Great demo! I really like the way you did the FM Interjections; they showed up right as I wanted a quick, melodic break. And the kick patch sounded really fantastic. The only part I didn't like was the bit where I immediately went and ordered one for myself! :D
The thru zero fm on the triangle wave sounds so amazing. Whole module sounds fantastic. One of the best simple oscillators I've seen yet. Thanks for the video, Ben.
Wow! This thing sounds awesome. My 2nd module? Certainly added this one to the list of candidates. Not to confident with a soldering iron though. Not done any serious soldering. Looks like it's DIY kit only.
Nice design and sounds great. The build looks like a “medium PITA”. Not a beginner build, but nothing like building an Easel. I haven’t looked into the calibration process. In the US, it’s around $250 for a full kit plus your build time. Compare with the $399 (and humongous) Rubicon II, which clearly has significant overlap with this module.
I've built a fair bit, but it wasn't hard at all. The calibration was easy too. You can do it with a stable voltage source and a rubbish computer oscilloscope. A couple of really good oscillators, these two.
Sounds amazing! Ok further into the clip...this thing sounds unlike anything and plan to add next to my A-110-4. Just brilliant...I also read that it is through hole...which adds to my personal opinion that non SMD stuff has a tone that I find above SMD stuff...I know it should not, but there you go.
I'm glad i made you laugh Ben. :D Looks like a real nice and feature-rich VCO, as always the question...how good is the tracking? Wouldnt it be nice with some kind of a standard method for testing VCO's pitch-tracking (like the saw into a filter sweep with a few different resonance levels for the filter tests) I normally test a new VCO together with a stable source (like a sampler och DCO). Then i play both OSC's mixed together on midi keyboard, just going up the scale until the test VCO starts to drift from the reference too much and the beating kicks in. My good tracking VCO's track quite far (near dogwhistle territory :D), like the Dixie II and the Z3000mk2. But i guess it is a bit tricky coz if it is just a few cents off in the beginning it can have a big effect further up. I think we should have a number...like on the amplifiers signal to noise ratio, noise floor etc. Like at how many notes up does the tuning go before it goes out of a certain range (have to decide what amount of cents is reasonable value to use as max detuned) As it is now is guesswork even from manufacturers...like -"on a good day, in the sun you may get 5 octaves". Anyway, maybe this is to small ans niche to rant about this kinds of things, just some thoughts...laters.
Really high quality oscillator. Really sharp, noise free and analytic waveforms out of it. Most of the triangles, sines and sawtooths I see on other oscillators, are very approximate and rounded. Sometimes sonically it doesn't matter, or actually helps, but it is nice to see an oscillator that is very pure and predictable in their shapes. The output isn't exactly -5V to +5V, there is slight positive bias, maybe -4.5V to +4.8V ?
all sounds great. i have one critique of the EN129 tho.. its sine wave does not sound like a pure sine wave at all. its full of harmonics, almost as if some of the triangle or square is bleeding in. on both demos (with instruo and with cali osc) ive compared to Doepfer 110-4, Stroh 258J and Endorphin FG and and they are much purer sines. in that order.
in fairness, the furthrrrr generator only does through-zero if you use a digital oscillator core, so that should be expected to be pure. I assume you're going from less to more pure there?
@@GeorgeLocke i commented on the quality of analog sine wave specifically i.e. not limiting that observation to thru zero products only. There are many analog osc that have purer sine than this, with or without tz capability, so this is not the expected norm. having a less than pure sine isnt the end of the world, but does affect the outcome in any fm context: regardless whether you choose expo, linear or linear tz. or phase modulation for that matter. PS the FG i mentioned is regular all analog version. the digital strong core tz is an option, which i don't like the sound of at all, to be honest.
While looking for a Thru Zero Oscillator I came across the Liivatera TZ VCO. It is in the same price range as this (comes assembled) and has some added CV + more FM and sync options, but I can´t find any good demos of it. Any experience with one?
What filter and envelope are you using? Really nice snappy pluck sounds. You create some amazing patches and sounds. I'd love to hear your music. Are there any modules this good that you can buy without DIY?
DivKidVideo Yes that's the one at about 7:30. I went to a local hackspace to learn how to solder this week as I want to build one of these oscillators. It seemed to go pretty well. It's got a great sound and is a pretty cheap way into zero-through fm. It would be nice to play analogue fm sounds across the keyboard or sequence and get something musical. Do you really rate it over linear? How does it compare to the rubicon oscillator? I'm quite tempted by that and the dpo but the dpo doesn't do zero through.
Yeah Thonk DIY kit only, not sure if dannysound will assemble them to order etc. You can always ask them or Thonk and see. There's DIY builders around that will build things for people though.
