I own the new 2023 Accord and absolutely love it. I cannot get these features and gas mileage on an SUV this size. Perfect- no, but it does everything you expect you need it to do and it does it well.
Did your trim come with blind side monitoring? The ones here at dealers don't have that feature included, unless you get the touring trim. I actually rented a brand new one with 40 miles on it from an Avis dealer in San Francisco for three days. It was comfortable, but not exciting and anyway. Lastly, I like the look of the previous one. This new version, especially in white, looks like an undercover cop car. I do think it's a fine car, but nothing really exciting about. Which is making me lean again towards the Toyota Camry SE hybrid.
I test-drove the 2023 Honda Accord Sport, with those 19" tires, and they were definitely noisy. I finally bought the 2023 Accord EX-L, which has 17" tires, and the difference is definite and palpable in terms of ride-quality.
Given what the car is, the EX-L is definitely the Best Buy. The fuel economy is amazing Vs. The cars with big wheels. Many folks want the “look” these days. Honda is happy to oblige!! I’ve been looking hard at the Sport L but the EXL is undeniably the best hybrid buy out of the offerings.
I am a little confused about your Accord Hybrid review. This seems more like a take down than an objective critique. The Accord is a mainstream car, not a sports car. The complaints about the restrictions of equipment with each trim level seem small in a big pond. The average car price today is around $45K. The top level Touring Trim is under $40K. Your Sport Trim has less because it costs less. Shop any European brand and see what you get for $30K to $40K. See if you get a 12" touchscreen with real knobs and real dials for all of your climate controls instead of complex touchscreen menus. See if you get the same level of reliability. C'mon folks. Pound for pound and dollar for dollar, it doesn't get much better.
It is not a takedown. It is a factual review. I sold a 2016 Honda Civic within 3 months after buying it brand new because of the non-support of the seats. Within the last 3 weeks I replaced a 2016 Sonata which had fantastic seats. It was replaced with a 2020 Honda Accord hybrid. The only issue with it, is the damn seats. As with the Civic the seat bottom is too short, and it's a little bit too firm. Although I have lumbar support. Will I sell it? No!. Because it gets 51 mi to a gallon on the last couple of trips that I have driven it on. I'm older now and I can tolerate a little butt fatigue, for great mileage.
I believe the reason why some newer Honda's feel discontented is because of chip shortages, which is sadly still a problem. The window sticker will disclose that certain models will not have Blind Spot Monitoring, which will be indicated by the initials BD(example: Honda Accord EX BD).
2020 Accord hybrid Touring MSRP $36,070 2023 Accord hybrid Touring MSRP $37,890 Includes more std and safety equipment If you are buying $90,000 blingy pickups and SUVs then expect to pay up.
Back in Fall of 2019, I have negotiated a final sales price $28,500 for an EX-L Hybrid. Now would be surprised if you can negotiate more than $500 off... if that.
I'm surprised that not a lot of people are saying this, but I think Honda's disguising cost-cutting as simplicity. Sure, the styling is cleaner inside and out. But there's also fewer trim pieces that gave each trim their own style (ex. outgoing Accord had either matte faux wood or metal trim depending on the trim level). Also, there's fewer features than before. The LX lost dual zone climate control and adjustable rear headrests. The touchscreen on base models shrunk from 8" to 7". Only the Touring has rear seat USB ports (it was on all but the LX before). The CR-V lost the handle in the cargo area to fold the rear seats with one pull (that they pioneered 10 years ago!) What is Honda thinking?
The 2023 -2024 Honda Accord EX is the best value in price and for longevity. The gas savings on the Hybrid models will be lost when having to replace Hybrid battery, computer reprogramming. Keep in mind cost of replacing Hybrid batteries, plus there's many other components in a Hybrid model that makes it more subseptable to break downs. This holds true for any Hybrid model vehicle of any brand.
The lack of Blind Spot and Cross-Traffic alert is due to a supplier parts shortage. Rather than limit production output, Honda opted to produce some percentage of Accords (and CR-Vs) without BSI. I agree that Honda has not communicated this well at all, and dealers need to make this crystal clear to customers as they are in the purchase process. I've had an issue with a dealer that didn't volunteer the information that BSI wasn't on a car I was looking at, but I knew to ask about it.
I found out the hard way. There was a little blurb on the sticker that mentioned BD. I found out BD is BSI delete. It indicated -$455 so $455 off the price.
@21:33 most people only know about ceramic tint been the better option. But look at tints like 3M Crystalline tint. This is considered the top of the line tint but its not very popular and not all tint shops capable of installing. Look in to the technical specs for Total solar energy and other technical specs. No I'm not a tint installer or anything related. Just a car guy sharing info if that helps anyone.
