I have been carpfishig for more than 60 years, especially in the 80s there were a lot of new developments and also the carp fisheries where they put 500 carp over 30 pound in a small to middle big lake. I never fished is this kind of lakes I am only fishing in open water what is much more difficult but give me much more satisfaction. My whole life, I am fishing with a running rig without swingers what is for me the best system the only downside is when you have a lot of snags underwater than the best option is a lead clip and the use of swingers to get a good drop back registration. Using a running rig will also give you a better registration on small fish and when fishing with braid especially on distances over 300 mtr. I love this TH-cam channel and also Matthew he is very serious, maybe a little too much, but I like him a lot, and he is a real professional and a pleasure to listen to him
hi matt, I got this system from nash in england because it was unavailable in germany for a long time. this autumn I will be testing it for the first time. I'm excited. I also modified the system to fish with a rubber band and stones. when the carp runs or makes its first strong movement, the stone comes out of the rubber band and the fish is not affected by the weight. 300-400g is no problem, but of course it has to be brought out with a bait boat or boat. it's an alternative to the korda heli safe, which I also use with stones. I don't think lead in the water is that great. greetings from germany and tight lines
Dear Matt many many thanks for the advice , I tried this Nash system in France while I was trying to catch big carp and it really worked like a charm. In combination with a barbless hook, I had a single but a very good bite ..and boom! A beautiful mirror over 25 kg caught this November. Dish didn't feel anything.This system is awesome !
I spent 15 years making bait for carp for a small local firm, so carp care has always been top of my thought process, this seems to be a win in my opinion, well made and informative vid Mr Collins
@@aarondavies8486 I know it's a contentious topic... and some venues have banned this practice. Last year I did a lot of fishing with 12lb zig flo as a hook link for bottom bait rigs and it worked great! (video coming on that later this year)
📳 I now offer one-on-one tuition by video call. If that’s of interest, contact me directly. 🔥Watch next: Beyond Lead Clips 👉 bit.ly/3XIWo6t What I like about this run clip is that you get all the advantages of a lead clip plus all the advantages of a running rig without any of the downsides. If you only use lead clips in your fishing, this system can turn those random bleeps or twitchy bites into solid takes and you get to keep the lead most of the time. If you use running leads already, you’ll find this system useful on weedy venues and when doing short sessions as you can change leads very quickly.
Your videos are genuinely very interesting and informative. Still, I think it's a shame that the UK is so far behind in carp fishing. There are such beautiful systems available today that are REALLY safe for fish. In the UK, however, this is not yet the case because the major brands do not want to give in. Here in the Netherlands people nowadays fish with systems where the fish actually loses everything except the rig. So the fish not only loses the lead, but also all those meters of line that it normally drags after a line break. It would be nice if someone in the UK started leading by example to promote these fish-safe systems. Think of the 'Central Shocker' systems from Pole Position or the 'Hit & Run' systems from PB Products. Or just always use a helicopter system, these are just as fish safe, because the fish loses everything after a line break, except the rig.
@@aarondavies8486 I do not agree. If a carp needs to 'break' the rig, they have already destroyed their mouths. If you use a montage thats really 'safe', then the carp will lose everything with exception of the rig. In the UK 'fish safe systems' means that the carp must get rid of the lead when it's snagged or when the mainline is cut. After this snap the carp will still swim around with the rig AND all those meters with mainline or leader. In the Netherlands 'fish safe systems' mean when you use a montage when the carp loses EVERYTHING (except the rig) after a line break. It's a shame that the big brands in the UK doesn't want to admit that there are lead systems available that are much more safe for the fish, then this leadclip that is promoted in this video. In my opinion all these leadclips from the big brands should be banned straight away. And I'm talking about the big brands that are setting the wrong example, but I am also referring to the populair and well-known anglers in the UK who do not want to admit that they are wrong with these leadclips that finally DESTROY the fish.
@twincarpNL you obviously not even read my comment you just contradicted yourself like I said if I snap or get snagged all I ever lose is the hook or the rig as you call it and I use barbless hooks so if it does snap thw hook can be discarded easy the mouth damage comes more from inexperienced or match anglers or divs using 25lb hooklink with 12lb mainline matt Collins did a good video on the usage of smaller hooks and hooklink
I bought some of these a few weeks ago after watching this video. Wow, they are fantastic, I was into a carp within 10 minutes. Ok, that was probably luck but, its the runs this clip gives seems a lot different than any other system ive tried.Really worth a try. Once again, thanks Matt
Using them as I type, they are awesome, the fish do not know what is going on Took a little to get used to the bobbin behaviour, but nailed in the bottom lip every bite.
Absolutely, it's a setup I use most of the time too but a lot of anglers still only know standard lead clips. This system is useful for me for short sessions.
This concept is similar to a using a running ledger boom used in shore fishing, with some carpy improvements of course. this method is proven to be very effective, i look forward to trying that at my local lake
Great video as always Matt! Its funny to me that many running clips including fox ones and from the pole position are never designed to work with rig tubing including the fact that many fisheries banned any kind of leader and require rig tube to be used. Thank you for showing us how it can be used with tubing,even nash didnt show it in any of their videos.
Hellow m8 IV been fishing since I was 17 now on a bit 55 still love fishing but finding it all a bit to much as to set ups rigs drop running clips. So on but IV been watching you and IV had to change my hole out stead on fishing and you have made my transition a hole lot better you are a pukker fishing man and make it look so easy m8 should have been a teacher I just wanted to say thank you for your help and advice tight lines Brv. Hoppie..
bought some of these, make sure you buy plenty of leads, lost every lead on take today, going to be changing back to a lead clip and slightly crimp the ring swivel and turn it into a running clip, I wouldn't mind if I was catching 30lbers but only 10-15lb carp
Hi Karl, yes, I’ve found the same thing and mentioned it in the video, smaller carp in shallow lakes tend to give savage takes, and if you’re catching multiple carp in a day, this system is not the right solution, as you’ve found out. I know what you mean about crimping the swivel and I know it’s promoted by some companies and anglers but it’s really not a good idea. If something goes wrong, that setup can become very dangerous for the carp and it’s definitely not something I would want to see any anglers use at my lake. I explain why here: th-cam.com/video/a6WI6Y1o_Xk/w-d-xo.html You can just mount the swivel of the lead on the line and sit it up against a buffer bead, ie just use a conventional ledger rig, or use this extra safe version : Tie a Running Rig You Can Take ANYWHERE (HOW-TO) th-cam.com/video/pSjT2wPKtTw/w-d-xo.html Both are deadly effective.
Your my fishing guru dude I’ve looked through your past videos for a answer ,I’m fishing a lake at the moment with a hard clay bottom not any real amounts of silt to talk of what would be your go to lead setup or rig for the clean hard clay thankyou
Hi mate, I'd probably just use a classic inline running lead setup, see this video: th-cam.com/video/TPCvErlGGZ0/w-d-xo.html. For the rig, you can use whatever you want, mono, heavy mono, supple braid, depends what distance you're fishing and how you're getting the rig out there. Cheers, Matt
Hi Matt, coming originally from coarse fishing, I really miss running rigs in carp fishing as they are simply unpopular or almost a no-go with my colleagues.Sometimes I think they are a bit narrow-minded, but on the other hand they catch a lot of carp, so I ended up picking up many of habits from them. This system obviously gives me the opportunity to fish "something like a running rig", with the option to lose the lead when things get critical. This is what I need! It's about time it got a bit warmer to finally get going.... I would definitely give it a try, as it looks convincing! Thank you for introducing us to this! By the way. How did you adjust the drag and how tight is the line? I'm wondering if it is better to have a rather slack line but maybe a medium to "tight" drag... Or maybe I'm totally mistaken? A short feedback on the basic setup of the system is highly appreciated. Cheers! Alex
Hi Alex, Very interesting to hear your comment as always 😊 There are plenty of die hard carp anglers that love their lead clips and are absolutely convinced that they’re the best and only way to catch carp, I get it. I’ve spent 12 years here at my lake converting these anglers to running leads because they were struggling on lead clips. There are many other French fisheries that see exactly the same results! Good question… I set the drag so that the fish can comfortably take line but the rod won’t go in. Think of it in terms of slightly looser than playing tension. You want to make the fish work to gain any line. This locks the clip into place quickly, and then it’s game on. The clip slides back down to the swivel as soon as the fish is under the tip. In terms of line tension, it can be anything you want, slack, semi slack, back leaded, tight to the lead, it’s the clutch tension that’s key here. Cheers, Matt
Use running leads if u want. I'd bet you won't catch less than others, especially if everyone else is fishing heavy fixed leads. I've fished them all my life and do well.
Need to try that out. Hopefully there not as bad as the Nash Standard Lead clip. My lead was already gone since it splashes the water. The band was in Bad.
This looks really good. I don't like losing leads. I'm not interested in the cost, leads are only a pittance compared with the cost of the rest of our gear. I just don't like leaving stuff in the water that should'nt be there.
Totally with you Bill, I only lost a handful of leads with this system over a year and I do a lot of fishing. This system has a role to play in my fishing. Cheers, Matt
Personally I use pva tape on lead clips this way the lead drops ever time and the tail rubber only holds the tubing in place no need to go over the lead clip arm what holds the lead in place for casting, there's still enough weight for the carp to get hooked but on a shake the leads of straight away, it's much cheaper and fish safety is number 1 priority
Hi, yes, that's the right and safe way of fishing with lead clips. If you ever want to try a system where you don't have to dump the lead on every take then this system is a good option to get into running leads 😊 You don't need the weight of the lead to prick the fish. As long as you use a semi tight clutch and razor sharp hooks, the elasticity of the mainline and the force from the clutch does the hooking. Cheers, Matt
Hi Matt, great video and insight again..I've just ordered some to try. Couple of questions. To allow the fish to run before the resistance builds up and the lead locks, do you need to be fishing slack lines or semi slack? Do you need to fish a slacker or tighter clutch depending on whether you're fishing slack or tight lines to allow the fish to run a bit before the lead locks? Thanks
Hi Tom, I fished this system with a tight line and a lightweight back lead and didn't fish it much with a slack line. You can fish both ways. No matter what your line tension is, the important thing is to fish with a semi tight clutch and rock solid bankside setup. It's the clutch that's doing the hooking for you. The highest I’ve seen the clip up the line is 5ft. When the fish comes in close, the clip then slides back down to the swivel, just keep the rod tip high. I mainly used it with 3oz leads and the clip slides down easily at the end of the fight. Cheers, Matt
Interesting...only issue I have with this is if the carp initially slowly runs with the rig & gets a good few feet away before the lead locks in place, has intended, you are then playing a carp in essence on a really long hooklink with the lead locked & swinging a few feet away, like zig fishing, which with a 3oz+ lead isn't a pleasant experience, have you had any issues with this?
Hi John, most of the time, the lead didn't come off the leader but then I always fish semi locked up. On a couple of occasions, where the clip did come off the leader onto the mainline, I found that as soon as the fish came under the rod tip and started circling, during the pauses between lunges, the clip slides back down next to the hooklink and the problem goes away. It does feel a bit weird when this happens, just like playing them on a zig as you say. This is a small price to pay on a few occasions imo for the benefits this system offers. Cheers, Matt
Interesting little gadget. Can I ask though, obviously there's a convenience issue with running leads - especially in-lines. What's stopping me from having a loop-to-loop connection above the rig tubing, with the loop connection protected by a tungsten sinker that would allow a sliding lead to shoot over it to still be truly free running? Then it's a case of just looping it off, slipping on an in-line lead and looping it back on. You could then have a few solid PVA bags set up with rig plus rig tubing. If the mainline loop's big enough to go over the PVA bag, that would make a pretty quick-change set up, certainly much quicker than needing to remake a PVA bag every time.
Hi Chris, I see what you’re proposing and why you may believe it’s doable but there could be a problem with your idea. The only reason why you’d use tubing for solid PVA bags is if leaders are banned. By having a loop to loop connection above the tubing you have in effect added a leader and a knot which is another potential point of weakness. I know that you intend on using another piece of mainline for the tubing to sit on but it’s still a leader. I think any bailiff would take one look at that and ask you to change it for a conventional setup. Sorry mate but solid PVA bags and tubing just don’t work well together. Hope that makes sense. Cheers, Matt.
