Crit vs break on firefly
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 10 พ.ค. 2024
- at this current moment i recomend break more, bcs crit is much much harder to play, probably the hardest team in the game yet meanwhile break is just braindead you can probably sleep while playing and it would be fine
00:00 break team
02:49 crit team
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crit team is super hard to play, possibly the hardest team to play in the game currently because youre trying to sync firefly and robin's ults and it also needs to meet a bunch of stat lines which are : 3.4k atk without robin buff, 159 speed to be faster than sparkle, 250 break effect. sparkle needs 158 spd wind set, gallagher needs to use fine fruit lc
ALSO THE NEW PLANAR FOR FIREFLY DOESNT WORK, this is why i used talia and the rope seemingly has impossible amount of subs rolled, its to mimic the speed from the new planar set
"New planar set doesnt work on Firefly"
Lmaooooo but atleast we know that either the set will be reworked or firefly around the set
wdym doesn't work? as in it's bugged, or it's the team problem?
@@emerald_blaze its just bugged on ps
@@rafif8022 bugged
@@chewyyah can you try this team but with hook instead of firefly?
Crit: More intensive personal investment, but more flexible in who she can team with.
Break: Less intensive personal investment, but very restrictive in team composition.
you can use asta instead of ruan mei, you'll lose dmg but your firefly will have more turns and asta can help breaking enemies
@@idkwhatnametoput. you’ll still also lose out on the weakness break extension and overall ease of breaking (firefly already has a super high break damage so (at least in my opinion) buffing her break efficiency by 50% would be better than a sp negetive rng break (also I think firefly* applies or at least does something special with non fire weak so that would be a loss for asta)
@@toadsage8965 you can still clear stuff with the f2p team and you won't need to spend on limited supports, it's not about dmg
@@toadsage8965 since i dont have a built asta, im going with crit firefly, rm, and bronya (since i also dont have sparkle) and probably aventurine, gallagher, or luocha (they are my only sustains)
@@toadsage8965 you *also* miss out on a 50% buff to super break damage, as SBD scales off of the amount of toughness damage your attack would've done if the enemy wasn't broken rather than their maximum toughness.
Bro the MC does 200.000 super break damage☠️
i like how each of the breaks on the crit build are doing nearly as much as the full crit hits
I would still use hmc in crit build to be more hybrid but this is so cool, shows how powerful she would be if she could do break damage without hmc when broken, or if she had easier crit build
what hmc
@@user-kt3qj9pe4d harmony main character
@@user-kt3qj9pe4d harmony mc
@@user-kt3qj9pe4d harmony trailblazer
@@user-kt3qj9pe4dharmony trailblazer
what happen to your channel last 13 days. I couldn't find it on youtube. I got freak out
your boy is uploading a leak content, so yeah
is Superbreak the Hyperbloom of Honkai: Star Rail!?!?!? 😱😱
I dont think so hyperbloom is way too op compare to superbreak since its too conditional. You need to match the element and break the enemy toughness to proc it while hyperbloom just goes boom shaka laka to enemy regardless.Superbreak might not be viable against enemy that protect their toughness bar delaying their dmg potential
Kinda
too conditional on its own
firefly is nilou of hsr though
Less braindead than hyperbloom, cuz there is only 1 break mainstat, unlike genshin when its just braindead easy 3 mainstat
Cow
at 5:03 that's a missed turn on FF right? probably missed like 150k dmg? not that it matters in this clear, but just want to make sure
no, i did that because if i use skill on firefly, then use robin ult, firefly will turn after sparkle at the turn forwarded by robin, which means i will waste sparkle's av forward
@@chewyyahTruly detailed
@@chewyyahaaah true you ended up getting a robin ult buffed FF E in the end, only trading 32 AV which doesn't matter for the cycle, thank you!
Boothill may be easier to build because we can go just break effect on him and no crit because he has a trace which gives him crit from the amount of break effect he has! For Firefly, it’s one or the other, and I don’t have Ruan Mei which is a real shame.
She seems pretty fine with a regular crit build so I guess you can go either way if you want
I'm still gonna go break effect since I love huge burst damage but its nice to see
Is there any way to reliably make Robin's ult ends before Firefly's like in the showcase considering both of them have a fixed SPD of 90? I feel like that could make a difference depending on team and make a reliable 0 cycle clear.
