STOP MASHING. Do this instead.
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 17 ก.ย. 2024
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Sometimes I mention people having "sloppy inputs" and people ask what I mean. Instead of mashing out your inputs, try buffering them like this.
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"he who knows when to mash and when not to mash is the bigger brain gorilla." - laozi
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Ngl I think it was my fault. We put a sponsor ad on there so I think he was trying to cover up me yelling cuss words lmao
Started having sloppy inputs in xrd thenUni/melty taught me not to do sloppy inputs. Helped me a ton in those games and when I went back to +r and xrd I was a million times better. Good vid
Its amazing just watching videos like these how big the umbrella is for fighter game etiquette. I am really glad for people like you and your editor who can unload information, make it appealing/engaging, and have it be impactful. Thanks for the videos!
This is something I have noticed about me, the thing I'm working on is trying to not rush react... I still try to react fast, but there is a difference between reacting and PANICKING and that's something I do OUTSIDE of FGs too, even in conversation (I panic respond to questions) the best advice that's been helping me work on this bad skill is from LK himself, "don't do things JUST to hit" I need to plan more which means I need to button spam less
0:31 the sonic rush music is much appreciated 😂
This also has to do with keeping an active mind while playing and not auto piloting your combos like you're fighting a bot.
This is a solid way of putting it
I'm old and I literally can't do timed hits anymore. It's why I play May.
My man 🐬
I think that's selling yourself a bit short, lots of people play instruments even as they get older. If you lab it out and get comfortable with the timings you'll for sure be able to execute them.
@Hunter Rayna you're over thinking it. They're called excuses, and weak minded people of all ages are susceptible.
Hey thanks dude. I'm really struggling with this coming from Tekken's buffer system and netcode.
I have a lot of problems "believing" in the gatlings/hit confirms and it manifests as either just not buffering the move with proper timing and I'll leave a punishable gap or the buffered move just won't come out.
Practice my friend
Assume your move will hit and do the safe option if it doesnt
Just gotta do it. I had problems with that too but now with Nago I’ll just always do 5K immediately followed by 6K. If 5K whiffs then 6K doesn’t come out and I’m fine, if it’s blocked then 6K is still safe, if 5K and 6K hit then usually there’s enough time for me to do the rest of the combo.
I usually mash because I hate, HATE not getting my input because my previous one was still in its recovery frames. I always knew I was hurting myself in the long run though. I'll work on these issues, thanks
Compared to Xrd and +R, Strive helped me A LOT in learning to press buttons with intention (and UNI as well to a lesser extent). Delayed gatlings are too big of a deal for me to justify mashing out my blockstring the way I was used to in Xrd (same for 2K 2D out of pressure instead of 2PPPP).
If you play Ky you literally have to delay certain attacks or your slide kick will get blocked on the second hit and punished. Also, if you play Ky delayed gatlings are one of your core tools for frame traps.
Im at 00:40 You better have a good explanation to sell me because mashing has always worked for me. Esp in games with such a small window to compete strings in a combo
I dont usually have this issue in neutral but I absolutely mash out in combos. For the most part its fine, I often get the moves I'm looking for, but sometimes the input doesn't work like I want it to, like my opponent recovering and blocking sooner than I'd like, and in a lot of cases it tends to make my time learning combos very long. I did not, however, consider the option selects with buffering the first and second inputs while holding block to protect against whiffs. This whole time I've been trying to do that on reaction lol
Im confused because ive been mashing behemoth typhoon until my thumb bleeds
2:04 for cyclops shades LK
Right now im in a faze ibetween of button mashing and non-button mashing and it feels wrong. Hoping i can fix it, im also moving around with characters and seeing who i like best.
As always, thank you a lot for the insight bro :)
woooo, this happened to me a lot recently and never really asked why, thank you!
I'm totally guilty of this but honestly I play dragon ball on console and the controller input lag coupled with my own massive lack of skill makes it super hard to hit tight links like in 18's disc loops :(
The moment I trained myself to stop mashing out my combos in FighterZ when I switched to PC, I was DOMINATING for a long time until people got used to the rollback update. It straight up felt like I had unlocked Ultra Instinct for a few months until people caught up and started beating my ass again lmaoo.
I now understand some of the melty references lk makes, the game gonna clean my inputs else I'm gonna rapid beat
I've been struggling with mashing for so long. As soon as I'm in a real situation my ape brain takes control
How do you know which moves can buffer? And what’s the window to after you press a button which you can buffer?
I have this very same question - would love to know, if someone could explain this in more detail
super depends on the game but basically if it cancels into that move on hit, you can buffer it
strive specific: he showed the 2K>2D, but you could probably also do something like 5S>5H or 5S>6P
@@snitchbug Awesome, appreciate it! This just gives me general ideas to lab with, so appreciate it!
