One of the truly great films, extraordinary performances. It’s still being debated 40 years later. Mary herself said that she saw Beth as a victim of her own upbringing, and the fact that she had already suffered too much, and couldn’t take anymore negativity. That was Beth’s downfall. She undoubtedly favored her older dead son, but she didn’t hate Conrad. She was utterly unprepared to deal with anything that would upset her cart even more.
Yes, it was. At least MTM received an Oscar nomination, which is more than can be said for the late, great Donald Sutherland. He did not receive one single Oscar nomination for his decades of stellar work, bringing Calvin Jarrett and other characters to life. He did receive an honorary Oscar in 2017 for his lifetime achievement, which he greatly appreciated, so I guess that is something.
Yeah, she was a real bitch! My birth father told my Mom he did not want kids after he said otherwise because they (kids) would get cancer like her brother and die. That broke her heart. Well, he has pancreatic cancer and I am cancer free. My great aunt told me this and I just CACKLED!!!!! I explained what happened and she agreed with me 100%. She then told his father and the father was stunned by what the person he raised said this. Thank God I am not part of that fucked up clan!!!! Thank God for adoptions!!!!!
Not to mention the fact that Conrad’s motive for pointing out the (hypothetical) thought of Buck in the hospital went completely over her head. Conrad wanted to make a point when he said that: the bare fact that Beth truly acts like she really doesn’t give a damn about him. And THAT was why he did not consider it important to tell her (and Calvin) about having quit the swim team, the way his own mother truly does treat him like the “invisible son,” compared to how she was about pride and joy Buck.
conrad is a reminder that things aren't perfect. She surpressed her older son's death, she resents conrad. Loved Sutherland's character - understanding,
Wow what a film. When she says " buck never would have been in the hospital " was so viscious. Calvin knew it too that's why he screamed at her " that's enough! She really Hates that if one sob had to go that night it was Conrad not her golden boy. It's like he's a permanent reminder of the son who survived & the one she lost. Calvin is such an amazing father. When he finally realized his wife was incapable of loving or forgiving Conrad & was impeding the progress he made & how he kept trying w/ his mother he had to make a choice & he chose his son.
The movie is truly amazing, the plot and acting are excellent! Beth represses problems, suppresses her emotions, presenting herself as a happy and contented person to society because her personal image and reputation in the public, as well as the reputation of her family, are too important to her. She doesn't know how to maturely handle the problems and work on their solution. That's why in the end, she breaks down and leaves the family.
Beth wasn't a bitch she just didn't know how to handle grief. Her way of dealing was making it appear as if nothing happened. This catches up with her. I would have loved to see the family counseling session that she refused to be a part of. Of course she would have got up and walked out. This was such a great movie about life and death and the family dynamics of it all.
An excellent characterization of when a mother has favorites. They justify it, deny it, but even in tragedy, they push away the child they didn't favor. Even 40 years later, it epitomizes the finest acting and directing.
Bucky was the one with all the friends as calvin mentions " I miss seeing all the guys around here " in bucks room were all the trophy's so she got a lot of pride out of being bucks mom . I'm sure all conrad 's freinds were bucks freinds as they are close in age. Conrad is more introverted & buck the extrovert & calvin mentions conrad & his mom really are so alike. She probably loved how buck just easily made freinds wasnt too serious & was the life of the party. Look how she is almost flirty with him & adoringly fawns over him as he tells a story. Beth admired the way buck was while she saw conrad as a social nothing. Some moms really love the child who is everything they wanted to be in hs. I'm sure anytime she spent with conrad was with bucky as the buffer.
I noticed when Beth became very uncomfortable when Calvin wanted to take a photo of Conrad & his mum in which she did not want to and she changes the subject and she didn't want to have a photo taken with Conrad. Then she tells Calvin to give her the camera. Then Conrad yells by saying GIVE HER THE GODDAM CAMERA. She is one true very cold and a narcissistic person.
