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"The Dip" was a chemical formula they actually used to clean old animation cels back in the day to be used in new animations. So in a way they "killed" old toons with it. It was named "The Dip" by the animators.
This sounds too real to be anything but made up.
I don't know how common that phrase was, but it does refer to celluloid erasure chemicals.
and on why it wasn't murder to kill that toon shoe, because there were no laws on killing toons, because toon were thought to be unkillable before the introduction of the dip
The Dip is technically a bunch of paint thinners mixed together.
Acetone, Benzine, Turpentine will absolutely fuck up your paint, but the reason no one cared is because toons are coloured people.
The more you watch this movie, the more you realize just how incredible the effects work is. You notice all the little things they do to help fully immerse these cartoons in the 3D world. A dude hands Roger a real glass of alcohol. Jessica Rabbit physically touches Eddie and *moves his coat*. People should be studying this movie in classrooms.
Agreed. As I posted in another comment, the only real disparity is the places where toons should have reflections in the real world but don't (e.g. the car at 13:20). But that's due to limitations of being able to *draw* reflections in real-world objects, especially with complex surfaces.
The thing is they shot the real life and then the animators animated the tunes to react what was happening so whatever happened in the actual scene they would automate it around to make it look like the Tunes did it
When roger is in the sink hiding from the weasels, he comes out for air and spits real water.
@@Itwasalwaysme_Noone Yeah they did that with a hose lol. And the handcuffs moving around is literally just the guy moving them around on his own, they’re made special so that he can puppet them himself just moving his wrist.
I'm almost certain they do teach this in classrooms 😅
i love the detail that jessica is the one punching above her weight in the cartoon world. roger is a picture star, and he's hilarious, so even betty calls her lucky. jessica is a two bit lounge singer, but she loves her husband and would do anything for him. i absolutely love them.
Classic noir plot. :)
Not really, it's basically the hottie going in for the rich/famous guy BECAUSE he is rich and famous.
It's other women who see that because they want the same thing as Jessica.
Most guys might say Roger was punching above his weight.
As it turns out she seems to like actually him
@@Cheepchipsable My assumption has always been that toons (not being driven by sex) just have different standards for what's attractive. Roger is really funny, so to cartoons, he's a catch.
She is literally asked in the movie "What do you see in him?" and she responds "He makes me laugh." Which seems to be genuine.
@@Cheepchipsableno toons aren't attracted to physical appearance they are attracted to humor. While humans find Jessica hot in the toon world she is a plane Jane.(cause she isn't funny). While Roger is the toon equivalent of Brad Pitt.
This film was a true once in a lifetime moment where by some strange twist of fate all the stars aligned and Disney, Warner Brothers, MGM, Paramount Pictures, Universal Studios, 20th Century Fox, and Kings Feature Syndicate all came to an agreement to feature all their major cartoon characters in the exact same feature.
Director Robert Zemeckis never thought in a million years they would all agree and especially thought Disney and Warner both together was absolutely impossible, but just for the heck of it he asked all the studios anyway and they ALL actually said YES!
It has never EVER happened in the entire history of Hollywood and probably never will again. This is one film that really should be preserved for all time and shown to future generations. The preservation part is now taken care of. In 2016 it recieved the honor of being selected for preservation by The Library of Congress.
This is one of the things that make Roger Rabbit so special, i.e. seeing toon characters from different studios all together.
Chip -n-Dale Rescue Rangers movie. It just came out and did something similar. That's twice Disney got a lot of animation studios together to make a film. That's like a bigger deal than them getting Spider-Man.
@@gothnate Chip n’ Dale Rescue Rangers is mostly a commercial for Disney+ apart from a few non-Disney character cameos. Also, it sucks.
The sheer shock when I realized 2 of the biggest animation rivals agreed to cameo their characters in the same film? I dont think any similar film has gotten anything close to how real all the toons feel in this film.
If I'm not mistaken the Disney and Warner Bros characters had equal amount of time. Like Mickey and Bugs were in the same scene together for the same amount of time and Donald and Daffy
40 years later, you watch this movie and still frequently think _"how did they do that?!"_
The answer isn't just "genius Disney animators" - they didn't animate a real world Bob Hoskins driving a cartoon car, or any of the other real world objects. There are some behind the scenes videos and what the whole production crew pulled off is nothing short of astounding.
Here's one: th-cam.com/video/jv_u9kYoI70/w-d-xo.html
30 not 40
Fun fact - this was a chance to practice for the various tricks in Back To The Future where future and past versions (and other characters played by the same actors) interact.
Literally, this film is one of the greatest technical achievements in the history of cinema, doing this half animated, half practical, before CGI everything and being beyond seamless
I'm watching this movie today and just laugh at all the adult jokes that flew right over my damn head when I was a kid. I was like 7 when this came out and I have no idea what she meant when she was like "tell me, are you that excited to see me or is that a rabbit down your pants?" LMAO!
I loved this movie as a kid, but as an adult a realized the most insane detail I've ever seen in a movie: Judge Doom has TOON TEETH!
Also, the Dip is basically paint remover.
I thought he had really bad dentures 🤦🏽♀️ I’ve seen this at least 100 times lmao thank you for that lmao
Plus acetone to dissolve the plastic cel.
Bumping the FREAKING LAMP. The freaking effort and details that went into this masterpiece is... beyond belief.
