'USS Robin' - HMS Victorious in American Service

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  • @meanstavrakas1044
    @meanstavrakas1044 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

    Channels like this is one of the BEST things about TH-cam. I really enjoy watching & learning about the history of the Second World War. Thank you for posting!

  • @seldonplanB-24
    @seldonplanB-24 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +31

    I always thought the PB4Ys were all single-stabilizer...so I googled it after watching this video and sure enough, Consolidated made both single and twin stabilizer variants of that model. As they say, you learn something new every day! My grandad was the nose gunner on a B-24J

    • @Easy-Eight
      @Easy-Eight 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      The first models of the PB4Ys were just repainted B-24s. The later PB4Ys had a single stabilizer and the high level equipment removed, they were optimized for maritime patrol.

    • @calvinnickel9995
      @calvinnickel9995 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      PB4Y is just the US Navy designation for the B-24 and derivatives. They never had a B-24.. just like they never had a T-6 (SNJ) or a C-47 (R4D).

  • @Perfusionist01
    @Perfusionist01 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +37

    Some sources state that the USN learned quite a lot from Victorious fighter direction set-up. Fighter direction was poor at Coral Sea and Midway and mixed in the Solomons. New procedures changed that to here the USN Combat Air Patrols became a major killing machine - the biggest example being the Battle of the Philippine Sea.

    • @johnhallett5846
      @johnhallett5846 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Maybe; but just how often were British carriers facing the large aerial attacks that happened in the Pacific?

    • @michaelinsc9724
      @michaelinsc9724 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

      ​@johnhallett5846 He is correct. The USN did in fact have much to learn regarding fighter direction. Our methods were far behind those of the Japanese and British. This loaning of HMS Victorious was invaluable in that regard.

    • @johnhallett5846
      @johnhallett5846 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@michaelinsc9724 I would like some sources for that claim.

    • @marcharkness6101
      @marcharkness6101 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      @@johnhallett5846 The British learned their fighter direction lessons in the Mediterranean.

    • @johnhallett5846
      @johnhallett5846 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@marcharkness6101 Reasonable; but did they ever have to handle a couple hundred enemy planes at one time?

  • @georgettewolf6743
    @georgettewolf6743 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    Starting in 1943 and continuing to the present day, USN-RN cross deck operations have always been a mainstay. Most recently, when the RN was working up F-35Bs, they were joined for a multi-month cruise to the Pacific by a unit of USMC F-35Bs. The latter filled in the gaps of Lightning II numbers when there weren’t a lot of them to go around. And yes, the Marines used the famous up angled front ramp just like their British counterparts.

    • @g8ymw
      @g8ymw 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Us Brits know them as "Ski-jumps"
      I think it is a British idea

    • @katherineberger6329
      @katherineberger6329 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@g8ymw Whereas those of us who hang around on r/noncredibledefense know them as "cope slopes." ;)
      It was a British idea (as was the steam catapult). Unfortunately, before WW2, Britain was still convinced that the future of their navy was in the line of battle and after it, they didn't have the manpower or the ships to build a convincing carrier fleet and the US did.

    • @robertpatrick3350
      @robertpatrick3350 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@katherineberger6329different Navy to fight a different War, looking with a Pacific centric view is a common flaw of US analysis

    • @kirishima638
      @kirishima638 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Brothers in arms

    • @squirepraggerstope3591
      @squirepraggerstope3591 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@g8ymw Yep, iirc a 'Ski Jump' was first fitted to the lead ship of her class, HMS Invincible while she was still fitting out alongside in Buccleuch Dock in my home town, Barrow-in-Furness. Which dates it to c1979 or 1980. I recall it being there when an open day was held on the ship and it was already becoming known as a "ski jump" even then. It was initially a more modest 7 degree ramp than the 12 degree ones that later became standard.

  • @superancientmariner1394
    @superancientmariner1394 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    USS Robin, as stated, was her officialy assigned radio call sign. And the issues were well covered by this except for one small fact..... Under the impression that the US only had one carrier at sea, hearing about another carrier, the USS Robin, was quite a shock. the US knew who she was, the Brits knew who she was, but the Japanese though she was a US carrier.

    • @Cailus3542
      @Cailus3542 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Honestly, I somewhat doubt that the Japanese thought that the Americans had made a new carrier appear out of thin air. The smarter IJN officers probably figured out that it was a British carrier, or less likely, one of the Essex-class. It didn't matter in the end, fortunately, since the Japanese were still recovering from the meat grinder of Guadacanal and were in no shape to do anything.

