That's a major fact, I shake my head every time I see people fight over politicians and or political parties like those people gives a damn about them.
He deserves it he carries the bills more than any other player. Lamar won it last year with mid stats and an unreal defense. He's having a great season but JA is the best and most important
Lamar: more pass yards, more rush yards, higher completion percentage, higher passer rating, high yards per pass, higher yards per rush, less interceptions. Allen also got blown-out by Baltimore, then followed that up completing 9 out of 30 passes. The dude also stats padded THREE 1-yard rush td’s vs LA This y’all mvp?
@Dimezprod lamar had 24 passing tds last year tied for 11th and won. You lost the privilege of bringing up stats for the mvp when he got his affirmative action award last year.
Josh Allen has most definitely proven week after week throughout the season that he's extremely deserving of winning the MVP this year. It's not without a real discussion about Lamar Jackson also being a dog this year as well BUT... I keep hearing sports media folks talking about Allen being in the same position as Embiid was yr before last getting his MVP instead of Joker winning his 3rd consecutive award. Embiid was pretty good that yr and could hold a little bit of a conversation and Allen is an emphatic absolutely from most people and Jackson is the one in Embiid position or that argument!!! In my opinion that's what I think between the 2 and I'm definitely not a Buffalo nor a Baltimore fan, actually a diehard SAINTS FANATIC even with the sad state we're currently in these days!!!!😮😅😊
I think people have forgotten. The MVP doesn’t just go to the Quarterback with the best stats. Josh Allen has games that he didn’t even play in the 4th quarter. It’s not even close for Lamar to win it. Josh would have to throw 10 interceptions in the last 3 games and lose two of them.
What are you even talking about? Not even close?? Lamar has had a superior statistical season to Allen. Your 4th quarter argument is ridiculous because Lamar has 25 less pass attempts than Allen on the season
@@adamletschin2509so, just to explain and make it clear so it’s out on record- you are objectively wrong in your argument, (or made a mistake) however you want to put it. MVP is not about stats.
@@adamletschin2509Allen had far superior atats last year, so you are saying Lamar didnt deserve it?? Either way Allen is the clear mvp so far last year, despite 2 bad games he stillleads in qbr and has 2 more wins, less empty yards same tds with frewer plays. There is no argument for Lamar this year.
Purdy has had a lot more success than many of the other qbs that signed huge contracts. Though I don’t think almost any qb is worth what the going rate is because it hampers the cap space and ability to build a team around them. The next cba should include cap percentage limits on positions to prevent contracts from getting out of hand. But in the current climate is what it is.
Allen 100% right now today. But there is 3 games left, Allen had stinkers against Houston, Indy, and Baltimore. If he has 2 bad games like those in the final 3 weeks and Lamar continues doing what he’s doing then Lamar will overtake him. I doubt that happens though, it’s Allens and nobody can take it from him really. He basically has to lose it by playing poorly.
I mean Jackson had stinkers as well. And last week he played the giants like they should look into competition and overall skill on thr team if they did that allen would b a lock right now
The argument for Lamar it’s stupid. It’s just stats. No quality wins. Losses against KC, Philly, and couldn’t score a td against pitt. The win against Buffalo is at home on SNF when Buffalo has half a team. He has an MVP candidate IN HIS BACKFIELD. I’m supposed to believe that Lamar is so extra super special mvp that he outweighs the other mvp candidates when he has another one on his team? It’s nonsense. Maybe it’s more likely that his statistical uptick has something to do with a hall of famer returning to form on his team and he now gets to throw at 8 man fronts. I can’t believe how stupid media are sometimes.
To your point, in that Buffalo game, not only was Buffalo injuried on the offensive end, but Henry ran for 200 while Cook ran for 39. Allen had 180 passing yards, Lamar 156. No Lamar fans like to bring up those stats though, as they aren't expedient. All of the sudden the win is the only thing that matters. But then when you point out that Allen is 11-3 with an inferior cast to Lamar's, who is 9-5, all of the sudden it is only stats to make the argument. But, only the stats they deem important. Even though Allen leads in advanced metrics, has a better QBR, EPA, 37 tds just like Lamar having only 7 turnovers to Lamar's 8. The gymnastics are actually quite fun to watch, until you realize that they actually serious.
Lamar: more pass yards, more rush yards, higher completion percentage, higher passer rating, high yards per pass, higher yards per rush, less interceptions. Allen also got blown-out by Baltimore, then followed that up completing 9 out of 30 passes. The dude also stats padded THREE 1-yard rush td’s vs LA This y’all mvp?
@ well you could flip that last year. Allen had way better stats. Ravens have double the losses, a better overall team, Derick Henry lol better coach. And Allen comes up BIG in the big moments. He has the most big time plays and he’s just overall a way better player. He’s due for MVP
More yards with the same tds and fewer wins. Thats an argument for Allen not Lamar..... Empty stats are meanignless, especially with Henry in the backfield with you. Also watch the games you might like it, Allen the clear mvp.
@@Clintob Allen had 25+ turnovers and 6+ losses. He played his way out of an mvp. They only started to win when they ran the ball and took the rock out of his hands.
@@King_Siz3_Chocolat3 Pat won his Mvp's while winning the Super Bowl w SBMvp's, Lamar trash in the playoffs, and Josh can't beat the Chiefs...So back to my question
There's 5 qbs in the league who'd have as many rings as mahomes if they were on the chiefs. There's only 1 QB playing now who can carry that awful Bills franchise
Josh Allen has already surpassed Lamar’s stats from last year. And yet he still won it because his team was the #1 seed. That was the only reason he won it! Now Lamar fans want the award to be based on stats! But last year, stats didn’t matter! You can’t lose to the sorry Raiders and Browns and expect to win the MVP. Sorry. Maybe next year
Lamar surpassed Lamar stats from last season a month ago... Lamar was in a race against the guys in San Francisco until the last couple of games in the season when Baltimore shut them out. Josh Allen led the league in turnovers and wasn't a legit contender in the MVP race because he just happened to throw more passes. Lamar didn't have the best stats but he beat the other MVP candidates. The Chiefs defense is what has carried that team this season, so beating them wasn't a big deal in context and only outscoring a Detroit defense with a dozen players on IR isn't impressive. Even though the Giants is one of the worst teams, the only allowed 20 ppg and Lamar threw 5 TDs and 4 incompletions. Dropped 2 TDs in the blowout win against Buffalo. If Baltimore losing to Raiders and Browns make them a bad team, then Buffalo losing to Baltimore...what does that make them? Baltimore also leads the NFL in penalties and has had one of the worst secondaries in the NFL this league...how does that not make Lamar MORE valuable to his team?
That comment about Josh is not true. Josh and Lamar are tied for total TDs. Josh has the highest QBR in the league at 79.5. If you are going to make a comment, make sure what you say is actually accurate.
Do any other fans not care about awards? I don’t need Josh Allen to win the mvp to know he’s the best player in football. It cool for him to win it but do people really care?
@ why did Lamar win it last year when Josh Allen had better numbers? And head to head is a narrative that never means anything when determining how good a player is.
People are silly, saying others were just saying stats don't matter. The stats lose significance, when your struggling to make the playoffs. When your team finds success, by making others more prominent in your offense. When you lead the league in ints. The same way Winston had 30 tds and 5000 yards, but was disregarded due to his ints. Yes, Lamar has mid volume stats last season. He also was top 5 in rating and adjusted qbr. Had the best record against winning teams in 40 years. Had the best record in football. Stop trying to rewrite history. It wasn't just about disregarding stats.
