PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE ASKING ANY TECHNICAL QUESTIONS! Steve is always happy to answer any connection questions via email at soundsheavenly.com if you are in UK or Europe. For personal reasons, I apologise that I can't offer cables or technical support advice if you are outside UK or Europe (please remember that I'm just one person and I get well over 100 enquiries a day so unfortunately I can't give free technical support to everyone). I am sorry that I can't reply to technical questions in TH-cam comments, this is only possible via my website. Thanks for your patience and understanding. Sorry about the background noise - this is a busy workshop with numerous products being repaired as we were filming. Please contact MultiCare at www.multicare.org.uk with any questions about repairing or upgrading your B&O products. To find the same cables that are supplied with the Beogram 4000c, please visit soundsheavenly.com
Thanks Steve - very useful video as always to see how B&O turntables are refurbished. I have used a Beogram TX2 refurbished a few years ago by my local Spelier dealer in Brussels which has always worked well. I bought a refurbished MMC 1 cartridge from a specialist repairer in Germany especially for CD4 playback, although the quality varies according to the disc and the 40k hertz signal for the surround.
Thanks, glad the video was helpful. The CD4 quad playback system was an amazing idea, but this does depend on the quality of the discs as it is working at the limits of the vinyl technology.
Lovely to see! I still use my Beogram 2200 that I bought new 1980. I have refurbished mine by cannibalising from another 2200 I bought on auction that had the pieces working that was defect on mine but apart from that was a wreck😊
Yes, I love these classic Beograms. I can recommend SoundSmith, who make the styli on the Beogram 4000c, I use their products at home and I'm happy with them
Very interesting - especially to see that they are also repairing the 4000. I confess to using very little of my B&O these days - but still have three BG 400X type decks - a 4000, and 4004 and the infamous 4001! Clearly doing a roaring trade - I did think of getting one of the original 4000c models but very expensive and in my case not really going to add anything. I had a Soundsmith cartridge but the black body put me right off it so gave it away. Sticking with my silver MMC20CLs and the custom MMC20SH for the 4001!
@@soundsheavenly The 4000 was an iconic original model, but the drive system is better on the later models (4002,4004,6000 etc). The 4000 drive was quite a bit over engineered, f.ex. it could actually play a record backwards (if the motor direction was changed), since the arm could move both ways. Which is not very useful, so on later models the drive was simplified to just moving the arm inwards. Another drawback (which is by no way B&Os fault) is that it was based on a series of integrated circuits, that are no longer available. So in case of faults in the logic, you are in deep trouble. But they are all amazing turntables, and I am warming up to get my 4002 in the basement and polishing it up. I fixed the arm system last year; they are prone to the old lubrication hardening, so it had to be taken apart to get things moving again. But even after so many years, it is still a little engineering marvel...
Yes I like the fact that it was over engineered. The 4000 also had an AC motor (changed to DC on the 4002) which makes refurbishing it more complicated.
Having the capacitors changed in one of my three Beomaster 2400's took my breath away when I paid the bill. I can only imagine the price of this exercise. It's no longer possible for me to have B & O serviced locally.
Cool video! I've been doing some work on Thorens players lately and i'm wondering if a B&O would sound better than my td145. They sure do look the part, keep up the good work!
Thanks Steve 👍👍 in your opinion is it the design that made the Beogram 4000 so iconic in comparison to other Beogram decks ?? I have a Beogram 3300 how would that compare to the earlier 4000 ? Which was 1970s and the 3300 was a short lived deck of the 80s ? Thanks Simon
@@Smog104 The Beogram 3000 was a Thorens TD 124 with a B&O arm. A very nice turntable, but I must admit the Thorens drive is the best part of the combo...
Hi, that is an interesting observation. The orange/red dot usually refers to "power off" on B&O products, so on those Beograms, the button is a play/stop button (pressing it while the Beogram is playing should stop the music).
@@soundsheavenly I bought my first beogram turntable 5500, it has a beautiful design. But I sent it back since it wasn't working as expected. Now I was curious to understand. You mean the writing "play" and the printed orange circle are capacitive buttons? you can start the beogram from outside without opening the lid? If so some models have the stop button on the front side and some don't? thanks for you expertise
@@maxxflyer Each Beogram model will be different, but usually the buttons have a physical touch switch that presses in, so they are not usually capacitive. However, they will allow you to operate the basic functions of the Beogram without opening the lid on many Beogram models.
This is not a kit that you buy to install yourself, you need to contact a B&O classic repair agent like Multicare so that they can install this for you. You can reach Multicare at www.multicare.org.uk
Best to contact MultiCare directly for a quote at www.multicare.org.uk If you need any cables for your B&O system once you have got this working, please ask and I will be happy to help!
