I used to ride large motorcycles and never even glanced at scooters. Then, one day at a motor show, I sat on a Vespa GS 200 and I thought I could live with this. It did everything I needed, it was fun to ride, it was economical, I could carry more with it and it seemed to need minimal maintenance. I also loved the look of the thing. I normally changed my motorbike every couple of years but I ended up with 2 Vespas, the GS200 and then the GS250, for the next 20 years. I only gave up riding them when the thieves in my city worked out how to steal them. Shame, I miss riding them.
Yes, twenty minutes on the helix and my 750/4 was on craigslist. Although in retrospect I wish I'd kept it. Who knows? Anyways the Vespas are wildly overpriced, I stick with Honda
Enjoying a morning coffee al fresco on a Greek island several years ago a Vespa glided past with a family aboard. Father was in control, mother was behind him, cradling a baby. Behind her, on the luggage rack were her two other children, riding back to back with their legs dangling over the engine cover. to complete the load a sheep peered out from between the fathers legs. Six riders - one scooter - no problem!
In all my years, I must admit to never being a Vespa fan. After watching this video, I'm still not a fan but I do understand it's significance. Always an outstanding video on this channel!
@@indonesiaamerica7050Yo, I had a piaggio scoot just for running errands in an urban environment in the U.S. It just kind of works. Granted, I later traded it in for something that could do highway speeds, but I had to cover the thing in cases and bags just to match the simple utility of the scoot.
A scooter is more like a micro mini car designed for traveling along congested city streets. It can hold a lot of office or grocery stuffs in the lockable underseat storage. In a motorcycle, you need to haul your various stuffs in your backpack if you don't have saddlebags.
I was fueling my Vespa near a popular biker spot next to a group of Harley riders some time ago. They all looked the part, big bikes, shiny chrome, heavy leathers. One of them walks up to me and silently looks me and the Vespa over for a while. Then he looks at me and says: "You know, secretly we all want to ride one of these!"
I feel the same every time I see a Honda Cub, even when I am on my bigger bike. I reckon they are the coolest bike ever made, yet they are (or were until they made them fancy recently), just a simple, reliable tool.
Back in the day on a scooter forum, the subject was how people would call your scooter a moped. One guy said the when someone called his Vespa a moped, he would correct them. Saying "it's not a moped, it's a post-war Italian lady's shopping bike". Scooter Boy for Life!
Back in the 70s when I started buying Easyrider magazine, I remember thinking it seemed unusual that Harley-Davidson riders were calling their motorbikes 'scooters' and 'scoots', also they called their engine a 'mill'.
One of the most iconic vehicles of all time and when people see a scooter, the name Vespa recalls it for them! Next to the Fiat, its association with Italy is unmistakable.
Great video. I've worked at a Vespa dealer in the past and still specialize in vintage Vespa resto. You really fall in love with the old ones. Their like old vw bugs on two wheels, tons of personality
My Dad rode and Vespa PX-150 and I remember my entire family of 5 riding on it in the 1970s. I loved the Piaggio brand and its associated vehicles. I went on to own the Piaggio maxi scooter X8 200 which shared many of the same design principles of its predecessors. Wonderful scooter to ride! Excellent documentary and great archive footage!
Piaggio had to innovate or die in the 1990's and their decision to redo the Vespa saved the company from cheaper, more modern Asian competitors. These wiped out many US and European manufacturers who simply thought they could keep on putting out the same product, year in, year out. BTW another movie with a great Vespa sequence is Dear Diary (1993) by Nanni Morietti
British motorcycle industry was the classic example of pompous and antiquated attitudes 1969 was the year the bike was Honda cb 750 the day the industry changed ,British literally Would not change and that was it. Whereas Italians absolutely did
I was a motorcycle guy from 14 to about 40. Then I tried a Honda helix, im 66 now, still have my third helix ( flipped 2 for my 07) also have a reflex and i keep a 750 shadow just for slow cruising. I guess my point is, enjoy the simple practical easy going scooter life
I had a 2019 Z900. Went to thailand last year and zoomed around on a yamaha 155 scooter. Came home and unowned the z900 and got an xmax 300. I have some skeletal issue which was making it harder for me to ride the kawasaki. I love my scooter. Its fast enough. It handles well. I can go shopping and get 4 bags of shopping under the seat. (I cannot over emphasise how much i love having storage on a motorcycle that isnt fucking panniers.) My left ankle doesnt die trying to change gears ( arthritis). Love it
When an average italian thought about motorbike in the mid '40s he did not think of Indian, HD or Triumph. He thought of a Moto Guzzi that has been winning races ( Europe and World Championships and Tourist Trophy) and innovating the motorbikes scene since the 30s.
I’ve got to say that was a really nicely presented video. I was a scooter boy myself in back in 1970 and still find them just as interesting today. Thank you for sharing such a thoroughly well researched episode. 👏
My first "motorcycle" was a 50cc Honda Metropolitan. I loved that little scooter! I've always had a soft spot for scooters because of it. Thanks for the interesting video.
Enjoyed the video. I have owned Vespa's, Cushman's, Honda Cub's and lot's of motorcycles over the years. The Vespa served it's purpose for Italy, until the Fiat 500 came about. The little Honda Cub, did the same thing in Japan, but was able to broaden its' appeal to something more than transportation in the USA "you meet the nicest people on a Honda". I believe that all the different Cubs have sold well over 130 million through out the world making it the best selling vehicle in history.
I've ridden motorcycles for 50 years and always had a sort of condescending view of scooters based on absolutely nothing but bias. I was a little surprised that your video was so positive about scooters and their rightful place in motorcycle history. I'm going to be looking at them a little differently now. Excellent well-researched video..as always.
And a twist, a 400cc scooter... I recently got a Piaggio BV400 & though I absolutely love my 2013 Vespa 946, it's 150cc & a little challenged on hills & freeways (on flat, it can go 65, but perfect for smaller curvy roads), but do now wonder if a few folks were shocked that they were passed by a scooter 😅.
@@sus8e462 Some time in the 80's my wife and I were two-up on a BMW on the Bayshore Hwy in the SF Bay area. It was late at night, I was in the #1 lane and a couple of motorcycles were coming up FAST behind me with the headlights shaking a little from pavement joints. I thought it must be some choppers as they often have shaky headlights. I pulled over one lane to let them pass. It was three guys on scooters doing over 70 mph. I later learned that there were 500 cc scooters so maybe that's what they were.
I have to vote the Honda Super Cub is the most important icon in the automotive industry. Not to downplay the timeless significance of the Vespa, and its earlier attempt at a "polite" motorcycle for the masses.
@@helloworld963 My actual C50 Supercub does not excessively vibrate. I have to assume that when you say "Chinese...replica" you are probably talking about a Chinese clone of a much newer step-through like the Honda Dream/Wave etc. To kariudo, you are not wrong, but [insert some insanely long, technical and boring argument here that attempts in its entirety to ignore observable outcomes] something about Japanese mass production scale bludgeoning everything in its path.
@@aaronleverton4221 🤣🤣 so that's your reasoning to prove the super cub is not a copy of the Galleto?? It had a 3 speed pedal operated gearbox and the shape and function was clearly ahead of its time. The super cub only proves 2 things: Japanese back then we're closely payomg attention to (copying) all other European manufacturers and that they had a much stronger production power, selling bikes all over the world.
I have ridden Vespas since passing my test on a PX125 in 1982. Helped form a Scooter Club in 1983 and am still obsessed with them to this day. As they say, once a Scooter Boy, always a Scooter Boy. Great video and all the best from the UK !!
Lived in Europe last half of he '50s and Vespas were _everywhere!"_ I loved and still love the form-follows-function art of them. And the sound of the Vespa 2-stroke engine is one of the first of many engine sounds burned into my mind. My first motorcycle in the mid '60s was a 2-stroke Yamaha 100cc "Tin Twin" as they were called. Rode the hell out of it. Tough little bike.
As a long time BMW motorcycle owner who has traveled across Canada and the US, I have always admired the Vespa for its design and civil attitude. It set itself apart from other scooters and bikes and had no real competition in its class until Honda brought out their version of a scooter. I’m waiting to see if Vespa brings out an electric model. If they do I’m sure it will be special and I will park one in my driveway.
@@LymanPhillips inevitable for urban areas perhaps but, America is too vast for many people to start riding two wheelers. Trucks and SUVs are definitely going to be a deterrent for many you don't even feel safe driving amongst those giants in regular cars.