After a decade plus of underwater footage, I haven't seen one fish that hasn't instantly realised its been pricked by a hook, running rig or not, they know when that bait hasn't been ejected properly or hasn't been sucked back to the throat within a second, at which then they begin to either shake on the spot or bolt. Never have I seen a fish not realise it hasn't been hooked because of a running rig through, in person or in footage. Great looking clip though, definitely will make it harder to use the lead to eject the rig for sure
Hi, when the mainline breaks, the mainline will slide through the clip. The carp will then be able to get rid of the rig on a snag without the weight of the lead. This is even easier for the carp if you use barbless hooks, which I use exclusively. This is exactly the same thing if you’re using lead clips or a pure running rig. As a fishery owner and an angler, I have full confidence in this system from a safety aspect after fishing with it for one year. Cheers, Matt
What happens tho when your fighting the fish ull have a big weigh in the middle of your line between u and the fish banging around since the lines tight ? Compared to inline lead that would just fall down to the swivel since your higher than the fish
Hi mate, the highest I’ve seen the clip up the line is 5ft. When the fish comes in close, the clip slides back down to the swivel. I always fish with a semi tight clutch which locks the clip on the line sooner nearer the lead. It's not an issue. Cheers, Matt
Nice idea, but i believe your shock and run rig setup (free running) using a traditional led clip is superior. Im more likely to retain an easily removeable lead and am provided with an instant bolt effect instead of needing the clutch to be tightened somewhat as shown here. Interesting video nethertheless
Hi Matthew i see the clip allows line to run through until a straight line of tension is added then it locks off but is there a chance of the clip locking up after a carp has taken 20 ft of line if using a slacker line and then jamming at the top rod ring when netting a fish stuck at 20 ft out and only a 6ft landing net.? I do like the idea though but this would be my concern. cheers and great video.
Hi mate, I’m concerned that you’re allowing the fish to move 20ft away from you before applying tension to it. You can fish this system with a slack line but I would always recommend using a semi tight clutch so that once the slack is gone, the carp has to rip line from the clutch. The tension in your clutch will limit how far the clip rises up the line. I never had this clip move more than 5ft. Most of the time, it stayed on the leader. On a couple of occasions, when the clip did come off the leader onto the mainline, I found that as soon as the fish came under the rod tip and started circling, during the pauses between lunges, the clip slides back down next to the hooklink and the problem goes away. It does feel a bit weird when this happens, just like playing them on a zig. This is a small price to pay on a few occasions imo for the benefits this system offers. Hope that helps. Cheers, Matt
@@matthewcollinsangler Thanks for the reply and the reasoning behind it, with the 20ft of line i mentioned is that i sometime use very small back leads on a steep deep marginal shelf but i assume this would still be enough weight to lock it before it went to far up the main line, cheers Matt and take care. Really enjoyed your video on ditching the size 4 hooks it opened my eyes and i have dropped to size 5 now.👍👍🎣🎣
@@waynesfishingadventures Ah, OK, totally get why you're concerned about the clip sliding away. I fish a very similar configuration when river carping with steep banks, deep margins and boat traffic. I also fish with back leads, and the pressure from the back lead and the drag on the line is easily enough for the clip to lock into place, so imo you won't have an issue. Thanks for the feedback on the hooks 👍👍
I use the lead clip successfully, but I do not lock the swivel, just gently push it in rigidly. When the fish takes it jams itself, and the swivel pops out of the lead clip and the sinker moves freely on the line.
Hi Michal, I see what you mean and I know it’s promoted by some companies and anglers but it’s really not a good idea. In case something goes wrong, that setup can become very dangerous for the carp. As a fishery owner, it’s absolutely not something I would want to see any anglers use. If you want to know more, I’ve done another video specifically on how lead clips can be dangerous: th-cam.com/video/a6WI6Y1o_Xk/w-d-xo.html Hope that helps, Cheers, Matt
@@matthewcollinsangler I think the system I use is very good. If a carp stands in the some kind of grass then after the line is broken off, the carp only has a hook in its mouth, because the lead moves freely on the line in this system. The swivel must not be tightened. This year fox introduces new system called running safety clip kit (CAC803) - its very smart. The advantage of the system is that there is no loss of lead. This is very good if you can't afford to lose a lead. I really like your videos because you pay attention to detail. How a particular system works, behaves in the water. I learned a great deal thanks to you. I have developed a system that works in my fishery at Poland.
Hi matt bloody love your videos , i watched 1 friday while i was on the bank , i used the running lead set up with the nash lead clips you trim down !! Could you use bottom baits on the d rigs you use or does it have to be a wafter or pop up? Thankyou for all the tips and knowledge you pass on through your great content Keep up the good work 👏 🎉😁
Very interesting Matt. You touched on it but would the delayed contact or running style not mean less of an ability to set the hook. Thought that was part of the original Eureka of bolt rigs. I know you’ve explained a head shake can actually go the other way but any thoughts on the bolt action?
Great question Niall. For me, bolt rigs are dead! The carp are using the shock effect to throw the rig. The hook is set by the weight of the line going back to your rod and your clutch. I always fish semi locked up to aid this. Trust me, running rigs will out fish any semi fixed lead systems. There are plenty of other fisheries in France with big carp that say exactly the same thing.
Hi Mark, I wouldn’t use any type of clip inside a PVA bag, you’ve got too much going on. If you want to use a solid PVA bag, just use a running inline lead like I show in this video : th-cam.com/video/TPCvErlGGZ0/w-d-xo.html. The run clip works best with PVA mesh sticks.
Hi mate, depends on what you mean by long... it's not as aerodynamic as a traditional lead clip because it's slightly larger so there will be a bit more drag. I can cast this setup a 100 yards if I need to. Cheers, Matt
@@invaliduser1111 If you need to fish 100m, you’re going to have to use a shock leader and low diameter mainline. If you want to use the Nash run clip, in this configuration, your choice of mainline and leader is critical because if the leader knot is too large, the tail rubber on the run clip will not pass cleanly over the top - which can be dangerous. Other than that, if you’ve got the tools and the skills, then you can achieve that range with the Nash run clip. You might have to use a slightly lower diameter boilie to compensate for the additional drag of the clip. The other option is to use a basic running lead with a large diameter run ring which passes cleanly over the top of the leader knot. I think this is a safer option. Here’s a quick overview of it in this video: th-cam.com/video/NzmQgIiwFI0/w-d-xo.html
Hi Matt, interesting video! Is this clip safe to use with sinking braided mainline and a spliced lead free leader that provides a small amount of stretch ? Or is it best to fish this set up with mono? (I mainly use sinking braid on the waters I fish due to zebras on lake bed). I currently use helicopters on lead core with stiff booms but I am looking to chance to lead clip systems with the use of semi stiff boom between 7-9 inch depending on if I’m on hard bottom or plugging silt. On that, how do you find these fishing in silt? Any advise would be much appreciated. Thanks
Hi mate, 1) If you want to use braid and lead free leader, the run clip will work. I’d fish it with a tight line to the lead as you don’t want the zebra mussels coming anywhere near your mainline. With the run clip, you will be dumping the lead every time anyway due to the shock of the braid but the run clip still offers the advantage of preventing the carp from using the weight of the lead against you on the pickup. 2) I’m surprised you’re fishing with sinking braided mainline in this situation. I have used Spiderwire with zebra mussels but that’s a floating braid. 3) My go to approach for zebra mussels is 20lb Nash Bullet and 10m of 40lbs (0.60) Nash heavy duty snag leader. That’s okay for short range or for boating rigs out but the leader knot is too large for the Nash run clip. The run clip works with 12lb Bullet and 0.50 leader, but that’s the max it can handle and you need to go heavier in your situation. When I need 0.60, I use a Fox plastic run ring and use a Nash heli sleeve as a buffer bead to create a running rig. 4) I’ve caught loads with the run clip over silt. Hope that helps, Cheers, Matt.
@matthewcollinsangler will do matt thanks so much for all the hard work you do that saves me running the same test you do am just waiting on the new dot spod now
@matthewcollinsangler your the only channel I make sure I watch everything you put out for us simpletons lol also I like that your videos are never about selling the next gimmick just your honest opinion witch it a very rare thing these days
Hi this looked brilliant idea and i tried it few times! But twice now i have had a problem with it! If the fish manages to move say 6ft away with the hook before showing as a take and locking up the clip, then when bringing it in as i get it near the net the lead & clip are (as supposed to) have locked but the lead & clip are now touching my end ring! And can't wind in any further unless i slacken the line to allow lead & clip to slide down line this then gives fish chance to loose the hook!
Hi Dave, I would tighten up your clutch and maybe add a light back lead. This will put more tension on the line and the clip won’t travel as far up your line. On the odd occasion that I was playing a carp right in front of me, if I kept the rod tip high directly over the fish, eased off the pressure slightly, then the lead slid back down to the swivel without an issue. If this is still not happening, it may be because you’re using a very light lead. I mostly use 3oz with this system. Hope that helps. Cheers, Matt
@matthewcollinsangler hi Thanks for quick reply and info/advise! Your correct i am using a light lead my syndicate lake is only small hence only use 1.5 lead! Will persevere and give another try as the logic of it seems good, do use back lead but only when fishing in the margins! Thanks again!
Hi Pete, yes, but only if you fish with an open bail arm or with a free spool facility engaged - which is not advised. The highest I’ve seen the clip up the line is 5ft. When the fish comes in close, the clip slides back down to the swivel. I always fish with a semi tight clutch which locks the clip on the line sooner nearer the lead. It's never been a problem for me. Cheers, Matt
If you mean micro barbed hooks, then yes, you can use them with running rigs. I don't use micro barbed hooks anymore and I explain why in this video: th-cam.com/video/v4CFoheE1S8/w-d-xo.html
Hi, thanks for the feedback. I fished this system with a tight line and a lightweight back lead, didn't fish much with a slack line. No matter what your line tension is, the important thing is to fish with a semi tight clutch and rock solid bankside setup. It's the clutch that's doing the hooking for you. Cheers, Matt
@@matthewcollinsangler thanks for the reply just one more question would this be a no no using a braided mainline to a flouro carbon leader in conjunction with the run clip?
@@ashington3212 I have used a setup like this in the past but having seen the horrendous mess that can happen when things go wrong, it’s not a setup I use anymore. I have used the run clips with a mono snag leader 0.50 and 12lb Bullet mono and that works great. If you need to stick with braid/fluoro combo, I’d stick to a regular lead clip and dump on the take, it’s the safest way.
The problem with this bent design is that the clip stays in the place it originally slid to on the take until you land your fish. Which could be quite a way up the line. If you used a simple running rig it would slid back down on the flight and be near the hooklink swivel. Or am I missing something?
Hi mate, I understand what you’re saying and your concerns. I found that by using a semi tight clutch the clip doesn't travel very far up the line (usually about 1m) and unless the lead has been ejected, I find it slides down next to the swivel when the fish comes in under the rod rip prior to being landed. I certainly didn't find it to be an issue either playing or landing fish and my hook to land ratio was 100% during the 12 months of test fishing I did prior to making this video. Cheers, Matt.
Hi Matthew, I have never fished a running lead, always a clip as the situation has allowed. Most of my Carp fishing is in weedy waters back in the NW area, so I tend to use a Heli rig with a drop off system, I'd rather loose the lead than the fish!. I have just started fishing on a very silty shallow lake so I have just been to purchase some of the Nash clips that you're showing here. I am going to couple them with a light Trilobe lead. So am I correct that I should be using this system with a stiff mono?. I only use a slip D with a double 15mm bait, (bottom bait and wafter combo) What sort of hooklength would you recommend, if you dont mind me asking. Thanks mate 😊
Hi mate, you want to use a semi stiff hooklink material, not stiff like fluoro and not supple like braid. By choosing mono, I can select the diameter I need to give me the level of stiffness for each water I fish. Over silt, I choose 0.35mm mono, for better tangle resistance when casting at range, 0.45. If you like the slip D, then try my deadly d rig (th-cam.com/video/Rr4paU5B_r4/w-d-xo.html) which is a mono version of the slip D. Rig length is 6 to 9 inches with a bottom bait. All the best 🎣
Hi there, I see what you mean and I know it’s promoted by some companies and anglers but it’s really not a good idea. In case something goes wrong, that setup can become very dangerous for the carp and it’s definitely not something I would want to see any anglers use at my lake. If you want to know more, I’ve done a video specifically on how lead clips can be dangerous: th-cam.com/video/a6WI6Y1o_Xk/w-d-xo.html Hope that helps, Cheers, Matt
@@matthewcollinsangler Time stamp on the above vid for this specific thing is 11:23. It's not theoretical, either. I've had the rig tubing jam up on fine, silty beds on plenty of occasions. Irrelevant for me with my truly running set up, but it's absolutely enough to jam a crushed swivel lead clip.
