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- a theory of mine on why zhongli and neuvillette's quest title doesnt match the name of their constellation like the other characters
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0:00 Intro
0:38 Theory
1:36 Morax
4:20 Neuvillette
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I always found it strange how Azdaha CLAIMS that Zhongli will not die and will stay alive until the end, even immortals can be killed by other beings in teyvat, most are immortal in age and cannot die of old age, but Zhongli really looks like someone that doesn't die
Zhongli may be full of mystery but one thing is certain his story is not over yet ,in the future we will see who he is and how strong he is and how strong venti is
Thats what Raiden said about him too
like they say morax can be a shade and venti is the strongest archon after all second is the cryo archon then Raiden ei
@@PelonStar Who is this "they".
@@F1ll1nTh3Blanks the people who go deep in Genshins lore basically like this TH-camr and other people
@@PelonStar I go pretty deep into Genshin's lore and know plenty others that do too, I have never seen anyone suggest that Venti is the strongest archon. Tbf, I have seen people suggest Zhongli could be a Shade but I think that theory looks increasingly unlikely with every passing quest and region, that we get information about him.
Neuvillete already told that he does not have a constellation, because that's part of the fate system created fot the usurpers to control the life form from Teyvat and he is above that control.
The constellation we saw at the moment is basically a creation of his own for the Melusine to had fun because they love reading astrology.
Yeah I remember this, but in regards to Zhongli - does that also mean its possible he created a constellation of his own too?
seems so, @@0oDanceDanceo0
Another thing worth mentioning, Neuvillette calls Zhongli “Deus Auri”, but all the other archons by their godly names. And as we know, every name carries a story, not even Venti refers to him as that and he’s the oldest known friend of Zhongli.
what does deus auri mean?
@@Cajun_Seasoning it means “god of gold” in Latin. Makes sense since mora came from liyue anyway.
@@iiMochqxMora is literally named after Morax hahah in latest anniversary summery when you check the amount of mora you spent during the year they wrote something along the line of : in ancient Liyue there had been a legend that said the first mora was made form the original body of Rex Lapis
No he call venti god of hop as well
Another fun fact is that Orobashi called Zhongli "The Golden God" which is the english translation of Deus Auri. The fact that he has only been called this by two beings that know about the creation of Teyvat and the Heavenly Principles is pretty suspicious ngl
He was never affected by the Irminsul tree either. Which tells me he that celestial doesn’t have control over Jhongli. He is definitely not from Teyvat.
On top of this Neuvillette has a character story in his profile which is that he does not have a constellation. He made up one because Sigewinne and other melusines dragged him into horoscope readings. He doesn't have a constellation because he is not bound by the fates of this new world. So with Zhongli having descended to Teyvat and Neuvillette being old world it is just that they do not have constellations.
@@1greninjawolfbossdeath648thanks for clarification
@@1greninjawolfbossdeath648 Also, did you notice, that the title of Zhongli's demo is: "Zhongli, the Listener". NEuvillette's is the "Watcher in the deep"
@@1greninjawolfbossdeath648 Exactly! I can’t wait until we get the story on Jhongli. Unfortunately I never was able to get Jhongli off his banner. ☹️ I can’t hear his voice lines.
Zhongli suffers from erosion so he definitely isn't a descender. @@1greninjawolfbossdeath648
Zhongli also made a contract with someone that made him unable to tell where the twin's sister is 👀👀👀👀
No… the contract was not to talk about Khaenriah cataclysm and this contract was made before Khaenriah battle started.
@@zoro2082we DONT know what the contract entailed. Making assumptions about what it actually is doesn't help. All we DO know, is Zhongli has taken a vow of silence with Celestia regarding Khaenriah. Is this regarding the TRUTH of Khaenriah? Is it because Zhongli did something stupid and Celestia wanted to end him, but made a deal instead? Did Zhongli find out something Celestia didn't want to rest of Teyvat to know, and it's related to Khaenriah?? We DONT know. Speculating is pointless, when we KNOW this will be answered given time. People just hold this arrogance that "I MUST be Right be I think I am more "knowledgable". I pretend to have information where non exists" git over yourselves. You kiddos have nothing but mindless speculation. You're grasping at red herrings believing them to be "golden truths". Give it time. Stop making shet up. The conclusion WILL come, no sense making shet up about it, only to be proven wrong when the time comes and you look a fool 😂😂😂. Save yourself the idiocy and just wait for the truth to reveal itself. Trying to force an answer will only get you the wrong one 😘
@@zoro2082 you are wrong zhongli made a contract with someone that not tell anyone about her brother sister..
The rex lapis statue is also the only 1 with a cube not an orb
Even Fujin said it for the nth time: adepti aren't a race or a species, they are just various magical creatures and even gods who are under the contract to defend Liyue. He is the first of the adeptus because he came up with the contract and was the first to pursue that role.
I do have a feeling that he is the Sun Chariot. Zhongli has been associated with the Sun so many times in the game and the Sun Chariot fell around the same time Morax first appeared on Teyvat. Not to forget the Sun Chariot fell because of his affair with the Moon Princesses and Zhongli was also said to have been "demoted" in the Chinese Translation.
Also Neuvillette called him Deus Auri which means the Golden God and the only other time we hear this title is from Orobashi's history who had learned alot about the origin of the world. Now the fact that he is only called by this title from two beings who know about the Old World is pretty suspicious if you ask me.
Actually the thing about Neuvillette's constellation is that it is said that Dragon sovereigns are constellations themselves (just found it other lore video). We know that Mona can't read someone's constellation when it represents themselves like on archons constellation. Neuvillette personally chose that constellation so that the melusines can have fun reading his constellation at the steambird, hence why he didn't use his real constellation because it represents him and won't be able to be read by Mona.
The part about dragons being constellations in physical shape is just theory.
Mona being unable to read the constellations also isnt strongly supported. It was Venti. He loves playing tricks, and he's going incognito. The running idea has been he purposely interfered with her divination. Regarding Neuvillette, iirc the reason wasn't cause they wouldnt be able to, but that itd be a lot more complicated and confusing if using his original, something about the name of it i think.
@@XenoWars looks like you didn't listen what Mona said on the 4.2 arc quest, I'm not just saying a theory that Mona can't read constellations that reflects the owner, but Mona herself said so in the quest, she even said only a visionary can do it (if I remember correctly)
@@mathew_was_alone296 That was for fortunes that affect the world, not personal constellations. So yes, it is just a theory. Go back and read it again. She wasn't even asked or trying to read anyone's specific fortune. She was asked if she could read something about the prophecy, which she couldnt since it affects all of Teyvat. Also, she can read the traveler's fortune despite their constellations being of themself
@@XenoWars what you said is true, it's about the prophecy. And where else can she read the prophecy? On a constellation, on furinas constellation to be specific which is a person who has a constellation that reflects herself. And Mona can't read the traveler's fortune she even said it herself, but if we use the same logic that you said about her not reading the prophecy shouldn't she be able to read travelers fortune because it affects all of teyvat, afterall the traveller is the fourth descender, and we know that a descender is someone who can rival a whole world. And even if we say it's just a theory there's more evidence of her not being able to read it than she can.
I also remember Neuvillet having a voice line Stating that he has another constellation To keep people like Mona(I mean astrologists) To keep them from finding out hes a dragon or😮 Or something of the like😅 Because I can't remember the exact wording
Whats the name of that voiceline?
I can't seem to find it now but then again they could have removed it after the archon quest I'm not sure🤔 I also don't remember the name because I didn't look at it😐 sorry
It’s so weird Zhongli said this:
“I am the god of Contracts, and was, for a time, a god of the people of Liyue.”
It’s like a filler identity, Liyue 3700 years founded by him. 6000 minus 3700 that’s 2300 years gap.
I also remember in that quest he said something about humans literally reminding me of this “before finally creating humans - our ancestors, numerous as the stars in the sky, uncountable as the sand on the shore. From that time, our ancestors made a covenant with the Primordial One, and so entered into a new age."The Year of the Ark's Opening"The Primordial One had a sacred plan for humans. As long as they were happy, it too rejoiced.” His previous identity? “Of mankind. My identity my change, but my eyes will bear witness to the history of humanity”
Wanted to point this out:
1)Celestia-The Heavenly Principles( in both CN and EN)
2) Nibelung-The Heavenly Father( in CN in Neuvillete's Voiclines. In Eng he is called The Formidable Father for some reason. Like why?)
