How to resurrect Man Utd, why so Spurssy, ‘lucky’ Wenger and Pogba returns | Three Up Front
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- Should Manchester United copy Arsenal, Liverpool and Manchester City to get back to the top? Why are Tottenham so flimsy? Would you take Paul Pogba at your club now and was Arsene Wenger a lucky manager?
Those are the topics on this week’s Three Up Front with Simon Jordan, Graeme Souness and Troy Deeney.
With United’s executives meeting this week and possibly deciding on Erik Ten Hag’s future, Simon gives his insight on what might be going through their minds while Graeme wonders if there’s enough football knowledge at the club.
Tottenham’s latest capitulation leads them to ask why that has been the case for so long and Troy reveals whether players think they are a soft touch. Also, would James Maddison get into any of the top three and does Ange Postecoglu need to liven up a bit in his post match interviews?
Graeme gets an opportunity to discuss one of his favourite subjects - Paul Pogba - as the they debate whether they would sign him after his doping ban was reduced. Also in Graeme’s line of fire is, of all people, Arsene Wenger: was he a great manager or just very lucky?
And with top players complaining about the increasing number of matches they’re being asked to play, Troy explains why he would vote not to strike.
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Wenger changed the whole culture of football. Souness needs to take his meds ASAP
What a load of shit. Im a United fan and i understand how class Wenger was. To call that luck is a joke.
Klopp won one title and one CL and he is a legend and Wenger was lucky. Clowns.
Klopp was lucky to win one title. Covert 19 was his lucky break.
@@weeds56yep, being 20+ points ahead when lockdown happened had nothing to do with it
@@jaiswan2957 city had better underlying metrics all season and laporte got injured. 100% a fluke and thats why you haven't won any since and let a bunch of kids in arsenal usurp you in the league
@@seanwaithaka1081 it happened 4 years ago man you can stop crying
United fan here - How can Souness call Wenger lucky?!?! In his prime he was superb!
it's called jealousy
@@LukasMatejka-du5hb comes across as bitter
@@LukasMatejka-du5hb He is a simpleton thinking he has an inherent knowledge gift because he laced up his boots longer than Wenger, Klopp, Mourinho who all lived and died for football but didn't have the genetic pre-disposition to play professionally.
;mao, he said he was lucky to inherit the best french players of the time, he didnt say he ws crap you melts
@@PazLeBon he didn’t inherit the best French players. He used his knowledge of French talent to his advantage and brought them to England when at a time the likes of Souness were using their great knowledge to recruit “George Weah’s cousin” Ali Dia 😂 so you unplug your tongue from Graeme’s backside
Top 3 Premier league managers in this order:
1. Sir Alex
2. Wenger
3. Jose
Not an arsenal fan by a long stretch, but why do bitter people like graeme always say he only won because he had unherited a great back 5....none of those were starters the year they went unbeaten. Talking absolute nonsense to say he was lucky. Oh and bergkamp most definitely wasnt 22 and had flopped until wenger came in
I’m Tottenham and despise that club, but facts are facts and you’re right. What’s also true is Lee Dixon and Nigel Winterburn were fairly average fullbacks by any real metric who had already started to deteriorate considerably. I’d seen Ruel Fox of all people absolutely terrorise Winterburn in 95 before Wenger came in
He squeezed every last drop of performance out of them …
@@nickm8874 respect for that. Most people would put the rivalry first and not give flowers where they're due. Class mate 👍
Calling winterburn and dixon average footballers tells me why england in general and spurs specifically don't understand that football is a TEAM EFFORT NOT AN ASSEMBLAGE OF GOOD FOOTBALLERS. I think Gareth Southgate understands it but had no balls to try something special in some games with some of his players.@@nickm8874
@@nickm8874 GG squeezed everything out of the back five plus 2 more center backs and 2 defensive midfielders.
Actually he did 15 years earlier what Mourinho was and is still given credit for.
He did inherit a good team but he changed it from Jose footbsll to what we now expect arsenal to play like, as a united fan it actually annoys me when people go on about pep and the way he play balls and changed this and that , purely football wengers arsenal was the best footballing team to play in the league much better to watch than any pep city team
To call Wenger lucky, is to not reflect on what he did for Arsenal. Admittedly, was able to leverage the French market when clubs didn’t have the data and foreign scouting network of today. That Arsenal team (Henry, Bergkamp, Pires etc.) played the best football I’ve seen in the Premier League. The title haul reflects the fact his unbelievable transfer dealings and profits on players paid for the Emirates. He built infrastructure that will serve the club for the next century and sacrificed his legacy for that club.