Why DID she like Bucky more than Conrad? It is a mystery when adults favor one over the other. Sometimes they go to the needy one sometimes they go to the one who needs little because that feels comfortable. I mean she cannot even pose in a picture with her son! Still cannot figure her and that out. Mary Tyler Moore was THE ONE to play Beth. Movie ahead of its time.
Look at the scene when she's in Buck's bedroom. He was a winner, probably a bit egotistical. You see all of his awards and she probably liked being identified as his mother.
Beth wasn't capable of loving again. Had another accident had occurred; she'd probably have a nervous breakdown or worse: suicidal. She loved both sons; but she felt Conrad should have saved her son but he wasn't physically able to during the boating accident. Beth doesn't need attention. She needed help but she was too proud to see the doctor when Conrad and her son went. You're a typical delusional liberal.
Actually, liberals don't have problems understanding complexity and nuance, the way so many cons do, which research shows, btw.Beth was an emotional cripple and a failure as mother; she was superficial and shallow, cared way too much what others thought...typical conservative in many ways.
My favorite scene is the golf course scene.. I know that MTM played this role the way she wanted she wanted ..But may have come off looking like a Villian.. I like the barking scene.. Thanks for the Upload 👍 !! XD
"Oh, if not French toast, what can I fix? Eggs?, Oatmeal? You do need to eat, sweetheart,." Instead she grabs the food and shoves it in the sink disposal. So dysfunctional. To resent your child for living a tragic accident when one child does.
not quite - it was because of his suicide attempt - it goes way deeper than just resenting him for living. Note the way she gets upset when Calvin reveals to the friend about the son's doctor. She's very Type A - everything has to be perfectly ordered, and Buck's death disrupted that order - and the suicide attempt was seen as being manipulative. She's a very complex character.
I can't say it for everyone but I sure can say one thing - this happens in many Asian families. About two years ago, I had to quit my job to take care of my mom who is already in her 80s. It was really hellish for me and I felt exactly like Conrad. Sometimes I feel like bashing my head on the wall and just blowing up on everyone. This is not someone's imagination, it happens and the ones who are stuck in the situations could never get out of it. Sometimes parents are not the all powerful, all authoritative people we believe them to be. Whatever it is, just walk away and no need to argue. Parents only bring us into this world; they don't rule us.
yep. a lot of anglo "WASP" type families are still like this. no one listens to the reality deeper problems, consistently gaslighting and minimizing in lieue of "what will the neighbors think". It's also easy to say, from the outside, "white privilege" or "class privilege" etc, but really their dysfunction stems from their privilege, the exhausting, constant need to keep up appearances at the expense of their true emotional lives.
Andra Tan It seems to happen across the line, I come from a highly educated Jewish family (I broke the mold, im not full of diplomas on my wall) I am lost after 4 years of same thing. At the Expected at the cost of myself. You couldn’t written it “better” my father passed may 24th from COVID. I saw this movie when I was 10 along with The great Santini, Kramer vs Kramer. My father videotaped the court scene and we would have a discussion whether, well, exactly what the movie was asking, is a parent a better parent based on gender.. I was 12 then. I wasn’t ready for these movies yet, but they impacted me and still do throughout my life, from a divorce to exactly what you mentioned about; it’s the child’s duty to care for the parent at the dear cost of themselves.
I've seen this problem in a lot of Orthodox Jewish families in the USA. The parents live in terror that what their son says/does will tarnish the family's image. They're more concerned with keeping up appearances than whether their kids are happy in the home. MTM's character is obsessed with keeping the gilded image, and she thinks that her son's emotional problems are a deliberate effort to undermine her. The difference is that in the Jewish family (as opposed to this one) they go straight for the therapist rather than talk to their kid or try to work it out. Worse, they will ignore the therapist's advice. Sometimes they go looking from one therapist to another until they find one who will say that it's all their son's fault.