@@Mr1980rix Yes, absolutely mate, if you're using a lead clip, the swivel should never disconnect or pop out from the lead clip whether you're using tubing, leader or fishing naked. (see th-cam.com/video/b08z1IToB8c/w-d-xo.html ) Cheers, Matt
Hi Matt, would you say not using the tail rubber with a leadless leader is a better idea than using the tail rubber ? i feel when wet the leadless leader has a little more 'friction' ? or would you say to leave it on ? I bought some of these clips last week to use with leadless leader and they seem like a great idea! thanks for the well explained video as always!!!
Hi mate, to some extent it would depend on the leadless leader you are using. I find the 40lb Nash Cling-on to be relatively thin and smooth and the run clip flies up and down it. I’ve not tested it with the 65lbs version which is thicker. As long as it runs freely I wouldn't worry 👍
Hi Matt...great Video😊Works this run clip good with very heavy leads 8/10 oz on a distance from 250 m? With this run clip i catch my personal best from 26 Kg. Thanks for an answer!!!
Hi, congratulations on your new PB! I’m afraid I can’t answer that question with 100% certainty because that’s not the style of fishing I do but I don’t see why it wouldn't work. The clip is strong enough for a lead of that size. It will be ejected on the take anyway but it will give that run effect initially which prevents the carp from throwing the rig out. Only one way to find out and that’s to try it! Let me know how it goes. Cheers, Matt.
Hi mate, no not quite. I fished this system with a tight line and a lightweight back lead and didn't fish much with a slack line. You can fish both ways. No matter what your line tension is, the important thing is to fish with a semi tight clutch and rock solid bankside setup. It's the clutch that's doing the hooking for you. Cheers, Matt
@@matthewcollinsangler oh fair enough Yh I kinda thought that but wasn’t too sure ! Also have you had the lead run far up the line and locked in position?
@@dericlarke4324 The highest I’ve seen the clip up the line is 5ft. When the fish comes in close, the clip slides back down to the swivel. It's never been a problem for me. Cheers, Matt
Hi Matt, do you have the option on this clip to stop the lead being ejected? I don’t like the idea of leads being dumped at the bottom of lakes. I get the feeling this will be a problem in years to come.
Hi mate, this clip is designed to drop the lead when necessary, so I’d use it on weedy lakes. If you don’t need to drop the lead, just fish a standard running lead (plenty of examples on this channel) 😊
@@matthewcollinsangler - Your videos are always so informative, clear and concise. I really appreciate you uploading them. I’ll have a look at the standard running rigs although I do like the concept of it locking further up your line. Best of luck with the autumn season 👍🏻
I understand your concern but it's not an issue. Use a semi-tight clutch to limit the distance the run clips rises up the line. Once the carp comes in closer the line angle changes and the clip slides down to the swivel due to the weight of the lead. At the netting stage the lead and rig are back together and the netting process is completely normal. Cheers, Matt
Hi Mark, I fished this system with a tight line and a lightweight back lead, didn't fish much with a slack line. You can fish both ways. No matter what your line tension is, the important thing is to fish with a semi tight clutch and rock solid bankside setup. It's the clutch that's doing the hooking for you (like I show in this video, in case you haven’t seen it: th-cam.com/video/ckzalwJuh0c/w-d-xo.html). Cheers, Matt
Great to hear 👍 that’s all I use in my fishing and they’re the most effective IMO. If you’re new to running rigs, you may find this video of interest: th-cam.com/video/ckzalwJuh0c/w-d-xo.html
@@matthewcollinsangler - Thanks, very well explained. I can see the benefits - do you use armour link or mono mainly for your hook links? Also, would you agree that it would be risky using this method (running rig) close to margins? I would be worried about snagging up.
If I’m using multi rigs then I use Armourlink because I can re-use the hooklink many times. I mostly use mono rigs when I’m casting my rigs as I need them to be tangle free in flight. I don’t understand your concern about fishing close to margins 🤔 I fish close to margins all the time with running rigs and it’s not an issue at all. I often connect the lead using some type of rotten bottom connection (a plastic run ring that breaks at a known amount of force or just some thin mono). If your mainline breaks, the line passes very quickly through the run ring so it’s completely safe and if something does go wrong then the lead will break away from the ring. I’ve got a more detailed video on this running lead design out this spring. Cheers, Matt.
Hi Matt, what do you attach the tubing to, to allow it to be pulled through the run clip? When I pull the qc swivel, the line comes through and not the tubing?
Hi mate, as I said in the video the Nash run clip doesn't work great with rig tubing. It’s one of the few downsides. If you can use a lead free leader, that would be better. Or fish it naked (subject to rules). If you still want to use the run clip with rig tubing you need to add a medium sized sinker (no bigger in diameter than the rig tubing) above the rig tubing. Then slide it down onto the tubing after you’ve attached your swivel etc. This will hold the tubing next to the QC swivel and allow the clip to run along it (kind of). Do not use the tapered tail rubber or it won’t run at all. It’s no good thinking that it’s okay for the line to run through the rig tubing. 10 minutes after casting out, the rig tubing will get gummed up with silt and start to jam up. Hope that helps. Cheers, Matt.
@@matthewcollinsangler Thanks for your reply Matt. Tubing is required otherwise would have gone naked. It’s the sinker bit I was missing, top stuff and keep up the good work. 👍🏻
If you're quiver tipping for carp, you don't need a run clip like this. Have a look at what the match anglers use, this clip is designed for specimen carp fishing.
@@matthewcollinsangler Thanks. I was asking because I am just getting back into fishing after 10+ years and I only have access to a feeder rod right now, with plans to buy a carp rod later on.
Hi, could you recommend me good coated semi-stiff braid? I’m looking for one that has durable coating and pretty stiff core. The variety is huge and I can’t decide which brand would be the best. Any advices?
Hi Antonios, totally understand why you might struggle with this one, there are loads on the market and I've tested loads. There's a big variation in quality, price and performance. The only one I use in my fishing is the Nash Skinlink. It's available in either stiff or semi stiff coating, it has a kevlar core which has great abrasion resistance. I use it a lot with a multi rig because you can re-use the material several times. Hope that helps, Matt.
Hi Mark, I'd use a 3oz lead. If you're using a bait boat with the run clip, I'd use a basic mono hair rig or mono d rig tied with 0.40 mono. You don't want to use braid with this clip in a boat as there's a tangle risk.
Another well explained informative video Matt, looks like it works well enough, but as with other lead clip systems it helps to know how they function properly, i currently have to use tubing and probably would have tried it with the tail rubber on! Cheers!
Hi mate, If you can cast it that far, then yes, it’ll work. It's not as aerodynamic as a traditional lead clip because it's slightly larger so there will be a bit more drag. I can cast this setup a 100 yards but I haven’t needed to cast further so I’ve never adjusted my setup to achieve that range. If you’re boating out, it works great, the range doesn’t affect the function of the clip. Cheers, Matt
@@matthewcollinsangler Thanks for your response that's really helpful, it will be dropped from a boat boat, 1 more question if possible how would the bite indication be effected if I were to use a captivate back lead
@@greglewis223 I use captive backleads a lot on the river because I have to but it’s better to fish without backleads if you can. They do compromise bite indication which is exactly what you don’t need. At that range, I would fish bow string tight lines directly to the lead with total confidence. If wind and undertow are an issue, bury your rod tips under the water. If boats are a problem, I’d use the lightest backlead I can get away with (15gr) and slide it out as far as it’ll go. I wouldn’t use a captive backlead with the Nash run clip. You’d have to use a heavy lead at the rig end to avoid moving it when you slide the backlead down the line. If you use a heavy lead with the Nash run clip, you’re going to lose a lead every time which defeats one of the goals of the product. The other option is to use a basic running lead with a large diameter run ring. Works great on regular mainline or if you need to fish with a leader. Here’s a quick overview of it in this video: th-cam.com/video/NzmQgIiwFI0/w-d-xo.html
Hi mate, I fished my local river last year with this system and it worked great, I only lost a couple of leads. I use leads up to 4.5oz as we don't have big boats. If you're using bigger leads, you'll be dropping them on the take anyway so this system might not offer much advantage over a regular lead clip. Cheers, Matt
The big problem I have found with the new nash running lead clips is if the carp takes lots of line before you get to the rod when night fishing will the running lead clip make it hard to land the carp when the running lead clip is under tension and it is locked in place please Matthew could you help me with issue I would be very grateful.
Hi Paul, I really wouldn't worry, I'd always recommend fishing with a semi tight clutch, and this means the run clip locks on the line fairly quickly. The highest I've ever seen one rise up is about 5ft. When the fish comes under the rod tip, and the line angle changes, the clip easily slides down to the swivel. It's not an issue 😊
@@matthewcollinsangler is that pre tied with loops or do you do that fancy stuff ? Many thanks Also not sure that system is on sale in the uk yet but it looks great
@@johnsaundersorsam It's available on 10m spools and it's easy to splice, check out this video: th-cam.com/video/WiqE4u35MK8/w-d-xo.html. That run clip is hitting the shelves this week I've been told.
Hi Don, absolutely mate. I did all my river carping last year with these clips. Whether it's a tight line straight to the lead or back leaded, the clip works great, 100% hook to land ratio. Cheers, Matt
@@matthewcollinsangler Thanks for the reply. I have used running setups for years on the rivers, but always been unhappy with the the amount of line that gets between you the lead, and the fish when it tears off. I feel like your playing the fish back to the lead if that makes sense.
@@donlow9714 I've fished pure running leads on the river a lot and to keep the fish close to the lead, I fish a semi tight clutch and it's not an issue.
I would advise against it. The run clip will slide too far up the line and you’ll find it difficult to play the fish. Semi tight clutch and a solid bank setup works great.
Matthew I have just tried this set up with the components from Nash. I have found that my mainline seems to rise to the surface do I need to tighten the line to the clip or not. I am also using fluo carbon as a main line.
Hi Bob, I’m confused 🤔 I don’t understand what’s happening and what could cause your mainline to rise up. If you were using a popup without a counterweight, it could lift the whole rig off the bottom. If you were using the adjustable zig kit, that would lift your rig off the bottom. The run clip doesn’t affect the mainline buoyancy, it works like a running rig. Whether you’re using fluoro or mono shouldn’t make any difference. You can fish the run clip with a slack, tight or semi tight line, with or without back leads, depends where you’re fishing. Sorry I can’t help more.
@@matthewcollinsangler thanks for the reply Matthew. Tried the rig again this afternoon in a different menu and it worked fine. First time out I was fishing a shallow park lake, maybe the depth played a part in it,probably did. Thanks for all the videos I find them a lot of use hence trying the Nash run rig.
@@bobsanderson8792 I suspect there was a surface film or a bit of weed or algae that was holding the line. I’d just use a small back lead and then tighten down to that to draw the line though the surface layer. Glad that you are enjoying the channel! Cheers, Matt.
@@matthewcollinsangler there was a surface film. Back on the same park lake today put flying back lead on and seemed to sort the issue. I don’t know what is in front of the flying back lead though. Maybe I am over thinking rigs,line,hook links etc I don’t know. Again thanks for the reply.
Hi matt used this last night had two Savage takes with the rod i had it on but didn't lead to a fish literally nothing there as I lifted in. All back leaded down too. Rigs are favs as using new system 1.5oz lead. Anyone shed light on where I went wrong...cheers
Hi Darren, sounds like savage liners to me. You could add some kind of indication to tell you whether you've been done either on the lead system or on the rig, I have that on all my rigs so that I know one way or another. Add a few cms of soft braid to the base of the swivel and then thread that up inside the run clip. If it's just a liner, you'll wind it back in and the braid will still be in place. If the braid has been pulled out, then you've been done.
