@@SenseiSeth Fight science came up with a very similar list years ago. Tae kwon do was at the top of that list as well with Bren Foster so I don't think you are all that far off the mark. I think what is a really interesting question isn't so much how 'hard' can a person hit, but rather how much force do you need to stop an average opponent (of course relative to where you hit them). What we need when teaching is to show our students what it takes to shut the opponent down. With a device like this we can guide the student to improve their performance and allow them to set a real world expectation of what they can personally achieve. Once they can hit the 'magic number', which we know will stop most opponents then we can focus the student on how 'fast' they can strike and how 'precisely' they can strike the target, preferably moving. Maybe you could do a video on what how much force is required to knock a dude out with a head shot, bust some ribs or a femur? This would be especially interesting with different body sizes/weights to compare if you really need that much more force to stop a larger person compared to a smaller person. Then you are demonstrating end to end what all these numbers mean in practice. Remember though , BOARDS DON'T HIT BACK, hahahaha!
@@mikebennett938 I studied Tae Kwon do since I was 12 I'm now 53 and there's soooo much more to the style than just moves of kicks and punches we were trained to imagine punching or kicking thru the object and when perfected the blows are absolutely devastating.
I'm not sure if this was exactly the right approach because the body of the larger person also contains more 'stuff' (brain, guts, blood) that would not directly contribute to power/strength. I think this approach might favour the smaller people.
power is a function of force which is a function of mass and acceleration. Not entirely sure if dividing by weight is the BEST way to do this but it DOES make the acceleration component more influential
@@herrmayhem1915 This is true, and every possible measurement system has some flaws or preconceptions, but BROADLY speaking, professional fighters are higher in muscle mass and lower in fat mass, so as their total mass goes up, there's more muscle to use. That's why fighters are divided into weight classes as smaller guys simply don't have as much muscle - however, it's also why boxers are now compared pound-for-pound, so that a super flyweight can be meaningfully compared to a super heavyweight.
@@herrmayhem1915 it's physics, P=mv , momentum is equal to mass times velocity.. momentum is key in calculating for elastic and inelastic collisions, a heavier mass will have an advantage of having more momentum than a lighter object, a lighter object can compensate by increasing its velocity to achieve the same momentum of a heavier object, a thrown baseball has roughly around the same momentum as a bullet shot from a gun, that's what my physics teacher said..
I used to train capoeira with a guy that was a high-level TKD practitioner before starting capoeira. We would cross-train sometimes. His back spinning sidekick was the first time in my life that a kick, delivered in a training scenario, while holding a padded shield, lifted me off of my feet, and knocked the wind out of me. The kick knocked the wind out of me. Hitting the wall behind me was just adding insult to literal injury. There is something those TKD guys do in that freaking kick that is just plain deadly!
Back kicks as opposed to side kicks activate your glutes more which is the strongest muscle in your body overall. Plus it adds a spin so there's some extra momentum.
@Adrian T this actually happened to me once, when i first got to practice tkd i was sparring with a guy who was better than me, he kicked me this side back kick or whatever shit and he knocked me to the fucking wall, i was so embarrassed i thought im so weak
For that back spinning side kick, it’s so strong because it has that circular wind up to generate force like the roundhouse, but delivers that force through the bottom of the foot, mostly through the heel, as opposed to the top of the foot or the shin. This means more force delivered over a smaller area.
It really hurts more to be hit by something with smaller surface area, but I don't think the cube measures pressure. It measures force so surface area doesn't matter. The elbow attack would have scored higher if so. The back kick is just strong
I found that the back kick is even more powerful (and easy to aim) when it’s thrown with your toes pointed downward instead of to the side. Not that the other technique is bad (as we obviously saw), just mentioning something I learned training over the years
plusss you dont just use the swing, you add so much many more mussles, AND it is a direct motion at the end, lesss energy lost on swinging, its like contentrating everything in a straign line after the momentum of th spin
In the roundhouse kick you have around 150° rotation to generate energy with a lot of centripetal force (energy spent redirecting, not increasing) In the spinning back kick you have around 210° degrees of rotation plus a more linear trajectory. Of course it hits harder.
TKD has been a part of my life i was literally born. my dad was a part of the founding team of the Korean Marines and then ended up coaching for the US Olympic team in the 80/90s. it’s crazy to see where the sparring (physical) side of TKD has gone. with the introduction of electronic gear. it’s gone from a thrilling and exciting competition into a strategic/fencing style sport. nonetheless, still love the sport but miss the way it was in the 2000’s.
I was lucky to be in a dojo where active sparring was enabled and points were de emphasized outside of competition, the format to me looked more like what Muay Thai and Boxers do which I felt translated far more effectively. I think the main thing was I felt my defense was mediocre but my spacing and footwork were really good for 1-3 hit combos depending on the situation. But working back into it now, I want to incorporate more styles of kickboxing as well as Judo and Jiujitsu to be a more complete fighter. But I’m definitely keeping all my TKD striking
I honestly think all the hate for TKD is because theres so many bad practitioners that aren't serious about it. I started out in TKD and still use it in my mma training. Thank you Master Weaganer for always training us hard in class and making us condition our hands and feet. Everything that you taught has found its on place in my training today.
so true man, I only just started MMA and have played rugby and basketball all my life for 10+ years and I feel like I'm doing better than the other guys who haven't done a sport before. SO MANY things can crossover to other sports and it's no surprise the TKD does well in MMA.
@@jmgonzales7701 That doesn't mean it's not a stupid competition. I've done my fair share of it when I was younger. Point fighting teaches you bad habits for real fighting. I think point sparring should only be for young kids.What happens is idiots open schools teaching sport karate and tkd and teach it to kids and think they're teaching them how to fight when in reality they're not learning proper self defence.
The look on Sensei Seth's face at 6:29 with the Power Cube as a barrier between him and the knee is EXACTLY how I felt holding a body shield for the first time in a Muay Thai class. Despite all of the cushion, the knees would still get through and tickle the liver. Now imagine that with no pad/cushion at all: pure hell.
Knees are very easy to see, and stop. Use a downwards palm on mid-thigh. Dude tried to grab my head, and pull me into an upwards knee... and thats exactly what I used to easily nullify it. While you are down there... might as well strike the groin, right afterwards.
@@johndough8115 You should definitely go to your nearest Muay Thai gym and show them this secret technique. It's even better if you hold an egg in your palm to block the blow. For everyone else, I've seen mt knees tear a tractor in half. Some of these chaps have had over 500 fights - and they consider punches and kicks to be the weaker attacks. Cheerio!
Respect to all the Martial Arts. As a Muay Thai Trainer, I do believe it comes down to the weight as well as technique. The more these students come back to practice, the more they realize what they were doing right and wrong, and eventually develop not just the right technique to hit hard, but also the self confidence that they are capable of doing so. Great video.
When I watch Muay Thai videos I see the absolute monsters being really lightweight (e.g. Rodtang and Tawanchai) -- but perhaps that's just vibes generated from the commentators. When you say "weight as well as technique", what would you say is a weight range that better compliments Muay Thai?
@@brodacious1313 thats a great question. In Muay thai and many other striking sportz, weight equals to muscle mass. The heavier you are as a fit fighter it is assumed the heavier you can hit and take a hit. But also cuz you are heavier, you also fatigue faster. More so in Muay Thai. Hence why smaller fighters are the norm, as they are fun to watch and can go the distance. The max heavy weight in traditional Muay Thai is 70 kilos. 66kg is also pretty heavy. Average fighters are around the 60kg range. Fighters try to stay as light as possible so that they can be matched up with smaller fighters as well. If you hit that 66kg, most likely you will be matched with a tall heavy foreigner that can clinch you and throw you around easy. Hope this was helpful!
@@RealNaisuCinema hehe well 160lbs is an acceptable stretch. But yeah the average Muay Thai fighter is small and around 60 to 66kg. Hence why many study muay thai but choose to to kickboxing instead where they can find fights over 200lbs. Of course Amateur Padded Muay Thai fights dont have strict weight rules. And in a local muay thai non tournament event, you can get away with being heavier. At this point the question is can the promoters find anyone who would wanna fight you. Most likely not a Thai. Hope this was helpful!
@@KatimaGaming thanks for the explanations! I cut from 200 to 175 and plan to keep cutting I just had hoped to build up my muscle after I was done cutting but if I do that I’ll easily get back up to 200 pounds
The TKD guy was able to generate ALOT of oomph with his push style kick because he didn't let his body get pushed back as much. He allowed alot of the force to transfer to the target instead of pushing himself off which is what ALOT of people do. Good on him for keeping a sturdy stance on one foot to tranfer all the power. You can even see that on his sub 50k kicks his body was going further back after the kick which means his weight rebounded instead of tranfering. That guy has solid kicks when he is focused.
Grew up doing TKD. My first thought when I was thinking power was the tornado. It was definitely going to be stronger than the regular roundhouse. Arching this video made me glad though that we sparred with pads. Seeing how much the back-kick was hurting you reminded me of my days sparring against Junior Olympians and adults 10 years older than me. If I didn’t have pads I wouldn’t have made it through childhood without being crippled.
Shout out to Sensei Seth for trusting each teacher to actually HIT that small cube instead of him. Cause that would have been….. Edit: Thanks, everyone!
I'm so glad master Wright has a good back kick. For us lighter guys in Taekwondo, the back kick is absolutely devastatingly powerful. It allows our speed and momentum to carry the same force a heavier practitioners roundhouse kick does, and at around 110 lbs, it is the only kick that I have knocked a guy to the ground while they were holding the body shield (at about 260 lbs). My absolute favorite kick of all time.
I am around 120lbs and once I was holding the body shield for someone who was practicing tkd for over 17 years with almost no stops (he's around the same height but he weighs a lot more than me) we got to the back kick it landed pretty well and I felt my soul leave my body in an instant I almost fell over and stumbled back like 2,5 meters, even though he held back
We can use this one in Muay Thai too, and even being a difficult kick, when we find an opportunity to use it is always the most satifying kick to perform, and the strongest by far.
I'd be interested to see a similar experiment but with several masters of each discipline, so the results are less affected by the individual practitioner and are more indicative of the art itself. Also would be nice to measure pressure on top of force, since Muay Thai's knees and elbows rely mostly on pressure over raw power
There are very few actual "Masters" these days. Teachers are not always Masters. A master, is one whom has Master-Class level output. Output that is the maximum that your body is capable of producing... every single time... without flaws nor variance. None of these dudes were even close to being considered Masterclass... as their results were all over the map.
@@johndough8115what you described isn't a Master but a Flawless Peak Human. Being able to produce maximum results every single time is just not humanly feasible.
