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Wow .. you really laid it on thick on us. U really think youtubers are exaggerating the wokening of the entertainment we get ? Or did u mean that it's overdone ?!
I think it's been overdone by Hollywood to the point where TH-camrs (and also many fans) are seeing the woke formula in everything and spotting it from a mile away. Now when anything that could be an indication of the woke formula is spotted in production photos or trailers it's highlighted as a possible sign a show or adaptation could be bad.
On one hand, glad it probably means we won't get Yu Yu Hakusho Live Action, which would be a god send; on the other, probably means we won't get the Yu Yu Hakusho anime on Netflix - which for some may be good but for others, may be bad since that show is peobably onky watchable on offbrand sites.
well. no. 1) the actress/actor is the final decision maker. 2) and they are responsible for their performance. good actors can make shitty roles mediocre. bad actors in good roles are just bad. shit actors with shit roles... look for a new job. period. (rey, anakin, fin and rose are four examples for the last one)
@@AkiSan0 Also I heard actors improvise in the audition so they probably did it exactly the same and the company loved it an ran with it. Why should netflix apologize they gave the actor a chance that had like zero roles to her or his name.
Gren was one of my favorite characters, a war veteran trying to resolve his past. His feminine features were (in a sense) war scars which he has to live with. With his altered body, he was trapped in the past in a literal sense. He only moved on when he finally confronted his past. The Netflix's version of Gren was just threw away a complex, full character with a stereotypical trope from Rocky Horror... where his sexuality was his whole identity. I found that insulting.
The creators of this adaptation should be ashamed of themselves. Thank you for touching on the points that you did, and thank you for sharing your story.
They should be even more ashamed of allowing Fey’s actress to act holier than thou over the way fans of the original attacked her. I lost all interest in the show when I saw the coverage of her being a b*tch to… …AHEM… …POTENTIAL VIEWERS and the Trailer for it. It just seems like the life was taken out of it, with the casting being the least of the issues. It could just be that they felt like they were “fixing it” by imposing, as Sophia and an innumerable amount of people have all collectively said (albeit, with some to themselves, as to not be fired/cancelled/made an Online Pariah) tired and incredibly rote method of “updating and making a work more inclusive/[Buzzwords x50] for the Present” which even Hollywood insiders are starting to come out and admit is a thing nobody ACTUALLY BELIEVES; much less people really wanted. I’m giving things another 2-6 Years before the pendulum swings back into the other direction and slowly starts stopping towards the Middle. It’s for the best, really.
@@yeez13The same person who complained about Fey's original outfit can be seen wearing much less in her previous catalogue of roles. The hypocrisy and C U Next Tuesday attitude sealed it for me. I was never gonna be a dedicated viewer, but I would have at least watched the 1st episode. She made sure I cancelled my Netflix subscription lol
Its really refreshing to hear someone actually talk about the travesty that they did to Gren. I didnt even know that was supposed to be him until the second to last episode. Gren is important for me as well. when I watched this on adult swim as dumb child who didnt know anything, the one scene that was burned forever into my mind was that shower scene with him and the reveal of his female parts and not just cus boobies. Even tho Gren is clearly a guy and not trans It really struck a cord in me, I'm a transgirl and I was dealing with gender dysphoria even back then and didnt understand it and repressed it I think I had this fascination with MTF situations and themes (go figure lol) and this was the first time I saw a character in this situation where it wasnt played for laughs or a gag. It was serious and it implanted 2 ideas, one that men can become women (involuntarily in this case) and also the idea that you can feel alienated by your own body, to 6 or 7 year old me that was a revelation. The other end of it relates more to my teenage and adult life I relate deeply to him because I was emotionally used and manipulated by a guy who I had fallen for hard. We dated mostly online for almost a year and stayed close after, he knew I had feelings and I knew he didnt anymore if he ever did, in retrospect I genuinely think he was a sociopath just because of the way he talked about people and the world sometimes. A couple years went by and he needed a roommate desperately and I needed a new start so i moved to whole new state and a big city. I told him before hand, I planned on starting Hormone therapy when I got settled and he was super supportive and made a bunch of promises of things we'd do and how fun it'll be I'm almost positive he knew I still had feelings, and I foolishly thought once Id been transitioning for a while that maybe we might rekindle or atleast spend time together, only for me to be used for my money and company until something better came along. Once he found a new gf and she moved in shortly after (which they didnt discuss with me) then I was third wheeled, lied to, ganged up on threatened and kicked out of an apartment I had helped finance, all while at my most vulnerable. He was like family to me and he went behind my back, just shoved me away like that and cut all ties that same day. Its a whole long story but trying to keep things brief. The worst part is its been years and as much as I've moved on I still think about it and about him every now and again, there was never any closure. Tbh Id prolly do some crazy things just to understand his reasons and if the bond we had was ever real. Gren has so much nuance and implications as a character he really stands out to me and makes the world feel real and lived in cowboy bebop has aged like fine wine I'll fight anyone lol sorry ive been holding in this rant for a while
Great vid. Sorry to hear about your experience. As a military member, it makes me so frustrated and upset when our organization doesn't know what the f*ck they're doing and they end up messing people up. Glad you do what you do now.
Gotta love how, in their attempts to be progressive, they just turned the characters into offensive charicatures. I love seeing honest representation in media, but what we're given is disingenuous and used for selling points, which I find despicable.
It really felt like the actor who played Gren only did so to show off themselves vs portray a character which, if true, says a lot about how the person views the property and acting gigs in general. At least Cho tried to be and look like Spike but Gren was a complete 180 to what the character was. In the end, Netbop's Gren is modern day SLAYKWEEN shit and the kween trope is already played out, especially when you consider how it's more about ego and vapid narcissism than self confidence and inner strength.
@@vault1549 It all depends on the anime. More grounded stories are easy enough to reproduce. In the case of Bebop, being so heavily influenced by american cinema it shoudl have been fairly easy, you just need competent people, and there's quite a few of those in the industry. If you're talking about the more crazy stuff like JoJo's, Dragon Ball, One Piece, etc, you are right. But there's tons of shojo manga, seinen manga and chambara inspired action manga (like Rurouni Kenshin) that can and have been adapted successfully.
Oh fuck off stop gatekeeping i love anime and i want good live action adaptations of my favorite anime and i do believe it's possible too do it. I want too do it because i know there are people that will never watch anime but the could see a live action version of the same story, like with comics and there is nothing wrong with that.
That's not necessarily true it simply depends on what anime you're talking about. Steamboy, or Rose of Versaille for instance would make great live action films, and as we've seen Kenshin made a fantastic live action film.
