The main thing with TR50/HDR50 is that you can use HPA instead of CO2. That takes it to another power level entirely. There is youtube videos of people modding TR50/HDR50 to 90 Joules, which is equivalent to 22 short firearm.
HPA for HDR/HDP 50 guns is a gimmick to play in the garage with. It makes them bulky and harder to manage. They are meant to be convenient and easy to use when needed. If you feel that you need to go to that power level, just get a PCP pellet gun. I have a MUB 50 for the night stand and an AEA HP SS .30 for follow-up.
Nice comparison. I like the sheetrock method you used. I don't have a Byrna but that firing system is definitely better than the tap to charge or my outdated twist to charge TCP.
The advantage with the Umarex comes in the use of the pepperballs. I have a Byrna, and while I like it, the spring pressure in the magazine has cracked a couple of the pepperballs. While the Umarex rounds are smaller, they also are not under pressure, which means the pepperballs don’t break inadvertantly.
I completely disagree. That’s pure marketing, don’t fall for it. As a non-lethal weapon enthusiast for years now pepper balls are a gimmick. They can easily break in your gun incapacitating you. The chances of them breaking on somebody’s clothes they’re wearing is slim. There is a reason police fire pepper balls at the ground. No, the advantage of these is the impact of the ball, the sound it makes, and that it looks like a real firearm. So what you get is the perfect device to create a distraction to buy you some time to either grab your actual pepper spray, jump on the person, or run. Using pepper balls in these is taking a huge risk and not recommended after doing extensive research on it.
HDR/TR 50 has options for power upgrades and ammunition that Byrna doesn't have. Also, there is the HDR 68 that fires the same size rounds as the Byrna. The HDR 68 has power upgrades and ammo options too. I want a Byrna for carrying around town but if were just talking power, Umarex has it all the way.
You are exactly on point! This video is a little older and now there are plenty of options with the Umarex products, I do carry the Byrna with chemical rounds also.
This is great! Because I have the TR 11 but not the Byrna. I have the PepperBall Lifelight and I’m curious to how it compares to the Byrna so now I will compare it to my TR 11. ;-]
Did you notice any difference at all when you swapped out the 7.5 joules to the 11 joules? I ask because I recieved a kit to swap it out from 7.5 to 11 joules. Great comparison video by the way. Very informative.
I have a tr50 with no block and the block disk in the handle instead. Also steel tuning barrel 8inch that I going to by a 12cm extra extender to get 14inch barrel, from z-ram. I read that should get atleast 20j. Next step is shorter pin, that get me 30j with that kit i have for now. I have the HDP full kit with steel barrel 8inch..realy strong. Both guns, shoot with 2.8gram bullets. Should go up to 3.8grams bullet to get more joules. Can shoot up to 8gram steel bullets.
Power is important for sure but so is being able to change out ammo. Devasators, powderballs, and even bolts if you want can be shot with the tr50. Both good defence guns but one with much more versatility.
My 11 Joule TR50 has measured 502 FPS with 22 Gr. nylon balls for 12.31 FPE or 16.7 Joules. It shoots the plastic balls completely through 1/2 in. drywall and dents a piece behind. The balls also will penetrate both sides of a Progresso soup can (heavier gauge steel than Campbells). I can imagine what they would do when shot at an attackers face !
you should have used the straight from the factory HDR 50 11 joules along with their black nylon/pvc rounds and the devastators. I hear the factory 11 joule hdr has better seals and overbuilt compared to a modified 7.5 joule recreation version. This comparison doesn't do the Umarex weapon justice since there's also no chrono test to reference both products
Hello, when it comes to power and a smaller the better air gun, what would you recommend? I'd like a gun I could carry almost always, but if it's a giant like the 11 Joules I know I won't want to carry it too often. I like the GRIMBURG FSC / PEPPERBALL TCP. What do you think about the size of it? It is one of the most powerful air guns, right? It's 4 pounds and pretty expensive. Anyways, if you have time let me know what most favorite smallest gun that packs a punch is. thanks@@airgunnerreviews7888
TR50 can be easily modified, the 7.5 has bigger chamber then the 11 jouile if you take out the valve block. you can also create a new valveblock for the TR50 with a used co2 cartridge.