I watched Luca with my niece when it came out, now whenever she comes over she always wants to watch motogp! That movie sparked a fire in her for bikes and I couldn't be more thrilled
I love Vespas. I have two. a 1979 P200E, and a 2006 GT200. The P200E is by far the most fun. It is a kick start, manual shift, manual clutch 200cc 2 stroke. It's about as mechanical as it gets. It makes beautiful sounds, has a wonderful feel, and requires a LOT of interaction with the rider. And to me that is what all motor vehicles are about. That's what makes them so much fun. The GT200 is a completely different thing. It has almost none of the qualities that I think a machine should have. It is basically a twist and go transportation appliance, devoid of any kind of character. It is smooth and quiet, it has a shiftless CVT drive, it is electric start, and liquid cooled. I still think the styling is beautiful, and wish it had a 2 stroke manual shift engine. It's one redeeming quality is that it is carbureted. It is one of the last carbureted Vespas made. So while it is smooth, quiet, and fairly boring, it is still, for the most part a machine. Just an over refined one. It serves well as a transportation device, both in town and on the highway, but it's not really a recreational bike like the P200E is. After 2006 Vespa went down the road to scooter oblivion, making nothing but computerscooters. A sad end to something that started out as such a cool idea.
I feel the same way about my two - I've ridden the same 2009 S50 every day since it was new and although l love its loyalty (and it's a 2 stroke) it doesn't feel special or involving like my '79 50N.
I have had Vespas since 85 and Lambretta's before that. I've also owned motorcycles alongside scooters. I use the Vespa like most would use a car. Bad weather take the Vespa, short trip, take the Vespa. Parking somewhere where some idiot might knock over one of my nice bikes, take the Vespa. My current PX200 looks like its been to Hell and back but it still keeps going. It gets a lot of use. I can rebuild it in a good weekend. I love my old motorcycles but the Vespa is also special and always puts a smile on my face.
Bart, I love your videos. You find the best archival footage and stills, and wrap them in knowledgeable and entertaining commentary. You, sir, are the Ken Burns of motorcycle history.
I am 79 now and ride a 2017 Suzuki VStrom 650 XT. However, I purchased a Vespa when I was 17 years old still going to high school. I loved that little escape machine. I can’t remember what year model it was but it had the headlight on the front mudguard. It never gave me an ounce of trouble and I put a lot of miles on it. I remember the day I sold it to a guy at Highgate Hill in Brisbane. I remember riding it to his place as if it were yesterday, but I can’t remember who I bought it off second hand. I am told that if I still had the Vespa it would be worth a lot of money now. I had two crashes on it. One when I slipped over with diesel fuel on a corner, and once when riding down a hill at night, a dog ran out at me. I hit the dog and went down. I can still see the sparks coming off the Vespa as it slid down the road. Mum lost her nerve and suggested I sell it. I did sell it after I had it repaired and purchased a 1954 Hillman Minx car with money I had earned myself. I still have many many happy memories of my Vespa. By the way the bloody dog ran off apparently unhurt. I lost some bark and torn clothes.
I ride a Kymco Like 150i, it looks like vespa with basically a Honda engine. Scooters are outrageously fun, approachable and highly practical. I commute on mine everyday in Oregon weather (rain,sun, etc) and I like to say “I’m having the most fun of anyone going less than 45mph.” Score yourself a deal on one and I guarantee you won’t regret it.
Another great chapter bart. The mighty Vespa! I am convinced that if riders bought bikes with their brains instead of their hearts, we would all be riding scooters of one sort or another. But the Vespa is both practical and beautiful, one of the marks of a true classic, like the Honda cub. Thanks again 👍🇦🇺
How very true. Many do buy things based off of anything but practicality. Case in point, an estate would be perfectly suitable in place of the crossover SUVs that are out selling everything. But you can't say station wagon without someone going "ew that's a family car." So they buy an SUV for their family. 🤦
It always depends on for what role you want to use the vehicle. For most people in the west (including me) a motorcycle is more of a fun toy. The Vespa practicality works great for short commutes, but they're not made for carving or traveling, unless you like going really really slow. It can be done, I even saw many Vespa clubs while touring the alps (great guys), but they're clearly not made for it. Always depends on what role you want your vehicle to fulfill.
Two things you didn't say: I heard that the initial vespa engines were starter motors for aircraft engines, and that the wheels were airplane tail wheels
Nice quality content. Keep it up that way bart. Post war machines are proof nothing can break human spirit. If you can't fly, then run. If you can't run, then walk. If you can't walk, then crawl. but whatever you do, you have to keep moving forward.
The first time I saw a Vespa was when I had my paper route. I delivered and afternoon paper which was picked up and folded in the driveway of the route manager. Two brothers had Vespas which they used to deliver papers. The rules said we had to use bicycles, but the route manger relented and let them use their Vespas. I remember how cool they looked and I really wanted one. In all these years, I never bought one, but they are still super cool.
Few years ago, driving home from work at midnight. It was cold and raining buckets. Earlier it had been nice, warm and sunny day. I saw this poor fellow riding his scooter without rain gear and open face helmet on a highway. He was going about 50 mph and getting splashed and sprayed from passing cars.
@@leendeen8745 ...and he had a real-world experience, not looking at the world from inside an air conditioned, rain-free enclosure. Riding around in a car is like seeing all around you watching a movie. Riding a scooter or motorcycle is EXPERIENCING everything (wind, noise, smells, etc.) around you - nothing 'artificial".
Hi. Great video, thanks. My only gripe with riding the Vespa was the very stretchy cable operated gear-change mechanism, and the lack of a positive stop gearbox like my Tiger 100 motorbike. Once into third gear, you had to be double-jointed to pull in the clutch to return to second or neutral. It was worse with the four speed box, the clutch lever went for a walkabout around the handlebar. However if imitation is the sincerest form of compliment, the Vespa wins hands down. Douglas Motors made Vespas under license in GB. Italian Lambretta, and even Britain's BSA and Triumph made lookalikes. The Triumph Tigress 250 cc 4 stroke twin scooter was intended to burn off Vespas at the lights, but couldn't. The same scooter as a BSA Sunbeam 175 sported a 2 stroke single, but the extra 25cc of British muscle for some reason didn't get through to the back wheel. That's why I was a "rocker", rather than a "mod". Any "likely lad" today who wants to get a feel for what it was like growing up in the fifties and sixties need only Google the hit song "Just for kicks", by Mike Sarne. "The kicks" were the kick starters of course. (A "likely lad" was any lad likely to get into "the odd spot of bovver") Cheers, P.R.
Our first family vehicle is Vespa. I just it. Seeing your is going down memory lane.. liked your video Vespa is a Marvelous Design A Design for Masses..❤️❤️👌👌
Thanks for putting together a great history video. As a longtime Vespa rider and former Mini owner, I never considered the idea that the two were very similar.
Great video! I remember first starting to see Vespa scooters and the Honda step through models in the 1960s, along with a few Cushmans that were still out there.
Amazing video and amazing footage, would love to see what you can dig up about Lambrettas. As a long time owner of both a vintage vespa and vintage lambretta its always fun learning new things about them, thinking I knew everything already.
At 3:53. The "celadon" color is superlative. The best color in Vespa's history which, btw, is equally as stunning on a Porsche by Singer. Celadon has a muddy base, mixed with equal parts grey, green, and beige, and sometimes with a hint of blue. It's a complex, calming color that's impossible to pin down. Simply perfection. Btw, I hate motorcycles. Broke too many bones and have tinnitus in both ears. So someone, anyone, get in touch with me. Let me design a new kind of motorcycle with you.
@@othgmark1 How about asking questions instead of making assumptions? My father had me riding on the gas tank of his Bultaco when I was 3, no hearing protection whatsoever. I got my first 50cc motorcycle at 4. The motorcycle didn't make me crash? Try telling that to a 5 year old who was forced to ride long distances in the desert and the mountains on a jerry-rigged parts bike. By the time I was nine, I had broken bones and was hospitalized for hearing loss.
@@davidhunternyc1 sounds like your own old man was responsible. Properly put together and tuned Bultacos were among the best handling bikes of the era. I raced them for years. A poorly maintained Vespa would have had the same results except for the hearing loss. But without the muffler a Vespa is pretty loud too. I am genuinely sorry that your dad was seemingly not concerned with your health and you suffered for it. It's a shame you missed out on motorcycling because of those experiences. I have been fortunate enough to ride around the Americas and Europe including some saddle time on Vespas. Safety wise there isn't a big difference, a motorcycle is better on an open road while a Vespa is more nimble in city traffic.
@@othgmark1 Yes, it was my father's fault. He was a douchebag. He's still clueless about safety but that doesn't matter. My opening comment is, I hate motorcycles. Whenever I hear one I automatically cringe. I do like Vespa's, however. I love the look of Janus motorcycles too but they are noisy.
I have respect for Vespa, I'd like to own a classic original. I miss my restored '50 Triumph Thunderbird. I won first place at Mid-Ohio bike show. Took me over 5 years to restore. Very correct.
Very well put-together video, thanks. At the end of the opening words, I had expected to hear "Honda Cub", though I knew they would not be spoken. I certainly agree that there is a beauty in simplicity, and especially in small, round-town bikes.