The stain glass window pieces look way more shit and fake in this than they did in the 2003 Daredevil film where Bullseye was catching them to throw. Jeezus.
Oh god I am so happy I watched Cowboy Bebop again. The only good thing is everyone came together and laughed. They did Faye and Julia dirty like the writers hate woman who are sexy AND deep.
i love how they flame about diversity and female empowerment and when you watch the old strong female roles, they are leagues beyond what they dish out today. just take alien. the cast got more diverse without it being forced. ripley is STILL one of the most BA female lead roles ever played (same with mila in at least two roles and sarah connor).
"Strong female character" means "average looking girl with loads of toxic masculinity and nothing more". Honestly, they feel like female version of Duke Nukem but without the self-aware douchebag humor.
I didn't see Julia as a damsel in distress, if anything she's just as dangerous as Spike or Vicious. Spikes vision and description of her throughout the series was one thing but when we finally meet her she was so much more than words could describe.
The irony is that many had great enthusiasm when this was announced should have been a success but when the creator said he was not involved and that he was warning people its out of his control that was a red light for me
I think you captured it best, when you said that the Netflix show creators saw Cowboy Bebop as a cartoon. They have no clue what made the anime endearing, or why it persisted throughout a generation. All they saw was an opportunity to take advantage of a known brand and inject it with their horsecrap ideas, that neither respected nor elevated the source material. I'm glad this travesty was cancelled. If people want to experience Cowboy Bebop, they should stick to the series and the movie.
I'm a fellow retired Army MSV survivor. I really love your videos. I often find myself doubting myself when questioning the nuances of culture and discourse. I think your videos do a fantastic job of not only reassuring my that my politically moderate views are okay, but you do an even better job of articulating points than I think I ever could. I don't want you to do my thinking for me, but you 100% are a fantastic resource for marshalling my thoughts on emotionally charged issues. Never quit, Queen.Slay and all that.
Masterful review and Your story is impactful and your courage to speak out about is endearing. Gren is important character ,Netflix just turned him in to furniture. I feel sorry for Mutafah ,John Cho, they were given a horrible script and dialog. Well if Cowboy Bebop can be massacred , I hope One Piece fans are prepared for the pain.
It got to a point that, after hearing about Gren's character and backstory, I just *KNEW* that Netboy would change him to be either trans or non-binary, because the woke are so damn predictable, and ironically disrespectable, it's not even funny.
I'm so sorry you had to suffer through this travesty Sophia. The clips I've seen alone are enough for me to want to hurl up my breakfast, and I can't even imagine watching through it all without getting an aneurysm. Hope you've survived with only minor brain-damage.
I hate how that clown who play the role of Gren will appear also on the Neil Gaiman's Sandman adaptation. I love those comics and I can already feel bad for how lame and cheap they will handle the whole thing. This is the worse of the timelines. =/
I've watched a good few videos on the Netflix adaptation of Bebop and it still baffles me how badly it turned out. I wanted to give it a chance, but in the back of my mind, I knew that was a bad idea. I just wanted to say thank you for sharing your story and for your review in general, it was well-crafted, humourous, concise and full of passion. :D
Have to admit, I did not fully 'get' Gren but you eloquently explained it. Netflix writers could NOT accept a man considering female attributes negative so they went the direction they went. That Gren saw his feminization as a constant reminder of his trauma in the prison AND Vicious's betrayal is...wow. Yeah, that makes sense and is layered, serious characterization and writing. Something Netflix cannot fathom or execute (see also Jet's former partner and how they handled that). Great review and I hope you get the help and healing you need. Thank you for your openness and analysis.
Missed a chance to say "With hammer and cycle in hand." Other than that I agree whole heartedly on everything said here. Learning that Faye was now a martial artist, that Gren leaned into the body alterations, and the horrifying appearing of a live action Ed was bad enough, but for me it was Green Bird. That whole scene embodies what was to come for the rest of the show. Its reflected right at the very end when you see their wounds are similar to when they fought in the Church. Vicious wanting to win through a display of strength and power, while all Spike wanted was Vicious to be dead regardless of if his own life had to be sacrificed to make it happen. All ruinned for a 'girl boss' moment completely neutering the store and the reason for the antagonism between Spike and Vicious outright.
I never have a problem with characters being changed up a bit here and there. (Hear me out.) But when you take on adapting a property and reimagining it or rethinking it or rebuilding it for a new audience, you have to follow a bit of algebre. If you're going to take subtract something from the source material for your adaptation, you have to add something into your adaptation of equal value. For example, let's take the Netflix adaptation of "A Series of Unfortunate Events" which is exceptional. They completely changed the character of Madame Lulu from the 9th book. And it worked! Because what they added was of equal value to the whole of the project. You also need to know what you can't touch. In the books, you felt the main characters were just a tiny drop in a very big bucket. And you never fully got all the answers of exactly what "it" was. It was basically the theme of the "unattainable truth." Always being right there, right where you can see it, but can never fully grasp it. That appealed a lot to us fans, but it was also a point of criticism. Now, it would have been very easy to justify "Well, we want people who never read the books to like it. We're trying to appeal to a whole new audience. Blah, blah, blah." But they knew not to do that. They knew the first people who are going to watch it are the fans of the books. So, what they ended up doing was only really answering questions from the book that the fans already highly suspected anyway, just was never confirmed. So it was satisfying to the fans who could say, "Ohhh! We were right!", and less confusing to newcomers. And for special spice, the would have cut away scenes featuring one of the other characters that would later meet the kids, but you never knew which character it was. And that's the bottom line: Know what your audience liked. I've never seen Cowboy Bebop. But I can already suspect even if they were going to have Gren as a character on the side, not to mess around with the much deeper aspects of his character.
I am so glad you covered this. Great content as always! The level of awful this show exudes is unbelievable. Too bad there are still those in denial and considers the criticism hate speak. It’s a further reminder how a good portion of films nowadays are losing their heart. Oh well, More than a great reason to rewatch the original.
A few things, Julia was never "just" a damsel in distress in the Anime. She was as capable as Faye. Her turning out to be the bad guy could have worked, just like almost every change they tried (except for Vicious being a whiny bitch), but the show runners were just too inept to pull it. I disagree that they wanted to "fix" Cowboy Bebop, or that they wanted to make it "woke" (the original Anime is even more woke). They simply wanted to make it more accessible to more people and expand on it, and they failed. It's weird and I don't think I have ever seen something like this, but even though I truly hated the 3 main characters, I think the actors were pretty good at working with the trash they were given. Specially Daniella Pineda, her face acting was superb, her lines were horrible and her fighting choreography was absolutely the worst (who holds a throwing knife like that?). I really hope to see her in something else.