Well I tell you one thing.. saying the MVP race is over and and voters that have a vote saying they should just give it to Josh Allen right now is absolutely ridiculous and honestly that's unfair for anyone else in the race.. people like Dan o and Acho saying it's over is very very bias looking
Thats fair, but Allen has to play the jets and the pats two times in the remaining weeks and will be able to pad his stats like Lamar did vs the giants. Meanwhile the ravens have tough games vs the steelers, texans and cleveland(bad, but divisional always weird). Unless Lamar goes crazy and they win all these games, I dont see how Lamar wins it.
It’s largely media driven. Once a player catches on it’s pretty much over, especially if his competition won an MVP last year. We saw this when the Bills lost to the Rams. Despite the loss, the 3 TDs and the three 1 yard rushing TDs caught on and it was over from there
well how crazy would lamar or goff have to play and how terribly would josh have to play for these last few games to change things? cuz i think both of those would have to be pretty out of the norm
@@OfficerTyreek Just say it how it is. He had 6 touchdowns and lost because the defense let him down. Same thing in the playoffs. People want a debate about it but where were they last year? It was absurd Lamar was 1 vote from unanimous last year with no debate.
Honestly? It’s Saquon. But since it’s a QB award, Josh Allen deserves it because he should have won it last year. Tyler Huntley won with Lamar’s team. Those Bills aren’t doing a gods damned thing without Josh. That’s literally what most valuable is…
John you gotta take your time and really think about the Mt Rushmore bald guys. Lol. As a recently new member of the bald community at 30 I also love the support and shout outs!
We’ve been making excuses for Lamar his whole career he doesn’t have good receivers he doesn’t have this or that ,his got a great tight end,great receivers and that wasn’t good enough so they went and got this overrated QB Deric Henry now will that be enough?Being on a better team his entire career he’s got the same playoff wins as Baker 2 which is just a mid NFL starter Lamar’s not great.
Lamar had the first triple crown winning defense in NFL history last year and is surrounded by avengers. His o'line is in top 8 rn. The excuses this guy gets is starting to get ridiculous. What,does everything have to be perfect around him for him to be any good lol. Purdy was killed in the media. A guy who plays well in the playoffs. I wonder why. They don't like his skin color or something. The fact that Baker gets made fun of is pretty when you put it that way. Considering the Ravens probably win that game vs the chiefs in the AFCC with Baker at the QB spot. Lamar Stan's fall for a fake media driven narrative. He's mid as a qb. Good athlete though.
The narrative around Cincinnati is delusional. Unless you're the Packers or the Patriots then you have had multiple horrible teams in the past 25 years. Multiple teams are much worse run than Cincinnati. Dolphins, Jets, Jags, Bears, Panthers. All of these teams have been way worse than Cincinnati the past 25 to 30 years. Yet, Cincinnati gets a bad wrap bcuz Mike Brown doesn't pay every single player that's passed through here a max contract. Nobody does.
49ers need to upgrade that dollar store o-line. Trent is on his last legs and Banks, Brendel and Mckivitz get destroyed a high percentage of times. Puni looks promising. I really hope they get a tackle in rd 1.
Bro, stone cold Steve Austin should’ve been on the Mount Rushmore, and for anyone that partied in Vegas multiple times and has a “guy”, that’s prolly big dom
Q: Is the media promoting Josh over Lamar simply because its Lamar? A: Yes + If we did that he’d have 3 before he’s 28 and I would have to change how I think and speak about him and im unwilling. Its a shame what Lamar has been subjected to.
The issue with the Chiefs and the referees is a complicated one. Good teams get more calls, this is true across different sports even, different leagues, etc. etc. So some of it is just part of the built-in advantage of being a good team. Then there's of course the constant complaining by players and coaches, especially Mahomes himself, which is known to work, Belichik did it forever too. Different referees have different tendencies and teams are fully aware of those tendencies and adjust their playstyle for specific games. The Chiefs, especially on the offensive line, do this to a greater extend and more systematically, they have for years, even pre-Mahomes. This is not something the referees do on purpose, the Chiefs just do a "better" job at exploiting it. Andy Reid has lost with grace for more than 15 years, he just got tired of that. The NFL could shut down much of that and maybe they'll do in the offseason, but it's mostly a sin of omission and not something they actively do.
Lamar came on too late in the year I feel like. Given how Josh has played this year, with the talent he has, the teams he's beaten, I don't think Lamar deserves his 3rd before Josh deserves his 1st. I feel like it'd be a MAJOR snub to not give it to Allen this year.
You know that the brown's are kicking themselves in the arse over that Watson contract and the fact that baker Mayfield is playing better than Watson since they changed towns 😂
So Allen was statistically better than Lamar last year. He led the NFL in Total TD, Total Yards, was 3rd in QBR over Jackson and accounted for 86% of his teams scores. Lamar wasn't even close at around 52%. Allen should have been MVP last year. He also won the last 6 games to steal the division and 2 seed. Josh is playing for a 1 seed this year. Lamar isn't even winning his division. And I will point out that Allen has ALWAYS been in the MVP conversation. Lamar dropped out and Barkley was the next challenger, and now back to Lamar. Allen has been there all year. Josh is leading the NFL in QBR. He's leading the NFL in total TD. He leads the NFL in EPA per play. He leads the NFL in EPA per play in the 4th quarter. The Bills were supposed to take a step back this year and lose the division and miss the playoffs. But Allen is elevating everyone around him He's thrown TD to 11 different receivers. He injured his wrist, had substantial players out and still has gotten it done. He just led the Bills to 8 straight games of 30+ points. Only other teams to do that were Brady, Manning, and Warner teams...they won MVP. He's the only one to beat the Chiefs. (add MVP moment on the 4th and 2) Then he went and set records in the SF game (with another MVP moment) Then he made history in the LA game with his 6TD game. Then he beat the best NFC team in their house. He's setting records every week. If he gets 3 more TD in the next 3 weeks, he would be the first player to ever produce 5 consecutive seasons of 40+TD. He's the current record owner at 4 seasons. If that's not good enough, here are some other things records that he's put his name on this season (which are more historical for the most part, but they certainly don't hurt) Surpassed Cam Newtons record of games with multi passing TD and a rushing TD Tied the record for Games to 250TD with Mahomes. Surpassed Steve Young with the most games of 2 passing and 2 rushing TD Became the first player in NFL history to record multiple pass touchdowns, multiple rush touchdowns, 350+ passing yards & 60+ rushing yards in the same game (including playoffs) 1. Second player in NFL history with 12+ passing touchdowns and zero interceptions in team's first seven games 2. Second-most touchdown passes in Bills history 3. Most total touchdowns in Bills history 4. Most games with two touchdown passes and two touchdown runs in NFL history (five) 5. Second quarterback with consecutive seasons of 10+ rushing touchdowns 6. Second all-time in rushing touchdowns by a quarterback 7. Second all-time in rushing touchdowns in Bills history (one behind Thurman Thomas at time of writing) 8. First player in history with multiple passing touchdowns, multiple rushing touchdowns, 350 yards passing, and 60 yards rushing in the same game 9. First player with two touchdown passes and two rushing touchdowns in consecutive games 10. First player to have three games with 2+ passing and 2+ rushing touchdowns in the same season 11. Tied with Patrick Mahomes for second-most regular season wins by a quarterback in their first seven seasons. 12. Only QB player in NFL history to score more than 50 points in a fantasy week. 13. Only player in NFL history to score 90 fantasy points in 2 weeks. The highlight reels tell you everything you need to know about his body of work....nobody does all the things he does and as well as he does them. People need to stop looking for reasons why he isn't the MVP. He has been the most productive player in the NFL since 2020 and it's time to give the man his flowers.
in no world is any qb winning mvp with an 11-6 record. allen was MID last season. this is his first regular season hes playing better then lamar and mahomes. hes never been the #1 seed and wont be this year and has a 5-5 playoff record. stop hyping up a player who has no trophies. lamar has 2, mahomes has 8 total. kyle tucker is solely responsible for the ravens losing 2 games this season or else lamar wouldve had his 3rd. allen is very lucky.