As with the earlier episode on the CR-V hybrid, you inaccurately state the Honda hybrid system uses a CVT. You must know it has a direct drive employing the electric motor and clutching the engine at highway speed. We rely on you to reduce confusion for consumers rather than contribute to it by repeating the marketing directed at the ignorant masses
The partner and myself own (2) 2021 Accords, 2.0T Sport and Hybrid EX-L. After seeing the new lineup, we are not going to upgrade anytime soon. Might be our last new cars for a while. What I noticed for the 23' EX-L trim, they removed: fog lights, HD Radio (touring only), no Sirius XM w/in Honda infotainment, downgraded lumbar support from 4way to 2way and wireless charging (touring only). BSM is "available" for an additional fee but not standard?!? With everything getting more expensive yet removal of items/features makes no sense for us to buy newer. As a Honda loyalist, anyone looking for an Accord I highly recommend the 10th generation (18’-22'). Good luck!
One other thing. You can no longer get a beige tan interior in the Honda Accord. Even the Toyota Camry only gives you black or a gray interior. I've never purchased the car that did not have a beige type interior, so this is a real hard problem for me.
My mother got the original accord in 1980, I learned to drive on it, it was sporty and cool and everyone loved it. The current equivalent is the new civic hatch. In the other hand, the new accord lost all the sport car charm.
Ceramic Tint is worth the money. I have it on all of my cars. Save me from being sunburn during long drive and keep the car cooler when parking in the sun.
18:55 you had the same glitch on the Honda Accord configurator I was getting. You select an ex-L and it shows ex-L, but says Sport L. You selected Sport L, it shows the sport L car, but says Ex-L. The Honda website needs a lot of work. You select the Honda accord interior color and it doesn’t let you zoom around like all the other cars on their website.
Amazing. I've been shopping for a 2023 Prius the weekend, then I saw the final price you guys paid for the Accord Hybrid. It's actually less expensive than the prices I'm seeing for the Prius.
To people who prefer the non-hybrid Accord: why? I don’t see why CR thinks forcing the hybrid at the higher trims is bad. It drives better and gets better mileage.
Finally! I was shopping for the 2023 Accord, but refused to buy it, since most of the models I saw, had deleted the blind spot monitoring. It was only guaranteed on the Touring model. Am not willing to pay that much more, just to get that feature. I understand though for 2024, all trims will have all of the safety features.
I think the styling is less interesting than the prior model. Shame they have dialed back the driving dynamics that the Accord was known for and dumping the 2.0T and 10 speed is a no sell for me. As a 2016 Mazda6 owner I feel sad that the 6 no longer exists, it remained unique in that segment for how it looked and drove. Even more so that the planned replacement was going to be on an all new RWD platform, that underpins the new CX90-but I understand the business decision.
What company gives you flexible options these days? Maybe Porsche. But the rest make you waste money on junk like heated seats and heated steering wheels, when all you want is a safety feature or upgraded radio. Packages are designed to rip you off. I remember in 1985 my parents bought a Mustang convertible. They basically look an order sheet and checked off what they wanted in the car. They got what they wanted, and were not forced to buy options they didn’t want, which unfortunately included the 5.0 v8 and the 5 speed manual.
The discussion in this episode confused two issues: 1) the availability of safety systems for all trim levels, and 2) the absence of additional options that can be added to trim levels. IMO, safety systems should certainly be available on all trim levels, as we don't want to prevent those with lower purchasing power from missing out on safety. But simplifying trim level structures with few or no options (assuming that all safety systems are on all trim levels) makes the car ordering/purchasing decisions easier. I have always applauded Honda and Acura for presenting their vehicles in this way.
It also brings in efficiency and reduces manufacturing cost. I agree totally! Its awful buying experience with Toyota for example as it give dealerships lot of room to make manipulate the buyers for financial gain
I just don't feel that it's done to make it easier for the customer. It's done to make it easier and more profitable for Honda and the dealer. It's a deal breaker for me if I have to pay more for the car and get fewer choices.
The thin seats are a deal breaker and it is not subtle. The driving enjoyment that Accords have been known for is absent. The 2023 Accords are expensive to boot.
I’m averaging 46mpg having a blast when in sport mode and have a seat setting that’s all the way to the floor for low center of gravity. There’s no compromise in my opinion it goes plenty fast. It’s faster than when I had a modified FR-s so that’s a win. Stays very stable on tight turns since it does some torque vectoring stuff to keep load even as possible.
I recently picked up a 2023 Sport HYBRID L. Like you say, you never know what you're getting unless you read the fine print. I assumed I would have rear cross track monitoring, BSI and Sirius XM. I was shocked to find I didn't have those features. It's not a deal breaker though, but I would have been more than willing to pay another thousand or $1,500 for those features.