I also loved this movie ever since I was a kid, and something I noticed, now that I got older, is Christopher Lloyd didn't blink once in this movie!
Richard Williams, the animation director, won an Oscar for his work on this movie. His book 'The Animators survival kit' is required reading for most animation students.
The chad of animation.
@@fynnthefox9078 Chadimation.
hmm noted
no CG, all hand drawn animation, this is an absolute classic and a kind of film that will never happen again, and is an absolute masterclass in how to do character exposition without having a word of dialog spoken
Yep!
Animation was hand drawn.
ILM did compositing which was computer aided.
It was filmed with rubber puppets in place of the cartoons once so actors could rehearse, then filmed a second time without puppets with actors replicating their rehearsal to nothing.
Robert Zemeckis said it was effectively like making 3 films. One with puppets, one without, and a feature length animated film as well. It had the most names in the credits of any film made to that point. Not surprisingly it was most expensive film ever made when it came out ($70m), Robert Zemeckis sort of beat his own record immediately after with Back to the Future 2 and 3 (filmed together for $80m) - I’m aware they were 2 films but it was still impressive.
@@bigginsd1 The $70 mil comes from a article that had a correction issued on it. It was actually $50, so it was expensive, but not *that* expensive. One of the Rambo movies cost more than that.
The phrase "Bump the lamp" is used to explain how insane the lengths the animators went to make the cartoons seem like they really were on set.
It means going above and beyond what was expected, to create something genuinely great.
“Seemingly superfluous details help sell the effect at a subconscious level”
When Eddie bumps the lamp in the hidden room it made that sequence 1000 times harder to sell to the audience because of the swinging light.
They could have ignored it to make their jobs easier. Nope they had shaded everything so it matched the live action film.
The event presentation company I work for uses that expression in our production work. I love the reference.
More incredible is that it was the animators that suggested doing it because it would make the scene better.
This is what I love about the making of this movie: not only it was a really ambitious, long and hard to do project, but at the time was the most expensive movie ever made. Today, you would expect that that kind of movie would play it safe in order to make sure they'd at least make the money back, so it would be a generic action movie with some comedy so both the adults and the kids would wanna go see it. In 1988 tho, they chose to make it a noir film, a genre that, not only the kids are not particularly interested in, but neither are most adults, since the genre's been all but dead for 40 years.
And that, my son, were the good old days when Disney had balls.
@@randywhite3947 I never said it did, I said it was ALMOST dead, just like westerns after the 70s, they were still getting made but they were way passed their prime in the 80s. Still, both noir and neo noir are genres that no one would risk these day couple with cartoons in the most expensive movie ever made. That was my point.
Ok, so now it looks like I'm talking to myself like a crazy person. Thanks Randy, you prick.
Nailed it 👌
@@bipolarewok Well, I guess noir was dead as in new movies being done in that style. But, kids from Boomer and Gen X were extremely familiar with noir because that's what was shown on TV as they were growing up. And it was pretty popular, along with other black and white classic films and TV shows.
But, yeah, you've definitely got a point about how Hollywood thought about it. They were just as wrong about westerns. haha
“The good old days… when Disney had balls”
Keep in mind, Disney didn’t have much to lose at this point. Their brand had sunk in the seventies/eighties and their animated features were box office bombs (even the good ones like the Great Mouse Detective). They’d already tried going hip/modern with Oliver n Company and tried the traditional Princess route with the Black Cauldron. A film based on a niche book that integrated animation, live action and was the greatest crossover event at the time (people had waited all their lives to see Disney and Warner Bros cartoons share a screen)… it was worth the risk.
Once they hit pay dirt with The little Mermaid and started the renaissance, they went back to playing it safe and hedging their bets.
Bob Hoskins (Eddie) had done work as a mime in his EARLIEST days as an actor, so he was able to use those old skills to "act" against cartoons that weren't actually there. Apart from how effective the effects were to move objects around, what helps sell it is Hoskins' ability to maintain proper eyelines and pretend that the cartoons are actually there, which then convinces the audience once the cartoons are added in.
Each cartoon was shaded over three layers, to help give the 3D effect. Particularly difficult in the bar with the swinging light and Roger going in and out of shadows.
Disney owns/owned Touchstone. Due to the language, they put the movie under the Touchstone label, but it was totally a Disney production. The Disney animation team had been moved out of the studio lot after The Black Cauldron bombed and effectively had to earn their way back in. This was the first of several movies that convinced the Executives to give them another chance. They were let back onto the lot after The Little Mermaid was a massive hit a year later.
Disney worked a MAJOR deal with Warner Bros and other studios in order to get all of the other non-Disney cartoons in this movie. Very likely, you will NEVER see such a collaboration again. (Also the last thing that Mel Blank, the voice of Bugs, Daffy, Sam, etc., did.)
The agreement Warner Brothers cut to use bugs and daffy was simply that Mackey and Donald couldn't be used more than bugs and daffy so the work around was simply to put them playing off of each other in same scenes
Because of this movie (and partly Mario Bros) I didn't know Bob Hoskins wasn't American!
His real accent is closer Smee in Hook!
@@tycol322 Mackey Moose is my favorite Dosney character.
