My heart goes out to this young man. You don't need social media for family members to be hateful to other family members, I can assure you from personal experience. It's sad that he felt the need to remove himself from his family register and perhaps that indicates this is a deeper problem that he has let on. I wish him success and happiness for his future.
There's something fishy here & it ain't sushi. If you're the mother or grandmother of two boys who've gone to a heya going to trash-talk them on social media? No. If one ESCAPES, is his BROTHER going to VOLUNTARILY go try to force him to come back? No. Is the father going to suddenly start cyber-bullying kids? No. Is the brother who didn't get away going to VOLUNTARILY try to get his parents' legal rights taken away, leaving himself at the COMPLETE mercy of the stable master. No! The police need to get to that "heya" NOW.
Parents can be assholes to their children and do things that normal families just cannot believe they woul do. Would you think a mother would deliberately con her newly widowed daughter out of money with lies? Well, that's what happened to me. Mother's aren't always the fluffy loving parents we are led to believe they are.
Not sure abuse on social media was the correct channel for mum and grandma to take, maybe seeing a legal professional themselves and investigating out of the public eye to avoid the stress on their kids? Either way its less than ideal for everyone involved.
Which is more likely? The brother, mother, father, grandma being absolute psychos for no reason? Or a young man who loves sumo, sticking with an abusive heya, defending the place that allows him to continue to stay with the sport?
Or a family over-reacting based on exaggerations from one snowflake child and not listening to the other? I'm not taking an opinion either way until more information comes out.
Really sad to see a guy reject his own family for them being upset at what treatment their younger son received and maybe the older brother might think that treatment is fair or normal but for the parents they don't see it that way. It's also pretty awkward for him to basically call his younger sibling a liar. I don't know what went on behind those closed doors, but sumo already has a culture of bullying and hierarchy that creates tension amongst newer disciples and older ones so there's a chance that that experience wore on the young man, and he couldn't cope with it. Especially when the JSA has been trying to forge a very decidedly anti-bullying appearance of sumo whilst being unwilling to remove some of its very archaic traditions that has led to things like a certain Ozeki forcing someone to drink excessively? Either way I hope they make up as they clearly care about their son's wellbeing even if that's at the expense of his stable. I'm sure they're worried about him in the future living there. Also, I just want to say that yes there may not be solid proof of anything going on beyond what the family says but with how many scandals has hot the sport i would not be shocked if it is true. The sport has the face it does for a reason. I even have to curb my belief in channels like Futagoyama Beya's channel because what is seen on the cameras may not always be the reality for lower ranked wrestlers and social media has given platform to only showing the best sides of people.
Why do you assume there was bullying? Sumo is a tough, weird life, and not everyone can take it. There is no shame in a kid deciding that it's not for him--a lot of youngsters drop out in the first year or two. He wasn't very big. He never got out of Jonidan. Maybe after 14 basho he decided that he was wasting his time. If the parents and grandma had specific allegations, why did they hide behind anonymous accounts? Older brother is not highly ranked either (Jd18 and due a promotion), and gets the same treatment and lives the same lifestyle. He is clearly happy where he is, and acutely embarrassed by his family's behavior. Do you think he is lying? Maybe Mom and Dad think they are looking out for his welfare, but maybe they just can't stand it that their son is living his own life as he sees fit.
@@LauraJdogmom That's just it. The accounts were anonymous. The statements could have been made by anyone. It sets up a scenario where kids' relatives are made to seem like bullies & the stable master is made to look like the "safe" adult who has their best interest at heart. I don't buy it.
@@AlmostAeroGaugethat goes both ways, you have no more reason to believe the stable over the family. And he has a point that sumo stables have been not exactly strangers to abuse
How did the "abuse" continue for long enough that anyone felt the need to investigate? You just block/mute, no? Like Chris Sumo does on patreon over perceived slights
Nothing. The accounts are all anonymous. All we know is that one teen escaped & the other is "saying" it's the parents who are the bad guys & even disowning his family. I don't believe his the teen's words or actions are his own.
