Splitting frequencies with channel EQs will introduce phase distortion around the crossover frequency. Linear phase EQs should be used for this kind of tasks.
@@WilliamBloomquist Simply put, every filter on a digital signal introduces a phase shift. If the phase shift is non-linear (i.e. channel EQs), the original waveform will change its phase in a different manner for different equalisation parameters. So when EQing a signal with two non-linear EQs and mixing the output back into one signal, the resulting waveform will show the effects of mixing two similar but phase distorted sounds. The worst effect is phase cancelation (when the two signals show the exact same frequency but with opposite amplitude), resulting in a zero amplitude signal. Generally speaking, the mixed sound will *always* show some phase distortion effects with non-linear EQs. On the other side, linear EQs don't introduce this kind of phase distorsion. Linear EQs are (obviously) more CPU intensive, so they should be used only when strictly required, such as in the case of the split-processing workflow illustrated. A simple experiment to show this difference is to split a single bass note around 100-200 Hz with two linear and two non linear EQs, do a mixdown of the two waveform and compare (zooming around the same time interval) the linear vs non-linear vs the original one.
@@VincenzoCartelli thank you so much for your thorough answer! It's much appreciated, and that makes a lot of sense. I didnt realize that some EQs will shift the phases of the wave form. That's really really important to know
@@VincenzoCartelli Vincenzo Cartelli thanks for the explanation of what goes on in that situation but can you answer the question he originally asked please because I have the same question? What IS a linear phasr EQ and what is a channel EQ? I'm asking so that I understand what I am using and what it's doing. Thanks a lot!
These techniques are great. I have to say, though, in this particular song I'm not too crazy about the tick on the kick drum. That style of music sounds really neat with just the deep kick. The subtle reverb is okay. 🙂
Is there an option in the upper right hand of the multiband comp in logic? I tried before and don’t see it. Their regular compressors do have something of a freq side chain feature now too.
I've done this a thousand times on bass guitar. Split it and half and saturate the crap out of the high bass. But I haven't considered doing this on kick or toms yet. I will try that. Btw that chorus on the kick verb works very well with your song. I wouldn't do it on most of the music I make, because... Yeah I make metal, my kick is usually going "BRRRRRRRRRRR" and yeah I work with an orchestra as well, so there is not much room for a huge sounding kick.
Hey, I have a question. Does this technique work--or is it necessary--with synth kicks and basses? I feel like there is a lot less variation in the kick, but it might allow one to get a super phat low end without over compressing the top? Also is there an easier way with logic to this with midi instruments? (i've just split two busses-hi and low?)
I'm thinking of doing this with the kick in and kick out tracks. The kick out for the low end and the kick in for the top end. Perhaps EQing it less aggressively.
Is this only for “real” instruments, and not digital instruments/kick drums that have a consistency to them? You mentioned compression on the low end to keep the low end consistent
Splitting sound with 24dB/oct ?? I'm not sure... It's different sound than original (before splitting). This is good technique but devil is in the details.
Good point, in some cases it's important to maintain more of the original sound, but most of the time I don't mind having a little separation. Once you start processing the channels, it's gonna sound different anyway. But I agree 100%, it's important to play with the slope!
1:51 "Sounds like the normal kick drum" I bet it doesn't sound like the original kick drum: minimum phase EQs inherently phase shift, so, NO. Minimum phase pre-ring, so NO. No-no to this technique
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Definitely the best channel for music production I’ve ever found! Thank you for what you do. I can already hear a huge difference in my tracks.
"Who's Hugh...? Definitely don't kick him" that genuinely made me LOL.
We've heard the term SPILT PROCESSING, but this is the first time that we've actually seen the logic and process needed to apply the technique. 👍
It's So Easy To Love these tutorials.
Splitting frequencies with channel EQs will introduce phase distortion around the crossover frequency. Linear phase EQs should be used for this kind of tasks.
What is a linear phase EQ in contrast to a channel EQ?
@@WilliamBloomquist Simply put, every filter on a digital signal introduces a phase shift. If the phase shift is non-linear (i.e. channel EQs), the original waveform will change its phase in a different manner for different equalisation parameters. So when EQing a signal with two non-linear EQs and mixing the output back into one signal, the resulting waveform will show the effects of mixing two similar but phase distorted sounds. The worst effect is phase cancelation (when the two signals show the exact same frequency but with opposite amplitude), resulting in a zero amplitude signal. Generally speaking, the mixed sound will *always* show some phase distortion effects with non-linear EQs. On the other side, linear EQs don't introduce this kind of phase distorsion. Linear EQs are (obviously) more CPU intensive, so they should be used only when strictly required, such as in the case of the split-processing workflow illustrated. A simple experiment to show this difference is to split a single bass note around 100-200 Hz with two linear and two non linear EQs, do a mixdown of the two waveform and compare (zooming around the same time interval) the linear vs non-linear vs the original one.