@@jovandavidovic1 the way she acted when Beth said something about Dr. Berger. The mother said, " Jewish doctor?" and that the doctor was giving advice on Conrad's mental health. It seemed she thought that the doctor was beneath them, very snobby and nasty. Beth seemed to pick up her mother's behavior and incorporated it into her personality.
Plus the way later on in the film, (when Conrad is staying with his grandparents over Xmas while Beth and Calvin are out in Houston) as he gets in and his grandmother merely peeks out her bedroom door, without any concern or care at all, not even greeting him(heck, we don’t even hear the grandfather ask “Is everything OK, Ellen?” Grandma Ellen: “Yes, Ray, it’s just Conrad.”) Yes, I agree, the grandmother seemed kind of standoffish herself, like mother, like daughter. And Beth breaking the plate(on purpose, no less!) would have been her (childish) way of discharging the negative emotion building up inside of her, over her and Calvin arguing over who to take a picture of whom until Conrad blew up with “Give her the goddamn camera!”
Beth reminds me of that famous, lovingly overacted scene of east of eden..the hysterical "you're tearing me apart!!" lol where the parents were so busy repeating their own dramas and concerns that they could never hear what their struggling child was telling them.
They're upper middle class--they have the money to buy more french toast. Also, sometimes emotion overpowers logic. I remember a time when I was a child that, in the heat of the moment when I was upset at something, I broke a gold-colored trophy that I won in a spelling bee contest at my elementary school. It was a beautiful trophy--a gold bee. I regretted doing it immediately afterward and have regretted it ever since. Sometimes emotion--or repressed emotion--gets the better of us. But not having any emotion is also not good. Living life in an emotionally healthy way is really about seeing the positive rather than the negative.
Oh I agree! It could have been saved for later. However, Beth was punishing Conrad for not being being hungry and considered his reluctance to eat it a deliberate slight against HER!
I've watched this movie so many times. Read the novel. MTM...she was SO against type. So against public perception. And there's our concept of "Mary". Conrad where are you?
The dad is trying so hard, TOOOO hard. And it's hard to watch! So many families are like this. So many resentments, misunderstandings, bitterness. Yet there are no monsters here, no really bad people. Just people with their own problems and limitations.
2:04 To me the most heart wrenching moment in the movie, Conrad barking as if pleading desperately for connection with his mom. He is trying so hard to communicate meaningfully with her and she's just unable to do it, as the next scene (and others) makes clear.
Polly Jones I'm sorry to hear that. My mother was just like Beth. But I loved her and she loved me. She left us 2 years ago and I would dearly love to have her back in my life. Remember what Dr. Berger counsels Conrad; he needs to forgive Beth not for not loving him, but for not loving him enough.
I saw this movie as a teenager. It was the first time I’d seen a mother besides my own treat her own child with cruelty and indifference. It took me a long time and therapy to realize she couldn’t give what she didn’t have
I tried to see her as a victim, but she really is borderline childish and so hard towards her son trying to compete for attention, even if his son was suicidal...she was so selfish, only thinking about her.
Mat C in the book it’s even worse. The thing that upset her the most about Conrad’s suicide attempt was how hard it was to clean all the blood up in the bathroom. Beth is clearly a waste of space and she is not fit to be a mother.
@@sarasmith9450 Conrad mentioned that to the doctor- and I can't help but wonder HOW he'd have heard about her reaction unless Beth mentioned it in his presence or hearing! Of course, the irony is that it's possible that his suicide attempt was to grant her wish of Conrad having been the one who died instead of her favorite as a desperate means to get her to FINALLY love him (as horrific and self-destructive the action was against himself).
The film script is extraordinary. But if you read Mary Tyler Moore's biography her handle on the character she plays is all wrong. What makes her portrayal fascinating is how much she has in common with the character. Read the book. You'll be amazed
Or perhaps trying to grant Beth the wish that it had been HIM who'd lost his life instead of her favored son since she all but spelled out that she was upset that Conrad had survived while Buck hadn't.