The original anime was very progressive, but I wouldn’t call it woke. As I see it, wokeness lacks nuance and subtly, and the anime very much contained both of those things.
Rule #1 when making an adaptation of... well anything...:: Respect the source material. Even if you aren't going to follow it. Respect the source material. When Kurasawa made a Japanese adaptation of Macbeth, there was no emnity or anger or desire to right the wrongs the western world inflicted on Japan. It was a labor of love for both the playwrite and for the Japanese mythologies that made up the film's distinct look. I am also one who does not care for the idea of strictly adhering to source material. But I think it needs to be said a person should understand what it was that makes the original so special to its audience. And for those who say, "Well, it's not about the original fans. It's about attracting new fans." I'm sorry, but the original fans are the ones who are going to watch it first! People like me who never cared for Cowboy Bebop, aren't going to suddenly start caring for it! Especially when the longtime fans don't care. We don't have to harass the creators or hyperbolically pretend they ruined our lives. I can assure you, your life will go on. But I think it's okay to send good faith criticism as to why you don't like it.
@@annabel-lee9671 No. They did an amazing job with A Series of Unfortunate Events. They knew what made those books so beloved. And that's what makes this even more annoying. It's like, "Netflix, you know how to do this!" If they were just incompentent, we could just say, "Well you're just incompetent." But they're not. They're just not even doing their best work.
I recently watched the anime for the first time in my life and I thought it was amazing. This is coming from someone who isn't really a fan of anime in the first place. I took one glimpse at this remake and knew it was going to be a disaster but calling show a disaster is an understatement.
the people that wrote this show have the same respect for it as my Minnesota wildlife teacher. when i said the title he said "it sound's like it's for babies." also thank you for your service.
Your comparison of Netflix Cowboy Bebop to live action Scooby Doo reminded me of a comparison I made during my viewing. (Watched this thing the whole way through in one shot.) I compared the show to Batman Forever, and of course Batman and Robin. I also want to applaud your courage for sharing your personal story. That couldn't have been easy to talk about. Keep up the good work.
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I haven't and I will not watch the adaptation. I read an article and saw what they did to Gren, my so beloved character and I was so bitter and agitated that I couldn't sleep. That's how I found you. I took it as a persona offence to one of my all time favorites. I was so enraged with the whole concept of butchering a character! All of them in fact. I cried like a baby when Gren died, I ugly cried. And then the beauty and depth of it all taken away. :(
The fact that Hollywood takes someone’s art like “Grens story” and butchers it to make a quick buck is so freaking frustrating. These stories mean something to their audience, and yet they say there is something wrong with us if we protest such things. 😤
Gren was amazing in the original he tried to live a kinda normal life but all his hate and rage over the fact that vicious betrayed him combined with the breast he sees as a mutilation that will follow him for the rest of his life makes him throw everything away just for a chance to get revenge in the new one he was a guy in a dress It's funny to say that this show is woke when the anime had tones of representation and is incorporated in the story my biggest problem with it is vicious in the anime if you stay in his way or cross him you can buy yourself a grave, in the show he is kylo ren 0.5
This is probably the best review I've watched for this series. Very thoughtful and introspective, detailed, and all around just great. I want to thank you for sharing your story as well. To tell such a story to even one person is difficult enough, but to have the courage to put it out there for the world to see, is very inspiring. I'm a victim myself, but I don't like to talk about it much just because it's a personal story. And I've also struggled with my own identity my whole life, so Gren's story really spoke to me. To see what they did with him in the live action just... Broke my heart and made me so angry. I can almost guarantee that the execs saw this character, a man with breasts, and immediately went, "Oh! we can make him nonbinary! People on Twitter will love that!" Or something along those lines anyways lol. But yeah, sorry for the rant. Netflix trampling on Cowboy Bebop, Gren especially, really riles me up :'D Thanks for the review! Keep it up
i agree with all of the points made in this video and it baffles me why there aren't more people talking about these things. you said so many of the things that i wish other reviewers would say. even when people post negative reviews of the show they still seem to gloss over how literally OFFENSIVE the changes in this "adaptation" are.
Every third shot is a dutch angle for no particular reason to the point that it makes Battlefield Earth look restrained. Jupiter Jazz is not my favorite, in fact I often skip part 2, but they murdered Grenn in a similar way to how they murdered Vicious. They made Vicious, a young and handsome man prematurely aged by his cruelty and violence into Kylo Ren!
For all that NewBop was shit, I think that actor John Cho deserves a shout-out for watching the anime, making an effort to act like the Spike he saw in the anime, and pushing for the composer to be involved in the Netflix project. The show was bad, but the Cho was good, and it needs to be said. Another comment is that your story about the military loosely reminds me of a friend online who had a serious mental health issue while in basic training. He got no love from the army, and was actually abused by superiors, but he was fortunate to have a good sergeant who recognized that by the time he had run the problems he was having through the military justice system, his mental health problems would kill him. So the sergeant gave him instructions on how to get himself an other than honorable discharge and get out so he could access the civilian mental health system. It's not quite "I was raped and am considered 90% disabled" but my point is that you're definately not the only one who's seen that side of the Army.
Hollywood: We’re going to make Jet a Black guy. Me: Ok, cool. HW: He will be separated from the mother of his kid and essentially has abandoned his daughter in some vain attempt to live the bounty hunter life with some guy who is supposed to be half his age. Me: ……..oh my
They did the actor such a disservice. He wasn’t even bad as Jet, the material just totally let him down, and the bad stereotypes further didn’t help. What a mess of a show
@@Sophnar0747 It’s glaring now. I actually rewatched the series with a different lens and the “problems” it’s trying to fix are actually problematic themselves. Especially Gren. If they wanted to cast an NB actor, okay cool, but where was his backstory, his stoic rage, his sense of self? It’s like they just went down a checklist of “let’s see, Black guy ✅, queer character ✅, strong women who can’t weaponize their sexuality ✅ “ And that’s more insulting. Especially as someone that’s black and gay. Don’t just tokenize my race/sexuality and say “look how representative we are”. They literally did all the stereotypical Black/queer/female tropes all in the name of “representation” 😠
My disappointment with this and Netflix’s Death Note adaption have made me very concerned for their upcoming Sandman adaption. I’ve greatly enjoyed their live action versions of other American comic books, like the Umbrella Academy and Daredevil, but as Sandman is something I enjoyed long before I saw it announced on Netflix, I am very scared of what their grubby fingers will do to it. Sandman’s volumes are mature, filled with dread, emotion, and comedy, often delving into the good and the grime of humanity. I wanna say I can trust the current show runners as their a previous works show their appreciation for comics and source material, but even if Sandman is good, it still greatly disappoints me that Netflix keeps striking out when adapting anime and manga. I believe a good live action adaption of an anime can exist, but those who create it need to try respecting the source material or atleast acknowledge the love, story and craft that went into the original. The Cowboy Bebop anime and the Sandman novels are amazing and I recommend anyone to check them out in their original form because, in all honestly, I don’t want there to be a live action show of Sandman and I didn’t want one of Cowboy Bebop either, as Gaiman himself has said, "I'd rather see no Sandman movie made than a bad Sandman movie-.”