Actually rented a 'brand new' Hybrid Accord Sport in San Francisco with only 40 miles on it, this weekend. I was only disappointed, that just like the vehicles on the Honda lot that I have perused, the blind side monitoring, was deleted, from this vehicle. ONLY the Accord Touring is guaranteed to come with blind side monitoring. The Sport and other trims, can have blind side monitoring added by the dealer. BUT, the 'dealers' stick it into a package with junk, that I"ve seen cost as much as $2000 more than the MSRP. I rented a Kia K5 LX in Los Angeles the next day, and blind side monitoring was standard on it. Yet the Kia was almost 4 to 5K cheaper than the Accord at MSRP. Lastly, it averaged only 36 mpg, when I was expecting 40+, at least.
What you did not mention. Is even want to go to the sports level and above, blindside monitoring still isn't standard, it is just available. There is a $500 difference if you want any of those approved trim lines with blind side.
The lack of a 2.0T w/10 speed automatic in the new Accord ia a mistake for those of us who like to drive. They are forcing us to buy another brand if we want some driving fun.
I love the car. I agree with you guys, the rigid trim structuring is a deal killer for me. The sport L should offer everything the touring does in a blacked out package. No rear vents or USBs on anything but the touring? I’m out! I’m looking at 35-38k fully loaded cars. This Accord and the new Prius Limited are at the top of my list. The Accord is so close to perfection for me if they’d fix the funky trim structure.
3:31 😮 no AC vents?!?! 10:27 Integrated headrests? How are we supposed to fit a front facing child seat with the headrest bulging out and not being able to take it out!?! The cheapness in the Accord for families with young toddlers is ridiculous
Yeah not fully happy with my vehicle the hybrid sport and didn’t realize till after I purchased. It has blind spot but no heated mirrors. I don’t feel safe driving in the rain or snow anymore and I’m really considering trading it in for something safer.
So CR is now upset that you are forced to get better fuel economy as you move up into higher trim levels. Also, as usual CR mis-represents the drive train. It doesn’t use a CVT. Uses a series hybrid set up, that will direct drive over a certain speed.
Wanted to buy this car but I'm worried about the seat I'm worried about the noise from the road and the fake engine noise Somebody with the hybrid help me
I laugh when you talk about Honda seats. I sold a new 2016 Civic 3 months after buying it because of the seats, years ago. My 2016 SONATA, which replaced the Civic had great seats. I sold it because of the publicized issues with the theta engine and it's high theft category, a few weeks ago. Purchased a used 2020 Accord Hybrid to replace the Sonata. My only issue is again those darn Honda seats. My Ex has all of the adjustments, but I can't get comfortable. Too low and too firm, seat bottom too short and with my long legs can't get it to go back far enough. Will I sell it? Hell, no! Why? It has been getting consistently 51 miles per gallon, on any road trips I've taken. My manual Mazda 6 and my old Sonata only averaged 33 mpg. A little butt pain won't kill me.😅
Be warned that the Honda Accord Hybrid does not come with a spare tire, jack or tire iron. It does come with a tire repair kit and an air pump. Just imagine being stuck at the side of the road trying to repair a flat tire where you don't have a jack or a tire iron. you can call for service but will have to wait for hours particularly if you call "After Hours". Honda, the solution is so simple: Put in a spare tire just like the regular Accords. Latest news as of january 2024: You can buy a spare tire package from Honda for about $500.
Strangely, and for better or worse, the Accord has become the Camry and vice versa. I miss the old Accords. As far as Hybrids go, Toyota has proven longevity and better performance with a slightly larger gas engine which works better when piling on highway miles at speed.
It's just sad to see the Accord completely morph into an appliance. I love my 2.0T Touring. An extra grand a year in gas? Who cares. Now if this Accord had 50 more horses, I'd be interested.
6:20 it’s not about easier buying options, it’s about not having a strong powerful performance engine in the Accord anymore! I’m not overwhelmed with picking between a slow and fast option for a car!
I think, this review is not an objective one. Not defending Honda. I am actual switching from Honda to another brand. It the following things could be better. 1. Complaining about the lack of the safety features as Rear Cross Traffic alert and Blinf Spot Monitoring are not just a software update. These features require special radar sensors. And they are not cheap. You add them and voila- the price climbs up to the EX level. The entry LX is a way for cunsumers to get a car at the lowest cost. 2. Complaining about a lack of V6 or high power engines is super strange. For sports go to Acura. Honda is a commuter car or a family hauler. 3. A super weird complain about the touring trim not being sold as a gas only car - hybrid is just a much better drive train and it is logical to have the best of the best in the touring trim. 4. Complaining about the noise - please just list some noise level numbers and compare them to other vehicle. Wind and road noise also have different frequencies. List some charts. Otherwise, these comments are too subjective.