At this point of the movie (and story) yes. However [spoiler alert] he becomes SO desperate to try to save Conrad that he winds up having to face one of his worst fears- that Beth had never actually loved him [Calvin] instead of continuing to try to pin everything on how he WISHES Beth was.
Part of me believes MTM was acting but lots of her character was a rendition of her real self. Just came off as something of a witch during offscreen interviews
I think this movie is so great because everyone can relate to the tension in a family even if they are not dealing with the death of a son or a suicide attempt. It's just a wonderful film.
The four are extraordinary in their leading roles. This is one of the best films in history.
I love when Conrad yells and curses at her at the end here. And his father is so nice.
Me too.
This woman lives up to the word Byotch !! Xd
ME TOO!!!!!!
One of the truly great films, extraordinary performances. It’s still being debated 40 years later. Mary herself said that she saw Beth as a victim of her own upbringing, and the fact that she had already suffered too much, and couldn’t take anymore negativity. That was Beth’s downfall. She undoubtedly favored her older dead son, but she didn’t hate Conrad. She was utterly unprepared to deal with anything that would upset her cart even more.
This is so insightful, because my own mother is Beth.
It was quite uncomfortable when she didn't want her picture taken with Conrad. How awful it must have felt for him.
The finest performance on film by an actress that I have ever seen.
Yes, it was. At least MTM received an Oscar nomination, which is more than can be said for the late, great Donald Sutherland. He did not receive one single Oscar nomination for his decades of stellar work, bringing Calvin Jarrett and other characters to life. He did receive an honorary Oscar in 2017 for his lifetime achievement, which he greatly appreciated, so I guess that is something.
This film has so many layers of emotions.....it truly can relate to everyone
"Buck never would have been in the hospital." What a terrible thing to say.
Yea that was cut throat viscious.
Yeah, she was a real bitch! My birth father told my Mom he did not want kids after he said otherwise because they (kids) would get cancer like her brother and die. That broke her heart. Well, he has pancreatic cancer and I am cancer free. My great aunt told me this and I just CACKLED!!!!! I explained what happened and she agreed with me 100%. She then told his father and the father was stunned by what the person he raised said this. Thank God I am not part of that fucked up clan!!!! Thank God for adoptions!!!!!
Yeah that was a CUNT move 😥‼️
Very cold and vicious.
Not to mention the fact that Conrad’s motive for pointing out the (hypothetical) thought of Buck in the hospital went completely over her head. Conrad wanted to make a point when he said that: the bare fact that Beth truly acts like she really doesn’t give a damn about him. And THAT was why he did not consider it important to tell her (and Calvin) about having quit the swim team, the way his own mother truly does treat him like the “invisible son,” compared to how she was about pride and joy Buck.
conrad is a reminder that things aren't perfect. She surpressed her older son's death, she resents conrad. Loved Sutherland's character - understanding,
@@bostonf4867
RIP, dear one
Beth makes EVERYTHING about her
@@ttaylor758 narcissist
She was more concerned about what Carol Lazenby would think than the emotional damage she caused her own son.
Wow what a film. When she says " buck never would have been in the hospital " was so viscious. Calvin knew it too that's why he screamed at her " that's enough! She really Hates that if one sob had to go that night it was Conrad not her golden boy. It's like he's a permanent reminder of the son who survived & the one she lost. Calvin is such an amazing father. When he finally realized his wife was incapable of loving or forgiving Conrad & was impeding the progress he made & how he kept trying w/ his mother he had to make a choice & he chose his son.
_"You have to charm Mr. Herman. Did you charm him?"_
Very subtle clue about Beth's emotional state....
Omg! Mary is a great actress.
My all time favorite film.
This is one of the best movies I've seen and the most painful.