@Matthew Collins Thats a great idea at least I will know one way or another I will do that next time I'm out .Thanks for taking the time to help.! Really great informative channel ..
All running rigs are good solutions 😊 This running rig setup is good for short sessions because I can swap leads easily. Also, this is better for fishing in weed as the lead ejects safely when needed.
@@matthewcollinsanglerapologies for not watching all the way through I was at work 😂. I think I will try these out along with your universal running rig . Thankyou for your response.
Matthew I have been on your channel and since you convinced me of the dangers of the conventional lead clip, I have come up with an idea that has all the benefits of a lead clip you can buy now, but the lead will always come off when it is snagged. So basically it is a lead clip system that works exactly like a lead clip, you dont always lose your lead in a fight where it does not get weeded up or snagged, etc, but unlike the normal lead clip that in certain scenarios will not let the lead off, this design will. How do you advise I go about this? Obviously it is something I want everyone to use at it is safer for fish, but I do not want to miss out on a monetary gain if possible.
Hi there, the tackle companies are your best bet. If you send me an email or PM via social media I can pass on your name to someone involved in product development. Just bear in mind that there are already various options out there. Nash already have the run clip which does what you describe. There’s also the rotten bottom rig which has been around for a long time and only requires a bit of mono, I show it here: th-cam.com/video/pSjT2wPKtTw/w-d-xo.html. I also have this breakaway lead system based on standard components which I’ve showed on instagram :instagram.com/p/CsoJFuBMfH7/?igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==
When you've used the needle to put the sleeve onto your leader you then attach the swivel, but how does it stay on , just looks like you pass the leader through the swivel and it doesn't tie off. To me it looks like it could just slide off .. Sorry its hard to explain 😂
@@Daedro1888 I'm using a hollow spliceable leader (the Nash cling-on). When the leader is under tension, the outer weave squeezes tightly on to the inner weave and the splice is locked tight. I splice the material to create a loop at each end. The swivel is attached by the loop to loop method. The sleeve that covers the swivel stays in place by friction. It's a very strong and robust setup. I've done a video on leaders: th-cam.com/video/WiqE4u35MK8/w-d-xo.html
I have these clips, I really like it , except the rubber bit which holds the clip's leg. It's quite small and it leads to losing too much lead, without snags. While they call it safe rig, I do not think dumping toxic lead into a lake would be something safe. After losing 9 leads in a day I had to use some heavy duty tape to fix it in place. I'm guilty I know
Hi, simple fix... use a running inline lead 😊 These clips are not suitable for everywhere. Here are some inline lead options if you haven't seen that video: th-cam.com/video/E6q5mwI-I8c/w-d-xo.html
You are far more likely to lose a fish with a semi fixed (lead clip) rig than with any type of running rig. I use a semi tight clutch to hook them rather than expect the lead to do the hooking for me. I go through it in more detail in this video: th-cam.com/video/ckzalwJuh0c/w-d-xo.html
Helicopter rig for fishing over weed/debris or heavy silt, and a lead clip for firm ground your confident fishing over,simple as that really,don’t look into it so much it’s really not rocket science and as complicated as people make it out to be guys 🤘🏼
Back again for a second watch shame nash are moving away from the defusion camo yellowy green colour it's the best thing out there compared to other companies terminal tackle
Hi Aaron, I had a pack of the weed green version which looks exactly the same semi translucent green colour that they used to call diffusion camo. To my eye it’s exactly the same, they just changed the name. Check a pack out the next time you are in a tackle shop and see what you think 🙂
@@matthewcollinsangler I promise you mate if you look at the old shock beads for the heli system in one of your older videos the colour has changed it used to be a yellowy green now its a darker shade of green the chod link they sell is the defusion camo colour a yellowy colour that's the colour the mainline they used to sell called nxt defusion camo mainline
@Matthew Collins it saddened me tbh matt I know just how good it is for concealment the old mainline defusion camo fish would swim in to the line all the time hardly ever spooked the fiah because they really couldn't see it concealment is everything for me tbh that's why the past year I have been buy a lot of the tubing and leaders to last me many years to come have you ever watched the defusion camo leader comparisons in the under water test that nash did many moons ago wow it was a eye opener
Hello my friend. I'm sorry in advance for everyone who's going to be upset with this video. I'm a little confused with this one though. It's an amazing innovation!!! Really I'm going to pick some up immediately. But I think it's true form is the running rig? Why not completely bind the clip so the lead never drops? Would it not be the best form of a running rig rather than an improved drop lead clip system? I know you dislike dropping the lead and I'd not have expected you to be happy with a system that does have that possibility built in? Also any information on how often the lead drops would be appreciated! Really enjoyed this one. Thank you!
Hi mate, Thanks for the feedback and glad you enjoyed the video! Good questions... I would absolutely not recommend binding the leg so that the lead could never be ejected. You’d be relying on the leader and mainline to pass through a very small hole if the line breaks. While that is going to happen most of the time, small holes are easily blocked with debris and it can become a safety issue. Running leads are safe because we use a large ring which allows the mainline to cleanly pass through. You’re right, I hate dumping leads and it should only occur when it’s necessary. I lost 6 leads with this system over a year and I fished with it a lot, exclusively. You get to keep the lead most of the time with this system and I'd rather lose a lead and land a fish or in the worst case scenario save a fish from being tethered. Hope that helps, Cheers, Matt
Hi, if you mean using a standard lead clip in a running configuration, then that’s something I would never do or recommend. I know it’s promoted by different companies and anglers but it’s not a good idea in case something goes wrong and can be unsafe for the carp. If you want to know more, I’ve done another video specifically on how lead clips can be dangerous: th-cam.com/video/a6WI6Y1o_Xk/w-d-xo.html Hope that helps, Cheers, Matt
So most lakes I fish now require rig tubing and different venues require different lengths. The fact it doesn’t work well with tubing will be an issue. Especially in some of my venues have a total leader ban including safe zone .
Hi Matt, with your view on the carp using the lead to throw the hook. How do you feel about lead clips that are very gently clipped in, so will prick straight away but by the time the fish is shaking head the clip has falled away from the swivel and become running? Also how do you feel about heli setups with say a foot between lead and top bead. The fish wouldn't have as much purchase on the lead on a heli it seems as the rig is kind of running between 2 points? Thanks mate
Hi mate, Regarding running lead clips, I see what you mean and I know it’s promoted by some companies and anglers but it’s really not a good idea. In case something goes wrong, that setup can become very dangerous for the carp and it’s definitely not something I would want to see any anglers use at my lake. Regarding heli setups, they’re not part of my angling so I don’t want to speculate on that configuration mate. Cheers, Matt
Hi Danny, I see what you mean and I know it’s promoted by some companies and anglers but it’s really not a good idea. In case something goes wrong, that setup can become very dangerous for the carp and it’s definitely not something I would want to see any anglers use at my lake. I explain why here: th-cam.com/video/a6WI6Y1o_Xk/w-d-xo.html
So let's assume you get a bite, the carp hooks itself. The carp starts to shake its head and move up in the water taking line through the running setup. It takes approximately 2 meters of line, not uncommon for a running system. You pick up your rod and tighten the line, meaning the system tightens itself and is no longer a running system.. Now you have a heavy lead (I use 3,5 oz) at 2 meters from your rig stuck on your line....Not as well thought out as it looks in my opinion.
Hi, I fish with a semi tight clutch, and this means the run clip locks on the line fairly quickly. The highest I've ever seen one rise up is about 1.5m. When the fish comes under the rod tip, and the line angle changes, the clip easily slides down to the swivel. It's not been an issue at all for me in my fishing, and I’ve used leads up to 4.5oz with it. Cheers, Matt
Hi mate, haven’t got hold of one yet. Based on OMC’s videos and posts, for me as an angler, it’s not something that’s solving a problem in my fishing. I don’t fish lead clips and I already have an ‘auto-strike’ system: two solid bank sticks, a semi tight clutch and a running lead. On this channel, I advocate simple rigs and simple techniques. This is adding complexity to a rig and it’s another piece of tackle added near a carp’s head. As a lake owner, there are too many safety concerns on different levels, which I and other lake managers shared with Ali. There are safer alternative options I can help guests at the lake with.
I have been carpfishig for more than 60 years, especially in the 80s there were a lot of new developments and also the carp fisheries where they put 500 carp over 30 pound in a small to middle big lake.
I never fished is this kind of lakes I am only fishing in open water what is much more difficult but give me much more satisfaction.
My whole life, I am fishing with a running rig without swingers what is for me the best system the only downside is when you have a lot of snags underwater than the best option is a lead clip and the use of swingers to get a good drop back registration.
Using a running rig will also give you a better registration on small fish and when fishing with braid especially on distances over 300 mtr.
I love this TH-cam channel and also Matthew he is very serious, maybe a little too much, but I like him a lot, and he is a real professional and a pleasure to listen to him
Thank you very much Martin, means a lot from someone as experienced as you 👍
hi matt,
I got this system from nash in england because it was unavailable in germany for a long time. this autumn I will be testing it for the first time. I'm excited. I also modified the system to fish with a rubber band and stones. when the carp runs or makes its first strong movement, the stone comes out of the rubber band and the fish is not affected by the weight. 300-400g is no problem, but of course it has to be brought out with a bait boat or boat. it's an alternative to the korda heli safe, which I also use with stones. I don't think lead in the water is that great.
greetings from germany and tight lines
Dear Matt many many thanks for the advice , I tried this Nash system in France while I was trying to catch big carp and it really worked like a charm. In combination with a barbless hook, I had a single but a very good bite ..and boom! A beautiful mirror over 25 kg caught this November. Dish didn't feel anything.This system is awesome !
Great to hear! 👏
I spent 15 years making bait for carp for a small local firm, so carp care has always been top of my thought process, this seems to be a win in my opinion, well made and informative vid Mr Collins
Thanks very much Lee 👍
Just about every carp angler angles unsafe in my eyes nearly all fish a mainline at 15lb but then have a hooklink that is 20lb or 25lb
@@aarondavies8486 I know it's a contentious topic... and some venues have banned this practice. Last year I did a lot of fishing with 12lb zig flo as a hook link for bottom bait rigs and it worked great! (video coming on that later this year)
@Matthew Collins thanks matt I look forward to that one just like I do every video you do really appreciate the honesty of your opinions
I love learning about rigs and especially safe rigs. It's well and good chucking a lead system in but knowing the mechanics is great thanks
Great to hear mate, thanks 😊
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What I like about this run clip is that you get all the advantages of a lead clip plus all the advantages of a running rig without any of the downsides. If you only use lead clips in your fishing, this system can turn those random bleeps or twitchy bites into solid takes and you get to keep the lead most of the time. If you use running leads already, you’ll find this system useful on weedy venues and when doing short sessions as you can change leads very quickly.
Your videos are genuinely very interesting and informative. Still, I think it's a shame that the UK is so far behind in carp fishing. There are such beautiful systems available today that are REALLY safe for fish. In the UK, however, this is not yet the case because the major brands do not want to give in. Here in the Netherlands people nowadays fish with systems where the fish actually loses everything except the rig. So the fish not only loses the lead, but also all those meters of line that it normally drags after a line break.
It would be nice if someone in the UK started leading by example to promote these fish-safe systems. Think of the 'Central Shocker' systems from Pole Position or the 'Hit & Run' systems from PB Products. Or just always use a helicopter system, these are just as fish safe, because the fish loses everything after a line break, except the rig.
Smart ass next time, why don't you just use a system with which you will also lose your rod when the carp bites?
@@СтоянСтанчее Winner of the most dumb reaction of 2023 so far👍
@twincarpNL been deleted hahaha but the safest way is a hooklink that is a lower braking strain that your mainline then all you ever lose is a hook
@@aarondavies8486 I do not agree. If a carp needs to 'break' the rig, they have already destroyed their mouths. If you use a montage thats really 'safe', then the carp will lose everything with exception of the rig.
In the UK 'fish safe systems' means that the carp must get rid of the lead when it's snagged or when the mainline is cut. After this snap the carp will still swim around with the rig AND all those meters with mainline or leader.