The "Hybrid only" is a result of CAFE (Corporate Average Fuel Economy) requirements. They force manufacturers to force consumers to buy hybrids. Honda's response was to "force" those who can pay more to go hybrid.
Yep. Only on the touring trim. They’ll charge you 37k for a sport L with far less features then have your rear passengers/children sweltering on the leather seats with no air flow.
I had finally got down to the last two cars and I was thinking the Honda Accord would be my choice. But after going to the dealership and immediately noticing that if you had the same trimline it actually came with or without blind spot monitoring, I was livid. Before with Hondas if you wanted blind spot monitoring you just moved up from one trimline to another. Bud for them to actually now produce cars within the same trimline, and decide to give you or not give you blind spot monitoring for another $600, I think is horrible and I eliminated them just based on that. Glad you guys brought it up so the rest of the customers would know that kinda does not care about their safety, unless you give them an extra $500.
I am sad honestly honda no longer offers a performance accord. Many people buy cars for the driving experience. They are more fun than suvs. But when yoy go full on boring with your new car design. I feel like there is less incentive to get the car over the suv. This 11th gen is just a boring looking car, it looks like a grocery getter again. Its also big and slow. The tenth gen with the 2.0T is a fun to drive sporty car thats still very practical and roomy. I wish at least they kept the sportier looks with the 11th gen. I prbably will wait to see what the 12th gen offers before getting another accord now.
Elimination of normal engine on higher level Accourd is telling the the longe classic reich bayer, look somewhere else change your habits and switch to other car company
Hopefully Honda is holding back on a performance model and it will appear in the next model year... Accord 2.0T 10spd Auto. This model lineup is for the mundane drivers who need reliable smart looking transportation. I will skip this Accord.
Nice car man. I hope you and the girls get many years of trouble-free motoring. I suppose, if you're going to have your first sip of electric Kool-Aid; the Accord is probably a great place to start
Consumer reports reviewers aren’t really an accurate cross section of the American public at this point if you haven’t noticed. Coastal decadence has prevailed
Life is NOT FAIR! Plenty of brand choices that give you more for your money! Blind spot monitoring is NOT essential ! You have a mirror, eyes and a brain. Now, collision warning/avoidance is much more important and effective.
I enjoyed that you didn’t talk over each other. It’s getting less common on TH-cam podcasts.
Because Mike wasn't on this show. 😆
I own the new 2023 Accord and absolutely love it. I cannot get these features and gas mileage on an SUV this size. Perfect- no, but it does everything you expect you need it to do and it does it well.
What mpg do you get?
Did your trim come with blind side monitoring? The ones here at dealers don't have that feature included, unless you get the touring trim. I actually rented a brand new one with 40 miles on it from an Avis dealer in San Francisco for three days. It was comfortable, but not exciting and anyway. Lastly, I like the look of the previous one. This new version, especially in white, looks like an undercover cop car.
I do think it's a fine car, but nothing really exciting about. Which is making me lean again towards the Toyota Camry SE hybrid.
Got the Accord EX 31,160 at MSRP. My personal MPG is running at 42 mpg. Enjoying it everyday.
Still bugged by how the Chinese ePHEV Accord has much better interior features than this.
A good discussion without over-the-top drama. Much improved!
Just picked my Accord touring. It is amazing, very roomy, very comfortable. The seats in the touring are very comfy.
I test-drove the 2023 Honda Accord Sport, with those 19" tires, and they were definitely noisy. I finally bought the 2023 Accord EX-L, which has 17" tires, and the difference is definite and palpable in terms of ride-quality.
Given what the car is, the EX-L is definitely the Best Buy. The fuel economy is amazing Vs. The cars with big wheels. Many folks want the “look” these days. Honda is happy to oblige!! I’ve been looking hard at the Sport L but the EXL is undeniably the best hybrid buy out of the offerings.
I am a little confused about your Accord Hybrid review. This seems more like a take down than an objective critique. The Accord is a mainstream car, not a sports car. The complaints about the restrictions of equipment with each trim level seem small in a big pond. The average car price today is around $45K. The top level Touring Trim is under $40K. Your Sport Trim has less because it costs less. Shop any European brand and see what you get for $30K to $40K. See if you get a 12" touchscreen with real knobs and real dials for all of your climate controls instead of complex touchscreen menus. See if you get the same level of reliability. C'mon folks. Pound for pound and dollar for dollar, it doesn't get much better.