if spike would be 50, then maybe the cast was okay, but hes like 27? also his cockyness was missing from his character. most traits displayed by the actor are more commonly found in jet.
Damn that made me see this situation in a new light. At first as I agree with everybody here that Mason Alexander wanted to play Gren as an extention of himself that he feels that the characters' words he played will be gospel or worse trying to hard to be careful that the person may get CANCEL CULTURE just by acting hence the interview, also regarding the male gaze concerns with Faye kinda ironic that 2 hot chicks making out is still male gaze and the show felt it was made people who were ashamed of like drawn media like anime,comic books,manga,cartoons and video games that did not have the hollywood live action appeal, I would liken it to converting An American Tail live-action remake that converts the mice into human beings so they won't be laughed at/bullied for liking the story.
Stuff like this, along with Cuties, is why I shall NEVER support Netflix. NEVEEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR I still can't believe what they did to Gren. Picture perfect proof that the Progressivism the writers claimed is fake.
Thanks for sharing your views and thoughts. I now have a better insight to Gren and his character as well. Netflix destroyed this adaption with little care or consideration to anyone. In another comment section i had an argument with someone that had the nerve to say that the characters in cowboy bebop were evolved from the original, that i couldn't understand because im a blockhead and cultist. The funny thing in that whole conversation, that person never mention one thing that was good about the show, not one thing they actually like other than it was evolved(whatever that meens). Anyway keep up the great work.
I hear a lot of people say Bebop's "main story" is only a few episodes long, but I disagree somewhat. The main Spike/Vicious arc is the primary focus of a few episodes, but the show overall is an exploration of the characters throughout their adventures. We get glimpses into their pasts, and with every episode we peel away a layer to see what makes them tick, or we see how their personalities interact. That's why the "storyline" episodes hit so hard. Every character gets so thoroughly explored that once we see where fate takes them we laugh and/or we cry. This is why before the release of NewBop all the talk about "expanding on the characters and exploring things the original show didn't" on behalf of the actors and showrunners was so irritating. The original show was ENTIRELY about exploring the characters. The characters were the point. There's a reason Spike, Jet, Faye, Ed, Ein, etc are so memorable.
I never actually watched Bebop when it was airing back in the nineties. The Netflix show finally got me to see it and damn I can’t believe I slept on it for so long. What Netflix was the intentional destruction of art just to push a message nobody liked or wanted. Now they gotta carry the weight of their own poor decisions.
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Wow .. you really laid it on thick on us. U really think youtubers are exaggerating the wokening of the entertainment we get ? Or did u mean that it's overdone ?!
I think it's been overdone by Hollywood to the point where TH-camrs (and also many fans) are seeing the woke formula in everything and spotting it from a mile away. Now when anything that could be an indication of the woke formula is spotted in production photos or trailers it's highlighted as a possible sign a show or adaptation could be bad.
This wasn't a show, it was a character massacre.
We fixed it guys🤪
Pretty much. Every character was assassinated, they did not understand a thing about the OG shows characters.
Imagine making an adaptation so bad that it makes the rest of Netflix's plans for adaptations come to a screeching halt.
Good god. One Piece might even be worse than this.
On one hand, glad it probably means we won't get Yu Yu Hakusho Live Action, which would be a god send; on the other, probably means we won't get the Yu Yu Hakusho anime on Netflix - which for some may be good but for others, may be bad since that show is peobably onky watchable on offbrand sites.
theyre butchering the witcher as well. in the name of "fixing" and "modernizing" the problematic books.
These mfs are reaching new limits in a bad way
y do I c u everywhere u sob
I feel like Netflix owns an apology to the actress who played Ed for killing her career before it took off in such brutal fashion
well. no. 1) the actress/actor is the final decision maker. 2) and they are responsible for their performance. good actors can make shitty roles mediocre. bad actors in good roles are just bad. shit actors with shit roles... look for a new job. period. (rey, anakin, fin and rose are four examples for the last one)
@@AkiSan0 Also I heard actors improvise in the audition so they probably did it exactly the same and the company loved it an ran with it. Why should netflix apologize they gave the actor a chance that had like zero roles to her or his name.
@@Ilovegrunge123 Totally normal opinions to have about a 13 year old *child.*
@@cosmicowllie7394 ?????
@@cosmicowllie7394 totally normal opinions to have about an actor age is irrelevant.
a popular anime: **exists**
Netflix: I'm going to ruin childhood for the anime fans
Jesus Christ, how come TH-cam hasn’t recommended me your channel until now? This is a great video, you’re doing great. Cheers.
Gren was one of my favorite characters, a war veteran trying to resolve his past. His feminine features were (in a sense) war scars which he has to live with. With his altered body, he was trapped in the past in a literal sense. He only moved on when he finally confronted his past. The Netflix's version of Gren was just threw away a complex, full character with a stereotypical trope from Rocky Horror... where his sexuality was his whole identity. I found that insulting.
Ironically Mason Park was Dr. Frank-N-Furter at a Rocky Horror Musical....go figure
The creators of this adaptation should be ashamed of themselves.
Thank you for touching on the points that you did, and thank you for sharing your story.
What they did was a desecration.
They should be even more ashamed of allowing Fey’s actress to act holier than thou over the way fans of the original attacked her.
I lost all interest in the show when I saw the coverage of her being a b*tch to…
…AHEM…
…POTENTIAL VIEWERS and the Trailer for it.
It just seems like the life was taken out of it, with the casting being the least of the issues. It could just be that they felt like they were “fixing it” by imposing, as Sophia and an innumerable amount of people have all collectively said (albeit, with some to themselves, as to not be fired/cancelled/made an Online Pariah) tired and incredibly rote method of “updating and making a work more inclusive/[Buzzwords x50] for the Present” which even Hollywood insiders are starting to come out and admit is a thing nobody ACTUALLY BELIEVES; much less people really wanted.