Bob Hoskins once said in a behind the scenes documentary that one of the things he did to help sell the illusion was something very subtle, but something he felt very important. He pointed out that when you look at something, your eyes will shift a little bit to focus on it. And they'll shift a little bit one way or the other depending on how far away the thing is from you. It's why when you're focused on something far away, things up close to you are doubled.
He said most actors when acting against nothing, would just look in the general direction of whatever it was they were interacting with. But generally their eyes would be focused on something distant. He trained his eyes to focus and shift on imaginary objects at their correct distance. So when he was looking at Roger, his eyes weren't focused on something in the distant within his eyeline, but instead focused as if there was an object really there (unlike today where they use actual objects and just digitally remove them, they didn't do much of that in this movie).
Charles Fleischer, the voice of Roger (and Benny the cab.... and the old man Back to the Future 2 who wished he could have bet on the Cubs) insisted on being on set while filming every day. Not only that, but he wore a full-size Roger Rabbit costume every day as well. Since he was just a voice actor, he didn't need to be on set as someone else could have read his lines. And since he was never in frame, he didn't need to be dressed up. But he did it anyway.
Also to answer your question about non-kids Live Action + Animated movies. There was another movie released around the same time as WFRR. "Cool World" which featured a fresh-faced Brad Pitt. Definitely NOT for kids. And does answer your question about if real people can "do it" with a cartoon. I..... don't recommend it. It's pretty horrible.
"Holly Would. If she could."
"Two bits" means two eighths of a dollar, or 25 cents. It's a throwback to the old pirate-y saying "pieces of eight" from the practice of cutting gold coins into eight pie shaped wedges to make small change.
Simone, you're spot-on! Harvey is a 6-foot tall invisible rabbit in a play by the same name. They turned the play into a movie starring Jimmy Stewart, released in 1950. I've seen both the play and the movie, and they're pretty fun -- definitely worth adding to the "classics" category on your "To Watch" list!
Yes, it came out in 1950, but I seem to remember that this movie was said to take place in 1947. Just a little timing error, but I thought it was interesting.
In the movie, they made Harvey 7 feet tall because Jimmy Stewart was already 6 foot.
@@timmeyer9191 Speaking of timing errors, the Goofy Gymnastics theatrical short that Valiant and Roger are watching was released in 1952, while the story takes place in 1947.
@@timmeyer9191 "Harvey" was a stage play long before it was a movie, so there's no continuity error there.
Harvey is a wonderful film well worth watching.
Jessica's physical interactions with Marvin and Eddie during her song are just phenomenal effects work, simply incredible even today. Nowadays they would patch up a lot of the toon-meets-real-life stuff with computer-generated wizardry, but at the time they just had a stand-in model and fantastic hand-drawn animation. And man, it's just a treat to see it come together so smoothly. I mean just watch Eddie's tie run through Jessica's fingers as she pulls away from him; it's so easy to miss when you're paying attention to the characters and the scene, but it looks so natural.
The tie and the handkerchief head rub are impressive to this day. Most of the scenes where toons are interacting with the real world are so awesome. When Roger goes to spin Eddie's brother's chair and he leaves three fingerprints in the dust, or when he is handcuffed to Eddie, the whole time really, but in particular when he gets to the hideout and Dolores is showing them around, Roger goes bouncing around the room and then knocks over Eddie and Dolores it looks seamless. And the lamp swinging creating shadows that move across Roger in a believable way. Perfect.
You get lost in the incredible details they took. You forget those toons are not there at points. I think I'm basically just repeating what you're saying haha, but this movie blows me away still to this day.
I appreciate that you pointed out the lighting and how it casts shadows on Roger, because this movie actually coined the animation jargon of "bumping the lamp," specifically named after the scene in the hidden room where they're trying to remove the cuffs; Valiant hits his head against the lamp, causing the shadows to constantly be shifting, and creating a lot more work for the animators that wasn't necessary. "Bumping the lamp" generally means "going the extra mile in animation to create authenticity."
Fun Fact: the director of this film, Robert Zemeckis, also directed the Back To The Future films. He specifically directed this film because he didn't know if the second BttF film would be approved and he wanted to make sure Christopher Lloyd wouldn't be too busy for it if and when it was approved.
Fun fact this is the first movie that used green screen , instead of the older blue screen ... blue screen was invented by RCA in 1930s .
He did Who Framed Rodger Rabbit first. This movie is the reason he was asked to be the director of Back To The Future, originally it was supposed to have an animated element along with the live action. He agreed to do the movie only if they got rid of the animated part because he knew how much of a pain in the butt it was to do. lol
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@@tj_2701 incorrect. Back to the Future was released in 1985, Who Framed Roger Rabbit was released in 1988, Back To The Future 2 was released in 1989.
@@danielpopp1526 sorry, that's a factoid about Forest Gump not BTTF, not sure how I got that mixed up lol
So wait, it IS the same bridge as in back to the future (2? I think?) ? (26:40)
edit: ok so I saw another comment, it is apparently the same tunnel as in back to the future 2.
"I'm not bad, I'm just drawn that way."
A brilliant movie, a one of a kind in execution and tone I'd say. Awesome! 🙂
I believe that is a play on the famous quote by Mae West, who said, "When I'm good, I'm very good, but when I'm bad, I'm better."