Howdy! Beautiful video, but I would like to add a couple of things. The engine at the beginning wasn't designed or build on purpose but it was a starter engine for bombers: as they couldn't build bombers anymore, they had starters engine to reuse somehow. If you happen to know Italian or find an Italian friend to help understanding it, in 2019 the Italian state TV produced a multi episode TV movie on the life of Enrico Piaggio which is called "Enrico Piaggio", it is good and it talks extensively about the Vespa too. If you are in Pisa or Florence, go to Pontedera (by train it is 15 minutes from Pisa or 30 from Florence) and go to the Piaggio museum, which is inside the Factory (10 / 15 minutes walk from the station), as it either costs you €0 (zero) to visit on your own or €5 to get the guided tour.
I first fell in love with Vespas when I had the opportunity to travel to Rome back in university. A decade or so later I bought one, a GTS 300. That was a fun bike!
I've owned a lot of vehicles that appear in your video. Early Mini, first gen GSXR 750, Grom and a Vespa (250 GTS.) The GTS was a first class machine. It weighed 384 lbs and had a saddle that kept two good sized adults comfortable on a longer ride. I rode eight thousand kilometers over two years of ownership. It's one of my favourite of the many bikes I've owned since the mid 1970s.
I own a Vespa PX150, Aprilia Mana 850 and now looking for a Moto Guzzi (V85TT or V7 Stornello) to complete my Piaggio collection. Love Piaggio and true Italian motorcycles!🇮🇹🛵💨
My first bike was a Honda C50 Cub. What we need to understand about that bike is that before designing and manufacturing the Cub, Mr Honda looked at everything being produced by every manufacturer all over the world, including Italian scooters. He recognised the advantages of low centre of gravity, load-bearing step-through frame, leading link front suspension and leg shields. Yet because he understood the market, and approached the task without small minded prejudices, and employed proper sized wheels, the machine he produced was not just not a scooter, it was a practical motorcycle - which of course went on to become the best selling vehicle of all time. There are therefore many many reasons why I bought a Honda C50, and most of them are in the design ethos of the machine. Although still arguably not quite a proper motorcycle (they were called ‘granddad bikes in my day), it was better than a scooter in every possible way. And whilst the patent for the original scooter may describe it as a new type of motorcycle, the very fact that to this day there is virtually zero crossover between scooter riders and motorcycle riders, is evidence that they not only have totally separate DNA and serve very different purposes, but they exist in different universes. Yes they’re ‘iconic’ and probably fun to ride - if you don’t mind looking ridiculous, eat salad, drink soy milk, and have no desire to go fast, cover serious distances, or ever be taken seriously by proper bikers. As I said, different universes.
Both type of riders need to think outside the box. I have a roadster naked motorcycle and a classic Vespa - I enjoyed them both equally and love having the different experience riding them. Same universe, different experiences- both bring many smiles per mile. 🙂
Your second to last paragraph is completely meaningless for Italian scooter riders... it's used there as a daily serious transportation tool, a way to get from place to place... not to strike an image, join a group, have fun, or compete, etc... it's a perfect tool for getting around in an Italian city, large or small...
This video makes me want another Vespa... Already got an ET4 (first of the 4 stroke autos) but would really like an old 2 stroke PX, I've also got an old skool GSXR750 but the Vespa is so much more practical for my cross town commute and still great fun.
My dad in 1986 bought a Vespa Px125 arcobaleno E and still to this day he drives it like he was young again. I really like driving it , im glad my dad bought it
My understanding was that the Vespa was born out of Piaggio looking for something to do with the large number of nose gears it still had on hand after WWII. They were used as front suspension for the Vespa. No?
What a great video, I never paid too much attention to the Vespa but this was eye-opening. Incredible how difficult times bring out the best of the human mastermind.
By far the best video about the history of the Vespa. I do hope you'd consider making a video about how motorscooters evolved from the Vespa, to the new Maxiscooters by Suzuki like the Burgman, etc.
Great video and History Lesson~!! I saw the funniest picture the other day and it showed an old dark green Vespa sitting on it's lift-up kick stand and painted across the back of the big wide seat it said= "No, I don't want a Harley"~! Damn funny~!
Bart, are you familiar with the Lambretta scooter? It may be an interesting topic for a video. I owned one in the late 1960s bought from a man who owned it in Italy where he was stationed with the military for a while. I think he had it flown back to the USA. It was a 150 cc model and was quite good.
"When the average italian think of motorcycles, he thinks of triumph or harley". Well... there were italian motorcycles in existence in those days, Ducati, Moto Guzzi, Benelli, etc.
I always found it interesting how the Vespa has the exact same design philosophy as the Honda Pacific Coast, it being of designing a sleek motorcycle where all the mechanical parts are hidden similarly to in a car, and it's meant to be more appealing to the masses who aren't necessarily motorcycle fans but will be sold on the practicality of it. However, where the Pacific Coast failed, the Vespa succeeded, because although the Pacific Coast is cool as hell, it is also too big, expensive and intimidating to have any kind of mainstream success, while the Vespa truly feels like a vehicle the average person would ride. Probably the only motorcycle that has managed to replicate the success of the Vespa is the Honda Super Cub. Another thing I find interesting is how other brands have struggled to make their scooters cool, something where the Vespa greatly succeeded at. Scooters are typically seen as purely utilitarian by most, some even consider them to be a bit dorky compared to a "real" motorcycle, but Vespas were something people actively desired, they wanted one just because they know they would look cool as hell while riding it, and I don't think I could say the same about any other scooter, I mean yeah they have their fans but I doubt many would buy a Kymco Agility 125 to impress girls.
I think that Vespa and VW bug is a good comparison. There were many fans of both and for the same reasons. Both air cooled simple but innovative drive train with aerodynamic (voluptuous) bodies. Both intended to be inexpensive transportation. Wildly popular leading to a well stocked restoration fan base more than half a century later. Small incremental changes to the same basic design over decades.....I love them both.
I disagree with his assessment, but it is occasionally true. Mainly though we just remember the functional objects which also happen to be appealing. Contrast the B-2 with a Cessna 172. The designs of both are strictly influenced by their function and both are iconic, but we remember one for being beautiful and always use the other one as the butt of a joke.
My first motorcycle was a Vespa built under licence by Douglas. It still had the rod gear changing. The headlight was mounted on the front legshield so it wouldn't point around a corner. It had a very comfortable seat and a solid carrier and a lockable weatherproof luggage container. A single transfer port with a special crown piston. It had done a HUGE distance when I sold it. Most modern Japanese bikes needed to be rebuilt when moving only a third of the distance. It was a very special machine and I regret parting with it.
i’m trying to convince my girlfriend to get one so i can ride my interceptor and she can be next to me on the scoot. we would look so hipster and cool edit: there are many reasons for owning a motorcycle, but if you can’t admit to yourself that part of it is that they’re cool, then get back on your v-strom or NC750X and let me pretend i’m in the 70s on my royal enfield
Pretty lame to virtue signal about something so simple as motorcycle riding. People ride for all kinds of reason. Besides, half the fun of motorcycle riding is the looks. Unless you ride a POS that looks like it’s put together with duck tape, then you shouldn’t be talking.
well... a newer Vespa is sort of a good choice CVT, EFI would go as high as 300cc's personally would choose the 300cc Vespa just because it can easily keep up with traffic and the torque! the older Vespa with a 2 stroke engine is not so great (for a not mechanically inclined person) -Italian Electricals will mess with you from time to time -Seasonal Carburetor Tuning -Breaker Point Gap will have to be checked from time to time -it's a 2 stroke engine so the spark plug will require frequent cleaning, you would have to prevent high speed engine braking (if you're running pre-mixed fuel) -Fuel Economy is also bad.. 4-5L/100km plus 2 stroke oil
At last! Someone who recognizes that greatness of Luca! Any movie about a quest for a Vespa is by nature great. The Grom is, to a great extent, another of many variations on the Supercub engine. From the original pushrod 50 to the Super 90 (also capable of an honest 60mph) and any number of small and large wheeled machines, the basic powerplant has survived and thrived. All without quad carburetors or tuned race exhaust.
Always been a scooter guy myself, and while Piaggio may have called it a motorcycle, motor-scooters borrow their design from push scooters and evolved from there, while motorcycles evolved from the bicycle. From what I understand, the inspiration for the Vespa was taken from Cushman scooters that were used during WW2. I'll grant, He took the design and made it very Italian, but the cues from the Cushman are there, just very developed and refined. Also, the initial release of the Grom has a 4 speed gearbox. The five speed was introduced in the 2021 models.
Well done, well done Enrico Piaggio for Vespa and Corradino d'Ascanio for designing the Vespa or Wasp in Italian, you made scooters stylish and maybe even invented scooters. God bless his soul.