The question on being the 12th man as an overweight 36 year old, my man you would be dead after 1 series, I love how us men always think we can play but no we cannot and I'm saying that as someone who is in good shape and trains in the gym 4 times a week, they would murder me 😂
@@kingroyalty9621 Huh? Josh got the other vote that kept Lamar from getting unanimously. What are you talking about lol?!? Lamar fans strictly go to stats this year, but weren't concerned with stats with Lamar won either...of course because he wasn't at the top statistically. Most people didn't pick the Bills to make the playoffs or win the division. The Ravens were projected to go to the Super Bowl this year.
For every one example you can think of where a great QB won a SB with an average HC, I could probably name 3 examples of a great HC winning a SB with an average QB.
Who’s gonna win the “battle of useless opinions from writers and former players” is what you meant. Neither guy cares I’m willing to bet. They want rings.
Well the majority of Vikings are completely delusional, they're %100 absolutely convinced JJ MCCarthy is the next Mahomes or Brady. Alex Smith and Drew Bledsoe are the two examples they always use to shut down any argument for Darnold. They'e set the bar so high for Darnold that they won't want to keep him, not just get them to a Super Bowl, not just win a Super Bowl but be the reason they win a Super Bowl- and then they say to offer him the Mayfield deal. Like I said bat shit crazy.
How is this a question? Lamar was gifted an MVP over several players with way better cases and stats last year, especially Allen, who led the league in yards and touchdowns with the LOWEST EPA lost to turnovers and nearly identical turnover worthy play rate this year and last yeay, both better than Lamar. Now, that his numbers are good, stats suddenly matter? I wonder why the goalposts keep moving in Lamar's favor..... Oh yeah, Allen's voter last year was called a racist. Allen doesn't belong to the preferred Demographic
the darnold discussion is literally pointless right now. gotta see how the season plays out what if darnold loses the last two games to GB and Detroit and then gets bounced in round one. no shot you pay him them the whole reason you drafted JJ is because you had a decent qb in cousins but he was never gonna get you over the top and he needed a contract... well that could end up being the exact same scenario with darnold. If darnold gets you further than kirk ever did then great keep him. the decision is going to make itself over the next month or so.
Josh Allen is the better QB but Lamar is on pace for 4,000 yards passing, 1000 yards rushing 40 tds 4 ints that historically great, not to mention his team destroyed Josh Allen & the bills head up. Josh Allen deserves it but with numbers like that Lamar is still in it if he finishes strong, same with saquon IMO.
Pretty simple , If Lamar wins his division, then he’s earned it . If not then he doesn’t win it. In Lamar’s case, the Afc north are more Competitive than all the afc east teams except for the bills. It’s also true that Allen would love to have lamars better weapons ( flowers, Henry, andrews)vs his guys and no one is taking McDermott over any harbaugh . So Why are the bills are still limited given they pay allen only 43m/yr? Allen should leave the bills and go to rams.
The Bills have nearly 25% of their salary cap allocated as dead cap from prior year extensions and Diggs trade. Simply put they have less money to spend on adequate starting players than every other NFL team outside of Denver.
Sorry but the Chiefs are definitely getting bailed out. It’s been obvious for awhile now. Respect to you for trying to cover for Andy and his validity but nope. Just cause all the games do well doesn’t mean that control is just given up bro. You don’t just relinquish power like that over time, you find more sneaky ways to wield it. Love your takes but this one feels very off base. I tend to believe the league has a handful of teams they prop up every year so that they don’t show their hand on having their chosen team win constantly. They pick a handful of teams with the right situations to prop up so they can maximize their earnings and it’s obvious.
If that was the case why would they choose Kansas City who’s one of the smallest markets in the league to prop up and not Dallas or New York or Chicago that would maximize their earnings a lot more
21:25 That’s it right there. Mfs were uncomfortable calling him a 2x MVP. Despite everything he does (literally having an Aaron Rodgers season throwing the ball while being the best rusher at the QB position ever) people are still uncomfortable with the idea of considering him an all time great Meanwhile everyone talks about Allen like he’s a hall of famer while he has no accolades. They gonna give him a pity MVP just so they can justify the way they talk about them.
It is truly amazing you have this 100% backwards. The glaze Lamar gets is insane. Lamar wasn't even top 5 at his own position last year, yet won. CMC had a better case. Allen had the best case. Allen led the league in yards and touchdowns last year, had the lowest EPA lost to turnovers and a TWP% better than Lamar, so the turnover narrative for Allen has been debunked. Now that Lamar has stats they suddenly matter? They didn't matter for Allen. Must be nice to have the correct demographics
Lamar has more passing yards cause hes losing games.... Allen has a better qbr, same tds with fewer plays, better record, plus wins againsy the best team in each conference.... there is no logical argument that makes Lamar the mvp. He got the pity vote last year, either he didnt deserve it then or he doesnt now, cant have it both ways.
@@donkeybus You do realize Allen has thrown the ball more than Lamar has this year right. Lamar has like 25 less pass attempts. That’s a whole games worth. With less attempts Lamar actually has more TDs. In fact Lamar actually leads the league in TD% (that’s TDs per pass attempt in case you don’t know). Lamar also throws more YPA and has a higher completion percentage. That’s why he clears Allen in every stat despite throwing less. Allen is also 3-3 against teams with winning records. Lamar is 5-3. It’s funny how you said Lamar has no argument when your argument for Allen was actually factually wrong and supported Lamar.
@@WhydoIsuddenlyhaveahandle Allen had 29 TDs and 18INTs. He had a worse passer rating, completion percentage, TD/INT ratio and YPA. Allen just threw the ball over 100 more times than Lamar. The only thing that Allen did better than Lamar was rush for 15TDs and Lamar’s rushing stats cleared Allen. Yall only care about total yardage and stats when it’s Allen. Lamar Jackson was #2 in total yards last year before they sat him the last game with the best record in the league
Josh should get it this year, the truth is Lamar shouldnt have got it last year, his defense was a triple crown defense first ever in the nfl, he was carried his stats were terrible for an mvp case, but the media made him the winner, because poor Lamar everyone picks on him blah blah blah. Lamar has had a great year this year but Allen lost his so called best weapon and has played lights out.
People don't realize how historic Lamars choke job last year was. 10 QBs with that defense would have won that game. Josh would have just said get out of my way. I'm winning this. He could live a defense like Lamar has had. Wouldn't have had to be Superman all the time.
@ yeah thats a fine argument. And this year Allen beat KC and Detroit. So if you were good with Lamar winning last year then you should be okay with Josh winning this year
The Ravens defense was the MVP last year. They had the first triple crown in NFL history. Lamar fans don't like facts though. Lamar is surrounded by avengers this year.
Much of his success can be attributed to the addition of Derrick Henry. It has opened things up immensely downfield. Context matters. He is not an elite passer.
@@thedeifiedjulius2310 your “context” or “logic” isn’t credible because your the type to say he only wins because of others , but when he loses it’s his fault. Go cry while Lamar might go all the way. Oh yea, and he’s an ELITE passer, bud.
