I agree with Patrick, too many are more cosmetic than properly done. I do it to ride them, not to sit admiring the paintwork (I'm rubbish at painting anyway). I can understand not stripping a unit down just for the sake of it if it's running well but I'd at least want to see in the primary case to get an idea of how it's been wearing / treated. I haven't seen a sprocket that bad before. Thank you for the attention to detail as always.
That’s why all the classic toys that I own, cars, old tractors and motorcycles, have been meticulously rebuilt/restored by me and me alone. Thanks for the video 👍.
"fully serviced" = oil change ( but not always the filter). "refurbished" = changed the oil and the filter and then give the bike a deep clean and polish until very shiny. That primary drive is deplorable and the slop in the rotor indicates that the "restorer" may not have looked into the engine case at all.
Ouch! How disappointing! I hope the owner will see fit to fix it.. If one is a buyer its hard to know if your being taken to the cleaners.Video documentation is best along with showing the prospective buyer the old parts and receipts. Thanks Paul.
Another sad story of a buy that turns out to be a poor rebuild, without X Ray vision you only have the sellers word unless you can run it. Not always the case if its through eBay etc. As you say there must have been a knocking and plenty of chain slap from that primary side. The RM19 / 21? / stators are prone to fracture or break down over time. I think It's best to buy a low cost machine you like, get it up to good order yourself or with the help of an owners club then hang onto it providing you with years of pleasure LOL. I am sure you will sort it out nice clip thanks for sharing 👍
You know, it is not Paul's bike... He is a professional and doing the work for the customer. I think he is showing these mainly as a guide (or an example) for people planning to do a purchase or planning to do restoration work themselves.
On my bikes, always used common earthing points, one on the headlamp and one at the battery with a 6mm cable connecting them and the Zener . Makes a difference to the charging and supported a Cibié headlight back then!
As you said That rotor hasn't come loose like that in the last few miles! It's taken a while as has that primary chain and clutch basket teeth! I'd be wondering what the smarties are like in the clutch center? Otj used to do a conversion to index the rotor into the threaded puller holes in the engine primary sprocket
I had an alternator rotor that was like that on an old pre-unit Thunderbird (magneto fired with no battery), when you turned the lights on there was this funny noise came out from the primary..... eventually it failed a little more and managed to eat the stator !
One would wonder how that rotor came loose like that. Hopefully the play didn't damage the crank. I'm having my own woes with a 1000 fireblade I bought, it had one spun rod bearing, and I sent the crank out for repairs. I hope to have it back together by spring. Second hand bikes can be a pain sometimes.
I had the same thing with my Norton model 50 bought from a well known classic dealer professional rebuild he said rear wheel wobbling about l had to fit a new charging system brake drums skimmed speedo didn’t work fuel tank leaking didn’t have the right float in carburettor front road holder fork tube cracked the bike was a death trap . They shouldn’t be selling them with out M.o.T. s the reviews on his website are amazing you couldn’t go rong never buy without looking first live and learn😃
One of the reasons I like a low mileage original motorcycles. Less goobers messing about with things. Cosmetic restoration looks pretty but probably isn't in good mechanical condition.
I bought a bantam D1, very similar situation - when investigated the piston had only one ring!! Crank was sloppy as.. but never mind, I’m rebuilding it and these videos are all helpful and inspiring. If I’ve got your attention Paul, what’s the maximum difference/tolerance do you think is acceptable between the piston and cylinder for an old D1?
Those Lucas alternator rotors were notorious for coming loose on their centres, it did on my triumph, made a knocking noise. Someone does a better type that don't do that.
My vintage British motorcycles are either low mileage original motorcycles or l bought them running.After losing my beautiful BMW100/7 all done except paint to a woman 👠 who pulled out in front of me and left me 2 ft to stop in.Destroyed the bike. Got my URAL side car outfit running again. Have been nervous about putting one of my vintage British motorcycles back on the road.l have had my Sportster for 25 years and I have had my Triumph Tr-6 with a hard tail and magneto for 40 years. Not that my Sportster is expedible. I cherish the motorcycle l can get it worked on so I got her running again. Cleaned the carburetor for the first time in 25 years. Just got a new set of Kenda Kruisers for the bike. My URAL side car outfit is a tank. Rap the fender with your hand and you will hurt 🤕 your knuckles. She rolled across a parking lot like a shopping 🛒 and caved in the side of a brand new Honda Fit. Didn't even break the tail light.
I agree with Patrick, too many are more cosmetic than properly done. I do it to ride them, not to sit admiring the paintwork (I'm rubbish at painting anyway). I can understand not stripping a unit down just for the sake of it if it's running well but I'd at least want to see in the primary case to get an idea of how it's been wearing / treated. I haven't seen a sprocket that bad before. Thank you for the attention to detail as always.
That’s why all the classic toys that I own, cars, old tractors and motorcycles, have been meticulously rebuilt/restored by me and me alone. Thanks for the video 👍.
Right well proper you are, mon ami !
That bikes in good hands,Im quite sure you will have it in fine fettle again,but it is heartbreaking when you find stuff like this....
I've renewed 2 Lucas stators in 2021. 1976 T140V and 1971 T100S. But they did last for 50 y.
"fully serviced" = oil change ( but not always the filter). "refurbished" = changed the oil and the filter and then give the bike a deep clean and polish until very shiny. That primary drive is deplorable and the slop in the rotor indicates that the "restorer" may not have looked into the engine case at all.
Restored for profit, not for love.