Another well done video. I never actually realized quite how long ago the first Vespa came out. Also somehow didn't realize they were built by Piaggio despite me knowing of that company for their aerospace side.
I'm in my 60's and my balance is not as good as it once was, so I am beginning to look into the Piaggio MP3, three-wheeled "motorcycles". The main problem is that there are no dealers within an hours drive, making servicing an issue. Does anyone have a good idea of the overall reliability of the current Piaggio lines? So far, I have only owned Japanese-branded motorcycles and have literally had no issues. TBH, I would feel more comfortable with a Yamaha TriCity, but I don't think they are sold in the US.
You would have NO problems with a Piaggio product. Service centers can pick up your bike and return it after servicing. If there's a problem while you're on the road, services like "AAA" can transport the bike and you to a service center.
I understand that is focused on Piaggio Vespa but there is an iconic iteration of this in India. Bajaj started selling Vespas from 80s as 'Priya'(Dear) and later put out the better version called 'Chetak' that looked far better than the 1985 version of Vespa in collab with LML. The Chetak '97 was that dream 'dad's vehicle' that children enjoyed the rides on.
There is an incredible return of Vespas in Europe. I was in Munich a few weeks ago, and the Vespas are everywhere. It's easy to spot more than 2 dozens a day while walking the streets.
Great video, very informative and well presented. One comment tho, in Latin America there are many countries whose main mode of transport IS traditional, tubular frame, large-radius two wheeled motorcycles. Cheers.
I found this of interest because have a Genuine "Buddy 50 "2 stroke scooter, made in Taiwan (not crappy China) AND a Honda "GROM". The "Buddy" is built with the reliability of any Honda product - it's a 2018 model and I've had NO issues with it in the five years I've owned it. Both the "Buddy" (made by "PGO", a premier manufacturer of scooters) and the "GROM" are so very much FUN to ride, and certainly easy to ride at my current age of 78 years (Imperial, not Metric). It's amazing how tight a turn one can make with either ride by making either heavily LEAN into the turn.
In the early 1970s, I owned two Vespas. I have no idea what the model numbers were. Both my girlfriend at the time and I took our motorcycle license test on them. Completing the low speed maneuvering course was a little tricky as the engine and transmission were on the right side so the bike was not balanced. Also, the Vespa I had was fitted with a foot operated clutch and foot rear brake. Fortunately, the examiner I had understood the problems with the Vespa and took pity on my in grading my test. They were fun, durable, and cheap.
The best thing about the Piaggio vespa is that it gave us the Piaggio Ape, which to this day combines hauling capacity and utility with the comfort of sitting in a metal box.
I had a 125 cc Vespa when I was 17 years old, I was using it to go for rides to go to school and when was raining I wasn't getting water on my feet and legs while my friends on motorcycles did. It was good in winter all I had to wear was good gloves and a good jacket while my legs were always protected from cold air. Very light and very easy to drive. The good old days very GOOD FUN ! more fun than PlayStation 5.
And because of the vespa, scooters are the most commonly used motorcycle in most parts of Asia especially here in Southeast Asia. Unlike how America sees scooters, almost like an afterthought, scooters here are given the same respect as any other motorcycle, and yes we do consider scooters as motorcycle I know many wouldn't agree. Scooters are used in short rides, long rides, daily drivers, for businesses, for leisure, etc.
I was in Italy (Sorrento) a couple of weeks ago and I would guess that every other adult was riding a Vespa. They are particularly useful for the narrow streets and alleys of a typical Italian town. Italians are terrible drivers and often zoom up behind pedestrians at high speed. At least you can hear them coming by the loud engine noise - the new-fangled electric bikes and scooters are more deadly for being silent! Great vid, bro!
I have a 2003 Genuine Stella, a Vespa PX150 (1982) made in India for the American market. It is now 20 years old and in use every day there is no ice one the road. The last time it was at the dealer for maintenance was 18 years ago. It looks almost like brand new. The spark plug is 15 years old. It starts right up, runs fine and goes as fast as when new. I clean the air cleaner once a year, change the tires every 2-3 years, a new battery every 5-6 years, also clean out the carburetor about then. It comes with a tool kit that will do about anything you could do alongside the road. Around town I get about 100mpg. It will carry ten bags of groceries by putting plastic crates on the luggage racks. It has hauled firewood. A group of kids came from India to our church once, and when they saw it they all piled on and took it for a ride. Their leader saw this and stopped them, he said it was dangerous for 9 to be riding at once, so 2 had to get off and wait a turn. I think it will last longer than I do.
Hi Bart! This is some of your best work yet! I love Vespas and two strokes in general. Would you consider doing a video on the Jawa Babetta? It was pretty much the Vespa of the Soviet Union. Basic transportation in the right place at the right time.
States that require additional motor vehicle endorsements , call Vespas motorcycles. My state (Washington) differentiates between 2 wheel and 3 wheel motorcycles.
Last year I decided to replace my Sym Mio 50cc scooter (very cute/Vespa inspired) with something faster, and found not just a Vespa, but the Vespa 946. I fell in love. If you're going to get a scooter, get a Vespa (but Korean models are great for budget). If you're going to get a Vespa, get the 946! A local dealer had a low mile 2013 (first year for the model) and I've tripled the miles on it. Absolutely love it!! (Though skip '18-22 featured designers--distract from the beauty of the body shape). Though this year for a little more comfort on hilly freeways (hard to avoid in my area), I added a new Piaggio BV400 after months of reviewing motorcycle options for 300-600cc range.... And really I love both!
I used to ride large motorcycles and never even glanced at scooters. Then, one day at a motor show, I sat on a Vespa GS 200 and I thought I could live with this. It did everything I needed, it was fun to ride, it was economical, I could carry more with it and it seemed to need minimal maintenance. I also loved the look of the thing. I normally changed my motorbike every couple of years but I ended up with 2 Vespas, the GS200 and then the GS250, for the next 20 years. I only gave up riding them when the thieves in my city worked out how to steal them. Shame, I miss riding them.
I had a vespa 50 with a tuned up 125.
She was a hoot
Practicality is beauty
i hope you get another VESPA! BAD THEIVES!
I can't wait until hand amputation becomes compulsory for thieves.
Yes, twenty minutes on the helix and my 750/4 was on craigslist. Although in retrospect I wish I'd kept it. Who knows?
Anyways the Vespas are wildly overpriced, I stick with Honda
Enjoying a morning coffee al fresco on a Greek island several years ago a Vespa glided past with a family aboard. Father was in control, mother was behind him, cradling a baby. Behind her, on the luggage rack were her two other children, riding back to back with their legs dangling over the engine cover. to complete the load a sheep peered out from between the fathers legs. Six riders - one scooter - no problem!
How to destroy your wheel bearings with one easy step!
In all my years, I must admit to never being a Vespa fan. After watching this video, I'm still not a fan but I do understand it's significance. Always an outstanding video on this channel!
They're for high density urban situations. The only feel right at relatively low speeds.
@@indonesiaamerica7050eactly!
Drive a vespa in an old italian town, you'll fall in love immediately!
@@indonesiaamerica7050Yo, I had a piaggio scoot just for running errands in an urban environment in the U.S. It just kind of works. Granted, I later traded it in for something that could do highway speeds, but I had to cover the thing in cases and bags just to match the simple utility of the scoot.
Vespa at least looks better than any other motorcycle
A scooter is more like a micro mini car designed for traveling along congested city streets. It can hold a lot of office or grocery stuffs in the lockable underseat storage. In a motorcycle, you need to haul your various stuffs in your backpack if you don't have saddlebags.
I was fueling my Vespa near a popular biker spot next to a group of Harley riders some time ago. They all looked the part, big bikes, shiny chrome, heavy leathers.
One of them walks up to me and silently looks me and the Vespa over for a while. Then he looks at me and says: "You know, secretly we all want to ride one of these!"
I don’t think he was talking about your scooter……he was talking about you 😂
I feel the same every time I see a Honda Cub, even when I am on my bigger bike.
I reckon they are the coolest bike ever made, yet they are (or were until they made them fancy recently), just a simple, reliable tool.
lmao@@markallen2984
🤮🤮🤮 not real motorcycle, come on you don't see these doing the Isle Man TT
DOUBT
Back in the day on a scooter forum, the subject was how people would call your scooter a moped. One guy said the when someone called his Vespa a moped, he would correct them. Saying "it's not a moped, it's a post-war Italian lady's shopping bike". Scooter Boy for Life!
Them hot hatchback cars - granny shopping wagons.
The moped forums are even worse- go asking a question about a *scooter* and you'll be chased right out!
Back in the 70s when I started buying Easyrider magazine, I remember thinking it seemed unusual that Harley-Davidson riders were calling their motorbikes 'scooters' and 'scoots', also they called their engine a 'mill'.
