Why Xehanort Chose The Traitors | Kingdom Hearts 3 Theory
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 18 ก.ค. 2018
- Since the crazy reveal of Marluxia and Larxene being a part of Xehanort's 13 Seekers of Darkness and the True Organization 13 we have to wonder WHY would he chose traitors for his new Organization, well the answer was in our face the whole time!
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To those in the comment sections talking about Marluxia still having Blue eyes, that was from the 2017 Monsters Inc. Trailer, in the Vol. 3 Kingdom Hearts 3 Japanese trailers released 2018 you can clearly See Marluxia with Yellow eyes, footage of which I placed in the video
You can also see for yourself here (It's already been timestamped) - th-cam.com/video/oFKlDX4vzz8/w-d-xo.htmlm24s
HMK hey have you considered that by weakness of trust he might be talking about being to trusting of others as a weakness? Like being loyal and trusting is often a personality trait of light so if you trust people to easily then your heart isnt dark enough to be a darkness.
Can we get a Isa and Lea theory video?
What is their agenda and what not?
Somehow I don't think that Marluxia was really betraying the organization at all and was actually following orders to see how others reacted.
I mean what if their betrayal really wasn't an issue and it was all planned from the start? It was Xemnas the one that assigned Castle Oblivion to Marluxia instead of the other members that were higher in rank. I mean why would they assign an important location that contains a hidden potential piece of Xehanort's plan to a possible traitor and Saix (who had been Norted the entire time as he had yellow eyes) was the one that said to Axel "there are traitors dispose of them". What if it was all a test to determine if they were worthy of becoming Xehanorts? Depending how all members reacted on the situation at Castle Oblivion they would have passed. Marluxia carried out the orders successfully and Larxene unaware remained loyal to the current situation, while Vexen failed due to his actions, and Lexaeus and Zexion failed because they did their own thing or were not strong enough.Meanwhile Lexaeus, Vexen and Zexion were very distrustful of other members in the Organization and went on to do their own thing themselves. Even Zexion was not interested in hearing about the secret chambers. Meanwhile Xaldin was an independent Organization member doing his things and wanted to turn Beast into a heartless and nobody in order to acquire KH simply because he despised the love that both Beast and Belle shared Axel also passed but then failed due to his betrayal and because of his friendship to Roxas.
In the end Larxene was loyal to someone and was willing to follow an intended leader which was Marluxia at the time despite the fact that she could have been erased by the rest of the organization members. She followed at any cost and follow someone's "nefarious plan" and was willing to cause others pain and suffering and disbalance something that other "Norts" have proved capable of doing.
Something that I did Notice on Marluxia's fights there were X's everywhere and the reaper that was watching over him in the final fight had 4 yellow (2 on its face and 2 on the red skull cap it was wearing)
if they chose traitors because they're motivated by wanting the keyblade...what evidence do we have for luxord wanting to be part of the organization?
HMK love this theory brought up! And kh3 trailer brought the progression of all except one of the organization members. Since KH2 released way back when, to kh3 trailer, we’ve seen a progression from each of the original 13 organization members.
But what about DEMYX!?!?! You think he he may turn how to help like Lea and help Sora, or actually be on the true organization? But the latter considers far-fetched from his kh2 story arc. Ahhhhhhhhh it’s got me curious.
PLOT TWIST: Larxene and Marluxia are just pretending to be norted by wearing yellow contacts.
"Hello, fellow norts, it is I, Nortluxia."
"And Larxnort!"
"We are totally definitely norts like you. So, what nort-y things are we norting today?"
Sigh... Any member of the New Organization has a piece of Xehanort's heart in them. That's wht the have yellow eyes.
Kira1Lawliet Amber eyes are trending these days in the KH universe.
@@RandomGirl119 Fake. To fool the others you'd have to say X-BLADE in each phrase.
@@RandomGirl119 This comment is gold
I feel like Marluxia still has the opportunity to stab Xehanort in the back. He is the Graceful assassin after all.
A Random Nerd That's Axel
It's Lea. Got it memorised?
some habits never die
*Marl H* Wait, I'm fairly certain that he is right, just that Marluxia's title is "Graceful Assassin" opposed to "Silent Assassin"
Anti Riku Thanks for reminding me. I forgot his exact title xD
As for Luxord; he's a gambler. When approached by Xehanort, he probably thought, "Why not?"
Xehanort: Hello young man, would you like to gamble your destiny in a game of cards?
Luxord: Of course, i see nothing wrong with wagering my life to a guy whose nobody screwed me over.
*gets possessed*
Luxord : Well... shit.
Sonic Plays I can actually see that happening.
Or he was too depressed to actually care. He went through a character arc in 385/2 days where he went from jovial to eventually somewhat depressed and resigned, if you read his commentary over the course of the game. He even states 'he'll play his part to the end' at one point.
FranticDucks Wonder what exactly caused such a shift in behavior.
He likely believed that he no longer had control over his own destiny, which was a core part of his 'gambler' ideals - leaving life to the roll of a dye. I wished we knew what would he was from, but it is probably likely he may have been a pirate himself - in either Pirates of the Carribean or that animated galaxy-pirate disney film that I have yet to see.
Well, there is a phrase that says, “ keep your friends close, but your enemies closer” this could also be why Xehanort choose Marluxia and Larxene to keep an eye of them if they betray Xehanort, which I think they will in the end.
Mario Lurita Exactly but Xehenort is the type to always be prepared he's probably already got a plan if they backstab him.
So far the head count is
Master Xehenort
Young Xehenort
Ansem SoD
Xemnas
Xigbar
Siax
Aqua
These two
Luxorld
And
Vanitas
Leaving us with 2 slots left and if you notice the chess pieces in the trailer their tops all match up with someone from the new orginaization and if you look closely their is a Sitar in the set so Demix is probably back to but that still leaves the question of who is number 13?
Demi-Fiend of Time I think #13 might be ether Riku Replica or Terranort.
Mario Lurita My money is on Xion thats why Ansem and Xemas are goading Sora into Bringing Roxas back in the Digital Relm as Ansem left her Data inside Sora too and what's a better choise for 13 than the replicant of two previous canidantes. I dont think it will be Terra-Xehanort as he's still split into Ansem and Xemnas
Demi-Fiend of Time Xion could also be possible, cause since Sora and anyone doesn't know Xion and some forgot her cause she went inside Sora's heart. There is an advantage for Xehanort or Xemnas who knows Xion and hasn't forgotten about to get her data so she can be the last member, while Sora is only trying to save Roxas and probably Ventus as well since he is going to get the power of Wakening
Braig from BBS is a member too (remember the secret cutscene from Re:coded). I'm glad that I'm not the only one who thinks that Larxene and Marluxia are going to betray Xehanort, so he's looking for Ven an Xion as a Backup.
