Ultimate "Amish" Ford (Stall, Low Power, Misfire...)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ส.ค. 2024
- This well-worn Ford F250 has been around the block at 220k miles.
After a recent engine swap, it never ran right since.
Main customer complaints are a very HARD COLD START, STALLING and LOW POWER.
Customer says that this truck is primarily used for Amish worker transportation, and it's on a really tight budget.
Let's diagnose the main drivability problems, and see if we can get creative to get the old Ford RELIABLE again while not splurging on NEW PARTS...
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Ivan
That zip tie repair is a perfect Red Green repair. Temporary, unless it works
It never ceases to amaze me that people will allow a vehicle to deteriorate so much with lack of maintenance, quibble over the cost of doing so, yet happily buy a new vehicle when it dies prematurely.
And that is why you're poor Tony that's why
@@yzrippin Good logic. People that don't piss money away buying new stuff but instead look after the stuff they already have, are poor because of that. I guess the rich must just take to new stuff they buy with an axe to, you know, make themselves richer.
@@TonyRule 220 K premature for a gasser camphase plagued 5.4 worktruck I want to live in your life Tony
@@yzrippin Yeah, you're right. He should have had it crushed before the first service was due and bought a new truck. Then he'd be richer.
@@TonyRule Don't be such a cuntrarian that's why your poor Tony
I always love the, “ I don’t want to spend a lot of money, I just want it to run right”
yep, the truck brings them to and fro, makes them lots of dough, but spend much money on it is a heck NO.. If people in this era had to use horses to do thier work, horses would be dead all over the road.
Horses are pretty much sustainable from the products of agriculture, so they don't require a cash outlay and if this is a Amish- Mennonite truck they likely still use horses for plowing; sometimes it's not I don't want to spend a lot of money, it's I can't spend money I don't have. The owner was simply saying if you can find a way to make it run better, even if it's not perfect, it will be acceptable. Not irresponsible if you are a struggling Pennsylvanian farmer, that probably treats their horses better than their family members.
During the Whiskey Rebellion, moonshiners lived on a barter system so they literally had no money to pay taxes; they offered to pay their taxes in whiskey but that was refused so Washington sent troops creating an armed confrontation finally resulting in the destruction of thousands of stills and the beginning of bootlegging that continues to this day.
Bahhahahha such a contradiction
I want to make a lot of money, but I'm super lazy and too honest for politics. Any suggestions?
At least they dropped it off with a nearly empty fuel tank. Always helpful when troubleshooting.
Right, and if it came in for a fuel pump the tank would be full.
That was cool.
Manifolds and studs, and spark plugs should have been done on that while the engine was out. Maybe the used engine was sold as "can hear running". Yeah, from 300 yards away.
The owner probably bought and installed the motor motor himself. It sounds like he’s strapped for cash as the whole world is!😫😫
It may very well be that the manifolds on it were used without consideration, and once installed, they turn out to have leaks and whatever. For an older engine, manifold bolts can be horrible to get off and the chance of problems is fairly high. Send it to a muffler repair shop and let them sweat it.
@@johnlarkin549 That could be. Cost of living is just insane.
@@OldManBadly Most muffler shops don't want to deal with these Fords. These manifolds are an expensive job at just about any shop. That's why so many of them are on the road sounding like this one.
@@johnz8210 Oh yeah, I know. But I also know that you wouldn't want to pay mechanic prices to get them done. Nobody wants to deal with snapped off manifold bolts!
That was a masterpiece of NPR repair using nothing but data and what a pocket of change would buy. Ivan you are a Russian magical mechanical wizard. No other explanation.
I always enjoy watching Ivan's videos because he puts so much effort into fixing these vehicles. I am learning from his techniques as an Auto Mechanic and every video of his gives me greater knowledge of vehicle repair and procedures. . Thank you Ivan.
Thank you for the kind words Richard. Always enjoy your comments 👍
I've attempted to share these and other videos with shop owners in the small town I live in. None of them are interested.
@@dans_Learning_Curve they don’t know what they’re missing!
@@jeremyah78 I know, right! I definitely tried!
It is not the amount effort he puts into the REPAIR, it is the amount of effort he puts into the DISGNOSTIC !!
Sunday morning coffee and a new PHAD video pops up, sweet
saturday here in the usa.
Australia mate! We're way ahead of the U.S 🤣
Those plugs are a nightmare!!!! Ive broken many of those 5.4 plugs always got them out but can be tuff
Well done Ivan. I bet the customer won't bother to change the plugs nor will he repair the exhaust manifold leak.