Old saying of "If you are making money off restorations, you are doing it wrong." springs to mind....
so many `full restorations`are just cosmetic, whereas problems tend to be mechanical
Yes, Patrick, it would seem to be the case all too often.
Ouch! How disappointing! I hope the owner will see fit to fix it.. If one is a buyer its hard to know if your being taken to the cleaners.Video documentation is best along with showing the prospective buyer the old parts and receipts. Thanks Paul.
I always laugh when I see a classic for sale, listed as 'fully restored' for an extortionate amount, and wonder who did the restoration, and how well?
Another sad story of a buy that turns out to be a poor rebuild, without X Ray vision you only have the sellers word unless you can run it. Not always the case if its through eBay etc. As you say there must have been a knocking and plenty of chain slap from that primary side. The RM19 / 21? / stators are prone to fracture or break down over time. I think It's best to buy a low cost machine you like, get it up to good order yourself or with the help of an owners club then hang onto it providing you with years of pleasure LOL. I am sure you will sort it out nice clip thanks for sharing 👍
You know, it is not Paul's bike... He is a professional and doing the work for the customer.
I think he is showing these mainly as a guide (or an example) for people planning to do a purchase or planning to do restoration work themselves.
Hi Paul that's an easy decision for the owner it will be a great bike fully sorted he will know what he is riding from now on !
Ooh, that clutch basket's gotta go along with the chain and a good exam of the primary sprocket as well.
back in the day, these 250s, probably most 250s then, were learner legal, and thrashed to death, with little or no maintenance
Hi Steve, I totally agree and these days we have a lot of 'restorers' who don't do a brilliant job.
On my bikes, always used common earthing points, one on the headlamp and one at the battery with a 6mm cable connecting them and the Zener . Makes a difference to the charging and supported a Cibié headlight back then!
As you said
That rotor hasn't come loose like that in the last few miles! It's taken a while as has that primary chain and clutch basket teeth!
I'd be wondering what the smarties are like in the clutch center? Otj used to do a conversion to index the rotor into the threaded puller holes in the engine primary sprocket
I have loved and learned so much from your vids mate...looking forward to this year...happy new year mate ...thank you you are an inspiration..🇨🇦
Thank you very much! Happy new year!
I had an alternator rotor that was like that on an old pre-unit Thunderbird (magneto fired with no battery), when you turned the lights on there was this funny noise came out from the primary..... eventually it failed a little more and managed to eat the stator !
One would wonder how that rotor came loose like that. Hopefully the play didn't damage the crank. I'm having my own woes with a 1000 fireblade I bought, it had one spun rod bearing, and I sent the crank out for repairs. I hope to have it back together by spring. Second hand bikes can be a pain sometimes.
It's not uncommon for the magnet to come loose in those rotors
The centre remains tight but the whole rotor becomes loose, eventually it disintegrates
@@nickmarshall9192 Lucky he caught it in time then.
My face would be hidden, in em-BAREASS-ment, if'n I was the miscreant who did the repairs on that machine.
"Nimium ne crede colori" -Virgil
Bit of a horror show, really. You'll sort it, I'm sure. Happy new year, mate.
I had the same thing with my Norton model 50 bought from a well known classic dealer professional rebuild he said rear wheel wobbling about l had to fit a new charging system brake drums skimmed speedo didn’t work fuel tank leaking didn’t have the right float in carburettor front road holder fork tube cracked the bike was a death trap . They shouldn’t be selling them with out M.o.T. s the reviews on his website are amazing you couldn’t go rong never buy without looking first live and learn😃
There are definitely those out there who should be closed down!
One of the reasons I like a low mileage original motorcycles. Less goobers messing about with things. Cosmetic restoration looks pretty but probably isn't in good mechanical condition.
I bought a bantam D1, very similar situation - when investigated the piston had only one ring!! Crank was sloppy as.. but never mind, I’m rebuilding it and these videos are all helpful and inspiring. If I’ve got your attention Paul, what’s the maximum difference/tolerance do you think is acceptable between the piston and cylinder for an old D1?
Hi Adrian and thanks. I would imagine approx 4 thou piston to bore clearance would be about right, but a manual will tell you for sure.
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All that gliters is not gold......
Greed, there's a lot of it about .
Those Lucas alternator rotors were notorious for coming loose on their centres, it did on my triumph, made a knocking noise. Someone does a better type that don't do that.
I've had rotors that disintegrated internally,
knocking about within themselves.
Date code showed 30+ years,generally.
The restored classic market is sketchy. It's why I have a modern Triumph. I love those old ones but I don't want to own one. Cheers,
I totally agree. Beautiful are the classics, but modern classic Triumphs are also beautiful and are also riders bikes
My vintage British motorcycles are either low mileage original motorcycles or l bought them running.After losing my beautiful BMW100/7 all done except paint to a woman 👠 who pulled out in front of me and left me 2 ft to stop in.Destroyed the bike. Got my URAL side car outfit running again. Have been nervous about putting one of my vintage British motorcycles back on the road.l have had my Sportster for 25 years and I have had my Triumph Tr-6 with a hard tail and magneto for 40 years. Not that my Sportster is expedible. I cherish the motorcycle l can get it worked on so I got her running again. Cleaned the carburetor for the first time in 25 years. Just got a new set of Kenda Kruisers for the bike. My URAL side car outfit is a tank. Rap the fender with your hand and you will hurt 🤕 your knuckles. She rolled across a parking lot like a shopping 🛒 and caved in the side of a brand new Honda Fit. Didn't even break the tail light.