Don’t Listen to these idiots who have never done anything good in terms of legacy in the game
How did they get 3 idiots in one room
Henry, Bergkamp, Pires etc that was his point, golden generation of french players
@@PazLeBon lets not forget that the Invincibles didn't have many French players.
@@PazLeBon yeah, the famous french baller Bergkamp
Simon swearing to appear “edgy”. Thinks he’s in a Guy Richie mockney gangster film 😂
So Wenger was lucky, so was Morinho. He inherited Lampard and Terry. Pep inherited Sterling, Aguero, de Bruyne in his first league wining season. Pep inherited Xavi and Iniesta, and Messi, in his classic Barca side. All made their debuts and established themselves before he became manager. So is Pep overhyped? same logic. Wenger achieved more as a manager than Souness. Souness was OK, he won cups in England and Turkey and the Scottish league lol.
Lol you can say that about all the top clubs
Mourinho had a bottomless pit of money. Pep had the greatest player of all time at barca with a golden genaration. Walked the farmers league in germany with bayern and been cheating at city 😂😂😂 people need to stop licking his arse so much the mans career has been laden with gold everywhere hes gone. Every team he managed was either great or very good before him. Wenger got a solid defence with leaders and a bunch of pissheads. He took arsenal to a whole new level without being funded by some arab sugar daddy. Souness is a POS who hates arsenal deeney the hideous c■NT hates arsenal and simon just loves the sound of his voice more than his own mother
I don’t remember when Arsenal were winning doubles and Graeme was a pundit with his big tash saying “wenger’s lucky”. Talks so much 💩
Sourness - Arsenal and Wenger were lucky but when asked about his Liverpool, they are the best ever........
Delusional hater
3 dinosaurs with inflated egos who think they have interesting things to say one failed owner one failed manager and an average player, what an amazing source of information
Funny you should say that because Jordan is looking more and more like a pterodactyl.
Wenger had to work his way to the top as manager because he didn't have a decent playing career. Souness kept getting jobs because of his playing career, not his management career. He's the lucky one. Had all the help to be a great manager, yet couldn't do it.
Did Wenger inherit Viera, Petit , Amelia, Toure,, Henry, Bergkamp or did he buy them when they were unknown or struggling in another country . What an idiot
Lol Souness has guts to say trash like that… my guy who was clowned by Ali Dia through telephone😂😂😂 Souness you were lucky to be a manager 😂
😂 😂
Good to see Simon wearing matching face and jacket.
Souness.. please don’t be so silly. Wenger revolutionised Arsenal football club.
His very obviously envious of a man who didn't play high level football but I'm was 100x better manager than a man who played the game
@@moonwalker1079 It's getting beyond my imagination. It's been 12 hours since I read that title and I still can't believe that a man, blessed by health and awareness, seriously said that Arsene Wenger wasn't a football man, and that he was just lucky. He must be kidding 🤯
Souness ruined this episode. Constantly interrupting with below par comments
It’s an awful podcast in general isn’t it. Let’s be real. No idea why I’m watching
@@nickm8874 Just three thumbs down including my own
Wenger was "lucky"?? Goodness gracious Graeme. Are you losing it? Geez!
Liverpool winning 1 title in 35 years seems more "lucky"
99 points to win the league against Pep’s City isn’t luck.
@@ridethelightning7979 1 title in 35 years during Covid. Fluke
The Invincibles only had 3 standout French players in Henry, Pires and Viera. The rest were players from around the world that Wenger built! Wenger rubbed many of these outdated stale English managers the wrong way when he came to the premier league lol
Podcasts this good are the death of television. Villa fan here and Troy is getting better at this every week. Souness was a player i loved although i couldn't stand Liverpool, he was a true and complete midfielder as you could wish for, and nails too. Mr Jordan, you say things many normal and real football fans like to hear, common sense making a comeback, a great watch all, thank you.
Wenger, lucky?! I struggle to accept the opinion of someone who signed Ali Dia 🤦🏻♂️
Deeney said Salah is not world-class and just a very good player, Jordan is a walking contradiction and as for Souness their is no comparison in their managerial careers in both what they won and what they done for football as a whole.
I didn't watch yet but what the hell is the title saying? Wenger is not a football man? He is 'lucky'? Did you guys turn mad or something?
Wenger has built the best football in England when the English teams used to just "kick and rush", including my own beloved Man Utd.