MOPBOYZ
@@WafflePlaneRC There are MOPED Forums?
*Evolution must be running in reverse*
One of the most iconic vehicles of all time and when people see a scooter, the name Vespa recalls it for them! Next to the Fiat, its association with Italy is unmistakable.
Cos no one outside Italy would buy such lousy machinery
Fiat was long a bye-word for 'in competition with Lada'
@Farweasel
We got old Vespas on sale all the time in the classifieds.
@@Eduardo_Espinoza In that case - My condolences
Great video. I've worked at a Vespa dealer in the past and still specialize in vintage Vespa resto. You really fall in love with the old ones. Their like old vw bugs on two wheels, tons of personality
My Dad rode and Vespa PX-150 and I remember my entire family of 5 riding on it in the 1970s. I loved the Piaggio brand and its associated vehicles. I went on to own the Piaggio maxi scooter X8 200 which shared many of the same design principles of its predecessors. Wonderful scooter to ride! Excellent documentary and great archive footage!
Piaggio had to innovate or die in the 1990's and their decision to redo the Vespa saved the company from cheaper, more modern Asian competitors. These wiped out many US and European manufacturers who simply thought they could keep on putting out the same product, year in, year out.
BTW another movie with a great Vespa sequence is Dear Diary (1993) by Nanni Morietti
You can see Vespas everywhere in Munich. It's easy to spot dozens everyday there.
British motorcycle industry was the classic example of pompous and antiquated attitudes 1969 was the year the bike was Honda cb 750 the day the industry changed ,British literally Would not change and that was it. Whereas Italians absolutely did
I was a motorcycle guy from 14 to about 40. Then I tried a Honda helix, im 66 now, still have my third helix ( flipped 2 for my 07) also have a reflex and i keep a 750 shadow just for slow cruising. I guess my point is, enjoy the simple practical easy going scooter life
I had a 2019 Z900. Went to thailand last year and zoomed around on a yamaha 155 scooter.
Came home and unowned the z900 and got an xmax 300.
I have some skeletal issue which was making it harder for me to ride the kawasaki.
I love my scooter.
Its fast enough.
It handles well.
I can go shopping and get 4 bags of shopping under the seat. (I cannot over emphasise how much i love having storage on a motorcycle that isnt fucking panniers.)
My left ankle doesnt die trying to change gears ( arthritis).
Love it
@@sugarnads good choice.
I noticed he didn’t mention the Ducati.
THATS GREAT
@LaneAWD_OwO yes, I snatch up any good deals I see on helix/reflex for quick flips. Not ready for the super cub yet, they need a 250cc Cub
When an average italian thought about motorbike in the mid '40s he did not think of Indian, HD or Triumph. He thought of a Moto Guzzi that has been winning races ( Europe and World Championships and Tourist Trophy) and innovating the motorbikes scene since the 30s.
I’ve got to say that was a really nicely presented video. I was a scooter boy myself in back in 1970 and still find them just as interesting today. Thank you for sharing such a thoroughly well researched episode. 👏
My first "motorcycle" was a 50cc Honda Metropolitan. I loved that little scooter! I've always had a soft spot for scooters because of it. Thanks for the interesting video.
In Indonesia it's called ''Scoopy" with 110cc and they're everywhere! Hell, 2 out of 10 motorbike parked in my flat rn is a scoopy
I remember the TV ads back then---"You meet the nicest people on a Honda."
Enjoyed the video. I have owned Vespa's, Cushman's, Honda Cub's and lot's of motorcycles over the years. The Vespa served it's purpose for Italy, until the Fiat 500 came about. The little Honda Cub, did the same thing in Japan, but was able to broaden its' appeal to something more than transportation in the USA "you meet the nicest people on a Honda". I believe that all the different Cubs have sold well over 130 million through out the world making it the best selling vehicle in history.
I've ridden motorcycles for 50 years and always had a sort of condescending view of scooters based on absolutely nothing but bias. I was a little surprised that your video was so positive about scooters and their rightful place in motorcycle history. I'm going to be looking at them a little differently now. Excellent well-researched video..as always.
And a twist, a 400cc scooter... I recently got a Piaggio BV400 & though I absolutely love my 2013 Vespa 946, it's 150cc & a little challenged on hills & freeways (on flat, it can go 65, but perfect for smaller curvy roads), but do now wonder if a few folks were shocked that they were passed by a scooter 😅.
@@sus8e462 Some time in the 80's my wife and I were two-up on a BMW on the Bayshore Hwy in the SF Bay area. It was late at night, I was in the #1 lane and a couple of motorcycles were coming up FAST behind me with the headlights shaking a little from pavement joints. I thought it must be some choppers as they often have shaky headlights. I pulled over one lane to let them pass. It was three guys on scooters doing over 70 mph. I later learned that there were 500 cc scooters so maybe that's what they were.
I have to vote the Honda Super Cub is the most important icon in the automotive industry. Not to downplay the timeless significance of the Vespa, and its earlier attempt at a "polite" motorcycle for the masses.
I ride Chinese a Super Cub replica daily to commute around 80km(~50miles) Despite vibration this bike is rugged and very useful.
@@helloworld963 My actual C50 Supercub does not excessively vibrate. I have to assume that when you say "Chinese...replica" you are probably talking about a Chinese clone of a much newer step-through like the Honda Dream/Wave etc.
To kariudo, you are not wrong, but [insert some insanely long, technical and boring argument here that attempts in its entirety to ignore observable outcomes] something about Japanese mass production scale bludgeoning everything in its path.
The Honda Super Cub is a mere copy of earlier Moto Guzzi Galleto. its only merit is mass production
@@vesparraf No, clutchless gear-shift and 40 million sales to prove you wrong.
@@aaronleverton4221 🤣🤣 so that's your reasoning to prove the super cub is not a copy of the Galleto?? It had a 3 speed pedal operated gearbox and the shape and function was clearly ahead of its time. The super cub only proves 2 things: Japanese back then we're closely payomg attention to (copying) all other European manufacturers and that they had a much stronger production power, selling bikes all over the world.
I have ridden Vespas since passing my test on a PX125 in 1982. Helped form a Scooter Club in 1983 and am still obsessed with them to this day. As they say, once a Scooter Boy, always a Scooter Boy. Great video and all the best from the UK !!
P200-E., Grey.
My sister had a PX-125 which was bored out to a 177. ( Navy Blue with chrome chowls)
2- Tone! 2 Rude!
Lived in Europe last half of he '50s and Vespas were _everywhere!"_ I loved and still love the form-follows-function art of them. And the sound of the Vespa 2-stroke engine is one of the first of many engine sounds burned into my mind. My first motorcycle in the mid '60s was a 2-stroke Yamaha 100cc "Tin Twin" as they were called. Rode the hell out of it. Tough little bike.
Well told Bart. The genius of creation of one person. Not listening to market research or boffins. The mechanical artist.
He was a boffin himself.
As a long time BMW motorcycle owner who has traveled across Canada and the US, I have always admired the Vespa for its design and civil attitude. It set itself apart from other scooters and bikes and had no real competition in its class until Honda brought out their version of a scooter. I’m waiting to see if Vespa brings out an electric model. If they do I’m sure it will be special and I will park one in my driveway.
They do have an electric model. Don't know if it is launched in the area you live though.
I think a scooter is inevitable for the US. Can't wait.
No competition? What zbout the Lambretta?
@@stephenburnage7687 I’ll look that up. Never heard of it.
@@LymanPhillips inevitable for urban areas perhaps but, America is too vast for many people to start riding two wheelers. Trucks and SUVs are definitely going to be a deterrent for many you don't even feel safe driving amongst those giants in regular cars.
I watched Luca with my niece when it came out, now whenever she comes over she always wants to watch motogp! That movie sparked a fire in her for bikes and I couldn't be more thrilled
I love Vespas. I have two. a 1979 P200E, and a 2006 GT200. The P200E is by far the most fun. It is a kick start, manual shift, manual clutch 200cc 2 stroke. It's about as mechanical as it gets. It makes beautiful sounds, has a wonderful feel, and requires a LOT of interaction with the rider. And to me that is what all motor vehicles are about. That's what makes them so much fun. The GT200 is a completely different thing. It has almost none of the qualities that I think a machine should have. It is basically a twist and go transportation appliance, devoid of any kind of character. It is smooth and quiet, it has a shiftless CVT drive, it is electric start, and liquid cooled. I still think the styling is beautiful, and wish it had a 2 stroke manual shift engine. It's one redeeming quality is that it is carbureted. It is one of the last carbureted Vespas made. So while it is smooth, quiet, and fairly boring, it is still, for the most part a machine. Just an over refined one. It serves well as a transportation device, both in town and on the highway, but it's not really a recreational bike like the P200E is. After 2006 Vespa went down the road to scooter oblivion, making nothing but computerscooters. A sad end to something that started out as such a cool idea.