It is not a takedown. It is a factual review. I sold a 2016 Honda Civic within 3 months after buying it brand new because of the non-support of the seats. Within the last 3 weeks I replaced a 2016 Sonata which had fantastic seats. It was replaced with a 2020 Honda Accord hybrid. The only issue with it, is the damn seats. As with the Civic the seat bottom is too short, and it's a little bit too firm. Although I have lumbar support. Will I sell it? No!. Because it gets 51 mi to a gallon on the last couple of trips that I have driven it on. I'm older now and I can tolerate a little butt fatigue, for great mileage.
I believe the reason why some newer Honda's feel discontented is because of chip shortages, which is sadly still a problem. The window sticker will disclose that certain models will not have Blind Spot Monitoring, which will be indicated by the initials BD(example: Honda Accord EX BD).
Yes, the BD is on CR-V. I assume the BD stands for "blindspot delete".
It's crazy how much car prices have gone up in the last 4 years
2020 Accord hybrid Touring MSRP $36,070
2023 Accord hybrid Touring MSRP $37,890
Includes more std and safety equipment
If you are buying $90,000 blingy pickups and SUVs then expect to pay up.
Back in Fall of 2019, I have negotiated a final sales price $28,500 for an EX-L Hybrid. Now would be surprised if you can negotiate more than $500 off... if that.
@@cleoendara8943almost like there some strange force governing prices based on supply and demand 😊
I will never drive anything but Honda.😍
I'm surprised that not a lot of people are saying this, but I think Honda's disguising cost-cutting as simplicity. Sure, the styling is cleaner inside and out. But there's also fewer trim pieces that gave each trim their own style (ex. outgoing Accord had either matte faux wood or metal trim depending on the trim level).
Also, there's fewer features than before. The LX lost dual zone climate control and adjustable rear headrests. The touchscreen on base models shrunk from 8" to 7". Only the Touring has rear seat USB ports (it was on all but the LX before). The CR-V lost the handle in the cargo area to fold the rear seats with one pull (that they pioneered 10 years ago!) What is Honda thinking?
The 2023 -2024 Honda Accord EX is the best value in price and for longevity. The gas savings on the Hybrid models will be lost when having to replace Hybrid battery, computer reprogramming. Keep in mind cost of replacing Hybrid batteries, plus there's many other components in a Hybrid model that makes it more subseptable to break downs. This holds true for any Hybrid model vehicle of any brand.
The lack of Blind Spot and Cross-Traffic alert is due to a supplier parts shortage. Rather than limit production output, Honda opted to produce some percentage of Accords (and CR-Vs) without BSI. I agree that Honda has not communicated this well at all, and dealers need to make this crystal clear to customers as they are in the purchase process. I've had an issue with a dealer that didn't volunteer the information that BSI wasn't on a car I was looking at, but I knew to ask about it.
I found out the hard way. There was a little blurb on the sticker that mentioned BD. I found out BD is BSI delete. It indicated -$455 so $455 off the price.
@21:33 most people only know about ceramic tint been the better option. But look at tints like 3M Crystalline tint. This is considered the top of the line tint but its not very popular and not all tint shops capable of installing. Look in to the technical specs for Total solar energy and other technical specs. No I'm not a tint installer or anything related. Just a car guy sharing info if that helps anyone.
I would like to highlight this comment. I agree 100% and have them for both of my vehicles, on all windows. It is very pricey but worth it!
As with the earlier episode on the CR-V hybrid, you inaccurately state the Honda hybrid system uses a CVT. You must know it has a direct drive employing the electric motor and clutching the engine at highway speed. We rely on you to reduce confusion for consumers rather than contribute to it by repeating the marketing directed at the ignorant masses
The partner and myself own (2) 2021 Accords, 2.0T Sport and Hybrid EX-L.
After seeing the new lineup, we are not going to upgrade anytime soon. Might be our last new cars for a while.
What I noticed for the 23' EX-L trim, they removed: fog lights, HD Radio (touring only), no Sirius XM w/in Honda infotainment, downgraded lumbar support from 4way to 2way and wireless charging (touring only).
BSM is "available" for an additional fee but not standard?!?
With everything getting more expensive yet removal of items/features makes no sense for us to buy newer.
As a Honda loyalist, anyone looking for an Accord I highly recommend the 10th generation (18’-22'). Good luck!
One other thing. You can no longer get a beige tan interior in the Honda Accord. Even the Toyota Camry only gives you black or a gray interior. I've never purchased the car that did not have a beige type interior, so this is a real hard problem for me.
My mother got the original accord in 1980, I learned to drive on it, it was sporty and cool and everyone loved it. The current equivalent is the new civic hatch. In the other hand, the new accord lost all the sport car charm.