You can't do that unless you robin ult before firefly ult, but if you do that u just wasted a free turn firefly could've gotten by using robin ult after firefly goes once, and firefly turns are very valuable
there is, by using firefly ult first, then robin ult before using firefly skill
with hmc instead of robin for a more hybrid setup, would she perform better esp. considering enemies that are tough to break or has a mechanism that prevents breaking altogether?
If you are running hmc you also need to run rm, break efficiency is needed
@@sarettodn5708 you don't need ruan mei, she might be the optimal support to hit all the required spots but you can probably use asta or hanya just as fine
relic grinding might be a bigger pain but you'd probably aim for a lot of break in substats anyway
@@ale-hl8pg no, you NEED ruan mei, using asta instead cuts your damage in half because you lose break efficiency which means that your super breaks are now doing 50% less damage, not only that but you also need to spend more time breaking and enemies will recover faster from breaks which means that your damage window will be much shorter AND you also lose ruan mei res pen which is incredibly important for firefly.
If you think this is false go on fribbels, they have an updated section where you can theorycraft for yourself, hmc teams without ruan mei are trash, literally worse than many 4*
@@ale-hl8pg you do not understand the formula behind super breaks if you think that ruan mei is not needed
@@sarettodn5708 having seen the actual formula you might be right
I still don't think she's necessarily needed, but she seems to be by far the best support for firefly, her entire kit fits perfectly
i think if u have robin, sparkle, bronya, crit build could be a better option since she can move faster than the enemies. but if u don't have them, building break firefly is better since we got Harmony MC.
also it's nice that we can have another diffrent teams since the introduction of Harmony MC
I feel like the extra break efficiency from ruan mei and harmony trailblazers busted super break is way better than the crit team since fireflys enhanced skill scales off break effect converting it into attack buf if you don't have ruan mei going hmc bronya/sparkle gallagher is good since you can get more turns no bronya sparkle I think asta or tingyun would be good since against a single target asta will melt the toughness for super break but you might accidentally break with her instead of firefly breaking. Tingyun is just solid support don't think you can go wrong with her and her ult's energy regenaration would be pretty useless since firefly literally needs 240 energy and already gets 50% from her skill anyways but the dmg boost is always good and her skills atk boost is never not good (except for blade) so yeah I think firefly is a pretty f2p friendly limited dps ruan mei is goated with her though so you might wanna pick her up on her rerun if you're gonna pull firefly
@@zestynutis robin firefly hmc gallagher a decent team? or actually on second thought I think I'd just put her with Ratio Topaz team instead...
@@cl4p-tp69 If you play for long enough, you will have multiple teams anyway so dont sweat over not being able to build a specific team yet.
Firefly, hmc and gallagher are very good core characters for a super break team around Firefly. Ruan Mei is easily the best choice, but from what I've grasped over the last couple of days, Bronya/Sparkle are perfectly fine alternatives, building is just a little more difficult since you can't focus on break effect only.
In the end, it doesnt matter if you clear PF with 60k or 80k or MoC12 with 0 cycles or 9.
what i wanna see is a hybrid break/crit
would be nuts if you ask me
FF, Ruan Mei, HMC, Gallagher is still the team but you invest in a 70/140 crit ratio, 240 BE, and 3500 atk, probably gonna be the best team in the game
@@morganvanlenthe5425 without absolutely perfect substats hybrid will always be worse than pure break according to calcs. Even with perfect substats it's only better by about 0.05%.
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I dont think I will be able to catch up with the stream, so I might just list out my opinion here hoping to be tested out.
FF with signature LC will have 1392 base ATK, and along with 352 ATK on glove, she should be able to achieve 3400 with 118.9 ATK %.
FF with Promise LC, on the other hand, will have 1233 base ATK, and should be able to achieve 3400 with 147.2 ATK %.
Asta give 77% ATK at Talent lv12, and ATK boots give 43.2%, sum up to 120.2%, which should be more than enough for signature LC build, but lack of 27% on Promise. Thus, with Promise FF should build with 2pc BE and 2pc ATK for 12%, along with 15% from Sparkle's bonus ability.