  • @marcharkness6101
    @marcharkness6101 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +20

    Saratoga: "If you're 'Robin', Than I get to be BATMAN!"

    • @spaceskipster4412
      @spaceskipster4412 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      🦇 😂

    • @daniellastuart3145
      @daniellastuart3145 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Ne becaus ewe Robin Hood and you can be Maid Marian

  • @andrewtaylor940
    @andrewtaylor940 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +20

    Excellent piece. Although you missed one of the main driving forces behind the British decision to loan Victorious. She was going to be out of Service anyway. She was being sent to the US for a major refit that among other things would allow her to operate the newer heavier aircraft, like the Avenger. So she would be out of service for months. By loaning the carrier the Royal Navy got the US Navy to pay for the full refit. The US Navy prioritized the refit as a critical ship. Thus halving the expected time out of service. So the Royal Navy got a bargain. The time the US Navy was operating it was basically the same time the Royal Navy had expected it to be out of service anyway. Plus they got two ice cream machines for free!
    The flight deck and island extensions weren’t specific US modifications. They were always going to happen as part of the refit. The main US specific modifications were the US com gear and radar. And the Ice Cream machines!

    • @TheArgieH
      @TheArgieH 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      As dairy products were strictly rationed the ice cream machines would not have been much use for long.

    • @TheArgieH
      @TheArgieH 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Worth remembering that HMS Victorious fought through to Malta more than once, protecting relief convoys. She operated Seafires amongst other aircraft. So she would have had a bit of practice from flying interceptions in the face of the Luftwaffe and Regia Aeronautica.

    • @andrewtaylor940
      @andrewtaylor940 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@TheArgieH When the ship was returned a RN Admiral took one look at the Ice Cream makers and declared that that was far too luxurious for Royal Navy sailors and ordered them removed. Then 2 years later Victorious returned to the Pacific. Where the Royal Navy learned first hand the part Ice Cream played in the rescue of downed pilots. And how incredibly effective the program of giving each destroyer and sub a few gallons of Ice Cream for every flyer recovered was. The machines got put back.

    • @TheArgieH
      @TheArgieH 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @andrewtaylor940 But what did they use in them? I do not think folk remember just how strict rationing had become after several years of war and deprivation.
      When Churchill travelled on HMS PoW to meet Roosevelt for the Placentia Bay conference, he took a hand picked group of writers with him to report and record. These civilians were allowed ashore (with Navy minders) to stretch their legs. After years of rationing they pigged out on butter and crackers. Sadly they were recalled to PoW before their longed for steaks arrived (war is hell). Roosevelt brought a personal gift for each British sailor. This was a package with about 250g of cheese, a piece of fruit and 200 cigarettes. Non smokers got chocolate. These were very well received, illustrating how much wartime shortages were biting.

    • @TheArgieH
      @TheArgieH 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @andrewtaylor940 Fits the Old Salt maxim: "If it was good enough for Nelson, it is good enough for you son!" As I said elsewhere there were also practical reasons.
      I wonder if the RAF stripped the lavatories and soft loo paper out of their B1 Washingtons. I bet the coffee machines went.

  • @kidmohair8151
    @kidmohair8151 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    the USN also learned, during Victorious' stint in the Pacific,
    all they could about RN night carrier operations.
    this would stand them in good stead later.

  • @carrickrichards2457
    @carrickrichards2457 22 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Avengers had a great ASW record with its sonar buoys and acoustic torpedo. They also sank Musashi and Yamato. It even had an ECM role.

  • @Yandarval
    @Yandarval 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    After Saratoga copied British fighter director doctrine. It spread throughout the USN, once the extra RADARs were fitted to the USN carriers.

    • @1chish
      @1chish 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      They would be the short band radars invented by the British using the Cavity Magnetron and donated FOC to the USA in the Tizard Missions in 1940.

  • @skippythewonderlemur
    @skippythewonderlemur 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Excellent video. Excellent topic. Thank you for making it. I learned something.

  • @brianjones5379
    @brianjones5379 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Great content, I had never heard of this episode.

  • @hazchemel
    @hazchemel 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    Excellent, thank you. Disagree that gaining knowledge was a motivation to send a RN fleet carrier for the USN. It is an effect of the loan, and of course they would be aware of potential benefits, but not a motivation.