@@justas423 Really? Have you heard of the Olympics? Each athlete competes at the highest levels of performance. You can see woman on a thin balance beam, doing crazy flips on them, without falling off. You can see acrobatics routines, with athletes pulling off perfect consecutive flips. There is a famous "Quick Shot"... that can pull out a holstered gun, shoot two cans at a distance, nailing both, in less than 1 second worth of time... and he can do this every single time, without failure. Peak performance, isnt a non-achievable thing. In fact, anyone Can and many people DO, achieve peak performance, in many areas of activity. Both as a sport, and in other areas, such as special tasks at their Jobs. When I went to master Short Range power... I already went in with a few years worth of mastery of the Wing Chun vertical fist punch. I probably used to throw a good 1000 punches every single day... in addition to my other training. As well as wallbag work. Special Pushups. Speed drills. And more more. To achieve my goal... I hung a canvas bag on a chain, and filled it without about 15lbs worth of steel bbs. At its widest point, it was about 7 inches in diameter. If you hit it properly, it felt like hitting a solid Iron Girder. Every single night, I would start out with my fist.. 12 inches away from it.. and then strike it. Reset, strike, repeat... for an entire Hour... (no rests). Id say that it initially took me about 50 tries, before Id hit it in the correct way... to attain "Fajing" (explosive power). After maybe three weeks time... I could get Fajing on every single hit.. so I moved from 12" to 8"... and started again. This time, I probably got the correct hit, once in every 30 tries. It wasnt as bad as beginning... but it still was a far cry from what I just accomplished at 12 inches. Eventually Id fully master 8 inches, and moved on to 6 inches. And probably by the end of 3 months worth of DAILY 1hr sessions... I had graduated to a SINGLE INCH of runway, and could Nail it every single time, flawlessly. At that point, I started to use it in sparring. The MMA gloves do in fact reduce fajing potentials.. because they are designed to absorb the most Initial impact potentials. That said... I had so much power, that it didnt even matter. I was able to KO any fighter, with less than 6 inches of runway, from my mostly extended lead guard hand. I could do this every single time I chose to... and I never needed to use any more than about 15% of what I was capable of delivering. In fact, anything more than that, would have been too dangerous. I proved this on 4 different disrespectful fighters. Three of which were blackbelt level Jujitsu fighters, at their open-house sparring event. Each of those 3, were dropped from the exact same punch, same distance, off the very first Exchange. The other fighter, was a different arts artists, at a different private sparring event. He studied a Korean art of Kook Sul Wan, as well as Capoeira. Years later, I used fajing strikes, in the form of my forearm based Interception. I used a 10% level deflection... and it nearly shattered an MMA fighters wristbone. In about an hours time, it had swollen nearly double in size, and he was in great pains, for many days to follow. You see... The real reason why so many of todays artists are total Trash... is because they never invest enough time and intense efforts, into full Mastery of what they have learned. If you throw a poor, weak, punch, or a sloppy, weak kick... and it failed to Drop the attacker in Ancient China.. that dude might end up Ending you, a few seconds later. There is no room for errors, when its Real combat... when your life is ACTUALLY in mortal danger. If a few thugs from the hood manage to drop you... they just might not stop kicking your head, until your brains are leaking out of your skull. Dont believe me? Go watch some uncensored vids of it, uploaded to Bitchute. You will find a LOT of them, sadly. Again, its todays Weak and LAZY attitudes.. that have lead to these various artists failing. Its never been the arts fault. Its always been the sh*tty artists, that are the problem. You are also part of the problem... because you spread that same Sh**Y attitude.
@@justas423 Haha did you get it? You're part of the problem my friend! Now you know perfection is a thing in martial arts! Oh wait... Don't every legit masters themselves teach it is not a thing?...
I studied traditional Karate in my youth, and I now practice ITF TaeKwanDo. Both are good, and have their strengths and weaknesses. I really liked this video and how you pointed out the ways each style produced power. By bringing in these techniques, we could all become better martial artists.
@@senzayyyTaekwando was created to be the general hand to hand defense for the Korean army. After General Choi (the founder) passed away Taekwando split into 2 main factions; WT & ITF. WT is the South Korean faction and is what you see in the Olympics. Heavy emphasis on kicks and historically viewed as “sport TKD” but can kick butt still. The other factions is ITF, and it is the traditional form of TKD and emphasis both hand and foot techniques equally (similar to Karate). As to what is better, it depends on why you are studying Martial Arts and what you want to get out of it.
TKD spinning back kicks was proven to be the most powerful single technique years and years ago. The leverage and moment add so much force without having to exert a whole lot of energy. It's dangerous when it hits, especially if the opponent is approaching.
And people are like 'Duhhhhhh, I could see that coming.'. What people don't realize is that TKD is a counter fighting method. You can initiate attacks with faster TKD techniques. But any spinning technique is a counter technique. You spar someone with a mastery of TKD, and you don't really know what you are doing, you will not see the counter kick that knocks you out.
Thank you for being such a kind person in what many people consider to be a violent sport. You show that the goal of martial arts is not to hurt anyone, but to examine the body, how it can generate force, the esoteric artistic “flow” of movements, and throw in jokes to boot. Keep it up man
@@kiteenglish7949 Capoeira is most certainly a martial art, it was created when the the people of Brazil were slaves to the Portuguese, they had to develop a way to practice fighting so they could revolt against their slave owners without their slave owners knowing they were practicing fighting.
Tkd is great for kids for an entry-level into martial arts. It was the first martial art I learned. I managed to earn my black belt in 97 when I was 16. Then I got introduced to Muay Thai. That I have been training for almost 30 years now. I started training my twins when they were five and still to this day 7 years later and now my youngest is about to turn 5 and I'm going to start with him. Muay Thai is my go-to martial arts for striking. I also got my children learning BJJ and wrestling. In my opinion a mixture of those three is essential to make you well-rounded
18 years of TKD here: i’m on the lighter end of the weight classes (98lbs) but my proudest moment in any class was when i was a teenager teaching the adult class, with some of the older guys not wanting to listen to a highschooler. i had one of them put on their sparring chest guard, then hit him with a spinning side kick. the guy was somewhere around 250lbs, folded in half around my foot, then lifted and tossed back a few feet. the most glorious sight i’ve ever seen 😂
@DragonTigerBoss I'll repeat.......he doesn't seem to bother with any Kyokushin guys or Kyokushin based styles guys 🤷🏼♂️ I am one of those guys, so he wants to do something, tell him to contact us then 🤷🏼♂️
You were right on so many points! I didn’t expect you to prove anything but it was super fun and interesting to watch. I feel like the participants walked away with more knowledge about themselves and their practice. You’re charismatic and obviously intelligent enough to know that you don’t know nothin’! 💯
I like that you chose the ridge-hand! Definitely an underrated technique (shared by TKD). A few years ago, I was at a hiring event at as a hiring manager and was with a couple of ladies from our HR department. Across the facility one of the other vendors brough in one of those punching bag machines. The ladies I was with saw me glancing over and watching periodically (I had never hit one so was curious) and convinced me to go give it a shot ("we know you want to" they repeated). I used a ridge-hand, several times, and set the days high score. When I got, the ladies told me the line dispersed the moment I hit it the first time (I did not notice ... I was having too much fun)!
@@mochiisntbad6762 Fighting focused TKD is not the same as point sparring McDojo TKD. The art is fine, it's just that too many people have been exposed to the watered down version and think that's all it offers.
@@djangomarine6658not sure if watered down is the right term. Point sparring is more about accuracy and control compared to combat style where strength and force is more important. I think both need to be done to make more well-rounded styles.
TKD is definitely an "Ace of one" type of style. While that approach absolutely has shortcomings, it is still a strength they have that many don't acknowledge. It's a good supplement style if one wants to improve their kicks specifically.
Similar to boxing for hands. It's all about maximizing advantages and minimizing drawbacks. I think it ultimately boils down to how the practitioner uses their tools to overcome their opponent - be it for sport or self preservation.
Theoretically then someone who cross trained with boxing and TKD would have the best punching and kicking, and therefore be the best striker overall. Though i would assume the reality of trying to get the 2 systems to work together would complicate that massively.
@@Matt_Alaric Yes, and no. If you practice boxing I would bet that your punches would be sharper than TKD alone, but due to the difference in styles for footwork they would still be less effective punches than if you were just boxing. I'd say it will expand your arsenal overall, but yes there is give and take with all things.
@@Matt_Alaric guess they would need to either find a stance that is compatible for solid punching and kicking, or to learn to switch stances quickly and precisely.
I noticed the Tae Kwan Do guy, when doing the roundhouse, would get his leg up and his foot out way early, as compared to the optimal for generating power. I'm guessing that's an evolution from point sparring, where making contact is far more important than doing damage.
nah, it trades power for speed, thing is you dont have to be TKD practitioner to have both of techniques in your repertoire, digging in slow power kick, and fast headshot one
I the reason the push/side kicks around 4:10 had such a low score is that seth was moving back with the machine - i.e. the net force the censor felt was greatly decreased because of seth killing the impact - as compared to the other kicks where he more or less stayed in place. A more fair test would be one where the sensor is fixed and is consistent with how much its allowed to move for different types of impacts
That's quite a fine detail. However, I think what happened kind of reflects the effect the kicks would have on a real person. Push kicks are better for unbalancing the opponent; while fast, sharp kicks are usually more damaging.
I don't know how that measuring device works, but I think it doesn't measure total force applied but rather force spike, inertia so to speak. A lot of the other techniques strike, apply force in a very short time, and disconnect immediately, while a push or a push kick stays connected longer, thus the force doesn't spike as much on impact. As for why the cushion holder would budge, it's in the nature of this technique for the target to be pushed away. Wouldn't make much sense to try to resist an incoming push kick as you would naturally hurt yourself more than necessary.
That's cool, but it was expected. It's accurate that he would go backwards, that's the intention of that kick. Capoeira is a martial art that is based off of movement and is dance-like because it was developed by slaves and they wanted to hide that martial art. Many times, they would have to fight off many colonialists alone, while escaping for example, so they needed to keep a certain level of distance to maintain the momentum that makes the kicks hit so fucking hard, and the side kick and front kick shown where examples of that intention
On top of being powerful, that TKD kick is super effective and relatively safe to throw (hard to counter) too -- which makes that counter KO to Edward Folayang pretty spectacular.