MOST of the members were inadequate. MOST. How did I miss that?
JettTheWolf696 Isn't that a given though, given that Xigbar and Siax were included?
Same I really didn’t recognize that
DarkWhirlwind88 Same, I was thinking he meant Xemnas himself, Xigbar, Saix, Luxord (because he was one of the last remaining Organization members left to fight at The World That Never Was in KH2), and maybe Marluxia eventually because of his Nobodies appearing in the Tangled world during earlier KH3 trailers
TheTribalOne
And don't forget Demix
TheTribalOne yet
But is pretty obvious
All the obra that weren't part of Ansem aprentices área being Made Xehanorth, because unlike them, this ones were chosen since the beginning
Marluxia meets vanitas the dark side of ventus yess
I feel like the radiant garden bunch weren’t really loyal to Xehanort. In general, they were all good people; they were guards and scientists in a peaceful land, and they were tricked by Xehanort and Braig into falling into darkness. Seeing that Ienzo is helping us in KH3, I’d say that most of Radiant Garden crew and the founding members are actually good natured
Tyler Fredrick Another bullshit comment because Xaldin, Vexen, Lexeaus, and Zexion were the most strongest and loyalist members. They worked along with Xehanort and Xigbar and abducted countless of innocent people via threw them into cells and treated them like they were animals. They created artificial heartless with Xehanort and were manipulative themselves, they were willing and enjoyed working with Xehanort for the next 10 years. Xaldin even stated in the reports that they gave up their hearts to become nobodies and become part of the organization.
KHisthebest alex, interesting perspective. Now, might I say, this is only my personal opinion so I would definitely disagree with your remark of a bullshit comment. That being said, I do agree and disagree with parts of your comment.
Overall, yes they did bad experiments under the lead of Xehanort, but in the end, they were tricked into giving up their bodies to become nobodies to the organization. Even Braig was tricked, as was shown in DDD. The fact that these people have returned as somebodies and are not apart of the new organization tells me that they were not selected for a specific reason. We’ve seen a trailer where Ienzo appears to be helping Sora, and they all used to work for Ansem, so I would argue that in their true somebody form, they are good
Tyler Fredrick
Even and Ienzo lost their hearts due to the machine. You can see Braig was fiddling with a computer with Even and Ienzo in front of that device computer. Braig was even surprised to see Xehanort remembered how to summon his Keyblade, so Even and Ienzo lost their hearts due to the machine. Xigbar even mentions a plan before being strucked down by Xehanort.
You can’t really argue about them being good people because they are somebodies after all the damage they’ve caused to the worlds and innocent people in BBS, after they banished Ansem the wise in the Realm of Darkness. I already mentioned that Dilan said that him and the other 5 apprentices willingly become nobodies enjoyed working with Xehanort for the next 10 years. They did this before becoming nobodies and you want me to believe that Xaldin, Vexen, Lexeaus, and Zexion are good people after all the shit they’ve done?
Xaldin wrote exactly this in 358/2 Days: "We became Nobodies precisely to avoid the shackles of emotion."
Every Nobody was just an extension of their human forms' minds. They remember exactly what their lives were like and why they did what they did with an expectation of Roxas and Naminé.
The six apprentices are bad people and chose to work with Xehanort. I will not believe that they are good people after the shit they’ve caused to others and the worlds. This is the same story where Lea and Ienzo were interacting in DDD yet Lea literally killed Ienzo. Ienzo should be pissed and livid but nah, he’s just chill and talking to Lea. This right is BAD WRITING
There’s no need to be livid yourself. We get it, you think it’s bad writing. While I partially agree, we don’t know everything and how everyone is actually feeling. We also don’t know how Xehanort got the apprentices on his side. Xaldin I’m sure was all for it, but the rest we really don’t know.
TheBlueLink3 that is true, we don’t know, and we won’t truly know until we get KH3. It seems to me that the step that Nomura is taking is one where the originals from Radiant Garden are being an aid to Sora, at least Ienzo is. And before everything happened happened they had good jobs doing research and protecting Radiant Garden, so I personally choose to think that perhaps they were corrupted by the darkness but have good intentions. I hope the comment about being livid wasn’t directed at me, I was trying my best to calmly state my thoughts but I can clearly see that this KH is the best guy is very stern about his views towards the writing.
Very ironic name given his current outburst regarding the plot 😂
Honestly, this could be the most likely theory to happen in kh3. It makes sense, though I think Marluxia may still try betray the new organization once his plan is completed, which could lead to a huge fight.
Same. I seriously doubt Marluxia is gonna be 100% loyal to Xehanort.
Again, why does that make them fanboys? It's logical to assume Marly would betray Xehanort again, whether if it will actually happen or not. Judging from his past actions of course.
yungbreezy36 well why wouldn`t he do that again? He did it once, he could try doing that again. And fanboy? Seriously? -.-. He's not even my favorite character.
I hope that Axel is a double double agent and ends up learning how to use his keyblade then rejoins the organization
sa r dran 24. I hope so! But i don't think so :"( . Now that Marluxia has become a Xehanort vessel it's difficult to try to betray him (cause ya know he has become him) and if he tries Xehanort will immediately stop him because he controls him. Either being controlled 90% or 100% by X-BLADE (pancake) its unlikely to make a huge change or to cause problems to the main purpose of the bad boiz.
What about Saix? He plotted along with Axel to overthrow Xemnas at one point. Also, his strongest desire was to have a heart...
So Saix being one of the 13 is even more of a question mark than either Larxene and Marluxia.
No Saix didn't intend to betray the organization. He just wanted to become Xemnas's second in command. This is why he told Axel to kill Vexen and Zexion as they could have become the second in command instead. Saix just wanted power and Xembas's approval.
He quite literally wanted Axel to find the Chamber of Repose so that they could find Xemnas' weak spot, so I'd say his goal was to overthrow him as well. Becoming second in command just meant closer to Xemnas himself so that their chances of success got higher. And if you think about how Saïx and Axel ended up in the Org. in the first place, it makes sense that they'd want revenge.
They never specifically said that. Saix just wanted to be a step ahead of Xemnas by finding the Chamber of Repose. But your right, it COULD be that he wanted to overthrow Xemnas but again, they never said that directly. I imagine Saix just wanted to get obtain Xemnas's approval.