Ok the diff.price also u cant shoot alot diff ammo in berna also upgrades i have both my hdr 50 is 47 jouls berna is very weak compared i do many tests
In many states, 47 Joules is pushing the limits for them to be considered less than lethal so you need to be careful with the upgrade kits and check with your local law enforcement to see what the state limit is. If you've ever been shot with the Byrna Kinetic rounds, you wouldn't call them weak at all. They hit hard and hurt like hell 😔 My son can group all 5 shots with his Byrna SD within a 3 inch circle at 20 feet which will easily drop anyone who tries to mess with him. Unfortunately he's not allowed to use the chemical rounds until he takes the Chemical Agent Certification exam from Byrna, but even then the Cal State Universities don't allow any type of chemical agents on campus.
Seeing how you can put metal slugs and actual 9mm full metal jackets in an HDR50, it has more capabilities. Let alone the endless modifications you can do to them.
That’s using the “Byrna Bouncer” as I call it. Projectiles bounce off or only partially impact demo targets at what, 11-17 Joules maximum? Humans here volunteer to take direct hits. The Grishom Gavle 1.5 produces a whopping 39 Joules with 16 gm CO2 canisters. Any volunteers to take those rounds boys? Toys versus self defense. Bounce offs or “dig ‘em outs”. Take your pick.
Very true I definitely see where your coming from! Unfortunately neither of thes launchers are ideal as the Byrna lacks power but can be drawn and fired in one motion and the Gavle has high power but two hands are needed to activate so if someone rushes in your not going to have time to activate the C02. We are still lacking in the less lethal world!
I like your test. You have a control which is important. The spread is also important. But I do honestly want to know what the affects would be on a person wearing a thick sweater. Obviously that would be a test I wouldn't recommend testing but!! Would that stop a person or just piss someone off? I wonder.
Unfortunately I do not believe 11 joules is enough to stop a person with a medium to heavy jacket unless you shoot them in the face! I just ordered the new 16 joule Byrna LE so I will be doing a power comparison video shortly!
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From one Upstate New Yorker to another… great comparison!
I’m a TR50 fan.
Right on!
The main thing with TR50/HDR50 is that you can use HPA instead of CO2. That takes it to another power level entirely. There is youtube videos of people modding TR50/HDR50 to 90 Joules, which is equivalent to 22 short firearm.
That is true the they can become true powerhouses!
Can't find hpa, do you have a link?
HPA for HDR/HDP 50 guns is a gimmick to play in the garage with. It makes them bulky and harder to manage. They are meant to be convenient and easy to use when needed. If you feel that you need to go to that power level, just get a PCP pellet gun. I have a MUB 50 for the night stand and an AEA HP SS .30 for follow-up.
@MWS67 I agree. I have a remote line option for target practice, back to CO2 for home defense.
Nice comparison, but I believe it would've been a big difference if you had used devastator rounds in the TR50.
I totally agree I hear those rounds are a powerhouse!
Where's ah link to somebody firing em? I always see that comment from folks but never ah demo 🤔
Can’t get them currently.
@@RT-if1qu air gun alley channel has some good videos on that.
I shot some thick sheet rock with my 7.5 Joules using the 9mm slugs and it shredded it. Those pistols are crazy and different
HDR68 makes the HDR50 look like a toy. Great video! Thanks for the comparison.
I totally it kind of does!😂
Nice comparison. I like the sheetrock method you used. I don't have a Byrna but that firing system is definitely better than the tap to charge or my outdated twist to charge TCP.