The idea that Lamar could win it over Josh is a laugh riot. Josh has wins against the best team in each conference, one on the road, the other guy doesn’t. Josh doesn’t have another MVP candidate in his backfield, the other guy does. If Josh loses this mvp I’ll just flat out say there’s a bias and I don’t want to get into what that is. He lost it last year because voters didn’t watch that 10 of his turnovers were either arm punts or off the hands of wideouts on perfect throws. He certainly had 15 more touchdowns than the guy who won.
@ the belt got put to ass in the playoffs here a few years ago. A week 6 matchup doesn’t make Lamar a winner against KC where he lost. Against Philly, where he lost. The fact that his halfback is an MVP candidate himself, does matter. It’s easier to throw against 8 man fronts. There’s a reason his numbers are up. The bills win because of Josh. The Ravens would win 10 games with a backup. It’s a joke argument.
Lamar is not the best QB that’s ridiculous we saw both against the Chiefs in the playoffs last year Lamar looked like a deer in headlights especially when it counted in the second half,Josh had the Bills in the game the whole game he missed one pass that he usually makes blind folded.
JJ is better than darnold. I’ve watched every game he’s played since HS. He’s going to be the best out of this rookie class. Also he’s more athletic and has a bigger arm than darnold. he had the #6 3 cone in the entire combine. He’s a real athlete.
John is now saying he’d take Allen over Mahomes, dear oh dear! You’re way too high on the guy, had a great year, but done nothing in the playoffs. Let him win an SB before you start usurping the GOAT in waiting with him!
Lamar: more pass yards, more rush yards, higher completion percentage, higher passer rating, high yards per pass, higher yards per rush, less interceptions. Allen also got blown-out by Baltimore, then followed that up completing 9 out of 30 passes. The dude also stats padded THREE 1-yard rush td’s vs LA This y’all mvp?
The lies ….Lamar lost his entire OLINE -They lost their entire defensive Coaching staff! They lost Patrick Queen one of the best linebackers in the league …lost Geno Stone led the league in interceptions…Lost Clowney who had a career season last year ! The media is full of it …pretending we the fans don’t watch the games !
Lamar had the first triple crown winning defense in NFL history last year and is surrounded by avengers. His o'line in top 8 rn. This accuses this guy gets is starting to get ridiculous. What,does everything have to be perfect around him for him to be any good lol
John actually likes Brock and thinks he's a good player, he's just saying that very few players are worth max contracts and Purdy is a 7-12 QB. That deserves 7-12 money. Not saying he's a bad player. John likes Purdy alot. Says it all the time
Purdy had the lead in the super bowl vs KC when he left the field. Went toe to toe with KC. Everyone acting like he is a scrub.. He has been paid nothing so far..
Lamar had the first triple crown winning defense in NFL history last year and is surrounded by avengers. His o'line in top 8 rn. This accuses this guy gets is starting to get ridiculous. What,does everything have to be perfect around him for him to be any good lol
Lamar: more pass yards, more rush yards, higher completion percentage, higher passer rating, high yards per pass, higher yards per rush, less interceptions. Allen also got blown-out by Baltimore, then followed that up completing 9 out of 30 passes. The dude also stats padded THREE 1-yard rush td’s vs LA This y’all mvp?
So the two times that Lamar wasn't leading the league in anything except total td's the first MVP means he shouldn't have won either? What about those God awful losses to Cleveland and The Raiders? He lost to a team that didn't have to score any TD's and got steamrolled by Philly. Let's not do this lol.
@@jakethethird1584 And those are worse than getting blown out by Baltimore and only completing 9-30? “God awful is a huge over-reaction since neither loss was by more than 7 points.
Lamar is having his best statistical season and he's won 2 MVPs. Josh Allen is having an amazing season but I don't think we should just not give someone an award because they won it before.
It's a lot more nuanced than that. Also, Josh had a better season statistically than Lamar last season when he did get it, so that argument just doesn't fly.
John you are the top guy in sports media right now
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Agreed! I'm amazed his channel only has 53k suns, he deserves at least 10x that number
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That's a major fact, I shake my head every time I see people fight over politicians and or political parties like those people gives a damn about them.
Josh Allen is currently a -900 favorite to win the MVP, safe to say the award is his.
He deserves it he carries the bills more than any other player.
Lamar won it last year with mid stats and an unreal defense. He's having a great season but JA is the best and most important
Lamar: more pass yards, more rush yards, higher completion percentage, higher passer rating, high yards per pass, higher yards per rush, less interceptions.
Allen also got blown-out by Baltimore, then followed that up completing 9 out of 30 passes. The dude also stats padded THREE 1-yard rush td’s vs LA
This y’all mvp?
@Dimezprod pull your head out of the box score and watch the games
@Dimezprod Bills was in a rebuild year & did this good. They beat the chiefs & Ravens lost to them.
@Dimezprod lamar had 24 passing tds last year tied for 11th and won.
You lost the privilege of bringing up stats for the mvp when he got his affirmative action award last year.
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Josh Allen has most definitely proven week after week throughout the season that he's extremely deserving of winning the MVP this year. It's not without a real discussion about Lamar Jackson also being a dog this year as well BUT... I keep hearing sports media folks talking about Allen being in the same position as Embiid was yr before last getting his MVP instead of Joker winning his 3rd consecutive award. Embiid was pretty good that yr and could hold a little bit of a conversation and Allen is an emphatic absolutely from most people and Jackson is the one in Embiid position or that argument!!! In my opinion that's what I think between the 2 and I'm definitely not a Buffalo nor a Baltimore fan, actually a diehard SAINTS FANATIC even with the sad state we're currently in these days!!!!😮😅😊
Josh Allen should be the front runner,after that, I say Barkley .
yeah u hate lamar lmao
Saquon definitely has a better case than Lamar. He should win,but they owe Allen for the historic snub last year
@@WhydoIsuddenlyhaveahandle is saquon on pace on pace to have one of the best qb seasons in nfl history? did allen not throw 18 picks last year? gtfoh
@@idk88876did Lamars defense win the triple crown last year? Gtfoh
I think people have forgotten. The MVP doesn’t just go to the Quarterback with the best stats. Josh Allen has games that he didn’t even play in the 4th quarter. It’s not even close for Lamar to win it. Josh would have to throw 10 interceptions in the last 3 games and lose two of them.
What are you even talking about? Not even close?? Lamar has had a superior statistical season to Allen.
Your 4th quarter argument is ridiculous because Lamar has 25 less pass attempts than Allen on the season
@@adamletschin2509kinda like when Allen and Lamar sat the fourth quarter of the Bills Ravens game cause Lamar whooped him 😂
@@adamletschin2509your argument is ridiculous. Allen had far superior stats last season and lost to Lamar because of narrative.
@@adamletschin2509so, just to explain and make it clear so it’s out on record- you are objectively wrong in your argument, (or made a mistake) however you want to put it. MVP is not about stats.
@@adamletschin2509Allen had far superior atats last year, so you are saying Lamar didnt deserve it?? Either way Allen is the clear mvp so far last year, despite 2 bad games he stillleads in qbr and has 2 more wins, less empty yards same tds with frewer plays. There is no argument for Lamar this year.
Purdy has had a lot more success than many of the other qbs that signed huge contracts.
Though I don’t think almost any qb is worth what the going rate is because it hampers the cap space and ability to build a team around them.
The next cba should include cap percentage limits on positions to prevent contracts from getting out of hand.
But in the current climate is what it is.
Yeah, but the Niners. Would rather have Burrow.
Allen 100% right now today. But there is 3 games left, Allen had stinkers against Houston, Indy, and Baltimore. If he has 2 bad games like those in the final 3 weeks and Lamar continues doing what he’s doing then Lamar will overtake him.
