He's got a pleasant easy-listening voice.
The Idol chains is why I believe Hololive's Vtuber reign will eventually be surpassed by some other
This comment is perhaps more relevant than ever wtf
Awww I can kinda imagine that Oga is too sad to stream that day :(
Oga is so nice awww. But I think personally they should have treated each other like a family. They're from same company afterall
. It's just a shame some fans are treating them like idols, they don't want them to have that kind of interactions.
Holostars are bunch of good boys afterall, they need more recognitions!
Coco commented on Kaoru's stream? Wow I didn't know she did that, awww Coco.
Yeah, sometimes you can see hololive popping up the chat, especially when holostar are doing questionable things on stream lol
Actually Coco followed Kaoru too, but not other Holostar member included
thanks for all clip :_)
Dude you are a machine
I wish Hololive was something more like Nijisanji on the aspect of having the opportunity to collab Male-Female, and not make this barrier between them.
I hope to see Oga and the rest of the Holostars doing more collabs and getting the attention they really deserve!
They can't or rather they aren't catering to that audience.
They are selling their Vtubers as Idols, and have to keep males and females separate to preserve the illusion of attachment to their fans, because Idols are forever in a relationship with their supporters.
But I do think there are collabs occasionally.
@@YasaiTsume Cover might eventually shoot themselves in the foot if they keep up the whole idol culture mentality, to be honest. It was fine when they were a smaller company that focused mainly on a Japanese audience, but as the company grows and gains more international fans they'll eventually run into a wall where the vast majority of people think that the whole "boys and girls can't interact" thing is kinda retarded.
Can't say I disagree with you, but the Fubuki collabs with HoloStars get an insane amount of dislikes compared to the normal Hololive collabs so I understand the decision behind that.
I wish idol culture wasn't so harsh man, while famous people getting married is considered normal.
@@JakeTran141 i think you're exaggerating about the dislike ratio lol
@@frobsonsdesenhos before I fell into the hole, there was some discussion about the boys getting dislike ratio’d. Their homebase market is what’s volatile about the gender barrier and while I agree that idol culture plays into that, its much more complex if you take into account that these are people that decided to be vtubers i.e., some are introverts and some cater to specific audiences. Overseas viewers would not mind them collaborating but even then there are overseas fans that are highly possessive stans.
Thanks you
Kinda underlated, but honestly, hearing Oga mention how Holostars are basically forbidden from interacting with the girls, it wouldn't surprise me if that would affect any future Holostars auditions.
It may affect JP Hololstars but if/when Holostars EN occurs I doubt it will matter much. The EN branch is very similar to the ID branch in that they don't really care who they collab with. Hell I probably wouldn't be too far off by saying the primary reason not so many collabs have even happened is because of the existing language barrier.
Calli's collabed with Rikka and Roberu has commented in a stream of hers, Astel has sent Ame a super chat and Kiara has considered getting Roberu on Holotalk. It may not happen with Japan but as ID and EN grow I don't think it's going to matter in the long run.We just have to get there first.
@@PurpsJL_HAQ I get your point with Mori but other EN members really don't seem to have any interest to collab with Stars and all those things you mentioned happened months ago. And even if EN branch is not considered idols you still gonna have those kinda fans. Only reason deadbeats hardly have those kinda fans is because Mori has been open about it since her debut.
@@PurpsJL_HAQ Ya, maybe I'm talking out of my a$$, but we don't actually see these people as 'idols' right? I mean, we understand the concept and all, but at the end of the day for us they're just streamers that sometimes do side projects like singing awesomely. As so, I think an Holostar EN would be popular. The same way our generic male streamers (even tho they're losing to the hot tub meta) are plenty successful.
Future debuts? Stars was always like this from the onset, the second they dropped they got flamed and YAGOO had to assure people they'd never cross over until FBK decided to extend an olive branch to them and things tempered. So anyone auditioning already knew. Most of the girls don't consider interacting with them even if they really want to because of their insane idolbuta viewers, unless its someone like FBK or Matsuri.
@@Jepze158 if I remember correctly ame is a fan of Shien and I dont think she gives a fuck with who she's collabing with whether it's a girl or a boy
Always good to see some holostar clips.
The more I look into it, the sadder I get.
The feeling of inferiority is a terrible thing, and yet, it seems like the HoloStars have to just learn to deal with it. And yet, I'm almost positive that one of the biggest reasons HoloStars have such smaller audiences is simply because Cover Corp lets it happen.