Loved this one, Sensei Seth! Back in the day (late 80s) there was a product out there called the Impax shield. It did the same things that this power cube does, except it had a LCD box that would measure power and speed (with a different scale). This was before you had laptop computers that could run advanced software. The great thing about these tools is that when you train with them, you learn how to adjust your technique to increase power. I still have my old Impax bag, though it died many years ago... The way the Impax system worked (might be similar to the power cube) was that there was a plexiglass layer in the middle of the padding with an electronic strip that measured the bending force and transmitted this signal to the LCD box. Very primitive, but the forerunner of today's accelerometers. I think this new system is probably much more precise. Because these tools measure the compressive force of your strikes, you get a higher score if the bag is being held by someone heavier -- if you're able to blast someone back with your strike, the force tends to dissipate, reducing the score. Also, if your straight line strikes don't deviate, it transmits a lot more force into the bag. The boxer had a really good way of doing that.
Yes, we had 2 back in the day. One strapped around a heavy bag (any heavy bag) that measured power and speed (or timing), then later Impax marketed a square focus pad model that the gauge plugged into for use with round kicks, spinning hook kicks, crescent kicks, etc. Fun times!
I don't know how the power cube calculates its numbers but my guess is that Impulse is the biggest factor. Impulse is force over time so the same force over a smaller time will produce a larger impulse, i.e. a round house kick is in contact with the pad a shorter duration than a front kick or side kick.
Dude your videos are super fun. If you divide the value by the contact surface area (area of the glove, shin, instep), it will provide a more accurate result. The answer will be Force/(Mass*Area).
@@StrikeResearch What type of energy is in a car crash? kinetic energy 3.2Collision energy conversion Most of the kinetic energy in the collision process is converted into the internal energy of the car, because the metal plastic deformation after the collision increases the internal energy a lot. Other kinetic energy is converted into heat energy, sound energy, etc. Analysis of Energy Conversion Law in Vehicle Collision ...
@@StrikeResearch What type of energy is in a car crash? kinetic energy 3.2Collision energy conversion Most of the kinetic energy in the collision process is converted into the internal energy of the car, because the metal plastic deformation after the collision increases the internal energy a lot. Other kinetic energy is converted into heat energy, sound energy, etc. Analysis of Energy Conversion Law in Vehicle Collision ...
1) The measurement could be improved with the Kube fixed to an immovable object. The "uke" (holder) can subconsciously soften or strengthen the strikes. 2) Velocity-based strikes (TKD) need to be measured differently from mass-based strikes (MT). Even though kinetic energy for both is 1/2(mv^2), the velocity decay is longer for mass-based strikes. The PowerKube is better than any I've seen, but still can be better. I think the Human Force is a good idea in the right direction, but can be improved. 3) Contact area affects readings that are derived from measuring compression. If TKD man roundhoused with the ball of his feet vs instep using the same snap kick, the readings would be very different because the ball of foot strike will have significantly higher penetrative effect.
Practiced TKD for 5 years. One thing we learn quite soon and that might explain the high scores is this : every strike from one side must *also* be mirrored with a pushing force on the opposite side. If for example you do a simple side kick with your right stance (means you start with body facing right, only exposing your left profile to opponent), you have to switch to left stance during the strike (means ending in a reverse side, exposing your right profile), which naturally pushes your left side to the rear. Same for punches. This is why TKD fighters look like dancing while kicking, constantly switching side (or getting back to initial stance, depending on situation). This creates a devastating inertia that adds a lot of force to the receiving end. For that roundhouse right kick in the vid, what we don't see is how the whole left part of the body (leg, hip, torso, arm) all push in the opposite direction. This was the most interesting part of my experience and I've never seen this methodology in my karate and kickboxing years. Taekwondo somehow found an elegant way to marry movement, speed and power. There's also a whole universe of strategic small details during fights like choosing the best stance (left or right) depending on opponent's stance, distance, footsies, faking, forcing combo openers, etc. It's mostly mind games. Olympic fights might be boring to watch for someone who doesn't practice TKD, but when you understand how it works you can see dozens of branching scenarios from one simple foot position switch. It's like chess, it's fascinating. Anyone who love combat should definitely dive into the world of Taekwondo, tips and tricks videos, official fight commentaries etc. It's a pandora box of fun and complexity.
I really relate to the first guy a lot. I'm his weight up to 140 depending on what I'm doing. I apply my aggressive strikes with that exact mindset, but it's not often because I counter fight way more than anything. And his approach plus the whole issue about being light means you need a lot of speed to compensate the lack of weight made me realize why I love using that back kick/spinning sidekick the TKD guy (my first martial art) did so much. It's offensive and defensive when used correctly and adds so much speed and movement without sacrificing much control.
These impact tests are very interesting to me. Have you tried measuring the knife hand strikes on the sensor? Movements like the: 1. Overhand vertical strikes. 2. The horizontal palm down, and palm up and 3. The spinning knife hand strikes to see if there is a difference compared to the hammer fist strikes?
I just enjoyed seeing the different styles. I practiced tkd and jujitsu as a teenager. It wasn't too surprising to see tkd take it in power since it's mainly kicks but power isn't really all your looking for in a fight. Tkd is pretty rigid so a more fluid style trading off power to get in close or move around easier can be very advantageous.
as a tkd 3rd degree, those spinning back kicks are no joke. i’ve had the wind knocked out of me multiple times. Once you get kicked you get the wind knocked out of you a second time when your back slams the floor.
I was always taught that the elbows should be thought of more like a cutting weapon than a blunt force weapon. The techniques with elbows are designed to penetrate into what they hit with the smallest area driving all the force, whereas punches and kicks are generally designed to disperse force through the target for effectiveness. So an elbow will never be as powerful but it can do far more internal damage. Nice to see the ridgehand. Pretty underrated but so versatile. If your boxer friend also rolls his shoulder as he turns his body back into the punch, it will give it even more power because of the ranges of motion involved in bringing it all together.
I agree with you regarding the concept of elbow strikes. I think what goes wrong here is; when using a softer or less dense target, the person ends up striking more with the forearm rather than the actual elbow (the end of the ulna). Therefore, the force (impact) is spread out over more surface, getting less penetration.
Regarding elbows; the one shown was what is called a 'cutter' - fast and cuts like a razorblade around the eye ridge. Hit across the jaw its a knockout and the speed hardness of contact point and all executed in such a short distance and blink of an eye is something pure raw hitting power doesn't take into consideration. But as a Muay Thai ex pro fighter and fight trainer, there is nothing more powerful in close than a 'breaker elbow'. When you have your opponent by the back of the neck and pulling them in as you drive in the elbow. There is no give, and it lives up to its name with breaking anything it contacts. The same with the knee. The guy was terrible at throwing that knee; no thrust, too short, no drive and pulled back, not enough hip movement - and looked like he didn't point his toes to hone the area of the knee to strike more of the cap and not the larger muscle area.
@@leagreenall5972 in general I thought the Muay Thai practitioner was not a good choice to represent that martial art. His roundhouse was really weak and I've seen many considerably stronger roundhouse kicks from other practitioners
So many issues with this main one being weight differences are massive but interesting none the less. Few things about tkd, we have the knife hand as well and it was my go to hand technique for breaking in comps. Only thing is its banned in sparring cause of excessive force. Also i feel it really depends on where you learnt taekwondo and by whom. Our instructor was insane and we did a lot of breaks and high power/ flashy kicks and hands. It was really common for the upper class (red belt up) to have insane drills like 2v1 spars and getting u16s pre blacks to break boards cause he thought it was important to actually know how to defend yourself and theory can only get you so far. In case anyone is curious when it was his turn for the 2v1 he just legged it out the dojo initially and this guy was the breaking champion in the UK. Definitely could have handled it, but just said nope and ran.
Fascinating video as always, brother. I also argue that the hardest hits regardless of martial art always depend on the practitioner's skill, discipline, focus, dedication, attitude, confidence, and willingness to do the blooming work. After all, the ability to strike hard may be one thing that can define many a martial artist. However, martial arts are not always defined by the power of their strikes and grappling abilities but also by how well they can uphold the eight codes of the arts: attitude, confidence, cooperation, self-respect, respect for others, dedication, and discipline. Let us thank the amazing Hanshi Jason David Frank aka Tommy Oliver from the Power Rangers franchise for the Eight Codes of the Dragon and for also empowering many martial artists to live by the code. May Master Frank's legacy prevail in all of our hearts regardless of the martial arts we practice and may the power protect us all.
I'm so glad you showed how strong the ridgehand (haito uchi) is! One of my favorite techniques for sure. Every martial artist from this video taught me something, but I was most inspired by master Wright's spinning side kick. I want to get faster and more accurate with mine because I feel like I'm on the brink of unlocking its full power. Flexibility is super important to get that full extension for maximum speed and power. Great video, thank you!
While it may be a recognized move in martial arts, and I'm someone with zero martial arts experience, I can't help but cringe seeing the ridgehand personally. Just that slight risk you put too much power into it and end up overextending an elbow seems.. Very dangerous to the user for actual fighting.
It's a more accurate approximation to divide the human force by the mass to the power of 2/3. This accounts for allometric scaling -- muscle power is applied over a 2-dimensional cross-section of the 3-dimensional volume, hence the exponent 2/3 (square-cube law). Here are the corrected values. Boxing Cross 1028 1165 Boxing Lead Hook 770 988 Boxing Overhand 1135 1302 Boxing Shovel Hook 790 856 Muay Thai Knee 1129 1216 Muay Thai Elbow 857 949 Muay Thai Teep 954 1026 Muay Thai Roundhouse 1975 2278 Capoeira Roundhouse 2319 3595 Capoeira Side Kick 906 1231 Capoeira Front Kick 838 1145 Capoeira MdC 1635 2205 Karate Ridgehand 2144 2411 Karate Side Kick 1088 1815 Karate Hammerfist 516 547 Karate S. Wheel 1293 1603 Karate Roundhouse 2977 4220 TKD Roundhouse 1464 1662 TKD Cross 1075 1262 TKD Tornado 1525 1854 TKD Side Kick 784 960 TKD S. Side Kick 3768 4086
Great video, here is what I learned 1. Momentum from the body, linear or spinning adds a lot of power to the strikes, which makes sense because when you are standing still while striking, aka, karate punch, the rest of the body can contribute no more than opposing the recoil of the punch/kick when it meets the target. Also seen in other sports, for example in Javelin throw the thrower falls over on purpose to transfer maximum momentum to the javelin. A serve with a jump in tennis is much more powerful than a serve without a jump. 2. Heavier limb hits with more force, duh! 3. Roundhouse beats front kick or side kick because not only are you generating power with your leg and core, but also you are transferring your body's rotational momentum to your target. 4. The spinning back kick not only has the help from the body's spinning momentum, it also add the power of the glutes to the kick to generate much more power than the roundhouse. Quads and glutes combined have enough power that any person without a disability can jump on one leg. They are the biggest muscles in the body, no wonder that power combined with the spinning momentum of the body added to the kick can knock opponents off their feet. 5. It would be interesting to see the power difference of a stationary back kick to a front or a side kick.