The bryna is a bad mf for non lethal
The advantage with the Umarex comes in the use of the pepperballs. I have a Byrna, and while I like it, the spring pressure in the magazine has cracked a couple of the pepperballs. While the Umarex rounds are smaller, they also are not under pressure, which means the pepperballs don’t break inadvertantly.
I totally agree! I have choked on a couple of cracked pepper balls myself. Not fun!
I completely disagree. That’s pure marketing, don’t fall for it.
As a non-lethal weapon enthusiast for years now pepper balls are a gimmick. They can easily break in your gun incapacitating you. The chances of them breaking on somebody’s clothes they’re wearing is slim.
There is a reason police fire pepper balls at the ground.
No, the advantage of these is the impact of the ball, the sound it makes, and that it looks like a real firearm.
So what you get is the perfect device to create a distraction to buy you some time to either grab your actual pepper spray, jump on the person, or run.
Using pepper balls in these is taking a huge risk and not recommended after doing extensive research on it.
@@airgunnerreviews7888 pepper balls are a gimmick
There’s a reason people police use paintball guns, and shoot them at the ground.
Those steel balls and the rubber coated steel are nice also.
HDR/TR 50 has options for power upgrades and ammunition that Byrna doesn't have. Also, there is the HDR 68 that fires the same size rounds as the Byrna. The HDR 68 has power upgrades and ammo options too. I want a Byrna for carrying around town but if were just talking power, Umarex has it all the way.
You are exactly on point! This video is a little older and now there are plenty of options with the Umarex products, I do carry the Byrna with chemical rounds also.
What all kits are made for the hdr 50 factory 11 joules I see them listed for sale from the factory
I'd like to see a comparison with the modified HDP50 and the Byrna.
My man put some devastators in it
Absolutely agree, next time!
This is great! Because I have the TR 11 but not the Byrna. I have the PepperBall Lifelight and I’m curious to how it compares to the Byrna so now I will compare it to my TR 11. ;-]
Hdr50 all day. Way better gun. Devastators will smoke you. That Byrna will sting and leave a welt like a paintball
Yes with the devastator rounds this makes the TR50 very hot!
In South Africa, we can purchase the HDR 50 11j stock..
Defense innovation sells a 11j factory tr50
Did you notice any difference at all when you swapped out the 7.5 joules to the 11 joules? I ask because I recieved a kit to swap it out from 7.5 to 11 joules. Great comparison video by the way. Very informative.
Yes it has much more power, good luck with the install!!!
I have a tr50 with no block and the block disk in the handle instead.
Also steel tuning barrel 8inch that I going to by a 12cm extra extender to get 14inch barrel, from z-ram.
I read that should get atleast 20j.
Next step is shorter pin, that get me 30j with that kit i have for now.
I have the HDP full kit with steel barrel 8inch..realy strong. Both guns, shoot with 2.8gram bullets.
Should go up to 3.8grams bullet to get more joules.
Can shoot up to 8gram steel bullets.
wow those are some powerhouses!
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Power is important for sure but so is being able to change out ammo. Devasators, powderballs, and even bolts if you want can be shot with the tr50. Both good defence guns but one with much more versatility.
I totally agree the tr50 offers a variety of ammo choices and cost effective! Thanks for dropping by!
How many joules is the Bryna SD XL and with a Mercy less LETHAL 12 gr adapter?
Hi! On the Byrna website they claim the HD model has 13 joules, I was using the XL model with the built in 12 gr adapter.
My 11 Joule TR50 has measured 502 FPS with 22 Gr. nylon balls for 12.31 FPE or 16.7 Joules. It shoots the plastic balls completely through 1/2 in. drywall and dents a piece behind. The balls also will penetrate both sides of a Progresso soup can (heavier gauge steel than Campbells). I can imagine what they would do when shot at an attackers face !