Just because they're guys, and don't sexually appeal to the wide audience isn't really a good reason for why they don't get much attention. Think about it. Nijisanji has it's male talents on level with its female ones. Furthermore, some of the biggest personalities on TH-cam (not just VTubers) are males who attract a wide audience because of their entertaining personality.
No. HoloStars are left in the dust because Cover Corp doesn't do much more than the bare minimum to support them. They get basically no advertising whatsoever, whereas the girls appear on public windows and boards over in Japan. The girls of the JP branch have the HoloLive Graffiti shorts, whereas HoloStars has nothing even remotely similar.
I know it wouldn't fix everything, but if Cover Corp could just stop playing favorites, I'm sure it'd be a step in the right direction.
you can't really get mad at a company playing business they are looking to make money/return on investment but I also agree you shouldn't just let a side of the company just sit cause its not making money. as a Male I watched holostars because of Kaoru he was perfect yaoi bait for me thats how I found that holostars was a just a great time in general. the only thing I can say as advice is all the hololive girls play into their fans fetishes their lewd for a reason I feel they should honestly play into the Fujoshi market get yaoi bait as hell because the Fujoshi market may not be huge but trust the are fanatic and loyal
Said this in another channel translating this clip, will say it here. Idol culture is weird AF, and low-key pisses me off.
:)
One of the biggest mistake of managers in Hololive/Cover is that they are don't allow to freely make collab streams between Holostars and Hololive. I'm sure that girls and boys have different audience, but giving them just some basic freedom (permission to Holostars play on one server in minecraft with Hololive members or made holograph with holostars, etc) and intersection of audiences will be even more.
I do not think the barrier comes from a management standpoint, or else Choco, Matsuri and Fubuki would have never been allowed to interact with Holostars either, and Cover abolished their "no male/female interaction" clause via Twitter a long time ago. It is a Japanese social stigma more than anything, one that is more about the idol girls than it is about male coworkers, which is why Oga says he thinks it is OK for the girls to not talk to them. He is more worried about the girls being harmed than about the guys getting ignored, which I kind of get.
In all fairness, I do not think there is a single person in Holopro that actually enjoys that this is how things are, and I bet that the other girls look up at the likes of Choco, Matsuri and Fubuki on this regard, but they cannot actually say it in public out of fear of backlash, but I bet that they have told them privately more than once. It takes a *lot* of bravery and guts to be like them and defy both social standards and rabid fans the way they do and it is understandable why others are not doing it. Subaru to a good degree too - she may not talk to Holostars per se, but she does to Nijisanji guys, and what backlash she got for it did nothing to shatter her or even prevent her from doing it again, so props to her too. And then Coco of course for what was mentioned on the video.
Indeed, we can safely assume that there are many JP Hololive girls who fully support the existence of Holostars and other male Vtubers, but simply do not have the courage to take the leap that is doing so on a public manner. Maybe one day, you know.
@@GekTC yeah i don’t really think it’s the management too. Idk why many people assuming that.
@@hirauren8160 They aren't aware of the rabbid nature of some "fans", not in it's totality of course, but imo just a few rotten apples can do an incredible amount of damage if they found the right opportunity since Japan doesn't have a stricter hand towards harassment and doxxing
Remember that some people ask astel about it. Even astel said there no rules that musn't collab with opposite gender. Even some ask noel about it.
Well noel kinda shy so its better to avoid it unless she want to overcome it. For those extrovert people like marine, suisei, subaru should be able to collab with holostar. Though suisei got that radio show with winning son.
Even towa got collab with boy other than holostar right on apex if i'm not mistaken? Same with i think roberu also have collab other girl other than fubuki matsuri.
So its only up to them but if they make it hard and stay at it is, then its going to stay like this forever
@@duster4441001ehh.. knowing Noel’s fanbase and irl stuff.. it will do more harm than good to both party if she ever decide to go collab with the boys.
From the avatar alone i can tell what her target audience and that audience produce the most insane type of person on internet
I hate the barrier between guys and girls in hololive, but I get it. Even in the more mature fans, it's going to rub against the core, animal jealousy that's connected to why they decide to like someone.
They're also going to fall for each other, being charismatic folk. And the power games that come with that are exactly why you don't get with your coworkers if you're wise.
That said, the barrier is totally unnatural to how real people actually coexist and feels lame.
Its because many fans don't want some kind of spark happen between Hololive and holostars especially those Crazy people on Internet, just few of Them can bring someone died with the THREAT 👀👀👀