Wenger has won the only invincible title of the history of the league. He has permitted Arsenal to build a bloody stadium. He had to compete with Mourinho and SAF and their almost unlimited budget with his very limited one, and he did brilliantly. With his small money, he has kept building the best passing football I have ever seen (yes because Pep's is utterly boring). In 2011 Barcelone had only lost one single game, battering every single team they faced (again including my beloved MU), the only game they lost was against Wenger's youngsters in the CL. And Wenger would have gone through them if not for a shameful refereeing. And you call that man lucky? Seriously?
I honestly believe that Wenger is the second greatest manager in the history of the Premier League. And he's on contrary very unlucky, because if Arsenal didn't had to build a bloody stadium, he would have had much more money and would have had battered the league. Big respect from a United fan.
Well said! 👏🏼
Agree with everything; regarding the ‘luck’ or lack thereof, this is why I admire Arsène- the banks only agreed to loan Arsenal the money if Arsène remained in charge.
He knew they wouldn’t have the money to splash and would have to sell players but he took the hit because he loved the club. He knew he would have to turn down any opportunities because of this stadium.
He got criticism from all corners and held carried himself with grace and dignity.
I’ll always remember his farewell speech- his first words were to Sir Alex who was ill at the time, wishing him not only a speedy recovery but a full recovery.
With the tribute for him at Old Trafford- those two were really a class act!
(Most of the time! lol)
@@Alvin-jr9otIf anything, the one thing Wenger didn’t have was luck. It’s ridiculous to say that one of the biggest credits to the Premier League was just a lucky manager.
And we all know barca had the refs in their pocket. Hence the van persie sending off and the chelsea game. Now pep is facing 115 charges which will come to nothing. Walked the bundesliga with bayern oh my what a genius!!!!
@@tournaline3448 Definitely. He got a Champions League final ruined by bad luck in 2006 and he clearly had the best team. He had so many great recruiting opportunities ruined because his competitors could put higher bids. He had brilliant champions league campagnes, but he always had the hardest draws. He played Barcelone, Milan, Bayern, so many times in the round of eight. And he always put a honorable fight with teams of youngsters. He was the exact opposite of modern day Man City in the CL, always underdogs but always a show of class.
I cannot understand how someone could disrespect that man.
The problem with football management is it is a closed house and you get managers like Souness who have little intelligence and no common sense.
You can inherit all the great players you still have to use your tactics and player management. How many managers have we seen go into big clubs and fail🤷🏻♂️
If you watched Souness on Sky Sports during the Wenger era, the admiration for him and the way Arsenal played was palpable. What he is saying here is purely for engagement.
Wenger was lucky must be the most jealous statement I’ve heard from this man
Sir Lordship Jordanite & Souness = Top LADS Proper Clobbers 💯 Facts & Troy
Souness seems like the type of guy that is bitter he has to talk about other players and not himself.
There’s a reason nobody takes Graeme Sowerness seriously. The guy is a complete clown. I honestly believe he says these outlandish click bait statements to try stay relevant…
I was a 12 yo Liverpool fan in 92 and 21 years later 13 PL 2 CL plus various other titles, their fans traumatised and tormented me in my teenage years and in my 20s now 11 years of good Man U theropy and now 2024 I am nearly cured of the red devils Keep Ten Hag till 2040 and he will keen me safe and happy YNWA
And souness is a football man and didn't do f all as a manager so what's your point?
I’m sure Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang will be thrilled to have been called a “wrong ‘un” by a fool like Graeme Souness 🤦♂️🤦♂️
Liverpool fan. Souness destroyed the Boot Room, that has been a conveyor belt of managerial talent.
A lucky man doesn't go unbeaten, only a genius does it's embarrassing to think otherwise. Wenger changed English football that says a lot about the man.
As usual talk about United. Hated, Adored, Never Ignored
When talking about Wenger, everyone seems to forget the huge decline and stagnation from 2006 onwards, 12 years of failure. Erik needs to stop going back to the Ajax 2019 well
So Wenger was lucky for knowing about quality players before anyone else did? 😂
I’m guessing he didn’t give Souness the tip about George Weah’s cousin.
Absolute stupidity, the man went 49 games unbeaten with a team he created.
Souness has never taken accountability for his short comings as a manager with sides who had great players.
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It wasn’t luck, it was genius. These guys wouldn’t know the concept if it slapped them in the face.
Sounds like Graeme could do an hour on Wenger, wouldn’t that be a great listen. Clearly does not like the man, would be good to hear exactly why instead of alluding to “things he told his players to do”
Souness is borderline unwell now it seems. Ten Hag is doing a “brilliant job” with 14th placed Man Utd, he says Postecoglou who took on a dire Spurs side, took them from 8th to 5th and has largely united the club is “lucky”. This following on from his analysis that Rangers weren’t battered by Celtic last month and that there isn’t a gulf.