I doubt that happens though, it’s Allens and nobody can take it from him really. He basically has to lose it by playing poorly.
He didn’t play that bad against Indy
I mean Jackson had stinkers as well. And last week he played the giants like they should look into competition and overall skill on thr team if they did that allen would b a lock right now
If He has a good game Sunday. It's over.
John is the best in the business
I hate that people are still acting like he isn't.
The argument for Lamar it’s stupid. It’s just stats. No quality wins. Losses against KC, Philly, and couldn’t score a td against pitt. The win against Buffalo is at home on SNF when Buffalo has half a team. He has an MVP candidate IN HIS BACKFIELD. I’m supposed to believe that Lamar is so extra super special mvp that he outweighs the other mvp candidates when he has another one on his team? It’s nonsense.
Maybe it’s more likely that his statistical uptick has something to do with a hall of famer returning to form on his team and he now gets to throw at 8 man fronts. I can’t believe how stupid media are sometimes.
Anyone could throw to the weapons he has. Heck he has two of the better tightends n the league aside from Henry and two first round wrs lol.
No quality wins? He beat Buffalo, @Tampa, Washington, Denver, @ Chargers. All playoff teams. Buffalo has 2 wins against playoff teams.
Yeah idk wtf they talking about
To your point, in that Buffalo game, not only was Buffalo injuried on the offensive end, but Henry ran for 200 while Cook ran for 39. Allen had 180 passing yards, Lamar 156. No Lamar fans like to bring up those stats though, as they aren't expedient. All of the sudden the win is the only thing that matters. But then when you point out that Allen is 11-3 with an inferior cast to Lamar's, who is 9-5, all of the sudden it is only stats to make the argument. But, only the stats they deem important. Even though Allen leads in advanced metrics, has a better QBR, EPA, 37 tds just like Lamar having only 7 turnovers to Lamar's 8. The gymnastics are actually quite fun to watch, until you realize that they actually serious.
Hey erik, I think we got the gist from the 3 separate comments you left on the video. Good lord bills fans are emotional
Allen easily
Lamar: more pass yards, more rush yards, higher completion percentage, higher passer rating, high yards per pass, higher yards per rush, less interceptions.
Allen also got blown-out by Baltimore, then followed that up completing 9 out of 30 passes. The dude also stats padded THREE 1-yard rush td’s vs LA
This y’all mvp?
@ well you could flip that last year. Allen had way better stats. Ravens have double the losses, a better overall team, Derick Henry lol better coach. And Allen comes up BIG in the big moments. He has the most big time plays and he’s just overall a way better player. He’s due for MVP
More yards with the same tds and fewer wins. Thats an argument for Allen not Lamar..... Empty stats are meanignless, especially with Henry in the backfield with you. Also watch the games you might like it, Allen the clear mvp.
@@Clintob Allen had 25+ turnovers and 6+ losses. He played his way out of an mvp. They only started to win when they ran the ball and took the rock out of his hands.
So what if Joe Burrow gets Bengals in playoffs MVP???
Would you rather be a regular reason Mvp or P.Mahomes?
Pat mahomes is pat mahomes and a 2x MVP. That’s like asking would you rather have superpowers or be Superman?
@@King_Siz3_Chocolat3 Pat won his Mvp's while winning the Super Bowl w SBMvp's, Lamar trash in the playoffs, and Josh can't beat the Chiefs...So back to my question
I would rather the Chiefs Defense, the Chiefs Coach, and Allen vs. the same and Mahomes.
Wins are not a QB stat
There's 5 qbs in the league who'd have as many rings as mahomes if they were on the chiefs. There's only 1 QB playing now who can carry that awful Bills franchise
The guy from NYPD Blue rocked the culdesac bald look, like a champ.
Lamar is MV3
Teams that would pay Purdy today: Colts, Browns, Raiders, Saints, Giants
Now Josh Allen is media propaganda? People are really lost and confused it’s sad
Josh Allen has already surpassed Lamar’s stats from last year. And yet he still won it because his team was the #1 seed. That was the only reason he won it! Now Lamar fans want the award to be based on stats! But last year, stats didn’t matter! You can’t lose to the sorry Raiders and Browns and expect to win the MVP. Sorry. Maybe next year
Lamar surpassed Lamar stats from last season a month ago... Lamar was in a race against the guys in San Francisco until the last couple of games in the season when Baltimore shut them out. Josh Allen led the league in turnovers and wasn't a legit contender in the MVP race because he just happened to throw more passes. Lamar didn't have the best stats but he beat the other MVP candidates. The Chiefs defense is what has carried that team this season, so beating them wasn't a big deal in context and only outscoring a Detroit defense with a dozen players on IR isn't impressive. Even though the Giants is one of the worst teams, the only allowed 20 ppg and Lamar threw 5 TDs and 4 incompletions. Dropped 2 TDs in the blowout win against Buffalo. If Baltimore losing to Raiders and Browns make them a bad team, then Buffalo losing to Baltimore...what does that make them? Baltimore also leads the NFL in penalties and has had one of the worst secondaries in the NFL this
league...how does that not make Lamar MORE valuable to his team?
@@TrillVilla5Lamar had a triple crown defense who won the 49ers game.
This is awesome content, man.
Drops like these really make me miss the player market
Shout out to John for the fan interaction. Good shit
The Ravens lost 3 starting offensive lineman, offensive lineman coach sadly passed away, lost defensive coordinator, defensive lineman coach, defensive backs coach, Patrick Queen and J.D Clowney…
That comment about Josh is not true.
Josh and Lamar are tied for total TDs.
Josh has the highest QBR in the league at 79.5.
If you are going to make a comment, make sure what you say is actually accurate.
Lamar Jackson is the MVP MV3 easily 🎯💪💯
Do any other fans not care about awards? I don’t need Josh Allen to win the mvp to know he’s the best player in football. It cool for him to win it but do people really care?
Lamar has better numbers and beat him head to head
@ why did Lamar win it last year when Josh Allen had better numbers? And head to head is a narrative that never means anything when determining how good a player is.
@@philiptallini5232 Allen has 25+ turnovers and 6+ losses. He played his way out of the mvp. He wasn’t robbed AT ALL. Period.
@philiptallini5232 lamar fans care because they know come playoff time he will be his usual Nathan peterman self. So MVPs is all they have
@@RandomEmail-v2j What round of the playoffs has Allen been to, Lamar hasn’t.
Lamar had 4 TD’s vs Houston, that’s bad?
in tx now but we used to hit brenden theatres in vacaville in early 2000s
People are silly, saying others were just saying stats don't matter. The stats lose significance, when your struggling to make the playoffs. When your team finds success, by making others more prominent in your offense. When you lead the league in ints. The same way Winston had 30 tds and 5000 yards, but was disregarded due to his ints. Yes, Lamar has mid volume stats last season. He also was top 5 in rating and adjusted qbr. Had the best record against winning teams in 40 years. Had the best record in football. Stop trying to rewrite history. It wasn't just about disregarding stats.
Well I tell you one thing.. saying the MVP race is over and and voters that have a vote saying they should just give it to Josh Allen right now is absolutely ridiculous and honestly that's unfair for anyone else in the race.. people like Dan o and Acho saying it's over is very very bias looking
Thats fair, but Allen has to play the jets and the pats two times in the remaining weeks and will be able to pad his stats like Lamar did vs the giants. Meanwhile the ravens have tough games vs the steelers, texans and cleveland(bad, but divisional always weird). Unless Lamar goes crazy and they win all these games, I dont see how Lamar wins it.
It’s largely media driven. Once a player catches on it’s pretty much over, especially if his competition won an MVP last year.