    • @Cailus3542
      @Cailus3542 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Yup. It was mostly a case of "oh dear God, we've lost most of our carriers in just a year, we need help." Fortunately, though technically having the advantage, the Japanese were just as bloodied. Probably so.

    • @nickdanger3802
      @nickdanger3802 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Cailus3542 WE lost Lexington at Coral Sea preventing Japan from landing on New Guinea to out flank the Aussies whilst Wasp launched Spits to Malta for the second time in two months.

  • @markballard2442
    @markballard2442 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Another good read of Sara's wartime history is the booklet called "Sara - The Story of USS Saratoga" . I think this was a US Navy publication and fully details most of the ranking officers and the activities during WW2. It can be found in PDF form if you search.
    Sara also called at Hobart Tasmania for R&R at one point and many years later Pop moved to Tasmania to be with us.

  • @BrockRuby
    @BrockRuby 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Great subject!! Don't think I heard of this in such detail. Love it!!

  • @johnhallett5846
    @johnhallett5846 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +28

    Love that line "Typical american welcome: lots of guns."

    • @samuelmartin865
      @samuelmartin865 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      And don’t forget the ice cream!

    • @richardm3023
      @richardm3023 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      "Ya know I think we can squeeze a few more in if you want..."

    • @gryph01
      @gryph01 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yes. Like the old joke of Naval Architects asking, "How many lines do you want?"
      USN: "Yes:

    • @katherineberger6329
      @katherineberger6329 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Japanese air attack was no joke, and we didn't have the capacity for a 24/7 CAP until late in the war when the Fast Carrier Task Force was finally assembled.

    • @johnhallett5846
      @johnhallett5846 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@katherineberger6329 Did not need 24/7 as the Japanese rarely tried much at night. Also after 1942, there practically speaking was no IJN carrier capability anymore; they spend all of 43 and most of 44 trying to rebuild it then lost is all at Philippine Sea.
      Striking land based air was hit and run; and thus not the same thing.

  • @markballard2442
    @markballard2442 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    My father joined CV3 Saratoga following his enlistment on 31st December 1941 in Los Angeles. He served the entire war on her and once recalled how he was assigned to a British carrier for some months. I am not sure whether it was on Victorious or later on Illustrious, but was somewhere near the India ocean.
    He recalled that it was a real downgrade from Sara in that the food was terrible and the British ship was not airconditioned.

    • @edpzz
      @edpzz 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Yes bad food But he got a Rum Ration 😉😊

    • @katherineberger6329
      @katherineberger6329 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@edpzz You're not getting the balance of your daily calories from rum.

    • @markmaher4548
      @markmaher4548 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@katherineberger6329If you're getting a full tot of proper RN rum? You won't care about vitamins.

    • @matthewkeith8605
      @matthewkeith8605 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@markmaher4548 Damn right! Being drunk and toothless is the British way.

  • @Subsidiarity3
    @Subsidiarity3 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Really interesting story I have never heard about yet. Thanks.

  • @crazylegz324
    @crazylegz324 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    The British loan us a desperately needed aircraft carrier and we return it fully refitted and with a full tank of fuel. Pretty much sums up the British/American relationship. As close to family as nations can be.

  • @R_McGeddon117
    @R_McGeddon117 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    British carriers flight decks were armor plated while American carriers had wooden ones which proved disastrous when attacked by dive bombers

    • @nickdanger3802
      @nickdanger3802 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      armored deck did not save Akagi

  • @spaceskipster4412
    @spaceskipster4412 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Life had come full circle then. There are joint British and American planes and pilots on the new Royal Navy Aircraft Carriers too. 🇬🇧⚓️🇺🇸

  • @flywheel986
    @flywheel986 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Thanks for bringing a world war two operation to my attention that I was never aware of. Appreciate the knowledge!

  • @Peorhum
    @Peorhum 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Yeah, she was never actually renamed Robin, it was just her call sign to cause confusion to the enemy.

  • @Redhand1949
    @Redhand1949 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Very interesting, and love the photos!

  • @vincentcondron588
    @vincentcondron588 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Great video 📷📸 but will you be doing a part 2 with the USS Saratoga & HMS victorious serving together

  • @Backwardlooking
    @Backwardlooking 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Very interesting as regards the otherwise unavailable information. There is a colour video on TH-cam of the Victorius and Saratoga’s crews saluting one another.