I’m giving things another 2-6 Years before the pendulum swings back into the other direction and slowly starts stopping towards the Middle. It’s for the best, really.
@@yeez13The same person who complained about Fey's original outfit can be seen wearing much less in her previous catalogue of roles. The hypocrisy and C U Next Tuesday attitude sealed it for me. I was never gonna be a dedicated viewer, but I would have at least watched the 1st episode. She made sure I cancelled my Netflix subscription lol
John Cho's Spike looks like he's missing a One Day vitamin gummy away from hitting the retirement home.
Its really refreshing to hear someone actually talk about the travesty that they did to Gren. I didnt even know that was supposed to be him until the second to last episode. Gren is important for me as well. when I watched this on adult swim as dumb child who didnt know anything, the one scene that was burned forever into my mind was that shower scene with him and the reveal of his female parts and not just cus boobies. Even tho Gren is clearly a guy and not trans It really struck a cord in me, I'm a transgirl and I was dealing with gender dysphoria even back then and didnt understand it and repressed it I think I had this fascination with MTF situations and themes (go figure lol) and this was the first time I saw a character in this situation where it wasnt played for laughs or a gag. It was serious and it implanted 2 ideas, one that men can become women (involuntarily in this case) and also the idea that you can feel alienated by your own body, to 6 or 7 year old me that was a revelation. The other end of it relates more to my teenage and adult life I relate deeply to him because I was emotionally used and manipulated by a guy who I had fallen for hard. We dated mostly online for almost a year and stayed close after, he knew I had feelings and I knew he didnt anymore if he ever did, in retrospect I genuinely think he was a sociopath just because of the way he talked about people and the world sometimes. A couple years went by and he needed a roommate desperately and I needed a new start so i moved to whole new state and a big city. I told him before hand, I planned on starting Hormone therapy when I got settled and he was super supportive and made a bunch of promises of things we'd do and how fun it'll be I'm almost positive he knew I still had feelings, and I foolishly thought once Id been transitioning for a while that maybe we might rekindle or atleast spend time together, only for me to be used for my money and company until something better came along. Once he found a new gf and she moved in shortly after (which they didnt discuss with me) then I was third wheeled, lied to, ganged up on threatened and kicked out of an apartment I had helped finance, all while at my most vulnerable. He was like family to me and he went behind my back, just shoved me away like that and cut all ties that same day. Its a whole long story but trying to keep things brief. The worst part is its been years and as much as I've moved on I still think about it and about him every now and again, there was never any closure. Tbh Id prolly do some crazy things just to understand his reasons and if the bond we had was ever real. Gren has so much nuance and implications as a character he really stands out to me and makes the world feel real and lived in cowboy bebop has aged like fine wine I'll fight anyone lol sorry ive been holding in this rant for a while
im so sorry all that happened to you and glad to hear youre okay
@luminaryupriseslowed thank you for listening to my little ramble and thank you for the sympathy it means alot
Great vid.
Sorry to hear about your experience. As a military member, it makes me so frustrated and upset when our organization doesn't know what the f*ck they're doing and they end up messing people up.
Glad you do what you do now.
Gotta love how, in their attempts to be progressive, they just turned the characters into offensive charicatures.
I love seeing honest representation in media, but what we're given is disingenuous and used for selling points, which I find despicable.
It really felt like the actor who played Gren only did so to show off themselves vs portray a character which, if true, says a lot about how the person views the property and acting gigs in general.
At least Cho tried to be and look like Spike but Gren was a complete 180 to what the character was. In the end, Netbop's Gren is modern day SLAYKWEEN shit and the kween trope is already played out, especially when you consider how it's more about ego and vapid narcissism than self confidence and inner strength.
cho"tried" but he clearly did not respect the material. He only watched the OG show after getting the role.
agreed the actor just played themself, why does the actor expect brownie points for that.
@@whodatninja439 Because they won't get points for acting, that's for sure.
The typical Hollywood treatment I can't say this enough no anime fan worth their salt is asking for live action versions of their favorite series.
It depends on who's doing it
@@SenseiAgot nah. Anime has a certain style and element to it that live action just can't produce.
@@vault1549 It all depends on the anime. More grounded stories are easy enough to reproduce. In the case of Bebop, being so heavily influenced by american cinema it shoudl have been fairly easy, you just need competent people, and there's quite a few of those in the industry. If you're talking about the more crazy stuff like JoJo's, Dragon Ball, One Piece, etc, you are right. But there's tons of shojo manga, seinen manga and chambara inspired action manga (like Rurouni Kenshin) that can and have been adapted successfully.
Oh fuck off stop gatekeeping i love anime and i want good live action adaptations of my favorite anime and i do believe it's possible too do it. I want too do it because i know there are people that will never watch anime but the could see a live action version of the same story, like with comics and there is nothing wrong with that.
That's not necessarily true it simply depends on what anime you're talking about. Steamboy, or Rose of Versaille for instance would make great live action films, and as we've seen Kenshin made a fantastic live action film.
The stain glass window pieces look way more shit and fake in this than they did in the 2003 Daredevil film where Bullseye was catching them to throw. Jeezus.
Oh god I am so happy I watched Cowboy Bebop again.
The only good thing is everyone came together and laughed.
They did Faye and Julia dirty like the writers hate woman who are sexy AND deep.
i love how they flame about diversity and female empowerment and when you watch the old strong female roles, they are leagues beyond what they dish out today. just take alien. the cast got more diverse without it being forced. ripley is STILL one of the most BA female lead roles ever played (same with mila in at least two roles and sarah connor).
"Strong female character" means "average looking girl with loads of toxic masculinity and nothing more". Honestly, they feel like female version of Duke Nukem but without the self-aware douchebag humor.
@@AkiSan0 Female empowerment today is making them lesbian and very sexual. It sucks. 🤬
"If the director doesn't love something, it's wrong of them to make it when so many other people love it."
-Sam Reimi after Spider-Man 3
"Cringeularity" is a good word. Its time has come.
I didn't see Julia as a damsel in distress, if anything she's just as dangerous as Spike or Vicious. Spikes vision and description of her throughout the series was one thing but when we finally meet her she was so much more than words could describe.
Thank you for this well-thought out review. And thank you for your willingness to talk about your personal experiences. It's much appreciated.
I am a simple bro, I see a Soph video and I rush to smash that like and watch the video while commenting.