Seeing you break it down based on what muscle regions would on their own generate a lot more power, but also adding the momentum made more sense as to why a moving back kick could generate so much more power. Even though the spin isn't as much momentum as the tornado. It's because it's using two main muscle areas that are much more powerful AND adding momentum. I think you also hit with the heel or the whole foot from what I could see, so it's also blunt force since it's more solid than say the front.
We know that it's the muscle that really hits so I think the body's muscle mass is a better choice to consider than body weight. Also if the same move is used (even though they're different martial arts) would be a good comparison. but nevertheless, THIS IS AWESOME!! Thanks, Seth!
the thing about the knee and the elbow in Muay Thai is that the elbow normally cuts and can break some bones but doesn't dig as deep while the knee damages the opponent's internal organs if landed correctly so they aren't made to hit hard but made to cripple the opponent and cause internal damage
Just purely on the strength of a single strike, I’d say tkd or coperia.. the Brazilian dance one. The legs can always hit harder then the arms and the cyntripical force of a spin can generate wayyy more then even a correctly aligned and strong body.
I’ll also point out that capoeira also has that same kick as tkd used to “win”, his Martello du sol (arc of the sun) was good choice though. Kind of think the tkd was just a more experienced martial artist overall and they should consult masters/mestres/Sifus for this who then chooses a suitable student to demonstrate what they’re teaching.
I'd love to see you do this experiment again, but with the target secured to a stable structure (wall or beam). When you get knocked back, some of the force generated is being lost, which I feel is skewing the results. All that aside, kudos to you for standing there to take the hit.
Exactly this... If you think about it, the same guy kicking the box when it's stuck to a brick wall is going to score a LOT more than if it was dangling by a rope freely. The box registers the amount of "squish" per second if you will... That's why Seths strikes were very high, his box was tied to a bag and being held by a person... Much more resistance, therefore much more squish.
Did the same as they did on a standing bag, scores were pretty consistent with what they had and when it’s mounted it’s more dangerous for their joints and ankles
To be honest I think the power of a kick or punch is not necessarily related to the martial art itself, but more like to the individual who executes it. And that also stands for fighting, it comes down to the individual who fights (read: "fighting intelligence") rather than the fighting system or martial art he trained in (of course, assuming the same set of rules, whichever that may be). Awesome video! Happy New Year!
Very cool video, i have two things to say (even though nobody probably cares XD): 1. Thank you very much, for making a fun video about comparing martial arts and for saying that this is not scientific! I'm always a little bit annoyed by the whole who is better in a serious discussion and by the im a master I know how it is and stuff..., so thak you. And 2. I think you have to take into account that the different martial arts serve different purposes. Boxing is a competitive sport with many rules, where you manly hit the head or the upper body (I think, actually I have no idear...), while Tekwando focuses on kicks that inflict pain, but not send you flying and Capoera was originally without touching the "opponent " at all...
I'm surprised by the spinning back kick, I've practiced it a bit in karate but now I'm going to dedicate more time to it. It's own dangers aside, it's penetration+power is on another level. (And the ridgehand was enlightening too)
@@jumangekyo1667 Catches you off guard the easiest, i went against someone that was so quick with it i couldnt even respond. And normally i win my fights but that was tuff, kept getting knocked off the mat. Starting to train it more.
It actually makes total sense that the back kick is the most powerful. Animals like the donkey, zebra, horse, giraffe, etc. have all evolved the ability to perform kicks like that because of just how strong and devastating a hind kick can be.
I know you are being humble on the scientific merit and you are correct. Adjusting for different variables and applying different statistical techniques could bring a study like this further toward a publication-level piece of investigation. However, your approach was quite strong and you captured a great deal of data to be considered. From a TKD Black Belt and PhD, well done!
man if you treated the capoeira guy the same way you treated yourself ( by puting the measurer against a bag instead of a person) he probably would have hited twice as hard want it or not, when you hit a person you pull back the strengt a little bit, plusss he had to lower strengt to focus in properly aim, which you dont have to do against a bag arguably that affected everyone except for you .... so that kind of killed all the results for me
with all due respect to Master Wright, I think his tornado kick could have been much, much more powerful. a little more over rotation and leading with the shoulders can generate much more rotational force.
I think it was more of him avoiding the possibility of really injuring Sensei Seth. Whenever someone holds pads for me I always take some off because I don't think the extra power will land in the right spot. But then again. I am not a master so I guess idk wtf I am talking about
TKD delivers power. It's rigid and powerful, the punches and the kicks. Combine that power with good timing and fights will end fast. TKD has problems though, main one being most schools focus too much on the competition point system, it's losing it's roots which was for fighting and causing damage. Still though, any mixed martial artist should incorporate some TKD.
If I had to guess how the machine works, it measures how far it moves and the time it takes (distance ÷ time) to get the speed. Change in speed ÷ time = acceleration. Acceleration multiplied by the mass of the machine = the force generated in order to move it.
It was fun. It's interesting how much the feedback of the cube gets people thinking, and be able to tighten up techniques, and thereby generate more power. Good training tool.
Pay attention to how the sensor is being held. I would think points go up when it's held against a sand bag as opposed to when it's held in the handles.
Axe kick isn't usually used against a strongly resisting target in my experience. It's used against the head (which moves with the impact) or sometimes the collar bone (which the body resists but the collarbone also snaps easily). I personally wouldn't do this or advocate any of my students do it due to the risk of injury to the rear of the knee.
Really interesting, good job Seth! Even though, I dont think we could jump to conclusion: boxing and muythai were pretty lightweight. and when you are lighter, you focus on speed, accuracy, movement more than striking. it would be nice to compare the most powerful movement of each sport with the same weight category compared
Not shocked at all that the TKD spinning side kick (basically a variation on the back kick) once again proves it is the most powerful blow human anatomy allows.
4:15 I gotta say, Peruca chose the absolute weakest kicks in capoeira. And he definitely could have generated way more power with the "Martelo de Chão" the idea of the movement is to drive the whole weight of the body into the attack. He was controlling it.
I just believe that anyone that has mastered something can break your bones, thanks for the video, I really appreciate all the tips each one was saying about how to hit harder
Tkd has some of the coolest looking moves even though some of them may not translate well outside of tkd rules, but that spinning back kick is just brutal from what I have seen in fights. Happens so fast and usually blindsided the opponent before they can get a good defense up for it. One of my favorite things about mma fighters, they grab stuff from a lot of different martial arts to build their own unique kit.
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TKD: scoring the highest. Seth: This ranking does not mean anything anyway.
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TKD black belt vs muay thai that have trained some years
@@SenseiSeth Fight science came up with a very similar list years ago. Tae kwon do was at the top of that list as well with Bren Foster so I don't think you are all that far off the mark. I think what is a really interesting question isn't so much how 'hard' can a person hit, but rather how much force do you need to stop an average opponent (of course relative to where you hit them). What we need when teaching is to show our students what it takes to shut the opponent down. With a device like this we can guide the student to improve their performance and allow them to set a real world expectation of what they can personally achieve. Once they can hit the 'magic number', which we know will stop most opponents then we can focus the student on how 'fast' they can strike and how 'precisely' they can strike the target, preferably moving. Maybe you could do a video on what how much force is required to knock a dude out with a head shot, bust some ribs or a femur? This would be especially interesting with different body sizes/weights to compare if you really need that much more force to stop a larger person compared to a smaller person. Then you are demonstrating end to end what all these numbers mean in practice. Remember though , BOARDS DON'T HIT BACK, hahahaha!
@@mikebennett938 I studied Tae Kwon do since I was 12 I'm now 53 and there's soooo much more to the style than just moves of kicks and punches we were trained to imagine punching or kicking thru the object and when perfected the blows are absolutely devastating.
Master Wright (TKD) was also lighter than Sensei Seth (Karate) and Juan Pablo (Capoeira).
Dividing by their bodyweight was a really smart idea. It has been overlooked before in other comparisons like this. Thank you for doing that.
it's not like the relationship between weight and power output is linear anyway, so it doesn't necessarily yield an accurate result
I'm not sure if this was exactly the right approach because the body of the larger person also contains more 'stuff' (brain, guts, blood) that would not directly contribute to power/strength. I think this approach might favour the smaller people.
power is a function of force which is a function of mass and acceleration. Not entirely sure if dividing by weight is the BEST way to do this but it DOES make the acceleration component more influential
@@herrmayhem1915 This is true, and every possible measurement system has some flaws or preconceptions, but BROADLY speaking, professional fighters are higher in muscle mass and lower in fat mass, so as their total mass goes up, there's more muscle to use. That's why fighters are divided into weight classes as smaller guys simply don't have as much muscle - however, it's also why boxers are now compared pound-for-pound, so that a super flyweight can be meaningfully compared to a super heavyweight.
@@herrmayhem1915 it's physics, P=mv , momentum is equal to mass times velocity.. momentum is key in calculating for elastic and inelastic collisions, a heavier mass will have an advantage of having more momentum than a lighter object, a lighter object can compensate by increasing its velocity to achieve the same momentum of a heavier object, a thrown baseball has roughly around the same momentum as a bullet shot from a gun, that's what my physics teacher said..
I used to train capoeira with a guy that was a high-level TKD practitioner before starting capoeira. We would cross-train sometimes. His back spinning sidekick was the first time in my life that a kick, delivered in a training scenario, while holding a padded shield, lifted me off of my feet, and knocked the wind out of me. The kick knocked the wind out of me. Hitting the wall behind me was just adding insult to literal injury. There is something those TKD guys do in that freaking kick that is just plain deadly!
Back kicks as opposed to side kicks activate your glutes more which is the strongest muscle in your body overall. Plus it adds a spin so there's some extra momentum.
Yeah reverse kicks/spinning kicks do be deadly. And you learn them pretty early on so after training them for years they just get ever more powerful
@Adrian T this actually happened to me once, when i first got to practice tkd i was sparring with a guy who was better than me, he kicked me this side back kick or whatever shit and he knocked me to the fucking wall, i was so embarrassed i thought im so weak
@@ssh7957 spinning side kick is not as glute heavy as the back kick, though. since in the side kick, you turn all the way around.
@@surferdudetje he said back spinning so I thought he meant back kick
For that back spinning side kick, it’s so strong because it has that circular wind up to generate force like the roundhouse, but delivers that force through the bottom of the foot, mostly through the heel, as opposed to the top of the foot or the shin. This means more force delivered over a smaller area.
