Why is a few extra FPS a flex 💪😂 .. like bro we peaked in Graphics we comparing FPS now ?? 😂 Sounds miserable if you ask me at this point we need way more games and not new hardware for an extra 20fps costing another $340 for that useless upgrade yearly just to flex 😮💨 I feel like games peaked in 2017 there's no more noticeable differences everything is look closely let me zoom in see this is better 👀😂
it should be a crime to put PC players with console players and I don't care about anyone's feelings or their YT channels and anyone who uses M&K on console is cheating plain and simple
Having the option of Mouse and keyboard is pro consumer. Not everyone is built the same, and may ergonomically strugle to use a controller. Also why would you willingly hamper your own options if there is a better option? Its a you problem, not cheating. @newmobile1455
This is one game and a lazy port worked by 6 devs for the pro version! Give it time the pro has only been out a week 😂 don’t forget this game was built from the ground up for Nvidia hardware! So it always going to have an advantage over AMD
Sony marketing understands that perception is reality when the customer lays down the cash. If the customer thinks they're getting a 4070 in that box, then bless their heart.
@@Nomadickiller LMAO did you even watch the video ? It is better than all your gaystations combined together. Nott only that, but a 90$ CPU like 11400F is matching the CPU in PS5. This is console generation more crap than a base iPhone.
Who ever said that? Sony never mentioned a 4070, but xbox fanboys are delusional thinking they had s beetroot console and all that power wasn't enough out sell thr base ps5 😂🤡
Now they are saying it doesn't matter it looks equal or fps count doesn't matter you can't tell once you get above 30. But they wanted more fps an wouldn't shut up about 60 fps 😂
its basicly 7700 xt 16gb version with a little less overclock . Comparable to 4070 in all areas ,but not ray tracing so it gets lower fps. thats the only reason.imo
This pro release has Sony fans losing the brain they have left. You can’t compare console version vs PC because the games are totally different. DF is setting Sony fans up for destruction and another Concord situation.
The reason why those cards were throttled was because no card with similar features AI/PSSR exist at that power level… which says a lot about that PS5 Pro…
This result is interesting, but not surprising if you realize that a gaming PC has 2 processors for 2 specific tasks, thus it already double the processing capability, and those processors are specialised for their tasks too.
Soon as somebody says that a console is as powerful as a PC, the conversation is done at that point. Because that person is limiting the versatility and flexibility of pc to just gaming which is not even a sizable fraction of what a PC’s power is measured by. To me if I mention the things I do on PC and that person says “But I don’t want to do all that” to me means that you should not mention or be making an argument for it. To me it’s like sayin “ Oh yeah I am much more powerful than him at lifting weights, when I cut off his right arm, and left leg, I beat him in lifting” And what’s sad is even with the arm and leg gone he still lifts as much or more than you. To me is the case with the argument of PC vs Console. I can only mention power of a pc as long as I don’t talk about the PC’s actual ability.
No one's saying the PS5 Pro can outperform the 4070. The 4070 alone during sale costs $676. No other parts, but just the GPU. I can guarantee you don't know anything about PC 😆 My GPU is on 6600XT, and my PC costs me around 1k in USD
@Mdroplets "No one is saying the ps5 pro can outperform the 4070" Oh my bad. It's just Reforge gaming, King thrash gaming and other ponies in the internet said it can beat a more powerful gpu in the 4090. So miss me with the lie. I'm sure you don't knoe shit how to properly build a pc when VG and other youtuber demonstrated a budget build that can obliterate the pro. Nice try, clown.
I heard that after the Digital Foundry video comparison, Amazon sold out paper tissues 😂😂😂😂 Walmart also sold out all kinds of papers that can wipe out tears😂😂😂
@VGFightSchool I told many of my co-workers. You guys are getting hype cause someone said it was going to be close to an RTX4070. I also told them to search for the difference between close performance and equal performance, cause you can't compare a console with a CPU that will hold back the console to a dedicated GPU with a good intel or amd CPU, you guys are going to be disappointed 😅😅
@@VGFightSchoolI own a PS5 Pro and a PC with a 4070. It is definetely not as good as my PC. Games run great on my PS5 Pro, don’t get me wrong, but it is not RTX 4070 level, nowhere near. RTX 4060 perhaps.
LinusTech thinks a 4070 is whats equivalent to a pro in one of his latest vids. I just shook my head. Tech guy shilling for Sony like DF. Its a 6800 (no xt) period.
The pro cant lock in 60 fps on heavy in performance mode even with a patch that game means game company hired the dev to changes graphic setting for the pro
ROFL. All this back and forth and no mention of the real main issue with the Pro. We can all agree that the CPU is ~5 years old. The CPU in a "new" "premium" console is so old. Newer games like AW2, Space Marine 2 and beyond coming out are gonna push that old CPU harder and harder and there is no compensation to resolve that except dropping render rez to the point that PSSR wont be able to compensate. Do you really think epic and unreal 5 and other game engines coming out in 2025/2026+ are going to sit back and say "the PS5 pro CPU is 6 years old lets nerf our game " when graphics enhancements are literally what sells games? The games that run best on the Pro are NOT CPU intensive games or games that rely on heavy usage of mesh shaders. Current new CPUs and GPUs are going to push the gaming fidelity going forward because current consoles are out of date. Do you really expect the gaming industry to stop because the consoles are 5 years in the past. The "new" "professional" console has no future proofing. Because only Sony is making upscaled PS4 games. And everyone else will make PC games that make consoles look worse and worse.
@TheFreeToaster it's pretty obvious what he's saying. Ill explain it for ya bud. He's pointing out the hypocrisy of calling the ps5 cpu old when many gamers use "old" tech themselves. That all he was saying.
This is in one game. The pro does great in most games. Plus the ps5 is cheaper than a 4070. I don’t think the pro needs to compete with pc… just with other consoles. And it’s kicking ass
I said a lot of times, the base PS5 is around a RX 6600, and the PS5 Pro is around a 6700 XT, and I say that because I had an RX 6600 with a Ryzen 5 3600 and compared my FPS with the FPS of a few analysts and generally my rig was on par, or sometimes a little better than the PS5, and now with a 7700XT and a Ryzen 7 5700XT is pretty clear that the performance of the PRO is lower in most games!
You can’t just compare Alan wake console/pc version and conclude “this machine is better than this other one but this percentage”. Alan wake is not exactly the epitome of optimization.
It actually is optimized well the only people who had problems were you pro users who thought the pro was godly device. If w game runs better I optimized on a PC it's perfectly fine. You don't even know what unoptimized means. Cyberpunk upon w Released was unoptimized. Alan wake was perfectly fine it was given a shit 40 fps mode because the PS5 pro was under powered with shit technology from 5 years ago the old CPU but instead you blame the devs? Why would the devs make this game specifically for PS5 old CPU when Sony could literally just use newer ones to keep up with newest games?
@@alvinamana1459 the hell are you talking about, I played Alan wake on pc. The Saga portions of the game are super heavy and run like ass, specially if you turn on ray tracing or path tracing.
Sony Interactive games on Steam say a RTX 2060 or RX 5700 is recommended. When Alex from DF stated it was like HIS 2080ti he also said his 2080ti is broken and down clocks for no reason.
Honestly a 3070 equivalent console for $700 is right on line with a pc that costs probably as much if not a little bit more, I am not that disappointed since the 3070 was a $400-$500 GPU when it first launched.
@@AssassinIsAfk "Honestly a 3070 equivalent console for $700 is right on line with a pc that costs probably as much if not a little bit more," No such animal exists. The PS5 pro is equal to a RTX 2060. It is junk.
People gotta realize every hardware is always obsolete compared to tomorrow. Yesterdays technology is different from today's technology. Advancements are gonna happen. Architecture hardware is always advancing. Consoles dont come out with new hardware every year like laptops, computers and cell phones and tvs. If anything everyone just should be happy on today's Advancements in tech in the gaming industry. It only gets better from here!