For BE, FF gets 37.3% from traces, 60% from bonus ability of 3400 ATK, 64.8% from BE rope, 60% from signature or 56% from Promise, 16% from 2pc BE. Since PS having problem for new planar, I uses Talia 36% for calculation. With these BE stats, FF should have 274% BE in combat, which fulfill the def ignore requirement on 250%.
So the build I mentioned would be
FF: E0S1 signature or E0S5 Promise, 2pc BE + 2pc ATK + 2pc Talia, Crit/Crit DMG body, ATK boots, Fire DMG planar sphere, BE rope. No limitations on sub-stats, you can do any crit ratio as you wish. My preference would be around 70/140.
Asta: E6S5 Planetary, 4pc Eagle + 2pc Penacony, SPD boots, ER rope. No limitations on other stats.
Sparkle: E0S1 signature or E0S5 DDD, 4pc Eagle + 2pc Vonwacq. You can use any build of high speed Eagle set Sparkle, it should be a problem with Asta's speed buff but I wanted to see how much she will be affected.
Any sustain will do, not necessary to be Gallagher. Prefably Luocha for additional Skill Point.
Thanks in advance if you completed reading this long problematic comment and tested it out.
yeah i really feel that there is no point to go crit build FF and its better to go full BE, looks way harder to play and optimize, does less dmg and the build is way more expensive, i actually thought in the beginning that her best build would be a hybrid crit/BE
tbh it prolly will be by the end of the beta. they want you to invest. its pretty obvious by the dual scaling on her skills that they want her to do dmg herself. not just breaks
@@kevingraham4736they might give her BE to crit conversion like boothill. Without that it’s almost impossible to even go above 100% crit damage with 60% crit rate
@@photon872 change her trace that gives her break effect from attack. into attack from break effect(similar to xueyi). the attack needed for that trace is so high its negligible as a bonus. this would allow you to use a crit rate chest and fire damage orb instead of attack %. significantly boosting her own damage, with a tiny loss to break damage (the original trait realistically only gives 18-24 BE requires to much attack to be worth more)
Who says go for crit build?
Hybrid is her best build. Even with Hybrid, you will still be able to use HMC and do break dmg.
@photon872 Actually, it's not impossible my Xueyi build with bad-mid relic has 181 BE 63Cr 116Cd. With HMC and ruan, I can reach 301 BE, so it's not impossible to get 70/140 crit easpisaly with Sam his Be can easily reach 250%.
I don't have any BE LC
Couldn't she work with Misha-s LC on the Critfly build? since it gives crit rate and Break, I mean i dont think is her bis but can be viable isnt it?Aeon its good¿ but the bonus it gives Robin and Sparkle can give it too. Anyway its nice to see different types of builds and team comps she can work with, thanks for sharing it
Can we start prefarming the break relics now? Or is it best to just wait until the new relics drop and hope to get god roles in 1 day?
wait
Ok thanks
@@chewyyah actually i think crit build could be better with new relics and planars. It will give additional BE, speed and def ignore.
Also i think it could be a good idea to use Ruan Mei (+atk sphere on Firefly) there, especially with her e1 to have almost 70% def ignore.
And maybe Bronya can be better with e1 Firefly to have more extra turns.
@@olexeyi1that’s why they said wait
Can i build half crit break and bring rua mei sparkle,is that more ez to deal dmg
Thanks for testing this, it was very useful! :D I'm probably going to end up using two different sets depending on the situation, but yeah, crit is much harder to play perfect. No auto play there, while BE Firefly is auto play friendly and easily clears. (But more restrictive team).
Нет, не более строгая команда.
Ты Искорку и Robin тоже не сможешь заменить в крит команде. Максимум - заменить искорку на Броню, но это потребует замедлять светлячка и броню , и гнать двух SP+ персов в как можно большую скорость. И даже в таком варианте, нужна E1S1 Броня.