The movie is truly amazing, the plot and acting are excellent! Beth represses problems, suppresses her emotions, presenting herself as a happy and contented person to society because her personal image and reputation in the public, as well as the reputation of her family, are too important to her. She doesn't know how to maturely handle the problems and work on their solution. That's why in the end, she breaks down and leaves the family.
Beth wasn't a bitch she just didn't know how to handle grief. Her way of dealing was making it appear as if nothing happened. This catches up with her. I would have loved to see the family counseling session that she refused to be a part of. Of course she would have got up and walked out. This was such a great movie about life and death and the family dynamics of it all.
Such an iconic movie. Groundbreaking subject matter. So many families and people can relate to this.
Watch this movie for some of the best acting - ever. So very very real.
Beth--passive aggressive!!
@To the point. Not at all.
An excellent characterization of when a mother has favorites. They justify it, deny it, but even in tragedy, they push away the child they didn't favor. Even 40 years later, it epitomizes the finest acting and directing.
...the photo op was so intense.
I agree.
She is really a piece of work 😮
"Did you charm him?" Not bloody likely!
Bucky was the one with all the friends as calvin mentions " I miss seeing all the guys around here " in bucks room were all the trophy's so she got a lot of pride out of being bucks mom . I'm sure all conrad 's freinds were bucks freinds as they are close in age. Conrad is more introverted & buck the extrovert & calvin mentions conrad & his mom really are so alike. She probably loved how buck just easily made freinds wasnt too serious & was the life of the party. Look how she is almost flirty with him & adoringly fawns over him as he tells a story. Beth admired the way buck was while she saw conrad as a social nothing. Some moms really love the child who is everything they wanted to be in hs. I'm sure anytime she spent with conrad was with bucky as the buffer.
Good analysis.
@@bluecollarlit ty ! I'm your opinion do u think Beth is a narcissist?
Conrad was like Beth and Buck was like Calvin. Opposites attract.
Good analysis
"When Buck died it seemed as if you buried all your love with him." Conrad Jarrett
I think that was Calvin who said that.
It was Cal who said that, in fact.
Poor Conrad, his life is totaly broke.
I love so much this moovie.
MTM was an amazing actress.
I noticed when Beth became very uncomfortable when Calvin wanted to take a photo of Conrad & his mum in which she did not want to and she changes the subject and she didn't want to have a photo taken with Conrad. Then she tells Calvin to give her the camera. Then Conrad yells by saying GIVE HER THE GODDAM CAMERA. She is one true very cold and a narcissistic person.
I remember that scene and it made me extremely uncomfortable. She clearly didn't want to take a picture with him and it goes much deeper.
MTM character didnt like her son before & after Buck passed. Its sad but true.
She clearly Favored one son over the other..like alot of parents do.. XD
@@MrCraigblaze so true
Why DID she like Bucky more than Conrad? It is a mystery when adults favor one over the other. Sometimes they go to the needy one sometimes they go to the one who needs little because that feels comfortable. I mean she cannot even pose in a picture with her son! Still cannot figure her and that out. Mary Tyler Moore was THE ONE to play Beth. Movie ahead of its time.
Look at the scene when she's in Buck's bedroom. He was a winner, probably a bit egotistical. You see all of his awards and she probably liked being identified as his mother.
Beth wasn't capable of loving again. Had another accident had occurred; she'd probably have a nervous breakdown or worse: suicidal. She loved both sons; but she felt Conrad should have saved her son but he wasn't physically able to during the boating accident. Beth doesn't need attention. She needed help but she was too proud to see the doctor when Conrad and her son went. You're a typical delusional liberal.
Actually, liberals don't have problems understanding complexity and nuance, the way so many cons do, which research shows, btw.Beth was an emotional cripple and a failure as mother; she was superficial and shallow, cared way too much what others thought...typical conservative in many ways.
Every narcissist parent has the golden child and the problem child
@@JulianneHannes exactly she's a narcissist. She cares for no one.