In the Netherlands 'fish safe systems' mean when you use a montage when the carp loses EVERYTHING (except the rig) after a line break.
It's a shame that the big brands in the UK doesn't want to admit that there are lead systems available that are much more safe for the fish, then this leadclip that is promoted in this video. In my opinion all these leadclips from the big brands should be banned straight away.
And I'm talking about the big brands that are setting the wrong example, but I am also referring to the populair and well-known anglers in the UK who do not want to admit that they are wrong with these leadclips that finally DESTROY the fish.
@twincarpNL you obviously not even read my comment you just contradicted yourself like I said if I snap or get snagged all I ever lose is the hook or the rig as you call it and I use barbless hooks so if it does snap thw hook can be discarded easy the mouth damage comes more from inexperienced or match anglers or divs using 25lb hooklink with 12lb mainline matt Collins did a good video on the usage of smaller hooks and hooklink
I bought some of these a few weeks ago after watching this video.
Wow, they are fantastic, I was into a carp within 10 minutes. Ok, that was probably luck but, its the runs this clip gives seems a lot different than any other system ive tried.Really worth a try. Once again, thanks Matt
Great to hear mate, glad it's working for you 👍
Using them as I type, they are awesome, the fish do not know what is going on
Took a little to get used to the bobbin behaviour, but nailed in the bottom lip every bite.
Great to hear mate, glad they're working for you 👍
Korum bolt and run kits are a viable alternative and something that have been a real edge for me, brought over from river fishing
Hi Tom, I've seen them but not fished with them.
In line lead with hair rig is my favourite go to setup. Nice and simple no faff
Absolutely, it's a setup I use most of the time too but a lot of anglers still only know standard lead clips. This system is useful for me for short sessions.
Can’t wait to try these out. Love the savage takes when using running rigs!!!
Enjoy mate 👍
This concept is similar to a using a running ledger boom used in shore fishing, with some carpy improvements of course. this method is proven to be very effective, i look forward to trying that at my local lake
All the best with it 👍
Great video as always Matt!
Its funny to me that many running clips including fox ones and from the pole position are never designed to work with rig tubing including the fact that many fisheries banned any kind of leader and
require rig tube to be used.
Thank you for showing us how it can be used with tubing,even nash didnt show it in any of their videos.
Thanks very much mate, we’ll try and do more lead setups with tubing, you’re spot on, it’s rarely taken into consideration.
Hellow m8 IV been fishing since I was 17 now on a bit 55 still love fishing but finding it all a bit to much as to set ups rigs drop running clips. So on but IV been watching you and IV had to change my hole out stead on fishing and you have made my transition a hole lot better you are a pukker fishing man and make it look so easy m8 should have been a teacher I just wanted to say thank you for your help and advice tight lines Brv. Hoppie..
That’s absolutely fantastic to hear, thank you very much and glad to be helping you in your fishing 🎣
Thanks Matt , and nice sunday, cheers.
Thank you 😊
bought some of these, make sure you buy plenty of leads, lost every lead on take today, going to be changing back to a lead clip and slightly crimp the ring swivel and turn it into a running clip, I wouldn't mind if I was catching 30lbers but only 10-15lb carp
Hi Karl, yes, I’ve found the same thing and mentioned it in the video, smaller carp in shallow lakes tend to give savage takes, and if you’re catching multiple carp in a day, this system is not the right solution, as you’ve found out.
I know what you mean about crimping the swivel and I know it’s promoted by some companies and anglers but it’s really not a good idea. If something goes wrong, that setup can become very dangerous for the carp and it’s definitely not something I would want to see any anglers use at my lake. I explain why here: th-cam.com/video/a6WI6Y1o_Xk/w-d-xo.html
You can just mount the swivel of the lead on the line and sit it up against a buffer bead, ie just use a conventional ledger rig, or use this extra safe version : Tie a Running Rig You Can Take ANYWHERE (HOW-TO)
th-cam.com/video/pSjT2wPKtTw/w-d-xo.html
Both are deadly effective.
Have to say a very clever design,well explained as ever Matt 👍
Thanks very much 😊
Your my fishing guru dude I’ve looked through your past videos for a answer ,I’m fishing a lake at the moment with a hard clay bottom not any real amounts of silt to talk of what would be your go to lead setup or rig for the clean hard clay thankyou
Hi mate, I'd probably just use a classic inline running lead setup, see this video: th-cam.com/video/TPCvErlGGZ0/w-d-xo.html. For the rig, you can use whatever you want, mono, heavy mono, supple braid, depends what distance you're fishing and how you're getting the rig out there. Cheers, Matt
Hi Matt, coming originally from coarse fishing, I really miss running rigs in carp fishing as they are simply unpopular or almost a no-go with my colleagues.Sometimes I think they are a bit narrow-minded, but on the other hand they catch a lot of carp, so I ended up picking up many of habits from them. This system obviously gives me the opportunity to fish "something like a running rig", with the option to lose the lead when things get critical. This is what I need! It's about time it got a bit warmer to finally get going.... I would definitely give it a try, as it looks convincing! Thank you for introducing us to this!
By the way. How did you adjust the drag and how tight is the line? I'm wondering if it is better to have a rather slack line but maybe a medium to "tight" drag... Or maybe I'm totally mistaken? A short feedback on the basic setup of the system is highly appreciated.
Cheers!
Alex
Hi Alex,
Very interesting to hear your comment as always 😊
There are plenty of die hard carp anglers that love their lead clips and are absolutely convinced that they’re the best and only way to catch carp, I get it. I’ve spent 12 years here at my lake converting these anglers to running leads because they were struggling on lead clips. There are many other French fisheries that see exactly the same results!
Good question…
I set the drag so that the fish can comfortably take line but the rod won’t go in. Think of it in terms of slightly looser than playing tension. You want to make the fish work to gain any line. This locks the clip into place quickly, and then it’s game on. The clip slides back down to the swivel as soon as the fish is under the tip. In terms of line tension, it can be anything you want, slack, semi slack, back leaded, tight to the lead, it’s the clutch tension that’s key here.
Cheers,
Matt
Use running leads if u want. I'd bet you won't catch less than others, especially if everyone else is fishing heavy fixed leads.
I've fished them all my life and do well.
Need to try that out. Hopefully there not as bad as the Nash Standard Lead clip. My lead was already gone since it splashes the water. The band was in Bad.
This looks really good. I don't like losing leads. I'm not interested in the cost, leads are only a pittance compared with the cost of the rest of our gear. I just don't like leaving stuff in the water that should'nt be there.
Totally with you Bill, I only lost a handful of leads with this system over a year and I do a lot of fishing. This system has a role to play in my fishing. Cheers, Matt
Personally I use pva tape on lead clips this way the lead drops ever time and the tail rubber only holds the tubing in place no need to go over the lead clip arm what holds the lead in place for casting, there's still enough weight for the carp to get hooked but on a shake the leads of straight away, it's much cheaper and fish safety is number 1 priority
Hi, yes, that's the right and safe way of fishing with lead clips. If you ever want to try a system where you don't have to dump the lead on every take then this system is a good option to get into running leads 😊 You don't need the weight of the lead to prick the fish. As long as you use a semi tight clutch and razor sharp hooks, the elasticity of the mainline and the force from the clutch does the hooking. Cheers, Matt
Hi Matt, great video and insight again..I've just ordered some to try. Couple of questions. To allow the fish to run before the resistance builds up and the lead locks, do you need to be fishing slack lines or semi slack? Do you need to fish a slacker or tighter clutch depending on whether you're fishing slack or tight lines to allow the fish to run a bit before the lead locks? Thanks
Hi Tom, I fished this system with a tight line and a lightweight back lead and didn't fish it much with a slack line. You can fish both ways. No matter what your line tension is, the important thing is to fish with a semi tight clutch and rock solid bankside setup. It's the clutch that's doing the hooking for you. The highest I’ve seen the clip up the line is 5ft. When the fish comes in close, the clip then slides back down to the swivel, just keep the rod tip high. I mainly used it with 3oz leads and the clip slides down easily at the end of the fight. Cheers, Matt
Interesting...only issue I have with this is if the carp initially slowly runs with the rig & gets a good few feet away before the lead locks in place, has intended, you are then playing a carp in essence on a really long hooklink with the lead locked & swinging a few feet away, like zig fishing, which with a 3oz+ lead isn't a pleasant experience, have you had any issues with this?
Hi John, most of the time, the lead didn't come off the leader but then I always fish semi locked up. On a couple of occasions, where the clip did come off the leader onto the mainline, I found that as soon as the fish came under the rod tip and started circling, during the pauses between lunges, the clip slides back down next to the hooklink and the problem goes away. It does feel a bit weird when this happens, just like playing them on a zig as you say. This is a small price to pay on a few occasions imo for the benefits this system offers. Cheers, Matt
I did think about this too
@@Tommy-jj1kj It's not an issue mate, the clip slides back down to the swivel as soon as the fish in under the tip.
Just ordered some to give it a go , thank you for a good video
Thanks mate 👍
Interesting little gadget. Can I ask though, obviously there's a convenience issue with running leads - especially in-lines. What's stopping me from having a loop-to-loop connection above the rig tubing, with the loop connection protected by a tungsten sinker that would allow a sliding lead to shoot over it to still be truly free running? Then it's a case of just looping it off, slipping on an in-line lead and looping it back on. You could then have a few solid PVA bags set up with rig plus rig tubing. If the mainline loop's big enough to go over the PVA bag, that would make a pretty quick-change set up, certainly much quicker than needing to remake a PVA bag every time.
Hi Chris, I see what you’re proposing and why you may believe it’s doable but there could be a problem with your idea. The only reason why you’d use tubing for solid PVA bags is if leaders are banned. By having a loop to loop connection above the tubing you have in effect added a leader and a knot which is another potential point of weakness. I know that you intend on using another piece of mainline for the tubing to sit on but it’s still a leader. I think any bailiff would take one look at that and ask you to change it for a conventional setup. Sorry mate but solid PVA bags and tubing just don’t work well together. Hope that makes sense. Cheers, Matt.
@@matthewcollinsangler Yeah that's great. Many thanks!
After a decade plus of underwater footage, I haven't seen one fish that hasn't instantly realised its been pricked by a hook, running rig or not, they know when that bait hasn't been ejected properly or hasn't been sucked back to the throat within a second, at which then they begin to either shake on the spot or bolt.
Never have I seen a fish not realise it hasn't been hooked because of a running rig through, in person or in footage.
Great looking clip though, definitely will make it harder to use the lead to eject the rig for sure
Your spot on in my book ! This video seems like someone is over thinking fishing !
looks good but it s not the most safetiest way. What if the mainline breaks??
Hi, when the mainline breaks, the mainline will slide through the clip. The carp will then be able to get rid of the rig on a snag without the weight of the lead. This is even easier for the carp if you use barbless hooks, which I use exclusively. This is exactly the same thing if you’re using lead clips or a pure running rig. As a fishery owner and an angler, I have full confidence in this system from a safety aspect after fishing with it for one year. Cheers, Matt
What happens tho when your fighting the fish ull have a big weigh in the middle of your line between u and the fish banging around since the lines tight ? Compared to inline lead that would just fall down to the swivel since your higher than the fish
Hi mate, the highest I’ve seen the clip up the line is 5ft. When the fish comes in close, the clip slides back down to the swivel. I always fish with a semi tight clutch which locks the clip on the line sooner nearer the lead. It's not an issue. Cheers, Matt
Nice idea, but i believe your shock and run rig setup (free running) using a traditional led clip is superior. Im more likely to retain an easily removeable lead and am provided with an instant bolt effect instead of needing the clutch to be tightened somewhat as shown here. Interesting video nethertheless
Thanks Gavin 👍 As with everything, it's horses for courses.
Hi Matthew i see the clip allows line to run through until a straight line of tension is added then it locks off but is there a chance of the clip locking up after a carp has taken 20 ft of line if using a slacker line and then jamming at the top rod ring when netting a fish stuck at 20 ft out and only a 6ft landing net.? I do like the idea though but this would be my concern. cheers and great video.