3) Zhongli-The Heavenly Star( Zhongli Namecard in cn)
Neuvillette talked about nibelung ? Can you tell me which voicelines is it
Ashikai mention the translation in her video.
Neuvillete mention Nibelung in About Us: Witness.
I think this is just nomenclature, just like Beidou is described being a dragon lord on CN or Dvalin being described as a dragon born in the heavens.
According to Neuvillette himself; That constellation is not his. He just used it so the Melusines could check his constellation without revealing too much about himself.
More (theories) about Neuvillette:
It's uncomfirmed and is regarded as a theory but there are hints that leads to the conclusion of Neuvillette as the reincarnation of Scylla or at least Scylla being the first Hydro Dragon Sovereign (Or that Scylla/Previous Hydro Sovereign is the same person as Neuvillette).
Scylla was never mentioned as a dragon sovereign; but he is called as prince dragon in Remuria tales. This also fit the narrative of Sovereign Dragons hierarchy. If Nibelung is the _King_ among all Sovereign Dragons, then it would make sense if Scylla is dubbed as a _'prince'_ dragon.
Scylla the dragon prince gave Remus a magical goblet, he then helped Remus to build Remuria; Fontaine's ancient civilisation (and then Remus became the king of Remuria). Later on, Remus went mad and soon the the kingdom faced it's own end. Eventually, Scylla saw when one of the Shades, specifically The Shade of Life forcefully took the title of 'The Heart of the Primordial Sea' from him and gave it to a god (most probably Egeria)
(see: Golden Goblet of the Pristine Sea, Song of Stillness, Essence of Pure Sacred Dewdrop for more info.)
Scylla was then sealed by Boethius, the best bard in Remuria kingdom by stealing the golden ichor from Remus and sealed Scylla beneath the Remuria tower that eventually got swept and fell into the abyss, taking Scylla and the entirety of Remuria alongside it.
It is unconfirmed whether Scylla is the first (and currently previous) Hydro Sovereign, but it is confirmed that Neuvillette is the *_reincarnation_* of the previous Hydro Sovereign.
Neuvillette blatantly stated that he remembers the day when the Ursurper came and forcefully took his authority, he remembers the creation of Egeria, and he also remembers they day when Egeria commited her 'sin'. (See Neuvillette profile voice-over > Interesting Things: Vishaps, and see Neuvillette profile story > A Fontainian Nursery Rhyme).
Neuvillette also gave hints in his teapot voiceline that he wishes everyone in this world to live with their rightful rights; their true form. To quote, "...But if you're asking about the long term, and I would want *_all life to be able to live on in the original forms that are rightfully theirs._* " After replying a little to Traveler, he continued, "You're right, I... *_I'm saying that more for myself to hear_* than anything else."
Personally, I think this could be interpreted that Neuvillette feels trapped in his (current) form. That maybe he's stuck or *_sealed_* in this human form, just like how Scylla was sealed beneath the Remuria Tower in the story.
Funny enough, Neuvillette also hinted that he is aware of the existence of Teyvat as a snowglobe, that the sky is fake and there is something else beyond the firmament.
First hint is in his character demo, with the visuals of cracks in the sky. (But that could also be interpreted as the coming of the All-Devouring Narwhal, though in the 4.2 cutscene, the Narwhal cracked from BELOW, not from ABOVE, so it's still up for debate).
Second hint is his teapot voiceline. He mentioned how unfair this world can be under the influence of Celestia. To quote, "If you too, *_found yourself to be subject to grave injustice, yet bound to rules that are twisted and warped_* you must be willing to step up and right those wrongs."
Third hint about the world beyond Teyvat's' firmament, and that Neuvillette said that he'll wait the day when the Traveler can face Celestia's injustice and leave Teyvat. To quote, "If you cannot break free from the *_eggshell,_* the world is naught but a *_prison_* where you are blinded and confined. Do not be afraid of bleak desolation and poverty *_outside the prison,_* and don't fret about your stable rations being cut off *_once the prison is destroyed._* *_Outside that world..._* I will always be waiting for you."
And to add, I think Neuvillette was born when Egeria died 500 years ago. That primordial heart she had was his. Or rather, the previous incarnation. It would explain his memories of her when he technically never met her.
@@maiafay I would assume similarly, either Neuvillette was 'born' right at that time, or Scylla (now Neuvillette) gets unsealed/released/reborn/reincarnate
Every video related to lore : According to the "before sun & moon"
That book is our saviour fr🙏
bro that one book is a bigger lore drop than most of the archon quests. we cant help it.
Maybe Nuevillette's "birth" was more like Dan heng's,
There's no such thing as death for them and it's just an endless reincarnation rebirth thingy of the vidyadhara
Dunno forgor about star rail lore lmao
You're right tho. Nice job
In my opinion is Zhongli is the first of his kin in old world. Here is my arguments:
1) Zhongli can shape-shifting just like the vishap that related with dragon in old world. His knowledge and memories capacity are beyond ordinary those I think are related with learning ability (vishaps have great learning and adaptability). And ofc Zhongli is very genius enough to adapt for 6000+ years (make it he is the first/most perfect in his kin i guess).
2) His counterpart in another Hyvrse game has name "Adam" (Sorry I forget which game). Hyvrse love doing recylcying character design and they do not do it randomly (with purpose). "Adam" is first person in Semit/Gnonicitism lore. This reference are commonly we can find in Genshin.
And for strengthen your argument he is from old wolrd, when he said "dwelted for more 6000 years" it means he is older than this current world. In semit/gnosticism lore, the world are created 6000 years ago (we also can calculated this from Genesis bible). And yeah Genshin has main reference with Gnosticism mythology.
One more detail: Adam was made of the dust of the earth and breath of Abrahamic God. Earth= Geo
Can't "dwelt for more than 6000 years" be read as a metaphorical way of speaking?
I would like to point out that he is a dragon but he is half dragon and half qilin which was confirmed during the Liyue Archon Quest. An NPC stated that he is both illuminated beasts and we know a qilin does exist in Tevyat because Ganyu is one. He is not a dragon (vishap) but a chinese dragon. Like the Long's Scion or the Vidyadhara in Star Rail. Considering this is a Chinese game, it is very important to note that Chinese Dragons represent the Emperor during ancient times and Zhongli is an emperor in that regard which is why he is constantly having the Chinese Dragon motifs.
His CN title 岩王帝君 (Yánwáng-dìjūn) literally means Stonelord Sovereign.
Rex Lapis took the form of a half Dragon, and Qilin to appear to his people, but he bore several other forms as well. It was stated in the game, by Zhongli himself, that no one knows Rex Lapis's true form. :) (when we offer his statue the perfumes) It was also written somewhere, that he descended from heaven.
@@pepita2437 It is his form. Still his form which again, I have stated in my post, he is both dragon and qilin. In CN, he is referred as the Adepti's ancestor. He also appeared as himself which we have seen in cutscenes. The Stone Tablet compilations never stated he descended from Heaven, only that he descended and raised Mt Tianheng. Its still possible he Descended from the First Throne of Heavens but its not confirmed anywhere and thus only just a theory.
That's the vessel,not his actual self
And ngl,I'll rather trust zhongli himself than some rando npc
@@kannan07 His cutscenes says otherwise. I'm not saying I don't trust Zhongli but we literally see his Long (Chinese dragon) form multiple times. He is the embodiment of illuminated beasts. Basically he is half long, half lin and his tail is xiangyun which is a cultural significance. The smaller vessel we see is him making it small so that Liyue Harbour doesn't get too damaged because his illuminated form is super huge.
@@ChainedThoughts dude what's your point?
Just cuz we see him like that in cutscenes, doesn't mean it's his true form
Especially when it's confirmed that's his vessel
I wish neuvilette had the same dark blue eyeliner just like zhongli having red one 🥲
Morax says he has lived on teyvat for over 6,000 years.
Nuevillette is not much older than Furina at 500 years.
Neuvellete's goetic form/name is the Leviathan ( sea dragon demon )
and Zhongli is dragon of earth
I don't think this is true. The Leviathan isn't a demon name from the lesser key Grimoires. It's from the bible though. It's the great serpent/monster from the ocean that devours the world.
Zhongli's demon name is Morax or the demon king of hell, teacher of space, science and history. Not earth dragon.
I do believe that Zhongli has the authority of the earth dragon and is also made from the geo dragon potentially, much as was the case with Egeria, but he's not named an earth dragon, just a half lin dragon which is the form he takes.