(Но это не будет работать, ведь в команде с Robin и Броней тебя лишь 1 SP+ перс. Так что Robin+Искорка - это фиксированная связка для критового светлячка, чтобы он хотя бы мог тягаться с SuperBreak team.
would it be possible to use a crit team without robin? perhaps ruan mei or bronya or even the trailblazer idk
I dont have her nor can i pull for her since im saving for firefly
im gonna be playing break mostly anyway but i still wanna know
All harmony except hmc u can run critfly
so robin's gonna be a must in a team with firefly ? i just wonder if i have to pull her rn or just wait for firefly :/
What if i made this...break and crit at same time?...like since rope can only have break as main state while other will be atk and speed...body gonna be crit while all of pieces having break and crits as sub states
ok what about sam ruanmei HMC and fuxuan? something like a hybrid build but still trying to reach for the 250% BE for def shred?
you need 340break effect
@@navyasmoon340 BE? For the 40 DEF ignore? Why not 250 BE get 30 DEF ignore then build crits?
I’m not sure what to build, but my initial team for firefly’s release is gonna be Firefly, Bronya, HMC, and Gallagher. Cuz I don’t have Ruan Mei
Chewyy do Eidolons affect her state with Crit vs Break? Like Bronya's SP management with Firefly E1 is easier to pilot etc.
Mostly asking from E1 and E2 perspective, since i do plan to pull eidolons.
I still feel like i should lean more into crit esp with the extra turn advance from Bronya
higher damage makes crit easier to play at least
Hybrid team with Ruan Mei, HMC, Sparkle might be pretty viable, idea is you boost speed like crazy with hacker space plus a fast SAM and then sparkle action advance on top of that makes for a lot of SAM actions each ult. This way you can avoid needing a sustain because you break the enemies so quick, plus Ruan Mei extends break
I am interested how fuxuan, sparkle, sw and firefly hybrid works. I dont think she will do insane damage like hmc full break but her coverage will be like seele.
Imo i would go crit, i can use sparkle to make firefly move alot during her ult (slow firefly and fast sparkle is also more dmg), then I could use tingyun for energy stuff and huohuo.
what do y'all think would be the best way to build FF if the only 5 star harmony i have is robin(if it changes anything im saving to try for e1s1 or e2s0 FF)
Break
I like how you try to make crit firefly work as an example, but its kinda baised if u attempt it versus the dinosaur with dmg reducing and dmg increasing effects only
We have Hyperbloom, then Super break, whats next for ZZZ?
What does you think about just using a Brake team (Ruanmei/Htb) with crit Firefly?
I don't get people dislike torward Crit FF. I feel like either they saw what Boothill do and expect FF to do the same but blast or Break meta thing really get to their head.
The reason full BE FF is tied to HMC is because she is not designed to build full BE. She has a BE to Skill multiplier for a reason. She's a hybrid character, like Xueyi.
it's because HMC is busted, but then again, I think this only shines when you have a team that loves break effects
hmc/gallagher/ff and a support (rm is optimal but it's not like you need her) would probably be insane, I'm gonna be running asta though I'll experiment with relics, not sure whether getting more speed from ults or just getting more be on her for higher superbreaks would work well (believe only BE + level is counted to superbreaks)
Hybrid and Crit FF have already been calculated to deal worse damage. Break Firefly is clearly the way to go. If they wanted to let her be build as a hybrid dps, they would've gave her some free crit from traces or talent. Otherwise it's nigh impossible to hit her attack, speed and break breakpoint and still achieve a decent amount of crit. And even when built with crit, the crit damage only account for a very small portion and the majority is still on the break and superbreak
did u even read the pinned comment? people dislike Crit FF cuz it s too heavy on investment, it s simply unrealistic to spend so much investment on one unit just to make it useable, how are u going to balance ur stat if NONE of ur kit gave CRT benefit, splurge a huge amount of Fuel, time, jades and tought.
@@armandomaulana5458 Full BE build isn't gonna be much of a lower investment. Farming for FF to achieve 360 BE on her own is gonna be just as painful. To get 360 BE with HMC buff, is not much better either since you need both to have decently high BE.