I definitely have really sloppy inputs in strive, even just straight up misinputting a lot. Definitely something to work on
this habit also completely removes your ability to jump cancel lmfao, I'm really bad with it
I see now why LK made this before Melty Blood Type Lumina came out and why he brings up Melty when making comparisons, this game is going to make me a better player overall by truly testing clean inputs no longer just remembering long sequences of links and mashable timings
Whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa. Are you telling me mashing far slash isn't optimal Sol gameplay?
As a leo player I have a question. I do try to keep my inputs clean, but on certain combos like ch 2d 2k or ch 5h 214s 2ķ, I feel like mashing your inputs is a lot more consistent than just clean inputs. Plus, there are a lot of times when I'm going for things like 5k 6k, and even if I whiff my 6k won't come out. Or another one is on wall splat, when I input my super to early and nothing happensThat's why now I usually just visibly confirm if my move came out to input another one
Honestly as far as combos, you do what you gotta do lol.
I think this concept is much more important for neutral and pressure.
@@LordKnightfgc thanks for responding
Your countent is so helpful as well as very well put together. Just got the game 2 days ago and like I’m guessing s lot of new players my hands do not follow my thoughts well yet. My inputs are sloppy and It seems in order to work on my game plan I should have my inputs right first so I can actually execute a gameplan. My question is what’s the best way to work on getting clean inputs? I can do my super in training mode 8/10 but in a real match 4/10. Should I just keep playing real matches then?
Oh so that’s what option select is. I’ve looked it up before but no one explained it simply and with an example like this.
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stop mashing? ui wants to know ur location bro
Thank your for explaining the option select and recognizing when your button whiffs. Opened my eyes to a whole new level of play. I will try to add this to my game. At the very least it is one more thing that can stop me from downplaying my opponent for being "lucky" or complaining.
ohhh I thought the buffered move didn't come because I just didn't pressed correctly, didn't know it just comes when the first moves confirms.
This is great advice but I have no idea on how to lab it. I guess I haven't really seen it before. As a Nago main I haven't beaten my impulse to mash even though his buttons are pretty slow. Thanks for the video!
My guess would be to:
1. Learn the beat to the attacks you want to do, by only pressing once per attack and hitting opponent.
2. Check that only one attack comes out when you whiff.
3. Jump back and forth
4. Set the situation he showed last: have the opponent set to randomly gold burst on hit, if your beat is right you'll get both moves if no burst, but be able to block if burst. (if you're moves are to slow you can always set it to some slower attack)
@@HasekuraIsuna ah you're right, I forgot about the gold burst recording at the end. Thank you so much!
Those super Mario sounds, lol
Do you have good trials or drills you would recommend doing to get better? I am trying to beat my life long habit of mashing.
Not LK, obviously, but I think you just have to practice it in training and really focus on it in matches until you break the habit. Much like any bad habit in FGs. Just practice your pokes but try and do like 10 in a row without mashing, if you mash once, start over at 1 and try to get to 10 again. Then go into matches and really try to focus on not mashing, don't worry about winning, just worry about not mashing.
I’m still mashing DP on wake up Idgaf
I lose so much because I press buttons at the wrong time as Millia
Sloppy inputs, the story of my life
Finally someone said the truth. Heard so much about dbfz players trying ggst don’t stop mashing and dear god ggst players are worse. They will take the risk of mashing always lol
i get constantly counter hit, even though i play calculated and not mashy. what am i then? i struggle to not get counter hit in neutral even. its really a hard concept in guilty gear for me
You need to take a look at what you're getting hit by. Check the move properties to see if there's any kind of invuln beating you out. Check out how fast the moves are relative to each other. See who's pressing first, and who's moving into who. Relative timings for buttons dictate a lot of who wins a neutral situation, and it's another RPS situation that you have to master. Think about it as hitting your opponent loses to your opponent putting a move out early to control space. Putting a move out early loses to somebody staying outside of that move's range and reacting to it. And reacting to your opponent's button presses loses to somebody walking up and hitting you. Once you learn to spot that in neutral, you can adjust not only to your opponent's buttons, but the intent behind them as well. Good luck!
@@user-ms8wx9ti7r thanks. That's really complicated for me. I never felt like this in sf4. In GG the counter are massive and a design choice. I will reread your comment and try to adapt. Why is it that I could feel the space and timings much better in sf4 than in GG? I have especially trouble with the last point you made (reacting wake up; or hitting buttons concept in general)
@@akajiblubb2401 sf4 puts a lot of these concepts immediately in front of you because the game doesn't move as fast. It's not easier because of that, it just focuses on different things.