It's not on par with a 6800 at all. The RX6800 is 11% slower than a 4070 in raster. I'll give it the 6700XT at best, which is 38% slower according to the Techpowerup database.
Typical PS5 pro fanboy excuse. It actually is optimized for the console it's not optimized for the PC an runs better on PC. Trying using your brain for once instead of copying what another fanboy says. You don't even understand what unoptimized means.
@@NomadickillerI know he didn't outright say it, so it was probably harder for you to understand completely, but he's comparing it to a full PC with a 4090 gpu, not just the gpu itself. Hope that helps.
The Newer Console are very good lowend PCs(by today's standard sorry you had to find out this way but they are). That said there's a reason I have not bought a Console since the Xbox 360. That reason is Raw UNRESTRAINED Power!!! (plus I'm a grown man with grown man money lol I can buy the "bestest" toys!)
A week ago I would totally agree with you. An hour ago I would still agree with you. Hooked this bad boy up to my old Samsung MU6500 240 Hz refresh rate, and Voila, night and day difference all over.
@danamccann6259 It must be a 65" TV, or you're sitting too close. Under normal conditions, there's not much difference in picture quality until you turn on ray tracing mode, at which point you'll notice improvements in some titles. Performance mode also provides better FPS in certain games. Overall, it's a decent upgrade.
I swear the only time I hear shit like this is when I hop on TH-cam… I want a pro for better frame rates and a crisp picture that’s it… I’m not a PC gamer and I never will be… I mean shit the argument between consoles and PC has always been about better frame rates now that the pro is doing that it has turned into something completely different… this shit will never end. 🤦🏼♂️
Using Alan Wake 2 to test PS5 pro improvements, just when we know Remedy did a sloppy work to support consoles and non nVidia GPUs... and works on the basis of nVidia technology and exclusivity deals, yep, good job DF!
If some people claim that the 4070 is the PS5 Pro equivalent, then the only way to put THAT claim to the test is to equalize the settings as much as possible, then observe the results. It's really not controversial, nor unfair. That's why we test things. Now, that claim - however many people made it, or for whatever intent - has been disproven (as far as this particular game goes, anyway). That's all there is to it.
I have been saying it would be around the same performance as a 3060ti or 4060... I never believed it would be a 4070 level... AND I own the PS5 Pro and a gaming PC There were like 15 people world wide that believed it would match a 4070.... not even worth making a video about it
According to TechpowerUp the Pro is still RDNA 2.0 but 6nm. There's no infinity cache and no chiplet design. The RX7700XT and up are 5nm and I'm pretty sure that RDNA 4.0 will be 4nm or less. So what is the Pro GPU? The RX7600XT is 6nm. I may be wrong but maybe the Pro is some kind of Frankenstein RX7600XT with more CUs, Shader and a 256bit memory bus instead of 128bit. But still more similar to RDNA 2.0 with some Navi 33 tech fused into it. This would explain the performance.
These enhancements only enhance specific games and even then not to the same extent as a 4070. I got my 4070 for my birthday and am just enjoying cyberpunk in ways no other console will ever allow me to. All of PlayStations games are running out and just going to PC which we see will be better to play. The fact PlayStation is trying to get a game a year shows how out of touch they are. With their business model.
Looking to buy a 4070 my self getting my first pc love to know your setup how you play specifically single player games if you could get me a short guide
The PS5 Pro is still worth it for it's Price. It's actually more powerful than the base console, where it can finally run games at 60 FPS with their fidelity mode graphics. Stop lying to people. My PC with 6600 XT cost me around 1k+ in USD, and is best at 1080p 144hz - 180hz. Just the 4070 GPU alone cost around $600 USD on sale.
Keep bringing understanding VGF!!!!!!!!!!! You didn't make fun of anybody and simply stated facts!!!!!!!! Anyone who watched this full video and are rational and have common sense should get it!!! Even the beloved "Digital Foundry" told them. But I guess if it doesn't suit their narrative, they will be mad a Digital Foundry as well. You also said if you want the PRO then buy it. This was for the youtubers and anyone else who are being disingenuous and lying to people. Knowing some of them come to TH-cam to research those types of products to base a decision. Keep it up VGF!!!!!!!
Eh, I think the ps6 might be on par with a 4070ti super, I mean he'll the 8800xt which is gonna be around $500 will be on par with a 4080 super, I assume in 2027-2028 the 4070ti super will be on par with a ps6 since it lines up nicely with the current trend with technology, now wether the CPU is on par with a 7700x is a different matter.
The 4070, alone, draws more power than the entirety of the ps5 pro. We see desktop gpus crushing their laptop counterparts all the time, for example, the laptop 4090 vs the desktop 4080. The desktop 4080 performs around 50% faster than the laptop 4090, even though they have the same gpu. Power usage matters a lot. The ps5 pro was obviously not going to deliver the same performance as the 7800xt, which is probably what those 4070 claims came from. The PS5 does have better thermals and slightly more power draw than the average gaming laptop, so let's say the 7800xt was likely to be 30% faster than the ps5 pro. What gpus deliver those numbers? The 7800xt is 30%-40% faster than the 2080 ti and 3070. As you demonstrated in this video, the ps5 pro delivers a similar experience to those gpus.
We need to wait for games currently in development to be released before anyone can do a proper comparison between the PS5 pro and the RTX 4070 or the PS5 for that matter. There is only so much a game developer can do with a game that has already been developed to fully harness the PS5 pro processing power. It's is in the development stage that the game can be fully optimised for the PS5 pro. That being said, I still think it will be unlikely to be able to compete with the RTX 4070.
Fundamentally, the 4070 has 2 advantages over the pro: 1) CPU flexibility 2) NVIDIA's Tensor cores The Pro is built on AMD's architecture. As someone who is full-blooded team red, I can tell you this is AMD's weakest area in their technology. You don't have to wait for more games. Just go look up how a 4070 performs in whichever game you want and then see the Pro in action. Check its base resolution and FPS. You can almost predict the outcome each time.
@@VGFightSchool I'm not denying it. I even said it's unlikely to compete with the 4070 in my previous comment. I'm trying to say we need to wait for new games to come out before you can accurately make conclusion on how much of a difference it makes. The biggest drawback for the 4070 is not its raw processing power but is the OS which has to cater with a lot of other processing threads due the nature of PCs and it's ability to run a whole range of software applications other than for gaming. This why you get more percentile fluctuations on PCs compared to gaming consoles. This leads to more spiked bottlenecks in games and needing a greater raw processing power to play certain games. There is no point playing a game with a higher frame rate if you get thread bottleneck stutters every 20 seconds or so. Gaming consoles don't have so many threads running in the background due to them being limited to games only. This allows game developers being able to fully utilise the hardware in a more optimise way without having to take into account the overhead needed when programming for a PC or Mac. This is why I'm saying we need to wait for games currently in development to be released before making any conclusions.
Have you guys noticed that since the PS5 Pro's launch, DF hasn't made a single XSX comparison video? They've gone out of their way to compare PS5 Pro to PC, but won't dare make the content that is literally watched the most on their channel. Console versus videos where framerate and resolution are compared between multiplat games on both consoles. It's almost as if they have a mandate to avoid the comparison. They could have even included the XSX version here in this video but chose not to. Comparing those two consoles would be far more worthwhile than comparing a console that will never match a PC in any regard. They really want to avoid the "Wow, that 500 dollar console runs this game EXACTLY like the 700 dollar console does" comments. Let's count how long after the PS5 Pro's launch, it takes Sony to allow DF to make their console comparison videos again.