Would have enjoyed hearing how the Accord Hybrid compares to the Camry and Sonata hybrids.
Ceramic Tint is worth the money. I have it on all of my cars. Save me from being sunburn during long drive and keep the car cooler when parking in the sun.
18:55 you had the same glitch on the Honda Accord configurator I was getting. You select an ex-L and it shows ex-L, but says Sport L. You selected Sport L, it shows the sport L car, but says Ex-L. The Honda website needs a lot of work. You select the Honda accord interior color and it doesn’t let you zoom around like all the other cars on their website.
Thank you for emphasizing safety features! ❤️
Is it produced in China?
Amazing. I've been shopping for a 2023 Prius the weekend, then I saw the final price you guys paid for the Accord Hybrid. It's actually less expensive than the prices I'm seeing for the Prius.
I love the new look, folks, especially the sweet dulcet tones from Mr. Linkov. Your voice sounds like honey, Jon.
Thanks for the review, what do you think of the color? What color do you prefer on the Honda Accord?
Which trim has double paned window? Is it only from touring? I don’t find this information anywhere
To people who prefer the non-hybrid Accord: why?
I don’t see why CR thinks forcing the hybrid at the higher trims is bad. It drives better and gets better mileage.
Main reason: battery needs replacement at 8-15 years with your own money which can be over $10k.
When people force u into something, run the other way
Emily and Alex have been such good additions to the Talking Cars team! They know their stuff!
Thanks for the tip about covering car seats with a blanket. My wife has to cover the steering wheel for the same reason because it gets *very* toasty.
Finally! I was shopping for the 2023 Accord, but refused to buy it, since most of the models I saw, had deleted the blind spot monitoring. It was only guaranteed on the Touring model. Am not willing to pay that much more, just to get that feature.
I understand though for 2024, all trims will have all of the safety features.
I think the styling is less interesting than the prior model. Shame they have dialed back the driving dynamics that the Accord was known for and dumping the 2.0T and 10 speed is a no sell for me. As a 2016 Mazda6 owner I feel sad that the 6 no longer exists, it remained unique in that segment for how it looked and drove. Even more so that the planned replacement was going to be on an all new RWD platform, that underpins the new CX90-but I understand the business decision.
John is one of my favorite moderators! I also love with Mike moderates too. He’s my all-time favorite! Especially Mike.
Does the Touring have better noise isolation and NVH materials than the other trims?
Yes
What company gives you flexible options these days? Maybe Porsche. But the rest make you waste money on junk like heated seats and heated steering wheels, when all you want is a safety feature or upgraded radio. Packages are designed to rip you off. I remember in 1985 my parents bought a Mustang convertible. They basically look an order sheet and checked off what they wanted in the car. They got what they wanted, and were not forced to buy options they didn’t want, which unfortunately included the 5.0 v8 and the 5 speed manual.
The discussion in this episode confused two issues: 1) the availability of safety systems for all trim levels, and 2) the absence of additional options that can be added to trim levels. IMO, safety systems should certainly be available on all trim levels, as we don't want to prevent those with lower purchasing power from missing out on safety. But simplifying trim level structures with few or no options (assuming that all safety systems are on all trim levels) makes the car ordering/purchasing decisions easier. I have always applauded Honda and Acura for presenting their vehicles in this way.
It also brings in efficiency and reduces manufacturing cost. I agree totally! Its awful buying experience with Toyota for example as it give dealerships lot of room to make manipulate the buyers for financial gain
I just don't feel that it's done to make it easier for the customer.
It's done to make it easier and more profitable for Honda and the dealer.
It's a deal breaker for me if I have to pay more for the car and get fewer choices.
The thin seats are a deal breaker and it is not subtle. The driving enjoyment that Accords have been known for is absent. The 2023 Accords are expensive to boot.
I’m averaging 46mpg having a blast when in sport mode and have a seat setting that’s all the way to the floor for low center of gravity. There’s no compromise in my opinion it goes plenty fast. It’s faster than when I had a modified FR-s so that’s a win. Stays very stable on tight turns since it does some torque vectoring stuff to keep load even as possible.
I agree with the safety monitoring, it should be standard.
I recently picked up a 2023 Sport HYBRID L. Like you say, you never know what you're getting unless you read the fine print. I assumed I would have rear cross track monitoring, BSI and Sirius XM. I was shocked to find I didn't have those features. It's not a deal breaker though, but I would have been more than willing to pay another thousand or $1,500 for those features.