It really hurts more to be hit by something with smaller surface area, but I don't think the cube measures pressure. It measures force so surface area doesn't matter. The elbow attack would have scored higher if so. The back kick is just strong
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I found that the back kick is even more powerful (and easy to aim) when it’s thrown with your toes pointed downward instead of to the side. Not that the other technique is bad (as we obviously saw), just mentioning something I learned training over the years
plusss you dont just use the swing, you add so much many more mussles, AND it is a direct motion at the end, lesss energy lost on swinging, its like contentrating everything in a straign line after the momentum of th spin
In the roundhouse kick you have around 150° rotation to generate energy with a lot of centripetal force (energy spent redirecting, not increasing)
In the spinning back kick you have around 210° degrees of rotation plus a more linear trajectory. Of course it hits harder.
TKD has been a part of my life i was literally born. my dad was a part of the founding team of the Korean Marines and then ended up coaching for the US Olympic team in the 80/90s. it’s crazy to see where the sparring (physical) side of TKD has gone. with the introduction of electronic gear. it’s gone from a thrilling and exciting competition into a strategic/fencing style sport. nonetheless, still love the sport but miss the way it was in the 2000’s.
So what ur saying is to see the really cool clips I have to see what I can find here on utube from the 90's and 80's?
yup
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the martial art is what you make it if you play into the foot fencing that’s all it will be but you don’t have to fight like that
I was lucky to be in a dojo where active sparring was enabled and points were de emphasized outside of competition, the format to me looked more like what Muay Thai and Boxers do which I felt translated far more effectively. I think the main thing was I felt my defense was mediocre but my spacing and footwork were really good for 1-3 hit combos depending on the situation. But working back into it now, I want to incorporate more styles of kickboxing as well as Judo and Jiujitsu to be a more complete fighter. But I’m definitely keeping all my TKD striking
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I honestly think all the hate for TKD is because theres so many bad practitioners that aren't serious about it. I started out in TKD and still use it in my mma training. Thank you Master Weaganer for always training us hard in class and making us condition our hands and feet. Everything that you taught has found its on place in my training today.
Plus people are focused on the sport than the practice.
so true man, I only just started MMA and have played rugby and basketball all my life for 10+ years and I feel like I'm doing better than the other guys who haven't done a sport before. SO MANY things can crossover to other sports and it's no surprise the TKD does well in MMA.
@@jmgonzales7701 sport tkd and karate is a disease. So. stupid.
@@bloodfang2805 its just a competition.
@@jmgonzales7701 That doesn't mean it's not a stupid competition. I've done my fair share of it when I was younger. Point fighting teaches you bad habits for real fighting. I think point sparring should only be for young kids.What happens is idiots open schools teaching sport karate and tkd and teach it to kids and think they're teaching them how to fight when in reality they're not learning proper self defence.
The look on Sensei Seth's face at 6:29 with the Power Cube as a barrier between him and the knee is EXACTLY how I felt holding a body shield for the first time in a Muay Thai class. Despite all of the cushion, the knees would still get through and tickle the liver. Now imagine that with no pad/cushion at all: pure hell.
Knees are very easy to see, and stop. Use a downwards palm on mid-thigh. Dude tried to grab my head, and pull me into an upwards knee... and thats exactly what I used to easily nullify it. While you are down there... might as well strike the groin, right afterwards.
Also, if you think your palm isnt going to be strong enough, you could use an elbow (downwards forearm strike).
@@johndough8115 you are not that guy pal, you are not that guy
@@johndough8115 You should definitely go to your nearest Muay Thai gym and show them this secret technique. It's even better if you hold an egg in your palm to block the blow.
For everyone else, I've seen mt knees tear a tractor in half. Some of these chaps have had over 500 fights - and they consider punches and kicks to be the weaker attacks. Cheerio!
@@johndough8115 so actually that’s what they do to get you WIDE open for an elbow.
Respect to all the Martial Arts. As a Muay Thai Trainer, I do believe it comes down to the weight as well as technique. The more these students come back to practice, the more they realize what they were doing right and wrong, and eventually develop not just the right technique to hit hard, but also the self confidence that they are capable of doing so. Great video.
When I watch Muay Thai videos I see the absolute monsters being really lightweight (e.g. Rodtang and Tawanchai) -- but perhaps that's just vibes generated from the commentators. When you say "weight as well as technique", what would you say is a weight range that better compliments Muay Thai?
@@brodacious1313 thats a great question. In Muay thai and many other striking sportz, weight equals to muscle mass. The heavier you are as a fit fighter it is assumed the heavier you can hit and take a hit. But also cuz you are heavier, you also fatigue faster. More so in Muay Thai. Hence why smaller fighters are the norm, as they are fun to watch and can go the distance. The max heavy weight in traditional Muay Thai is 70 kilos. 66kg is also pretty heavy. Average fighters are around the 60kg range. Fighters try to stay as light as possible so that they can be matched up with smaller fighters as well. If you hit that 66kg, most likely you will be matched with a tall heavy foreigner that can clinch you and throw you around easy. Hope this was helpful!
@@KatimaGaming154 pounds is the MAX?! Jesus man… so I have to basically be 10% body fat to be heavyweight in Muay Thai
@@RealNaisuCinema hehe well 160lbs is an acceptable stretch. But yeah the average Muay Thai fighter is small and around 60 to 66kg. Hence why many study muay thai but choose to to kickboxing instead where they can find fights over 200lbs. Of course Amateur Padded Muay Thai fights dont have strict weight rules. And in a local muay thai non tournament event, you can get away with being heavier. At this point the question is can the promoters find anyone who would wanna fight you. Most likely not a Thai. Hope this was helpful!
@@KatimaGaming thanks for the explanations! I cut from 200 to 175 and plan to keep cutting I just had hoped to build up my muscle after I was done cutting but if I do that I’ll easily get back up to 200 pounds
The TKD guy was able to generate ALOT of oomph with his push style kick because he didn't let his body get pushed back as much. He allowed alot of the force to transfer to the target instead of pushing himself off which is what ALOT of people do. Good on him for keeping a sturdy stance on one foot to tranfer all the power.
You can even see that on his sub 50k kicks his body was going further back after the kick which means his weight rebounded instead of tranfering. That guy has solid kicks when he is focused.
Grew up doing TKD. My first thought when I was thinking power was the tornado. It was definitely going to be stronger than the regular roundhouse. Arching this video made me glad though that we sparred with pads. Seeing how much the back-kick was hurting you reminded me of my days sparring against Junior Olympians and adults 10 years older than me. If I didn’t have pads I wouldn’t have made it through childhood without being crippled.
They probably even held back, and focused more on being exactly on target instead of power.
Shout out to Sensei Seth for trusting each teacher to actually HIT that small cube instead of him. Cause that would have been…..
Edit: Thanks, everyone!
Would've been... 1 point ☝
@@richardcharles1935 Shido!
@@richardcharles1935 Haha. Correct.
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The more u practice, the more precise ur movement is
So the chances of ppl with experience hitting him on the face is actually not high!
I'm so glad master Wright has a good back kick. For us lighter guys in Taekwondo, the back kick is absolutely devastatingly powerful. It allows our speed and momentum to carry the same force a heavier practitioners roundhouse kick does, and at around 110 lbs, it is the only kick that I have knocked a guy to the ground while they were holding the body shield (at about 260 lbs). My absolute favorite kick of all time.
It's truly the most broken. And let's not talk about the jumping spinning version 💀. Death.
Learn punches too. 2 good punches and a person will be knocked out
I am around 120lbs and once I was holding the body shield for someone who was practicing tkd for over 17 years with almost no stops (he's around the same height but he weighs a lot more than me) we got to the back kick it landed pretty well and I felt my soul leave my body in an instant I almost fell over and stumbled back like 2,5 meters, even though he held back
That's my favorite kick too It's really good especially if your opponent is charging you it's very good for surprise counter
We can use this one in Muay Thai too, and even being a difficult kick, when we find an opportunity to use it is always the most satifying kick to perform, and the strongest by far.
I'd be interested to see a similar experiment but with several masters of each discipline, so the results are less affected by the individual practitioner and are more indicative of the art itself. Also would be nice to measure pressure on top of force, since Muay Thai's knees and elbows rely mostly on pressure over raw power
There are very few actual "Masters" these days. Teachers are not always Masters. A master, is one whom has Master-Class level output. Output that is the maximum that your body is capable of producing... every single time... without flaws nor variance. None of these dudes were even close to being considered Masterclass... as their results were all over the map.
@@johndough8115what you described isn't a Master but a Flawless Peak Human. Being able to produce maximum results every single time is just not humanly feasible.
@@justas423 Really? Have you heard of the Olympics? Each athlete competes at the highest levels of performance. You can see woman on a thin balance beam, doing crazy flips on them, without falling off. You can see acrobatics routines, with athletes pulling off perfect consecutive flips.
There is a famous "Quick Shot"... that can pull out a holstered gun, shoot two cans at a distance, nailing both, in less than 1 second worth of time... and he can do this every single time, without failure.
Peak performance, isnt a non-achievable thing. In fact, anyone Can and many people DO, achieve peak performance, in many areas of activity. Both as a sport, and in other areas, such as special tasks at their Jobs.
When I went to master Short Range power... I already went in with a few years worth of mastery of the Wing Chun vertical fist punch. I probably used to throw a good 1000 punches every single day... in addition to my other training. As well as wallbag work. Special Pushups. Speed drills. And more more.
To achieve my goal... I hung a canvas bag on a chain, and filled it without about 15lbs worth of steel bbs. At its widest point, it was about 7 inches in diameter. If you hit it properly, it felt like hitting a solid Iron Girder.
Every single night, I would start out with my fist.. 12 inches away from it.. and then strike it. Reset, strike, repeat... for an entire Hour... (no rests). Id say that it initially took me about 50 tries, before Id hit it in the correct way... to attain "Fajing" (explosive power).
After maybe three weeks time... I could get Fajing on every single hit.. so I moved from 12" to 8"... and started again. This time, I probably got the correct hit, once in every 30 tries. It wasnt as bad as beginning... but it still was a far cry from what I just accomplished at 12 inches.
Eventually Id fully master 8 inches, and moved on to 6 inches. And probably by the end of 3 months worth of DAILY 1hr sessions... I had graduated to a SINGLE INCH of runway, and could Nail it every single time, flawlessly.
At that point, I started to use it in sparring. The MMA gloves do in fact reduce fajing potentials.. because they are designed to absorb the most Initial impact potentials. That said... I had so much power, that it didnt even matter. I was able to KO any fighter, with less than 6 inches of runway, from my mostly extended lead guard hand. I could do this every single time I chose to... and I never needed to use any more than about 15% of what I was capable of delivering. In fact, anything more than that, would have been too dangerous.
I proved this on 4 different disrespectful fighters. Three of which were blackbelt level Jujitsu fighters, at their open-house sparring event. Each of those 3, were dropped from the exact same punch, same distance, off the very first Exchange. The other fighter, was a different arts artists, at a different private sparring event. He studied a Korean art of Kook Sul Wan, as well as Capoeira.