Definitely would take a nose off!😂
The ammo in this video sounded like plastic practice rounds
you should have used the straight from the factory HDR 50 11 joules along with their black nylon/pvc rounds and the devastators. I hear the factory 11 joule hdr has better seals and overbuilt compared to a modified 7.5 joule recreation version. This comparison doesn't do the Umarex weapon justice since there's also no chrono test to reference both products
Try the rubber coated steel
Nice video. Remove the valve restrictor on that TR50, get a powerkit, a steel barrel and Deez büllets.Thank me later 👍
The 11 joule upgrade is ok, but the 24/7 power kit is well over 20+ joules which is much more powerful than the Byrna.
wow! I will have to google this to find out more, thanks!
Hello, when it comes to power and a smaller the better air gun, what would you recommend? I'd like a gun I could carry almost always, but if it's a giant like the 11 Joules I know I won't want to carry it too often. I like the GRIMBURG FSC / PEPPERBALL TCP. What do you think about the size of it? It is one of the most powerful air guns, right? It's 4 pounds and pretty expensive. Anyways, if you have time let me know what most favorite smallest gun that packs a punch is. thanks@@airgunnerreviews7888
TR50 can be easily modified, the 7.5 has bigger chamber then the 11 jouile if you take out the valve block. you can also create a new valveblock for the TR50 with a used co2 cartridge.
Interesting thanks for the info!
KingOnega150 Videos can you explain creating a new valve block from a used cartridge?
@@1satisfiedmind rune rebel made one in his videos. he can show you better than I can tell you. th-cam.com/video/L9_I4o5-xvI/w-d-xo.html
you need to change the barrel on the tr50
Ok the diff.price also u cant shoot alot diff ammo in berna also upgrades i have both my hdr 50 is 47 jouls berna is very weak compared i do many tests
I totally agree!
In many states, 47 Joules is pushing the limits for them to be considered less than lethal so you need to be careful with the upgrade kits and check with your local law enforcement to see what the state limit is. If you've ever been shot with the Byrna Kinetic rounds, you wouldn't call them weak at all. They hit hard and hurt like hell 😔
My son can group all 5 shots with his Byrna SD within a 3 inch circle at 20 feet which will easily drop anyone who tries to mess with him. Unfortunately he's not allowed to use the chemical rounds until he takes the Chemical Agent Certification exam from Byrna, but even then the Cal State Universities don't allow any type of chemical agents on campus.
Cool video but the camera quality is very poor !!! It looks like the TR50 went in a little deeper !!!
The Byrna sounds stronger both coming out of the gun and hitting the target.
Seeing how you can put metal slugs and actual 9mm full metal jackets in an HDR50, it has more capabilities. Let alone the endless modifications you can do to them.
Very true!
The thing is... the t50... shoots anything
The other just balls... i got the 68 16 juel , that thing 😮
Very true!
Nelson from the simpsons
That’s using the “Byrna Bouncer” as I call it. Projectiles bounce off or only partially impact demo targets at what, 11-17 Joules maximum? Humans here volunteer to take direct hits. The Grishom Gavle 1.5 produces a whopping 39 Joules with 16 gm CO2 canisters. Any volunteers to take those rounds boys? Toys versus self defense. Bounce offs or “dig ‘em outs”. Take your pick.
Very true I definitely see where your coming from! Unfortunately neither of thes launchers are ideal as the Byrna lacks power but can be drawn and fired in one motion and the Gavle has high power but two hands are needed to activate so if someone rushes in your not going to have time to activate the C02. We are still lacking in the less lethal world!
I like your test. You have a control which is important. The spread is also important.
But I do honestly want to know what the affects would be on a person wearing a thick sweater. Obviously that would be a test I wouldn't recommend testing but!! Would that stop a person or just piss someone off? I wonder.
Unfortunately I do not believe 11 joules is enough to stop a person with a medium to heavy jacket unless you shoot them in the face! I just ordered the new 16 joule Byrna LE so I will be doing a power comparison video shortly!
@@airgunnerreviews7888 looking forward to it.
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