Using Saix as an example is moot because he was already half nort and they would’ve put him in his place unlike Marluxia, Larxene, and Luxord.
@khistthebest Yeah. Saix DID have yellow eyes in the very beginning of 358/2 days.
The reason why the aprentices weren't chosen is because they NEVER were chosen
They were "accidents" made when Xehanorth had his mind made a mess
But all the others, Axel, Säix, Demix, Luxord, Larxene, Marluxia and Roxas were chosen
In the first game Sora becoming a heartless wasn't concidence, Ansem (Xehanorth) gave him the right tools and the information
1234567890 Qwertyuiop THIS
Saix also wanted a heart and was completely fooled by Xemnas and he's still part of the True Organization XIII.
Gotta manipulate them with what they want most - power.
Maybe weakness in trust isnt the traitors but instead means axel and demyx. Axel/Lea has been shown to not follow orders and be a super wild card, and for demyx he was just lazy and had to be given notes on what to so do you really want to trust someone that you have to be writing notes for
Kiowa Harrell Axel's ulterior motives came from orders given to him by SIAX. Both of them had their own agenda completely separate from Xemnas.
DarkWhirlwind88 yea but even then he still didn't follow that agenda he more cared about roxas
Kiowa Harrell He did follow that agenda. The only reason he kills Vexen and Zexion was to further both his and Siax's goals. That, and the two of them had this agenda for a considerable amount of time before Roxas ever joined the group. Not to mention Siax was already the second in command by that point anyway (though it's likely that wasn't their end game). Either way, both were equaly guilty up to that point. So it makes no sense that both weren't norted before the events of 358 like Siax clearly was if traitorous intent was ever a factor.
Why área ypu sure that Demix isn't a North?
I feel like Demyx is more in the "lack of will" category
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In DDD, it was mentioned that Young Xehanort would forge a "failsafe group" in case Old Xehanort could not attain the requisite Seekers of Darkness himself.
Given what Xemnas said, I already assume Larxene and Luxord are merely part of YX's failsafe group.
Roxas has gold eyes in an awful lot of past cinematics (I can scarcely remember where they are); is he Norted as well?
As for Marluxia himself, nothing is known about Lauriam beyond "well he did help Ventus at one point"
DeltaMarlfox He did back in Deep Dive, but that was retconned out.
GREAT Theory. I was starting to think some of these points but I couldn't put them together, and you just connected the dots in a way that makes so much sense. Solid stuff as per usual dude.
it could be possible that marluxia knew about master xeheanort and his end goal as opposed to xemnas and wanted to overthrow the organization to bring back master xeheanort. or marluxia is a keyblade master from his days as lauriem but is unable to wield or remember the keyblade and needs xehanort and is playing dumb until he can get what he wants
theprivateer he could also want to visit one of the sleeping world because remember at the end of union the main character was in the sleeping world whit Maleficent. Maybe he knows more than xehanort or he changed his future by using the book prophecies.
New organization 13 would just be a sausage party without the lighting chick
Afro Boi What about Aqua (as much as I still hate saying that)?
DarkWhirlwind88: oh yeah forget about her
Aqua probably is a darkling instead. There are a lot of differences between her and the others. She has been drenched in darkness.
Keith Ferguson is one of my favorite voice actors. I hope he is still voicing Marluxia in English. I also hope that Ansem will still be Riku's main menace(I know he is a complete part of Riku's Heart now but it doesn't mean Ansem couldn't still try to take over a 4rth time) and raise your hand if you love Ansem as a villan way more than Xemnas!(i don't hate Xemnas I just think he is less entertaining and creepy than Ansem).
What if Xigbar put his missing eye in a keyblade 😂
If you have played bbs you should know that braig lost his eye to terra's dark powers. Might Xehanort who did that too
Degro x I know and I did. What a waste of an eye if he didn’t put it in a keyblade 😉
Maybe Xehanort decided to go with the Megatron and Starscream approach with traitors.
Because Lauriam (Marluxia), and Elfrena (Larxene) are original members of Union X, and probably have some kind of powers or secrets that can be used. Braig (Luxu in Brain's body) has probably been pulling the strings all along, Marluxia and Larxene just were scapegoats.
Dude you always crush theories. You never dissappoint HMK
Yet another great theorie, it was fun to watch :)
Great video, HMK. Sounds like a very plausible theory.
When I first saw marluxia in the english trailer,I thoug he will help sora because he is the leader that overthrown the organazation.Or he will create a new own organazation that finds keyblade wielders
There needs to be a video on Isa and Lea.
Too much on them that is not exposed or explained.
A vid on them would be greatly appreciated.
Also, there is a scene in 358/2 days where Saix asks Axel why between the two he chose to save the puppet.
He went further to ask if he has forgotten the past. This can imply that Saix knew what Xeanort was doing (to Saix as well) and needed Axel's help to save himself and accomplish whatever they were originally trying to accomplish.
Marluxia has still his blue eyes, i certainly believe he is up to something
+HMK There's a detail on the wiki regarding Larxene's view of having a heart and from what it looks like...it seems like she actually thinks it's burdensome and doesn't want one. Idk if that info is still there but apparently it's from a KH novel. Could you look into that and maybe share your thoughts?
Kugan Sivasakthy I thought it was said she thought having a heart was too painful
Morgana It was something along those lines but it's also interesting to point out that what she said was somewhat uncharacteristic for her considering she's sadistic lol Also she seemed to not want one for the reasons you've also said.
Kugan Sivasakthy that’s true. I really hope we see her past and original self before she became a nobody.
Morgana That's one of the things I really hope Nomura does XD Further than that I hope he reveals stuff about Luxord and Demyx.
I just want my boy Demyx back. I need his sassy laid back attitude.
... brilliant! I had thoughts that it was tied to the Keyblade as well.
That is a great theory, HMK! Though, this does not explain about Saix, one of Xehanort's vessels who desires to have a heart. I do have another theory in mind regarding to this topic. Since Xehanort knows that the Guardians of Light are incomplete, he will have to resort to use the Princesses of Hearts, a complete group of seven. Since equal light and darkness is needed to forge the X-Blade, the 13 Darkness will have to be pure darkness or close to pure darkness to properly clash with the pure light of the Princesses.
Xehanort considers himself to be very close to pure darkness, including his Heartless, Nobody and younger incarnation. All he needs is to find other people who have about the same amount of darkness as him or anyone who is willing to place themselves close to darkness. The people who place themselves close to darkness are the ones who are sinful in nature, for example, they have a lust for power (Briag, Marluxia), are greedy (Luxord), are sadistic (Larxene), etc. Demyx could be norted as laziness is another sin. Though, greed and selfishness are the two main sins that can place anyone close to darkness as it is seen throughout the series.