So when it came down to figuring out which toons to feature in the move, I'm not sure which studio pushed for it, but the producers had to agree to devote equal screen time to Disney characters and Warner Bros characters. Thus the piano duel between Donald and Daffy and the freefall scene with both Mickey and Bugs.
Unfortunately, Spielberg wasn't able to get every Hollywood toon that existed in '47 to appear in this... among the notably missing are Tom & Jerry, Popeye, Felix the Cat and Superman (the Fleischer version).
"Also, French Dip costs more than Apple Pie?"
A French Dip is a type of sandwich, sliced roast beef on a hoagie roll, served with Au Jus, broth made from roasting the beef. It's one of my favorites 😊 That's why it's more expensive than a slice of pie. Great reaction y'all, keep up the awesome work! ❤️
It really is a great sandwich.
That sounds awesome
I'm a big fan of French dip sandwiches! If I make it at home I like to add lettuce and onion to it tho
@@chrism7395 it is. If you haven’t had one you need to.
I feel like we watched George repeat his trip through puberty when Jessica was introduced.
For anyone who wants to know: "Two bits" is 25 cents, a quarter of a dollar. The U.S. dollar was based on the Spanish _dollar,_ a silver coin worth 8 _reales,_ and was sometimes designed so that it could be broken into eight equal pieces. Hence, the pirates' "pieces _(pesos)_ of eight" and why we "break" a dollar bill when making change. The dollar sign ($) is based on the design that was on the Spanish _dollar._
...Yeah, I'm a rock star.
This got me looking through the IMDB, and even though I knew the voices of classic characters sounded really good when I was a kid, I was shocked to see how many of the original voice actors (even for Betty Boop!) came back. One surprise that jumped out was the voice of the red shoe…Nancy Cartwright, aka Bart Simpson.
Saw this it the cinema when it originally released. It was an absolute masterclass, and still is!
And yes, there are making-of docs out there for you guys to watch.
There’s loads of behind the scenes stuff for this movie. They had done live action and animation before - films like Mary Poppins and Bedknobs & Broomsticks - but those films had strict rules about how it could be done like the toons never go into shadows, the camera had to be locked off so when they were making this film, they basically went out of their way to throw all those rules out the window.
I remember a whole special on the making of Roger Rabbit, so they should be available somewhere.
Also 1945's Anchors Aweigh with the dance between Gene Kelly & Jerry the mouse.
Yeah, earlier movies were more like using a forced perspective, or filming through a cutaway.
There are a few other interesting blended animation films. The one that immediately comes to mind is Ralph Bakshi's Lord of the Rings (which is a WIERD case, but might make a good reaction).
@@gmchris3752 That's more rotoscoping rather than a mix of live-action with animation
The Singng Sword. Out of SO many favorite moments in this film, that's one of them. The look on Doom's face when Eddie first pulls it out of the box: a flinch and on his guard, as though he's not sure what to expect. Then when he sees it's not a threat, the smirk on his face that he knows he has the upper hand. Such great acting.
"The Singing Sword" is from the 1930s serial comic "Prince Valiant." (As far as I know, that is the source; if there is an earlier version on which that story is based, I'm unaware of it.). These cartoon gag writers made it into a caricature of Frank Sinatra, singing one of his signature tunes. Such a great bit.
So the Only Film you’ll ever See Warner and Disney Toons TOGETHER
Regarding how they did it: when a toon is interacting with the real word they had a mechanical device, ex: an wooden arm holding the gun. Then they printed out every frame of the movie in large size and had animators literally draw on top of them. It was a massive load of work.
Yup, the set was on the second level, the puppeteers were on the first.
Bob Hoskins went insane for a little while after making this movie. Weasels kept coming out of the walls, according to him.
Thats purely an internet rumor. We all know this was created with voodoo magic. Animal sacrifices and everything. Its the only way you could get this level of sorcery in modern ages.
@@iceman10129 "What? Do you really believe someone moves these figures one frame at a time? I'm not a masochist! I used black magic to make them animate themselves!"
(about stop motion movies, but same joke XD)
@@leovk5779 I've worked in animation for about 10 years and I can garauntee you dont make something this crazy without tapping into dark powers that were thought to be banished centuries ago.
@@iceman10129 Yeah, I bet XD
"Contact" is a really good movie, I'd recommend watching it. Also, Bob Zemeckis did direct it.
Based on a story by Carl Sagan no less.
I second Contact!
@@chuckshingledecker2216 How has this not been thirded, fourthed, and forty fifthed by now?
Anyhow, I third it.
I fourth it!👍
I didn't care for Contact, it didn't really have much of a plot.
It was something more interesting concept then in execution.
Sagan was a brilliant man but he was not a novelist, a decent 1st effort perhaps but deeply flawed.
Hollywood have been mixing live action and cartoon characters for a very long time.
There's a black and white animated short, "You Ought to Be in Pictures" from 1940, where Daffy Duck and Porky Pig interacts with Leon Schlesinger, the animation producer.
And Gene Kelly dances with Jerry Mouse from Tom & Jerry in the musical "Anchors Aweigh" from 1945, that's another classic.
Mary Poppins (64)
They definitely have a "the making of." I remember seeing it not long after this movie came out. The level of effort and detail they put in was mind-blowing even by the standards of the day with practical effects.
Harvey is a film where Jimmy Stewart's best friend is an invisible rabbit, you are correct. It's also great and you should watch it next time you want an old film.