Years later, I used fajing strikes, in the form of my forearm based Interception. I used a 10% level deflection... and it nearly shattered an MMA fighters wristbone. In about an hours time, it had swollen nearly double in size, and he was in great pains, for many days to follow.
You see... The real reason why so many of todays artists are total Trash... is because they never invest enough time and intense efforts, into full Mastery of what they have learned.
If you throw a poor, weak, punch, or a sloppy, weak kick... and it failed to Drop the attacker in Ancient China.. that dude might end up Ending you, a few seconds later.
There is no room for errors, when its Real combat... when your life is ACTUALLY in mortal danger. If a few thugs from the hood manage to drop you... they just might not stop kicking your head, until your brains are leaking out of your skull. Dont believe me? Go watch some uncensored vids of it, uploaded to Bitchute. You will find a LOT of them, sadly.
Again, its todays Weak and LAZY attitudes.. that have lead to these various artists failing. Its never been the arts fault. Its always been the sh*tty artists, that are the problem.
You are also part of the problem... because you spread that same Sh**Y attitude.
@@justas423 Haha did you get it? You're part of the problem my friend! Now you know perfection is a thing in martial arts! Oh wait... Don't every legit masters themselves teach it is not a thing?...
@John Dough Olympic athletes choke all the time lol
I studied traditional Karate in my youth, and I now practice ITF TaeKwanDo. Both are good, and have their strengths and weaknesses. I really liked this video and how you pointed out the ways each style produced power. By bringing in these techniques, we could all become better martial artists.
What are the weaknessness of itf? And do u recommend me taking muy thai? (Its either that or itf style)
@@senzayyyTaekwando was created to be the general hand to hand defense for the Korean army. After General Choi (the founder) passed away Taekwando split into 2 main factions; WT & ITF. WT is the South Korean faction and is what you see in the Olympics. Heavy emphasis on kicks and historically viewed as “sport TKD” but can kick butt still. The other factions is ITF, and it is the traditional form of TKD and emphasis both hand and foot techniques equally (similar to Karate). As to what is better, it depends on why you are studying Martial Arts and what you want to get out of it.
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TKD spinning back kicks was proven to be the most powerful single technique years and years ago. The leverage and moment add so much force without having to exert a whole lot of energy. It's dangerous when it hits, especially if the opponent is approaching.
Just make sure that you are not fighting a muay Thai fighter.
@@Donnie_ronnie in the end the two will go down and try jiu jitsu
@@XMatt5X And then when your trying a double leg takedown, you will get a knee to the face.
And people are like 'Duhhhhhh, I could see that coming.'. What people don't realize is that TKD is a counter fighting method. You can initiate attacks with faster TKD techniques. But any spinning technique is a counter technique. You spar someone with a mastery of TKD, and you don't really know what you are doing, you will not see the counter kick that knocks you out.
@@Donnie_ronniethat’s not jiu jitsu lol
Using your hips to generate power is a real thing. Thank you Seth!
Thank you for being such a kind person in what many people consider to be a violent sport. You show that the goal of martial arts is not to hurt anyone, but to examine the body, how it can generate force, the esoteric artistic “flow” of movements, and throw in jokes to boot. Keep it up man
No, they are to hurt people or they are not martial. Capoeira is not a martial art.
@@kiteenglish7949 They will hurt people but are not meant to be used to hurt people that's what they mean
@@kiteenglish7949 Capoeira is most certainly a martial art, it was created when the the people of Brazil were slaves to the Portuguese, they had to develop a way to practice fighting so they could revolt against their slave owners without their slave owners knowing they were practicing fighting.
"Whatever happens,
We have got,
The Spinning Back Kick
And they have not"
Tkd is great for kids for an entry-level into martial arts. It was the first martial art I learned. I managed to earn my black belt in 97 when I was 16. Then I got introduced to Muay Thai. That I have been training for almost 30 years now. I started training my twins when they were five and still to this day 7 years later and now my youngest is about to turn 5 and I'm going to start with him. Muay Thai is my go-to martial arts for striking. I also got my children learning BJJ and wrestling. In my opinion a mixture of those three is essential to make you well-rounded
Did you go to a mcdojo as a kid?
18 years of TKD here: i’m on the lighter end of the weight classes (98lbs) but my proudest moment in any class was when i was a teenager teaching the adult class, with some of the older guys not wanting to listen to a highschooler. i had one of them put on their sparring chest guard, then hit him with a spinning side kick. the guy was somewhere around 250lbs, folded in half around my foot, then lifted and tossed back a few feet. the most glorious sight i’ve ever seen 😂
human horse-kicks. 😆
victim weight 💀
It was very kind of Seth not to show off his world record roundhouse kick so these little guys could feel big and strong like him. 💪💯 👍
I mean, he doesn't hold the record anymore. Sweet T surpassed him in their last video with the power clube.
World record 😂😂😂
I love how their representation of "Karate" is all points based Karate, he doesn't seem to bother with the Kyokushin guys 🤔
@@BackStreetKarate try him yourself
@DragonTigerBoss I'll repeat.......he doesn't seem to bother with any Kyokushin guys or Kyokushin based styles guys 🤷🏼♂️
I am one of those guys, so he wants to do something, tell him to contact us then 🤷🏼♂️
@@BackStreetKarate I'll tell him right away, Georges St. Pierre.
You were right on so many points! I didn’t expect you to prove anything but it was super fun and interesting to watch. I feel like the participants walked away with more knowledge about themselves and their practice. You’re charismatic and obviously intelligent enough to know that you don’t know nothin’! 💯
Seeing David floor Seth with the spinning kick reminds me of when Kwon KO'd that MT fighter with a spinning back kick. That shot is no joke.
I like that you chose the ridge-hand! Definitely an underrated technique (shared by TKD). A few years ago, I was at a hiring event at as a hiring manager and was with a couple of ladies from our HR department. Across the facility one of the other vendors brough in one of those punching bag machines. The ladies I was with saw me glancing over and watching periodically (I had never hit one so was curious) and convinced me to go give it a shot ("we know you want to" they repeated). I used a ridge-hand, several times, and set the days high score. When I got, the ladies told me the line dispersed the moment I hit it the first time (I did not notice ... I was having too much fun)!
TKD ridge hand was one of my favorite breaking techniques.
You know what! I like this. Love the message at the end. You clearly have a Martial Arts background 😂
Thank God for the Spinning Back Kick
Beautiful Kick
Watching the TKD straight punch match up with a boxing cross and run circles around the Muay Thai elbow is just out of this world. Great video.
just goes to show its the practitioner, not the art
@@mochiisntbad6762 Fighting focused TKD is not the same as point sparring McDojo TKD. The art is fine, it's just that too many people have been exposed to the watered down version and think that's all it offers.
@@djangomarine6658not sure if watered down is the right term. Point sparring is more about accuracy and control compared to combat style where strength and force is more important. I think both need to be done to make more well-rounded styles.
Love these types of videos. Always interesting to see a ranking of different martial arts.
2nded. Just seeing the straight numbers register for each technique was great alone.
It didn't test martial arts it tested individuals
TKD is definitely an "Ace of one" type of style. While that approach absolutely has shortcomings, it is still a strength they have that many don't acknowledge. It's a good supplement style if one wants to improve their kicks specifically.
Similar to boxing for hands.
It's all about maximizing advantages and minimizing drawbacks. I think it ultimately boils down to how the practitioner uses their tools to overcome their opponent - be it for sport or self preservation.
Theoretically then someone who cross trained with boxing and TKD would have the best punching and kicking, and therefore be the best striker overall.
Though i would assume the reality of trying to get the 2 systems to work together would complicate that massively.
@@Matt_Alaric Yes, and no. If you practice boxing I would bet that your punches would be sharper than TKD alone, but due to the difference in styles for footwork they would still be less effective punches than if you were just boxing. I'd say it will expand your arsenal overall, but yes there is give and take with all things.
@@Matt_Alaric guess they would need to either find a stance that is compatible for solid punching and kicking, or to learn to switch stances quickly and precisely.
@@saparapatepete if you want to mix them, switch to Muay Thai or kickboxing. And add your arsenal special things like boxing and spinning kicks.
This reminded me of a fight science episode that I saw as a kid growing up. Amazing. Thank you. I thoroughly enjoyed watching this.
I noticed the Tae Kwan Do guy, when doing the roundhouse, would get his leg up and his foot out way early, as compared to the optimal for generating power. I'm guessing that's an evolution from point sparring, where making contact is far more important than doing damage.
nah, it trades power for speed, thing is you dont have to be TKD practitioner to have both of techniques in your repertoire, digging in slow power kick, and fast headshot one
@@duje44 yeah
Fast low kicks are used effectively in MMA theses times. It seems to work well.
Sport TKD and authentic TKD are two different things. The former is a sport and the latter is a well-rounded martial art.
@@adandyguyinspace5783 Well rounded but imperfect... Lot of important mistakes in ways of punching, blocking etc.
I absolutely love how you throw the ridge hand, you throw it like a close line, i have used this for years to crash the ridge hand into their guard
I the reason the push/side kicks around 4:10 had such a low score is that seth was moving back with the machine - i.e. the net force the censor felt was greatly decreased because of seth killing the impact - as compared to the other kicks where he more or less stayed in place. A more fair test would be one where the sensor is fixed and is consistent with how much its allowed to move for different types of impacts
That's quite a fine detail.
However, I think what happened kind of reflects the effect the kicks would have on a real person. Push kicks are better for unbalancing the opponent; while fast, sharp kicks are usually more damaging.
I don't know how that measuring device works, but I think it doesn't measure total force applied but rather force spike, inertia so to speak. A lot of the other techniques strike, apply force in a very short time, and disconnect immediately, while a push or a push kick stays connected longer, thus the force doesn't spike as much on impact.
As for why the cushion holder would budge, it's in the nature of this technique for the target to be pushed away. Wouldn't make much sense to try to resist an incoming push kick as you would naturally hurt yourself more than necessary.
That's cool, but it was expected. It's accurate that he would go backwards, that's the intention of that kick. Capoeira is a martial art that is based off of movement and is dance-like because it was developed by slaves and they wanted to hide that martial art. Many times, they would have to fight off many colonialists alone, while escaping for example, so they needed to keep a certain level of distance to maintain the momentum that makes the kicks hit so fucking hard, and the side kick and front kick shown where examples of that intention
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On top of being powerful, that TKD kick is super effective and relatively safe to throw (hard to counter) too -- which makes that counter KO to Edward Folayang pretty spectacular.