He really does come off so poorly these days and never backs up a statement with common sense, just anger and venom. The man is lost
If you read Wengers autobiography Souness, you will realise pretty quickly that he is a football man.
You'd think Deeney was some big hard case ! Must have missed that
All they want is for united to sack their manager so they have something to talk about and start talking shit about the next manager
Jordan is having an absolute nightmare here..but he always does against Souness
Souness becomes more and more out of touch with every month that passes.
He played 583 games in his career.
Saka has already played 323 at 23 years old.
Wenger "inherited" these are the players Wenger gave debuts to in his career & in English football: George weah,Thuram,Trezueguet,Petit,Anelka,Henry,Ashley Cole,K Toure, Yaya Toure (Arsenal friendly) Fabregas,Wilshere,Flamini, Clichy, Sczesney, Gnabry,Gilberto Silva,Lunjberg,Lauren,Lehman 😂
Giving up a 2-0 lead 10 times in 32 years is the dumbest stat or point of reference i ever heard 18:54
Any footballs the go over Sounness' fence are getting popped or locked in the shed. That's the vibe.
Graeme is delusional. Does he not remember Ronaldo refusing to come off the bench and walking out the stadium?
Unsubscribing and reporting.
As a Newcastle fan, we stopped listening to Souness a while ago
The way they interrupt eachother makes the show look so disorganized and all over the place. It's a hard watch. Could barely watch the first 15min without cringing at all the interrupting going on. Can't even get to hear anyone's complete point. No one finishes what they want to say. Souness is going to drive many people away from this channel.
Souness sounding really bitter there. You can push lucky on one cup win etc but winning the double twice and going a season unbeaten come on? And if he is that lucky should be playing the lottery every week.
Senior pro’s, even good senior pro’s only set the dressing-room standards, if they have the communication skills to do so.
Players like Auba are senior pro’s with poor leadership skills. They can’t see the overview.
Just rhetoric really. You can’t seriously say Wenger is not a football man with his record. Man just burnt out. Look where he is and where Graeme is! Tell me who the real football man is
Did Troy seriously just link Paul effing Pogba with LEICESTER CITY FOOTBALL CLUB?! What planets he on???🤦♂️🤦♂️🤣
Souness being miserable and bitter as usual. People often only think of Wenger's Arsenal only. He won title and cups with Monaco (cheated out on about two by OM) clubs in france and Japan. To say such man is not a football man or "lucky" is someone trying to console himself of his own miserable life.
I would have souness over winger every day of the week ....souness is a real football man he's forgotten more than winger knows
Haha did Simon say 'depression' ? I'm sure he meant 'correction" 😅 enjoy the pod, thanks
Has it always been, any manager loses one game and we have to discuss if they need to go or not?
Agree to some degree about AW… he was fantastic till 2010… after that he declined… it happened with lot of managers. Wenger was also very good in Monaco, won title with them and reached semi finals of champions league. On the other hand Souness is sour man who was lucky that Newcastle hierarchy and other clubs gave him job…
Wenger and Mourinho didn't "decline"..... after 2007 construction of Emirates, Wenger ended up with very limited budget, therefore wasn't able to compete with top clubs on highest level anymore..... Mourinho very similar case, except Mourinho left Chelsea for much poorer clubs, therefore couldn't keep his initial success with those clubs in long run..... offcourse Guardiola is succuessful everywhere he goes, when he only managed top clubs with biggest budgets :D
@@LukasMatejka-du5hbwell thats is your and also mine subjetive view… mine is that they both declined… Mourinho after he was sacked at Chelsea and Wenger lost his spark at Arsenal… he could walk away, but he overstayed… that false narrative about little budget is complete rubbish… Arsenal agreed to pay bank for the stadium money 20 million pounds annum… for the club that big this amount of money were peanuts even in that period of time… Wenger just had his own view = relying on young footballers and not buying stars… that was big mistake, because many times Arsenal was short of two to three better players to be more competetive…
@@pavolkrajcovic745 as a gooner i totally agree with you. If you less money you have to play the ugly boring stuff to compete. Wenger didn't want or couldn't from 2008 on.
Wenger lucky 😂😂😂 george weah won the world player of the year at milan and thanked him for finding him in a village team ....ask players in france what they thought of him even before he got to the prem.
Souness was a lucky manager, lucky he kept getting jobs after failure after failure...