Frank Capra was a genius.
100% agree. Probably my favourite movie of all time.
Ya, I'm familiar with the movie enough to know Harvey is Jimmy Stewart's imaginary/ invisible rabbit, but I've never seen it either. I've seen very few movies made b4 1970. One of these days I'll make a list and watch more of the old classics. U guys say that Harvey is worth it, so I'll add that to the list as well
At the beginning, they said the movie takes place in 1947. Harvey did not come out until 1950. Just a little timing error, but I thought it was interesting.
Contact was a movie adapted from a Carl Sagan novel which stars Jodie Foster and Mathew McConaughey. It is about space and aliens contact. It is well worth watching.
She avoided reading about the premise, yet you told her anyway. lol
@@ThreadBomb Not really, but I don't think she looked at the poster either.
Also IMO, on of the few adaptations where the film is better than the book.
You all know the movie, right? You know it’s far more than that, right?
27:30 - The elevator operator is Droopy Dog.
This movie was a big deal when it came out for including characters from so many different studios. There are also some Roger Rabbit shorts that were shown before other movies, like Tummy Trouble, Roller Coaster Rabbit and Trail Mix-Up, all using the original voice actors.
Bob Hoskins, brilliant British actor, completely immersed himself in Noir for this movie. He IS Sam Spade, he IS Phillip Marlowe. I would love to see you guys reacting to more Noir films! The Maltese Falcon, The Big Sleep, Kiss Me Deadly, LA Confidential, The Spanish Prisoner, even Wild Things Florida Noir!
And He IS Mario Mario!
Rob Zemekis DID direct and produce "Contact" with Jodi Foster and it is a really underrated film.
I love that movie, it's a gem, they totaly should react to it
I'm glad to see so many commenters here recommending that one, I love it but it seems like a lot of people have forgotten it lately.
Another movie that mixes animation and live-action is "Cool World" by Ralph Bakshi. (Also more adult-themed)
Bakshi is also famous for his animated features "Fritz the Cat", "Fire and Ice" and the first "Lord of the Rings" adaptation.
Cool World also answers their question about what happens if toons & humans get together!
Was going to mention this one if no one else did. One of Brad Pitt's first movies. It's a relatively unknown film, with perhaps good reason (meaning it's not very good).
Ya, but Cool World didn't put much into their budget. The writing was sub-par. The animation didn't blend with real world seamlessly the same as Roger Rabbit. But, I did see Cool World and tho didn't think it was very good, i didn't mind watching it. I'm glad I saw it because the concept was good and it was different for sure.
@@glenmcdonald375 that’s because Ralph Bakshi sold paramount a much different script than what was shown on screen so when production started he was given a completely different script that was rewritten by two anonymous writers from paramount his script was an r rated horror movie paramount toned it down to a pg-13 rating
Bakshi was a hack, and ripped off the original creators upon which his projects are based.
"I'm not bad. I'm just drawn that way". Best line ever.
Also one of the most genius effects in this movie that undeniably helps sell the belief that Roger is in the room is during the scene where Eddie is trying to saw off the handcuffs and the light is swinging back and forth and the animators create the shadow on Roger to make it believable that he's in the scene.
These days it's standard. Back then it was next level
The "making of" that came with this movie's dvd was incredible, 45 minutes of greatness!
Worth a like for the thumbnail alone lol
Fun fact: At the end you mention Jessica Rabbit's "performance model" (basically the stand in for the actors to act against in scenes), Betsy Brantley. Youve seen her in something else too, actually on screen - she played little Fred Savage's mom in Princess Bride.
"Shave and a haircut - two bits!" Two bits was slang for a quarter, so the service cost twenty-five cents. :)
No CGI in this film. The animation was all drawn in by hand after doing the live-action filming!
When this was first released on home video a lot of teenage boys spent a lot of time very carefully examining the car crash scene, trying to figure out if Jessica Rabbit was wearing any underwear.
I think this is still the only time you see Warner Bros. and Disney Cartoons in the same movie.
This is not the only, or even the first time, they had cartoon animation and live action together, it was never done so seamlessly before.
I love the thumbnail with you as Jessica Rabbit!
I was a kid when this came out and I remember that the Disney Channel would broadcast a bunch of BTS specials about how they filmed it because it was really like nothing ever done before to that level. I remember my mom took me to the theater because my grandfather recommended it a lot because he'd already seen it, and my grandfather wasn't the kind of guy who watched cartoons.
The EXTENT of the integration between cartoons and live action characters/props was absolutely mind-blowing when this came out...and remains astonishing to this day! Others have already noted that mixing animation with live action certainly wasn't new (Mary Poppins and others), but Zemeckis and his team really went the extra ten miles with the lighting and the shading and the translucencies and the on-set mechanical rigs used to create the actual interactions. The animators were charged with painting over the filmed rigs...and, remember, all the animation was hand-drawn! No CGI.
There are, of course, lots of videos on TH-cam going over various aspects of how everything was accomplished. You might also want to consider locating a secondhand copy of the Aug. '88 issue of Cinefex magazine (R.I.P.) - issue #35, I believe - in which it's ALL explained in great and glorious detail with lots of cool color photos. :)
Please watch SHORT CIRCUIT from 1986!