Actually rented a 'brand new' Hybrid Accord Sport in San Francisco with only 40 miles on it, this weekend. I was only disappointed, that just like the vehicles on the Honda lot that I have perused, the blind side monitoring, was deleted, from this vehicle. ONLY the Accord Touring is guaranteed to come with blind side monitoring. The Sport and other trims, can have blind side monitoring added by the dealer. BUT, the 'dealers' stick it into a package with junk, that I"ve seen cost as much as $2000 more than the MSRP. I rented a Kia K5 LX in Los Angeles the next day, and blind side monitoring was standard on it. Yet the Kia was almost 4 to 5K cheaper than the Accord at MSRP.
Lastly, it averaged only 36 mpg, when I was expecting 40+, at least.
What you did not mention. Is even want to go to the sports level and above, blindside monitoring still isn't standard, it is just available. There is a $500 difference if you want any of those approved trim lines with blind side.
CR, The Accord offers lots of rear legroom but the rear headroom for adults is dire.🤨
They should revert back to conventional shape in next generation like the 5 series has always been
Great advice on covering the car seat to shade it from direct sunlight.
The lack of a 2.0T w/10 speed automatic in the new Accord ia a mistake for those of us who like to drive. They are forcing us to buy another brand if we want some driving fun.
Yep, so true! I left Honda after they switched to CVTs and I have been with Mazda since. A very nice upgrade!
is driving supposed to be fun? lol so needy
I love the car. I agree with you guys, the rigid trim structuring is a deal killer for me. The sport L should offer everything the touring does in a blacked out package. No rear vents or USBs on anything but the touring? I’m out! I’m looking at 35-38k fully loaded cars. This Accord and the new Prius Limited are at the top of my list. The Accord is so close to perfection for me if they’d fix the funky trim structure.
Timing belt, or chain?
chain. belts are used for V6 engines by Honda.
3:31 😮 no AC vents?!?!
10:27 Integrated headrests? How are we supposed to fit a front facing child seat with the headrest bulging out and not being able to take it out!?!
The cheapness in the Accord for families with young toddlers is ridiculous
Not sure I follow. The rear seat headrests doesn’t seem to bulging out. How is it going to be a problem?
How does it compare to the Ford Fusion Hybrid and the Chevy Malibu Hybrid? Congrats to Honda for investing in hybrid sedans.
Ford and Chevy no longer manufacture those vehicles.
Love those new mics guys! Super clear sound quality!
Yeah not fully happy with my vehicle the hybrid sport and didn’t realize till after I purchased. It has blind spot but no heated mirrors. I don’t feel safe driving in the rain or snow anymore and I’m really considering trading it in for something safer.
The CRV hybrid does not get the mpg as advertised… that’s why I am looking towards the accord
The flip side of safety systems is that they increase the cost to the point that lower income people have to drive 15+ year old cars.
With hybrid cars the electric engine could reduce stress on the CVT
So CR is now upset that you are forced to get better fuel economy as you move up into higher trim levels. Also, as usual CR mis-represents the drive train. It doesn’t use a CVT. Uses a series hybrid set up, that will direct drive over a certain speed.
Wanted to buy this car but I'm worried about the seat I'm worried about the noise from the road and the fake engine noise
Somebody with the hybrid help me
It is what it is. No need to talk that long about the limited options for each trim level. I'm sure it helps to keep costs down.
I love how instead of seeing more video of the car we instead get to watch three people stare at the laptops in an empty office.
The Accord looks good in black..
I agree with the leather comment, I have found personally leather supports me better.
The Camry has always seem to have a quieter cabin than the Accord.
I laugh when you talk about Honda seats. I sold a new 2016 Civic 3 months after buying it because of the seats, years ago. My 2016 SONATA, which replaced the Civic had great seats. I sold it because of the publicized issues with the theta engine and it's high theft category, a few weeks ago. Purchased a used 2020 Accord Hybrid to replace the Sonata. My only issue is again those darn Honda seats. My Ex has all of the adjustments, but I can't get comfortable. Too low and too firm, seat bottom too short and with my long legs can't get it to go back far enough. Will I sell it? Hell, no! Why? It has been getting consistently 51 miles per gallon, on any road trips I've taken. My manual Mazda 6 and my old Sonata only averaged 33 mpg. A little butt pain won't kill me.😅
27:19 GABE SIGHTING
Be warned that the Honda Accord Hybrid does not come with a spare tire, jack or tire iron. It does come with a tire repair kit and an air pump. Just imagine being stuck at the side of the road trying to repair a flat tire where you don't have a jack or a tire iron. you can call for service but will have to wait for hours particularly if you call "After Hours". Honda, the solution is so simple: Put in a spare tire just like the regular Accords. Latest news as of january 2024: You can buy a spare tire package from Honda for about $500.