What yall PC heads don't get is that people are buying the ps5 pro for better performance, and we will be playing Ghost of yotei day 1... not years later. GTA VI day 1, not a year later.. Wolverine day 1, not years later.. yall keep waiting on games to brag about how much better they play after we be the game 3 years ago😂😂. The egg is always on yall face, not ours😂
@CaptainKipo-n6g ... Playstation exclusive is Playstation exclusive it won't be PC day and date. It failed Xbox why would they use the same failing strategy
@@jordangrant8612 i remembered back in the ps4 era, exclusives mean exclusives😂 but we all know Sony want pcmr money, and since most of them are boring walking simulators it doesn't matter when it'll come to pc😂
@那人冷靜一點 if they are so boring why are they selling millions on pc....? 🤣 you sound crazy.. meanwhile majority of PC guys play card games and COD... don't talk to me about boring😂🤣
@@jordangrant8612 because most console players don't have the hardware power to even play games so they sold millions on pc😂😂 better graphics better performance but still boring 😂
Mmm not so sure about "old tech". Smaller silicon more like. Honestly, I mostly play TFD with VRR, performance and RT on. PSSR does a great job. All I know is, it looks almost as good as my 3080ti and 7900xtx builds at ultra settings on a 4k gaming monitor and is just as smooth or better (actually much better than my 7900xtx with RT because of PSSR). I think you need to look at the experience as a whole. To me, the Pro is totally worth 959$ Canadian considering I bought that 3080ti ALONE for 2k during the pandemic LOL. Also, my point here is mostly, my experience is overall more stable with very similar framerates and graphics (99.9% of users dont lower the internal rendering resolution on their PC to try and match Sony and claim 43% gains). I love PC but, it's nowhere close in terms of $ per framerate looking at the total user experience. Overall, I'm glad I bought the Pro instead of building a 3rd PC for my living room and I would recommend it for someone who wants close to highend pc performance at an affordable price (provided the games he likes are on PS)
Alan wake 2 was made for PC, especially for mid-high end NV RTX 40 series GPU, not utilized the full power of XSX/PS5's APU. NV wants to sell their GPU for this type of the game. I run this game on XSX that generates way less heat than running Call of duty which is the very famous title to push XSX/PS5/PS4/PRO/XBOX1/X's APU power for being a third party title. But, XSX can still roughly match 6700xt's same settings performance for this game even its fan do less work while running this game.
Here PS5 pro owner. Consoles always behind even midrange PC its sad but true. But anyway Im happy with upgrade over base PS5. NOW picture quality way better in some games as well as other graphical settings And btw Alan Wake 2 is for sure pretty bad choice to measure PS5 pro capabilities this game optimisation is akward. Anyway it's pretty interesting that pro is almost on par with 20 TF 3070 😅
I'm a console and PC user, I don't know what you consider mid range because to me, even the 4070 is borderline low end or lower mid range today with the latest games, especially the unreal 5 ones. I used to have a 4090 and I remember playing Alan wake 2 with all the settings on max plus path tracing enabled and I have to use DLSS performance scaling to 4k and it could barely maintain 60FPS, in some areas it could drop to mid 50s!!...with a $1800 card....so these PC elitist are out of their mind.
@andresx791 Brah for most people in the World mid range now is 3060 or 3070. You're like very rich man probably You dont feel reality. There is no seane to argue. console its just mainstream budget box it doesn't matter how You comsider mid gen PC its just can't compete with
Sadly at least in LATAM you don't have many choices, I bought a ps5 pro for 950 dollars, but building a PC with similar specs is easily 1000+ on this market, heck, a 4070 alone on this region is almost 900 dollars 🥲
It’s as good as a 4070 just one game that is built front the ground up for a PC not console. I could say a 6700XT beats a 3080 in one game and vice versa I can say a 3070 beats a 6800XT by 45 percent in one game but does that make. Let’s wait till a little while and see if the 4070 will be 45 percent better in all comparisons because it won’t it will be less and then will tie and lose in some.
Imagine being so hurt by a console you go with a fake narrative ignoring that 90% of games looks crisp and clean and the only issues are with trash optimized games or nvidia sponsored ones because the devs are lazy the cope is real.
As a 4070 user , I couldn't give a crap. ✌️ Win or Lose I can always play all games @4k 60fps with dlss tweaks for 130w(max) amount of power. You can even pair it with a 450w psu if you undervolt it thoroughly...
The dumbest comparison is this RTX vs Pro debate. If money is a factor then folks should just stick to the platform where they have their libraries. The libraries are worth more than the hardware
The difference in Alan Wake 2 is overstated. It's one of the games where PS5 performs the worse. For instance, the 3070 is typically 20-30% faster than the regular PS5. In Alan Wake 2, it's 50% faster. If you extrapolate, that would make the 4070 around 15-20% faster than the Pro in general, not 43%. In Sony exclusives, the Pro will likely be faster than the 4070 and get close to a 4070S. It's all about the games and different optimizations, but yeah, in general, the 4070 will be a tier faster than the Pro. Nowhere near 43% but still faster.
Bro the 3080ti is a beast and we are supposed to be comparing the ps5 pro to it... Lets see how it goes tho... A youtuber already did a detailed comparison btw the ps5 pro and 3080ti with PlayStation ported titles...
also Consoles do not use the full RT Futures cause from what i saw and heard is that they use only Shadows and there was 1 more that i can't remember and i bet 100% that if u use RT Overdrive from CP 2077 on the Console it will die
@@VGFightSchool I know it's not the 4070's problem but it really doesn't matter what the problem is, as a player I'm looking for a good experience and it is buttery silky smooth on Pro so I'm better off playing there, same with plenty of other botched PC ports. Those are problems not even a 4090 will solve. So yeah, sometimes a Pro is a better thing to have than a 4070.
@NetshadeX Here's something to note. We can survive without playing video games. So, to say a PS5 pro is better than a 4090 or 4070 because a developer did not optimize their game is just not based in reality. You are purposefully handicapping the 4090/4070 for your claim to be true. Its like playing a one on one against MJ in his prime while he has an injury and claiming that in that 1v1 game you were the better player. You'll be laughed at. WHY? Because statistically, we have to measure your Basketball capabilities and achievements against his, of which you have no chance at that point. We also have to acknowledge that MJ had an injury preventing him from performing at his true capacity. The 4070/4090 vs PS5 pro are in a similar boat. If we did a 100 game test, those bad PC ports would be so negligible, the PS5 pro would be bodied so hard, the test would have to be stopped around the first 10 games.
@@VGFightSchool Base PS5 is the development/optimization baseline for the VAST majority of games because of customer install base . Not PC, Not Xbox. Sometimes devs push the PS5 just a tad too hard, like in Elden Ring. That's where the Pro shines. You're 100% of the time getting a solid performance out of the games that were designed around a lower spec machine. PC ports in the AAA market have been hit and miss, specifically in the last couple of years. Partially because of Unreal Engine 4 and 5. These engines simply work better on console because of unified memory. PC's are struggling because of the VRAM and system memory being split. THAT's the root cause of shader stutter. An issue that has plagued countless AAA releases. Of course PC will always be more powerful and offer better RT but let's be honest, console games these days aren't exactly ugly like back in the PS3 days. It's not like PSSR upscaled 4K at 60fps is a far inferior experience.
At this rate, the playstation console should catch up to the 4070 in at least two more generations. So 10 - 12 years minimum. And see another thing we all need you remember is the base ps5 started development right exactly when or maybe even before cards like the 2070 super were ALREADY out. So if sony fanboys really want to compete with pc then they need to pray to the sony gods to actually innovate a proprietary apu that will compete with cards and cpus at least 6 years in the future. Can we all sit here and agree sony will do that? It would take actual work and true innovation. So I don’t think so. They would rather ride the coattails of the true innovators like nvidia and amd and then package it as a sony innovation to sell to the fanboys.
consoles still CAN compete with PC, with the right hardware, no with a 4080, 4090 or even a 4070( which cost $500 alone) most people have PC hardware that is inferior that a PS5 pro
I remember PS5 generates around 230W power draw while running witcher 3 dynamic 4K 60FPS, this game PS5 power draw must be lower than 200W even 190W. DF should do more of these games that is heavily sponsored by Nv and cater for PC BOTS/Noobs. I have PC, PS5, XSX. I say this year is XGP's feast year, COD black ops6, flight simulator 2024, stalker 2, Indiana Jones and the Great Circle. Man there is no reason to buy PS5pro in this year to play enhanced old games.