As for Saix, his process of being norted could have been similar to Terra's. Xemnas found out he and Axel were trying to escape from the Organization, so he slashed the sigil on Saix's face to always track him, preventing him from escaping. Saix could have felt immense pain from the punishment and released the pain, allowing Xehanort to possess him, just like how Terra unleashed his rage and hatred (which are connected to darkness) towards Xehanort. This could explain why Xemnas did not do anything despite knowing that Saix was also a traitor to the Organization as Saix was already norted. Moreover, his weakened friendship with Axel resulted Saix to place himself even closer to the darkness.
Besides that, Xemnas had brainwashed them to believe that Nobodies were doomed to fade into the darkness unless they obtained hearts to become whole. If a person was made to believe that his soul was not immortal, he would see life as a living hell and in the end was just death. The person would see life was meaningless and became immoral. This was apparent for Marluxia and Larxene as they both had no intention to have hearts and be whole again as they saw life was meaningless even with hearts. This led them to attempt overthrowing the Organization. As for others, Luxord only wanted to gamble while Demyx only wanted to stop working unless it was recon.
What about others? Xaldin desired for a heart and was loyal to the Organization, seeing himself serving for it as a purpose of his life to regain his heart. Vexen's love for experimentation led him to have a purpose in life as well, and he also loved to teach others as shown his patience towards teaching Roxas in 358/2 Days. Zexion was loyal to the Organization and serving it was his purpose. Lexaeus could have been due to his closeness with Zexion and perhaps he took care of him when Zexion's relationship with Vexen fell apart (possibly due to their different interests in science and art). Axel was almost close to becoming a vessel but meeting Roxas (who looked like Ventus) possibly triggered his memory with Ventus and that time Lea told Isa that he could be immortal in people's memories. This could have gradually led Axel to become a compassionate person, especially towards Roxas and Xion, which led him closer to light than to the darkness. Lea/Axel's ideology is similar to the one in Pixar's Coco, which could have helped Axel to break free from Xemnas's brainwash as he realized that he could feel and that dying was no longer a scary thing as he would be remembered by others.
As for Vanitas, it remained debatable as it was not certain whether he was norted or not as he was considered to be "pure darkness", and whether he would become the traitor and turned to become a hero instead as his theme was played in "Heroes and Heroines: Characters' Medley".
This is a really good theory and analysis.
Maybe weakness in trust is actually talking about the weakness of being to trusting of others and being betrayed because of it. Because they are to loyal and have no selfish drive it makes them weak. If you don't have your own desire then your not your own unique darkness.
And then comes the revelation where Marluxia backstabs Master Xehanort and removes the contact lenses in his eyes, thus setting up the main villain for KH4.
You're absolutely on to something. It would make hell sense for Xehanort to "buy" their membership with the promise of giving them the ability to use a keyblade.
Meh, I feel like Xehanort is too smart to be recruiting members who would betray him. But then again, maybe Xehanort recruited them for a purpose knowing they might betray him again, which is why he's keeping his options open for the 13 seekers of darkeness.
Yesssssss finslly another kh theory thamk you man
That was a really good theory but I always thought marluxia is still loyal to the to the union leaders. although him being Union Leader is still up in the air feels like he may have been the one that killed that girl and then stole her place as Union leader. but what was his goal for that in the first place it seems like he's end goal is all over the place. but if he is truly loyal to the union leaders then he might be referring to being loyal to the union leaders. then again he could have been an apprentice of luxu that's why when he said he was loyal to the true organization aka luxu. to be honest though there are tons of mysterys surrounding him and why he would do these actions if he is like sora/ Roxas. it could be entirely possible that he has access to a keyblade already but he doesn't know how. or it could just be a replica similar to how Roxas keyblade was considered a replica.
True but i still believe Lauriam did kill Strelitzia. The reasoning was probably cuz he wanted to open a spot for Brain. I think they are working together.
@@BobbyTheGamerOfJUSTICE but would he even be able to get away with it. that's the question it doesn't seem to make much sense all it needs is a comment of the Dandylions leaders to the one who brought the Dandylions together. and she would know something is up it seems like a risky move but it doesn't seem like a long-term move is there something they want or need in the immediate future. That would risk the Wrath of the of the foreteller and the other dandelion leaders.
One things for sure, one of the Union leaders wasn't intended to become one. Sadly, there's no way for Ephemer and Skuld could tell one of the leaders was killed and replaced. Only Master Ava and the Master of Masters knows the true leaders and they disappeared.
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It be an interesting twist if during the final battle with Xemnas or Xehanort, Marluxia betrays him and takes his keyblade and maybe even kill him in the process, as it was Marluxia's plan to get close to Xehanort. Which is why Marluxia allowed Xehanort to Nort him.
Im just tryna figure out if they’re ever gonna explain the origins of the members from 9-12 & what is lea & isa’s real goal.
George Crews The Idiosyncratic Guy you're right, it was never explained why Lea and Isa wanted to go into Ansem's Castle. But for the other members, Nomura said that their past will be shown in KH3
That means Demyx is in the rebooted organization. 😳
I like it how Marluxia inherited Laurium's desire for the keyblade. Wonder what's going to happen now that he's being thrown into a keyblade war essentially. Will he try to swipe the box?
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If I recall correctly, Xemnas said that certain members where not as dark influenced as others, such as Ienzo, Aeleus, Roxas, Lea and Xion, which is why they weren’t chosen, but with Larxanne and Marluxia and looking at their behaviour in CoM it seems to make sense that they would be chosen as hosts for Xehanort’s heart fragments, and because of that Xehanort has a bit more control over them this time.
I like the idea, and I would like to add that Larxene and Marluxia didn't want to leave or dismantle Organisation 13, just as you said, change its goal from getting hearts to using the power of the Keyblade for reasons, reasons probably connected to Strelitzia, as we saw in the most recent UX updates, she is the sister of Elrena (Larxene's Somebody, from UX, another factor why she was chosen imo) and a close friend/lover of Lauriam! But she was killed, my guess is Larxene and Marluxia are helping Xehanort in KH3 in order to obtain the power to bring her back! And during their time in the 1st Organisation, they tried to take control of the Organisation to achieve that goal as well! And I think, as you said, that this is closer to Xexe's ultimate goal that getting hearts, and that's why they aren't 100% "traitors"! I think the "weakness of trust" bit is directed towards Axel, while weakness of will is for those who only wanted to get a heart back! As for weakness of body, maybe Zexion, since he's very young? Or weakness as in "absence", maybe referring to Roxas or Xion? I guess we'll see !