Someone needs to put out a super simple, 4 or 6 hp, through-zero, Carrier-Operator sine VCO. Just v/o, a tuning knob, FM input, an FM attenuverter, and an output. Then you can just buy any number of them, chain them into each other with envelopes however you want, and have a patchable DX
@@DivKid Totally, they both look awesome, especially excited about the quad's routing abilities and am seriously considering it. and definitely getting this EN129, probably 2. I would just love the flexibility of even smaller independent modules that could be used alone or together in any carrier/operator configuration. Am I also correct that both of those only have one v/o input for the whole unit? though I guess you're feeding external VCOs into them which you can tune however you want... I'm possibly seeing a deficiency where there isn't one. I'm pretty fresh to eurorack, somethimes I miss things when I'm trying to figure out the whole space/function/price equation
@@DivKid ah, I see. Awesome, and thanks! So then I guess you can tune those however you want, and then also tune all four as a whole with the master tuning ķnob? Wow, that's really cool. Do you find it easy to get precise enough tuning with those smaller knobs it has?
Great demo! I really like the way you did the FM Interjections; they showed up right as I wanted a quick, melodic break. And the kick patch sounded really fantastic. The only part I didn't like was the bit where I immediately went and ordered one for myself! :D
Great thanks Chanse. I might make more little interjections going forward I think it helps with the longer videos.
Hard for me to justify a $250 Thonk kit, but this video nearly has me conviced. Well done, sir.
Always just trying to show what things are, how they sound and ways to use them.
... yeah where does the price comes from ? Crazy expensive components ? or just thonk charging a little bit hard ?
Gorgeous! And wonderful demo~~~ Actually inspired me to do some research into what "through zero" means!
great thank you and enjoy the research.
and it looks gorgeous
The thru zero fm on the triangle wave sounds so amazing. Whole module sounds fantastic. One of the best simple oscillators I've seen yet. Thanks for the video, Ben.
thanks
Looks and sounds amazing!
Nice one Chuck.
Cant wait for this beast (or two of them)
:) A pair would be nice, the cali-osc is of course nice too.
That square wave sounds pretty damn delicious! 7:09.heaven.
yeah really nice.
This is unrelated but I just got the Pittsburgh Modular game system module and I love it! Its an underrated discontinued module.
That is all.
Some of the discontinued stuff looks interesting but it's fair enough that a company moves on. I haven't tried a Game System.
Wow! This thing sounds awesome. My 2nd module? Certainly added this one to the list of candidates. Not to confident with a soldering iron though. Not done any serious soldering. Looks like it's DIY kit only.
Yeah DIY kit only, however there's a good few DIY builders out there that will build something for you.
The osc is so nice to listen to on its own. That’s very rare. Also interested to hear how it compares to Cali.
video for that one is coming :)
Nice design and sounds great. The build looks like a “medium PITA”. Not a beginner build, but nothing like building an Easel. I haven’t looked into the calibration process. In the US, it’s around $250 for a full kit plus your build time. Compare with the $399 (and humongous) Rubicon II, which clearly has significant overlap with this module.
To be fair R2 has double the available waveforms and other stuff.
I've built a fair bit, but it wasn't hard at all. The calibration was easy too. You can do it with a stable voltage source and a rubbish computer oscilloscope. A couple of really good oscillators, these two.
all good points, I like it when a group reply to each other :)
Sounds amazing! Ok further into the clip...this thing sounds unlike anything and plan to add next to my A-110-4. Just brilliant...I also read that it is through hole...which adds to my personal opinion that non SMD stuff has a tone that I find above SMD stuff...I know it should not, but there you go.
Glad you like the sound of it and I hope you enjoy it.
@@DivKid took me 4 months, but just ordered one. You've been my main euro pusher for years :)
The Log in wasn't as "wood'y" as the name suggested. :D :D :D
You sir....get a prize......
haha I've nothing to offer but well done Magnus that made me laugh. :)
I'm glad i made you laugh Ben. :D
Looks like a real nice and feature-rich VCO, as always the question...how good is the tracking? Wouldnt it be nice with some kind of a standard method for testing VCO's pitch-tracking (like the saw into a filter sweep with a few different resonance levels for the filter tests) I normally test a new VCO together with a stable source (like a sampler och DCO). Then i play both OSC's mixed together on midi keyboard, just going up the scale until the test VCO starts to drift from the reference too much and the beating kicks in. My good tracking VCO's track quite far (near dogwhistle territory :D), like the Dixie II and the Z3000mk2.
But i guess it is a bit tricky coz if it is just a few cents off in the beginning it can have a big effect further up. I think we should have a number...like on the amplifiers signal to noise ratio, noise floor etc. Like at how many notes up does the tuning go before it goes out of a certain range (have to decide what amount of cents is reasonable value to use as max detuned) As it is now is guesswork even from manufacturers...like -"on a good day, in the sun you may get 5 octaves". Anyway, maybe this is to small ans niche to rant about this kinds of things, just some thoughts...laters.
Really high quality oscillator. Really sharp, noise free and analytic waveforms out of it. Most of the triangles, sines and sawtooths I see on other oscillators, are very approximate and rounded. Sometimes sonically it doesn't matter, or actually helps, but it is nice to see an oscillator that is very pure and predictable in their shapes. The output isn't exactly -5V to +5V, there is slight positive bias, maybe -4.5V to +4.8V ?