Are people actually dumb ? Who actually believed that 4 Year old GPU inside PS5Pro will beat RTX 4070 ? Like what ?... RTX 4070 Alone draws more power then whole console. On top of that has Generations up on generations better A.I Tensor Cores then anything AMD ever made. Who do F are these people that spread this nonsense ?
alan wake 2 is a joke. way too hard to run with unnecessary amounts of ray traced effects. I'll wait 'til it's free on epic - maybe by then the hardware will have caught up enough to get reasonable performance out of the game.
4060 TI 16GB is the closest match. Due to Sony games eating vram and pssr being better than fsr and being better than the 7800 xt look at Linus Tech tips comparison
I guess no one is mentioning what cpu is paired with the 4070. Ps5 pro is a 10% bump to cpu frequency. What cpu was used in the head to head? Everyone keeps saying you can build a pc for the same price as the ps5, and then smoke the ps5. Maybe if you are upgrading your gpu, fine I'll give ya that. But a full pc build for $700 that's gonna perform better? I'm not buying it. People talk about 300fps, but don't mention what their settings are. Is it a match for what the ps5 pro is outputting? Resolution, lod, ray tracing, etc. The 4070 as a gpu is better than the ps5 pros gpu. I think p5 pro is for people who don't want to buy a pc, and like to be at the forefront of the newest tech. It's not mass market. Period. Who cares this much?
I think you have just proven the point that defeats the entire PS5 pro argument. You cannot change the CPU on the Pro but you can do so for a PC. The pro is stuck with any CPU intensive game, while the 4070 has an unfair advantage. Also: Have you tried putting together a PC for that price point to see?
All these videos come down to people trying to justify spending almost 300.00 more for a minor upgrade. I have all major consoles in my house and a gaming pc hooked up to my TV. My pc makes the consoles obsolete thanks to emulation and Steam/Epic. When more devs start releasing games on pc day one in the future, there would be no need for a console again. I get it. Consoles are somewhat more affordable. With the Pro, by the time you add the extra hardware, you can afford a mid level pc lol
It's crazy you even though the minor refresh was going to bump it that high. The 2070 max q was able to out perform the regular ps5. The pro is barely above the rdna two as said by the creators mark. How did you thing barely w refresh was ever going to get it close to a 4070 from a 2070 max q? This is exactly how PS5 pro fanboys think. Because it was tested because it was such a stupid idea it must be it's equal. Digital foundry only did this because PS5 pro tards were going crazy saying it's equal to a 4090 an now they are saying it's equal to a 50 series because a 50 series struggles to play triple A games at ultra settings maxed out 4k with ray tracing a path tracing while the pro literally struggles to play the same triple A games at 1080 medium resolution ray tracing which they just got an does this at barely 50 fps. An 90 percent of the time you have to turn off rac tracing because the pro can't even handle it an makes games sluggish. Seriously how did you ever even for a miliseond think like this?
No new video after the latest patch that improves perf and rt and pssr, rendering all your complaints even dumber? Unsurprising.
So it matches a 4070 now? Or you need me to do another video dunking on the PS5 pro vs 4070 fantasy.
It should be a crime to mention the RTX 4070 and any current gen console in the same sentence.
4070 is a beast. 3060 maybe
Why is a few extra FPS a flex 💪😂 .. like bro we peaked in Graphics we comparing FPS now ?? 😂 Sounds miserable if you ask me at this point we need way more games and not new hardware for an extra 20fps costing another $340 for that useless upgrade yearly just to flex 😮💨 I feel like games peaked in 2017 there's no more noticeable differences everything is look closely let me zoom in see this is better 👀😂
it should be a crime to put PC players with console players and I don't care about anyone's feelings or their YT channels and anyone who uses M&K on console is cheating plain and simple
Having the option of Mouse and keyboard is pro consumer. Not everyone is built the same, and may ergonomically strugle to use a controller. Also why would you willingly hamper your own options if there is a better option? Its a you problem, not cheating. @newmobile1455
This is one game and a lazy port worked by 6 devs for the pro version! Give it time the pro has only been out a week 😂 don’t forget this game was built from the ground up for Nvidia hardware! So it always going to have an advantage over AMD
Sony marketing understands that perception is reality when the customer lays down the cash. If the customer thinks they're getting a 4070 in that box, then bless their heart.
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I feel bad, Imma pray for those people that they arent mad enough to sue sony man✝️
I got a ps5 pro and getting a 5070ti im so blessed
PS5 PRO didnt even met my lowest expectation
Agreed. pissser is nowhere near DLSS lmao.
@@DragonOfTheMortalKombat you care comparing the new PSSR with the existing updated DLSS? you dumb or something?
@DragonOfTheMortalKombat how many updates has dlss had ? 15 how many pssr ? Ill wait ✋️
Why are people surprised that an RTX 4070 is faster? it better be for its price
Its only double the Tflops 'n all. I know Tflops don't tell the whole story but it's certainly part of it.
You can make it even better by overclocking it.
It's blasphemy to even imagine a console close to the 4070. More like a 3060 not super, ti, no..
Just a raw 3060 vs ps5 pro.
A part will never be better then a console
@@Nomadickiller LMAO did you even watch the video ? It is better than all your gaystations combined together. Nott only that, but a 90$ CPU like 11400F is matching the CPU in PS5. This is console generation more crap than a base iPhone.
Theres absolutely no way a 4070 and ps5 pro is close idk why people assumed this
Cheers bro. May gaming grow to new heights minus the fanboys. May consumers win together.
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DF also proved a 4 year old 3070 is 10% faster in AW2
The crazy thing is that at least is a good thing that ps5 pro is getting compared to pc that means PlayStation is doing good
I KNOW RIGHT!!!???? But all most folk want to hear is what they’ve been lied to about.
Do u really think .......SONY......was going to make a PlayStation equivalent to a 4070?😂,PlayStation fanboys are dreaming
Do u really think one part is better than a PS5? PC peasants are dreaming 😂 what is that one part gonna do compared to a whole system? 🤡
Who ever said that? Sony never mentioned a 4070, but xbox fanboys are delusional thinking they had s beetroot console and all that power wasn't enough out sell thr base ps5 😂🤡
@mdkgod43 was a sony youtuber that said that shit on a podcast, so go back to your stable pony 🐴
@@mdkgod43 we talking about sony fanboys not xbox 🤡why is it always bringing up xbox when we talking about sony bruh.
How would they make money if it was really that good?
Remember that time all the PlayStation fanboys said this would outperform a 4090 and make PC gaming obsolete?Pepperidge farm’s remembers.
Not one person ever said that lmao. Don’t be dumb.
Now they are saying it doesn't matter it looks equal or fps count doesn't matter you can't tell once you get above 30. But they wanted more fps an wouldn't shut up about 60 fps 😂
Add up the money people spent on the PS4, PS4 Pro, PS5 and PS5 Pro. Take that money and you would have an insane beast of a PC.
Rtx 4070 can do Cyberpunk 2077 in 1440p with path tracing, ps5 can't
With dlss quality and frame gen you can get 100-140fps
its a war crime restraining order worthy (being dramatic) to put a 4070 with crazy technologies against a ps5 pro
Very different technologies, Nvidia is so far ahead in raytracing and path tracing, AMD is trying to catch up.
its basicly 7700 xt 16gb version with a little less overclock . Comparable to 4070 in all areas ,but not ray tracing so it gets lower fps.
thats the only reason.imo
It's a Nvidia sponsored title. No surprise that it runs worse on AMD hardware.
This pro release has Sony fans losing the brain they have left. You can’t compare console version vs PC because the games are totally different. DF is setting Sony fans up for destruction and another Concord situation.
The reason why those cards were throttled was because no card with similar features AI/PSSR exist at that power level… which says a lot about that PS5 Pro…
This result is interesting, but not surprising if you realize that a gaming PC has 2 processors for 2 specific tasks, thus it already double the processing capability, and those processors are specialised for their tasks too.