Whoa awesome theory
What was that scene from???
Interesting thought, what if the inclusion of Roxas, outside of his normal purpose in the organization, was there also to entice those that wanted the keyblade's power. allowing them to see what the keyblade can actually do and what power it has.
Hmm. Two factors I see involved in choosing those two particular 'vessels'. First off, it can be argued that they have the 'ideal' weaknesses-those many vessels were whittled down by weaknesses of 'body, will, and trust'. They weren't discarded because of body; Larxene is at least as tough a fight as any other Organization member, including Xigbar, and Marluxia was at 'final boss' level-or so we can assume, depending on how limited you think they were by the 'card' system in Oblivion and/or how accurate their Absent Silhouette fights are (given that, if I remember right, other Organization members were somewhat 'buffed' in those. And also they might not have shown off too much to the people they were betraying soon.). They can't be faulted on 'Will', either; other Nobodies simply decided to follow Xemnas and then went along with it, but these two began to question him and eventually branched out on their own-as opposed to being followers. Their failure can be assumed to be that of trust. However, if they 'become' Xehanort, then this is a non-issue; what with the time travel/possession mess going on, all members are effectively the same, meaning that even if they can conceive of some benefit to betraying 'themselves', Young Xehanort or one of the other Xehanorts are going to remember it the second time they join their time-traveling one man band (as, say, Xemnas.). Time travel is supposed to not be something that can change the future/past in this series, but pointing out the first part and not telling them the second part would probably keep them in line to some degree. Secondly, Xehanort is a thorough schemer, and beyond that possessed of time travel; he could well be after them for tactical reasons, either seeing their 'assassination' type abilities as something Xehanort and the Xehanorts haven't picked up in their many incarnations.....or he picked them because he 'knows' who Sora will recruit for the seven lights, and one or both serve as a 'hard counter' to one of their abilities. (Personally, I figure the tactical options are why he brought along a 'failed' x-blade wielder like Vanitas; sure, he was a weakling that somehow lost to Aqua and his 'light' half even when armed with the Ultimate Weapon, but he also summons minions of a type that don't answer to freaking Pete. To say nothing of Roxas maybe having authority over Nobodies. It is never a good day when your minions run off following the OTHER supervillain's orders while you are distracted fighting Keybladers.)
Their desire for power would make it easier to open their hearts to Xehanort. I like this theory.
Okay HMK Question:
At this moment and time based off of KHDDD to all the KH3 Trailers; who are confirmed to be Xehanort's 13 Seekers of Darkness if we know that 2 or 3 people are missing for the his side?
So far, those who have been confirmed are:
Master Xehanort
Young Xehanort
Xemnas
Ansem, Seeker of Darkness
Xigbar
Saïx
Marluxia
Vanitas
Aqua
Larxene
Luxord
That makes 11 out of 13, if there is no "twist" on the allegiance of one of those. I'm guessing the two characters left could be Terra-Xehanort (after all, when a Nobody and a Heartless of a person are beaten, the original body comes back... which means Terra-Xehanort should be the one who came back, and not Master Xehanort), and Ventus, since Aqua is the only one who knows about his location. This would make it very interesting to see the two trios we've grown to love fighting each others.
Holy crap, how did I not think of this? O.O
I just hope we still get to see Demyx’s original self
I think that xemnas was actually being influenced by Terra's heart if you remember xehanort took over Terra before he became a nobody which means that even though xemnas is in control Terra still has some degree of influence even if it might not be as obvious one example of this is how xemnas refers to Aqua's keyblade armor as friend it is also a well known fact that nobodies retain the memories and personality of their former selves think about Lea and Axel
Marluxia just doesn't strike me as someone willingly wanting to be controlled.
Maybe an update on this one after the newest trailer?
HMK and all of X Keepers are the GOATs 😎👏🏾
That does hold some sense.
HMK is the let's race with zeldamaster Luke going come back
(I still hold to Xigbar to being MoM or Master of Masters,but reeincarnated and who knows maybe he will be the one to stop Xehanhort.)
That's... That's just outlandish. Where would you even get the idea that the two are related? Because they're part of the handful of characters who have slightly more personality than "friendship is power" and "DARKNESS"?
You called it haha
What I don't get is why did Lea come back in organization 13 robe but everybody else came back in there regular clouths
Dont forget that Isa woke up in his black clothes too. Maybe they were wearing those cloaks right before they were turned into nobodies? It really begs the question.WHY they had them on in the first place.
DetectiveSpiritOfBobbyFulbrightGamer Guess those clothes are popular. I'd love an easter egg which is that if you go in a certain place in Radiant Garden you can find a clothes shop with the cloacks exposed.
Easy: Nomura hasn't designed new clothes for them yet.
@Baron Thats not the point here. We're discussing WHY Lea and Isa had their black cloaks on when they woke up. From what the Re:coded secret cutscene has told us, its clear to see that they had came back as somebodies in their clothes right before they were turned into nobodies. Cuz Dilan, Even, Ienzo, and Alueas had their radiant garden/scientist outfits on. However, Lea and Isa had their black cloaks on. This means that Lea and Isa must have had the organization cloaks BEFORE they were turned. My question is WHY. Did they prepare for something? Because remember, the black cloaks can actually protect its wearer from the darkness.
@@BobbyTheGamerOfJUSTICE I understand the question, I was just offering an answer that probably has some truth behind it. I don't think that Lea remaining in his cloak necessarily has to hold any significance, but I understand the curiosity. If there is any real reason behind it though, than I'm definitely interested as well.
Marluxia and Larxene are also probably the most evil and mean in nature while the other's were just following orders. Zexion and Leaxus don't seem evil but just loyal to whoever's their leader.
I think your theory is very interesting but there's one question and that Saix he wanted a Heart so why was the the only one of the Ansem Apprentices to become a vessel.
If you think about it, trust isn't the only reason why Xehanort chooses his vessels. Just look at Terra, Aqua and Sora. Even though those guys had light in them, he still saw them as worthy vessels despite them being completely against him. Larxene and Marluxia both have strong wills with Larxene being a wicked person and Marluxia being the one who wanted to overthrow the Organization which takes a lot of will to have to be the first one to want to do that and get others to join you. If you look at the other traitors they either have a weak body or a weak will or are just weak in both factors.