@@F1ll1nTh3Blanks BRO! thats interesting... because i always though Ahzdaha was the Geo Sovereign... but.. Zhongli "breathed life" into Ahzdaha... so, considering your theory, I wonder who is the (original) Geo Sovereign from which Morax is made... 🧐
As a Filipino, the "Vago Mundo" literally means "new world". I think he's one of the four shades and we all know that the primordial one loves humans, and so were the four shades. I do think that when the second usurper claimed the throne from Phanes, the shades did not like the new law and so, they decided to abandon their positions, hence, zhongli demoting into an archon. He shall still protect the beloved humans, but as he denies ties with the heavens, the contract with the heavenly principle could be hiding the whole truth and deceive everyone that he is not from the heavens, hence blending as dragon/adeptus (since they are older) then into a human
that makes sense holy crap
I'm also filipino, I might be judging too much because of the name, but yeah it can make sense. "Bago Mundo" is close enough to "Vago Mundo" but I think the closest is Portuguese "Vago Mundo" = Vague World.
Different meaning but both could be hinting he's from or atleas knows the old world
I don't think so. Neuvillette and Apep seems to indicate that Phanes won that war but was severely weakened in the process. Also, we have potential candidates for the shades already that line up better than Zhongli. We know the Ishtaroth is almost certainly the shade of time. We can also say that Asmoday is also potentially a shade, I think life but others seem to think she's Space. So anyway, that means Zhongli would have to be life or death and life created Egeria. So death.. maybe but nothing about Zhongli design screams death to me, also there's a problem of shades being women.
Look at travellers story "The creator has yet to come" and the information regarding the third descender, both the 1st and 2nd worked together to create the gnosis.
It seems like PO was banished. @@F1ll1nTh3Blanks
Two things to point out that *might* contradict your theory:
1) Neuvillette named his own constellation because he didn't want ofhers to see that his constellation was just... "Neuvillette".
2) Zhongli's story quest name is Historia Antiqua or Antique History,which doesn't sound like the name of a constellation.
why they name Zhongli's quest that name ? everyone else have story quest name after their cons
@@kynguyenvu4919 I don't know. We can only theorize that it has something to do with the contract Zhongli made with the heavenly principles
@@cancer5950 just saying (to add, but not)... Historia Antiqua *could* be a Book constellation... j/s is all, lol
Nonetheless, Zhongli/Morax is ANCIENT AF! Who KNOWS what this mfer got up to back in HIS time. I see your point entirely.
Zhongli's constellation is Lapis dei
isn't it too similar to rex lapis,
He created his own constellation after becoming archon😂😂😂.
Just like Neuvilette's constellation is his dragon name leviathan which was created by he himself.
@@Lord_Genesis_ I don't remember any sources backing this up tho? Lapis Dei just means God of Stone,similar to Venti's Carmen Dei. And Zhongli's name isn't Rex Lapis,it's a title.
I think we’re going to get a 2 story quest for neuvillette and find out more about neuvillette
i honestly think he is one of the original dragons with neuvilette, and he just made a contract with celestia when he lost
I mean he was a dragon, before he faked his dead to retire and i agree he definitely has a contract with celestia but not because he lost a battle, he never did.
It’s said in Neuvillette’s character story that he doesn’t have a constellation and “Leviathen Judicator” is just something made up for the tabloids because he didn’t want to admit he didn’t have one. Not sure on the name of his story quest though.
It's also stated that Mona could not reqd through Venti's constellation, which means that even the Gods have either different kind of constellation or they have fake ones.
The traveler also had a Fake constellation.
@@citoyenneteavanttout7273 traveller doesnt have constellation, not even a fake one, he is gathering his memory all these time
Zhong's dragon form is just a fake, that much is true, but we don't know if its not his original form. It might be. Adepti are any beings who reached enlightenment, wouldn't be strange for a dragon to achieve that if even birds and deers can. That being said, I doubt he's a sovereign since he had a hard time against Azhdaha.
He is not sovereign cuz every sovereign can make dragon monster scared by his presence ,
While i got from other theory that zhongli might be descended like traveler is make sense because he is might be older than traveler also its confirmed in scara name cant use word morax
With zhongli keep saying that whatever his knowledge in the past cant be used in presence(osmanthius wine taste different the cause is the primordial one win the war)
Hoyo pls don't make us gather C12 characters
In one of the first liyue missions, at the time of the game's release/first year, we ask zhongli about the cataclysm and he says he made a contract that prohibits him from saying anything about it. I believe this applies to the ancient world as well. And if so, didn't he make deals with Celéstia to ensure he could stay alive in exchange for silence? And possibly hide your real nature too
celestia also couldn't kill sovereign(they are connected to tevyat) as well, they can reincarnate infinitely(only way to kill them is destroy whole tevyat) but that was never their purpose to come here.
Zhongli seems smart unlike neuvilette who is arrogant or prideful about his identity.
So he made the contract but what did he got in return.
My theory: His descendants are alive in liyue unlike other nation who fled away from land or left the tevyat or died but
liyue where most battles took place most gods ruled, vishaps still live there how???
Who was protecting them or controlling them not invade human area.
We all know who watches over whole liyue and answer is clear.
I'd like to suggest that characters with story quests named differently from their constellations are "individuals under a different system". As neuvillette's character story suggested: he is a dragon and thus shouldn't be confined by the current Teyvat's "fate". His constellation is probably fake. And story quests are, in essence, us watching characters acting out their predestined fate. So one whose story quest has a different name might mean that they aren't following their destiny.
Not sure if anyone else has noticed but Zhongli’s constellation matches a symbol found on the stone wall behind the petrified trees in the artifact/ weapon ascension material domains.
😱
@@kim_genshin the shape of Zhongli’s constellation, (minus the humanoid part)
perfectly matches a shape at the top of the wall. Coincidence?
@@AstraLuna-o9i wait i just checked but found nothing.. Do you have discord? Can you show me what you saw
@@AstraLuna-o9i Which one, the human one or the quest one.
@@F1ll1nTh3Blanks I don’t understand what you mean, can you clarify?
I know this is crazy Kim but hear me out.
Neuvilette doesn't have a constellation because he can act his own fate. What if... Zhong Li didn't have a constellation either AND THAT IS WHY HE IS BIND BY A CONTRACT TO CELESTIA.
They can't control him to act a predetermined fate and that is why he needed to sign a contract that we still don't know the essence of, because it is the only way to have him act a certain way.
Interesting
@@kim_genshin thank you ! Also I forgot to thank you for the amazing video I watched it with my pals and you made our day !
@@citoyenneteavanttout7273 haha im truly honored! Thank you so much
@@kim_genshin There is also a thing odd that I noticed that I see no one mentioning anywhere : Neuvillette does know that Rex Lapis (Deus Auri as he calls him) is ALIVE ?????
Also the name itself is very weird because the only two who had been calling him this are Neuvillette and Orobashi, and the only common thing between these two is that they have memories/knowledge that predates that we have been given so far, and the only names that resemble it etymologically could be found in Enkanomiya.
I had a long discussion with a Friend on Hoyolab, and we ended up noticing a pack of oddities that support your theories, if you are interested I can compile them for you in a comment 👍
@@citoyenneteavanttout7273 wait wow this is really interesting, could we please know more
i couldn’t love more zhongli… he is the reason why i downloaded the game in 2020
Same😂 I downloaded just because of his lore and wise talk and diluc’s sphenix
same, I started playing in his first banner only for him
Neuvillette actually states that he has his own, private constellation (which could very well be the old sovereign's one), but he gave himself another one (leviathan judicator) so that the melusines could have fun with it. If Zhongli is powerful enough, he very likely could've done the same thing
And, if I recall correctly, 6,000 years is the minimum for Zhongli's age. He very easily could've been around when the dragons sovereigns were in power, especially since the events surrounding their loss (if I'm remembering correctly), didn't take place too much more than 6,000 years ago (at least, relatively speaking). He actually could've been given a new one, instead of making one like Neuvillette did (because it seems that, for now, he isn't as powerful as even a weakened sovereign)
Well if you are talking about Azdaha, he beat him.
Also the dragon Sovereigns were in power way more than 6000 years ago, hell even the godless nation was 4000 years old or something and Sal Vindgr (Or whatever) collapsed right after it was born, both of these are very recent compared to the dragons.
Dragon era was probably over 10,000 years ago.
and what do you mean when you are saying he is weak.
Bro single handed killed& sealed many gods in archon war.
And we still don't know about his power that much.