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The irony is that many had great enthusiasm when this was announced should have been a success but when the creator said he was not involved and that he was warning people its out of his control that was a red light for me
Hollywood fears anime and manga. I'm convinced they're doing this on purpose.
R.I.P. Keiko Nobumoto
Sorry for your experiences in the military and THANK YOU for for this video! This makes me appreciate the anime a LOT more!!
I think you captured it best, when you said that the Netflix show creators saw Cowboy Bebop as a cartoon. They have no clue what made the anime endearing, or why it persisted throughout a generation. All they saw was an opportunity to take advantage of a known brand and inject it with their horsecrap ideas, that neither respected nor elevated the source material.
I'm glad this travesty was cancelled. If people want to experience Cowboy Bebop, they should stick to the series and the movie.
Not bebop;
Beep/boop.
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🐍 no step on snek! 🇺🇸🇭🇰
When I heard it was cancelled, I said Christmas came early boys 😂😂😂😂😂
I'm a fellow retired Army MSV survivor. I really love your videos. I often find myself doubting myself when questioning the nuances of culture and discourse. I think your videos do a fantastic job of not only reassuring my that my politically moderate views are okay, but you do an even better job of articulating points than I think I ever could. I don't want you to do my thinking for me, but you 100% are a fantastic resource for marshalling my thoughts on emotionally charged issues.
Never quit, Queen.Slay and all that.
Was hoping to see Sophia destroy this pile and she didn't disappoint ^__^❤️
Excellent review. Glad to see your work again.
I appreciate the sacrifice of those who watched and reviewed it. Because I won't even hate-watch that crap.
Masterful review and Your story is impactful and your courage to speak out about is endearing. Gren is important character ,Netflix just turned him in to furniture. I feel sorry for Mutafah ,John Cho, they were given a horrible script and dialog. Well if Cowboy Bebop can be massacred , I hope One Piece fans are prepared for the pain.
This was definitely Shitflix's take on "I fixed your offensive art". While at the same time being completely tone deaf
That is literally the perfect description and analogy for this wretched pile
Why do these people insist on destroying things they don't even understand in the first place? What kind of soulless person does that? Glad its gone!
Bless you you making this video. Thank you so much for your words.
It got to a point that, after hearing about Gren's character and backstory, I just *KNEW* that Netboy would change him to be either trans or non-binary, because the woke are so damn predictable, and ironically disrespectable, it's not even funny.
As one person said it best "Everything woke turns to shit".
I'm so sorry you had to suffer through this travesty Sophia. The clips I've seen alone are enough for me to want to hurl up my breakfast, and I can't even imagine watching through it all without getting an aneurysm. Hope you've survived with only minor brain-damage.
Thanks for sharing that deeply personal story with us Sophia. I am sure that was hard, but I do appreciate it.
It went from space opera to disappointment that doesn't feel like its in space.
I hate how that clown who play the role of Gren will appear also on the Neil Gaiman's Sandman adaptation. I love those comics and I can already feel bad for how lame and cheap they will handle the whole thing. This is the worse of the timelines. =/
I've watched a good few videos on the Netflix adaptation of Bebop and it still baffles me how badly it turned out. I wanted to give it a chance, but in the back of my mind, I knew that was a bad idea. I just wanted to say thank you for sharing your story and for your review in general, it was well-crafted, humourous, concise and full of passion. :D
I think if the people who made this show had watched the original they would've understood how progressive it was.
Fine! I'll give the anime a shot.
Thanks for your service boss
Have to admit, I did not fully 'get' Gren but you eloquently explained it. Netflix writers could NOT accept a man considering female attributes negative so they went the direction they went. That Gren saw his feminization as a constant reminder of his trauma in the prison AND Vicious's betrayal is...wow. Yeah, that makes sense and is layered, serious characterization and writing. Something Netflix cannot fathom or execute (see also Jet's former partner and how they handled that).
Great review and I hope you get the help and healing you need. Thank you for your openness and analysis.
I'm gonna' watch bebop 'cause of this show. There's a silver-lining to this shitstorm after all.
Thats what I did! I'm really liking it. Ed is my favorite thus far, and what they did with her in the live action was just wrong.
The didnt just assassinate gren as a chracter. They violated the corpse of his character and set it on fire on the way out.
Like The Godfather - Look how they massacred by boy.😭
Missed a chance to say "With hammer and cycle in hand." Other than that I agree whole heartedly on everything said here. Learning that Faye was now a martial artist, that Gren leaned into the body alterations, and the horrifying appearing of a live action Ed was bad enough, but for me it was Green Bird. That whole scene embodies what was to come for the rest of the show. Its reflected right at the very end when you see their wounds are similar to when they fought in the Church. Vicious wanting to win through a display of strength and power, while all Spike wanted was Vicious to be dead regardless of if his own life had to be sacrificed to make it happen. All ruinned for a 'girl boss' moment completely neutering the store and the reason for the antagonism between Spike and Vicious outright.
I never have a problem with characters being changed up a bit here and there. (Hear me out.) But when you take on adapting a property and reimagining it or rethinking it or rebuilding it for a new audience, you have to follow a bit of algebre. If you're going to take subtract something from the source material for your adaptation, you have to add something into your adaptation of equal value.
For example, let's take the Netflix adaptation of "A Series of Unfortunate Events" which is exceptional. They completely changed the character of Madame Lulu from the 9th book. And it worked! Because what they added was of equal value to the whole of the project.
You also need to know what you can't touch. In the books, you felt the main characters were just a tiny drop in a very big bucket. And you never fully got all the answers of exactly what "it" was. It was basically the theme of the "unattainable truth." Always being right there, right where you can see it, but can never fully grasp it. That appealed a lot to us fans, but it was also a point of criticism.
Now, it would have been very easy to justify "Well, we want people who never read the books to like it. We're trying to appeal to a whole new audience. Blah, blah, blah." But they knew not to do that. They knew the first people who are going to watch it are the fans of the books. So, what they ended up doing was only really answering questions from the book that the fans already highly suspected anyway, just was never confirmed. So it was satisfying to the fans who could say, "Ohhh! We were right!", and less confusing to newcomers. And for special spice, the would have cut away scenes featuring one of the other characters that would later meet the kids, but you never knew which character it was.
And that's the bottom line: Know what your audience liked. I've never seen Cowboy Bebop. But I can already suspect even if they were going to have Gren as a character on the side, not to mess around with the much deeper aspects of his character.
faye is now smarter and better at fighting than Spike. let that sink in
I am so glad you covered this. Great content as always! The level of awful this show exudes is unbelievable. Too bad there are still those in denial and considers the criticism hate speak. It’s a further reminder how a good portion of films nowadays are losing their heart. Oh well, More than a great reason to rewatch the original.