I doubt they went like that overnight. Kind of ironic, since that's usually the first salvo fired from the parts cannon.
Wow. This is one of your best videos!
Hope you don't get asked to change those sparkplugs. I dare say that most of them would break on the way out.
Those plugs were frightening 😮
Hi Ivan 'THE MAN'. Mnay thanks for ALL your uploads. From Nr Liverpool UK.
That truck was in really bad shape! Great diagnostic and impressive NPR repair :-)
PS: That exhaust was driving me crazy :-)
I know right? Why not fix the studs while the engine was out.
@@jeffreygoss8109 Yep 🙂
I know it’s on a budget but a new oil filter won’t break the bank!
Next oil change might happen in 20k miles? 🤣
After watching all of your informative videos, it makes me more and more appreciative I own to 50 year old Chevrolet pick up ☺️
Ivan-Diagnose correctly the first time and uses a 25 cent zip tie to fix the problem.
Dealer - Replaces the wrong sensor and charges you an arm and a leg.
Plus, the dealer sells you a new harness.
Once the customer tries replacing the spark plugs, you'll get the job to replace the plugs he broke off in the head. Lol
That is one job that I turn away... 5.4 spark plugs lol
It's the number I reason I'll never own another Ford. An hour a plug my first attempt and got it down to 30 minutes with experience. My new cars that aren't Ford's, 2 minutes each.
@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics My brother has that engine in his Expedition. He had a plug blow out of the head, I did repair it with a heli coil, but what a major pain in the butt that was. Took abour 2 hours for 1 plug. I told him never again and have told friends no too. Plug swap in my 91 c1500 takes about 20 minutes.
@T.J. Kong isn't the three valve the engine known for taking the threads out with the plugs?
@@sumduma55 The 2 valve does that. The 3 valve the plugs break off and removal can be difficult. Hot engine is supposed to help with plug removal on the 3 valve.
Enjoyed the video. All that engine needs is a rod knock and a belt squeak to sound like a real Ford
Don't forget the power steering whine.
Hey! You're offending me!! I drive a ford
Wait, I still call out ford, 😆
I felt proud as a teen noticing that power steering whine from a block away... "Here comes a ford". Or the busted exhaust manifold studs...
@@johnz8210 my mistake
Ivan, that was really good! You are a pro! That engine/Truck said "AAAAaaahhhh, Fresh Oil. Thank you!" 🙂
Everything you need to know about the owner is shown on the spare wheel in the back. No tread at all.
I always enjoy watching videos because he puts so much effort into fixing these vehicles. I am learning from his techniques. . Thank you brother.
Never stop learning!
It is always a treat to see someone diagnose rather than load the parts cannon. Keep up the great service that you provide.
Good job. I hope that many of finnish car mechanics looks these as well. You are good teacher and your brains are same quality as Einstein.
I was expecting Bonus Footage that included walking with a gas can! Another NPR special. Well done troubleshooting...
The zip tie trick is hilarious. lol
Can't believe that it worked 🤣
Ivan, You are a better man than I. Operating from a budget is one thing but from duct tape is another!
Well done ... Again !! Some people should not be allowed to own any type of vehicle !! Greetings from Down Under ( AU )
Very good diag and repairs. Bet the ATF was low also.
"I want it fixed right, but I don't want to spend any money!" Words my Dad heard lots of times when he had his business.
Reminds me of that 80s show "McGyver " fixing stuff with his swiss army knife.
Enjoy ur vid's, retiring after 47yrs. In a flat rate shop truely saw the bad an ugly that customers don't see except at invoice time. Wished I could have been by a tech of it caliber back in my day. Ur truly exceptional.
Thanks for the comment Frank. I couldn't last one day in a flat rate shop haha
zip ties, WD-40, solder, heat shrink, fancy scanner and (the big one...) 30+ years of knowledge, skill and experience!
The low fuel light was on the whole time. Couldn’t believe the thing didn’t run out of gas especially during the test drive.
Most of those have fuel sending units that don't work. With the condition of the rest of the truck I'd say this one is no different.
@@johnaclark1 P0461 on the first scan at 1min
@@philc70 bingo
"...the customer's gonna be like wow!" That's right Ivan. Thanks!
😁
I've been fooled in the past by reading sensor values in the manufacturer specific section of the scan tool. If they see a problem with a sensor they will substitute a value, like your coolant sensor. The problem is, that substituted value will be displayed in the data stream. It can be deceptive if you're not careful. If you go to the Global OBD2 function, by EPA mandate they will always display the actual values. There aren't as many pids to choose from, but they are all what the pcm is actually seeing. Good to see your scanner displays the actual voltage readings next to the pid display . ( Still waiting for my new Verus, then I can buy your pressure sensor kit.) Always look forward to your new videos. (Diagnose Dan also.)