We saw this when the Bills lost to the Rams. Despite the loss, the 3 TDs and the three 1 yard rushing TDs caught on and it was over from there
well how crazy would lamar or goff have to play and how terribly would josh have to play for these last few games to change things? cuz i think both of those would have to be pretty out of the norm
@@OfficerTyreek Just say it how it is. He had 6 touchdowns and lost because the defense let him down. Same thing in the playoffs. People want a debate about it but where were they last year? It was absurd Lamar was 1 vote from unanimous last year with no debate.
It will be over by Sunday night. There's a good chance Allen has the better game. If the chiefs win. Allen might not play again until the playoffs.
I like the question Q&A:) > John i'd like to know what position Tom Brady could best draft, considering all the film he has watched over the years.
You gotta admit john that Purdy is alot better than trevor and Tua. So I don't think that's a fair comparison
Honestly? It’s Saquon. But since it’s a QB award, Josh Allen deserves it because he should have won it last year.
Tyler Huntley won with Lamar’s team. Those Bills aren’t doing a gods damned thing without Josh. That’s literally what most valuable is…
John you gotta take your time and really think about the Mt Rushmore bald guys. Lol. As a recently new member of the bald community at 30 I also love the support and shout outs!
We’ve been making excuses for Lamar his whole career he doesn’t have good receivers he doesn’t have this or that ,his got a great tight end,great receivers and that wasn’t good enough so they went and got this overrated QB Deric Henry now will that be enough?Being on a better team his entire career he’s got the same playoff wins as Baker 2 which is just a mid NFL starter Lamar’s not great.
Lamar had the first triple crown winning defense in NFL history last year and is surrounded by avengers. His o'line is in top 8 rn. The excuses this guy gets is starting to get ridiculous. What,does everything have to be perfect around him for him to be any good lol. Purdy was killed in the media. A guy who plays well in the playoffs. I wonder why. They don't like his skin color or something. The fact that Baker gets made fun of is pretty when you put it that way. Considering the Ravens probably win that game vs the chiefs in the AFCC with Baker at the QB spot. Lamar Stan's fall for a fake media driven narrative. He's mid as a qb. Good athlete though.
I love that bald question😂😂what a great question
The narrative around Cincinnati is delusional. Unless you're the Packers or the Patriots then you have had multiple horrible teams in the past 25 years. Multiple teams are much worse run than Cincinnati. Dolphins, Jets, Jags, Bears, Panthers. All of these teams have been way worse than Cincinnati the past 25 to 30 years. Yet, Cincinnati gets a bad wrap bcuz Mike Brown doesn't pay every single player that's passed through here a max contract. Nobody does.
Stone cold steve Austin! Bald icon!
49ers need to upgrade that dollar store o-line. Trent is on his last legs and Banks, Brendel and Mckivitz get destroyed a high percentage of times. Puni looks promising. I really hope they get a tackle in rd 1.
Allen. But still a few games left.
Stone Cold Steve Austin one of the best bald dudes on the planet
Pretty sure KD’s mom is da real MVP
Bro, stone cold Steve Austin should’ve been on the Mount Rushmore, and for anyone that partied in Vegas multiple times and has a “guy”, that’s prolly big dom
Q: Is the media promoting Josh over Lamar simply because its Lamar?
A: Yes + If we did that he’d have 3 before he’s 28 and I would have to change how I think and speak about him and im unwilling.
Its a shame what Lamar has been subjected to.
Call me crazy but I’m gonna go with the guy who’s playing better and his team has a better record
The issue with the Chiefs and the referees is a complicated one. Good teams get more calls, this is true across different sports even, different leagues, etc. etc. So some of it is just part of the built-in advantage of being a good team. Then there's of course the constant complaining by players and coaches, especially Mahomes himself, which is known to work, Belichik did it forever too.
Different referees have different tendencies and teams are fully aware of those tendencies and adjust their playstyle for specific games. The Chiefs, especially on the offensive line, do this to a greater extend and more systematically, they have for years, even pre-Mahomes. This is not something the referees do on purpose, the Chiefs just do a "better" job at exploiting it. Andy Reid has lost with grace for more than 15 years, he just got tired of that. The NFL could shut down much of that and maybe they'll do in the offseason, but it's mostly a sin of omission and not something they actively do.
Fuckin cakes and pies will get ya in the holidays for sure
Too relatable😂
Lamar came on too late in the year I feel like. Given how Josh has played this year, with the talent he has, the teams he's beaten, I don't think Lamar deserves his 3rd before Josh deserves his 1st. I feel like it'd be a MAJOR snub to not give it to Allen this year.
You know that the brown's are kicking themselves in the arse over that Watson contract and the fact that baker Mayfield is playing better than Watson since they changed towns 😂
QB is the most important position is football, not in sports. NBA superstars still have more impact. Soccer stars too
If Jokic doesn't prove your statement. Idk who does. QBs can lose games easier though.
Josh Allen has a better qbr as well
So Allen was statistically better than Lamar last year. He led the NFL in Total TD, Total Yards, was 3rd in QBR over Jackson and accounted for 86% of his teams scores. Lamar wasn't even close at around 52%. Allen should have been MVP last year. He also won the last 6 games to steal the division and 2 seed. Josh is playing for a 1 seed this year. Lamar isn't even winning his division. And I will point out that Allen has ALWAYS been in the MVP conversation. Lamar dropped out and Barkley was the next challenger, and now back to Lamar. Allen has been there all year.
Josh is leading the NFL in QBR.
He's leading the NFL in total TD.
He leads the NFL in EPA per play.
He leads the NFL in EPA per play in the 4th quarter.
The Bills were supposed to take a step back this year and lose the division and miss the playoffs. But Allen is elevating everyone around him He's thrown TD to 11 different receivers. He injured his wrist, had substantial players out and still has gotten it done. He just led the Bills to 8 straight games of 30+ points. Only other teams to do that were Brady, Manning, and Warner teams...they won MVP.
He's the only one to beat the Chiefs. (add MVP moment on the 4th and 2)
Then he went and set records in the SF game (with another MVP moment)
Then he made history in the LA game with his 6TD game.
Then he beat the best NFC team in their house.
He's setting records every week. If he gets 3 more TD in the next 3 weeks, he would be the first player to ever produce 5 consecutive seasons of 40+TD. He's the current record owner at 4 seasons.
If that's not good enough, here are some other things records that he's put his name on this season (which are more historical for the most part, but they certainly don't hurt)
Surpassed Cam Newtons record of games with multi passing TD and a rushing TD
Tied the record for Games to 250TD with Mahomes.
Surpassed Steve Young with the most games of 2 passing and 2 rushing TD
Became the first player in NFL history to record multiple pass touchdowns, multiple rush touchdowns, 350+ passing yards & 60+ rushing yards in the same game (including playoffs)
1. Second player in NFL history with 12+ passing touchdowns and zero interceptions in team's first seven games
2. Second-most touchdown passes in Bills history
3. Most total touchdowns in Bills history
4. Most games with two touchdown passes and two touchdown runs in NFL history (five)
5. Second quarterback with consecutive seasons of 10+ rushing touchdowns
6. Second all-time in rushing touchdowns by a quarterback
7. Second all-time in rushing touchdowns in Bills history (one behind Thurman Thomas at time of writing)
8. First player in history with multiple passing touchdowns, multiple rushing touchdowns, 350 yards passing, and 60 yards rushing in the same game
9. First player with two touchdown passes and two rushing touchdowns in consecutive games
10. First player to have three games with 2+ passing and 2+ rushing touchdowns in the same season
11. Tied with Patrick Mahomes for second-most regular season wins by a quarterback in their first seven seasons.
12. Only QB player in NFL history to score more than 50 points in a fantasy week.
13. Only player in NFL history to score 90 fantasy points in 2 weeks.
The highlight reels tell you everything you need to know about his body of work....nobody does all the things he does and as well as he does them.