I loved all the little behind the scene details. Like, every major cartoon had to share dialogue and screentime with their counterpart. Bob Hoskins bts footage of the stunts he part in like the last routine was great.
I'm not sure if anyone has mentioned it but this movie is very different from the book it's based on, though when the author saw the movie he absolutely loved it. So much so he wrote another book that retconned the first as a dream and made the characters more like the ones in the movie.
Simone showing her knowledge big time here. Also loved her "oh, wow" look she gave when they entered Toon Town. 😂
I saw this film in a movie theater when it came out. It was jaw dropping !
BTW, you should definitely still watch Contact. A great film !
Simone's face when the toons started singing in Toon town was great.
I believe Corridor has covered some of how they made this movie. they actually did a lot of practical effects to create the illusion of them interacting with the toons. The car was an actual go cart type thing that they drove around.
I remember watching this as a child (I was an 80's kid) and being AMAZED! This film, Terminator 2 & The Matrix are the 3 films throughout my life that were game-changers in terms of special effects -x-
You forgot Jurassic Park, but other than that you're spot on.
i'm 38 and i'm still amazed at this film, it's been a favourite of mine since i was 5
"Contact" is an awesome movie! I highly recommend checking it out. Also, loved the intro this time. Laughter is contagious. Glad to see you guys really liked this movie too. It was one of my favorites growing up.
I lived in Socorro, NM (home of the Very Large Array radio telescope) when they filmed Contact. It was a big deal for the little town.
That is a brilliant film with a really interesting premise..
I was 5 when this came out and I saw it with my entire family. Christopher Loyd's character was incredibly shocking and disturbing as an evil vilian to a 5 year old. Even worse than the bad guy Orson Wells played in The Muppet Movie, who put Kermit in danger of being sacrificed for his legs as meal!
Also, the behind-the-scenes for this movie is a must watch! One of the coolest scenes is how they did the penguins carrying trays and stuff at the club. Set was built off the ground by 6 feet and they were walking around underneath with trays on sticks stopping at tables so people could pick up drinks, then it was all animation after that making everything seamless. Floating objects like guns and things had strings going up to puppeteers moving them around and animators filled in everything else later. It's amazing what they did with this movie! Even the shaking benches at the piano were being bounced around from above with wires while the toons were playing and they animated it later. They had stand-in placeholder models for actors on some scenes to help visualize and a lot of the actors actually went to mime school to make it more realistic!
I first saw this when I was six so some of this went over my head, but it's a very socially conscious movie. The Toons are portrayed as an oppressed racial minority. They work as entertainers, janitors, and delivery men, but they're always working for humans and they work for peanuts. They're never the boss. (Baby Herman is the odd man out; as a genuine star, he gets a human nanny.) They live in a ghetto, which has been slated for destruction. When accused of crimes, they don't even have a pretense of due process. "Every Toon knows you can go to Valiant and Valiant" means there were no other private investigators who would work for toons, certainly none of the Valiants' quality. There's no tedious moralizing--it's just an honest depiction of an unfair world.
The Red Car takeover plot was loosely based on the General Motors streetcar conspiracy. The idea is the automobile industry dismantled public transit and that's why traffic in LA is a mess. Though the transit in LA is actually pretty decent; I think they're just bitter it's not as good as New York, but who wants to be in a subway when the big one hits?.
Glad you brought that up.
This movie is so much better than Space Jam, hahaha. Combinations of animation and life action had been done before when this movie came out, but not this well... nor has it ever been done this well ever since. Other movies that tried to do the same: Mary Poppins, Bedknobs and Broomsticks, Cool World.
"I'm gonna ram 'em"
Not only does it sound funny but it's actually a shout out to Biff Tannen who says the same thing during the car/skateboard chase in the 1st Back to the Future. And youre right about the tunnel, another Zemekis call back 🤣
It wasn't Disney that came up with the movie. They only agreed to have their characters in it as long as they as much time in the movie as the other cartoons who weren't from Disney.
This movie is the reason he was asked to be the director of Forest Gump, originally it was supposed to have an animated element along with the live action. He agreed to do the movie only if they got rid of the animated part because he knew how much of a pain in the butt it was to do. lol
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@ 20:30 That's exactly right Simone. It was also used by Andy in The Shawshank Redemption to describe his phantom character Randall Stevens to Red. "Harvey" (1950) is an old, nice comedy you guys would enjoy and also stars Josephine Hull who plays Jimmy Stewart's older sister and she won a well deserved Best Supporting Oscar doing it. @ 21:39 It's actually "two bits" a bit being 12.5 cents in the US and Canada making two bits 25 cents, back in the day. And definitely do "Contact"! Zemeckis did direct it and all I'll tell you about it is it's based on a scifi novel Dr. Carl Sagan wrote a few years after his awesome 1980 "Cosmos" science series on TV. He made sure the story in his novel was based on scientific facts at the time around a fictional story, so he made "contact" 😁 with a good friend of his Prof Kip Thorne of CalTech (and co-producer on Interstellar) for advice on that, as Sagan explained on one of the Cosmos 1990 update episodes. An excellent science series you guys would like BTW. 😎👍
Harvey has been on multiple lists of best movies all time and it's recommended. As for 2 bits, it goes back to early America when people would use Spanish gold instead of Americwn money because the economy was lousy. Spanish dollars were cut into 8 pieces of which 2 made a quarter. Hence many pirate games will reference 'pieces of eight. "It is also one reason why the stockmarket still uses fractions.