My favorite scene is the golf course scene.. I know that MTM played this role the way she wanted she wanted ..But may have come off looking like a Villian.. I like the barking scene.. Thanks for the Upload 👍 !! XD
"Oh, if not French toast, what can I fix? Eggs?, Oatmeal? You do need to eat, sweetheart,."
Instead she grabs the food and shoves it in the sink disposal.
So dysfunctional. To resent your child for living a tragic accident when one child does.
not quite - it was because of his suicide attempt - it goes way deeper than just resenting him for living. Note the way she gets upset when Calvin reveals to the friend about the son's doctor. She's very Type A - everything has to be perfectly ordered, and Buck's death disrupted that order - and the suicide attempt was seen as being manipulative. She's a very complex character.
The sad thing is that I can picture myself pushing that unwanted food down the garbage disposal too.
@@msvalderrama1 a narcissist alert!
I can't say it for everyone but I sure can say one thing - this happens in many Asian families. About two years ago, I had to quit my job to take care of my mom who is already in her 80s. It was really hellish for me and I felt exactly like Conrad. Sometimes I feel like bashing my head on the wall and just blowing up on everyone. This is not someone's imagination, it happens and the ones who are stuck in the situations could never get out of it. Sometimes parents are not the all powerful, all authoritative people we believe them to be. Whatever it is, just walk away and no need to argue. Parents only bring us into this world; they don't rule us.
yep. a lot of anglo "WASP" type families are still like this. no one listens to the reality deeper problems, consistently gaslighting and minimizing in lieue of "what will the neighbors think". It's also easy to say, from the outside, "white privilege" or "class privilege" etc, but really their dysfunction stems from their privilege, the exhausting, constant need to keep up appearances at the expense of their true emotional lives.
good luck on your journey, Andra. Remember to reach out to "us" if you need help :D
Andra Tan It seems to happen across the line, I come from a highly educated Jewish family (I broke the mold, im not full of diplomas on my wall) I am lost after 4 years of same thing. At the Expected at the cost of myself. You couldn’t written it “better” my father passed may 24th from COVID. I saw this movie when I was 10 along with The great Santini, Kramer vs Kramer. My father videotaped the court scene and we would have a discussion whether, well, exactly what the movie was asking, is a parent a better parent based on gender.. I was 12 then. I wasn’t ready for these movies yet, but they impacted me and still do throughout my life, from a divorce to exactly what you mentioned about; it’s the child’s duty to care for the parent at the dear cost of themselves.
It can happen in any family, period.
I agree and you must watch "Guess who's coming to dinner?" with Sidney Poitier. Please do.
I've seen this problem in a lot of Orthodox Jewish families in the USA. The parents live in terror that what their son says/does will tarnish the family's image. They're more concerned with keeping up appearances than whether their kids are happy in the home. MTM's character is obsessed with keeping the gilded image, and she thinks that her son's emotional problems are a deliberate effort to undermine her. The difference is that in the Jewish family (as opposed to this one) they go straight for the therapist rather than talk to their kid or try to work it out. Worse, they will ignore the therapist's advice. Sometimes they go looking from one therapist to another until they find one who will say that it's all their son's fault.
It's not just the Jewish families
Well not even in the USA at least
she had to have the final word.
Mary tyler Moore so intense.
Neuclear yep the Academy screwed her on the Best Actress award.
Art shouldn't be competitive, period!
@@RONALDB62 One of the greatest Academy fumbles of all time.
It's probably because the Academy couldn't see past Mary Richards and Laura Petrie. They weren't used to seeing MTM as a bitch.
She was incredible in this movie. Could have done more dramatic roles in movies
This woman is a horror! What a horrible mother she portrayed.
God Moore is so good but so awful at the same time. I mean she is just seething with anger at her son, its almost painful to watch.
Beth needs attention and likes people to make a big deal out of her.