  • @fabianzimmermann5495
    @fabianzimmermann5495 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    It speaks volums to the sizes of both the US and the Royal Navy and the industrial capacities of both countries, that they were able to loan each other their most valuable warships for a few months if necessary.

  • @neilwilson5785
    @neilwilson5785 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I really enjoyed this one. Thanks!

  • @dhjoe2966
    @dhjoe2966 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Very detailed. Helped my fix for information on Uss Robin

  • @ph89787
    @ph89787 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +31

    Saratoga: Hey, everyone. I’d like to introduce the newest US Navy Carrier, USS Robin.
    “Robin:” Howdy my fellow carriers.
    Enterprise (not buying it for a second): Drop the act Victorious I know that’s you.

    • @stmcde1701
      @stmcde1701 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

      "How do you do fellow Colonials"

    • @barrybolton1396
      @barrybolton1396 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Lol...good one!​@stmcde1701

  • @thomassalois3508
    @thomassalois3508 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Many people don't know this but the the US Navy would reciprocate later on in the war on the Saratoga operated with the British fleet in the Indian Ocean to attack targets in The Dutch East Indies

  • @roverM30ds
    @roverM30ds 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Eye opener for the modern yanks, thanks for sharing

    • @nickdanger3802
      @nickdanger3802 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      38 escort carriers Lend Leased to Britain, 36 returned.

  • @shathriel
    @shathriel 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Later in the war Saratoga would join up with Illustrious when she ventured east of Suez.

  • @johnmarkey4862
    @johnmarkey4862 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Well made

  • @legiran9564
    @legiran9564 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Can you also do a video where USS Saratoga temporarily swapped Icecream for Tea?

  • @DaveAinsworth-y8h
    @DaveAinsworth-y8h 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Both the US Navy Aircarrians and Japanese aircarrians was with armoured, but the RN aircarrians was armoured and not destroy by kamikaze attacks.

  • @1chish
    @1chish 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    That request to the British must have stuck in Admiral King's craw in 1942. Remember he was fiercely anti-British and that attitude cost thousands of lives and tens of thousands of tons of allied shipping right off the coast of the USA when the U Boats enjoyed their 'Happy Time'. All because King refused to take advice from the very skilled RN on convoy tactics, escort strategies, advanced sonar and radar or to use British Intelligence coming from Bletchley Park spies. The British had to send converted U Boat tracking trawlers across the Atlantic to operate off the Eastern Seaboard. Some were lost and to this day there are British graves and even a british cemetery on US soil.
    The man was a liability and 'word was' (luckily) Nimitz valued the British experience and way of doing sea warfare and made sure King acted accordingly.

    • @Cailus3542
      @Cailus3542 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      King was an exceptional officer otherwise. It's a shame that he's best known for his anglophobia and related problems.

    • @1chish
      @1chish 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@Cailus3542 I would have thought to put your country, its merchant shipping, the merchant shipping of your country's biggest customer (and new ally) and all the military equipment at risk because of personal vendetta surely precludes the word 'exceptional' being applied in any positive way?
      To the British he was an exceptional liability and cost the lives of hundreds of British civilian and Royal Navy sailors and lost millions of dollars worth of key equipment in the Atlantic.

    • @accomuk
      @accomuk 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Cailus3542 I believe his dislike of the British and the RN particularly dated back to WW1 when he arrived in England and he felt he was not given the attention, respect and admiration he felt he deserved. The British I suspect just felt he was a typical loud mouthed Yank who thought he was a cowboy.

    • @dovetonsturdee7033
      @dovetonsturdee7033 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @@Cailus3542 Saying that old Ernie was an 'exceptional officer' is on a par with saying 'But apart from that Mrs. Lincoln, did you enjoy the play?'

    • @nickdanger3802
      @nickdanger3802 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@1chish Second Happy Time
      if you think you can make a case for the USN preforming worse in 1942 than the RN did in 1917, please do so.

  • @MilesStratton
    @MilesStratton 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Very cool video, quite enjoyed it.

  • @BobSmith-dk8nw
    @BobSmith-dk8nw 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    The only three nations to have serious Carrier Forces in WWII - were the Americans, British and Japanese. For the Americans and British - who both knew what they were doing - to be able to work together and see each others procedures was invaluable. To this day - there are exchange programs between such as NATO Powers of personnel that allow for shared information and procedures.
    .

  • @josephhungerford8348
    @josephhungerford8348 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Very interesting topic plus never heard of this ship before 😀.