@@silvalgalewalker503 none said she need to get 360 on her own? like i said above how are u gonna achieve 70/200 Crit stat when none of ur kit were built to achieve that? u gonna need high investment to achieve that.
and im sure of it, cuz im currently building Jingliu and still havent reach (168 currently) 200 CDMG yet (if only i win on her LC banner, but i had to use Aeon for now). even when i ve spent 30 fuel and a week of TB power. and that s with the help of her traces (31% CDMG). and remember that FF's LC has no CRT, and probably people gonna use Aeon or Clara LC, we could use Jingliu's if u want just for that 20%CDMG, assuming u have one.
now for FF's BE, u have 60% from ATK, 60% from Rope, and 60% from LC S1, and 36% from traces. 216% BE guaranteed. that s not counting BE from substat, which should be enough for 240 or even more (i got multiple 10-15% BE substat, some even sit at 20%).
HMC with 200% BE, wathmaker, and BE planar, could give around 90+%, FF should be 330% by now. with Ruan Mei u ll hit, 350%.
all these are assuming u have the worst luck, and lv10 skill including HMC. and 4 star LC for all other unit. and no dont use reason like i need Ruan Mei, when on CRTfly u need Sparkle Bronya Robin.
The idea is to make firefly a hybrid between break (360) and critc (everything you can get in artifacts). The break would come from supports, sets and passives. Could you include a third part of the video with the characters from the first part but with crit?
She has zero crit damage buff in her kit ,no matter how many crit you feed her ,she not gonna crit that why Sparkle here can't buff her because no crit to buff .she needs atk buff and be that why when Robin Ult ,FF does more damage because of her Ult has ATK buff .Crit has zero synergy with her .
To be honest, i think the best build for firefly is hybird, sure, its definitely harder, but, based on what i've seen, its safe to say balancing the two is the optimal build, Possible teams are, firefly,hmc,sparkle/robin,galagher, and i guess aim for 140cdm 50-60cr with 160-200 BE.
Now i conflicted. my RM now using Memory of the Past LC. And HTB using any 4* until i able to get other copy of Memory of the Past.
Im guarantee on character now, should i aim e1s1 FF or e0s1 FF and RM LC so i can give HTB Memory of the Past
If you are going for that RM LC actually gets more value being put on HMC and keeping Ruan Mei on Memories
You could also just give RM s5 meshing cogs and give TB your memories. RM still gets her full stat conversion
@@aznmuppet thanks for advice, i just hope that Memories also in the limited weapon banner since its been so long not appears, and maybe got one copy Memories while pulling FF LC
@@cybernetix4578 the problem is i using ERR rope, and without Memories LC i can't reach 180% BE
Her whole kit is scale with Break Effect so if you want strong Firefly with huge super break damage build her with BE, the problem her team comp so restricted make her not beginner friendly .Crit Firefly also good because make her do more damage consistently but less than BE damage ,the problem again you need Robin because she help FF scale ATK buff , Sparkle here literally only push FF only .
If Firefly's LC is BE then that means that is good for Xueyi, we already now have 4* LC with break effect from misha LC (I forgot what it's name)
Crit build might be best if you dont have Ruan Mei and have Sparkle. The versatility of Crit build as well is fine. Feels like Jingliu...
Yeah im coping because i dont have Ruan Mei
I think you should use ult firefly - skill - ult robin - firefly skill , that can make more dmg from crit build .
i will try to go full be but while trying to get at least 50cr, so i can also do some dmg while hitting
whats a good replacement for ruan mei on the firefly BE team? asides from HMC ofc
no real replacment for ruan mei in this specific team since it buffs break effeciency which is her entire mechanic, you can just use any buffer (robin/sparkle/bronya) if you dont have ruan mei
@@chillstudentI have all 3 😭😭😭
@@chillstudent does replacing ruan mei with asta works?
@@chitoseu yes and no, she can work since she will make use of firefly's weakness implant, but she can steal firefly's breaks which will make you lose alot of damage, so you will need to play around it and dont just spam skill unless high toughness bar
i personally prefer break because im tired of building crit based dps
i think the crit team is more saving turn so might be better for moc although not the highest dmg for ff
What would happen if we did mixed stats? ex: 50cr/170cd with 250 break effect
Not possible and u know it
the thing is, the optimal crit build is a mixed build(FF gains skill damage and def ignore from building break).
that's impossible
for non ruan mei havers, is E2 bronya with DDD a good enough alternative? qwq
Ruan mei is kinda a huge part for break teams
@@Singleplayr im saying this as a Non-Ruan Mei haver, would E2 Bronta suffice till i do get a ruan mei
@@chainsdean It's not ideal but since you're like me and don't have Ruan Mei, it's ok for now. Skill point management might be a bit harder but yeah it's fine
Please show us the builds?
people also have to keep in mind that the break team is getting damage from the rest of the team as well due to hmc. very impressive performance from crit.