Just imagine azedha was came to life in front of him
eroison hit him
but it didn't happen to zhongli in same way like other
He says
People abandon and surrender the things they love to pursue the right path. Perhaps this is the erosion imposed on me by the Heavenly Principles.
Why not memory loss or other things 😂😂😂.
It's clear, he is different compared to other archon or god.
@@Lord_Genesis_ Yeah. Before he even had the Gnosis, Morax as a whole single handedly killed and sealed many gods over the Archon War. If anything, maybe Morax/Zhongli gave back the Gnosis since he realized that he grew dependent on its power for a while and it was restricting his true abilities.
Like, Morax was a descender. Maybe he was a former Aeon. If not, he could be something just as or much more powerful than those gods. But over all, if Morax does decide to give his all, he could probably beat Celestia itself. It's probably why Morax got restricted with some contract to keep him in check.
nuevilette's power is actually only been predicted for the most part. For what he has done so far it doesnt outdo any of the past or present archons.
dude theyre both my fav characters and i have them both. couldnt be happier
Definitely reminds me of the stone tablets, which is ‘demoted’ in CN. Most people thought he was banished from Celestia, but it might not be that simple… Also, Adepti are a special kind of illuminated beast/god, because they not only have the adeptal arts, something Zhongli taught them, but are specifically Zhongli’s followers.
Tartaglia also has the same constelation, and even the same history (constelation = fate), from the original Ajax, the man described in the Hiperborea Samsara, when the world was covered in ice and a boy named Ajax fell into the Abyss.
WHAT
Plus Zhongli says “more than”. So he could be 6500, 10000, 20000 or more actual years old.
So, if Neuvillette got some memories from his previous incarnation, maybe he now knows who Zhongli really is. That was something I wanted to see him talk about but I guess we'll have to wait. I love Neuvillette but Zhongli will always be my favorite character. I would hate to see them on opposite sides in the final battle.
He's so intresting, intricate, ans extremly well written.
@@citoyenneteavanttout7273 I concur. Very few characters are as well developed as he is. And the voice acting only takes the whole character to a superb level.
@@RenoDarkwaterAlso fear not. Neuvillette explicitly stated that he would not "physically confront Deus Auri" I do not know why people omit the fact that these two information are on the highest level of oddities. First we have another being other than Orobashi speak of ZL with this name, and secondly we have a fully fledged dragon that doesn't speak as rudely as him as the other archons, he seemed pretty serious on that one.
The whole idea of the "Old World" also makes sense when you consider the funeral for La Signora where the Jester says that La Signora's resting place will be "the entirety of the 'Old World'" which could either refer to a land before the Primordial One's influence or that the world will once again be reborn and the Teyvat we know now will become the Old World when that happens.
Also Nuvi made the current constellation we see in-game so melusine can have fun predicting through his constellation through astrology ( so that's explain why he has different name on story and in-game constellation, and no doubt zhongli's one is also made by himself like Neuvillette and if i remember correctly sovereign doesn't really have constellation since their power didn't come through celestia so no constellation).
Love your theory videos on Zhongli! Always very interesting to ponder on
Glad you like them!
neuvillette states that the hydro dragon sovereign that lived through the primordial one’s usurping of teyvat had died, so no he did not exist before the primordial one’s reshaping the world
He's the same dragon reborn.
this point is addressed in the video
bro that was for war rule but Primordial one didn't kill them😂😂😂
He took their power and only used their power to create other life here.
@@Lord_Genesis_ 🤦♀️ i didn't say the primordial one killed it. neuvillette SPECIFICALLY says that his predecessor as the Hydro Dragon had died. This was after the Knave tells you about how she attacked Furina, and where the traveller finally figures out neuvillette actually is the hydro dragon. that is all i said. Give it some more thought next time.
@@anxia-tea5846 This was before he regained his original power and memories.
2:29 Adepti is not a race, its more like a title (The adeptus Fujin confirmed it). So far all we know is that all greater beings that are Morax followers have the title of Adeptus.
Some of the know Adepti races are Illuminated Beasts and Yaksha.
Also, Adepti is more of a way of being. It is something that is taught, and takes great patience to learn. (but does help having some higher-tuned power)
@@swizzamane8775 I think being immortals or having a very long lifespan is kinda of a requirement to become a Adepti.
I don't think a normal mortal can become one. Like Shenhe that know some Adepti arts but is not a Adeptus.
@@vitor900000 you have it wrong kiddo. Watch the lore more, and listen carefully. Adepti IS a way of being, AND achievable by ANYONE, mortals included. (Again, it helps to have a higher-tuned power, HELPS but is not REQUIRED). Check the lore again, your interpretation falls shorts.
(Sounds more like YOU want immortality to be REAL, so you argue for it sooooo vehemently. Dissuade from this single track thinking, and rely more on the actual facts given, not suppositions)
@@swizzamane8775 "I don't think a normal mortal" starting with a "I" with means my opinion/perception aka not official info.
May be possible for a human mortal to become one? Yes. Do we know of any that achieved it? As far as I know no.
@@vitor900000 you haven't dug deep enough. The lore IS there. It just serves you NONE if I just feed it to you. Part of finding this Lore is going through the Adeptal training yourself. Much of the current release has the surface level stuff. But if you want more specifics, you need to search the HISTORY. Try getting off your azz and doing so, instead of acting all high and mighty, CLAIMING you KNOW something you CLEARLY don't. Finish your research little one. Your journey has ONLY just begun
Well, in most stories, he is referred to as a “stubborn rock” or “unmoving rock”, and during his quest when the Fatui broke the contract Zhongli said “Those who break their contracts shall suffer the wrath of the Rock,” and at first I didn’t think much of it, but after I paid more attention to it, I realized that “rock” was said as “Rock” with a capital R meaning it is the name of some sort of entity, not just an element or inanimate object. So I’ve come to the conclusion that he is a rock and when he quoted Morax (aka himself) the “rock” he was referring to was himself because since he is the God of Contracts those who break their contracts will suffer his wrath. Also, rocks tend to be old as hell because they can last so long so it can be the reason why he is so old.
Almost as if he is a Rock Spirit. Much as Venti is a Wind Spirit.
I don't understand why people have to make mounds out of mole hills. All answers will come with time. People are just soooooo impatient, and want their "Geo Daddy" to be the "bestest boi der eber waz".
Many of the bread crumbs left surrounding Zhongli have only caused people to lose their minds with speculation.
You're probably the closest we can get for now, given what we have as fact, not theoretical nonsense like many have done
There's also this text about Zhongli that he "descended". Not born, but descended. We all know there are descenders... I don't know. I'm just gonna enjoy the story.
Actually in the Chinese Text, it says he was demoted not descended. English translation makes mistakes all the time. Like Pierro being called the 1st Harbinger, The Dendro Archon being called a 'he' and Arlecchino being called Lord instead of Lady.
@@nothmm8582 oh, that's good to know. Thank you.
Doesn't the adepti only becomes adepti because they receive some sort of enlightenment from Zhongli... That would've mean that Adepti aren't really a race but are something that Zhongli came up with
yeah most of the adepti are just gods with extra steps
@khadizaanwarjolly5779 extra steps that include receiving illumination from Morax, an illumination that we still don't grasp the essence of besides, Alchemy, subspace creation and these are just examples
also the adepti arts, sigil creation and subspace creation were taught to adepti by morax
Morax is likely a descender or just allien that is not affected by irmensoul.. it was proven after erasing previous dendro archon, his line changed slightly but was exactly the same in a way. And there are tpn of other suspicious moments about him.. so yeah.
Funfact
Egeria and neuvillette cannot coexist
Zhongli also told that due to contract with Cryo Archon, he couldn't share anything about Travellers sister
I. Wouldn't be surprised if our sibling ask the cryo archon to do this
about the adepti, it's actually just a title, zhongli founded this organization to help him protect liyue, they're actually illuminated beast if we're talking about their race
But illuminated beasts are stated to have been granted their illumination, from the most part, from Morax, as Madame ping stated, thus why he is called the Prime/ancestor of the Adepti.
@@citoyenneteavanttout7273 so Morax made them illuminated beasts? were they just beasts before or were they somethign else
@@dumbkid4ever224 probably? I think its stated somewhere that humans can't become adepti, so take that as you will. Terminology is also muddled bc of ENG localization. I recommend lookin at the wikipage about adepti if ur curious
@@squidhatonaglobe4030 alright, time for another wiki dive, maybe I'll try the chinese one to really see the original text
Did you notice, that the title of Zhongli's demo is: Zhongli, the Listener. NEuvillette's is the "Watcher in teh deep"
So many similarities👀
Technically neuvi doesn’t have a constellation
His constellation is literally just him
Morax has strong connections to the moon sisters. Most likely he's the shade.