Hi Steve, I’ve got a B&O 7000, it sounds scratchy, it has built in preamp, I’m wondering if it’s the signal path or the cartridge? It sounds great for a record or two, then it would loose the left channel. Please help. Very much appreciated.
The most common cause of issues like this is the cartridge, as the original B&O cartridge will be over 30 years old by now. I use Sound Smith cartridges on my B&O at home and I am very pleased with the results
I never owned a Bang & Olufsen table nor have I seen one in person. My question is, is it impossible for someone to make some type of adapter so one can use a common cartridge on these instead of the proprietary B&O cartridges? I really don't understand why it can't be done? Can someone please explain?
One of the many unique parts of the B&O turntable design is the moving micro cross (MMC) cartridge, that is built differently to regular moving coil or moving magnet designs. This gives high quality sound with a much smaller mass than any other cartridge design, hence why you can't convert a Beogram to use normal bulky cartridges.
@@soundsheavenly I do understand that their cartridge has a unique connection making other fits impossible but the arm can't be adjusted for weight, antiskating and such? I want one just because of the design but due to the hassle of the cartridges I don't bother.
There is more to it than just adjusting the weight and the fittings, the tone arm is designed for a low total mass, which just doesn’t work when a heavier cartridge is used. It is worth using the correct cartridge for the best results, there is no way around this
hi i wonder what costs more a sony A500P betacam digi pro video deck i would worry if i had a deck set up like this they thing could drop on it i have a RS 1700 reel to reel yes a 2 inch tape did something i did fix it lucky it was under the nab tape holder there are new reel to reel decks coming out that cost big money my otari mx80 was not 100% pay£1100 for it i am fining 100% as new gear hard to find re cap is a right pain yes i do this this where alot of tec time goe's now they put very high end caps in that is not needed i am finding it's i kind of scam alot of them do
Did you see the jony ive designed and i use the term designed in the loosest possible sense linn lp12 ? they want $60k for it , and i have to say it doesn't get anywhere near the 4000 aesthetically or even technically , imo the lp12 is the most overrated hi fi component of all time , lots of bno gear massively underrated as people assume just because its beautiful it cant have any redeeming qualities , tell that to Ferrari etc.. The Lp1260 features ive designed speed change and lid hniges , no thats not a joke ... smh
Yes, but all my best music was collected on vinyl through the 80's and 90's! Deezer and Spotify are great, but I have songs from local bands that never got digitised, the only way to hear some of my favourite music is with a record player - and so I want it to be a good one!
I own a Beogram 4000, bought in Dk, when a was a student there, unfourtunatly it got damage, the arm and when I intent to be repair at U.S. they not only did not, also lost some parts on de base of the arm....can be possible for me, in Mexico City, to get repair my very valuable Beogram 4000 ? and instruct me , how that can be, I guess I need to export my equipment to a place, you indicate me ¡ thanks if you can assist me whit these....
Sorry to hear about these problems. I don't know anything about repairs, please contact your nearest B&O store for their advice on repair agents in your area.
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PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE ASKING ANY TECHNICAL QUESTIONS! Steve is always happy to answer any connection questions via email at soundsheavenly.com if you are in UK or Europe. For personal reasons, I apologise that I can't offer cables or technical support advice if you are outside UK or Europe (please remember that I'm just one person and I get well over 100 enquiries a day so unfortunately I can't give free technical support to everyone). I am sorry that I can't reply to technical questions in TH-cam comments, this is only possible via my website. Thanks for your patience and understanding.
Sorry about the background noise - this is a busy workshop with numerous products being repaired as we were filming. Please contact MultiCare at www.multicare.org.uk with any questions about repairing or upgrading your B&O products. To find the same cables that are supplied with the Beogram 4000c, please visit soundsheavenly.com
The Golden Era. What a great video.
Thanks, glad you enjoyed it!
Fantastic
Thanks! Glad you liked the video!
Thank you for showing us, Steve.
My pleasure - thanks for watching!
Thanks Steve - very useful video as always to see how B&O turntables are refurbished. I have used a Beogram TX2 refurbished a few years ago by my local Spelier dealer in Brussels which has always worked well. I bought a refurbished MMC 1 cartridge from a specialist repairer in Germany especially for CD4 playback, although the quality varies according to the disc and the 40k hertz signal for the surround.
Thanks, glad the video was helpful. The CD4 quad playback system was an amazing idea, but this does depend on the quality of the discs as it is working at the limits of the vinyl technology.
Thank you, I love you for showing such things.
Thanks!
It’s just so beautiful.
Yes, it looks and sounds amazing!
The beogram 8000 with it's amazing magnetic drive , real cutting edge
Yes the Beogram 8000 is a masterpiece, but I think the 4000 series turntables look better and are generally more reliable due to their simpler design
Lovely to see! I still use my Beogram 2200 that I bought new 1980. I have refurbished mine by cannibalising from another 2200 I bought on auction that had the pieces working that was defect on mine but apart from that was a wreck😊
Thanks! Glad to hear your classic Beogram is working well!