There he is. 9546 is a troll. A honda hater. He goes on every site and does a copy and paste reply. A sick dude
Strangely, and for better or worse, the Accord has become the Camry and vice versa. I miss the old Accords. As far as Hybrids go, Toyota has proven longevity and better performance with a slightly larger gas engine which works better when piling on highway miles at speed.
It's just sad to see the Accord completely morph into an appliance. I love my 2.0T Touring. An extra grand a year in gas? Who cares. Now if this Accord had 50 more horses, I'd be interested.
6:20 it’s not about easier buying options, it’s about not having a strong powerful performance engine in the Accord anymore! I’m not overwhelmed with picking between a slow and fast option for a car!
I think, this review is not an objective one. Not defending Honda. I am actual switching from Honda to another brand. It the following things could be better.
1. Complaining about the lack of the safety features as Rear Cross Traffic alert and Blinf Spot Monitoring are not just a software update. These features require special radar sensors. And they are not cheap. You add them and voila- the price climbs up to the EX level. The entry LX is a way for cunsumers to get a car at the lowest cost.
2. Complaining about a lack of V6 or high power engines is super strange. For sports go to Acura. Honda is a commuter car or a family hauler.
3. A super weird complain about the touring trim not being sold as a gas only car - hybrid is just a much better drive train and it is logical to have the best of the best in the touring trim.
4. Complaining about the noise - please just list some noise level numbers and compare them to other vehicle. Wind and road noise also have different frequencies. List some charts. Otherwise, these comments are too subjective.
The "Hybrid only" is a result of CAFE (Corporate Average Fuel Economy) requirements. They force manufacturers to force consumers to buy hybrids. Honda's response was to "force" those who can pay more to go hybrid.
It doesn't take a genius to figure out that Gladiator's gonna score shitty in side impact test.
No rear seat air vents? FAIL!
Yep. Only on the touring trim. They’ll charge you 37k for a sport L with far less features then have your rear passengers/children sweltering on the leather seats with no air flow.
I had finally got down to the last two cars and I was thinking the Honda Accord would be my choice. But after going to the dealership and immediately noticing that if you had the same trimline it actually came with or without blind spot monitoring, I was livid. Before with Hondas if you wanted blind spot monitoring you just moved up from one trimline to another. Bud for them to actually now produce cars within the same trimline, and decide to give you or not give you blind spot monitoring for another $600, I think is horrible and I eliminated them just based on that. Glad you guys brought it up so the rest of the customers would know that kinda does not care about their safety, unless you give them an extra $500.
Somone who is buying car for first time 🙄 who buys accord as their first car ?
I am sad honestly honda no longer offers a performance accord. Many people buy cars for the driving experience. They are more fun than suvs. But when yoy go full on boring with your new car design. I feel like there is less incentive to get the car over the suv. This 11th gen is just a boring looking car, it looks like a grocery getter again. Its also big and slow. The tenth gen with the 2.0T is a fun to drive sporty car thats still very practical and roomy. I wish at least they kept the sportier looks with the 11th gen. I prbably will wait to see what the 12th gen offers before getting another accord now.
Acura = Hybrid & V6
Honda = Hybrid & I4
Important has a "T" in the middle that is pronounced
Disagree if they gave me an option with no safety features I'll take it all day.
Elimination of normal engine on higher level Accourd is telling the the longe classic reich bayer, look somewhere else change your habits and switch to other car company
Hopefully Honda is holding back on a performance model and it will appear in the next model year... Accord 2.0T 10spd Auto.
This model lineup is for the mundane drivers who need reliable smart looking transportation. I will skip this Accord.
Yeah, that was a real dick move by Honda on the safety features.
Honda, go back to the drawing board
Nice car man. I hope you and the girls get many years of trouble-free motoring. I suppose, if you're going to have your first sip of electric Kool-Aid; the Accord is probably a great place to start
Not a big fan of the show when Emily is on. Just my opinion.
I disagree. Shows with Emily are better. Touché.
Consumer reports reviewers aren’t really an accurate cross section of the American public at this point if you haven’t noticed.
Coastal decadence has prevailed
🤣🖐🙄 Some good info but mostly a stretched out, flat, chit chat of silly comments to fill the space (and their jobs🤣)
Wow, Consumer Report needs to hire people who can speak. Smart people, horrible speakers.
Arguably the most misinformed take on the Accord so far.
Watch Savagegeese for an accord review. Cr doesn’t know what they are doing
The new Accord is ugly inside and out, they followed up such a great design with the 10th generation with this disaster. I don't understand
Life is NOT FAIR!
Plenty of brand choices that give you more for your money!
Blind spot monitoring is NOT essential !
You have a mirror, eyes and a brain.
Now, collision warning/avoidance is much more important and effective.