I don't fully understand why people always deny the possibility that Zhongli could be one of the dragons, "because Celestia wouldn't allow him to become an archon" but the thing is, we don't know yet if Celestia even knows that Neuvillette is a dragon. wouldn't they also try to prevent him to be this close to an archon, if they knew about his heritage? Same goes for Zhongli, why does everyone presume that Celestia miraculously knew who he really is? It feels like people expect Celestia to be all knowing, but we learned that they can be fooled. So why couldn't Zhongli just have pulled a similar stunt?
Though It's also speculated that those in Celestia are dead, and have been for the past 500 years.
And the only thing keeping everything running is the "rules" or principles that celestia left behind.
Giving visions and such.
Which is why they haven't "stopped " neuvillette.
But they could have stopped Dongli.
After the latest added voicelines of Neuvilette, he does not allude to him as being a dragon.
There is no record in Teyvat, nor did Apep, nor did Neuviellette talk about a possible traitor, and since they despise Celestia and the ''Fake Gods'' and Rex Lapis seems to be no difference to the rule, he is now the farthest from being a dragon.
Neuvilette refers to him as one of the usurpers, which could be very odd if he was a dragon, how could one be an usurper of their own power ?
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Except that Azdaha is younger than Dongli.
If Azdaha was Liyue's dragon sovereign,
He would have to be older than Dongli
@@Izyume azdaha is likely older or at least somewhat at the same Age as zhong li himself or as implied in zhong li story quest
Kun Jun: You may live forever, doomed to a lonely existence... yet even this is temporary. When you reach the end of time, those people, those past and future relationships predetermined by fate... They will be waiting for you.
Zhongli: I do not pretend to match your rhetoric when it comes to the subject of a life long-lived. I fear that the life of an elemental being is longer than any in this world.
@@citoyenneteavanttout7273 and why assume that the dragons all know each others identities? Neuvillette can only make statements and assumptions based on his knowledge. To fool Celestia no one is allowed to know, so why would he reveal himself to be a Sovereign to the others, if it would blow his cover.
I am not saying that I believe this theory to be true, he could also be a Shade or a Descender. All I am saying is that people rule out those theories too easily. We should take everything with a grain of salt.
zhongli is old. REALLY old he was around when the moon sisters were around still alive and that would mean he was alive when the seele were still living in celestia or right when they were expelled. he could've been alive when the second who came after attacke...maybe. but he wasn't alive before celestia arrived. there is a book that talks about how he firt descended to teyvat ppl thought he was a descender (he isn't) and the original translation was demoted. he could've been sent down by celestia , i mean the nail he uses to free azdaha look a lot like the one celestia uses. however it says the moon sisters alive in a time when zhongli was young. it would seem he was created in teyvat as he was still what would be considered a child to young adult.
I am having a huge debate with other fans over Zhongli. They claim you don’t know what an adeptus is. They claim the primordial one made the constellations to trap everyone, and the constellations didn’t exist before then. They keep dismissing what Zhongli says about dwelling on this world, they keep insisting he is only 6k, and that his constellation and his story quest being different mean nothing. They say he’s some sort of Adeptus and therefore cannot be a shade because he’s too young. There is no mystery to his origins because we apparently know his true age and so forth.
Oh and it’s just falsehoods in this video because you’re trying to get views. Their words not mine. This is on the hoYolab app where apparently everyone is an expert on lore.
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I will admit, some theories I’ve heard with a bit more evidence do contradict this channels videos, but it’s not EVERY video- some are still valid, and saying all are downright wrong is just ????
Also straight up ignoring the lore like are these people sane
@@kim_genshin I wanna share with you something that can be a game changer.
We know that by far Morax is the only God who is literally worshipped by other immortal beings (his Adepti are basically deities)
*Moonlit Bamboo Forest book :*
"Before the ancient immortals established the universe, there were gods that wandered across the lands. It was at this time that many of the adepti came into being. But what about before then?"
"Only broken memories and fragments of the past were turned into stories, and stories turned into legends, passed down among the people..."
Since we know that Zhong Li is the prime of Adepti, we could potentially estimate that if Adepti became to be such time before the creation of humans, that Morax had been there with the first immortals that roamed the world.
We do know that Azhdaha has information that states Zhong Li will outlive everyone, and will live until the end of times.
That would make sense of the sussiest line of why Neuvillette expicitely stated that he probably wouldn't fight Zhong Li, instead of talking about him in the almost stand-offish way he talked about the other Archons.
As I am accustomed to a beautiful performance, narrating the most beautiful images and logical evidence that is carefully linked together, I can only thank you for your wonderful effort, as usual.
Im so glad, thank you so much!!!
Man those cut scenes almost look the same frame by frame
dude ur editing is getting better and better i'm proud of u pookie
Thank you honey bun with a cherry on top😻
There is a lot of things that sets apart Zhong Li from beings of Teyvat generally. He was actually the reason I started paying attention to lore, when I've seen the scripture on his statue that oddly look like the floating characters on domains, the fact that he holds a cube that oddly reminds me of the same ones we find, again, in the domains, the fact that he states the erosion is "imposed to him by Celestia", how his age is unclear but his first appearance in teyvat strangely coincides with uprecedented weird events and many many things.
I still highly doubt he is in any way shape or form related to the dragons, otherwhise Neuvillette would have hinted at it or at least wouldn't had that much grudge against him. A thing that baffles me tho is how Neuvillette specifically states he won't fight him physically, what an odd thing to add to his about.😅
Edit : aslo one of the numerous oddities that surround him is that the name he is given is Latin, and everytime Latin had been used in this game is just also either ralted to the adventurers guild "Ad astra abyssasc" or in the scriptures that fill ancient ruins, or other very strange stuff.
Neuvillette holding a grudge against Zhongli doesn’t mean Zhongli isn’t related to the dragons. Say Zhongli is a dragon that joined with the usurper’s, that would give Neuvillette a pretty good reason to be massively pissed at him, it’s pretty much the most damning betrayal.
That geo cube was actually created by his lover, an adepti who passed away. She gave the Memory of Dust to Zhongli and made him promise (form a contract with her) to seek a way to open it by understanding humanity.
Zhongli often reminds us that he's not very well versed with humans but likes them a lot, he's always learning new things about the humans around him that astonish him, eg; when he realised that the original Millileth who fought alongside him during the archon wars were poisoning themselves just by being in his presence, but fought at his side regardless as his faithful.
@@AstraLuna-o9i He wouldn't have stated it as a "stolen" power then. Clearly the sole motive for him to judge the Gods is that the authority they wield is "stolen" from his kin which wouldn't make sense if he is a dragon.
@@Rexhunterj Memories of Dust is a totally different trinklet than the cube he is holding in his statue. The cube is, well cubical, the Memories of dust is a puzzle that resembles more the meteor in his ult. We are reffering to two different things.
@@Rexhunterj Btw the catalyst mamory of the dust was created in the image of the puzzle.
There is this theory of mine that Zhongli might be of bigger role. Since knowing that he represents Liyue/China, it is only but fitting that Hoyoverse, a Chinese company, would make their "hero" play a vital if not the most powerful character.
Thank you Kim for making a video on Jhonhli and Neuvillette! I enjoyed your video very much! ☺️
My pleasure 😊
I still think he’s actually the Geo Sovereign, for a few reasons:
1. He’s already been stated to have been the strongest Archon during the Archon War, and could easily topple the others. (Before he gave up his authority obviously.)
2. Him having a similar constellation/story quest situation as Neuvillette.
3. He’s also the God of Contracts. And supposedly the strongest Archon during the war. Now, people often make the argument that “Why would Celestia make one of the Sovereign’s an Archon when the whole point was to overthrow them.” I wouldn’t be surprised that he could have possibly made a contract with Celestia, to turn his authority into a Gnosis. So that way, they could easily take it from him if somehow the contract was broken or they felt the need, while allowing him to keep it.
4. All the Archons’ “true forms” appear to be either humanoid, or something related to their element. Like Venti being a wind spirit, and the others just being fancier versions of themselves. Meanwhile Zhongli’s true form, is a dragon. People argue Azdaha is the Geo Sovereign but we already know he’s not. He’s been confirmed to be the Lord of Vishaps, and can technically use all the elements that the vishaps can use.