Hi mate, I’m concerned that you’re allowing the fish to move 20ft away from you before applying tension to it. You can fish this system with a slack line but I would always recommend using a semi tight clutch so that once the slack is gone, the carp has to rip line from the clutch. The tension in your clutch will limit how far the clip rises up the line. I never had this clip move more than 5ft. Most of the time, it stayed on the leader.
On a couple of occasions, when the clip did come off the leader onto the mainline, I found that as soon as the fish came under the rod tip and started circling, during the pauses between lunges, the clip slides back down next to the hooklink and the problem goes away. It does feel a bit weird when this happens, just like playing them on a zig. This is a small price to pay on a few occasions imo for the benefits this system offers. Hope that helps. Cheers, Matt
@@matthewcollinsangler Thanks for the reply and the reasoning behind it, with the 20ft of line i mentioned is that i sometime use very small back leads on a steep deep marginal shelf but i assume this would still be enough weight to lock it before it went to far up the main line, cheers Matt and take care. Really enjoyed your video on ditching the size 4 hooks it opened my eyes and i have dropped to size 5 now.👍👍🎣🎣
@@waynesfishingadventures Ah, OK, totally get why you're concerned about the clip sliding away. I fish a very similar configuration when river carping with steep banks, deep margins and boat traffic. I also fish with back leads, and the pressure from the back lead and the drag on the line is easily enough for the clip to lock into place, so imo you won't have an issue. Thanks for the feedback on the hooks 👍👍
I use the lead clip successfully, but I do not lock the swivel, just gently push it in rigidly. When the fish takes it jams itself, and the swivel pops out of the lead clip and the sinker moves freely on the line.
Hi Michal,
I see what you mean and I know it’s promoted by some companies and anglers but it’s really not a good idea. In case something goes wrong, that setup can become very dangerous for the carp. As a fishery owner, it’s absolutely not something I would want to see any anglers use. If you want to know more, I’ve done another video specifically on how lead clips can be dangerous: th-cam.com/video/a6WI6Y1o_Xk/w-d-xo.html
Hope that helps,
Cheers, Matt
@@matthewcollinsangler I think the system I use is very good. If a carp stands in the some kind of grass then after the line is broken off, the carp only has a hook in its mouth, because the lead moves freely on the line in this system. The swivel must not be tightened. This year fox introduces new system called running safety clip kit (CAC803) - its very smart. The advantage of the system is that there is no loss of lead. This is very good if you can't afford to lose a lead.
I really like your videos because you pay attention to detail. How a particular system works, behaves in the water. I learned a great deal thanks to you. I have developed a system that works in my fishery at Poland.
Hi matt bloody love your videos , i watched 1 friday while i was on the bank , i used the running lead set up with the nash lead clips you trim down !!
Could you use bottom baits on the d rigs you use or does it have to be a wafter or pop up?
Thankyou for all the tips and knowledge you pass on through your great content
Keep up the good work 👏 🎉😁
Hi mate, great to hear the feedback! I only use bottom baits with all my rigs 😊 No need for popups or wafters.
Very interesting Matt. You touched on it but would the delayed contact or running style not mean less of an ability to set the hook. Thought that was part of the original Eureka of bolt rigs. I know you’ve explained a head shake can actually go the other way but any thoughts on the bolt action?
Great question Niall. For me, bolt rigs are dead! The carp are using the shock effect to throw the rig. The hook is set by the weight of the line going back to your rod and your clutch. I always fish semi locked up to aid this. Trust me, running rigs will out fish any semi fixed lead systems. There are plenty of other fisheries in France with big carp that say exactly the same thing.
I'd only use that for adjustable zigs
Works well apparently, I haven't tried it with zigs myself.
Would u be able to use in a PVA bag, or do you think it would not work properly, great video again
Hi Mark, I wouldn’t use any type of clip inside a PVA bag, you’ve got too much going on. If you want to use a solid PVA bag, just use a running inline lead like I show in this video : th-cam.com/video/TPCvErlGGZ0/w-d-xo.html. The run clip works best with PVA mesh sticks.
Hi Matt, could I use this rig for long casting ?
Hi mate, depends on what you mean by long... it's not as aerodynamic as a traditional lead clip because it's slightly larger so there will be a bit more drag. I can cast this setup a 100 yards if I need to. Cheers, Matt
Good to know, because i was finding lead setup for atleast 100m. Do you know some of these ?
@@invaliduser1111 If you need to fish 100m, you’re going to have to use a shock leader and low diameter mainline. If you want to use the Nash run clip, in this configuration, your choice of mainline and leader is critical because if the leader knot is too large, the tail rubber on the run clip will not pass cleanly over the top - which can be dangerous.
Other than that, if you’ve got the tools and the skills, then you can achieve that range with the Nash run clip. You might have to use a slightly lower diameter boilie to compensate for the additional drag of the clip.
The other option is to use a basic running lead with a large diameter run ring which passes cleanly over the top of the leader knot. I think this is a safer option. Here’s a quick overview of it in this video: th-cam.com/video/NzmQgIiwFI0/w-d-xo.html
Hi Matt, interesting video! Is this clip safe to use with sinking braided mainline and a spliced lead free leader that provides a small amount of stretch ? Or is it best to fish this set up with mono? (I mainly use sinking braid on the waters I fish due to zebras on lake bed). I currently use helicopters on lead core with stiff booms but I am looking to chance to lead clip systems with the use of semi stiff boom between 7-9 inch depending on if I’m on hard bottom or plugging silt. On that, how do you find these fishing in silt?
Any advise would be much appreciated. Thanks
Hi mate,
1) If you want to use braid and lead free leader, the run clip will work. I’d fish it with a tight line to the lead as you don’t want the zebra mussels coming anywhere near your mainline. With the run clip, you will be dumping the lead every time anyway due to the shock of the braid but the run clip still offers the advantage of preventing the carp from using the weight of the lead against you on the pickup.
2) I’m surprised you’re fishing with sinking braided mainline in this situation. I have used Spiderwire with zebra mussels but that’s a floating braid.
3) My go to approach for zebra mussels is 20lb Nash Bullet and 10m of 40lbs (0.60) Nash heavy duty snag leader. That’s okay for short range or for boating rigs out but the leader knot is too large for the Nash run clip. The run clip works with 12lb Bullet and 0.50 leader, but that’s the max it can handle and you need to go heavier in your situation. When I need 0.60, I use a Fox plastic run ring and use a Nash heli sleeve as a buffer bead to create a running rig.
4) I’ve caught loads with the run clip over silt.
Hope that helps, Cheers, Matt.
Been waiting for this one thanks matt mine have just come in the post
Excellent mate, let me know how it goes 😊
@matthewcollinsangler will do matt thanks so much for all the hard work you do that saves me running the same test you do am just waiting on the new dot spod now
@@aarondavies8486 Fantastic to hear mate, means a lot 😊
@matthewcollinsangler your the only channel I make sure I watch everything you put out for us simpletons lol also I like that your videos are never about selling the next gimmick just your honest opinion witch it a very rare thing these days
Lovely video 🎣👌
Thank you 😊
Hi this looked brilliant idea and i tried it few times! But twice now i have had a problem with it! If the fish manages to move say 6ft away with the hook before showing as a take and locking up the clip, then when bringing it in as i get it near the net the lead & clip are (as supposed to) have locked but the lead & clip are now touching my end ring! And can't wind in any further unless i slacken the line to allow lead & clip to slide down line this then gives fish chance to loose the hook!
Hi Dave, I would tighten up your clutch and maybe add a light back lead. This will put more tension on the line and the clip won’t travel as far up your line. On the odd occasion that I was playing a carp right in front of me, if I kept the rod tip high directly over the fish, eased off the pressure slightly, then the lead slid back down to the swivel without an issue. If this is still not happening, it may be because you’re using a very light lead. I mostly use 3oz with this system. Hope that helps. Cheers, Matt
@matthewcollinsangler hi Thanks for quick reply and info/advise! Your correct i am using a light lead my syndicate lake is only small hence only use 1.5 lead! Will persevere and give another try as the logic of it seems good, do use back lead but only when fishing in the margins! Thanks again!
@@daveclark2643 No worries, glad it made sense, always happy to help 👍
So, can the lead get ‘locked’ high up the line ?🤔
Hi Pete, yes, but only if you fish with an open bail arm or with a free spool facility engaged - which is not advised. The highest I’ve seen the clip up the line is 5ft. When the fish comes in close, the clip slides back down to the swivel. I always fish with a semi tight clutch which locks the clip on the line sooner nearer the lead. It's never been a problem for me. Cheers, Matt
Ok, I’ll give em a go and tighten my clutches up a bit. Thanks matt!
Dear matthew.
I have a question on running rigs.
Can you also fish with barbed hooks or does that not works so good?
Thanks for the answer mate.
If you mean micro barbed hooks, then yes, you can use them with running rigs. I don't use micro barbed hooks anymore and I explain why in this video: th-cam.com/video/v4CFoheE1S8/w-d-xo.html
@@matthewcollinsangler thx for the info mate a wil watch the video
Very informative video would you still be able to use this set up with a slack line or would you need to rish it with a tight/ semi slack line?
Hi, thanks for the feedback. I fished this system with a tight line and a lightweight back lead, didn't fish much with a slack line. No matter what your line tension is, the important thing is to fish with a semi tight clutch and rock solid bankside setup. It's the clutch that's doing the hooking for you. Cheers, Matt
@@matthewcollinsangler thanks for the reply just one more question would this be a no no using a braided mainline to a flouro carbon leader in conjunction with the run clip?
@@ashington3212 I have used a setup like this in the past but having seen the horrendous mess that can happen when things go wrong, it’s not a setup I use anymore. I have used the run clips with a mono snag leader 0.50 and 12lb Bullet mono and that works great. If you need to stick with braid/fluoro combo, I’d stick to a regular lead clip and dump on the take, it’s the safest way.
The problem with this bent design is that the clip stays in the place it originally slid to on the take until you land your fish. Which could be quite a way up the line. If you used a simple running rig it would slid back down on the flight and be near the hooklink swivel. Or am I missing something?
Hi mate, I understand what you’re saying and your concerns. I found that by using a semi tight clutch the clip doesn't travel very far up the line (usually about 1m) and unless the lead has been ejected, I find it slides down next to the swivel when the fish comes in under the rod rip prior to being landed. I certainly didn't find it to be an issue either playing or landing fish and my hook to land ratio was 100% during the 12 months of test fishing I did prior to making this video. Cheers, Matt.
Hi Matthew,
I have never fished a running lead, always a clip as the situation has allowed. Most of my Carp fishing is in weedy waters back in the NW area, so I tend to use a Heli rig with a drop off system, I'd rather loose the lead than the fish!.
I have just started fishing on a very silty shallow lake so I have just been to purchase some of the Nash clips that you're showing here.
I am going to couple them with a light Trilobe lead.
So am I correct that I should be using this system with a stiff mono?.
I only use a slip D with a double 15mm bait, (bottom bait and wafter combo)
What sort of hooklength would you recommend, if you dont mind me asking.
Thanks mate 😊
Hi mate, you want to use a semi stiff hooklink material, not stiff like fluoro and not supple like braid. By choosing mono, I can select the diameter I need to give me the level of stiffness for each water I fish. Over silt, I choose 0.35mm mono, for better tangle resistance when casting at range, 0.45. If you like the slip D, then try my deadly d rig (th-cam.com/video/Rr4paU5B_r4/w-d-xo.html) which is a mono version of the slip D. Rig length is 6 to 9 inches with a bottom bait. All the best 🎣
@matthewcollinsangler Thanks mate, that makes sense! I will check out the D rig video now. 😎
Would you recommend using a long rig for this lead setup or would short work just as good
I tried both but I had better results with shorter rigs. 6” worked well for me. I’d only go long if other factors such as weed had to be considered.
I slightly pinch the ring on the swivel that goes in a standard lead clip and it turns into a running rig
Hi there, I see what you mean and I know it’s promoted by some companies and anglers but it’s really not a good idea. In case something goes wrong, that setup can become very dangerous for the carp and it’s definitely not something I would want to see any anglers use at my lake. If you want to know more, I’ve done a video specifically on how lead clips can be dangerous: th-cam.com/video/a6WI6Y1o_Xk/w-d-xo.html
Hope that helps,
Cheers, Matt
@@matthewcollinsangler Time stamp on the above vid for this specific thing is 11:23. It's not theoretical, either. I've had the rig tubing jam up on fine, silty beds on plenty of occasions. Irrelevant for me with my truly running set up, but it's absolutely enough to jam a crushed swivel lead clip.