I hope Netflix doesn’t do Trigun or Attack on Titan
Great review, Sophia! Keep real and keep up the good work!
A few things, Julia was never "just" a damsel in distress in the Anime. She was as capable as Faye. Her turning out to be the bad guy could have worked, just like almost every change they tried (except for Vicious being a whiny bitch), but the show runners were just too inept to pull it.
I disagree that they wanted to "fix" Cowboy Bebop, or that they wanted to make it "woke" (the original Anime is even more woke). They simply wanted to make it more accessible to more people and expand on it, and they failed.
It's weird and I don't think I have ever seen something like this, but even though I truly hated the 3 main characters, I think the actors were pretty good at working with the trash they were given. Specially Daniella Pineda, her face acting was superb, her lines were horrible and her fighting choreography was absolutely the worst (who holds a throwing knife like that?). I really hope to see her in something else.
The original anime was very progressive, but I wouldn’t call it woke. As I see it, wokeness lacks nuance and subtly, and the anime very much contained both of those things.
Great review, nice to see it taken from your perspective and personal experiences in like. Thank you for sharing your story. Stay awesome.
Excellent work as usual Soph!
Thank you for being so open and honest about your trauma and experiences. Its a true sign of your bravery
Rule #1 when making an adaptation of... well anything...:: Respect the source material. Even if you aren't going to follow it. Respect the source material.
When Kurasawa made a Japanese adaptation of Macbeth, there was no emnity or anger or desire to right the wrongs the western world inflicted on Japan. It was a labor of love for both the playwrite and for the Japanese mythologies that made up the film's distinct look.
I am also one who does not care for the idea of strictly adhering to source material. But I think it needs to be said a person should understand what it was that makes the original so special to its audience. And for those who say, "Well, it's not about the original fans. It's about attracting new fans." I'm sorry, but the original fans are the ones who are going to watch it first! People like me who never cared for Cowboy Bebop, aren't going to suddenly start caring for it! Especially when the longtime fans don't care.
We don't have to harass the creators or hyperbolically pretend they ruined our lives. I can assure you, your life will go on. But I think it's okay to send good faith criticism as to why you don't like it.
"when making an adaptation of... well anything...:: Respect the source material" - sounds like impossible task for Netflix.
@@annabel-lee9671 No. They did an amazing job with A Series of Unfortunate Events. They knew what made those books so beloved. And that's what makes this even more annoying. It's like, "Netflix, you know how to do this!" If they were just incompentent, we could just say, "Well you're just incompetent." But they're not. They're just not even doing their best work.
About the only bonus from this might be no more live action remakes of anime.
"Look how they massacred my boy!"
The "bop" part means "bind on pickup". You can not unsee it...
Just one note: They didn't adapt it to today's audience but who they want them to be.
I recently watched the anime for the first time in my life and I thought it was amazing. This is coming from someone who isn't really a fan of anime in the first place. I took one glimpse at this remake and knew it was going to be a disaster but calling show a disaster is an understatement.
You're cool as ice Soph
I'll have to rewatch the anime now
Great review Sofia.
the people that wrote this show have the same respect for it as my Minnesota wildlife teacher. when i said the title he said "it sound's like it's for babies." also thank you for your service.
Great video soph sorry you had to go through this .
Your comparison of Netflix Cowboy Bebop to live action Scooby Doo reminded me of a comparison I made during my viewing. (Watched this thing the whole way through in one shot.) I compared the show to Batman Forever, and of course Batman and Robin. I also want to applaud your courage for sharing your personal story. That couldn't have been easy to talk about. Keep up the good work.
Long time Twitter follower but first video I've watched (somehow). I really appreciate what you had to say surrounding Gren. Great review
11:35 Many drugs that are used to treat Schizophrenia are, in an order of magnitude lower doses used to treat anxiety and insomnia. It is not unusual for these to work in this dual way, however if you got a schizo treatment dose while experiencing no such symptoms, that would be a big problem.
I haven't and I will not watch the adaptation. I read an article and saw what they did to Gren, my so beloved character and I was so bitter and agitated that I couldn't sleep. That's how I found you. I took it as a persona offence to one of my all time favorites. I was so enraged with the whole concept of butchering a character! All of them in fact. I cried like a baby when Gren died, I ugly cried. And then the beauty and depth of it all taken away. :(
The fact that Hollywood takes someone’s art like “Grens story” and butchers it to make a quick buck is so freaking frustrating. These stories mean something to their audience, and yet they say there is something wrong with us if we protest such things. 😤
Gren was amazing in the original he tried to live a kinda normal life but all his hate and rage over the fact that vicious betrayed him combined with the breast he sees as a mutilation that will follow him for the rest of his life makes him throw everything away just for a chance to get revenge in the new one he was a guy in a dress
It's funny to say that this show is woke when the anime had tones of representation and is incorporated in the story my biggest problem with it is vicious in the anime if you stay in his way or cross him you can buy yourself a grave, in the show he is kylo ren 0.5
Shows like this are why I drink
This show pushed my grandfather down the stairs
"It would have just been easier to call me a slur".
This is probably the best review I've watched for this series. Very thoughtful and introspective, detailed, and all around just great. I want to thank you for sharing your story as well. To tell such a story to even one person is difficult enough, but to have the courage to put it out there for the world to see, is very inspiring. I'm a victim myself, but I don't like to talk about it much just because it's a personal story. And I've also struggled with my own identity my whole life, so Gren's story really spoke to me. To see what they did with him in the live action just... Broke my heart and made me so angry. I can almost guarantee that the execs saw this character, a man with breasts, and immediately went, "Oh! we can make him nonbinary! People on Twitter will love that!" Or something along those lines anyways lol. But yeah, sorry for the rant. Netflix trampling on Cowboy Bebop, Gren especially, really riles me up :'D Thanks for the review! Keep it up
i agree with all of the points made in this video and it baffles me why there aren't more people talking about these things.
you said so many of the things that i wish other reviewers would say.
even when people post negative reviews of the show they still seem to gloss over how literally OFFENSIVE the changes in this "adaptation" are.
Thank you for sharing your story
Thank you for your vulnerability. ❤️
Every third shot is a dutch angle for no particular reason to the point that it makes Battlefield Earth look restrained.