Who is the best sustain for ff? Is it Gallagher? Huohuo? FX? Aven? Or someone else?
Gallager is the best choice here, but if you haven’t build him yet or having cc issue without gallager e2, then anyone just fine
@@nothingtoseehere9279 i have him with E3, and i have Aventurine and FX... Should i build him for ff or just use between the best 2 preservation?
In break team you usually want a sustain unit that match with your dps element so that you break faster
@@yutawirasena ohh ok, thx
breakfly rules for sure!
(my personal preference bc i like break effect builds)
ロビン花火よりも
ルアン2凸ブローニャとかの方が強そうだけどどうなの？
Bro the super break just deals so many damage
can you showcase crit without robin?
Try using mc in FUA team but make dps and robin break effect focus. I wonder if they just 0 cycle everything.
I don't have Ruan Mei or Gallagher.
Which ones do you recommend?
As E1S1 Ruan Mei haver, I can expect her rerun to come in 2.4, because in 2.3 we will have Huo Huo rerun and Argenti rerun.
Bronya to get more turns before ult ends
sparklez for same reason but easier sp management than bronya
asta for speed and sub breaker if with eidolons this is if you dont have bronya or sparklez
welts slow and march freeze
any healer or preservation but aventurine would be great.
@@irroyassin5999 according to leaks it's argenti and ruan mei, but those aren't always accurate and are subject to change
So what artifacts set we can use? The new set or any old sets we have?
theres going to be a new set for 2.3 that focuses on break
i dont have ruan mei , is ff still good?
should I build my E3 gallager for her?
Yes , he is her best sustain , he is totally wodth building for Firefly
5:10 i think u kinda misplayed, i would've used Firefly's E then Robin ult for another E but maybe it's just me but yeah they both seem pretty comfy i think ima run break tho
Lemme see that Harmony Trailblazer build. I want my superbreak to hurt like that lol
I like to think of super break teams as "Show Time" teams, because you do shit damage all the time untill it breaks, and when it happens, "It's Show Time"
would e2 DDD bronya a good alternative for non - Ruan mei havers?
I'd say no if you're running super break on her since they both do completely different things with bronya buffing crit whilst ruan mei buffs damage and break efficiency
@@sometreeonyoutube6882 yeahhbut wouldntt the 100% action advance be really good tho? specially for fireflys combustion state + another action advance from DDD
@@chainsdean yeah sure that might be another way to get around the same amount of break progress on the break bar but it pales in comparison to ruan mei's buffs since it goes team wide buffing all the team's break efficiency, that means the whole team shreds the toughness bar quicker. Honestly in all fairness you could deffinitely run bronya e2 DDD, i just dont think it'll be as powerful but deffinitely worth a try
@@sometreeonyoutube6882 i just cant rlly think of any Non-ruan mei alternatives, other than maybe Asta(mostly the speed buffs)
@@chainsdean well yeah ofc noone does what ruan mei does, thats why she's top tier
My main problem is: i dont have Ruan Mei LC and i have only 1 memories of the past LC... not even a S5 one
Can you please please test boothill with the new set in moc pretty please
Ok.....
Sorry for stupid question
So ff better break build or crit build ?
All she need is HMC and RM , without them she's nothing,so BE build
if you dont have ruan mei and didnt plan to build hmc, just go with hybird. or, you can wait for the v3 which is next week to see if firefly get any changes. all of us wish is that firefly have the same mechanic like boothill which is able to do they own super break so we dont have to be strictly pull / use ruan mei and hmc.
so fire fly can't dealt more damage than harmony main?
I wonder if Firefly will be a niche character as well as my Nilou....
I'm so sad cuz ppl r saying that firefly is mid compared to boothill is there anyway to do a fair comparison of the 2?