People need to stop looking for reasons why he isn't the MVP. He has been the most productive player in the NFL since 2020 and it's time to give the man his flowers.
in no world is any qb winning mvp with an 11-6 record. allen was MID last season. this is his first regular season hes playing better then lamar and mahomes. hes never been the #1 seed and wont be this year and has a 5-5 playoff record. stop hyping up a player who has no trophies. lamar has 2, mahomes has 8 total. kyle tucker is solely responsible for the ravens losing 2 games this season or else lamar wouldve had his 3rd. allen is very lucky.
Lamar has better stats and beat Allen when they played head to head.
The question on being the 12th man as an overweight 36 year old, my man you would be dead after 1 series, I love how us men always think we can play but no we cannot and I'm saying that as someone who is in good shape and trains in the gym 4 times a week, they would murder me 😂
Also. Lamar has one playoff game win and we want to give him a 3rd MVP? Absolutely GTFO
Were people saying the same thing when Lamar threw 24 passing TDs last season.
But the argument was not even about Josh Allen last year if u trying to compare lol …Lamar beat every MVP contender in the final 5 games last year !
@@kingroyalty9621 Huh? Josh got the other vote that kept Lamar from getting unanimously. What are you talking about lol?!? Lamar fans strictly go to stats this year, but weren't concerned with stats with Lamar won either...of course because he wasn't at the top statistically. Most people didn't pick the Bills to make the playoffs or win the division. The Ravens were projected to go to the Super Bowl this year.
Best team in the nfl last season
"Middlekauff I can see your scalp..."
I don’t agree with coach vs qb thing
For every one example you can think of where a great QB won a SB with an average HC, I could probably name 3 examples of a great HC winning a SB with an average QB.
The Ravens won a SB with Flacco lol.
Who’s gonna win the “battle of useless opinions from writers and former players” is what you meant. Neither guy cares I’m willing to bet. They want rings.
Well the majority of Vikings are completely delusional, they're %100 absolutely convinced JJ MCCarthy is the next Mahomes or Brady. Alex Smith and Drew Bledsoe are the two examples they always use to shut down any argument for Darnold. They'e set the bar so high for Darnold that they won't want to keep him, not just get them to a Super Bowl, not just win a Super Bowl but be the reason they win a Super Bowl- and then they say to offer him the Mayfield deal. Like I said bat shit crazy.
I don't see it when it comes to JJ.
“Not a huge drinker” mmhm🤨
How is this a question?
Lamar was gifted an MVP over several players with way better cases and stats last year, especially Allen, who led the league in yards and touchdowns with the LOWEST EPA lost to turnovers and nearly identical turnover worthy play rate this year and last yeay, both better than Lamar.
Now, that his numbers are good, stats suddenly matter?
I wonder why the goalposts keep moving in Lamar's favor.....
Oh yeah, Allen's voter last year was called a racist. Allen doesn't belong to the preferred Demographic
Allen has far less offensive talent yet his team has a better record
Bills have beaten 7teams below.500
Regular season MVP doesn't mean much anymore, Super Bowl MVP means more, watch out Mahomes will probably go yet again.
the darnold discussion is literally pointless right now. gotta see how the season plays out what if darnold loses the last two games to GB and Detroit and then gets bounced in round one. no shot you pay him them the whole reason you drafted JJ is because you had a decent qb in cousins but he was never gonna get you over the top and he needed a contract... well that could end up being the exact same scenario with darnold.
If darnold gets you further than kirk ever did then great keep him. the decision is going to make itself over the next month or so.
Amazon sucks the NFL needs to go back to cable
Tua, Prescott, Herbert and Trevor have won nothing. Purdy has won in playoffs.
Josh Allen is the better QB but Lamar is on pace for 4,000 yards passing, 1000 yards rushing 40 tds 4 ints that historically great, not to mention his team destroyed Josh Allen & the bills head up. Josh Allen deserves it but with numbers like that Lamar is still in it if he finishes strong, same with saquon IMO.
People had the Bills sinking. Having Henry opens the passing game. What a signing yet they still have five losses.
Even if Lamar didn’t win the mvp last year. Josh Allen sure wasn’t winning.
Pretty simple , If Lamar wins his division, then he’s earned it . If not then he doesn’t win it. In Lamar’s case, the Afc north are more Competitive than all the afc east teams except for the bills. It’s also true that Allen would love to have lamars better weapons ( flowers, Henry, andrews)vs his guys and no one is taking McDermott over any harbaugh . So Why are the bills are still limited given they pay allen only 43m/yr? Allen should leave the bills and go to rams.
Not this year the Browns suck and the Bengals have one of the worst defenses in the last 20 years.
The Bills have nearly 25% of their salary cap allocated as dead cap from prior year extensions and Diggs trade. Simply put they have less money to spend on adequate starting players than every other NFL team outside of Denver.
Sorry but the Chiefs are definitely getting bailed out. It’s been obvious for awhile now. Respect to you for trying to cover for Andy and his validity but nope. Just cause all the games do well doesn’t mean that control is just given up bro. You don’t just relinquish power like that over time, you find more sneaky ways to wield it. Love your takes but this one feels very off base.
I tend to believe the league has a handful of teams they prop up every year so that they don’t show their hand on having their chosen team win constantly. They pick a handful of teams with the right situations to prop up so they can maximize their earnings and it’s obvious.
If that was the case why would they choose Kansas City who’s one of the smallest markets in the league to prop up and not Dallas or New York or Chicago that would maximize their earnings a lot more
21:25 That’s it right there. Mfs were uncomfortable calling him a 2x MVP. Despite everything he does (literally having an Aaron Rodgers season throwing the ball while being the best rusher at the QB position ever) people are still uncomfortable with the idea of considering him an all time great
Meanwhile everyone talks about Allen like he’s a hall of famer while he has no accolades. They gonna give him a pity MVP just so they can justify the way they talk about them.
It is truly amazing you have this 100% backwards.
The glaze Lamar gets is insane. Lamar wasn't even top 5 at his own position last year, yet won. CMC had a better case. Allen had the best case.
Allen led the league in yards and touchdowns last year, had the lowest EPA lost to turnovers and a TWP% better than Lamar, so the turnover narrative for Allen has been debunked.
Now that Lamar has stats they suddenly matter? They didn't matter for Allen.
Must be nice to have the correct demographics
Lamar has more passing yards cause hes losing games.... Allen has a better qbr, same tds with fewer plays, better record, plus wins againsy the best team in each conference.... there is no logical argument that makes Lamar the mvp. He got the pity vote last year, either he didnt deserve it then or he doesnt now, cant have it both ways.
@@donkeybus You do realize Allen has thrown the ball more than Lamar has this year right. Lamar has like 25 less pass attempts. That’s a whole games worth. With less attempts Lamar actually has more TDs. In fact Lamar actually leads the league in TD% (that’s TDs per pass attempt in case you don’t know). Lamar also throws more YPA and has a higher completion percentage. That’s why he clears Allen in every stat despite throwing less. Allen is also 3-3 against teams with winning records. Lamar is 5-3. It’s funny how you said Lamar has no argument when your argument for Allen was actually factually wrong and supported Lamar.