Iconic stuff isnt it Steve! I have a 3000 turntable but no stylus just yet! I'm running a project debut at the moment!
Yes, I love these classic Beograms. I can recommend SoundSmith, who make the styli on the Beogram 4000c, I use their products at home and I'm happy with them
Fascinating thanks Steve !
Glad you liked it!
Nice piano piece used as back ground.
Thanks, I do like that track, I have included the details in the video description
Very interesting - especially to see that they are also repairing the 4000. I confess to using very little of my B&O these days - but still have three BG 400X type decks - a 4000, and 4004 and the infamous 4001! Clearly doing a roaring trade - I did think of getting one of the original 4000c models but very expensive and in my case not really going to add anything. I had a Soundsmith cartridge but the black body put me right off it so gave it away. Sticking with my silver MMC20CLs and the custom MMC20SH for the 4001!
Yes, it is great to see the work that they are doing, I wish I had kept my 4000 now…
@@soundsheavenly The 4000 was an iconic original model, but the drive system is better on the later models (4002,4004,6000 etc). The 4000 drive was quite a bit over engineered, f.ex. it could actually play a record backwards (if the motor direction was changed), since the arm could move both ways. Which is not very useful, so on later models the drive was simplified to just moving the arm inwards. Another drawback (which is by no way B&Os fault) is that it was based on a series of integrated circuits, that are no longer available. So in case of faults in the logic, you are in deep trouble. But they are all amazing turntables, and I am warming up to get my 4002 in the basement and polishing it up. I fixed the arm system last year; they are prone to the old lubrication hardening, so it had to be taken apart to get things moving again. But even after so many years, it is still a little engineering marvel...
Yes I like the fact that it was over engineered. The 4000 also had an AC motor (changed to DC on the 4002) which makes refurbishing it more complicated.
Beautiful
Thanks!
Having the capacitors changed in one of my three Beomaster 2400's took my breath away when I paid the bill. I can only imagine the price of this exercise. It's no longer possible for me to have B & O serviced locally.
Some repair agents can be very expensive but I have found MultiCare to be very reasonable for the work they have done for me
Cool video! I've been doing some work on Thorens players lately and i'm wondering if a B&O would sound better than my td145. They sure do look the part, keep up the good work!
Thanks! These are certainly very good turntables, I haven’t heard the td145 but I suspect that the B&O should give a similar sound quality
I do not need another turntable, Steve...😮😉👍 That was excellent - what a brilliant service. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks! There is always room for another turntable 👍🏻🤣
Dear Steve Thank you very much for this video; can you informe me about the price of a refurbish Beogram 4000?
Many thanks
Kind regardes,
António
Hi, glad you enjoyed the video, please contact your local B&O dealer to find prices of their products in your area
Do you know of anyone doing this in the States?
No, sorry. You need to contact B&O in Denmark for this.
the 4000 is king. I only have a Fine 8002 with a good org. mmc2 beside my beocenter 9500 :)
These are both great turntables!
Thanks Steve 👍👍 in your opinion is it the design that made the Beogram 4000 so iconic in comparison to other Beogram decks ?? I have a Beogram 3300 how would that compare to the earlier 4000 ? Which was 1970s and the 3300 was a short lived deck of the 80s ? Thanks Simon
For me, the 4000 series is the best of B&O design and quality, well made and timeless. Their other decks are great, but these are the highlight for me
@@soundsheavenly they say the Thorens and BnO collaboration on the non tangential deck produced a beauty I forget the model number
Yes, I think this was the Beogram 3000 Thorens. A great deck for sound quality but still lacking the design and usability of the Beogram 4000
@@Smog104 The Beogram 3000 was a Thorens TD 124 with a B&O arm. A very nice turntable, but I must admit the Thorens drive is the best part of the combo...
It is certainly a great turntable and well worth looking out for!
Amazing,
Thank you! Glad you liked it!
Super!
Thanks!
hallo, why some beograms turntables have an organge dot printed in the front panel near to the PLAY text and some don't? thanks
Hi, that is an interesting observation. The orange/red dot usually refers to "power off" on B&O products, so on those Beograms, the button is a play/stop button (pressing it while the Beogram is playing should stop the music).
@@soundsheavenly I bought my first beogram turntable 5500, it has a beautiful design. But I sent it back since it wasn't working as expected. Now I was curious to understand. You mean the writing "play" and the printed orange circle are capacitive buttons? you can start the beogram from outside without opening the lid? If so some models have the stop button on the front side and some don't? thanks for you expertise
@@maxxflyer Each Beogram model will be different, but usually the buttons have a physical touch switch that presses in, so they are not usually capacitive. However, they will allow you to operate the basic functions of the Beogram without opening the lid on many Beogram models.