Pretty solid theory, because power can corrupt and due to Larxene being a blind follower to Marluxia and Marluxia's history as one of the 5 Union leaders to replace Strelitzia because he killed her, that easily fits in with his Nobody's desire to Usurp the original Organization and now that he's back, the promise of a Keyblade could be the biggest key, No pun intended, to recruit Marluxia and Larxene due to their roles in Chain of Memories.
Marluxia has his own motives here for sure
I would add too that the Weakness of Trust likely applies to Axel and Roxas since unlike Marluxia and Larxene, those two had outright betrayed them right in front of their faces.
It could also be implied that Lexaeus and Zexion were not loyal to Xehanort so much as they were pretending to be in order to figure out exactly what Xehanort was up to. Keep in mind they were outright attacking Riku because he had Xehanort's heartless contained within him and considered him dangerous (although trying to entice Riku into giving in to the darkness could be a red flag).
Weakness of Will probably implies to Xaldin and Vexen because it is highly implied that the attempts to assimilate them into Xehanort copies may have left them in such unstable condition when they returned as complete beings again that they could not handle the assimilation process (meaning, they are in a similar vegetative state that Ventus was in at the start of Birth by Sleep and could very well be dying).
As for Demyx...I have no idea what the deal is with him. If he's not a Seeker of Darkness (as that would contradict Xemnas' claim of most organization members being inadequate--even if he were to exclude himself from the equation), then he may simply have been the weakest organization XIII member debatably rivalled only by Vexen (I mean story-wise; gameplay-wise, that's a whole 'nother story).
Mike Gordan demyx suffers from the Weakness of Kush
Mike Gordan
Bullshit. This is straight up bullshit because they still want Roxas as their last member currently looking at the new trailer.
You’re correct about Axel part but Larxene and Marluxia being traitorous is the same exact reason on why XEMNAS SENT THEM TO CASTLE OBLIVION in the first place. Saix gave Axel Xemnas' orders to eliminate the traitors and they were eliminated.
Xaldin, Vexen, Lexeaus, and Zexion were the most strongest and loyalist members. They worked along with Xehanort and Xigbar hence they abducted countless of innocent people via threw them into cells and treated them like they were animals. They created artificial heartless with Xehanort and were manipulative themselves, they were willing and enjoyed working with Xehanort for the next 10 years. Xaldin even stated in the reports that they gave up their hearts to become nobodies and become part of the organization.
Here’s Nomura’s comments about the organization:
“Zexion- He’s a character who has a strong master/servant or teacher/student relationship with Xemnas, on the same level as Saix. As far as that goes, he is superior, but you could say that his superiority became the cause of his destruction. If it weren’t for Marluxia’s and Axel’s betrayals in Castle Oblivion, he would probably have been a central person in the Organization.”
Zexion was very loyal to Xemnas and he was going to be Xemnas' second in command until Saix had Axel off him because Saix wanted to maintain his status as 2nd-in-command.
There is no doubt that Vexen was loyal to Xemnas and he wasn’t planning anything against Xemnas or the organization. Xemnas, himself said that he wasn’t expecting Vexen to be eliminated and he still wanted Vexen for his plans
The most powerful members in terms of strength and will where Xaldin and Lexeaus; who were confirmed being the strongest in the organization along with Xemnas and Roxas by Nomura. Not only they were powerful members but they were also loyal towards Xemnas
BTW, the Ansem within Riku was his darkness, not the actual Ansem.
Why did they use the traitorous and weak ones instead of the most strongest and loyalist ones? This makes YX and Xemnas look like big hypocrites
Then it's likely that Xaldin and Lexeaus were not weak in body but weak in will. Although given the fact that Xaldin and Vexen's bodies appeared to not handle the Norting process all too well (again, I think they're in a similarly vegetative state that Ventus was in at the start of Birth By Sleep--and if that's the case, it's possible that they are dying).
It remains to be seen as to why Lexeaus and Zexion rejected Xehanort's heart and never became Norted. You stated that they were amongst the most loyal to Xemnas, and yet their human somebodies seem more loyal to Ansem and Sora. In stark contrast, Marluxia, Larxene and perhaps even Saix were all scheming to overthrow Xemnas in their own unique ways (the latter alongside Axel), and yet they're all Seekers of Darkness.
I totally buy Xaldin and Vexen as loyal to the core, however. Vexen seemed like the most loyal brown-noser that there is, and Xaldin was a clear cut sociopath, and one of the few Organization XIII members that is blatantly evil.
I think if anything, regardless of their loyalties to Xehanort, Lexeaus and Zexion were still bloody independent. Either that, or they were weak in body, and therefore ill-suited to become Seekers of Darkness. Because considering that they are up and about, they certainly cannot be weak in will.
I still believe that Weakness in Trust applies to Axel and Roxas. Yes, they are targeting Roxas still and either he or Xion are likely to become the 13th Seeker of Darkness. But again, Roxas did outright betray Xehanort alongside Axel (even more outright than Marluxia or Larxene). So even though Marluxia may have attempted to betray Xehanort, he was still of great value to Xehanort and his goals regardless.
We can assume too that Marluxia became a Seeker of Darkness due to his history with Ventus (making him Lord of Castle Oblivion with the hope that he would be able to sense and seek him out), as well as the fact that being a former Dandelion, he'd have a copy of the Book of Prophecies.
I'm predicting that most, if not all of the new Disney Worlds, were summoned into existence before their time as a means of locating and acquiring a new set of Pure Hearts. Perhaps Yen Sid and/or Merlin had hidden the current Princesses of Hearts in a place where Xehanort can no longer reach them (aside from Kairi, who is training in secret, hence why she is a returning Princess of Heart), and so Xehanort needs to Book of Prophecies to create new ones from the future.
Mike Gordan
A Nobody can't have a weak heart, because they're made from beings with strong hearts and wills.
They were not loyal to Ansem the wise when the apprentices continue in secret were experimenting on innocent victims that they can grabbed off the worlds, discovering the Heartless, and building the Heartless Factory then they become Nobodies and they along with Xehanort banished Ansem to the RoD. Sora does NOT like Xaldin or Vexen, Lexeaus and Zexion are debatable because they never meet nor interacted with Sora.
Using Saix as an example is really moot because he was already NORTED unlike Marluxia and Larxene. Xemnas knew about Saix’s intentions but he did nothing which is understandable on why he didn’t do nothing to Saix unlike Marluxia and Larxene’s situation.