Neuvillette doesn’t have to know Zhongli is a fellow Sovereign. Especially if he was only reincarnated 500 years ago and hasn’t met him yet.
I'll debunk everything {insert maniacal laughter here}
1. No where is this stated. Only that he's the eldest of at least the current archons. Nothing about strength.
Also a gnosis isn't where the the bulk of an archon's power is stored. Which is why archons can still be powerful when it's relinquished.
2. Constellation being different from Quest doesn't mean they're the same.
Neuvillette's constellation is fake and based on his true form, that of a dragon. Zhongli's, is of his likeness as Morax, not a dragon.
3. All gods are gods of one kind of principle be they archon or not. Dragons hold their own principle which may overlap with archons but not explicitly both Neuvillette and Furina held the principle and interest of justice and theatre to some degree. Both Azhdaha and Zhongli share the principle and interest of Contracts/bonds and history, one can say the same is true with Dvalin and Venti with hope and freedom or even Apep and Nahida where concerns knowledge and wisdom but these are just themes more often than not and not really anything explicit, so I refrain from reading too much into it.
3.5 I'll flip the Celestia + dragon thing on its head for you then. Never mind why Celestia would work with a dragon. Why would a dragon, betray its own kind, to work with those that destroyed its domain, family and all..
Also, this gnosis thing is a misnomer, we already know the gnosis has nothing to do with the sovereigns authority and instead contains the remains of the 3rd Descender. Also, Zhongli gave his gnosis away anyway.. why do that if that goes against a contract he made with Celestia.. All of this would just paint him in an awful light.
4. The archons true forms are not humanoid. They take up this shape so they can blend in and or communicate with humanity/their subjects.
Zhongli Exuvia is never stated to be his true form either, that much remains an unknown. Also, the Exuvia is not a true or full dragon at all dragon, it's half lin, half dragon.
4.5 How does the term lord differ from sovereign. They mean the same thing. If this is a hill you want to die on then Azhdaha is also called king, as is Nibelung. You know who else is called lord, in CN, the hydro dragon is called a lord. Depending on the translation Beidou, Egeria, the Primordial One and Zhongli are called Sovereigns. Does that mean that Beidou is also the electro sovereign.. or that the Primordial One killed themselves and the other dragons and named themselves Nibelung and made the gods and humans, to take over the world?
4.5 .2 Azhdaha as a geovishap can use other elements by absorbing elemental energy from the Leylines, it's an ability, innate to them.. If Zhongli was one of them then surely he'd be able to do the same..
Then theres the fact that Azhdaha in the TCG description is referred to as the ancestor of the geovishaps. Whereas Zhongli eludes from his own mouth not to be as old as Azhdaha. Zhongli also states that he cannot create something as sophisticated as a vishap, which would surely be blasphemy for a sovereign, not least one with his own elemental authority to say that they cannot create a vishap. No no no, that won't do surely..
5. Neuvillette has the memories of his past incarnations now that he is a full dragon with his authorities. So yes, if Zhongli was a real dragon, Neuvillette most certainly will recognise Zhongli or Deus Auri as he called him.
Yes, Zhongli is an unknown, my theory is that he's a scion of the solar chariot, given form with the remnants and authority of Geo a bit like Egeria but I can't fully substantiate that and it's a theory I have built from others of a similar nature. I look forward to the day we find the truth.
@@F1ll1nTh3Blanks < bro has done his research. listen to this guy ^_^ lol
@@F1ll1nTh3BlanksTo be fair, Zhongli completely avoided Neuvillete, despite the fact that Neuvillete never met him, so he shouldn't know that Neuvillete is the hydro dragon
Somewhat off topic I love how you edit your videos ❤ 3:44
Thank you so much🙏❤ that part took me so long to make haha
My two simps are connected 👴🏻👴🏼🥰
OMG OMG I WAS THINKING ABT THAT 😂
So, every Archon is an elemental creature. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
What if Zhongli is also a Dragon Sovereign??
It IS a popular theory, where it's sad that Zhongli sold himself to the Primotial One for his oun survival
Le primordial n'as aucun intérêt à restituer son autorité à un dragon souverain, et il est aussi dit que Azdaha était plus puissant que Zhongli
There is a possibility, but the hints show Azhdaha to be more of a sovereign than Zhongli is. The clue is "vishap" which is said to be some kind of evolution from dragon sovereign, and Azhdaha is said to be the oldest geovishap.
@@illburnmydread true, but didnt zhongli share his power with azhdaha? or am i remembering wrong? zhongli "sharing" power with azhdaha is similar as to how sovereigns share their authority with archons
@@itzmesquishyaj2263 yes it’s true about the part where he “shared” his power, practically he gave Azhdaha eyes. But the archon war picked the sevens as the archon through a war, basically it’s the other way around, they kinda forcibly conquered the “throne”
This makes alot sense, I had a similar theory as well, but didn't think about the change because of the renewal of the world
What if Zhongli is actually the original Geo Dragon Sovereign and is just masquerading as the Geo Archon?
Could explain why he is so powerful. Even in Lore, Liyue seem to have been hit the hardest throughout the history.
But azdaha is older then him and imped to be the sov
@Xxc3 There no proof of that.
Azaha was found later in Liyue by Morax. And then given shape with eyes.
So this would be imply that Azaha would need to be form before Morax appearance and his power would have felt before hand by others. But the fact it took years before he was even sense, it means he form a little after Morax was operating in Liyue. Timeline wise it make sense.
Why Neuvillette is going to judge him then if Zhongli is one of the 7 sovereigns himself? Also Azhdaha called him "usurper", so he can't be one of 7 dragon sovereigns.
@@whitecat3448 He never call Zhongli that. Only ever call him Morax and his friend.
Plus, if Zhongli was a Sovereignty Dragon, it woulf mean either Zhongli was enslave, he sided with Celestia fue some circumstances, or he defect from the war as a neutral party.
Plus, there no proof Neuviltte woulf even know the others dragons. He seemly have second hand information as far we know and just assume Zhongli was part of the usurper plot.
Idc they’re hiding something, they still look fine as hell 🤭
the new constellation for zhongli is for when he became an archon. I think whoever was deemed as archon will have their fate, somewhat sealed, because furina also have an archon constellation yet she isnt one, but celestia thought she was the archon. and to this day, they still think shes weeping on her throne alone.
Furina's constallation means that she was appointed by archon (greek for ruler) to create a performance.
Or maybe Furina got the archon constellation because she's confirmed to still be Focalors. Just not the Devious half. She's just her other naive half.
Zhongli has knowledge on decenders, and knows you can travel outside teyvat, we find out that to be considered a decender you must have a will to rival the world he may be a being from another world who was locked in teyvat like a prison 😮
damn... what a great video, keep it up! and the cross examination at 3:30 ... lmfao i love it
Thank you🥰
Nruvi dosen't have a con he just picked that so melusine can read his con in the steambird
I once thought zhongli might be one of long's scions mentioned in the star rail myriad celestia trailer. Theres a line which says "Long's scions are dispersed throughout countless worlds living in solitude" Maybe zhongli came to teyvyat a very long time ago and became a part of it as time went on.
@@holymoly-ii6of LongLi 👀
@@holymoly-ii6of 😂
Also, people state Zhongli can't be from the old world because Apep and Neuvillette didn't mention any traitors. However, "traitors" in general is kinda impossible because Azhdaha exists (and he WILLINGLY decided to *submit* to Zhongli, a "Usurper" who projects the rules of the king Usurper for everyone to follow, yet Apep and Neuv don't refer to Azhdaha as such).
Azhdaha called zhongli a traitor!!
@@kim_genshin Azhdaha was obviously only referring to the broken contract he forgot (he didn't remember it, therefore thought there was no reason for Zhongli, his BFF, to seal him away) in his eroded state. Not anything to do with Celestia Shenanigans and/or older history outside of that. Proof lies in Kun Jun, the "actual" Azhdaha, correcting corrupted Azhdaha and telling him he's wrong. Also Zhongli himself stating Azhdaha was only throwing out these accusations b/c he forgot about their personal contract.