5:20 Drop it like it’s hot part 2, just add 808 and you’re set for life mate!
hahaha needs a side of Snoop Dog too.
super video , wondering how this compares to the Cali Oscillator .
Well ... video coming soon on that one.
all sounds great. i have one critique of the EN129 tho.. its sine wave does not sound like a pure sine wave at all. its full of harmonics, almost as if some of the triangle or square is bleeding in. on both demos (with instruo and with cali osc)
ive compared to Doepfer 110-4, Stroh 258J and Endorphin FG and and they are much purer sines. in that order.
in fairness, the furthrrrr generator only does through-zero if you use a digital oscillator core, so that should be expected to be pure.
I assume you're going from less to more pure there?
@@GeorgeLocke i commented on the quality of analog sine wave specifically i.e. not limiting that observation to thru zero products only. There are many analog osc that have purer sine than this, with or without tz capability, so this is not the expected norm.
having a less than pure sine isnt the end of the world, but does affect the outcome in any fm context: regardless whether you choose expo, linear or linear tz. or phase modulation for that matter.
PS the FG i mentioned is regular all analog version. the digital strong core tz is an option, which i don't like the sound of at all, to be honest.
And it's DIY? I may have just found my next oscillator.
Yep DIY kit.
Why the trigger on MORDAX DATA is not triggering? The waveform is moving around.
What models were you using for your Delay? This is a really nice sounding modules. Thank you for the insight.
While looking for a Thru Zero Oscillator I came across the Liivatera TZ VCO. It is in the same price range as this (comes assembled) and has some added CV + more FM and sync options, but I can´t find any good demos of it. Any experience with one?
I've heard one a couple of years back but I don't remember it sounding quite like this for some reason. But it's a vague memory.
What filter and envelope are you using? Really nice snappy pluck sounds. You create some amazing patches and sounds. I'd love to hear your music. Are there any modules this good that you can buy without DIY?
With the square wave stuff? That was Mutable Instruments Ripples and the envelope was the WMD Multimode Envelope.
DivKidVideo Yes that's the one at about 7:30. I went to a local hackspace to learn how to solder this week as I want to build one of these oscillators. It seemed to go pretty well. It's got a great sound and is a pretty cheap way into zero-through fm. It would be nice to play analogue fm sounds across the keyboard or sequence and get something musical. Do you really rate it over linear? How does it compare to the rubicon oscillator? I'm quite tempted by that and the dpo but the dpo doesn't do zero through.
Nice! Looks like it’s kit-only right now?
Yeah Thonk DIY kit only, not sure if dannysound will assemble them to order etc. You can always ask them or Thonk and see. There's DIY builders around that will build things for people though.
does tz FM work with the square and saw waves as well?
TZFM affects the core of the whole circuit so all outs are affected.
i keep thinking if Aphex with those sounds
Any chance this will be available fully assembled?
ugh seriously!!!!
You can contact Dannysound on muffwiggler forum for fully assembled modules.
"ugh seriously!!!" Still making me laugh :)
There you go, hope he's up for making some for people.
Wonder how it compares to the zeroscillator that i love. I would build one if not that expensive. 🤕
not had them side by side to compare. Or heard a zeroscillator in a couple of years.
@@DivKid sadly i looked at the price.. i really feel diy looses a bit of it's interest these days. I'll wait for a pcb panel version maybe
..foo zero.. 👊👍🤣
How can I get one of these if I don’t DIY?
find someone that builds DIY "to order".
I would like this very much in my rack.
:) I imagine "get in my belly" from Austin Powers then for some reason.
Well now I have to make a large rack and call it "Fat Bastard."
Someone needs to put out a super simple, 4 or 6 hp, through-zero, Carrier-Operator sine VCO. Just v/o, a tuning knob, FM input, an FM attenuverter, and an output. Then you can just buy any number of them, chain them into each other with envelopes however you want, and have a patchable DX
Akemies Castle from ALM Busy Circuits and Humble Audios Quad Operator are fantastic patchable DX style FM units.
@@DivKid Totally, they both look awesome, especially excited about the quad's routing abilities and am seriously considering it. and definitely getting this EN129, probably 2. I would just love the flexibility of even smaller independent modules that could be used alone or together in any carrier/operator configuration. Am I also correct that both of those only have one v/o input for the whole unit? though I guess you're feeding external VCOs into them which you can tune however you want... I'm possibly seeing a deficiency where there isn't one. I'm pretty fresh to eurorack, somethimes I miss things when I'm trying to figure out the whole space/function/price equation
The Humble Audio Quad Operator can be used in a non ratio synced tuning mode for each of the 4 oscillators. That's then independent 4x v/oct.
@@DivKid ah, I see. Awesome, and thanks! So then I guess you can tune those however you want, and then also tune all four as a whole with the master tuning ķnob? Wow, that's really cool.
Do you find it easy to get precise enough tuning with those smaller knobs it has?
Hi Ben, which LPG module are you using at 14m29s ?
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First!
Sorry.
:)
damn, no sync
there's a new version with sync.
@@DivKid oh you're kidding! I just contacted someone who is building me one of the previous version! Lolol