Good job! You diag’d the customer’s expectations as well as the vehicles and that is the best way to get paid. 😁
Enjoy watching you do great diagnostics. Lost a few big jobs from simple diagnostics over the years. I still never had enough time to catch up with all the work. Those customers always came back.
The old, "I need my truck fixed and running good, but I ain't got no money." I wonder if my dentist will work with that. Hmmm.
This one is impressive. I'm sure the owner is very happy.
I've changed or rebuilt a few engines, and when it's out is the time to replace all the 'wearable parts' like hoses, thermostats, plugs, water pump and the oil pump if it's external. (and hidden sensors) I can't imagine that giving it back to the owner will result in proper repairs, either. I'd bet it's left that way until it stops.
Great job Ivan. Thanks
The intake manifold on those engines are easier to take off than you think. Especially if you use air or electric ratchets.
Luckily didn't need to open up that can of worms lol
Nice work Ivan
The master of no parts required
Nice diag on this one. As a flare rate tech at a dealership kinda jealous on your ability to charge for multiple diags I get multiple complaints and get expected to diag them all for a hour of diag time kinda sucks to be honest. We do have the ability to ask for additional time but unless it’s a really intermittent issue or a wiring issue it typically is frowned upon asking for more time. Always learn ways to improve my diag ability watching these videos keep up the good and most of all honest work Ivan.
The last time I went to the dealership mechanic for a diagnosis they charged me for an hour to run a static DPF regen, claimed it was all in my head, and sent it home. The problem still exists. A year later the DPF outlet pipe broke and was replaced under extended warranty. The original problem still exists. Engine light is off so I just drive it.
get your experience in a the stealership, save up to buy all the tools u need, the go out on your own,, its the only way to get ahead nowdays. u will never retire from a stealership, u will leave with the same thing u came with, nothing..
also be disciplined with your money, dont buy things that make u a slave to your job.
Yeah, I worked at dealerships too. When I started years ago you were expected to fix it right the first time and would take care of you and pay you for your time . Now just hammer out the job. If it comes back who cares.
Great vid/diagnosis/fix, Ivan. That's why I still drive a 2003 Ford Crown Vic LX......😀
Ivan is the man! 👍👍👍
A coworker once taught me about the theory of "appropriate technology". "Appropriate technology" says if the truck was a couple years old you definitely replace that fuel sensor. But "appropriate technology" also says for that truck the zip tie is just fine. 😀
Changing the oil, or at least topping it off, is always "appropriate technology."
Awesome series of diags there, Ivan! Making it look easy as usual🙂 Just a heads up though, brother… protect that scope with an attenuator when your hooked to ignition primarys. I know the 4425 can handle 200v inputs, but that is likely to be well exceeded doing what you were doing there. Hate to see you damage that beauty!✌️
Another great diag and repair Ivan! The customer should be thrilled! It could have been must worst!
Ivan, you are so good to your customers 😀
I wish that there were more decent and fair repairers/diag-tech like you.
There is no excuse for customers to ignore basic vehicle maintainance.
I was shocked by the state of the plugs.
Beater or not, it stil needs parts replacing (Oem only, New).
No crappy junk.
Ivan's the man, love watching his videos, saving people from the parts cannon. Way to go Ivan.
Your amazing on how you help ppl on a budget and the work you do
Ford for the man who likes to walk lol
I'm shocked they didn't take a bunch of old horse shoes and forge a new exhaust manifold
Nice and well done Ivan
We had crushed wires on the CHT on our 5.4 expedition (someone smashed them fixing the intake runner actuator). However, it would give up reading and the temp gauge would indicate zero. A very annoying side effect of this was the PCM would totally disable the air conditioner and would randomly put the engine in failsafe mode. Until we got around to fixing it, we tried different value resistors until we got the scan tool to read around 160-180 degrees and just jammed them in the pcm connector pins for the CHT so we had AC. It would have a hard time starting in the cooler mornings but a little throttle would keep it running.
Can’t complain about that vehicle too much, it made it from Clearfield to Pittsburgh on little to no oil pressure, then it went another 10 miles with zero oil pressure. Didn’t blow up until the guy we gave it to did a few burn outs then it locked up lol.
Now that’s the good stuff! These repairs and this truck should be featured in a country music vid. 😅Well done Ivan!