Not sure what’s worse Manchester United or this podcast when they talk over each other every 5 seconds
Agree...That's why you put headphones on guests
These three talk absolute shit. No top football club has ever been ran badly by the owners and have been consistently successful.
Ask Benfica FC they will tell you about Souness .
Still talking about Paul Pogba after 2 years he left.
It helps if you have the most international Captains in you'r squad like LFC Thats what spurs need to do get leaders even if they're sitting on the bench like Endo the 31 yo captain of Japan or maybe a Hungery 23 yo internatiol captian Szoboszlai
There isn't enough quality players knocking about to take utd where they want to go. It's not like 15 years ago where loads of teams had loads of top players. Now it's real and City with a sprinkle of quality at Liverpool arsenal and bayern.
Which is why it's so crucial for united to develop young players like mainoo, yoro, Amad and garnacho properly under fergie at least 2 of those would go on to become world class
Why not talk about the promoted teams for once?! Must be sick talking about Ten Hag....and most of the chat on here you could say on Talksport!
What Spurs need is Rashy he basically is the perfect example of what player Ange what's 😅
Spurs can have rashford for free
3 GUYS WHO OVERATES THEMSELVES
2x UNLIKEABLES
1 x WHO IS EXTREMELY BRILLIANT & THEN THE NEXT SECOND IS SO STUPID.
No chapter time stamps this week?
Spurs are not buying the right players - they are not good enough - not bright enough.
Ange bring in two coaching staff this summer please get your facts wright
these lads have no right to discuss united or arsenal, click bait merchants !! and shut your mouth troy no trophies!
They can discuss anything they like just as me and you can..I agree on the troy thing tho 😂
Only one left on the coaching staff at Spurs from Conte is Mason and hopefully he is going.
Fergie and wenger are the best two premier league managers ever for me klopp did not win enough titles and pep managed a club who cheated so those two cant be considered great managers like fergie and wenger are.
Really difficult to listen to this podcast with 3 voices going all at once...
He called Casemiro a Steady Eddie...
Troy Deeney was made captain at Watford, so does not represent the values of most players.
united fan here, in no way was wenger lucky.. he was a great manager that just went on as arsenal manager for to long that’s about all he was guilty for, he should have moved on to another club, Madrid would have taken him no problem and he would have had more backing by the board there
United doing well 😎👍🏻
Why the constant obsession with one club?!!
Wenger made the football souness would've loved to been able to do
Pogba is 6'2. You sound like you've been drinking the Fury family Kool-Aid.
Asking Souness what he thinks about Utd.. Is like asking a Palestinian what he thinks of an Israeli
Souness talks a lot of Rubbish, Wegner is lucky close to delusion indeed.
He just cant accept the fact although he was a much much better player than wenger when it comes to football management he couldnt lace wengers boots. Managers can get lucky but they cannot in anyway do what wenger did on just luck. Graemes deluded himself as per usual 😂
Pogba is really good. Mbappe cries for him all the time cos he can see the pass.
Marsellie wants him btw.
Pogba is a great player. His ego won't drop.
I think Aston Villa will love him on their team.
Too lazy. He was really good, not anymore.
@@MrJeffHead we'll see
Graemes' surrogate son 💀.. LMAO
Lee Dixon said Wenger increased their retirement
I used to really like listening to Souness speaking on football. Now, he just sounds like a bitter old man who no humility.
A bayern and psg reject is still miles above what utd have. Utd are levels below them teams.
Any manager going to a top team is "lucky" in that regard. If slot manages to win the league it will be largeley down to what he inherited. He wouldnt win it at brentford would he. I could win the title with city pep is very lucky.
Graeme Souness talking rubbish. He is trying to stay relevant with this nonsense statement. An invincible manager and double winner competing with the likes of Chelsea, Man United and later Man City with no budget was lucky.
was ronaldo the 'ultimate senior pro' when he threw a kids phone on the floor or when he stormed out the stadium when we wast getting subbed on? what a load of nonsese what a great example he was
I love a bashing against spurs and utd... and hated Wenger.. so best episode ever..
Who do you support?
Take your pick of 89 league clubs 😂 @@Dannyb707
Clear off talking about Utd. Same
Topic every week its bloody boring
All the talk about United having zero standards etc yeah sure they are trash right now. What about Spurs, Chelsea and Arsenal recently? How many trophies they won? Sod all. United actually placed a triophy in the cabinet last few seasons despite been awful on the pitch. We all know if it's United - Spurs in the Europa League near the end United are winning. Spurs are Spurs.