Not my kind of people.
Cold hearted to the core!
@@rosemaryspafalmouth2609 So much more to Beth than that.
Ice queen
I see Beth like her own mother, the grandmother seemed nasty as well.
why do you consider her mother ''nasty''?
@@jovandavidovic1 the way she acted when Beth said something about Dr. Berger. The mother said, " Jewish doctor?" and that the doctor was giving advice on Conrad's mental health. It seemed she thought that the doctor was beneath them, very snobby and nasty. Beth seemed to pick up her mother's behavior and incorporated it into her personality.
@@triciajohansen7124 Yes, you're right, I could agree.
The way she focused on saving the plate!
Plus the way later on in the film, (when Conrad is staying with his grandparents over Xmas while Beth and Calvin are out in Houston) as he gets in and his grandmother merely peeks out her bedroom door, without any concern or care at all, not even greeting him(heck, we don’t even hear the grandfather ask “Is everything OK, Ellen?” Grandma Ellen: “Yes, Ray, it’s just Conrad.”) Yes, I agree, the grandmother seemed kind of standoffish herself, like mother, like daughter.
And Beth breaking the plate(on purpose, no less!) would have been her (childish) way of discharging the negative emotion building up inside of her, over her and Calvin arguing over who to take a picture of whom until Conrad blew up with “Give her the goddamn camera!”
Judd Hirsch is a badass!!
RIP Don
Amazing. Still can’t watch this without tearing up a little
This movie is unbelievable. So many emotions
Parents can be sick too.
The most convincing portrayal of a narcissist on film...
No seatbelts..ahhh the past...Hutton vs MTM vs Donald is exceptional
Beth reminds me of that famous, lovingly overacted scene of east of eden..the hysterical "you're tearing me apart!!" lol where the parents were so busy repeating their own dramas and concerns that they could never hear what their struggling child was telling them.
"you can't save French Toast (garbage disposal in the background)"
Jane Doe goes in the fridge quite well
I know people buy frozen all the time.
The throwing away of the French toast was just over the top. I mean come on. Give him time to wake up!
that was so passive-agressive
Why waste toast like that? I mean, why not put it into the freezer and save it for later?
don't you see it's a passive-aggressive action?
They're upper middle class--they have the money to buy more french toast. Also, sometimes emotion overpowers logic. I remember a time when I was a child that, in the heat of the moment when I was upset at something, I broke a gold-colored trophy that I won in a spelling bee contest at my elementary school. It was a beautiful trophy--a gold bee. I regretted doing it immediately afterward and have regretted it ever since. Sometimes emotion--or repressed emotion--gets the better of us. But not having any emotion is also not good. Living life in an emotionally healthy way is really about seeing the positive rather than the negative.
Oh I agree! It could have been saved for later.
However, Beth was punishing Conrad for not being being hungry and considered his reluctance to eat it a deliberate slight against HER!
She is angry he did not take what she gave him
Such a great movie~!!!
I've watched this movie so many times. Read the novel. MTM...she was SO against type. So against public perception. And there's our concept of "Mary". Conrad where are you?
The dad is trying so hard, TOOOO hard. And it's hard to watch! So many families are like this. So many resentments, misunderstandings, bitterness. Yet there are no monsters here, no really bad people. Just people with their own problems and limitations.
Yes, this movie is like a mirror for any regular family that show us all our problems.
Beth was wearing a beautiful robe in this scene.
Thanks for the Upload !! XD
2:04 To me the most heart wrenching moment in the movie, Conrad barking as if pleading desperately for connection with his mom. He is trying so hard to communicate meaningfully with her and she's just unable to do it, as the next scene (and others) makes clear.
So intense! Ufff!
Trying so hard to be the perfect 🇺🇸 family 🤣
Just like my mom. Towards me
Must be very difficult.