  • @maxsothcott4484
    @maxsothcott4484 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Did HMS Victorious become a ‘dry’ ship for the duration of the USN association and if so, how did the RN ship staff take to this sacrilegious removal of their daily ‘tot’???

    • @riverraven7359
      @riverraven7359 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      Well they got rum from the Australians so I guess not

    • @redtobertshateshandles
      @redtobertshateshandles 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      The typically English way.
      Complaining, a lot. 😂

    • @Easy-Eight
      @Easy-Eight 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      As the story goes the USN gave the RN ice cream machines. Ice Cream, being rare in wartime Great Britain, was seen as a rare treat. Also, the US made it a point of giving Victorious the best rations. The British sailors were very surprised to be given steaks and prime rib. Honestly, it was not that the US Navy didn't like Victorious but they were loathe on putting the ship at risk. While Ranger was deemed too slow and unprotected for the Pacific she did double duty and covered Victorious' absence. Ranger did many raids against German shipping off Norway.

    • @Von_Baron
      @Von_Baron 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      My Grandfather served on Victorious in the Pacific. They had their daily rum ration. Not sure about the USN personnel on their though. There would have been real problems if they cut the daily tot.

    • @Easy-Eight
      @Easy-Eight 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Von_Baron everything I've read was the British enjoyed their service with the USN in mid-'43. The USN went out of their way to give the Royal Navy good rations, gave them good uniforms, and treated them great.

  • @barryheath8123
    @barryheath8123 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I never knew this at all.

  • @Derek-je6vg
    @Derek-je6vg 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Good video!

  • @dinger40
    @dinger40 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    And don't forget the ice cream machines that were fitted at one point. Foster Father was on there.

  • @MartinCHorowitz
    @MartinCHorowitz 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    A pity they didn't pair the ship with the USS Batman....

  • @BuzbyWuzby
    @BuzbyWuzby 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    Yanks: Howdy Vicky welcome to the Pacific!
    Limeys: It's Victorious, not Vicky. And we should be welcoming you to the Pacific as the Royal Navy was here before your country even existed!

    • @nickdanger3802
      @nickdanger3802 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      RN really kicked ass in the First Opium War so British merchants could sell drugs in China.

  • @julesmarwell8023
    @julesmarwell8023 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    so glad Australian RUM helped to keep the fighting Anglo SPIRITS UP. AM sure she helped to keep Australian shores safe. God bless America

    • @markmaher4548
      @markmaher4548 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      RN rum was made in four places, Jamaica, Trinidad & Barbados & lastly Guyana right up untill HM Gov (the utter barstewards) saw fit to withdraw the "tot" in 1970.

  • @Yandarval
    @Yandarval 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    It does say volumes about have terrible Ranger was. When the noted Anglophobe, Admiral King awallowed some pride and asked for help. Just a funny look, and Ranger would have sank in flames. Had it gone to the Pacific.

    • @nickdanger3802
      @nickdanger3802 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      The British Prime Minister Winston Churchill, fearing that Malta would be "pounded to bits", asked President Roosevelt to allow USS Wasp to have "another good sting." and Wasp loaded another contingent of Spitfire Vs at King George V Dock Glasgow and sailed for the Mediterranean on 3 May in Operation Bowery. On this occasion, the group included the British carrier HMS Eagle with her own load of Spitfires.

    • @Yandarval
      @Yandarval 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@nickdanger3802 Indeed Wasp did. She helped deliver a load of Spitfires to Malta, as shehad been in British waters when asked. Not enough british carriers to go around, what with early war losses. Then add how stretched the RN was does to having to cove the Med and other eareas. (France was supposed to have covered the Med, in pre war planning).

    • @nickdanger3802
      @nickdanger3802 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Yandarval Operation Bowery early May 1942. Battle of the Coral Sea 4 to 8 May 1942.
      Arctic convoy PQ15 One USN battleship, two heavy cruisers and five destroyers April 1942.

  • @edl617
    @edl617 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Steel deck

    • @nickdanger3802
      @nickdanger3802 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Armoured deck did not help Akagi.

  • @SoloRenegade
    @SoloRenegade 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    modern UK carriers are manned with US personnel and escorted by US destroyers......you could argue the UK carriers are also partially in US service.

    • @1chish
      @1chish 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Not quite true without perspective. The only time US personnel serve on UK carriers (or ships come to that) is when its a joint exercise or operation like when a squadron of USMC F-35B aircraft were assigned to HMS Queen Elizabeth for her round the world operation. Individual pilots are swopped but on a one for one basis.