Thank you for mentioning your billing logic as you diagnose and fix the truck. Very much appreciated
As the saying goes in the UK string and board fix my old Ford, you are right Ivan after working on BMW for over 30 years I have never fixed one yet with a spray of WD40 and a cable tie, it always costs hundreds and sometimes thousands. Your knowledge of electrics and reading occilloscope always amazes me👍
I totally agree with ur amazing ability to read those patterns an waveforms.
Geesus. Could you imagine buying a used ford? Or an new one for that matter. But don't worry..."yeah...those engines had problems those years but these new ones are awesome." Every ford fan boi ever.
Nice way of putting it. Couldn't agree more with you.
I salute you Mr Ivan!! You are truly a maestro in the world of auto diagnostics!! I am a car enthiast, and I am learning a lot from you !! Thank you sir!!
those zip ties will be there forever
And you look good in the F250, YOU SHOULD GET ONE!
Great vid Ivan. Zip ties and solder. Awesome
I'm not a mechanic but about ten minutes into this video I kept thinking about inspecting the spark plugs .... .... and 34:50 shows I had a good idea .... I mean second hand engine and all .... and an owner who has let these problems potentially ruin an engine .... why not check all the fluids and filters .... especially the fuel filter which is from the days of the first engine .... WOW ......................... and there comes bonus footage ..... guess what .... LOW OIL .....
A very satisfying diag and repair. Ivan, you never cease to amaze in your methodical approach!
The Amish Near Me Still Have Horse And Buggy 🤔 I Better Not Tell Them About Zipties 😄
Good To See The Steps In Diagnosing Each Issue And Not Letting It Become An Expensive Parts Cannon Testing Ground
Just Hope They Don`t Ask You To Do The Spark Plugs It Might Be A Future Repair Aptly Named "The Good ,The Bad And The Heli-coil "
Stay Cool Ivan , This Heatwave Will Soon Be Over
Excellent diag as always! You need to share short videos of work you were asked to perform, what you laughed at, and turned down.
in our day us old timers carried hay wire , new trend is tie wraps for electrical temp for ever fixes
I don`t blame the guy for his budget, high mileage ferd with an engine swap. Still cheaper than a new truck. I am always amazed at how you find broken wires Ivan. How did you learn all this? School? self taught? Amazing diag as usual Ivan. Me, I have always had to try to repair issues myself due to devotion to my autistic kids. We had 2 roadkill zip tie moments here today. Outstanding logic and repair yet again Ivan. Wish I had 1/10 of your knowledge, if I did my 20 yr old beater Neon would pass Pa inspection with no expensive parts cannon fired already on a P0172 code. Stay safe, God Bless.
If you had 1/10 of his knowledge, you could do 95% of the jobs.
You get to work on well maintained through to beaters. There is that balance between no parts required to have to replace parts, I personally would put up with the cable tie mod on the pressure sensor, till the sensor failed. Though those spark plugs look like they have been there since that particular engine was new and need replacing! Thee is acceptable and thee is cheapscate. Ultimately it is the owners choice, and none of the items you diagnosed were an item that could be considered a safety item, just an annoyance. Good diagnosis Ivan.
its rusty in the plug holes because the engine came from the junkyard and sat on a pallet in the rain for years. or in a truck with no hood on it.
Been calling things Amish for a long time. In fact, one of my teachers in high school bought be this knick knack that had the word "Amish" written on it in some fancy decorative ink because she said I used the word all the time. That's Amish lol
There is a big Amish community in PA. Very resourceful people!
Undoubtedly they will do none of the recommended fixes.
Change the tie-wraps every 2000 miles is about all you can expect.
Every 2000 miles?? More like when the truck runs like shit again they will search for the broken tie and then replace
It always amazes me the lengths people will go to repair vehicles but yet take so many shortcuts. I gurantee they never did the spark plugs or the manifolds. Temporary repairs are only temporary if they don't work.
Great job Ivan. Thx for lesson. Customer being penny wise and pound foolish 🤷♂
I always look forward to your videos especially the NPR outcomes. I hate working on beat up unloved equipment especially when you see evidence of bodgey work done previously. Quick to the point and no parts canon fired. The customer should be happy and except three diag charges instead of a parts canon full of cheap Chinese parts like he probably would have had elsewhere.
Most of the Amish use horses or walk. I reckon some situations they require a modern method.