Soon as somebody says that a console is as powerful as a PC, the conversation is done at that point. Because that person is limiting the versatility and flexibility of pc to just gaming which is not even a sizable fraction of what a PC’s power is measured by. To me if I mention the things I do on PC and that person says “But I don’t want to do all that” to me means that you should not mention or be making an argument for it. To me it’s like sayin “ Oh yeah I am much more powerful than him at lifting weights, when I cut off his right arm, and left leg, I beat him in lifting” And what’s sad is even with the arm and leg gone he still lifts as much or more than you. To me is the case with the argument of PC vs Console. I can only mention power of a pc as long as I don’t talk about the PC’s actual ability.
For someone that primarily games, nothing else matters
@@jose131991 I get that and that’s why I don’t understand why is the argument always about power
It's always fun to see Ps5 pro getting obliterated. Then see ponies convince themselves this scam of a console can outperform dedicated gpu in 4070.
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No one's saying the PS5 Pro can outperform the 4070. The 4070 alone during sale costs $676. No other parts, but just the GPU.
I can guarantee you don't know anything about PC 😆 My GPU is on 6600XT, and my PC costs me around 1k in USD
@Mdroplets how can a $599 msrp gpu get to $676 during sale😂and dude you're an idiot if you build a 6600xt for $1000🤣👉🤡
@@Mdroplets you can get a 4070s which is 20% faster than a 4070 for $599 on bestbuy🤣🤣
@Mdroplets "No one is saying the ps5 pro can outperform the 4070"
Oh my bad. It's just Reforge gaming, King thrash gaming and other ponies in the internet said it can beat a more powerful gpu in the 4090.
So miss me with the lie.
I'm sure you don't knoe shit how to properly build a pc when VG and other youtuber demonstrated a budget build that can obliterate the pro.
Nice try, clown.
I heard that after the Digital Foundry video comparison, Amazon sold out paper tissues 😂😂😂😂 Walmart also sold out all kinds of papers that can wipe out tears😂😂😂
oh boy!!! I think many level headed PS5 pro owners knew what they were buying. Some just got swept away with the hype.
@VGFightSchool I told many of my co-workers. You guys are getting hype cause someone said it was going to be close to an RTX4070. I also told them to search for the difference between close performance and equal performance, cause you can't compare a console with a CPU that will hold back the console to a dedicated GPU with a good intel or amd CPU, you guys are going to be disappointed 😅😅
@@VGFightSchoolI own a PS5 Pro and a PC with a 4070. It is definetely not as good as my PC. Games run great on my PS5 Pro, don’t get me wrong, but it is not RTX 4070 level, nowhere near. RTX 4060 perhaps.
LinusTech thinks a 4070 is whats equivalent to a pro in one of his latest vids. I just shook my head. Tech guy shilling for Sony like DF. Its a 6800 (no xt) period.
They did a great job building a better PC for the same price though if I recall right
@erelpc no they never they left out all the shipping prices and used second hand parts
@@Cranium1210 yep that is a great advantage to PC gaming, that you have the option of getting some of the parts second hand for an even better deal.
When df said the 4070 was a pro he said it would be a downclocked 4070 which makes sense .
The pro cant lock in 60 fps on heavy in performance mode even with a patch that game means game company hired the dev to changes graphic setting for the pro
700 bucks and still can’t get a stable 60 frames
I'm satisfied with my pro and my msi rtx 4080
ROFL.
All this back and forth and no mention of the real main issue with the Pro.
We can all agree that the CPU is ~5 years old.
The CPU in a "new" "premium" console is so old.
Newer games like AW2, Space Marine 2 and beyond coming out are gonna push that old CPU harder and harder and there is no compensation to resolve that except dropping render rez to the point that PSSR wont be able to compensate.
Do you really think epic and unreal 5 and other game engines coming out in 2025/2026+ are going to sit back and say "the PS5 pro CPU is 6 years old lets nerf our game " when graphics enhancements are literally what sells games?
The games that run best on the Pro are NOT CPU intensive games or games that rely on heavy usage of mesh shaders.
Current new CPUs and GPUs are going to push the gaming fidelity going forward because current consoles are out of date.
Do you really expect the gaming industry to stop because the consoles are 5 years in the past.
The "new" "professional" console has no future proofing. Because only Sony is making upscaled PS4 games. And everyone else will make PC games that make consoles look worse and worse.
And we haven't even started. Lol
most PC gamers use old tech Ryzen 5 or 7 and Intel equivalent cards they use 6700 3050 3070
@@newmobile1455 Even the cheapest i5 and ryzen 5 that cost below 100$ are better than PS 5 CPU lol. My laptop's 5600h is better than PS5 CPU.
@@newmobile1455 what do you think your comment is saying exactly?
@TheFreeToaster it's pretty obvious what he's saying. Ill explain it for ya bud. He's pointing out the hypocrisy of calling the ps5 cpu old when many gamers use "old" tech themselves. That all he was saying.
This is in one game. The pro does great in most games. Plus the ps5 is cheaper than a 4070. I don’t think the pro needs to compete with pc… just with other consoles. And it’s kicking ass
I said a lot of times, the base PS5 is around a RX 6600, and the PS5 Pro is around a 6700 XT, and I say that because I had an RX 6600 with a Ryzen 5 3600 and compared my FPS with the FPS of a few analysts and generally my rig was on par, or sometimes a little better than the PS5, and now with a 7700XT and a Ryzen 7 5700XT is pretty clear that the performance of the PRO is lower in most games!
You can’t just compare Alan wake console/pc version and conclude “this machine is better than this other one but this percentage”.
Alan wake is not exactly the epitome of optimization.
Ok. state the game. Let's investigate. The title clearly says Alan Wake 2.
It actually is optimized well the only people who had problems were you pro users who thought the pro was godly device. If w game runs better I optimized on a PC it's perfectly fine. You don't even know what unoptimized means. Cyberpunk upon w
Released was unoptimized. Alan wake was perfectly fine it was given a shit 40 fps mode because the PS5 pro was under powered with shit technology from 5 years ago the old CPU but instead you blame the devs? Why would the devs make this game specifically for PS5 old CPU when Sony could literally just use newer ones to keep up with newest games?
@@alvinamana1459 the hell are you talking about, I played Alan wake on pc. The Saga portions of the game are super heavy and run like ass, specially if you turn on ray tracing or path tracing.
Base PS5 has like 2070 Super equivalent, while PS5 Pro is just 2080 Ti. This is a huge scam from Sony.
Sony Interactive games on Steam say a RTX 2060 or RX 5700 is recommended. When Alex from DF stated it was like HIS 2080ti he also said his 2080ti is broken and down clocks for no reason.
I can beat a ps5 pro with a 5600xt, i just need to upscale and use amd fluid motion 2. Done !!!
@@TurboD16z6 yeah sure.....
Honestly a 3070 equivalent console for $700 is right on line with a pc that costs probably as much if not a little bit more, I am not that disappointed since the 3070 was a $400-$500 GPU when it first launched.
@@AssassinIsAfk "Honestly a 3070 equivalent console for $700 is right on line with a pc that costs probably as much if not a little bit more,"
No such animal exists. The PS5 pro is equal to a RTX 2060. It is junk.
People gotta realize every hardware is always obsolete compared to tomorrow. Yesterdays technology is different from today's technology. Advancements are gonna happen. Architecture hardware is always advancing. Consoles dont come out with new hardware every year like laptops, computers and cell phones and tvs. If anything everyone just should be happy on today's Advancements in tech in the gaming industry. It only gets better from here!
PCMR: lol console wars
PCMR: PLATFORM WARSSSSSSSS
It's not on par with a 6800 at all. The RX6800 is 11% slower than a 4070 in raster. I'll give it the 6700XT at best, which is 38% slower according to the Techpowerup database.
its..look at the specs, but there is no confirmation that is based on the 6800, it could based on the 7700xt or 7800xt
4060ti maybe?
i bought my 4070 $400 from a friend he upgraded last year and im very happy with it wont have to worry about upgrading for the next 10+ years
Alan wake is an unoptimized.