But that would be entertaining if they were referring to older history. It would only be applicable if sane/un-eroded Azhdaha supported it, *which he does not, and was not referring to Celestia's history, just the contract between himself and Morax* (made wayyyyy after Teyvat's creation and Primordial One shenanigans)
now watch all of this be thrown in the trash if, when Neuvillette meets Zhongli, he calls him a traitor LMAO
@@kim_genshinactually he called him a usurper which is honestly even weirder since coincidentally it is the same title that apep uses to call the primordial one i think
From jiu the girl that was controled by azhdaha
Jiu: You're a little
early... Are you here to witness the resurrection of the most ancient, most awe-inspiring individual in Liyue's history?
Do you mean Rex Lapis?
Jiu: Hah... That usurper?
@@teyvatz7169 wouldn't call it too weird. Neuvillette refers to not only Zhongli but *all* of the Archons/general gods as Usurpers.
This also goes with the theory of Zhongli being a Shade, and I would assume of the 4 shades we know he wouldn't be life or time. He wouldn't be death, and so all he could really be is the one that is speculated to align with either reason or memory. Despite him talking about eroding, he happens to still have a crystal clear memory of all things and events that have transpired. He's very logical minded, and also still has memory of before Irminsul's change to erase the forbidden knowledge. He's all but confirmed Zhongli, or Deus Auri as Neuvillette calls him, is at least related to descenders because of that fact.
As for Neuvillette, I'm going to think under the pretense of Genshin having taken place somewhere at least accessible to the Star Rail universe due to the fact that the glider is found on Herta Space Station. By the way of the text, it also makes it sound like the events of Genshin already occurred in the past from it stating "The black feathered wings fly still, as if recounting a story, as if singing a whole world." and if it sung the song of a whole world, that means it's already been across ALL Teyvat with the Traveller.
So with that out of the way, the Dragon Sovereigns of Teyvat seem to work eerily familiar to Long's Scions. Otherwise known as the Vidyahara. Both have immense, ancient draconic power. Both can hold the appearance of a humanoid. And both self reincarnate at some point during their life span, with the ability to access some of their old memories and have their old powers as well. Yet, at the same time, they are a different person entirely. I wouldn't put it out of the question then that Constellations could be inhereted as well.
And according to the Intellegencia guild within Star Rail, "The Vidyadhara are not the only branch of Long's Scions, and are said to be spread throughout countless worlds." So that means that Long has had other Scions in other worlds, with him being the "Progenitor of all dragons."
You know what's funny ? I just happened to read about the Aeons two days ago and I bumped into Qlipoth and all I could think about is fricking Zhong Li.
I don't know is there is any connection, or maybe it's a mere similarity in design, or I don't know if they happen to take the inspiration from the similar space but, hell do they just remind me of eachbother.
Neuvillette doesn't have constellation. He just kinda made one because melusines like to read astrology and asked what his constellation was. (And as a Hydro Dragon Sovereign, he need not subscribe to the "fate" System)
well i do think he could be associated with death since asmoday is considered to be the shade of space, shade of time being isaroth, shade of life is related to Fontaine so he can't be the one but in case of death yeah he could be the shade of death since he is working at a funeral parlor,liyue has the gate of life and death but yea this one has really low possiblity
@@Venerable_of_the_north That's possible but all the Shades are described to be female and Zhongli doesn't have much depiction of death on him.
But didn’t neuvillete say his second constellation is actually made by him. As his actual constellation is just neuvillete
yeah appearantly he did so melusines can more easily read his charts or something. he can do that because he posseses the authority thing now.
@@ivana3263 About the last part I thought he did it before max authority
@@SaulAguilar87258Technically he did it after regaining his power I think. The thing is, he was released before the story quest so his playable release doesn’t fully match his actual lore timings to put it that way. It’s also why in last ascension he says he has regained the power the usurped had taken from him, he was referencing when Foçalors dies and gives him back his power; in short, his release was before events that his voice lines refer to
@@liamalexandrealbinolatin2510I've seen another person mention this before, which as the case is now, can be summed up as:
The Neuvillette when he was released would've been considered Neuvi from the future
I think the theory is far fetched but long story short, Constellation are used in game to act as like a power up for a character while their story represents their journey. Zhongli's Historia Antiqua which means ancient history in latin, suits him well as he basically retires from being an Archon/Guardian of Liyue. While his Constellation, Lapis Dei, meaning Stone of the God, suits him well too. Unlike the rest of the Archon, Zhongli is the only one who fully retires and willingly gives up his Gnosis and because of that, he's ancient history
I mean also to that: Morax was always called "God of history", it's not just that he suddenly became "historia Antiqua", after he retired, but he was always it, bc of how much he remembers everything - it's how I said that he always was it, since he also got that certain title
And also Neuvilette calls zhongli "gold god" or something
Aeus dauri
@@SlametKoplingGaming Deus auri which means god of gold
well- yeah? He was the one to create mora, which is gold
@@squidhatonaglobe4030 it's just nobody has ever addressed him that way except Neuvilette
Saying how Zhongli could have existed during the recreation of Teyvat era reminds me of his 2nd story quest where he tell the traveler that he is a witness (descender) and if anyone can remember the events of Teyvat it will be him (not affected by Irminsul).
This theory could explain how Zhongli knows about this, how he knows that history has and can still be re-written by forgetting true events happened in the past as if it never existed.
Zhonglis is a primordial being too, so he couldve been a "sovereign"
no that's unlikely
@@sauce8148 not really tho
Zhongli existed long before Celestia was a thing, and it was his powers that made the floating islands in many picker dimensions such as the teapot a thing according to madame ping, so it's very likely he was something of the sort, but then again his dragon form was just a vessel, or maybe that dragon was to hide his true form which was his sovereign self. That's what I think
@@ruuu_rooo1382 Long before Celestia? Where did you pull that information from?
It doesn't make sense. Why would a sovereign retain their position after getting whooped by the primordial one? This is why archons exists, to replace the position of power that once belonged to the sovereign
@cherenmertens Zhongli is a special case, what applies to others may not apply to him. For one we don't know what he is except a shapeshifter. Two, he and Venti are binded by a contract with Celestia we don't know yet if the two remaining archons are. Three he is the oldest being we know yet. And that's about all.
Hello Kim, as a reactive theory crafter, I noticed something odd that I wanted to share with you :
I was kinda triggered by the unbalanced amount of hate Dragons have toward the Archons that manifests in Neuvillette wanting to ''Trial'' them, especially since we had been EXPLICITLY shown FOUR instances of the Archons not reciprocating this hate, nor regarding Dragons as foes.
It's just odd to me that we have the whole first Archon quest of Venti trying to help Dvalin, as well as him being one of his four winds.
Then we have Azhadaha and Morax, in which the latter not only granted him sight, brought him to live above ground, and taught him to live with humans, but also shared his power with him in a desperate move to recover him from his erosion.
Then we have Nahida, who was ready to sacrifice herself to help her and ease the pain inflicted on her by the withering.
Then of course Focalors giving her authority to Neuvillette and entrusted him with her abode and people.
It just, doesn't make sense to me at all.
Hope you can help me make sense of that.
That's an interesting discovery. The dragons showing hate towards the archons while the archons help the dragons. Well in the perspective of the dragons, getting your earth stolen from you by some usurper, then them hating the current world including humans, archons and celestia itself is a valid sentiment. Perhaps the archons after knowing about their situation felt pity towards the dragons and maybe this is why they're *secrelty* helping the tsarista to overthrow celestia the true usurper. Maybe in the endgame, after the heavenly principles is defeated, the dragons will once again rule the world and coexist with humanity without hate
@@kim_genshin That's very plausible. I think it's a given that the world as we know it is gonna change/end as per what Kun Jun (Azhdaha) stated : "You may live forever, doomed to a lonely existence... yet even this is temporary. When you reach the end of time, those people, those past and future relationships predetermined by fate... They will be waiting for you."
@@citoyenneteavanttout7273except, Neuvillette does not show any hate towards Focalors and the Dendro Archon, he holds them in high regards and doesn't want to judge the Dendro Archon, but knows that he must judge them someday
@shadowkingleo7776 Which is the basis of me being uneasy about the whole situation because it doesn'tmake any sense, if the hateredstemed from their autority, then the Dendro Archon should aslo account for trial. If the willingness to help the Dragons is the criteria, both Morax and Barbatos both have helped their Dragon familiars (Azhdaha being currently the Lord of Geovishaps and Dvalin stated by Apep to be a young dragon himslef), then again it would be unfair.