She will prob get buffed after he comes out
feel like because Sparkle is providing so many turns it keeps the numbers with Super Break
Personally I think both are viable, but break seems to be the more friendly F2P option
and then there's me, dropping the sustainer to make room for proper hybridization :D
Honestly break is better i think cuz i don't need to super invest just to deal roughly almost same dmg than break with low or mid investment.
I think doing robin ult then Firefly is better for the extra damage
do you think e6s5 FF can solve the problem? i mean we still can mix crit and break for FF. Is it possible? 😢and we have to wait for v2 and v3 even v4 in the future. Lets see what they are cooking with FF's kits
It's the opposite. E6S5 FF has even more weakness break efficiency so her break team will be far more powerful. All her eidolons directly buff her break and break efficiency, so it'll be impossible for crit to compare to break at that point. You'll always be much weaker playing crit on E6S5 than break.
@@seoryx6819 i got it, ty for replying. Gonna wait for more videos from you.
ehh idk they kinda fumbled firefly. Boothil looks more fun
Boothill doing better DMG and more easy to build,also BH without HMC and RM still doing great dmg
always was
@@OnionPiece.He follows the hunt path...obviously he would do more damage but only to single targets
i mean this is v1/v2, there will be multiple changes on her kit
Guys i have 40 wishes and no rate up I wonder if I can get firefly?
I think you can just play hybrid with mostly break core but crit-leaned relics on hotaru
thats what this crit build basically is
a full crit build with no break stats would just not do damage since her multipliers increase based off break effect
did hmc just do 212k?
break build seems more fun, and i have all 3 of the units available for it :D
The flat atk buff Firefly gets from Robin ult doesn't get converted into break effect by the way if you didn't know. Bronya is just better than Robin in crit FF.
Why though?
Why would you need BE for crit firefly anyway and nah robin is better than bronya
@@spinylightgamingIt just does not work. They decided to make it that way.
@@nothingtoseehere927930% def ignore in her talent. Robin better than Bronya? I don't know what to tell you. Bronya is able to give Firefly way more turns in complete combustion mode. It just gets even crazier with Firefly's E2 and Bronya's E2. I honestly wouldn't even play Robin with Firefly as of right now. Perhaps if the flat atk buff actually could convert into BE via her talent but it is not the case.
@@spinylightgaming atk doesn't affect BE ,so increase atk but BE dmg still the same , that's mean atk buff is useless for BE
could've been a 0 cycle in crit build if she pushed robin instead of firefly in sparkle's last action
Break build FF makes HMC mandatory
What an utterly redundant statement lol. That's like saying Crit builds need crit. Break build needs characters that buff break damage. Wow. What a revelation. What's next, you'll say Ruan Mei is really good for break teams?
RM is basically mandatory too
@@soulofalbedo not really, she can function without rm, if you put a spd buffer like asta/hanya you'd probably be fine
you're building firefly with atk/be/spd in mind anyway, rm would obviously help with all that but it's not like she's a gamechanger
if you're going break without hmc she probably is, but super break is busted enough on its own (+ the BE gain from hmc's eidolon)
Crit rate, attack; Blades set.
fire, break; Break set or crit set.
Firefly, Sparkle, Bronya and Asta.
blade's set is not that good for critfly because her enhanced abilities heal her. so out of 3 actions in the combustion state, only 2 keep the crit rate buff (unless you get hit which is still possible because of destruction natural taunt, but if you break the enemy they wont be able to hit you)
@@lyooothat's the kinda relic I already built for her she has high crit rate and high crit dmg and and over 110% break effect from substats she'll be fine plus I'll be getting more break effect over 200%
Should be using Pioneer set for crit imo. You get fire weakness implant on every enhanced skill which gives her the double stats and is a debuff, this then activates the 2p +12% dmg. Breaks apply an associated debuff, that makes 2, and then her LC applies another debuff for 3 to give you the maximum crit damage bonus.
rm replacement ?
So if I want to play Firefly, do I NEED to get Ruan Mei?
it will make her better in breakfly bec in most cases, a lot of team with ruan mei makes everything easier
if u want to save ur gems, u can build critfly instead
After watching Firefly's kit, I want Boothill even more now. TY
Can we get f2p team with asta, gallagher, hmc, firefly?