Typical PS5 pro fanboy excuse. It actually is optimized for the console it's not optimized for the PC an runs better on PC. Trying using your brain for once instead of copying what another fanboy says. You don't even understand what unoptimized means.
My 4070 eats the PS5 “pro” for breakfast!
Just did my react. Good video bro. Been telling people for months.
You have to wait for the PlayStation 6 to match the RTX 4070.
And then there's me with the RTX 4090 which is probably equal to a PlayStation 10 😂
Dude imagine comparing a graphics card to a console 💀 that graphics card won't work on its own so that means that system will still win 😂
@@NomadickillerI know he didn't outright say it, so it was probably harder for you to understand completely, but he's comparing it to a full PC with a 4090 gpu, not just the gpu itself.
Hope that helps.
The Newer Console are very good lowend PCs(by today's standard sorry you had to find out this way but they are). That said there's a reason I have not bought a Console since the Xbox 360. That reason is Raw UNRESTRAINED Power!!! (plus I'm a grown man with grown man money lol I can buy the "bestest" toys!)
Ps5 pro is just a waste of money if u own a ps5 and the pro is nowhere close to being worth 700
A week ago I would totally agree with you. An hour ago I would still agree with you. Hooked this bad boy up to my old Samsung MU6500 240 Hz refresh rate, and Voila, night and day difference all over.
@ subjective but if u like it u like it
@danamccann6259 It must be a 65" TV, or you're sitting too close. Under normal conditions, there's not much difference in picture quality until you turn on ray tracing mode, at which point you'll notice improvements in some titles. Performance mode also provides better FPS in certain games. Overall, it's a decent upgrade.
Can you imagine the price of the pro if it had a 4070 equivalent GPU in it?
I swear the only time I hear shit like this is when I hop on TH-cam… I want a pro for better frame rates and a crisp picture that’s it… I’m not a PC gamer and I never will be… I mean shit the argument between consoles and PC has always been about better frame rates now that the pro is doing that it has turned into something completely different… this shit will never end. 🤦🏼♂️
Better framerates at a higher base resolution.
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Facts. I’m enjoying my pro and I’ll never be a pc gamer
Facts. Not spending thousands for a PC I have put together and program and all that other ish just play games. Never understood it.
Using Alan Wake 2 to test PS5 pro improvements, just when we know Remedy did a sloppy work to support consoles and non nVidia GPUs... and works on the basis of nVidia technology and exclusivity deals, yep, good job DF!
If some people claim that the 4070 is the PS5 Pro equivalent, then the only way to put THAT claim to the test is to equalize the settings as much as possible, then observe the results. It's really not controversial, nor unfair.
That's why we test things. Now, that claim - however many people made it, or for whatever intent - has been disproven (as far as this particular game goes, anyway). That's all there is to it.
The other thing is that DLSS upscaling is way better than PSSR too.
yeah
Oh man... Any of the PS5 Pro buyers is highly capable of buying a high end pc... Let that sink in... In fact most of them already have one.
So basically it's performing just like a rtx 3060 would 😂😂😂 RIP PS5 pro
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The funny fact is lowest rt settings on pc is higher than ps5 pro version so add another 10% to real diffrence
Alan Wake 2 is very heavy on the CPU and Zen 2 ain't cutting it.
I have been saying it would be around the same performance as a 3060ti or 4060... I never believed it would be a 4070 level... AND I own the PS5 Pro and a gaming PC
There were like 15 people world wide that believed it would match a 4070.... not even worth making a video about it
The PS5 Pro doesn't even match Sony's own marketing, much less the hype surrounding it!
According to TechpowerUp the Pro is still RDNA 2.0 but 6nm. There's no infinity cache and no chiplet design. The RX7700XT and up are 5nm and I'm pretty sure that RDNA 4.0 will be 4nm or less. So what is the Pro GPU? The RX7600XT is 6nm. I may be wrong but maybe the Pro is some kind of Frankenstein RX7600XT with more CUs, Shader and a 256bit memory bus instead of 128bit. But still more similar to RDNA 2.0 with some Navi 33 tech fused into it. This would explain the performance.
A mobile 4070 beats a ps5 pro
These enhancements only enhance specific games and even then not to the same extent as a 4070. I got my 4070 for my birthday and am just enjoying cyberpunk in ways no other console will ever allow me to. All of PlayStations games are running out and just going to PC which we see will be better to play.
The fact PlayStation is trying to get a game a year shows how out of touch they are. With their business model.
Looking to buy a 4070 my self getting my first pc love to know your setup how you play specifically single player games if you could get me a short guide
The PS5 Pro is still worth it for it's Price. It's actually more powerful than the base console, where it can finally run games at 60 FPS with their fidelity mode graphics.
Stop lying to people. My PC with 6600 XT cost me around 1k+ in USD, and is best at 1080p 144hz - 180hz. Just the 4070 GPU alone cost around $600 USD on sale.
Keep bringing understanding VGF!!!!!!!!!!! You didn't make fun of anybody and simply stated facts!!!!!!!! Anyone who watched this full video and are rational and have common sense should get it!!! Even the beloved "Digital Foundry" told them. But I guess if it doesn't suit their narrative, they will be mad a Digital Foundry as well. You also said if you want the PRO then buy it. This was for the youtubers and anyone else who are being disingenuous and lying to people. Knowing some of them come to TH-cam to research those types of products to base a decision. Keep it up VGF!!!!!!!
now imagine RTX 5070... may be RTX 5060 is going to be a PS5 PRO killer...
they can't even beat 4 year old mid range and new cards are coming to mock them even more
yes my rtx4070ti super will destroy even a ps6 but why are we comparing a 2000 dollar pc build to a 700 dollar home console
Eh, I think the ps6 might be on par with a 4070ti super, I mean he'll the 8800xt which is gonna be around $500 will be on par with a 4080 super, I assume in 2027-2028 the 4070ti super will be on par with a ps6 since it lines up nicely with the current trend with technology, now wether the CPU is on par with a 7700x is a different matter.
The 4070, alone, draws more power than the entirety of the ps5 pro. We see desktop gpus crushing their laptop counterparts all the time, for example, the laptop 4090 vs the desktop 4080. The desktop 4080 performs around 50% faster than the laptop 4090, even though they have the same gpu. Power usage matters a lot. The ps5 pro was obviously not going to deliver the same performance as the 7800xt, which is probably what those 4070 claims came from. The PS5 does have better thermals and slightly more power draw than the average gaming laptop, so let's say the 7800xt was likely to be 30% faster than the ps5 pro. What gpus deliver those numbers? The 7800xt is 30%-40% faster than the 2080 ti and 3070. As you demonstrated in this video, the ps5 pro delivers a similar experience to those gpus.
Same. I’m a gamer of 20 + years……..I have a PS5 Pro & im enjoying the hell out of it. IDGAF but at the end of the day we all win.
We need to wait for games currently in development to be released before anyone can do a proper comparison between the PS5 pro and the RTX 4070 or the PS5 for that matter. There is only so much a game developer can do with a game that has already been developed to fully harness the PS5 pro processing power. It's is in the development stage that the game can be fully optimised for the PS5 pro. That being said, I still think it will be unlikely to be able to compete with the RTX 4070.
Fundamentally, the 4070 has 2 advantages over the pro:
1) CPU flexibility
2) NVIDIA's Tensor cores
The Pro is built on AMD's architecture. As someone who is full-blooded team red, I can tell you this is AMD's weakest area in their technology. You don't have to wait for more games.
Just go look up how a 4070 performs in whichever game you want and then see the Pro in action. Check its base resolution and FPS. You can almost predict the outcome each time.