@@soundsheavenly thanks. I tried to touch the "play" text on the front but it didn't seem to start the turntable. Maybe it was broken or disconnected
@maxxflyer you have to press the button in until it clicks
How can i get this restoration kit ?
This is not a kit that you buy to install yourself, you need to contact a B&O classic repair agent like Multicare so that they can install this for you. You can reach Multicare at www.multicare.org.uk
How much to bring one of these "50 year old B&O icon bask to life"?
Best to contact MultiCare directly for a quote at www.multicare.org.uk If you need any cables for your B&O system once you have got this working, please ask and I will be happy to help!
Hi Steve, I’ve got a B&O 7000, it sounds scratchy, it has built in preamp, I’m wondering if it’s the signal path or the cartridge? It sounds great for a record or two, then it would loose the left channel. Please help. Very much appreciated.
The most common cause of issues like this is the cartridge, as the original B&O cartridge will be over 30 years old by now. I use Sound Smith cartridges on my B&O at home and I am very pleased with the results
@@soundsheavenly What would you recommend for my table? Should i go back to the MMC 5 or MMC 2?
@@davidnguyen5028 I use the Sound Smith SMMC4 (the base model) and it sounds far better than original B&O cartridges to my ears
@@soundsheavenly Thanks!
I never owned a Bang & Olufsen table nor have I seen one in person. My question is, is it impossible for someone to make some type of adapter so one can use a common cartridge on these instead of the proprietary B&O cartridges? I really don't understand why it can't be done? Can someone please explain?
One of the many unique parts of the B&O turntable design is the moving micro cross (MMC) cartridge, that is built differently to regular moving coil or moving magnet designs. This gives high quality sound with a much smaller mass than any other cartridge design, hence why you can't convert a Beogram to use normal bulky cartridges.
@@soundsheavenly I do understand that their cartridge has a unique connection making other fits impossible but the arm can't be adjusted for weight, antiskating and such? I want one just because of the design but due to the hassle of the cartridges I don't bother.
There is more to it than just adjusting the weight and the fittings, the tone arm is designed for a low total mass, which just doesn’t work when a heavier cartridge is used. It is worth using the correct cartridge for the best results, there is no way around this
@@soundsheavenly A pity
I have a Beogram 4002 can i get my unit refurbished
from your company
You need to contact Multicare at www.multicare.org.uk to discuss refurbishing your Beogram
Fkk sooo fantastic 😍😍😍😍😍
Glad you like it!
Which car?
A 1999 Porsche Boxster 😉
Ya Nice 97 z3 here. Cheers
@@HeroInTheSun very nice!
This player always brings to mind are the BMW e9 3.0 CS and the 2800 CS true classic
Dear Santa ……………..
Absolutely! Also on my Christmas wish list...
hi i wonder what costs more a sony A500P betacam digi pro video deck i would worry if i had a deck set up like this
they thing could drop on it
i have a RS 1700 reel to reel yes a 2 inch tape did something i did fix it lucky it was under the nab tape holder
there are new reel to reel decks coming out that cost big money my otari mx80 was not 100% pay£1100 for it i am fining 100% as new gear hard to find
re cap is a right pain yes i do this this where alot of tec time goe's now
they put very high end caps in that is not needed i am finding it's i kind of scam alot of them do
I do like the reel to reel decks, but I agree there probably isn't much scope to improve on the sound by upgrading them
Did you see the jony ive designed and i use the term designed in the loosest possible sense linn lp12 ? they want $60k for it , and i have to say it doesn't get anywhere near the 4000 aesthetically or even technically , imo the lp12 is the most overrated hi fi component of all time , lots of bno gear massively underrated as people assume just because its beautiful it cant have any redeeming qualities , tell that to Ferrari etc..
The Lp1260 features ive designed speed change and lid hniges , no thats not a joke ... smh
Come on! We are only playing vinyl. The whole world is going crazy.
Yes, but all my best music was collected on vinyl through the 80's and 90's! Deezer and Spotify are great, but I have songs from local bands that never got digitised, the only way to hear some of my favourite music is with a record player - and so I want it to be a good one!
I own a Beogram 4000, bought in Dk, when a was a student there, unfourtunatly it got damage, the arm and when I intent to be repair at U.S. they not only did not, also lost some parts on de base of the arm....can be possible for me, in Mexico City, to get repair my very valuable Beogram 4000 ? and instruct me , how that can be, I guess I need to export my equipment to a place, you indicate me ¡ thanks if you can assist me whit these....
Sorry to hear about these problems. I don't know anything about repairs, please contact your nearest B&O store for their advice on repair agents in your area.