@@bobbybobbatunday9959 Thanks for that. Heard the term 'pieces of eight' in pirate lore, but not how it came about and you're right that stock pricing is in eighths. That's another interesting thing about the number 8 in nature. 👍
One of my favorite movies. When I was a kid, I called this one of my forever movies. That basically meant I never got bored of rewatching it.
Cool World is a more adult style film where people live amongst animated characters and starred Brad Pitt. It was good, but this one is always amazing.
Also, if you guys like old style movie effects, you should watch F/X and its sequel F/X 2. They aren't animated, but they are suspense thrillers where the main character uses his talents as a special effects artist to escape from people trying to kill him. They're okay movies in their own stead, but more than that, they showcase many of the special effects movies of the time used. It's like a super entertaining way of seeing how special effects were made before 3D rendering.
I just noticed this...The "He calls it the dip" guy @13:47 is the guy that Darth Vadar chokes in the OG Star Wars :)
The most difficult scene to animate was Roger under the swinging lamp. Animators still use the term "bumping the lamp" for something seemingly impossible done in animation.
A bit was $0.125, so 2 bits is $0.25. The US had some weird coin denominations back in the day.
The "dip" is a mixture of paint thinners that animators used to clean their brushes in the ink-and-paint days of cartoons.
Spielberg managed to twist Warner's arm to get the Looney Tunes characters in this film. The deal was that they have the same amount of screen time as their Disney counterparts, which is why you never see them alone on screen much.
The novel this is based on is an allegory for the treatment of black entertainers in Hollywood and the gentrification of Southern California by demolishing largely minority neighborhoods for highways
Not coincidentally, when creating the units for digital storage, you know, bits and bytes, there was some call back to this. Because 2 bits = 0.25 bytes, so 2 bits is still a quarter.
Really, so much of the movie was a basic animation challenge. In the documentary they talk about how they broke the unspoken rule of not moving the camera. Animation is usually cels of the characters being animated over a non-moving background. If the background moves, then the animators have to animate each part of the camera move as the background changes. To be fair, that's a lot easier here, since the background is generally live-action plates, but Williams also does this constantly during the opening short.
This is such an incredible movie. I used to watch it over and over again when I was 5. The animation is so seamless for 1988 I'm slightly horrified at how the working conditions must have been.
Also that thumbnail, jesus christ.
This movie so ahead of its time when it was released. It just blew us all away. I am still impressed when I watch it, the cartoon & live action meshed together so well.
I was lucky enough that I saw this opening weekend in 1988, Odeon, Leicester Square, London up in the nose bleed section!!
I was about 8/9 at the time on a weekend away with my family through the company my mom worked for social club type thing ( day trips to flower shows, theme park type things ) and even after all these 30 odd years later, I still maintain it is the greatest animated film ever made and definitely makes my top 10 every single time!
Glad yall got to enjoy this absolutely groundbreaking film! No other film has done it as well before or since. Really rewatchable just to see all the ways the physical world interacts with the animated.
Robert Zemeckis movies... Well, one that springs to mind when you mentioned Kathleen Turner is Romancing the Stone which is a fun movie to watch, and I guess you could also kind of count Cocoon, which Zemeckis was fired from, but is a great movie in spite of that little issue...
There is a tragic story behind that movie. Imagine the great films we could have had if it wasn't for that car crash.
Cocoon is very good, good luck finding it.
Fun fact:
For the chase scene with Benny the Taxi, they had Bob Hoskins drive a custom built kart, and just animated over that. The kart itself was just about a seat on a frame and some wheels.
i saw this as a kid in theaters and I honestly had no idea that Bob Hoskins wasn't American until years later when I heard him in an interview. This never gets old and I swear I wish they could do this kind of collaboration again
"Cool World" is similar to this but, as a Ralph Bakshi movie, it's much more adult oriented. It does has Brad Pitt in it though.
Cool World is absolutely dumb though lol.
They've been doing live-action + animation style in films for quite a while before. Roger Rabbit is just the first to take it to such a high degree.
Bedknobs and Broomsticks (1971)
Mary Poppins (1964)
Song of the South (1946)
Anchors Aweigh (1945)
All these had segments with live action actors interacting with animated characters. Though I'm sure there were movies that did it even earlier than that.
"New adventures of Huckleberry Finn" (1968-1969) - Show used three live action main characters out on exotic adventures amongst Hanna Barbara style animated worlds.
Pretty fun show for its time.
Yup yup. The penguins serving drinks at the club in this movie were taken from Mary Poppins. Walt Disney's first film with live action and animated characters interacting was Alice's Wonderland from way back in 1923.
"Pete's Dragon"
Ya, but Roger Rabbit was the first to truly blend interactions of humans/ real world with the animations. All the older ones didn't have the cartoons touching the humans/ real world and if they did it didn't look real
That squeaky shoe is visually one of most disturbing deaths in all of movies. Still remember it from when I was kid.
Great thumbnail and one of the great movie lines. “Simone isn’t bad, she’s just drawn that way.”
@@poolhall9632 Really...interesting.