The Japanese version made it clearer that they were talking about Marluxia and Larxene more than Axel and Roxas. Xemnas flat out said that lack of trust and other reasons are the main reason why most of the original organization members were unfit to serve as vessels and why the original organization fell apart in the first place. Then Young Xehanort said that he learned not all our candidates were fit for the task because of weakness of body, weakness of will, and them being traitorous. The New Organization contradicts what Xemnas and Young Xehanort stated in KH3D, just like who Vanitas’ resurrection contradicts the whole time travel theme and KH3D’s plot in general
Calling Roxas a traitor and saying he couldn’t be a vessel because he was too aware of himself then saying that they are pleased with Roxas’ return so he can become a vessel is literally contradictory. They want back the traitors even though they listed down why the organization fell in the first place, wow, great story telling.
They’ll make up a bullshit excuse on why the traitorous ones are part of the organization.
In other words, it's even more contradictory than the mainstream media and the American elites.
The only difference is that at least Kingdom Hearts isn't vicious, full of hate, and be willing to attack anybody who dares criticize them. Then again, Disney is one of these elitist forces joining in the bandwagon and whatnot, so what do I know?
The point is, I at least still enjoy Kingdom Hearts, even though Dream Drop Distance is probably my second least favorite game in the series (only 358/2 Days is less enjoyable; enjoy countless hours of three friends eating ice cream and contemplating their existence over and over again).
You know what? Let's stop arguing over the nature of the traitors and agree that Xehanort makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Although an interesting thought in Demyx not being trustworthy due to his utter lack of reliability or commitment. Hopefully, he comes back as a Somebody and gives us some valuable insight as to what is going on.
But, yeah! Aside from Axel, the only Somebodies that came back that are up and running happen to be the only ones that never met or interacted with Sora in any way, shape or form (Roxas doesn't count).
PS: Technically, Nobodies regrow new hearts over time. So it is possible for them to develop weak wills in that regard. Weakness of Body doesn't seem to correlate to a Nobody's creation though.
The thing I want to see the most is the original names of Larxene, Demyx, and Luxord. Have I forgotten anyone?
So it's a case of keep your enemies closer and use the keyblade as a carrot in this case, right ?
The theory fits perfectly into why he chose them, but even then I'm still slightly disappointed the story went this way. Xemnas mentions that most of them members originally chosen were inadequate. By that I assumed that only 1/3 of the members were going to still be in it, and not almost half. Also given to the role Roxas will be playing, it could end up being more than half. To me, Larxene was moreover following in Marluxia's wake while Luxord was following in Xemnas's wake. I feel like Xigbar/Braig was a bit more independent than Larxene was, and that's why I put him above her as "stronger". It's true that maybe Luxord and Larxene could have some other backstory still as stated. Marluxia was a perfect choice even without the whole Lauriam part (which it in itself made the story more interesting). Marluxia held a strong control (except against Axel) at Castle Oblivion, and that's why I can see him being chosen as well. 11/13 of the members have been revealed, and I hope one of them is Ansem the Wise. It'd explain why Aqua was turned considering he was the only other one roaming around in the darkness besides Mickey and Riku. However even that could change, and maybe Young Xehanort just found her there. I'm going to be disappointed if Demyx or another old member (not including Roxas) is one of them.
So here is my debunker of this.
Isa and Lea HAD there own goals that we don't know about.
And in 358/2 days, it is hinted that Saix is the one that wanted those in CoO dead and sent Axel to do it.
How does that tie in?
Also, Lea is now looking for both Isa and Braig. Why?
And why is Isa working for Xeanort?
Also, there is a scene in 358/2 days where Saix asks Axel why between the two he chose to save the puppet.
He went further to ask if he has forgotten the past. This can imply that Saix knew what Xeanort was doing (to Saix as well) and needed Axel's help to save himself and accomplish whatever they were originally trying to accomplish.
Aren’t traitors supposed to spur the start of the keyblade war? Makes sense for Xehanort to include treacherous people in order for a war between light and dark to happen.
I think Xemnas has known the true colors of Larxene / Marluxia from before, in fact, there was a theory, that Xemnas manipulated both to create a internal fight and depurate those he considered weak. You know, Xehanort always has been calculator. The Sigil, remember the sigil. Maybe Xemnas was the true master mind behind that treachery... pd. sorry, my english is bad
Do you think that Demyx will return as well
Because Nomura logic:
Consistency < shock value.
You got it right, except for larxene she was just along for the ride.
This is a very good explanation!!! It also kinda goes with my theory, that Xehanort uses the traitors as placeholders, explaining why the 13 SoD are looking for Xion, Roxas and Ven, in case Marluxia ends up betraying the true Org. XIII. But I really hope that Nomura finds a good way to explain why Marluxia, Larxene and Luxord are part of the true Organization.
Chris Schoellen I just assumed Luxord was in it because he was one of the final ones to fall, and probably the "strongest" of them. I mean yeah Xigbar and Saix were two of the last ones, but Luxord was such a weird choice to remain in the World that Never Was.
NeoCaine You're right. I hope that there's more behind Luxord helping Xehanort, other than his passion for gambling. For him it's interesting to see if Xehanort is successfull or not, but I hope that he's a family member from Ansem the Wise and that he's therefore become a Xehanort or something like this. I really hope Nomura takes his time to create a good backstory for Luxord!
Keep in mind that Luxord accepted whatever fate was in store for him in 358/2 Days.
in KHUX both Larxene and Marluxia were in Daybreak Town. So, they're likely Keyblade users themselves. That's likely the only reason Xehanort kept them. Alongside the fact that Marluxia was once one of the new Foretellers. RIP Strelitzia tho :(
FUN FACT HMK: New translations in KHUX show that Strelitzia and Lauriam are actually brother and sister. And it seems Larxene's somebody was friends with them. Closely, at that. HMMMM
This feels more like winning the battle but losing the war. To give up your body to get a key blade seems like a bad deal.
Marluxia wanted to get a Keyblade, sure, but was he really THAT despaired that he has to rely on the one he betrayed at the first place?
I wonder if at the end Xehanort's influence will take over him and Larxene and force them to be loyal to Xehanort (which mostly that old grandpa made sure to happen, but then he failed most of his plans like taking Sora as a vessel...), or that in the end they will yet again betray Xehanort despite his influence, try to overthrow the true organization and because of the two breaking apart from the 13 seekers of darkness, probably make the X-Blade incomplete or inexistent because of the clash not taking place like planned and fail Xehanort's plan?
Braig, unlike Marluxia and Larxene, didn't mention any sort of betrayal, and became a Xehanort before becoming a nobody, so he probably didn't have a will of his own that's as strong as Xehanort's, so he still remained loyal.
On the other hand, Marluxia and Larxene's strong wills before becoming nobodies are their own, and probably even stronger than Braig's, meaning they may be less bound to be loyal to Xehanort.