@@matthewcollinsangler even when used naked or with a leader ? I will take a look at the video thanks for the advice
@@Mr1980rix Yes, absolutely mate, if you're using a lead clip, the swivel should never disconnect or pop out from the lead clip whether you're using tubing, leader or fishing naked. (see th-cam.com/video/b08z1IToB8c/w-d-xo.html ) Cheers, Matt
@@chrispainter827 Thanks for sharing Chris, it's absolutely a real world problem.
Hi Matt, would you say not using the tail rubber with a leadless leader is a better idea than using the tail rubber ? i feel when wet the leadless leader has a little more 'friction' ? or would you say to leave it on ? I bought some of these clips last week to use with leadless leader and they seem like a great idea! thanks for the well explained video as always!!!
Hi mate, to some extent it would depend on the leadless leader you are using. I find the 40lb Nash Cling-on to be relatively thin and smooth and the run clip flies up and down it. I’ve not tested it with the 65lbs version which is thicker. As long as it runs freely I wouldn't worry 👍
Very clever 👍🏼
Hi Matt...great Video😊Works this run clip good with very heavy leads 8/10 oz on a distance from 250 m? With this run clip i catch my personal best from 26 Kg. Thanks for an answer!!!
Hi, congratulations on your new PB! I’m afraid I can’t answer that question with 100% certainty because that’s not the style of fishing I do but I don’t see why it wouldn't work. The clip is strong enough for a lead of that size. It will be ejected on the take anyway but it will give that run effect initially which prevents the carp from throwing the rig out. Only one way to find out and that’s to try it! Let me know how it goes. Cheers, Matt.
Thanks for your answer, I try it and give you a report😊
Can use a running lead with a spinner rig Ronnie etc.
Yes, you can use this run clip or a running lead with any rig (I'm not a fan of spinner rigs or Ronnie rigs).
Great video, as always 👍
Thanks very much 😊
Would the lead clip move up the line while travelling down the water ?
It's not an issue mate, the run clip slides back down to the swivel as soon as the fish is under the tip.
So you have to fish a slack / semi slack line and not a tight line using this setup ?
Hi mate, no not quite. I fished this system with a tight line and a lightweight back lead and didn't fish much with a slack line. You can fish both ways. No matter what your line tension is, the important thing is to fish with a semi tight clutch and rock solid bankside setup. It's the clutch that's doing the hooking for you. Cheers, Matt
@@matthewcollinsangler oh fair enough Yh I kinda thought that but wasn’t too sure ! Also have you had the lead run far up the line and locked in position?
@@dericlarke4324 The highest I’ve seen the clip up the line is 5ft. When the fish comes in close, the clip slides back down to the swivel. It's never been a problem for me. Cheers, Matt
Hi Matt, do you have the option on this clip to stop the lead being ejected? I don’t like the idea of leads being dumped at the bottom of lakes. I get the feeling this will be a problem in years to come.
Hi mate, this clip is designed to drop the lead when necessary, so I’d use it on weedy lakes. If you don’t need to drop the lead, just fish a standard running lead (plenty of examples on this channel) 😊
@@matthewcollinsangler - Your videos are always so informative, clear and concise. I really appreciate you uploading them. I’ll have a look at the standard running rigs although I do like the concept of it locking further up your line. Best of luck with the autumn season 👍🏻
But you are drilling with the lead being a far distance from the hooklink and because of the tention it will stay there?
I understand your concern but it's not an issue. Use a semi-tight clutch to limit the distance the run clips rises up the line. Once the carp comes in closer the line angle changes and the clip slides down to the swivel due to the weight of the lead. At the netting stage the lead and rig are back together and the netting process is completely normal.
Cheers, Matt
Would u use a tight line or a semi tight line,or even slack, to get the best results thank Matthew
Hi Mark, I fished this system with a tight line and a lightweight back lead, didn't fish much with a slack line. You can fish both ways. No matter what your line tension is, the important thing is to fish with a semi tight clutch and rock solid bankside setup. It's the clutch that's doing the hooking for you (like I show in this video, in case you haven’t seen it: th-cam.com/video/ckzalwJuh0c/w-d-xo.html). Cheers, Matt
Informative video, I'll give running rigs a try. 👍
Great to hear 👍 that’s all I use in my fishing and they’re the most effective IMO. If you’re new to running rigs, you may find this video of interest: th-cam.com/video/ckzalwJuh0c/w-d-xo.html
@@matthewcollinsangler - Thanks, very well explained. I can see the benefits - do you use armour link or mono mainly for your hook links? Also, would you agree that it would be risky using this method (running rig) close to margins? I would be worried about snagging up.
If I’m using multi rigs then I use Armourlink because I can re-use the hooklink many times. I mostly use mono rigs when I’m casting my rigs as I need them to be tangle free in flight. I don’t understand your concern about fishing close to margins 🤔 I fish close to margins all the time with running rigs and it’s not an issue at all. I often connect the lead using some type of rotten bottom connection (a plastic run ring that breaks at a known amount of force or just some thin mono). If your mainline breaks, the line passes very quickly through the run ring so it’s completely safe and if something does go wrong then the lead will break away from the ring. I’ve got a more detailed video on this running lead design out this spring. Cheers, Matt.
Hi Matt, what do you attach the tubing to, to allow it to be pulled through the run clip? When I pull the qc swivel, the line comes through and not the tubing?
Hi mate, as I said in the video the Nash run clip doesn't work great with rig tubing. It’s one of the few downsides. If you can use a lead free leader, that would be better. Or fish it naked (subject to rules). If you still want to use the run clip with rig tubing you need to add a medium sized sinker (no bigger in diameter than the rig tubing) above the rig tubing. Then slide it down onto the tubing after you’ve attached your swivel etc. This will hold the tubing next to the QC swivel and allow the clip to run along it (kind of). Do not use the tapered tail rubber or it won’t run at all. It’s no good thinking that it’s okay for the line to run through the rig tubing. 10 minutes after casting out, the rig tubing will get gummed up with silt and start to jam up. Hope that helps. Cheers, Matt.
@@matthewcollinsangler Thanks for your reply Matt. Tubing is required otherwise would have gone naked. It’s the sinker bit I was missing, top stuff and keep up the good work. 👍🏻
Could I use this with a quiver tip? Would I have to have a loose line?
If you're quiver tipping for carp, you don't need a run clip like this. Have a look at what the match anglers use, this clip is designed for specimen carp fishing.
@@matthewcollinsangler Thanks. I was asking because I am just getting back into fishing after 10+ years and I only have access to a feeder rod right now, with plans to buy a carp rod later on.
Hi Matt, assume these are not the best thing to use if a lake requires tubing?
Yes, you're right, it's not the best with tubing. For a tubing friendly running rig, use this: th-cam.com/video/H733RZER094/w-d-xo.html
Hi, could you recommend me good coated semi-stiff braid? I’m looking for one that has durable coating and pretty stiff core.
The variety is huge and I can’t decide which brand would be the best. Any advices?
Hi Antonios, totally understand why you might struggle with this one, there are loads on the market and I've tested loads. There's a big variation in quality, price and performance. The only one I use in my fishing is the Nash Skinlink. It's available in either stiff or semi stiff coating, it has a kevlar core which has great abrasion resistance. I use it a lot with a multi rig because you can re-use the material several times. Hope that helps, Matt.
I’ll try that first! Thanks for answer
what size lead would you recommend? i will be using a bait boat
Hi Mark, I'd use a 3oz lead. If you're using a bait boat with the run clip, I'd use a basic mono hair rig or mono d rig tied with 0.40 mono. You don't want to use braid with this clip in a boat as there's a tangle risk.
Another well explained informative video Matt, looks like it works well enough, but as with other lead clip systems it helps to know how they function properly, i currently have to use tubing and probably would have tried it with the tail rubber on! Cheers!
Thanks mate 👍
Hi Matt, how would this perform at around 120 meters in open water?
Hi mate, If you can cast it that far, then yes, it’ll work. It's not as aerodynamic as a traditional lead clip because it's slightly larger so there will be a bit more drag. I can cast this setup a 100 yards but I haven’t needed to cast further so I’ve never adjusted my setup to achieve that range. If you’re boating out, it works great, the range doesn’t affect the function of the clip. Cheers, Matt
@@matthewcollinsangler Thanks for your response that's really helpful, it will be dropped from a boat boat, 1 more question if possible how would the bite indication be effected if I were to use a captivate back lead
@@greglewis223 I use captive backleads a lot on the river because I have to but it’s better to fish without backleads if you can. They do compromise bite indication which is exactly what you don’t need. At that range, I would fish bow string tight lines directly to the lead with total confidence. If wind and undertow are an issue, bury your rod tips under the water. If boats are a problem, I’d use the lightest backlead I can get away with (15gr) and slide it out as far as it’ll go.
I wouldn’t use a captive backlead with the Nash run clip. You’d have to use a heavy lead at the rig end to avoid moving it when you slide the backlead down the line. If you use a heavy lead with the Nash run clip, you’re going to lose a lead every time which defeats one of the goals of the product.
The other option is to use a basic running lead with a large diameter run ring. Works great on regular mainline or if you need to fish with a leader. Here’s a quick overview of it in this video: th-cam.com/video/NzmQgIiwFI0/w-d-xo.html
Hello matt...i am fishing a big dutch river. How about a running rig there with the current and ships etc??
Hi mate, I fished my local river last year with this system and it worked great, I only lost a couple of leads. I use leads up to 4.5oz as we don't have big boats. If you're using bigger leads, you'll be dropping them on the take anyway so this system might not offer much advantage over a regular lead clip. Cheers, Matt
The big problem I have found with the new nash running lead clips is if the carp takes lots of line before you get to the rod when night fishing will the running lead clip make it hard to land the carp when the running lead clip is under tension and it is locked in place please Matthew could you help me with issue I would be very grateful.
Hi Paul, I really wouldn't worry, I'd always recommend fishing with a semi tight clutch, and this means the run clip locks on the line fairly quickly. The highest I've ever seen one rise up is about 5ft. When the fish comes under the rod tip, and the line angle changes, the clip easily slides down to the swivel. It's not an issue 😊
@matthewcollinsangler thank you Matthew I will definitely give the Nash running lead clips ago mate 👍🏻
Hi Matthew, what leadless leader do you use in this clip ?
Hi John, I use 40lb Nash Cling on leader, it flies through.
@@matthewcollinsangler is that pre tied with loops or do you do that fancy stuff ? Many thanks
Also not sure that system is on sale in the uk yet but it looks great
@@johnsaundersorsam It's available on 10m spools and it's easy to splice, check out this video: th-cam.com/video/WiqE4u35MK8/w-d-xo.html. That run clip is hitting the shelves this week I've been told.
Mat,
Do these still work as intended when fishing a tight line of fast flowing rivers?
Hi Don, absolutely mate. I did all my river carping last year with these clips. Whether it's a tight line straight to the lead or back leaded, the clip works great, 100% hook to land ratio. Cheers, Matt
@@matthewcollinsangler Thanks for the reply. I have used running setups for years on the rivers, but always been unhappy with the the amount of line that gets between you the lead, and the fish when it tears off. I feel like your playing the fish back to the lead if that makes sense.
@@donlow9714 I've fished pure running leads on the river a lot and to keep the fish close to the lead, I fish a semi tight clutch and it's not an issue.
Can you use these with your bait runner on?
I would advise against it. The run clip will slide too far up the line and you’ll find it difficult to play the fish. Semi tight clutch and a solid bank setup works great.
Matthew I have just tried this set up with the components from Nash. I have found that my mainline seems to rise to the surface do I need to tighten the line to the clip or not. I am also using fluo carbon as a main line.
Hi Bob, I’m confused 🤔 I don’t understand what’s happening and what could cause your mainline to rise up. If you were using a popup without a counterweight, it could lift the whole rig off the bottom. If you were using the adjustable zig kit, that would lift your rig off the bottom. The run clip doesn’t affect the mainline buoyancy, it works like a running rig. Whether you’re using fluoro or mono shouldn’t make any difference. You can fish the run clip with a slack, tight or semi tight line, with or without back leads, depends where you’re fishing. Sorry I can’t help more.