This whole situation also triggers me for the simple fact that honestly, the current Archons won their Authorities to battle that was imposed on them and mlre than their lives was in play, it was the life of their people, humans, humans were the reason that all of them fought, and it seems that Neuvillette's current undertanding of the worthiness of humans is what brought him to still be the head of Fontaine and to grant Furina a vision, then how does he still consider the Archons as foes even after everything he witnessed ? I just can't make any sense of it.
@@citoyenneteavanttout7273 I think I might be able to answer your questions. I am a CN player so I read the Chinese text. In fact, in the Chinese text and context, Neuvillette does not hold any hatred towards those Archons. The words he said were more out of his position and duty, just like a soldier who had to shoot at the soldiers on the opposite side, but this was not his true intention. So you can see him trying to find various reasons not to fight those Archons, like he needs to stay in Fontaine for another four hundred years, or he needs to see how drunk Venti is first. I don't know how to better describe this difference in feelings. To put it bluntly, in the Chinese text, Neuvillette only said that he wanted to judge Archons out of "hard-talking" or "arrogant" reasons. In fact, those words were not his thoughts at all, he was just showing off.
The greatest similarity between Zhongli and Neuvillette is that both are masters of bureaucracy and will settle their differences through a Yu-Gi-Oh duel, with Cyno as the judge.
You mean current Zhongli. The Rex Lapis from 3000 years ago would have taken out his spear, and his army of adepti in an instant. XD
@@pepita2437 True 🤣🤣🤣
@@pepita2437 He was already the god of contracts back then. One thing doesn't exclude the other.
@@ilucasz I know.
But Rex Lapis was much more inclined to use violence back than.
He's just mellowed out with age. ;P
Hey Kim do you want to make a video on childe?
His vision not working,being connected to the whale thats not from Teyvat,being able to endure Foul legacy at 14, the whole Ajax notes etc
I honestly have no theories for childe at the moment, i'll try to figure out something
Nuevillette almost certainly isn't from the old world due to the original dragon sovereign dying and having it's power stripped to create the authority of hydro. Nuevillette being reincarnated after the fact and without the original power, it confirms that the original sovereign died during the war with the Primordial One and thus was born AFTER the creation of the new world at least and at most was born after the archon war as the stripped power was used to create the gnosis which were awarded after said war
When Zhongli said "dwelt" could be that he wasn't from Teyvat or maybe he was born during the "old world" and continue to dwell in the "new world" for more than 6,000 years?
Or could just be his way of speaking.
I was thinking about Zhongli's geo shield on Azhdaha today.
And Neuvillette's hydro shield in the Fortress of Meropid.
They are similar.
He could be the geo sovereing, an entirely different type of entity like the moon sisters or a descender
Zhongli is the Geo sovereign who made a contract with the Celestia to listen/keep history because after, all long surviving texts are embedded in the stones/rocks
And that explains why Zhongli was avoiding Neuv because Zhongli is feeling guilty that he betrayed his fellow sovereigns in order to make sure everything will be fine then he will retire for good
What about Azdaha?
@@historicflame972 Azhdaha is one of the ancient life form that roams the Earth even before Humans and Celestia's inception, yes he's old but that doesn't mean he's a sovereign.
You might ask " oh what about the title of Azhdaha being lord of vishaps? "
I think it's a title given to him by humans because he was seen roaming around with Zhongli and he's a big vishap that's why, and yes that was lazy but if Zhongli can fool humans into thinking he's dead why can't he fool them into thinking he's not a sovereign ?
Azhdaha in myths means " a dragon/mythical creature " NOT " the dragon/mythical creature "
celestia also couldn't kill sovereign(they are connected to tevyat) as well, they can reincarnate infinitely(only way to kill them is destroy whole tevyat) but that was never their purpose to come here.
Zhongli seems smart unlike neuvilette who is arrogant or prideful about his identity.
So he made the contract but what did he got in return.
My theory: His descendants are alive in liyue unlike other nation who fled away from land or left the tevyat or died but
liyue where most battles took place most gods ruled, vishaps still live there how???
Who was protecting them or controlling them not invade human area.
We all know who watches over whole liyue and answer is clear.
@@Monkey_D_Luffy56
In the new world quest of the Petrichor island , the traveller gave example of Azdaha and Dvalin as dragon sovereigns
rember ending of azhdaha story quest?
*he shut his mouth for khaenri'ah history and sibling whereabouts per contract*
I wonder who would win if they fight 🤔
No one except if we go on element analyzation water can break rock with time and if in high pressure, so the question who can survive till the end zhongli thick shield or water dragon real archon guy water energy capacity till he breaks rock shield
Current Neuvilette negs with awakening.
Currently, it's implied that Neuvillette has the power to rival the 7 but whether this means he's stronger is up to interpretation. Personally, I think Neuvillette wins because currently he's in his prime or getting there and Zhongli isn't, also Zhongli in his prime was equal with Azhdaha who's not as strong as Neuvillette currently.
@@F1ll1nTh3Blanks well zhongli is stronger than azhdaha, azhdaha stated it himself morax could kill him if he wanted to
@@justarandomperson8926 Not this again. Azhdaha was talking about their wills and he didn't say that Zhongli could have killed him, he said, that if he wasn't an eternal being that Zhongli would have killed him. After all this again, Zhongli stated that even at his full strength he couldn't guarantee victory without Azhdaha willing it.
hmm i know i’m joking around but he’s basically a welt
You probably think i stopped watching your videos but i am still watching kim
Thanks for the support!
It's just cuz their story quests focous on something else other than themselves. Zhongli's chapter is "ancient history" and Neuvillette's is "flood."
Then ayato's story quest should be named differently since it didnt even focus on him, same thing for many other characters
If his Adepti dragon form is another vessel, what if that just means he's another former dragon sovereign? Neuvillette attained his full dragon-hood upon the destruction of the hydro archon throne but never turned into one. And considering the feats Zhongli has performed even without his gnosis (saving Xiao and the others, and earning the title of Archon) would it not be a possibility for him to be one of the former dragon sovereigns?
Azhdaha is a better candidate of the geo sovereign in my opinion. He was stated to be a dragon king like 5 times in the lore, aswell as dragon lord and even called the ancestor of vishaps in the chinese translation
It's probably Azhdaha (lord of vishaps, earth dragon), not Zhongli. Also why would Neuvillette judge him if he was one of the 7 dragon sovereigns?
@@kim_genshin But didn't Zhongli sculpt him?
@@rin_yen9390He only gave him eyes.
@@rin_yen9390 nah he only gave him eyes because he was blind. Azhdaha himself stated he's older than teyvat itself and he even knows about the old world
Zhongli has always been the odd one out within the archon circle:
1. His statue is the only one that holds a cube thus far. Everyone else's holds a sphere.
2. He is the only one without a "similar counterpart". Every other archon has a being that was either identical or similar to them, thus representing the duality of nature (Venti+Bard; Makoto+Ei; Rukha+Nahida; Furina+Focalor) (They don't have to be related, but their appearance is always similar).
3. He is the only one who signed a contract directly with the Tzaritza without being pressured, as far as we know.
4. He is the only one with a confirmed and seen other form (Venti has one, but it's his original one, not yet another one)
I truly can't wait until the day Hoyo finally spills the tea on our fine gentleman!
Ad. 1) Inazuma Statue doesn't hold anything.
Ad. 3) Only two Archons are acquainted with her. Unlike Venti, he seems to be on good terms with her.
Ad. 4) We did see Venti's wisp form.
@@kostuchan4418 1. The Inazuman statue holds the orb with both hands in front of her.
3.. I'm saying that ZhongLi willingly made a contract with her, as far as we know.
4. We saw his wisp. We don't know if ZhongLi's original form was that of a dragon or something else BUT he allegedly has more than two.
@@shadowwolfcat13
1. That's Mondstadt's. Inazuma's statue has its hands folded.
3. Venti is at odds with her, the rest didn't even meet her. Not surprising they didn't make a deal.
4. Zhongli has one true appearance. He can freely change it like Venti (and possiby some other Archons).
@@kostuchan4418 1. You keep referencing the statue in the city! I'm talking about the statues of the seven!!! You can easily look it up in a browser if you can't open your game!
3. My point stands.
4. Again. I keep saying that Zhongli has a CONFIRMED other appearance that is not his original one.
@@shadowwolfcat13
1. I am reffering to Statue of the Seven in Inazuma. It does not hold anything.
3. I wasn't refuting your point. I pointed out it's a terrible argument. "Venti is an odd one, because he's the only one at odds with Tsaritsa" is also a valid point.
4. So is Venti's bard appearance.
nahh they both gentleman thats why