I'll try framing the last point in a different way. In neutral, if your opponent is always rushing into you and trying their hardest to hit you, putting out a move early and letting them run into it will generally win. Your opponent can beat that by baiting you into whiffing the move, and then they punish the whiff. You can beat the bait by making sure your move hits them, instead of predicting that they'll run into you. If you do that, your opponent can beat you by putting a move out early knowing you're moving in to do it.
Hit < Predict < React < Hit
@@user-ms8wx9ti7r yes. But what does Stronger players mean when the say I love to hit buttons and it's bad? Like I hit at the wrong timing with a move that has long recovery etc. But I can not control this in GG very well even if aware. I always get countered at least a few times.
@@akajiblubb2401 Counterhits are what happen when both players try for that RPS I described in neutral. You don't want to get counterhit, but it helps to take some time to think through why you were counterhit, and not just leave it at x move "beats" y move. High level play still has a lot of counterhits in it because of this. If people are saying you "love to hit buttons" then they're probably unsure of why you're pressing certain buttons at certain times. I can't really say more without seeing your games though.
Thats good to know, i dont mash but i dont really buffer either, i try to confirm everything lol. Time to hit the lab, i buffer a bit in SF, never thought about doing it here somehow.
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@@Shinzogekai. Thank you so much!
No prob man
LK, I'm a relatively new player, and I think I am mashing the way I'm not supposed to. I also don't get what you mean by cleaning up your inputs. I can hear the difference but not what you are supposed to be doing right, could you elaborate?
Example my girl millia. When you do 2k you can use clean inputs so on hit or block a 2d will come out but in wiff it dosent come out
You press the 2d during the 2k for it to happen
@@ijusmix2585 Thanks for the explanation, much appreciated :)
As someone who was late to the GG Rev train, I thought mashing between blockstrings would be the only way for me to win online. I stopped playing to avoid resorting to such a bad idea. In hindsight I should've locked myself in the lab and practiced until I was comfortable. I missed out on the era of one of history's best fighting games, but hey, live and learn.
I thought that red X was a XenoGears referense lol
Do you do coaching or vod reviews?
I was hoping he'd say how to get good at it. If he knows any practice exercises.
I am confused about what is bad and what I'm supposed to do instead and why that's good to do instead.
Basically instead of pressing a block string like 2K > 2D by mashing 2D right after pressing 2K wait for the active part of 2K and then press 2D so that if it hits your 2D comes out and links like expected but if you wiff, 2D will fail to appear giving you time to perhaps push a different button in light of the fact that you wiffed 2K. This will avoid somebody sight confirming the fact that you wiffed 2K and thus have to wait for the entire duration of 2K's recovery before the start up of 2D which you will *also* have to wait through before 2D's active frames appear. That duration is longer than if you actually connected with the 2K and as such you are vulnerable to moves that counter hit in that time frame. In less wordy terms sometimes your blockstring is "fake" if you wiff and will get counter hit, but by "buffering the input" you can avoid this by choosing a different combo route when you see you've wiffed.
Somebody correct me if I'm off somewhere, but I think I caught the gist. Useful video about to go test my shit in the training room.
Dont spam inputs, just hit the attack button once. So if you are doing 2k 2d, don't do 2k 2d2d2d2d2d, just do 2k 2d. He goes over it in the video so I am not sure if you are joking but that is the long and short of it.
@@Ruritsu This makes a shit ton of sense
The question is, how to buffer when buffering almost doesn't exist in this game? Like, I came from tekken 7 and the difference is massive, it's like 100% to 2 % in time to buffer
This won't stop me because i cant read! Jokes on you LK
Mashing when you can is actually better than timing, since if the game slows down you won't fuck up the combo
Button-Masher: gets the combo : D
Clean-Inputter: drops the combo D:
Pro: changes the combo B)
You learn to confirm the ch since the game will eat your input if you buffered properly.
@@LordKnightfgc talking about doing it mid combo instead of having clean inputs all throughout
I double tap all my buttons because I can’t time shit. Highly recommend to all stick players
Damn, this gonna help a lot when mashing things like 2A > 2C for Satsuki now that I won't be wiffing 2C raw anytime I do dash up 5A/2A > 2C
So when sol whiffs slash into H or S and it beats me when I’m trying to take my turn, is he sloppy? Or galaxy brain?
You were too slow.
I know a lot of people in kof that do this, seemingly unconsciously and they do get pretty defensive when I point it out. It's just a really bad thing to do. Aside from swinging on minus frames, it also shows a lack of awareness when it comes to whether your attack made contact with the opponent or not.
Does May have the longest 5p in the game (Thumbnail caught me)? I feel like she does LOL
mashing is bad because of the amount of handicaps games have now to prevent making a mistake
but mashing used to be used as a way to count the length of the attacks to know when they finished in order to enter the next input
this is why melee is still competitive, no input buffer is better
Wtf
This guy clearly studied at the Justin Wong school of incoherent mumbling about fighting games.