@@VGFightSchool I'm not denying it. I even said it's unlikely to compete with the 4070 in my previous comment. I'm trying to say we need to wait for new games to come out before you can accurately make conclusion on how much of a difference it makes. The biggest drawback for the 4070 is not its raw processing power but is the OS which has to cater with a lot of other processing threads due the nature of PCs and it's ability to run a whole range of software applications other than for gaming. This why you get more percentile fluctuations on PCs compared to gaming consoles. This leads to more spiked bottlenecks in games and needing a greater raw processing power to play certain games. There is no point playing a game with a higher frame rate if you get thread bottleneck stutters every 20 seconds or so. Gaming consoles don't have so many threads running in the background due to them being limited to games only. This allows game developers being able to fully utilise the hardware in a more optimise way without having to take into account the overhead needed when programming for a PC or Mac. This is why I'm saying we need to wait for games currently in development to be released before making any conclusions.
@@PanacheConnection We aren't waiting. The 4070 is already outdated. lol
Have you guys noticed that since the PS5 Pro's launch, DF hasn't made a single XSX comparison video?
They've gone out of their way to compare PS5 Pro to PC, but won't dare make the content that is literally watched the most on their channel.
Console versus videos where framerate and resolution are compared between multiplat games on both consoles.
It's almost as if they have a mandate to avoid the comparison.
They could have even included the XSX version here in this video but chose not to.
Comparing those two consoles would be far more worthwhile than comparing a console that will never match a PC in any regard.
They really want to avoid the "Wow, that 500 dollar console runs this game EXACTLY like the 700 dollar console does" comments.
Let's count how long after the PS5 Pro's launch, it takes Sony to allow DF to make their console comparison videos again.
Yeah I have been telling everyone ps5 pro is not a 4070 and yet they think is gonna run games at 8k
Ps5 pro is a scam. Ps5 pro is only for people who never owned any console before. Wait until the ps6 hits the market.
What yall PC heads don't get is that people are buying the ps5 pro for better performance, and we will be playing Ghost of yotei day 1... not years later. GTA VI day 1, not a year later.. Wolverine day 1, not years later.. yall keep waiting on games to brag about how much better they play after we be the game 3 years ago😂😂. The egg is always on yall face, not ours😂
Dude. In this day and age, there is no guarantee that those games will be Playstation exclusive.
@CaptainKipo-n6g ... Playstation exclusive is Playstation exclusive it won't be PC day and date. It failed Xbox why would they use the same failing strategy
@@jordangrant8612 i remembered back in the ps4 era, exclusives mean exclusives😂 but we all know Sony want pcmr money, and since most of them are boring walking simulators it doesn't matter when it'll come to pc😂
@那人冷靜一點 if they are so boring why are they selling millions on pc....? 🤣 you sound crazy.. meanwhile majority of PC guys play card games and COD... don't talk to me about boring😂🤣
@@jordangrant8612 because most console players don't have the hardware power to even play games so they sold millions on pc😂😂 better graphics better performance but still boring 😂
Mmm not so sure about "old tech". Smaller silicon more like. Honestly, I mostly play TFD with VRR, performance and RT on. PSSR does a great job. All I know is, it looks almost as good as my 3080ti and 7900xtx builds at ultra settings on a 4k gaming monitor and is just as smooth or better (actually much better than my 7900xtx with RT because of PSSR). I think you need to look at the experience as a whole. To me, the Pro is totally worth 959$ Canadian considering I bought that 3080ti ALONE for 2k during the pandemic LOL.
Also, my point here is mostly, my experience is overall more stable with very similar framerates and graphics (99.9% of users dont lower the internal rendering resolution on their PC to try and match Sony and claim 43% gains). I love PC but, it's nowhere close in terms of $ per framerate looking at the total user experience. Overall, I'm glad I bought the Pro instead of building a 3rd PC for my living room and I would recommend it for someone who wants close to highend pc performance at an affordable price (provided the games he likes are on PS)
Alan wake 2 was made for PC, especially for mid-high end NV RTX 40 series GPU, not utilized the full power of XSX/PS5's APU. NV wants to sell their GPU for this type of the game. I run this game on XSX that generates way less heat than running Call of duty which is the very famous title to push XSX/PS5/PS4/PRO/XBOX1/X's APU power for being a third party title. But, XSX can still roughly match 6700xt's same settings performance for this game even its fan do less work while running this game.
Here PS5 pro owner. Consoles always behind even midrange PC its sad but true. But anyway Im happy with upgrade over base PS5. NOW picture quality way better in some games as well as other graphical settings And btw Alan Wake 2 is for sure pretty bad choice to measure PS5 pro capabilities this game optimisation is akward. Anyway it's pretty interesting that pro is almost on par with 20 TF 3070 😅
I'm a console and PC user, I don't know what you consider mid range because to me, even the 4070 is borderline low end or lower mid range today with the latest games, especially the unreal 5 ones. I used to have a 4090 and I remember playing Alan wake 2 with all the settings on max plus path tracing enabled and I have to use DLSS performance scaling to 4k and it could barely maintain 60FPS, in some areas it could drop to mid 50s!!...with a $1800 card....so these PC elitist are out of their mind.
@andresx791 Brah for most people in the World mid range now is 3060 or 3070. You're like very rich man probably You dont feel reality. There is no seane to argue. console its just mainstream budget box it doesn't matter how You comsider mid gen PC its just can't compete with
I have the pro and I promise every game is the same on Series X
BULLSHYT!!!!! the lies you people tell like there's not TH-cam videos showing the difference, you people are WEIRDOS
Yea,facts,not ANY difference but shrubbery that's not even close enough to even see
Sadly at least in LATAM you don't have many choices, I bought a ps5 pro for 950 dollars, but building a PC with similar specs is easily 1000+ on this market, heck, a 4070 alone on this region is almost 900 dollars 🥲
Why people are saying dum things like this a 4080 ti is much better then a ps5 pro these pony's are sad as fk 😂😂😂
It’s as good as a 4070 just one game that is built front the ground up for a PC not console.
I could say a 6700XT beats a 3080 in one game and vice versa I can say a 3070 beats a 6800XT by 45 percent in one game but does that make.
Let’s wait till a little while and see if the 4070 will be 45 percent better in all comparisons because it won’t it will be less and then will tie and lose in some.
Imagine being so hurt by a console you go with a fake narrative ignoring that 90% of games looks crisp and clean and the only issues are with trash optimized games or nvidia sponsored ones because the devs are lazy the cope is real.
The ps5pro is a 3060ti😂 and even a 3060 can look as clean and crisp as a 4090, just at 1/5 the frame rate😂
@@那人冷靜一點 Continue to lie and cope can't wait for gta 6 to release for all of you clowns to cope and cry harder
As a 4070 user , I couldn't give a crap. ✌️
Win or Lose I can always play all games @4k 60fps with dlss tweaks for 130w(max) amount of power. You can even pair it with a 450w psu if you undervolt it thoroughly...
Agreed but its just stupid for a console to be compared to a 1440p nvidia gpu like the 4070
The dumbest comparison is this RTX vs Pro debate. If money is a factor then folks should just stick to the platform where they have their libraries. The libraries are worth more than the hardware
I'd say the ps5 pro probably more like a rx6800. As the pro is just slightly faster than the series x which is equivalent to a rx6700xt.
Excellent work my guy... got em again 🤪
That card costs 629 euros on amazon right now, here in Portugal! It has to be much better than a ps5 pro! Right?
The difference in Alan Wake 2 is overstated. It's one of the games where PS5 performs the worse. For instance, the 3070 is typically 20-30% faster than the regular PS5. In Alan Wake 2, it's 50% faster. If you extrapolate, that would make the 4070 around 15-20% faster than the Pro in general, not 43%. In Sony exclusives, the Pro will likely be faster than the 4070 and get close to a 4070S.
It's all about the games and different optimizations, but yeah, in general, the 4070 will be a tier faster than the Pro. Nowhere near 43% but still faster.
A 3070 is 53% faster than a 2070, so a 3070 being 50% faster than a base ps5 is pretty accurate 😂
@@那人冷靜一點 The PS5 is usually on par with a 2070S though, not a 2070.