I wanna know too, I don't have ruan mei yet
@@chitoseu I actually found a showcase of this team on Reddit. It wasn't good. Like, at all. She took 9 cycles in an MOC with all fire weakness.... The gap between a-Ruan and Asta is crazy
@@kishmalatasneem6767 damn, do you know which character i should use when I don't have Ruan Mei yet? And which build should i go for?
@kishmalatasneem6767 I also found a showcase that showed that exact team 2 cycle The Past, Present, and Eternal Show MoC, of course she won't be as good as RM but it's not all doom and gloom without her
@@chitoseu pretty sure the team I mentioned is her best f2p team, but I'm not 100%
Oh , so super break can only be deal using harmony mc
E1S0 or E0S1 for Crit build?
Both
Answer to the title: Yes, if we have certain 5* characters.
However..
Break team needs less investment
Well, you could also say that break team need more investment, since the only stats that can increase your dmg is BE and speed, while with a crit build you can increase your dmg by a significant amount with flat atk, atk%, speed, crit rate and crit dmg . Either way, it’s still a farming hell. In one you need to farm perfect BE and speed relics, or in firefly’s case where she gets quite a lot of speed, perfect BE stats (like at least 3-4 rolls on BE in every piece), while the other one requires you to have Crit rate and crit dmg, and I don’t think I need to explain why farming these stats will make you lose your mind.
@@rin3484BE and SPD more easy to farm compare to cr/cd build😂
@@OnionPiece. It's easier compared to crit , but you still need high quality relics , you need a lot of farming and good rng for that , you can't just use pieces that has 1 BE rolls and call it a day
Both team clears in the same cycle. We still don't know what crit ratio she has since the person didn't show it to us but if both clears in the same cycle anyway, then just build full break since its way cheaper.
the builds are in the imgur link on the description
break build has 281% be, crit has 190% and 69/132 crit ratio
Eh, by the end of the day, you can only do a proper break team with Ruan Mei, so not everyone has Ruan Mei so they're better off using what they have and building CRIT.
New Best Meta: *Superbreak?*
Even if crit team could be a little better its harder to get and build, so if you dont have an amazing luck super break team is still thr way to go, i mean in a crit team you want 3 limited characters and build a good crit firefly its anoying af while in super break team you have firefly and Ruan Mei limited and 2 free units... Its not only more F2P friendly but easier to build you only need atk, speed and break effect...
So in conclusion i think for the majority of us who luck wont smile us for the relic rolls the way to go is super break team
Actually if you've been playing for a long time, at this point you would already have some good crit relic lying around. Like the usual people with genius relic set for all hypercarry. You just need to switch it from your main carry, no need to grind again from scratch.
Additionally, Robin isn't really necessary for hypercarry. Simply using Pela + Sparkle is good enough for crit build.
That way Firefly will still get the def penetration that could only be achieved with 250 BE and extra crit dmg.
Or Bronya would do, especially when people can redeem her from standard banner for free.
Asta + Hanya also could synergized with Firefly, so it really doesn't have to be 5★ limited. Crit build is just more flexible.
@@VyanTan i only have one good set for crit and its on my acheron who carry me trough one side of MoC so if i change it for firefly i end up in the same situation one good side and other that cant do shit, and acheron uses my pela, guinaifen or BS depending on the weakness of the enemy, so i cant put pela there, while i can farm the new planar and new set for her and build all for BE since its easier and even if it have lower dmg output i dont need to 0 cycle anything, with being able to clear MoC with all stars im ok
The problem with what you said is if you change your hyper carry set to another one you lose your hyper carry so whats the point, that vould work on SU but not on MoC where you need 2 functional teams and BE teams are great right now because of the Harmony MC, i was grinding for my xueyi to be in that team but my luck with relics sucks so i wont waste my time when we will get a better BE set, and the new planar looks amazing for super break teams
idk how super break calculates, w'll have to see but its just too damn strong as it turns everyone into dps.
I already have Xueyi's build so it's okay
Have crit set and break set simple answer. Just have both.
Fact
her kit can still change right??? this is not her final kit??
this is the v1 im guessing
The whole kit cannot change because how the Dev want her to become but the numbers can
Break is entirely her kit and is easier to build around that. And we’re given a free character to support Break and Super Break meta. Just focus Break on Firefly.