I know this might be hoping for a bit much, but I honestly would like to see the non-norted members fight against the norted counterparts in important fights in 3
Aeleus vs Dilan (cause they both essestially were comrades in arms as guards become becoming nobodies)
Ienzo vs Evan (cause they were both the more scientific members and ienzo was the youngest member taken in by ansem the wise.)
Lee vs Isa (well this one is more obvious)
although to be honest, I'm not expecting Ienzo to be that active in the fight cause he prefers acting from the background. Im expecting Aeleus to guard Ienzo. Although he prefers doing this cause its what he was used to before. He might also be regretting his choices in CoM cause he says "forgive me zexion, this was a fight I shouldn't have started." Cause he led an angry riku toward his direction. So even though I really want aeleus to fight with us in 3 almost as much as lee. I understand if he might be more a background character in the final installment.
Hey HMK, I've found a keyblade in Dark Souls 2, Key to the Embedded.
One problem I see with you saying Marluxia is a part of the true Organization at this point is the fact his eyes are still blue. I think he's still unsure of which side he's fighting for. Then again that could have just been the fact that that trailer came out much earlier in development before Larxene and Luxord's reveals. Still, their eyes now match Xehanort's when they didn't before so it stands to reason that if Marluxia had truly been won over, his eyes would be the same as Xehanort as well.
So Xaldin, Vexen, Lexaeus, Zexion, Axel and Demyx were useless.
Before you say I missed Roxas, remember what Young Xehanort said? "Roxas. Now there was an IDEAL candidate. Unfortunately he became TOO AWARE of himself."
Adding to this is Xemnas said his experiments with the Heartless were to render candidates basically vegetables, so the fragments of Master Xehanort's heart could take over without resistance. Xehanort learned the hard way that forcing his heart into unwilling people leaves the host unstable.
I kinda hope that marluxia is the main antagonist of the arc after this one
Could you please make a video about how and why did Vexen and Demyx become xehanort ??
Even was seen in DDD completely safe with the others so i really don't get it and why would they even fall for that ? Especially demyx why would he let himself to be possesed by xehanort ?
Here's my take on this. I believe someone convinced Xehanort that Marluxia and Larxene could be trusted. And that person is Xigbar. As Xehanorts most trusted ally, he could easily do this. Plus, Xigbar was the one recruited Marluxia into the organization in the first place. This leads me to believe that Xigbar could have known Marluxia's inevitable betrayal, hell he could have been working with Marluxia to do so! And remember that in one of the Secret Reports within 358 that it was stated Xemnas KNEW about Marluxia's plan, before he even began. Again, I believe Xigbar told him about Marluxia's plan. However, Not as a backstabbing move mind you. I believe Xigbar and Marluxia's plan was INTENDED to fail. Because remember, when a nobody and heartless is destroyed it will return back into a human. Xiggy and Marly knew about this and decided to use it to their advantage in order to trick Xehanort. And remember those plans Xigbar mentioned in Re:coded? THIS is what that plan is.
Theory master!
I'm glad you brought this up as a refresher. If Xemnas didn't trust Marluxia why would Masutā Zeanoto trust him.
Final Boss. Running out of characters. New plot from X\Chi to keep him relevant
So far we have ten confirmed members of the True Organization. Master Xehanort, Young Xehanort, Ansrm SoD, Xemnas, Braig, Isa, Luxord, Marluxia, Larxene, and Vanitas. There's a possibility Aqua is one of their newer members. So who else? We still have two or three unknowns. Unless he plans on having His heart within Terra, Aqua, and Ventus???
NeoCaine Well, doesn't he still have Terra as his main vessel which is why he looks how he was before he died as an old man? Also he orignally wanted Ventus as his first vessel(which is really messed up since he was probbally only 12 at the time) and since he chose to not fight that's why he created Vanitis. Also if you remember he sent him to Eraqus to get better so he could become his vessel again but when he saw Terra he was like "Oh my gosh he is Perfect"! Just in case you don't remember. Come to think of it I am amazed I remember all this, cause I have only played the game once last year! I guess I was really invested in the story:) I plan on playing it again before this game comes out.
Oh yeah, I really love your profile picture. Riku looks so serious and badass! I think he is ready to kill something(I also hope he doesn't die in this game like some people say he will cause he has suffered a lot and just redemed himself)! I perfer him over Sora.
They were picked because they all have links to past keyblade unions
Marluxia Larxene Luxord and Demyx all are linked to the past
Ienzo and Aeleus are completely stable like Dilan and Even, DDD mentioned this.
Using their desire for the keyblade to serve his own ends...sounds about right actually...
They may be traitors but Larxene was powerful and sadistic, qualites that Xehanort might appreciate in a vessel, and marluxia was from the keyblade war times so he is valuable. Traitors or not, they are great assets for the organization
To be fair, if Terra and Aqua could be Norted, there's no reason why he couldn't Nort Marluxia and Larxene.
I'm pretty sure Vexan was part of the traitor group, but got backstaped by Marluxia letting Axel kill him.
No, Vexen was loyal to Xemnas. The only reason Axel killed Vexen was so that he could gain Marluxia and Larxene's trust. Plus, Saix told him to do so and to kill Zexion as well. With Vexen and Zexion out of the way, this let Saix end up becoming the organizations second in command.
DetectiveSpiritOfBobbyFulbrightGamer no vexan got killed for almost sniching but u right but said only wanted Axel to kill zexion
DetectiveSpiritOfBobbyFulbrightGamer Vexan was going to snitch on Maluxia plan to turn Sora into a puppet, but it unclear if he knew about the overthrowing bit too but since axel killed him before he said it is all assumption.
Marl H I mean Vexen, Zexion, and Lexaus were conversing with each other during chain of memories and Zexion outright says they were planning to sick Riku on the "traitors."
I'm not convinced... so you're saying that it happened something like this :
Xehanort : Follow me and i'll give you a keyblade. Even if i lied when i said I would give you all a heart... But it's okay now you can trust me !
Larxene & Marluxia : *OKAY I BELIEVE YOU*
No seriously... If could find other proof about that because it's not really convincing...
Honestly, I still think Marluxia is gonna do SOMETHING against Xehanort. Though to be honest, I’d really like an explanation as to why Luxord stayed with him. At the same time though, while Demyx is still not shown to be returning in any way so far, the final Darkness is almost certainly not him as I doubt they’d keep him of all people for last to be revealed, so I kinda hope he does come back, but as a member of the Radiant Garden group
ill miss Dem Dem or Demyx guess hes a good guy and in a rock band now rock on Dem Dem