I feel the same way about my two - I've ridden the same 2009 S50 every day since it was new and although l love its loyalty (and it's a 2 stroke) it doesn't feel special or involving like my '79 50N.
I have had Vespas since 85 and Lambretta's before that. I've also owned motorcycles alongside scooters. I use the Vespa like most would use a car. Bad weather take the Vespa, short trip, take the Vespa. Parking somewhere where some idiot might knock over one of my nice bikes, take the Vespa. My current PX200 looks like its been to Hell and back but it still keeps going. It gets a lot of use. I can rebuild it in a good weekend. I love my old motorcycles but the Vespa is also special and always puts a smile on my face.
Bart, I love your videos. You find the best archival footage and stills, and wrap them in knowledgeable and entertaining commentary. You, sir, are the Ken Burns of motorcycle history.
I am 79 now and ride a 2017 Suzuki VStrom 650 XT. However, I purchased a Vespa when I was 17 years old still going to high school. I loved that little escape machine. I can’t remember what year model it was but it had the headlight on the front mudguard. It never gave me an ounce of trouble and I put a lot of miles on it. I remember the day I sold it to a guy at Highgate Hill in Brisbane. I remember riding it to his place as if it were yesterday, but I can’t remember who I bought it off second hand.
I am told that if I still had the Vespa it would be worth a lot of money now.
I had two crashes on it. One when I slipped over with diesel fuel on a corner, and once when riding down a hill at night, a dog ran out at me. I hit the dog and went down. I can still see the sparks coming off the Vespa as it slid down the road. Mum lost her nerve and suggested I sell it. I did sell it after I had it repaired and purchased a 1954 Hillman Minx car with money I had earned myself. I still have many many happy memories of my Vespa. By the way the bloody dog ran off apparently unhurt. I lost some bark and torn clothes.
I ride a Kymco Like 150i, it looks like vespa with basically a Honda engine. Scooters are outrageously fun, approachable and highly practical. I commute on mine everyday in Oregon weather (rain,sun, etc) and I like to say “I’m having the most fun of anyone going less than 45mph.” Score yourself a deal on one and I guarantee you won’t regret it.
Moving the headlight from the fender to the handling bar was the icing on the cake, designwise. It looks 100% better in my opinion.
Excellent video, your best one yet! I think this video will be used in design school classrooms everywhere.
Another great chapter bart. The mighty Vespa! I am convinced that if riders bought bikes with their brains instead of their hearts, we would all be riding scooters of one sort or another. But the Vespa is both practical and beautiful, one of the marks of a true classic, like the Honda cub. Thanks again 👍🇦🇺
How very true. Many do buy things based off of anything but practicality. Case in point, an estate would be perfectly suitable in place of the crossover SUVs that are out selling everything. But you can't say station wagon without someone going "ew that's a family car." So they buy an SUV for their family. 🤦
It always depends on for what role you want to use the vehicle. For most people in the west (including me) a motorcycle is more of a fun toy. The Vespa practicality works great for short commutes, but they're not made for carving or traveling, unless you like going really really slow.
It can be done, I even saw many Vespa clubs while touring the alps (great guys), but they're clearly not made for it.
Always depends on what role you want your vehicle to fulfill.
i feel so lucky that a 2013 LXV125ie and a 80s Japanese Super Cub lives under the same roof of mine❤
When I turned 14, 5 years ago, my dad got me a 1980 Vespa 50 special. It’s the most fun thing I probably will ever own
Two things you didn't say: I heard that the initial vespa engines were starter motors for aircraft engines, and that the wheels were airplane tail wheels
By the power of Ctrl + F i found your comment before making my own comment with the same content. So here i am to support that statement!
@@axelboltz3077 just felt like it's such a shame he didn't mention it cause it's such an interesting curiosity
So it was basically a pony motor that got repurposed.
I believe the motor was from a hoist used to lift bombs into the bomb bay on a Piaggio bomber.
THIS is top quality content. Thank you.
From Reggio Calabria 🇮🇹
Nice quality content. Keep it up that way bart. Post war machines are proof nothing can break human spirit. If you can't fly, then run. If you can't run, then walk. If you can't walk, then crawl. but whatever you do, you have to keep moving forward.
The first time I saw a Vespa was when I had my paper route. I delivered and afternoon paper which was picked up and folded in the driveway of the route manager. Two brothers had Vespas which they used to deliver papers. The rules said we had to use bicycles, but the route manger relented and let them use their Vespas. I remember how cool they looked and I really wanted one. In all these years, I never bought one, but they are still super cool.
When the Mini first came on the road in the UK , a heater and the radeo was an optional EXTRA ,you also needed a radio license .
Few years ago, driving home from work at midnight. It was cold and raining buckets. Earlier it had been nice, warm and sunny day. I saw this poor fellow riding his scooter without rain gear and open face helmet on a highway. He was going about 50 mph and getting splashed and sprayed from passing cars.
…and
@@leendeen8745 ...and he had a real-world experience, not looking at the world from inside an air conditioned, rain-free enclosure. Riding around in a car is like seeing all around you watching a movie. Riding a scooter or motorcycle is EXPERIENCING everything (wind, noise, smells, etc.) around you - nothing 'artificial".
@@usernamemykel - all though it looked funny. I did feel envy not being able to ride motorcycle like I used to.
Hi. Great video, thanks. My only gripe with riding the Vespa was the very stretchy cable operated gear-change mechanism, and the lack of a positive stop gearbox like my Tiger 100 motorbike. Once into third gear, you had to be double-jointed to pull in the clutch to return to second or neutral. It was worse with the four speed box, the clutch lever went for a walkabout around the handlebar.
However if imitation is the sincerest form of compliment, the Vespa wins hands down. Douglas Motors made Vespas under license in GB. Italian Lambretta, and even Britain's BSA and Triumph made lookalikes. The Triumph Tigress 250 cc 4 stroke twin scooter was intended to burn off Vespas at the lights, but couldn't. The same scooter as a BSA Sunbeam 175 sported a 2 stroke single, but the extra 25cc of British muscle for some reason didn't get through to the back wheel. That's why I was a "rocker", rather than a "mod".
Any "likely lad" today who wants to get a feel for what it was like growing up in the fifties and sixties need only Google the hit song "Just for kicks", by Mike Sarne. "The kicks" were the kick starters of course. (A "likely lad" was any lad likely to get into "the odd spot of bovver") Cheers, P.R.
Our first family vehicle is Vespa. I just it. Seeing your is going down memory lane.. liked your video Vespa is a Marvelous Design A Design for Masses..❤️❤️👌👌
The best designs are the ones that really solve a problem. The Vespa did it so well it became an icon
Thanks for putting together a great history video. As a longtime Vespa rider and former Mini owner, I never considered the idea that the two were very similar.
Great video! I remember first starting to see Vespa scooters and the Honda step through models in the 1960s, along with a few Cushmans that were still out there.
Watching all those clips of people motoring about on tiny machines warmed my soul.
And as always
I was entertained
Amazing video and amazing footage, would love to see what you can dig up about Lambrettas.
As a long time owner of both a vintage vespa and vintage lambretta its always fun learning new things about them, thinking I knew everything already.
Lambrettas were very pretty. I’m surprised they went out of business.
At 3:53. The "celadon" color is superlative. The best color in Vespa's history which, btw, is equally as stunning on a Porsche by Singer. Celadon has a muddy base, mixed with equal parts grey, green, and beige, and sometimes with a hint of blue. It's a complex, calming color that's impossible to pin down. Simply perfection. Btw, I hate motorcycles. Broke too many bones and have tinnitus in both ears. So someone, anyone, get in touch with me. Let me design a new kind of motorcycle with you.
The motorcycle didn't make you crash you crashed the motorcycle as for hearing loss again stock exhausts do not lead to hearing loss.
@@othgmark1 How about asking questions instead of making assumptions? My father had me riding on the gas tank of his Bultaco when I was 3, no hearing protection whatsoever. I got my first 50cc motorcycle at 4. The motorcycle didn't make me crash? Try telling that to a 5 year old who was forced to ride long distances in the desert and the mountains on a jerry-rigged parts bike. By the time I was nine, I had broken bones and was hospitalized for hearing loss.
@@davidhunternyc1 sounds like your own old man was responsible. Properly put together and tuned Bultacos were among the best handling bikes of the era. I raced them for years. A poorly maintained Vespa would have had the same results except for the hearing loss. But without the muffler a Vespa is pretty loud too. I am genuinely sorry that your dad was seemingly not concerned with your health and you suffered for it. It's a shame you missed out on motorcycling because of those experiences. I have been fortunate enough to ride around the Americas and Europe including some saddle time on Vespas. Safety wise there isn't a big difference, a motorcycle is better on an open road while a Vespa is more nimble in city traffic.