I love Sensei Seth stuff.... exposing the world to martial arts regularly is the most positive thing about all of this...
Loved this one, Sensei Seth! Back in the day (late 80s) there was a product out there called the Impax shield. It did the same things that this power cube does, except it had a LCD box that would measure power and speed (with a different scale). This was before you had laptop computers that could run advanced software. The great thing about these tools is that when you train with them, you learn how to adjust your technique to increase power. I still have my old Impax bag, though it died many years ago...
The way the Impax system worked (might be similar to the power cube) was that there was a plexiglass layer in the middle of the padding with an electronic strip that measured the bending force and transmitted this signal to the LCD box. Very primitive, but the forerunner of today's accelerometers. I think this new system is probably much more precise.
Because these tools measure the compressive force of your strikes, you get a higher score if the bag is being held by someone heavier -- if you're able to blast someone back with your strike, the force tends to dissipate, reducing the score. Also, if your straight line strikes don't deviate, it transmits a lot more force into the bag. The boxer had a really good way of doing that.
Yes, we had 2 back in the day. One strapped around a heavy bag (any heavy bag) that measured power and speed (or timing), then later Impax marketed a square focus pad model that the gauge plugged into for use with round kicks, spinning hook kicks, crescent kicks, etc. Fun times!
I'm so proud of Seth starting 2023 off right by showing how great TKD is :) I'm glad he's learning LOL
I don't know how the power cube calculates its numbers but my guess is that Impulse is the biggest factor. Impulse is force over time so the same force over a smaller time will produce a larger impulse, i.e. a round house kick is in contact with the pad a shorter duration than a front kick or side kick.
Great video. good to see and hear all the different techniques.
I love that Sensei Seth put Capoeira songs while showning Juan Pablo doing his kicks.
That feels just right.
I thought the capoeira guy had put the music on lol
Thanks for another video.
Pretty cool how the spinning back kick is also using the bottom of your foot, probably the most durable part of a human.
Cool concept! Keep em coming, and happy New Year!
Dude your videos are super fun. If you divide the value by the contact surface area (area of the glove, shin, instep), it will provide a more accurate result. The answer will be Force/(Mass*Area).
Kinetic energy is more indicative of impact energy. Force is the energy to move an object.
@@sportmuaythaiv1045 Yep, makes sense.
@@sportmuaythaiv1045 KE is a techniques penetrative characteristic . Whilst power is speed relayed its KE that does the damage!
@@StrikeResearch What type of energy is in a car crash?
kinetic energy
3.2Collision energy conversion Most of the kinetic energy in the collision process is converted into the internal energy of the car, because the metal plastic deformation after the collision increases the internal energy a lot. Other kinetic energy is converted into heat energy, sound energy, etc.
Analysis of Energy Conversion Law in Vehicle Collision ...
@@StrikeResearch What type of energy is in a car crash?
kinetic energy
3.2Collision energy conversion Most of the kinetic energy in the collision process is converted into the internal energy of the car, because the metal plastic deformation after the collision increases the internal energy a lot. Other kinetic energy is converted into heat energy, sound energy, etc.
Analysis of Energy Conversion Law in Vehicle Collision ...
1) The measurement could be improved with the Kube fixed to an immovable object. The "uke" (holder) can subconsciously soften or strengthen the strikes.
2) Velocity-based strikes (TKD) need to be measured differently from mass-based strikes (MT). Even though kinetic energy for both is 1/2(mv^2), the velocity decay is longer for mass-based strikes. The PowerKube is better than any I've seen, but still can be better. I think the Human Force is a good idea in the right direction, but can be improved.
3) Contact area affects readings that are derived from measuring compression. If TKD man roundhoused with the ball of his feet vs instep using the same snap kick, the readings would be very different because the ball of foot strike will have significantly higher penetrative effect.
Practiced TKD for 5 years. One thing we learn quite soon and that might explain the high scores is this : every strike from one side must *also* be mirrored with a pushing force on the opposite side.
If for example you do a simple side kick with your right stance (means you start with body facing right, only exposing your left profile to opponent), you have to switch to left stance during the strike (means ending in a reverse side, exposing your right profile), which naturally pushes your left side to the rear. Same for punches. This is why TKD fighters look like dancing while kicking, constantly switching side (or getting back to initial stance, depending on situation).
This creates a devastating inertia that adds a lot of force to the receiving end. For that roundhouse right kick in the vid, what we don't see is how the whole left part of the body (leg, hip, torso, arm) all push in the opposite direction. This was the most interesting part of my experience and I've never seen this methodology in my karate and kickboxing years.
Taekwondo somehow found an elegant way to marry movement, speed and power.
There's also a whole universe of strategic small details during fights like choosing the best stance (left or right) depending on opponent's stance, distance, footsies, faking, forcing combo openers, etc. It's mostly mind games.
Olympic fights might be boring to watch for someone who doesn't practice TKD, but when you understand how it works you can see dozens of branching scenarios from one simple foot position switch. It's like chess, it's fascinating.
Anyone who love combat should definitely dive into the world of Taekwondo, tips and tricks videos, official fight commentaries etc. It's a pandora box of fun and complexity.
Shout out to all the sensei seth for gathering all of them and holding the power cube 😅 anyways 🔥 episode as always!
I really relate to the first guy a lot. I'm his weight up to 140 depending on what I'm doing. I apply my aggressive strikes with that exact mindset, but it's not often because I counter fight way more than anything. And his approach plus the whole issue about being light means you need a lot of speed to compensate the lack of weight made me realize why I love using that back kick/spinning sidekick the TKD guy (my first martial art) did so much. It's offensive and defensive when used correctly and adds so much speed and movement without sacrificing much control.
These impact tests are very interesting to me.
Have you tried measuring the knife hand strikes on the sensor?
Movements like the:
1. Overhand vertical strikes.
2. The horizontal palm down, and palm up and
3. The spinning knife hand strikes to see if there is a difference compared to the hammer fist strikes?
One of the earlier tests had Wonderboy and his brother throw knife hands into it, I forget the results tho
I just enjoyed seeing the different styles. I practiced tkd and jujitsu as a teenager. It wasn't too surprising to see tkd take it in power since it's mainly kicks but power isn't really all your looking for in a fight. Tkd is pretty rigid so a more fluid style trading off power to get in close or move around easier can be very advantageous.
as a tkd 3rd degree, those spinning back kicks are no joke. i’ve had the wind knocked out of me multiple times. Once you get kicked you get the wind knocked out of you a second time when your back slams the floor.
This was a really cool video! I appreciate your outlook on the factors that went into this too, it speaks volumes about your character.
I was always taught that the elbows should be thought of more like a cutting weapon than a blunt force weapon. The techniques with elbows are designed to penetrate into what they hit with the smallest area driving all the force, whereas punches and kicks are generally designed to disperse force through the target for effectiveness. So an elbow will never be as powerful but it can do far more internal damage.
Nice to see the ridgehand. Pretty underrated but so versatile.
If your boxer friend also rolls his shoulder as he turns his body back into the punch, it will give it even more power because of the ranges of motion involved in bringing it all together.
I agree with you regarding the concept of elbow strikes. I think what goes wrong here is; when using a softer or less dense target, the person ends up striking more with the forearm rather than the actual elbow (the end of the ulna). Therefore, the force (impact) is spread out over more surface, getting less penetration.
Regarding elbows; the one shown was what is called a 'cutter' - fast and cuts like a razorblade around the eye ridge. Hit across the jaw its a knockout and the speed hardness of contact point and all executed in such a short distance and blink of an eye is something pure raw hitting power doesn't take into consideration.
But as a Muay Thai ex pro fighter and fight trainer, there is nothing more powerful in close than a 'breaker elbow'. When you have your opponent by the back of the neck and pulling them in as you drive in the elbow. There is no give, and it lives up to its name with breaking anything it contacts.
The same with the knee. The guy was terrible at throwing that knee; no thrust, too short, no drive and pulled back, not enough hip movement - and looked like he didn't point his toes to hone the area of the knee to strike more of the cap and not the larger muscle area.
@@leagreenall5972 in general I thought the Muay Thai practitioner was not a good choice to represent that martial art. His roundhouse was really weak and I've seen many considerably stronger roundhouse kicks from other practitioners
@@truejohnsolo Totally agree.
So many issues with this main one being weight differences are massive but interesting none the less. Few things about tkd, we have the knife hand as well and it was my go to hand technique for breaking in comps. Only thing is its banned in sparring cause of excessive force. Also i feel it really depends on where you learnt taekwondo and by whom. Our instructor was insane and we did a lot of breaks and high power/ flashy kicks and hands. It was really common for the upper class (red belt up) to have insane drills like 2v1 spars and getting u16s pre blacks to break boards cause he thought it was important to actually know how to defend yourself and theory can only get you so far. In case anyone is curious when it was his turn for the 2v1 he just legged it out the dojo initially and this guy was the breaking champion in the UK. Definitely could have handled it, but just said nope and ran.
I remember also having similar 2v1 drills and 3-4v1 drills for the 3rd degree or best 2nd degree black belts
i’m pretty sure i’ve seen stuff like this before but i always love watching this. no one is ever a “winner” cuz well it depends
I'm glad all fighters came around to do the best in their own sports!
Fascinating video as always, brother. I also argue that the hardest hits regardless of martial art always depend on the practitioner's skill, discipline, focus, dedication, attitude, confidence, and willingness to do the blooming work. After all, the ability to strike hard may be one thing that can define many a martial artist. However, martial arts are not always defined by the power of their strikes and grappling abilities but also by how well they can uphold the eight codes of the arts: attitude, confidence, cooperation, self-respect, respect for others, dedication, and discipline. Let us thank the amazing Hanshi Jason David Frank aka Tommy Oliver from the Power Rangers franchise for the Eight Codes of the Dragon and for also empowering many martial artists to live by the code. May Master Frank's legacy prevail in all of our hearts regardless of the martial arts we practice and may the power protect us all.
I'm so glad you showed how strong the ridgehand (haito uchi) is! One of my favorite techniques for sure.
Every martial artist from this video taught me something, but I was most inspired by master Wright's spinning side kick. I want to get faster and more accurate with mine because I feel like I'm on the brink of unlocking its full power. Flexibility is super important to get that full extension for maximum speed and power.
Great video, thank you!
While it may be a recognized move in martial arts, and I'm someone with zero martial arts experience, I can't help but cringe seeing the ridgehand personally. Just that slight risk you put too much power into it and end up overextending an elbow seems.. Very dangerous to the user for actual fighting.
You don't have subscribers, why?
I love Capoeira. It looks so cool and effective.
It's a more accurate approximation to divide the human force by the mass to the power of 2/3. This accounts for allometric scaling -- muscle power is applied over a 2-dimensional cross-section of the 3-dimensional volume, hence the exponent 2/3 (square-cube law). Here are the corrected values.