@@WhydoIsuddenlyhaveahandle Allen had 29 TDs and 18INTs. He had a worse passer rating, completion percentage, TD/INT ratio and YPA. Allen just threw the ball over 100 more times than Lamar. The only thing that Allen did better than Lamar was rush for 15TDs and Lamar’s rushing stats cleared Allen. Yall only care about total yardage and stats when it’s Allen. Lamar Jackson was #2 in total yards last year before they sat him the last game with the best record in the league
@@joshuaokparaocha331because Lamar has a career losing record when he throws the ball more than 30 times.
Mahomes. Super Bowl MVP.
Josh should get it this year, the truth is Lamar shouldnt have got it last year, his defense was a triple crown defense first ever in the nfl, he was carried his stats were terrible for an mvp case, but the media made him the winner, because poor Lamar everyone picks on him blah blah blah. Lamar has had a great year this year but Allen lost his so called best weapon and has played lights out.
People don't realize how historic Lamars choke job last year was. 10 QBs with that defense would have won that game. Josh would have just said get out of my way. I'm winning this. He could live a defense like Lamar has had. Wouldn't have had to be Superman all the time.
Telly Sevalles
Lex Luthor
Travis hunter is headed for heartbreak
Being a referee is harder than being a politician😂
Lamar was Mid AF last year and won it and that’ll be held against him.
Lamar is probably gonna end up the 6 seed. Ain’t no universe that’s MVP worthy.
Josh Allen had much better stats than Lamar last year so clearly the numbers dont mean everything
Who was the best team in football and go look at the top teams last year how many of them did beat the ravens last season
@ yeah thats a fine argument. And this year Allen beat KC and Detroit. So if you were good with Lamar winning last year then you should be okay with Josh winning this year
The Ravens defense was the MVP last year. They had the first triple crown in NFL history. Lamar fans don't like facts though. Lamar is surrounded by avengers this year.
Has Josh Allen ever been to a Super Bowl? Does he have a winning record vs Lamar? Has he ever been MVP? Lamar Jackson is better than Josh Allen.
Half of it's not bad, lol. Means half of what Big Dom does is bad.
Lamar has 34-3 TD-INT ratio
Much of his success can be attributed to the addition of Derrick Henry.
It has opened things up immensely downfield.
Context matters. He is not an elite passer.
@@thedeifiedjulius2310 your “context” or “logic” isn’t credible because your the type to say he only wins because of others , but when he loses it’s his fault. Go cry while Lamar might go all the way. Oh yea, and he’s an ELITE passer, bud.
Stone cold Steve Austin and Goldberg def over the Rock
The idea that Lamar could win it over Josh is a laugh riot. Josh has wins against the best team in each conference, one on the road, the other guy doesn’t. Josh doesn’t have another MVP candidate in his backfield, the other guy does.
If Josh loses this mvp I’ll just flat out say there’s a bias and I don’t want to get into what that is. He lost it last year because voters didn’t watch that 10 of his turnovers were either arm punts or off the hands of wideouts on perfect throws. He certainly had 15 more touchdowns than the guy who won.
Did the other guy and team put belt to ass to the bills
@ the belt got put to ass in the playoffs here a few years ago. A week 6 matchup doesn’t make Lamar a winner against KC where he lost. Against Philly, where he lost. The fact that his halfback is an MVP candidate himself, does matter. It’s easier to throw against 8 man fronts. There’s a reason his numbers are up. The bills win because of Josh. The Ravens would win 10 games with a backup. It’s a joke argument.
@@erikreinhardt7955The Ravens almost won a playoff game with their backup. Without Allen the Bills are screwed.
@@deandrecarter8671😂😂😂 DID!!😂😂😂
@@HockeyDudeJames2😂😂Exactly! People forget that, and we lost to KC by a big toe in the 1st game,and people act like it was a blowout
Lamar is not the best QB that’s ridiculous we saw both against the Chiefs in the playoffs last year Lamar looked like a deer in headlights especially when it counted in the second half,Josh had the Bills in the game the whole game he missed one pass that he usually makes blind folded.
Yeah we’re not the Jaguars 😂
Dak was MVP last year not lamar
JJ is better than darnold. I’ve watched every game he’s played since HS. He’s going to be the best out of this rookie class. Also he’s more athletic and has a bigger arm than darnold. he had the #6 3 cone in the entire combine. He’s a real athlete.
John is now saying he’d take Allen over Mahomes, dear oh dear!
You’re way too high on the guy, had a great year, but done nothing in the playoffs.
Let him win an SB before you start usurping the GOAT in waiting with him!
Lamar: more pass yards, more rush yards, higher completion percentage, higher passer rating, high yards per pass, higher yards per rush, less interceptions.
Allen also got blown-out by Baltimore, then followed that up completing 9 out of 30 passes. The dude also stats padded THREE 1-yard rush td’s vs LA
This y’all mvp?
Allen has the highest passer rating in NFL history and highest TD to int ratio. Sure. He dies nothing in the playoffs 😂
The lies ….Lamar lost his entire OLINE -They lost their entire defensive Coaching staff! They lost Patrick Queen one of the best linebackers in the league …lost Geno Stone led the league in interceptions…Lost Clowney who had a career season last year ! The media is full of it …pretending we the fans don’t watch the games !
Lamar had the first triple crown winning defense in NFL history last year and is surrounded by avengers. His o'line in top 8 rn. This accuses this guy gets is starting to get ridiculous. What,does everything have to be perfect around him for him to be any good lol
Josh will win it because he was cheated out of it last year he had better stats last year,than Lamar.
It's caled a fixer
This has become a shit on Brock podcast lol
All he said was Burrow is better. Which he is.
John actually likes Brock and thinks he's a good player, he's just saying that very few players are worth max contracts and Purdy is a 7-12 QB. That deserves 7-12 money. Not saying he's a bad player. John likes Purdy alot. Says it all the time
It's look like they want White boy back in the game. Josh Allen is a cry baby every time you put your hands on him he cry .
Purdy had the lead in the super bowl vs KC when he left the field. Went toe to toe with KC. Everyone acting like he is a scrub.. He has been paid nothing so far..
John the only thing I heard you say was we can’t keep giving the best player the MVP award 🤷🏾♂️…
Lamar had the first triple crown winning defense in NFL history last year and is surrounded by avengers. His o'line in top 8 rn. This accuses this guy gets is starting to get ridiculous. What,does everything have to be perfect around him for him to be any good lol
Lamar: more pass yards, more rush yards, higher completion percentage, higher passer rating, high yards per pass, higher yards per rush, less interceptions.
Allen also got blown-out by Baltimore, then followed that up completing 9 out of 30 passes. The dude also stats padded THREE 1-yard rush td’s vs LA
This y’all mvp?
So the two times that Lamar wasn't leading the league in anything except total td's the first MVP means he shouldn't have won either? What about those God awful losses to Cleveland and The Raiders? He lost to a team that didn't have to score any TD's and got steamrolled by Philly. Let's not do this lol.
They lost that game to a team that was below.500
Last year over 1,000 yards more and 15 more TDs. What kind of mvp is that far behind someone else? 😂
@@jakethethird1584 And those are worse than getting blown out by Baltimore and only completing 9-30? “God awful is a huge over-reaction since neither loss was by more than 7 points.
@@jeremytaft8247 and 25+ turnovers and 6+ losses. He played his way out of the mvp
Lamar is having his best statistical season and he's won 2 MVPs. Josh Allen is having an amazing season but I don't think we should just not give someone an award because they won it before.
People had the Bills barely making the playoffs if not missing when the Ravens signed Henry the narrative was they would win the AFC.
It's a lot more nuanced than that. Also, Josh had a better season statistically than Lamar last season when he did get it, so that argument just doesn't fly.
You’re out of touch John. And out of line.