@@VincenzoCartelli thank you so much for your thorough answer! It's much appreciated, and that makes a lot of sense. I didnt realize that some EQs will shift the phases of the wave form. That's really really important to know
@@VincenzoCartelli Vincenzo Cartelli thanks for the explanation of what goes on in that situation but can you answer the question he originally asked please because I have the same question? What IS a linear phasr EQ and what is a channel EQ? I'm asking so that I understand what I am using and what it's doing. Thanks a lot!
These techniques are great. I have to say, though, in this particular song I'm not too crazy about the tick on the kick drum. That style of music sounds really neat with just the deep kick. The subtle reverb is okay. 🙂
Amazing little trick to add to the mix strategy! Thanks again, Rob!
I really like you explain your stuff. I am big fan.
Glad we could help!
Personally I use the Multiband Compressor in Logic to split signals (with no actual compression obviously). You get a much cleaner crossover imo.
Is there an option in the upper right hand of the multiband comp in logic? I tried before and don’t see it.
Their regular compressors do have something of a freq side chain feature now too.
I've done this a thousand times on bass guitar. Split it and half and saturate the crap out of the high bass. But I haven't considered doing this on kick or toms yet. I will try that. Btw that chorus on the kick verb works very well with your song. I wouldn't do it on most of the music I make, because... Yeah I make metal, my kick is usually going "BRRRRRRRRRRR" and yeah I work with an orchestra as well, so there is not much room for a huge sounding kick.
Are there no phase issues when copying a track and applying different processing on the copied tracks?
Wow, you keep blowing my mind. Incredible videos my man, keep up the great work.
Great video man. I knew the common split frequency technique every one uses for distorted bass guitar, but I never thought about applying it to drums.
Damn, this song is beautiful
Hey, I have a question. Does this technique work--or is it necessary--with synth kicks and basses? I feel like there is a lot less variation in the kick, but it might allow one to get a super phat low end without over compressing the top? Also is there an easier way with logic to this with midi instruments? (i've just split two busses-hi and low?)
Super helpful thanks man
best bro best ! thanks . big fan
I'm thinking of doing this with the kick in and kick out tracks. The kick out for the low end and the kick in for the top end. Perhaps EQing it less aggressively.
Excellent
very cool, I never thought of that
Thanks
love your tutorials. that rbass on kick is nice
Definitely a good teacher here!
yeah this is amazing, put it on my current project and made such a difference!
Thanks for the tips man, cool stuff.
Very Nice Video. I love the new style.
So this is what they used to do before multiband compressors?
Solid thx
Why don't just use multiband compressor?
This is a great video Rob, it helps me to keep focus on. Thanks.
Thank you Rob.
Very nice & original video content. thumbs up!
Do you use/ would you use split processing also for electronic baselines like 808s, wooble Base??
Great question! You definitely could!
Great stuff man!
When will this song you are mixing in the video be available to listen on Spotify? Great Tutorial!
Or you could use fab filter's saturn for this if you have it! Great video, thanks Rob.
Have you tried this trick on drums before? Or is it new to you? Leave a comment!
Love this tip! Thanks buddy
Excellent video! 🔥 This is a very effective method, thanks for the great info ✌✊🎶
Is this only for “real” instruments, and not digital instruments/kick drums that have a consistency to them? You mentioned compression on the low end to keep the low end consistent
very useful video. love your explanations. thanks for posting! :)
No problem!
How do I get the basics down? Do you have basic drum recording videos?
nice idea :-)
How did he move the aux track so easily?
Sir would you please turn on the auto-script-funtion button ?
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How was the Bus moved in 13:51 ?
this seems like its very effective but also very time consuming
WAIT… How’d you just move a channel in Logic?????????? That is one of my biggest complaints.😊
So from 6:20 he just throws a bit wonderwall in there?
Are you also using Sonarworks for your HD650? :D
Yep!
Damn it. I've just run out of ink. Thanks for the videos. Peace.
My pleasure!
song makes me think of toy story for some reason
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Splitting sound with 24dB/oct ?? I'm not sure... It's different sound than original (before splitting). This is good technique but devil is in the details.
Good point, in some cases it's important to maintain more of the original sound, but most of the time I don't mind having a little separation. Once you start processing the channels, it's gonna sound different anyway.
But I agree 100%, it's important to play with the slope!
@@masteringcom Hello, is this different from multiband compression/saturation? Thanks
Poor Hugh :')
Nah, it's alright - he got a kick out of it.
content is valuable. the 80s video effect annoys me though. I don't know why. :)
Haha, fair enough
I love the effect
Maybe coz it annoyed us in the 80's as well. :)
I was worried that this video would be stupid. It's not.
1:51 "Sounds like the normal kick drum" I bet it doesn't sound like the original kick drum: minimum phase EQs inherently phase shift, so, NO. Minimum phase pre-ring, so NO. No-no to this technique