@@matthewcollinsangler thanks for the reply Matthew. Tried the rig again this afternoon in a different menu and it worked fine. First time out I was fishing a shallow park lake, maybe the depth played a part in it,probably did. Thanks for all the videos I find them a lot of use hence trying the Nash run rig.
@@bobsanderson8792 I suspect there was a surface film or a bit of weed or algae that was holding the line. I’d just use a small back lead and then tighten down to that to draw the line though the surface layer. Glad that you are enjoying the channel! Cheers, Matt.
@@matthewcollinsangler there was a surface film. Back on the same park lake today put flying back lead on and seemed to sort the issue. I don’t know what is in front of the flying back lead though. Maybe I am over thinking rigs,line,hook links etc I don’t know. Again thanks for the reply.
Hi Matt, baat, and has anyone thought if a waist clip comes close to the sew grommet on a taut line, how to lower it on down?
Hi Jarek, it's not an issue, the clip slides back down to the swivel as soon as the fish is under the tip. Thanks, Matt
Hi matt used this last night had two Savage takes with the rod i had it on but didn't lead to a fish literally nothing there as I lifted in. All back leaded down too. Rigs are favs as using new system 1.5oz lead. Anyone shed light on where I went wrong...cheers
Hi Darren, sounds like savage liners to me. You could add some kind of indication to tell you whether you've been done either on the lead system or on the rig, I have that on all my rigs so that I know one way or another. Add a few cms of soft braid to the base of the swivel and then thread that up inside the run clip. If it's just a liner, you'll wind it back in and the braid will still be in place. If the braid has been pulled out, then you've been done.
@Matthew Collins Thats a great idea at least I will know one way or another I will do that next time I'm out .Thanks for taking the time to help.!
Really great informative channel ..
Hello Matt can this rig set up still b fished with a stiff hinge rig?
Yes, you can use this run clip with any rig except a supple braided rig.
Hi!
Is a simple inline lead not a good solution?
All running rigs are good solutions 😊 This running rig setup is good for short sessions because I can swap leads easily. Also, this is better for fishing in weed as the lead ejects safely when needed.
Well explained video 🙂
Thanks Stephen 😊
do these work for zigs mate?
Hi mate, yes absolutely, you can buy them in a ready made zig kit even with a float.
@@matthewcollinsangler cheers matthew👍
What brand is it? Who makes this system?❤
This is the Nash run clip 👍
Can you use these with rig tubing
If you want to use this with rub tubing, don’t use the tail rubber, I explain why here at 07:53
@@matthewcollinsanglerthankyou!
@@matthewcollinsanglerapologies for not watching all the way through I was at work 😂. I think I will try these out along with your universal running rig . Thankyou for your response.
@@Baron-Ortega No problem at all, all the best with it!
Where can I get it from
Hi Stephen, it's the Nash Run Clip, it's just come out and they're hitting the shelves this week. Cheers, Matt
@@matthewcollinsangler ok thank you mate
Matthew I have been on your channel and since you convinced me of the dangers of the conventional lead clip, I have come up with an idea that has all the benefits of a lead clip you can buy now, but the lead will always come off when it is snagged.
So basically it is a lead clip system that works exactly like a lead clip, you dont always lose your lead in a fight where it does not get weeded up or snagged, etc, but unlike the normal lead clip that in certain scenarios will not let the lead off, this design will.
How do you advise I go about this? Obviously it is something I want everyone to use at it is safer for fish, but I do not want to miss out on a monetary gain if possible.
Hi there, the tackle companies are your best bet. If you send me an email or PM via social media I can pass on your name to someone involved in product development. Just bear in mind that there are already various options out there. Nash already have the run clip which does what you describe. There’s also the rotten bottom rig which has been around for a long time and only requires a bit of mono, I show it here: th-cam.com/video/pSjT2wPKtTw/w-d-xo.html. I also have this breakaway lead system based on standard components which I’ve showed on instagram :instagram.com/p/CsoJFuBMfH7/?igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==
How does that swivel stay on his leader without feeding it back through itself??
Sorry mate, I don't understand what you mean. If you set it up like I do in the video, there's no issue.
When you've used the needle to put the sleeve onto your leader you then attach the swivel, but how does it stay on , just looks like you pass the leader through the swivel and it doesn't tie off.
To me it looks like it could just slide off ..
Sorry its hard to explain 😂
@@Daedro1888 I'm using a hollow spliceable leader (the Nash cling-on). When the leader is under tension, the outer weave squeezes tightly on to the inner weave and the splice is locked tight. I splice the material to create a loop at each end. The swivel is attached by the loop to loop method. The sleeve that covers the swivel stays in place by friction. It's a very strong and robust setup. I've done a video on leaders: th-cam.com/video/WiqE4u35MK8/w-d-xo.html
Who sells them can't seem to find them
Hi Martin, it's the Nash run clip and they're hitting the shelves this week. Cheers, Matt
I have these clips, I really like it , except the rubber bit which holds the clip's leg. It's quite small and it leads to losing too much lead, without snags. While they call it safe rig, I do not think dumping toxic lead into a lake would be something safe. After losing 9 leads in a day I had to use some heavy duty tape to fix it in place. I'm guilty I know
Hi, simple fix... use a running inline lead 😊 These clips are not suitable for everywhere. Here are some inline lead options if you haven't seen that video: th-cam.com/video/E6q5mwI-I8c/w-d-xo.html
Could you lose a fish due to the hook not being set.
You are far more likely to lose a fish with a semi fixed (lead clip) rig than with any type of running rig. I use a semi tight clutch to hook them rather than expect the lead to do the hooking for me. I go through it in more detail in this video: th-cam.com/video/ckzalwJuh0c/w-d-xo.html
Helicopter rig for fishing over weed/debris or heavy silt, and a lead clip for firm ground your confident fishing over,simple as that really,don’t look into it so much it’s really not rocket science and as complicated as people make it out to be guys 🤘🏼
I don’t see the beef with lead clips, if your getting done on a less clip just up the weight
Back again for a second watch shame nash are moving away from the defusion camo yellowy green colour it's the best thing out there compared to other companies terminal tackle
Hi Aaron, I had a pack of the weed green version which looks exactly the same semi translucent green colour that they used to call diffusion camo. To my eye it’s exactly the same, they just changed the name. Check a pack out the next time you are in a tackle shop and see what you think 🙂
@@matthewcollinsangler I promise you mate if you look at the old shock beads for the heli system in one of your older videos the colour has changed it used to be a yellowy green now its a darker shade of green the chod link they sell is the defusion camo colour a yellowy colour that's the colour the mainline they used to sell called nxt defusion camo mainline
@@aarondavies8486 OK mate, I believe you, it's not something I worry about 🙂
@Matthew Collins it saddened me tbh matt I know just how good it is for concealment the old mainline defusion camo fish would swim in to the line all the time hardly ever spooked the fiah because they really couldn't see it concealment is everything for me tbh that's why the past year I have been buy a lot of the tubing and leaders to last me many years to come have you ever watched the defusion camo leader comparisons in the under water test that nash did many moons ago wow it was a eye opener
@@aarondavies8486 Yes, I saw those tank tests at a Nash day at my local tackle shop many years ago, it was impressive.
Hello my friend. I'm sorry in advance for everyone who's going to be upset with this video.
I'm a little confused with this one though. It's an amazing innovation!!! Really I'm going to pick some up immediately. But I think it's true form is the running rig? Why not completely bind the clip so the lead never drops? Would it not be the best form of a running rig rather than an improved drop lead clip system? I know you dislike dropping the lead and I'd not have expected you to be happy with a system that does have that possibility built in?
Also any information on how often the lead drops would be appreciated! Really enjoyed this one. Thank you!
Hi mate,
Thanks for the feedback and glad you enjoyed the video!
Good questions... I would absolutely not recommend binding the leg so that the lead could never be ejected. You’d be relying on the leader and mainline to pass through a very small hole if the line breaks. While that is going to happen most of the time, small holes are easily blocked with debris and it can become a safety issue.
Running leads are safe because we use a large ring which allows the mainline to cleanly pass through.
You’re right, I hate dumping leads and it should only occur when it’s necessary. I lost 6 leads with this system over a year and I fished with it a lot, exclusively. You get to keep the lead most of the time with this system and I'd rather lose a lead and land a fish or in the worst case scenario save a fish from being tethered.
Hope that helps,
Cheers, Matt
Don't bog standard lead clips do this?
Hi, if you mean using a standard lead clip in a running configuration, then that’s something I would never do or recommend. I know it’s promoted by different companies and anglers but it’s not a good idea in case something goes wrong and can be unsafe for the carp. If you want to know more, I’ve done another video specifically on how lead clips can be dangerous: th-cam.com/video/a6WI6Y1o_Xk/w-d-xo.html
Hope that helps,
Cheers, Matt
@Matthew Collins I watch all your videos they are excellent and very thought provoking 🤔
@@mrwaybill9938 Thank you 😊
So most lakes I fish now require rig tubing and different venues require different lengths. The fact it doesn’t work well with tubing will be an issue. Especially in some of my venues have a total leader ban including safe zone .
If you have to use tubing, my advice is to not install the tail rubber. It works great that way, and it will still out perform a lead clip imo.
Hi Matt, with your view on the carp using the lead to throw the hook. How do you feel about lead clips that are very gently clipped in, so will prick straight away but by the time the fish is shaking head the clip has falled away from the swivel and become running? Also how do you feel about heli setups with say a foot between lead and top bead. The fish wouldn't have as much purchase on the lead on a heli it seems as the rig is kind of running between 2 points? Thanks mate
Hi mate,
Regarding running lead clips, I see what you mean and I know it’s promoted by some companies and anglers but it’s really not a good idea. In case something goes wrong, that setup can become very dangerous for the carp and it’s definitely not something I would want to see any anglers use at my lake.
Regarding heli setups, they’re not part of my angling so I don’t want to speculate on that configuration mate.
Cheers, Matt
@@matthewcollinsangler do you think the running lead clip is dangerous because of the tubing bunching up issue mentioned on other vids?
@@Kb11466 With tubing, yes, that can happen. It can also be dangerous if you use a leader, I demonstrate this in the video here at 5:55
I'd prefer to know I'd had a take before the fish has to move 4 oz of lead to get a single beep!
I agree, running rigs definitely give superior bite indication to any form of semi fixed rig.
No need to sell Nash products. You can make standard lead clips running by slightly squeezing the swivel. Works perfectly.
Hi Danny, I see what you mean and I know it’s promoted by some companies and anglers but it’s really not a good idea. In case something goes wrong, that setup can become very dangerous for the carp and it’s definitely not something I would want to see any anglers use at my lake. I explain why here: th-cam.com/video/a6WI6Y1o_Xk/w-d-xo.html
Korda cog system best
I'll stick with the original nash lead clip thanks
So let's assume you get a bite, the carp hooks itself. The carp starts to shake its head and move up in the water taking line through the running setup. It takes approximately 2 meters of line, not uncommon for a running system. You pick up your rod and tighten the line, meaning the system tightens itself and is no longer a running system.. Now you have a heavy lead (I use 3,5 oz) at 2 meters from your rig stuck on your line....Not as well thought out as it looks in my opinion.
Hi, I fish with a semi tight clutch, and this means the run clip locks on the line fairly quickly. The highest I've ever seen one rise up is about 1.5m. When the fish comes under the rod tip, and the line angle changes, the clip easily slides down to the swivel. It's not been an issue at all for me in my fishing, and I’ve used leads up to 4.5oz with it. Cheers, Matt
How about review of the controversial omc twig
Hi mate, haven’t got hold of one yet. Based on OMC’s videos and posts, for me as an angler, it’s not something that’s solving a problem in my fishing. I don’t fish lead clips and I already have an ‘auto-strike’ system: two solid bank sticks, a semi tight clutch and a running lead. On this channel, I advocate simple rigs and simple techniques. This is adding complexity to a rig and it’s another piece of tackle added near a carp’s head. As a lake owner, there are too many safety concerns on different levels, which I and other lake managers shared with Ali. There are safer alternative options I can help guests at the lake with.