Jupiter Jazz is not my favorite, in fact I often skip part 2, but they murdered Grenn in a similar way to how they murdered Vicious. They made Vicious, a young and handsome man prematurely aged by his cruelty and violence into Kylo Ren!
For all that NewBop was shit, I think that actor John Cho deserves a shout-out for watching the anime, making an effort to act like the Spike he saw in the anime, and pushing for the composer to be involved in the Netflix project. The show was bad, but the Cho was good, and it needs to be said.
Another comment is that your story about the military loosely reminds me of a friend online who had a serious mental health issue while in basic training. He got no love from the army, and was actually abused by superiors, but he was fortunate to have a good sergeant who recognized that by the time he had run the problems he was having through the military justice system, his mental health problems would kill him. So the sergeant gave him instructions on how to get himself an other than honorable discharge and get out so he could access the civilian mental health system. It's not quite "I was raped and am considered 90% disabled" but my point is that you're definately not the only one who's seen that side of the Army.
Hollywood: We’re going to make Jet a Black guy.
Me: Ok, cool.
HW: He will be separated from the mother of his kid and essentially has abandoned his daughter in some vain attempt to live the bounty hunter life with some guy who is supposed to be half his age.
Me: ……..oh my
They did the actor such a disservice. He wasn’t even bad as Jet, the material just totally let him down, and the bad stereotypes further didn’t help. What a mess of a show
@@Sophnar0747 It’s glaring now. I actually rewatched the series with a different lens and the “problems” it’s trying to fix are actually problematic themselves. Especially Gren. If they wanted to cast an NB actor, okay cool, but where was his backstory, his stoic rage, his sense of self? It’s like they just went down a checklist of “let’s see, Black guy ✅, queer character ✅, strong women who can’t weaponize their sexuality ✅ “
And that’s more insulting. Especially as someone that’s black and gay. Don’t just tokenize my race/sexuality and say “look how representative we are”. They literally did all the stereotypical Black/queer/female tropes all in the name of “representation” 😠
We already got our live action Vicious and his name is Tommy Shelby
Surprisingly, Netflix died on the hill for Cuties but decided to bug out for Bebop at the first chance. Why bother in the first place I wonder.
I'm one of the 10% who hasn't ever watched Cowboy Bebop. However, I can very easily see the damage even from the outside.
My disappointment with this and Netflix’s Death Note adaption have made me very concerned for their upcoming Sandman adaption. I’ve greatly enjoyed their live action versions of other American comic books, like the Umbrella Academy and Daredevil, but as Sandman is something I enjoyed long before I saw it announced on Netflix, I am very scared of what their grubby fingers will do to it. Sandman’s volumes are mature, filled with dread, emotion, and comedy, often delving into the good and the grime of humanity. I wanna say I can trust the current show runners as their a previous works show their appreciation for comics and source material, but even if Sandman is good, it still greatly disappoints me that Netflix keeps striking out when adapting anime and manga. I believe a good live action adaption of an anime can exist, but those who create it need to try respecting the source material or atleast acknowledge the love, story and craft that went into the original. The Cowboy Bebop anime and the Sandman novels are amazing and I recommend anyone to check them out in their original form because, in all honestly, I don’t want there to be a live action show of Sandman and I didn’t want one of Cowboy Bebop either, as Gaiman himself has said, "I'd rather see no Sandman movie made than a bad Sandman movie-.”
Wow, I wasn't expecting a review of Cowboy Bebop to get this heavy... damn.
That welcome to the ouch shit just hurts to watch...
And what was with Vicious' hair-do!? It made him look anything but evil and hardly 'vicious'.
For what they gave Jet's actor, I liked him, but that's all I can do to compliment the show.
I will never be convinced that they didn't purposefully fuck it up because they actually hate the source material.
if spike would be 50, then maybe the cast was okay, but hes like 27? also his cockyness was missing from his character. most traits displayed by the actor are more commonly found in jet.
Wow... that was some heavy shit...
Speak facts Sophia. You know how to explain properly to your subscribers. And with your personal experiences, it adds authenticity to your review.
Damn that made me see this situation in a new light. At first as I agree with everybody here that Mason Alexander wanted to play Gren as an extention of himself that he feels that the characters' words he played will be gospel or worse trying to hard to be careful that the person may get CANCEL CULTURE just by acting hence the interview, also regarding the male gaze concerns with Faye kinda ironic that 2 hot chicks making out is still male gaze and the show felt it was made people who were ashamed of like drawn media like anime,comic books,manga,cartoons and video games that did not have the hollywood live action appeal, I would liken it to converting An American Tail live-action remake that converts the mice into human beings so they won't be laughed at/bullied for liking the story.
Stuff like this, along with Cuties, is why I shall NEVER support Netflix.
NEVEEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
I still can't believe what they did to Gren. Picture perfect proof that the Progressivism the writers claimed is fake.
I honestly wouldn't even mind jet being a black dude, I dunno he always gave off black wibes to me. but they couldn't just leave it at that, noo.
Thanks for sharing your views and thoughts. I now have a better insight to Gren and his character as well. Netflix destroyed this adaption with little care or consideration to anyone. In another comment section i had an argument with someone that had the nerve to say that the characters in cowboy bebop were evolved from the original, that i couldn't understand because im a blockhead and cultist. The funny thing in that whole conversation, that person never mention one thing that was good about the show, not one thing they actually like other than it was evolved(whatever that meens). Anyway keep up the great work.
I hear a lot of people say Bebop's "main story" is only a few episodes long, but I disagree somewhat. The main Spike/Vicious arc is the primary focus of a few episodes, but the show overall is an exploration of the characters throughout their adventures. We get glimpses into their pasts, and with every episode we peel away a layer to see what makes them tick, or we see how their personalities interact. That's why the "storyline" episodes hit so hard. Every character gets so thoroughly explored that once we see where fate takes them we laugh and/or we cry.
This is why before the release of NewBop all the talk about "expanding on the characters and exploring things the original show didn't" on behalf of the actors and showrunners was so irritating. The original show was ENTIRELY about exploring the characters. The characters were the point. There's a reason Spike, Jet, Faye, Ed, Ein, etc are so memorable.
I never actually watched Bebop when it was airing back in the nineties. The Netflix show finally got me to see it and damn I can’t believe I slept on it for so long. What Netflix was the intentional destruction of art just to push a message nobody liked or wanted. Now they gotta carry the weight of their own poor decisions.
This was made *after* Ghost in the Shell and Battle Angel. How hard is it just to compare the fan responses and try to go closer to the good one?
we can only hope that with this, wokeflix stops ruining good animes and will finally go back to qualityflix and make original pieces.