    • @SoloRenegade
      @SoloRenegade 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@1chish don't forget the US destroyers assigned to the UK carrier escort fleet. they didn't have enough of their own ships to support a world tour.

    • @1chish
      @1chish 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@SoloRenegade Sorry Dufus but there was ONE US destroyer assigned to CSG21. Why? Because it was a joint exercise. D'UH!
      But here is the bit you missed. There were also:
      2 x RN air defence destroyers
      2 x RN ASW frigates
      2 x Astute attack subs
      2 x RFA supply ships for the whole fleet.
      Oh yes and the Dutch asked to send a frigate as they train with the Royal Navy.
      FunFact: The Royal Navy regularly sends destroyers, frigates and supply ships when US groups are in Europe. And right now an RN air defence destroyer is protecting US Navy ships in the Red Sea.
      You're welcome.
      Not sure where you are getting your stupidity from but try reading proper books.

    • @SoloRenegade
      @SoloRenegade 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@1chish "And right now an RN air defence destroyer is protecting US Navy ships in the Red Sea."
      that's not the same as putting US fighters aboard a UK carrier and sending a US destroyer as part of the fleet on a worldwide tour.
      assisting the US in operations in teh Red Sea is not the same.
      Everyone knows the UK is having troubles staffing and funding its military these days. Many articles and videos have recently been written calling into question the UK's ability to even defend itself right now if necessary. Best to have strong allies, but the first step in fixing a problem is admitting there is a problem.

    • @1chish
      @1chish 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@SoloRenegade Last point first: I never suggested we do not have problems. But thanks for the deflection and misrepresentation.
      Neither did I suggest there was a corollary to the RN having a destroyer in the Red Sea with a US destroyer in the CSG. It was to point out that both navies operate with each other.
      But again thanks for the misrepresentation.
      My whole point was to correct your exaggerated statements. Plural. And you are still at it. Yes we had US fighters on the QE for CSG21. The reasons:
      1. The Biden Administration has deliberately slowed deliveries to the UK of the 48 F-35s we ordered and funded over 8 years ago. 3 years after CSG21 we still have only had some 36 delivered.
      2. The USMC requested to be on CSG21 to work up their own change of squadron setup
      3. The USMC needed to work up operating rules for when their staff and aircraft are working off a UK carrier. Important things like drinking beer!
      4. They wanted to evaluate how effective the ramp and UK operating procedures were.
      I could be sarcastic and suggest they also wanted to see a fully automatic weapon storage and delivery system actually working as theirs on the USS Ford didn't. But I won't. 😂😂
      As for us defending ourselves? Well many have thought we couldn't and since 1066 every one has failed. Whereas the last time the USA was invaded was in 1812 by us Brits. Or maybe in exercises when us crafty old Brits had Vulcan bombers deny NORAD and bomb the East Coast. 2 years running.
      So take your fabrications and Bs you useless Septic and place them in a sunless environment.
      Per Ardua Ad Astra.

  • @issacfoster1113
    @issacfoster1113 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Victorious looks Puny compared to Saratoga

    • @Mrhalligan39
      @Mrhalligan39 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Victorious was about 10,000 tons displacement smaller than Saratoga. Sara and Lex were huge compared to the later purpose built carriers. As battlecruisers, they would have been comparable in size to Hood.

  • @Lord.Kiltridge
    @Lord.Kiltridge 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Thank you for not calling Britain 'England'.

  • @aoife1122
    @aoife1122 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Where there is a wil... ;)

  • @josephpadula2283
    @josephpadula2283 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Funny now us planes can only land in the French carrier .

    • @1chish
      @1chish 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Funny how you never got the email that USMC F-35s were operating off HMS Queen Elizabeth for a round the world cruise in 2021

    • @josephpadula2283
      @josephpadula2283 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@1chish
      Non vstol us navy planes with tail hook landing systems can only land on US or the compatible French carrier .
      Harriers and other similar planes like the f-35 vtol model could always land anywhere

    • @1chish
      @1chish 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@josephpadula2283 So what is so special about "planes with tail hook landing systems"?
      Given we invented those systems in the '50s and most every other carrier system we have moved on. Its the 21st century ...
      The French carrier is 45,000 tons. The UK QE Class are 70,000 tons. The French have 38 old Rafale Ms where the QEs can ship 60+ aircraft. they can also launch first sorties quicker than either a Nimitz or the De Gaulle.
      RN F-35s can launch with 22,000 Ib loads. US Navy F-35Cs can only launch with 18,000 Ibs (Lockheed Martin website).