Polly Jones I'm sorry to hear that. My mother was just like Beth. But I loved her and she loved me. She left us 2 years ago and I would dearly love to have her back in my life. Remember what Dr. Berger counsels Conrad; he needs to forgive Beth not for not loving him, but for not loving him enough.
😥
Beth couldn't turn the world on with her smile.
That's a loving mother for ya.
I saw this movie as a teenager. It was the first time I’d seen a mother besides my own treat her own child with cruelty and indifference. It took me a long time and therapy to realize she couldn’t give what she didn’t have
The dad was getting on my nerves with the camera. He knew the mother was a narcissistic monster and tried to push the situation.
I think he was trying to pin everything on Beth being as he wished she was rather than [at that point] facing what kind of person she ACTUALLY was.
I tried to see her as a victim, but she really is borderline childish and so hard towards her son trying to compete for attention, even if his son was suicidal...she was so selfish, only thinking about her.
I saw this movie back in the eighties and even now I can't make myself understand her I detest her so much.
Mat C in the book it’s even worse. The thing that upset her the most about Conrad’s suicide attempt was how hard it was to clean all the blood up in the bathroom. Beth is clearly a waste of space and she is not fit to be a mother.
@@sarasmith9450 Conrad mentioned that to the doctor- and I can't help but wonder HOW he'd have heard about her reaction unless Beth mentioned it in his presence or hearing! Of course, the irony is that it's possible that his suicide attempt was to grant her wish of Conrad having been the one who died instead of her favorite as a desperate means to get her to FINALLY love him (as horrific and self-destructive the action was against himself).
The film script is extraordinary. But if you read Mary Tyler Moore's biography her handle on the character she plays is all wrong. What makes her portrayal fascinating is how much she has in common with the character. Read the book. You'll be amazed
She was a cold hearted witch in this movie. Sadly, there are mothers like this. If you have one or more children YOU LOVE ALL OF THEM EQUALLY!!!
I know this is a movie but 1:48 as if she cares she only uses that excuse because it brings her good family publicity down like really
Suicide was their sons way of running away from home.
Or perhaps trying to grant Beth the wish that it had been HIM who'd lost his life instead of her favored son since she all but spelled out that she was upset that Conrad had survived while Buck hadn't.
amazing
A dog the size of a little football. ☑❤
No one makes movies like this, anymore.😢😢
Give her the Goddamned camera!
Powerful film.
Mary basically plays herself
are these clips in order of how they appear in the movie?
close, I think.
One movie that I have never watched. Creeped out by family reviews. Creeped out by the writer's son losing it trying to a direct a movie.
Dad didn't listen, he saw and heard what he wanted to see and hear!
At this point of the movie (and story) yes. However [spoiler alert]
he becomes SO desperate to try to save Conrad that he winds up having to face one of his worst fears- that Beth had never actually loved him [Calvin] instead of continuing to try to pin everything on how he WISHES Beth was.
DINNER WITH THE GODFREY'S OR ANY GERMAN LIKE LIZ CHARMAN. YOUR NEVER SURE HOW TO MELT SO MUCH ICE. I FELL ASLEEP.
Good movie.👊💯
Part of me believes MTM was acting but lots of her character was a rendition of her real self. Just came off as something of a witch during offscreen interviews
Yes, we had green carpet, and orange carpet.
These videos are edgy I tell you I got an upset stomach.
Typical of the yuppies in the early '80s. Adults where always more socially conscious of their prime image than the well being of their family.
The father in this is so wonderful
Robert Redford directed and I think he wrote . A genius in observation of family dysfunction
Directed yes, but it's based on the novel "Ordinary People" by Judith Guest
I was just wondering if I lied and said my Brother encouraged me to be cruel to our Parents when he gave me the book?
Good food is going to waste.
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I think this movie is so great because everyone can relate to the tension in a family even if they are not dealing with the death of a son or a suicide attempt. It's just a wonderful film.
She hated her second son because he wasn't Bucky.