Boxing Cross 1028 1165
Boxing Lead Hook 770 988
Boxing Overhand 1135 1302
Boxing Shovel Hook 790 856
Muay Thai Knee 1129 1216
Muay Thai Elbow 857 949
Muay Thai Teep 954 1026
Muay Thai Roundhouse 1975 2278
Capoeira Roundhouse 2319 3595
Capoeira Side Kick 906 1231
Capoeira Front Kick 838 1145
Capoeira MdC 1635 2205
Karate Ridgehand 2144 2411
Karate Side Kick 1088 1815
Karate Hammerfist 516 547
Karate S. Wheel 1293 1603
Karate Roundhouse 2977 4220
TKD Roundhouse 1464 1662
TKD Cross 1075 1262
TKD Tornado 1525 1854
TKD Side Kick 784 960
TKD S. Side Kick 3768 4086
Great video, here is what I learned
1. Momentum from the body, linear or spinning adds a lot of power to the strikes, which makes sense because when you are standing still while striking, aka, karate punch, the rest of the body can contribute no more than opposing the recoil of the punch/kick when it meets the target. Also seen in other sports, for example in Javelin throw the thrower falls over on purpose to transfer maximum momentum to the javelin. A serve with a jump in tennis is much more powerful than a serve without a jump.
2. Heavier limb hits with more force, duh!
3. Roundhouse beats front kick or side kick because not only are you generating power with your leg and core, but also you are transferring your body's rotational momentum to your target.
4. The spinning back kick not only has the help from the body's spinning momentum, it also add the power of the glutes to the kick to generate much more power than the roundhouse. Quads and glutes combined have enough power that any person without a disability can jump on one leg. They are the biggest muscles in the body, no wonder that power combined with the spinning momentum of the body added to the kick can knock opponents off their feet.
5. It would be interesting to see the power difference of a stationary back kick to a front or a side kick.
Seeing you break it down based on what muscle regions would on their own generate a lot more power, but also adding the momentum made more sense as to why a moving back kick could generate so much more power. Even though the spin isn't as much momentum as the tornado. It's because it's using two main muscle areas that are much more powerful AND adding momentum.
I think you also hit with the heel or the whole foot from what I could see, so it's also blunt force since it's more solid than say the front.
We know that it's the muscle that really hits so I think the body's muscle mass is a better choice to consider than body weight. Also if the same move is used (even though they're different martial arts) would be a good comparison. but nevertheless, THIS IS AWESOME!! Thanks, Seth!
the thing about the knee and the elbow in Muay Thai is that the elbow normally cuts and can break some bones but doesn't dig as deep while the knee damages the opponent's internal organs if landed correctly so they aren't made to hit hard but made to cripple the opponent and cause internal damage
Just purely on the strength of a single strike, I’d say tkd or coperia.. the Brazilian dance one. The legs can always hit harder then the arms and the cyntripical force of a spin can generate wayyy more then even a correctly aligned and strong body.
Yep
I’ll also point out that capoeira also has that same kick as tkd used to “win”, his Martello du sol (arc of the sun) was good choice though. Kind of think the tkd was just a more experienced martial artist overall and they should consult masters/mestres/Sifus for this who then chooses a suitable student to demonstrate what they’re teaching.
@@williamburke9947 martelo de chão translates to "ground(ed) hammer", which is very appropriate for the technique, really
@@williamburke9947 Martelo de Chão
yeah TKD is fun, and good on Master Wright, those kicks are absolutely monsters
Good video. Confirmed something I've always believed: don't be afraid to vary your training for the best results. Mix and match for best results.
I'd love to see you do this experiment again, but with the target secured to a stable structure (wall or beam). When you get knocked back, some of the force generated is being lost, which I feel is skewing the results. All that aside, kudos to you for standing there to take the hit.
Exactly this... If you think about it, the same guy kicking the box when it's stuck to a brick wall is going to score a LOT more than if it was dangling by a rope freely. The box registers the amount of "squish" per second if you will...
That's why Seths strikes were very high, his box was tied to a bag and being held by a person... Much more resistance, therefore much more squish.
Did the same as they did on a standing bag, scores were pretty consistent with what they had and when it’s mounted it’s more dangerous for their joints and ankles
To be honest I think the power of a kick or punch is not necessarily related to the martial art itself, but more like to the individual who executes it. And that also stands for fighting, it comes down to the individual who fights (read: "fighting intelligence") rather than the fighting system or martial art he trained in (of course, assuming the same set of rules, whichever that may be).
Awesome video! Happy New Year!
Hey, Seth have you ever considered trying out kendo? Love seeing you try different things :)
Really fun video Seth, thanks!
Very cool video, i have two things to say (even though nobody probably cares XD):
1. Thank you very much, for making a fun video about comparing martial arts and for saying that this is not scientific! I'm always a little bit annoyed by the whole who is better in a serious discussion and by the im a master I know how it is and stuff..., so thak you.
And 2. I think you have to take into account that the different martial arts serve different purposes. Boxing is a competitive sport with many rules, where you manly hit the head or the upper body (I think, actually I have no idear...), while Tekwando focuses on kicks that inflict pain, but not send you flying and Capoera was originally without touching the "opponent " at all...
I'm surprised by the spinning back kick, I've practiced it a bit in karate but now I'm going to dedicate more time to it. It's own dangers aside, it's penetration+power is on another level. (And the ridgehand was enlightening too)
As tkd, that the deadliest kick
@@jumangekyo1667 Catches you off guard the easiest, i went against someone that was so quick with it i couldnt even respond. And normally i win my fights but that was tuff, kept getting knocked off the mat. Starting to train it more.
It actually makes total sense that the back kick is the most powerful. Animals like the donkey, zebra, horse, giraffe, etc. have all evolved the ability to perform kicks like that because of just how strong and devastating a hind kick can be.
Nah they kick back because that’s where the predators are not bc of force
just got done watching the one where you tested the hardest techniques. this'll be interesting!
edit: is the dog a coach?
Literally subscribed only because you said the least we can do since you pretty much almost get kicked in the face, a lot. Thanks for your sacrifice.
I know you are being humble on the scientific merit and you are correct. Adjusting for different variables and applying different statistical techniques could bring a study like this further toward a publication-level piece of investigation. However, your approach was quite strong and you captured a great deal of data to be considered. From a TKD Black Belt and PhD, well done!
man if you treated the capoeira guy the same way you treated yourself ( by puting the measurer against a bag instead of a person) he probably would have hited twice as hard
want it or not, when you hit a person you pull back the strengt a little bit, plusss he had to lower strengt to focus in properly aim, which you dont have to do against a bag
arguably that affected everyone except for you ....
so that kind of killed all the results for me
with all due respect to Master Wright, I think his tornado kick could have been much, much more powerful. a little more over rotation and leading with the shoulders can generate much more rotational force.
I think it was more of him avoiding the possibility of really injuring Sensei Seth. Whenever someone holds pads for me I always take some off because I don't think the extra power will land in the right spot. But then again. I am not a master so I guess idk wtf I am talking about
@@loetomagang1438 yeah he was taking it easy, for sure
Is this a low key apology for all the TKD shade? 🤔 hahaha
I’ve watched similar studies and that back kick dominates
TKD delivers power. It's rigid and powerful, the punches and the kicks. Combine that power with good timing and fights will end fast. TKD has problems though, main one being most schools focus too much on the competition point system, it's losing it's roots which was for fighting and causing damage. Still though, any mixed martial artist should incorporate some TKD.
If I had to guess how the machine works, it measures how far it moves and the time it takes (distance ÷ time) to get the speed. Change in speed ÷ time = acceleration. Acceleration multiplied by the mass of the machine = the force generated in order to move it.
This turned out to be the complete opposite of what I thought it would be
It was fun. It's interesting how much the feedback of the cube gets people thinking, and be able to tighten up techniques, and thereby generate more power. Good training tool.
Capoeira!!! AXÉ!! 🔥🔥🔥
Judo hits the hardest...being hit by the Planet beats anything!
Pay attention to how the sensor is being held. I would think points go up when it's held against a sand bag as opposed to when it's held in the handles.
Dude this was your best video I’ve seen yet. Not being biased at all… being a tkd master myself lol
I feel like a spinning back kick would be Karate's most powerful kick.
As a TKD black belt myself, this was a real ego boost. I now have "proof" that I am a better fighter than someone who does muay thai (joke)
I fully-expected Muay Thai to win and TKD to be last. 🤷♂
I'm sad to see that the TKD coach guy (I forgot his name sorry) didnt pick the axe kick. I think it is a very powerful kick
not compared to the back kick
You are going to hurt yourself doing on that target.
@Duong Ngo is correct I think, I mean, how are you going to hold the power cube?
@@kaizen5023 Set it facing upward on some empty boxes?
Axe kick isn't usually used against a strongly resisting target in my experience. It's used against the head (which moves with the impact) or sometimes the collar bone (which the body resists but the collarbone also snaps easily). I personally wouldn't do this or advocate any of my students do it due to the risk of injury to the rear of the knee.
Thanks! Very entertaining! I'm a bit sad though that the Capoeira guy didn't do a MeaLua de Comparso, would have been interesting.
Really interesting, good job Seth! Even though, I dont think we could jump to conclusion: boxing and muythai were pretty lightweight.
and when you are lighter, you focus on speed, accuracy, movement more than striking.
it would be nice to compare the most powerful movement of each sport with the same weight category compared
Not shocked at all that the TKD spinning side kick (basically a variation on the back kick) once again proves it is the most powerful blow human anatomy allows.
4:15 I gotta say, Peruca chose the absolute weakest kicks in capoeira. And he definitely could have generated way more power with the "Martelo de Chão" the idea of the movement is to drive the whole weight of the body into the attack. He was controlling it.
2:15 what the dog doin
Each martial art was shown the proper amount of respect.
I just believe that anyone that has mastered something can break your bones, thanks for the video, I really appreciate all the tips each one was saying about how to hit harder
Lol why was the dog in the ring? 2:00
That stupid Capoeira music deals more damage to my body than any Capoeira hit.
Brooo. i felt that when you went down.
In my mind "dont break the Seth" :D
subscription well earned!
Tkd has some of the coolest looking moves even though some of them may not translate well outside of tkd rules, but that spinning back kick is just brutal from what I have seen in fights. Happens so fast and usually blindsided the opponent before they can get a good defense up for it.
One of my favorite things about mma fighters, they grab stuff from a lot of different martial arts to build their own unique kit.
Thanks seth... for saying the truth...that everyone of them is diferent and we learn diferent strategies, and we can learn new forms 👍