Bro the 3080ti is a beast and we are supposed to be comparing the ps5 pro to it... Lets see how it goes tho... A youtuber already did a detailed comparison btw the ps5 pro and 3080ti with PlayStation ported titles...
also Consoles do not use the full RT Futures cause from what i saw and heard is that they use only Shadows and there was 1 more that i can't remember and i bet 100% that if u use RT Overdrive from CP 2077 on the Console it will die
Damn I basically own the PS6 Pro with my 4080 Super ! 🤣
Let's see your 4070 run Hogwarts Legacy without shader- and traversal stutter...let's see it.
That’s the game’s problem, not the hardware. You say it as if it’s an own.
@@VGFightSchool I know it's not the 4070's problem but it really doesn't matter what the problem is, as a player I'm looking for a good experience and it is buttery silky smooth on Pro so I'm better off playing there, same with plenty of other botched PC ports. Those are problems not even a 4090 will solve. So yeah, sometimes a Pro is a better thing to have than a 4070.
@NetshadeX Here's something to note. We can survive without playing video games.
So, to say a PS5 pro is better than a 4090 or 4070 because a developer did not optimize their game is just not based in reality.
You are purposefully handicapping the 4090/4070 for your claim to be true.
Its like playing a one on one against MJ in his prime while he has an injury and claiming that in that 1v1 game you were the better player.
You'll be laughed at. WHY?
Because statistically, we have to measure your Basketball capabilities and achievements against his, of which you have no chance at that point.
We also have to acknowledge that MJ had an injury preventing him from performing at his true capacity.
The 4070/4090 vs PS5 pro are in a similar boat.
If we did a 100 game test, those bad PC ports would be so negligible, the PS5 pro would be bodied so hard, the test would have to be stopped around the first 10 games.
@@VGFightSchool Base PS5 is the development/optimization baseline for the VAST majority of games because of customer install base . Not PC, Not Xbox. Sometimes devs push the PS5 just a tad too hard, like in Elden Ring. That's where the Pro shines. You're 100% of the time getting a solid performance out of the games that were designed around a lower spec machine. PC ports in the AAA market have been hit and miss, specifically in the last couple of years. Partially because of Unreal Engine 4 and 5. These engines simply work better on console because of unified memory. PC's are struggling because of the VRAM and system memory being split. THAT's the root cause of shader stutter. An issue that has plagued countless AAA releases. Of course PC will always be more powerful and offer better RT but let's be honest, console games these days aren't exactly ugly like back in the PS3 days. It's not like PSSR upscaled 4K at 60fps is a far inferior experience.
To be fair is that 4070 paired with a zen 2 cpu ?
Nothing Pro consumer about the PS5 Pro!
Alen stays sleeping on the ps5 pro😂
At this rate, the playstation console should catch up to the 4070 in at least two more generations. So 10 - 12 years minimum. And see another thing we all need you remember is the base ps5 started development right exactly when or maybe even before cards like the 2070 super were ALREADY out. So if sony fanboys really want to compete with pc then they need to pray to the sony gods to actually innovate a proprietary apu that will compete with cards and cpus at least 6 years in the future. Can we all sit here and agree sony will do that? It would take actual work and true innovation. So I don’t think so. They would rather ride the coattails of the true innovators like nvidia and amd and then package it as a sony innovation to sell to the fanboys.
That going to cost them a lot of money for sony to make amd make a ultra high end apu
consoles still CAN compete with PC, with the right hardware, no with a 4080, 4090 or even a 4070( which cost $500 alone) most people have PC hardware that is inferior that a PS5 pro
@ except those people with inferior hardware are upgrading their PC for the same amount of money rather than get the pro
@andresx791 my dude people have a rtx 3060 and they can upgrade thier pc like how you uprgade your ps5 to pro to buy a rtx 3070 or 4070
I remember PS5 generates around 230W power draw while running witcher 3 dynamic 4K 60FPS, this game PS5 power draw must be lower than 200W even 190W. DF should do more of these games that is heavily sponsored by Nv and cater for PC BOTS/Noobs.
I have PC, PS5, XSX. I say this year is XGP's feast year, COD black ops6, flight simulator 2024, stalker 2, Indiana Jones and the Great Circle. Man there is no reason to buy PS5pro in this year to play enhanced old games.
How are them loading and installing times. They better be on point for that price. For that price, it better just start playing like on the PS3 SMDH
Are people actually dumb ? Who actually believed that 4 Year old GPU inside PS5Pro will beat RTX 4070 ? Like what ?... RTX 4070 Alone draws more power then whole console. On top of that has Generations up on generations better A.I Tensor Cores then anything AMD ever made. Who do F are these people that spread this nonsense ?
alan wake 2 is a joke. way too hard to run with unnecessary amounts of ray traced effects. I'll wait 'til it's free on epic - maybe by then the hardware will have caught up enough to get reasonable performance out of the game.
Miles Morales skipped and dropped frames at 4:58 again at 7:49 and 9:51,same frame dropping and jumpy gameplay as PS5
4060 TI 16GB is the closest match. Due to Sony games eating vram and pssr being better than fsr and being better than the 7800 xt look at Linus Tech tips comparison
I guess no one is mentioning what cpu is paired with the 4070. Ps5 pro is a 10% bump to cpu frequency. What cpu was used in the head to head? Everyone keeps saying you can build a pc for the same price as the ps5, and then smoke the ps5. Maybe if you are upgrading your gpu, fine I'll give ya that. But a full pc build for $700 that's gonna perform better? I'm not buying it. People talk about 300fps, but don't mention what their settings are. Is it a match for what the ps5 pro is outputting? Resolution, lod, ray tracing, etc. The 4070 as a gpu is better than the ps5 pros gpu. I think p5 pro is for people who don't want to buy a pc, and like to be at the forefront of the newest tech. It's not mass market. Period. Who cares this much?
I think you have just proven the point that defeats the entire PS5 pro argument.
You cannot change the CPU on the Pro but you can do so for a PC. The pro is stuck with any CPU intensive game, while the 4070 has an unfair advantage.
Also:
Have you tried putting together a PC for that price point to see?
And they never use AMD GPUs equivalent that's supposed to be RX 6800 in the Playstation 5 pro
can't really use 6800 cause it can't handle rt, but it will most likely match the low end of the new release by amd
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Old 1070 8gb can play latest games at 1440p 50%-75% settings 1200p 60%-90% settings depends on game then 4070 is way faster
DF takks about FEATURE PARITY and the console guys went with the Power narrative. They just dont listen that well or understand what was said.
All these videos come down to people trying to justify spending almost 300.00 more for a minor upgrade. I have all major consoles in my house and a gaming pc hooked up to my TV. My pc makes the consoles obsolete thanks to emulation and Steam/Epic. When more devs start releasing games on pc day one in the future, there would be no need for a console again.
I get it. Consoles are somewhat more affordable. With the Pro, by the time you add the extra hardware, you can afford a mid level pc lol
If the PS 5 pro is old technology, what is the series X then?
Got a RTX 3080 and a PS5 pro, guess i get it on PC since the game on sale now is alot cheaper on PC also
It's crazy you even though the minor refresh was going to bump it that high. The 2070 max q was able to out perform the regular ps5. The pro is barely above the rdna two as said by the creators mark. How did you thing barely w refresh was ever going to get it close to a 4070 from a 2070 max q? This is exactly how PS5 pro fanboys think. Because it was tested because it was such a stupid idea it must be it's equal. Digital foundry only did this because PS5 pro tards were going crazy saying it's equal to a 4090 an now they are saying it's equal to a 50 series because a 50 series struggles to play triple A games at ultra settings maxed out 4k with ray tracing a path tracing while the pro literally struggles to play the same triple A games at 1080 medium resolution ray tracing which they just got an does this at barely 50 fps. An 90 percent of the time you have to turn off rac tracing because the pro can't even handle it an makes games sluggish. Seriously how did you ever even for a miliseond think like this?