@@othgmark1 Yes, it was my father's fault. He was a douchebag. He's still clueless about safety but that doesn't matter. My opening comment is, I hate motorcycles. Whenever I hear one I automatically cringe. I do like Vespa's, however. I love the look of Janus motorcycles too but they are noisy.
I have respect for Vespa, I'd like to own a classic original. I miss my restored '50 Triumph Thunderbird. I won first place at Mid-Ohio bike show. Took me over 5 years to restore. Very correct.
I had a '65 Sprint. i want another.
I had a '58 Beezer. My dad wouldn't let me have a minibike or scooter. He said the wheels are too small and you hit a run and you'll go over the bars!
I've "graduated" from big Vtwins to scooters at 55 years old and couldn't be happier.
Very well put-together video, thanks.
At the end of the opening words, I had expected to hear "Honda Cub", though I knew they would not be spoken.
I certainly agree that there is a beauty in simplicity, and especially in small, round-town bikes.
FANTASTIC concept!..And it's STILL going STRONG!💪👊MUCH respect!🤝
I like to imagine a world where they made even bigger 2 stroke race bikes
Howdy! Beautiful video, but I would like to add a couple of things. The engine at the beginning wasn't designed or build on purpose but it was a starter engine for bombers: as they couldn't build bombers anymore, they had starters engine to reuse somehow. If you happen to know Italian or find an Italian friend to help understanding it, in 2019 the Italian state TV produced a multi episode TV movie on the life of Enrico Piaggio which is called "Enrico Piaggio", it is good and it talks extensively about the Vespa too. If you are in Pisa or Florence, go to Pontedera (by train it is 15 minutes from Pisa or 30 from Florence) and go to the Piaggio museum, which is inside the Factory (10 / 15 minutes walk from the station), as it either costs you €0 (zero) to visit on your own or €5 to get the guided tour.
I first fell in love with Vespas when I had the opportunity to travel to Rome back in university. A decade or so later I bought one, a GTS 300. That was a fun bike!
I've owned a lot of vehicles that appear in your video. Early Mini, first gen GSXR 750, Grom and a Vespa (250 GTS.) The GTS was a first class machine. It weighed 384 lbs and had a saddle that kept two good sized adults comfortable on a longer ride. I rode eight thousand kilometers over two years of ownership. It's one of my favourite of the many bikes I've owned since the mid 1970s.
I've always wanted one. And it would fit right in my stable since I have two MotoGuzzi's. !
I own a Vespa PX150, Aprilia Mana 850 and now looking for a Moto Guzzi (V85TT or V7 Stornello) to complete my Piaggio collection. Love Piaggio and true Italian motorcycles!🇮🇹🛵💨
My first bike was a Honda C50 Cub. What we need to understand about that bike is that before designing and manufacturing the Cub, Mr Honda looked at everything being produced by every manufacturer all over the world, including Italian scooters. He recognised the advantages of low centre of gravity, load-bearing step-through frame, leading link front suspension and leg shields. Yet because he understood the market, and approached the task without small minded prejudices, and employed proper sized wheels, the machine he produced was not just not a scooter, it was a practical motorcycle - which of course went on to become the best selling vehicle of all time.
There are therefore many many reasons why I bought a Honda C50, and most of them are in the design ethos of the machine. Although still arguably not quite a proper motorcycle (they were called ‘granddad bikes in my day), it was better than a scooter in every possible way.
And whilst the patent for the original scooter may describe it as a new type of motorcycle, the very fact that to this day there is virtually zero crossover between scooter riders and motorcycle riders, is evidence that they not only have totally separate DNA and serve very different purposes, but they exist in different universes.
Yes they’re ‘iconic’ and probably fun to ride - if you don’t mind looking ridiculous, eat salad, drink soy milk, and have no desire to go fast, cover serious distances, or ever be taken seriously by proper bikers.
As I said, different universes.
People have taken cubs, and vespas around the world; they can go serious distances but you need to adventurous to try it.
Both type of riders need to think outside the box. I have a roadster naked motorcycle and a classic Vespa - I enjoyed them both equally and love having the different experience riding them. Same universe, different experiences- both bring many smiles per mile. 🙂
Your second to last paragraph is completely meaningless for Italian scooter riders... it's used there as a daily serious transportation tool, a way to get from place to place... not to strike an image, join a group, have fun, or compete, etc... it's a perfect tool for getting around in an Italian city, large or small...
This video makes me want another Vespa... Already got an ET4 (first of the 4 stroke autos) but would really like an old 2 stroke PX, I've also got an old skool GSXR750 but the Vespa is so much more practical for my cross town commute and still great fun.
My dad in 1986 bought a Vespa Px125 arcobaleno E and still to this day he drives it like he was young again. I really like driving it , im glad my dad bought it
My understanding was that the Vespa was born out of Piaggio looking for something to do with the large number of nose gears it still had on hand after WWII. They were used as front suspension for the Vespa. No?
We have a PX150 that's sadly been languishing in the garage since before the pandemic. Hopefully, that will change soon.
What a great video, I never paid too much attention to the Vespa but this was eye-opening. Incredible how difficult times bring out the best of the human mastermind.
By far the best video about the history of the Vespa. I do hope you'd consider making a video about how motorscooters evolved from the Vespa, to the new Maxiscooters by Suzuki like the Burgman, etc.
Great video and History Lesson~!! I saw the funniest picture the other day and it showed an old dark green Vespa sitting on it's lift-up kick stand and painted across the back of the big wide seat it said= "No, I don't want a Harley"~! Damn funny~!
Bart, are you familiar with the Lambretta scooter? It may be an interesting topic for a video. I owned one in the late 1960s bought from a man who owned it in Italy where he was stationed with the military for a while. I think he had it flown back to the USA. It was a 150 cc model and was quite good.
"When the average italian think of motorcycles, he thinks of triumph or harley". Well... there were italian motorcycles in existence in those days, Ducati, Moto Guzzi, Benelli, etc.
I always found it interesting how the Vespa has the exact same design philosophy as the Honda Pacific Coast, it being of designing a sleek motorcycle where all the mechanical parts are hidden similarly to in a car, and it's meant to be more appealing to the masses who aren't necessarily motorcycle fans but will be sold on the practicality of it. However, where the Pacific Coast failed, the Vespa succeeded, because although the Pacific Coast is cool as hell, it is also too big, expensive and intimidating to have any kind of mainstream success, while the Vespa truly feels like a vehicle the average person would ride.
Probably the only motorcycle that has managed to replicate the success of the Vespa is the Honda Super Cub.
Another thing I find interesting is how other brands have struggled to make their scooters cool, something where the Vespa greatly succeeded at. Scooters are typically seen as purely utilitarian by most, some even consider them to be a bit dorky compared to a "real" motorcycle, but Vespas were something people actively desired, they wanted one just because they know they would look cool as hell while riding it, and I don't think I could say the same about any other scooter, I mean yeah they have their fans but I doubt many would buy a Kymco Agility 125 to impress girls.
I think that Vespa and VW bug is a good comparison. There were many fans of both and for the same reasons. Both air cooled simple but innovative drive train with aerodynamic (voluptuous) bodies. Both intended to be inexpensive transportation. Wildly popular leading to a well stocked restoration fan base more than half a century later. Small incremental changes to the same basic design over decades.....I love them both.
In Saigon there are kazillions of scooters - and the Vespa is very highly prized amongst them.
That *"something to straddle"* is what makes me in control when I am riding.
The sheet metal work is great. I can not comprehend how it can be so round.
It was unmentioned but Vespa also took a stab at the Dakar Rally, not very successful I might add. But they did
“Beauty comes from function in a more powerful way than if you’re just trying to make something beautiful.” Nice.
I disagree with his assessment, but it is occasionally true. Mainly though we just remember the functional objects which also happen to be appealing. Contrast the B-2 with a Cessna 172. The designs of both are strictly influenced by their function and both are iconic, but we remember one for being beautiful and always use the other one as the butt of a joke.
Great look into history of Vespa.
Loved it.
My first motorcycle was a Vespa built under licence by Douglas. It still had the rod gear changing. The headlight was mounted on the front legshield so it wouldn't point around a corner. It had a very comfortable seat and a solid carrier and a lockable weatherproof luggage container. A single transfer port with a special crown piston. It had done a HUGE distance when I sold it. Most modern Japanese bikes needed to be rebuilt when moving only a third of the distance. It was a very special machine and I regret parting with it.
Sounds like you had a rare and special bike.....you get to keep the memories.
i’m trying to convince my girlfriend to get one so i can ride my interceptor and she can be next to me on the scoot. we would look so hipster and cool
edit: there are many reasons for owning a motorcycle, but if you can’t admit to yourself that part of it is that they’re cool, then get back on your v-strom or NC750X and let me pretend i’m in the 70s on my royal enfield
Yes, we did that. .. and you will be! Cool, I mean. These two bikes go well together round town. Enjoy.