I always wondered about engine swap methods from the professional garages and why they do not in the least replace some of the most difficult to get to sensors and other parts that might be impossible to get to once the engine is in place. Its truly amazing...they had entire unobstructed access to the engine when it was on an engine stand or blocks of 4x4's yet depended on the existing accessories to be all good. Even if it were to be a $400 cost to replace some items of choice, it would be worth it knowing no issues would come up with hard to get two's. The wires in the loom should have been noticed? Maybe I'm too critical but here we are with existing spark plugs and with any engine change, those should have been replaced by default. The fuel rail pressure sensor might have come with the used engine...who knows at this stage. The oil...was that how they bought the engine? Could be which is awful. Definitely not the best mechanics did this swap with proof in the exhaust leaks.
Another turd polished and shipped. Nice job.
Poor ford...abused..neglected..and it still wants to run.please reward this thing with some real maintenance.a new ones gonna cost 60k.....
Watch out! Every beater in the country is headed for PA.
Pine Hollow Diagnostic Centers. Over 2,500 coast to coast
Pine Hollow, the midas muffler of electronics
Bad bad motors..
Good job👍
Great video as usual Ivan. BTW the drivers seat looks like a bloody animal was driving.
I can't wait for you to diagnose electric vehicles. They "could" be a lot easier to diagnose if people like Musk don't require internet connection.
BTW what is the yellow light on the dash?
Here to pump the stat's.
Love your work Ivan
About the exhaust manifold comments, I was a warranty installer and quite familiar. Imagine you do a cheap used motor install (here would be $2500) and the customer wants it on a budget. If the customer does not want to pay $100 for a rail sensor then how are you going to get paid for a tune up, manifolds and while you are at it timing chain and oil pump? WE ALL KNOW THAT MOTOR NEEDS A CHAIN! Perhaps the customer said just make it drive. Now, that being said.....I HAVE NOT ONCE EVER had a direct install where I was sent the right motor. Yes. The oil pans, timing covers, motor mounts, oil filter housing, exhaust manifolds and intakes are different from a 250,to 150 and 2wd to 4wd so if it came in for a motor and the old manifold was cracked I am sure the customer was out of money. For the insurance company I was not paid to transfer parts but book time for the install of about 7 hours and we disagreed over who paid for new antifreeze. After that I finished my career in a body shop where customer rear ended somebody and said his cracked manifold never leaked before that. Also had a new Dodge where they said there was motor oil all over the road and the engine was knocking after collision cause they didn't want it fixed. I can spend 7 hours or 7 days on those engines. I get paid for what I do and not what someone wants for free.
_"Perhaps the customer said just make it drive."_
And you just know that customer will lose all memory of his/her cheapness when something fails a few hundred miles later.
I hope the owner treats his dog better than he treats his truck. Ivan, your the best. Question, is zip ties the modern day equivalent of bailing wire? Thanks for Sharing!
Mostly yes. Zip ties are the modern-day equivalent of bailing wire. Except bailing wire csn handle heat a bit better but you have to also worry about it being conductive.
Ivan to the "no parts required" rescue!
That was 3 NPR repairs on one vehicle... Personal record lol!
Love. Watching you. Figure things. Out. When. You do. You explain. Results. Thanks
Thanks Ivan another great video
Love the comment sections. Brand loyalty usually rears its head…..”what do you expect? It’s a Ford….RAM….Chevy..Euro…Chrysler….Skoda…..”
People complain about how crappy the 5.4L 3V is. Running 2 quarts low ! The phasers and roller rocker need a good supply of quality oil !!
Good oil and proper amount only gets you 186k miles. If you're lucky.
Love it ! especially the zip tie :)
Love the deoxit. Keeps my Taurus running
Well done Ivan 👍
As always just brilliant!
Excellent Diag, thanks for the content.
I thought there was something like noise on the #5 waveform during mid coil cycle. Was expecting you to zoom on it. 30:20. You are the best! My Prizm tells me so.
Wow! Thank you. I watced this video because i have the same problems on my F250 and I have a OBD2 so i got the parts and fixed it myself.its running like a champ!
Ivan I do find it amazing I watch yourself, Ivan, and rainman plus a few others and I’m amazed at how often you guys drive without a seatbelt, It’s law in Australia and I’m sure it’s law in America and I’m not trying to preach but they do save lives please take care. 👍
It’s also law in Australia to put people with covid into concentration camps lmao
@@gtemnykh good point 😅
Yes the treatment of covid seemed a little over the top but ultimately it saved many lives.
@@johnlarkin549 that's what they want you to think 🤣...but I agree: seat belts do make more sense than Covid concentration camps 😄👍
@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics Good point🧐
putting in a junk yard engine without checking the spark plugs? sounds like something my dad would do
I loved the tape on the coil 😭