    • @TheArgieH
      @TheArgieH 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @josephpadula2283 They land IN the French Carrier, have they brought.the hangar flight deck back then? That's daring!

    • @1chish
      @1chish 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@TheArgieH 😂👍

  • @kenjackson5685
    @kenjackson5685 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    1st class

  • @andymcgeechan8318
    @andymcgeechan8318 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    And that's how they introduced mashed potato to us British !

    • @iainmcneil969
      @iainmcneil969 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      At least the dried reconstituted sort. I love they had to send a chef over in the observers seat to show the RN what to do with it!

    • @markmaher4548
      @markmaher4548 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@iainmcneil969Yeah, because prior to that, we just boiled some spuds & mashed them.

  • @JJbm4233
    @JJbm4233 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great topic to make a video on, as a suggestion, I would suggest maybe the British Pacific fleet as another video

  • @mnblkjh6757
    @mnblkjh6757 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    🇬🇧🇺🇸👍🙂

  • @richardm3023
    @richardm3023 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Welcome to the USA...here's your guns.

    • @jonathanbair523
      @jonathanbair523 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      You forgot the ice cream!!! "Welcome to the USN, here is some extra guns and Ice Cream."

  • @copferthat
    @copferthat 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Request from Admiral King? What a hypocrite, he hated the British for some reason. When I moved into the house I'm in now, 40 years ago, my neighbour had served on the Victorious throughout WW2, including in the Pacific and so I got to learn a lot about the ol' girl.

    • @nickdanger3802
      @nickdanger3802 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      British Prime Minister Winston Churchill, fearing that Malta would be "pounded to bits", asked President Roosevelt to allow USS Wasp to have "another good sting." and Wasp loaded another contingent of Spitfire Vs at King George V Dock Glasgow and sailed for the Mediterranean on 3 May in Operation Bowery. On this occasion, the group included the British carrier HMS Eagle with her own load of Spitfires.
      The two carriers reached their launching points early on Saturday, 9 May - Wasp steaming in column ahead of Eagle at a distance of 1,000 yards (910 m). At 06:30, Wasp launched 11 Wildcats of VF-71 to serve as CAP over the task force. First, Eagle flew off her 17 Spitfires in two waves; then Wasp flew off 47 more.

  • @RalphReagan
    @RalphReagan 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Better late than never, the Brits coming to the Pacific.

    • @Cailus3542
      @Cailus3542 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      They were there at the very beginning. However, the sinking of Force Z and the British failure to counter the Indian Ocean raid forced the British out of the theatre, as did the loss of Singapore. The disaster at Java Sea was the final nail in the coffin.

    • @paulfisher8753
      @paulfisher8753 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      That was said about the USA in 1917 and 1941. Better late than never..

    • @dovetonsturdee7033
      @dovetonsturdee7033 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Having, of course, taken on the commitment of fighting, and winning, Allied naval campaigns in the Atlantic, the Arctic, and the Mediterranean, thus enabling the US Navy to concentrate almost entirely in the Pacific.
      The relevant word here being 'Allied.'

    • @nickdanger3802
      @nickdanger3802 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@paulfisher8753 please direct me to the agreements that required the USA to join in every time Britain declared war on Germany.

    • @nickdanger3802
      @nickdanger3802 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@dovetonsturdee7033 1941 October USS Reuben James, launched 1919, sunk near Iceland whilst escorting a British convoy.
      1942 April Arctic Convoy PQ15 One USN battleship, 2 heavy cruisers and 5 destroyers.
      1942 May USS Wasp launched Spits to Malta for the second time in 2 months concurrent with Coral Sea.

  • @Backwardlooking
    @Backwardlooking 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Of course the Americans didn’t want a British Pacific Fleet. Admiral King is known to have been an Anglophobe. Nor for that matter a French presence as with the French battleship Richelieu. That was due to their anti colonial attitude.

    • @Cailus3542
      @Cailus3542 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Even when the BPF arrived, the US Navy made a point of giving them "minor" missions. The Americans, perhaps understandably, wanted all the glory. Ironically, the last duel between big gun warships very nearly involved neither the Americans or the British. It would have been very odd if Richelieu had caught Haguro instead of the British destroyers.