Pretty lame to get a motorcycle to "look" a certain way.
You should get a motorcycle to ride it.
Pretty lame to virtue signal about something so simple as motorcycle riding. People ride for all kinds of reason. Besides, half the fun of motorcycle riding is the looks. Unless you ride a POS that looks like it’s put together with duck tape, then you shouldn’t be talking.
I think you should instead get a sidecar
well... a newer Vespa is sort of a good choice
CVT, EFI would go as high as 300cc's
personally would choose the 300cc Vespa just because it can easily keep up with traffic
and the torque!
the older Vespa with a 2 stroke engine is not so great (for a not mechanically inclined person)
-Italian Electricals will mess with you from time to time
-Seasonal Carburetor Tuning
-Breaker Point Gap will have to be checked from time to time
-it's a 2 stroke engine so the spark plug will require frequent cleaning, you would have to prevent high speed engine braking (if you're running pre-mixed fuel)
-Fuel Economy is also bad..
4-5L/100km plus 2 stroke oil
A Vespa is far more practical in city driving than a full sized motorcycle.
At last! Someone who recognizes that greatness of Luca!
Any movie about a quest for a Vespa is by nature great.
The Grom is, to a great extent, another of many variations on the Supercub engine. From the original pushrod 50 to the Super 90 (also capable of an honest 60mph) and any number of small and large wheeled machines, the basic powerplant has survived and thrived.
All without quad carburetors or tuned race exhaust.
Always been a scooter guy myself, and while Piaggio may have called it a motorcycle, motor-scooters borrow their design from push scooters and evolved from there, while motorcycles evolved from the bicycle. From what I understand, the inspiration for the Vespa was taken from Cushman scooters that were used during WW2. I'll grant, He took the design and made it very Italian, but the cues from the Cushman are there, just very developed and refined.
Also, the initial release of the Grom has a 4 speed gearbox. The five speed was introduced in the 2021 models.
Well done, well done Enrico Piaggio for Vespa and Corradino d'Ascanio for designing the Vespa or Wasp in Italian, you made scooters stylish and maybe even invented scooters.
God bless his soul.
i have a 50s smallframe in Greece....simple ultra ultra ultra ultra ultra ultra reliable ,Brings a smile on my face everytime
Another well done video. I never actually realized quite how long ago the first Vespa came out. Also somehow didn't realize they were built by Piaggio despite me knowing of that company for their aerospace side.
I recall that the first Vespa engine was originally an auxiliary power unit for Piaggio bombers.
I'm in my 60's and my balance is not as good as it once was, so I am beginning to look into the Piaggio MP3, three-wheeled "motorcycles". The main problem is that there are no dealers within an hours drive, making servicing an issue. Does anyone have a good idea of the overall reliability of the current Piaggio lines? So far, I have only owned Japanese-branded motorcycles and have literally had no issues. TBH, I would feel more comfortable with a Yamaha TriCity, but I don't think they are sold in the US.
You would have NO problems with a Piaggio product.
Service centers can pick up your bike and return it after servicing.
If there's a problem while you're on the road, services like "AAA" can transport the bike and you to a service center.
@@usernamemykel Thanks. I did an inventory check and can't even a MP3 in stock within a three hour drive! I will keep my eye out, though.
I understand that is focused on Piaggio Vespa but there is an iconic iteration of this in India. Bajaj started selling Vespas from 80s as 'Priya'(Dear) and later put out the better version called 'Chetak' that looked far better than the 1985 version of Vespa in collab with LML. The Chetak '97 was that dream 'dad's vehicle' that children enjoyed the rides on.
Every single country on earth made their own Scooters or copied Vespa, India is not special
@@ghost963cz I was only referring to licensed Vespa not any other scooter. And India is special for me.
There is a chetak in front of me rusting
@@ghost963cz Why so salty dude?
@@ghost963cz Mine didn't, we made licensed Lambrettas instead lol
There is an incredible return of Vespas in Europe. I was in Munich a few weeks ago, and the Vespas are everywhere. It's easy to spot more than 2 dozens a day while walking the streets.
Great video, very informative and well presented. One comment tho, in Latin America there are many countries whose main mode of transport IS traditional, tubular frame, large-radius two wheeled motorcycles. Cheers.
I found this of interest because have a Genuine "Buddy 50 "2 stroke scooter, made in Taiwan (not crappy China) AND a Honda "GROM".
The "Buddy" is built with the reliability of any Honda product - it's a 2018 model and I've had NO issues with it in the five years I've owned it.
Both the "Buddy" (made by "PGO", a premier manufacturer of scooters) and the "GROM" are so very much FUN to ride, and certainly easy to ride at my current age of 78 years (Imperial, not Metric).
It's amazing how tight a turn one can make with either ride by making either heavily LEAN into the turn.
Very nice content, and well presented
In the early 1970s, I owned two Vespas. I have no idea what the model numbers were. Both my girlfriend at the time and I took our motorcycle license test on them. Completing the low speed maneuvering course was a little tricky as the engine and transmission were on the right side so the bike was not balanced. Also, the Vespa I had was fitted with a foot operated clutch and foot rear brake. Fortunately, the examiner I had understood the problems with the Vespa and took pity on my in grading my test. They were fun, durable, and cheap.
I had a Vespa 150 back on the early 1960s. It was a great design. You could easily change the tires. It won an industrial design award.
"We are Scooter Brothers my friend, Scooter Brothers!"
The best thing about the Piaggio vespa is that it gave us the Piaggio Ape, which to this day combines hauling capacity and utility with the comfort of sitting in a metal box.
I had a 125 cc Vespa when I was 17 years old, I was using it to go for rides to go to school and when was raining I wasn't getting water on my feet and legs while my friends on motorcycles did. It was good in winter all I had to wear was good gloves and a good jacket while my legs were always protected from cold air. Very light and very easy to drive. The good old days very GOOD FUN ! more fun than PlayStation 5.
And because of the vespa, scooters are the most commonly used motorcycle in most parts of Asia especially here in Southeast Asia. Unlike how America sees scooters, almost like an afterthought, scooters here are given the same respect as any other motorcycle, and yes we do consider scooters as motorcycle I know many wouldn't agree. Scooters are used in short rides, long rides, daily drivers, for businesses, for leisure, etc.
I was in Italy (Sorrento) a couple of weeks ago and I would guess that every other adult was riding a Vespa. They are particularly useful for the narrow streets and alleys of a typical Italian town. Italians are terrible drivers and often zoom up behind pedestrians at high speed. At least you can hear them coming by the loud engine noise - the new-fangled electric bikes and scooters are more deadly for being silent! Great vid, bro!
Great doc. I really ejoyed learning the history. Bravo
I have a 2003 Genuine Stella, a Vespa PX150 (1982) made in India for the American market. It is now 20 years old and in use every day there is no ice one the road. The last time it was at the dealer for maintenance was 18 years ago. It looks almost like brand new. The spark plug is 15 years old. It starts right up, runs fine and goes as fast as when new. I clean the air cleaner once a year, change the tires every 2-3 years, a new battery every 5-6 years, also clean out the carburetor about then. It comes with a tool kit that will do about anything you could do alongside the road. Around town I get about 100mpg. It will carry ten bags of groceries by putting plastic crates on the luggage racks. It has hauled firewood. A group of kids came from India to our church once, and when they saw it they all piled on and took it for a ride. Their leader saw this and stopped them, he said it was dangerous for 9 to be riding at once, so 2 had to get off and wait a turn. I think it will last longer than I do.
Such a beautiful vehicle to be stylish on, was more about the person than any motorcycle
Nice, thorough and concise. Thank you.
Hi Bart! This is some of your best work yet! I love Vespas and two strokes in general. Would you consider doing a video on the Jawa Babetta? It was pretty much the Vespa of the Soviet Union. Basic transportation in the right place at the right time.
Maybe add Riga too:)
States that require additional motor vehicle endorsements , call Vespas motorcycles. My state (Washington) differentiates between 2 wheel and 3 wheel motorcycles.
Am I the only who's always felt a strong relationship between the Fiat 500 and the Vespa? Kinda like the motorcycle and car equivalent of each other?
Last year I decided to replace my Sym Mio 50cc scooter (very cute/Vespa inspired) with something faster, and found not just a Vespa, but the Vespa 946. I fell in love. If you're going to get a scooter, get a Vespa (but Korean models are great for budget). If you're going to get a Vespa, get the 946! A local dealer had a low mile 2013 (first year for the model) and I've tripled the miles on it. Absolutely love it!! (Though skip '18-22 featured designers--distract from the beauty of the body shape). Though this year for a little more comfort on hilly freeways (hard to avoid in my area), I added a new Piaggio BV400 after months of reviewing motorcycle options for 300-600cc range.... And really I love both!