Great stuff, plus George's thumbnail game has been improving all the time. The one for this reaction is hilariously on point(s)!! 👌😄
And Zemeckis DID direct Contact, and was also a producer on it - it's a great film, one of my faves, although some people seem ambivalent about it because it plays on religion vs science, which although always subjects that people have strong views about, was possibly less in your face polarising/political in the 90s.
@My content is gold, Jerry. Gold! The fruits of his labor have not gone unenjoyed by many of us.
You guys need to watch Clue. You'd love it.
Usually toons and people dont get along, so it was nice to see them come together to make a great movie.
Combining live action with animation is actually something that’s been done almost since animation has existed. The Alice Comedies of the Iwerks Disney company in the 1920s is a great example of early live action/animation integration. Mary Poppins was another great example after the technique had been further refined from years of practice. This movie was the first time this degree of direct physical interaction between real people and cartoons was possible. Although computers often make it possible for actors to interact with creatures or characters that don’t actually exist, this movie is still amazing because of the tricks involved in getting it all to work so convincingly. It’s also a time capsule of how Spielberg was once such a massively huge name in show business that he could get Disney and Warner Brothers to work together on a project like this. It will never, ever, ever happen again.
Another similar movie was “Cool World”. Cartoon with real people. Main star was Brad Pitt
Simone is progressively losing her mind. I love it? 🤣
There are some wonderful fun facts about this movie: for one, very few first-time viewers recognize Jessica's voice was Kathleen Turner, because she was uncredited in the initial release. For another, this was and I believe still is the only time Bugs Bunny and Mickey Mouse have shared the screen, because Warner Bros. and Disney are direct competition. This was before every production company had their own streaming service and became super protective of their characters. Apparently the heads of both studios realized just how cool that moment would be and how much their fans would love it. Can't imagine them doing that today.
The book it’s based on is called “Who Censored Roger Rabbit?” and while it’s generally similar in tone and concept, it’s also a lot darker-Roger is actually killed at the beginning and his spirit guides Eddy to solve his own murder. Instead of animated cartoons, the characters are basically models for comic strips, and so on. It was clever but the movie was far better than the book IMO, which I know is a rarity.
you NEED to watch documentaries about how they made this film. Pre-CGI, the amount of planning and work they did was unbelievable. Even the actors had to manipulate objects in realtime to keep the facade - for example the cuffs on Eddie - Bob Hoskins had to operate those himself to make sure they were in the right position at all times.
I've never heard George laugh so dirtily as when Eddie Valiant accidentally head-bumped Jessica Rabbit's boobs! Love it 😁
This film is essentially a semi-animated remake of Chinatown, and while I do remember it being marketed at least partly to kids, it was released by Touchstone, which was Disney's more adult-oriented production house. I love the balance between adult and kid appeal: they didn't often pander to one age bracket in those days, so if a film didn't have too much swearing, gore or actual nudity, it'd probably get a PG certificate!
And yeah, on the technical side this film is amazing! The amount of work that went into both the animation and the visual effects is mindblowing, and honestly I don't think it would have half the appeal of they'd have been able to use CGI to create the illusions. This is one of the last great hand-made films and still stands the test of time.
It's based on 50's detective cliches. About the only thing it shares with Chinatown is that IIRC is that water rights were up for grabs in that film.
"I'm not bad I'm just drawn that way" -- Jessica Rabbit
Everyone talks about the genius of the mix of cartoon & live actors, but no one notices the genius of the juxtaposition of the brightly sunshiney color & silliness of cartoons against a story that is pure film noir.
The lady that did the original voice work for Betty Boop was Mae Questle. She was still alive when they made this movie and they brought her back for this. She had one more role after this, Aunt Bethany in Christmas Vacation
"Contact" (1997) is based on a book by Carl Sagan, starring Jodie Foster and Mathew McConaghey. IMDb rating: 7.5/10
Definitely worth seeing!
I can't find any comment on it, but yes, that is the exact same tunnel from Back to the Future 2. Well done, guys.
"Who voiced Roger Rabbit?"
Charles Fleischer, who was on set every day in red overalls so Bob Hoskins would be able to act against him in person. Flesicher is know for several 80s/90s horror movies like Nightmare on Elm Street and the excellent Tales from the Crypt: Demon Knight I hope that you guys get to
I love this movie and I loved your reaction to it! You bit on the misdirection in the middle just like you were supposed to. Great presentation.
I'm so glad you liked this flick... 'tis my favorite comedy of all time, but I *am* a bit biased: my cousin was a matte artist for this movie and did some of the artwork for the dark alley in Toontown.
Anyhoo, I always look forward to your reactions, and your commentary. You two are quite insightful and your reaction to this flick put a much-needed smile on my face... =) Thank you...
I believe they used rotoscoping to make the toons interact with the real world characters. That's where they have a real person doing the touching and moving of clothes, and then the animators basically trace over the real persons arms in every frame and draw the character on top. It's not as easy a technique as it sounds though, because you have to edit _out_ the real arms and the rest of the real person before layering the animation on top of the live action stuff. And this was back in 88 before everything went fully digital so I bet a _lot_ of work was done with physical film reels and the cutting room ... like hundreds and hundreds of hours of it. Nevermind the hours it took to animate every single frame of the movie. Honestly the team behind this movie did _such_ an awe-inspiring job and I bet they didn't get paid _nearly_ as much as they should have for that level of talent and skill.