I don't care what are the circumstances, any cult-like behaviour of an organisation that leads to individuals cutting ties to their families SHOULD be strictly reneged and investigated. It is NOT ok to tolerate cult-like behaviour inside sumo.
@@ThekiBoran the stable de facto forcing the wrestler to cut down ties with his family and denounce it is the definition of a cult. That's how cults take over the free will of individuals
@@xyzzyx7812 Doesn't sound like the stable forced Mikinosato to do anything. Maybe, just maybe, the parents are in the wrong here. People cut ties with family for all sorts of reasons.
@@LauraJdogmom or maybe, just maybe the authoritarian management at the stable, that already caused one brother to run away, that is fully consistent with the harassment stories prelevant throughout sumo, IS the one demanding the brother to cut ties with his family or else!
Yes...and no. They should be proud that their sons tried to do something that they knew would be hard. They should be worried that their sons could be forced or manipulated into ANYTHING and nobody would know.
@@kaiwoessner6558 Agree, Mom and Dad sound like control freaks who resent their kid having a life of his own. If he says his parents are pulling allegations out of their posteriors, I believe him. He sounds happy.
O.K. First of all. Idiotic agism is not a good look. Second, if you're loyal to people under 20, why aren't you helping get your comrades out of that "heya." If anybody's young enough to deserve your respect, aren't teenagers, or do you only take people seriously up until the age they're fully toilet trained?
@@RandomPersonUDontKnow Stfu with the 'ism' nonsense. I'm giving my observation of what I have witnessed on social media when it comes to people from the Boomer and Silent generations.
Obviously there is more behind the scenes information that we are not exposed to. It is sad that this is the reality.
My heart goes out to this young man. You don't need social media for family members to be hateful to other family members, I can assure you from personal experience.
It's sad that he felt the need to remove himself from his family register and perhaps that indicates this is a deeper problem that he has let on.
I wish him success and happiness for his future.
Even grandmas are hating nowadays on the internets. What a world to live in.
I block mine on Facebook. No joke.
@@joeledelman5182 Yes, you are a joke.
I don't think the official story is the truth.
Families are complicated. As the old saying goes "You can choose your friends, but not your family". I hope they all get the help they need.
There's something fishy here & it ain't sushi. If you're the mother or grandmother of two boys who've gone to a heya going to trash-talk them on social media? No. If one ESCAPES, is his BROTHER going to VOLUNTARILY go try to force him to come back? No. Is the father going to suddenly start cyber-bullying kids? No. Is the brother who didn't get away going to VOLUNTARILY try to get his parents' legal rights taken away, leaving himself at the COMPLETE mercy of the stable master. No! The police need to get to that "heya" NOW.
Sometimes families are a mess. Not everyone is a good person.
Actually the answer is "sometime yes" to any of those questions.
Parents can be assholes to their children and do things that normal families just cannot believe they woul do.
Would you think a mother would deliberately con her newly widowed daughter out of money with lies? Well, that's what happened to me. Mother's aren't always the fluffy loving parents we are led to believe they are.
Fantastic work. Much appreciated 👍
Is there not a place where family can lodge concerns? Or are they ignored to the point that they take to the internet?
The only reason they finally did something about Hokuseiho was racism against Hakuho.
After hearing the entire story, I must say their take on social media is quite apt.
I really appreciate your thoughtful and insightful reporting. Thank you for bringing these news stories to an English speaking audience!
I love how you include a wide range of sumo interviews and topics, including this painful personal matter. Thank you so much, Chris.
Thanks!
Very kind of you. Thanks once more. 😀
Not sure abuse on social media was the correct channel for mum and grandma to take, maybe seeing a legal professional themselves and investigating out of the public eye to avoid the stress on their kids? Either way its less than ideal for everyone involved.
This whole story doesn't pass the smell test. Something stinks and I don't think it’s the fish.
Which is more likely? The brother, mother, father, grandma being absolute psychos for no reason?
Or a young man who loves sumo, sticking with an abusive heya, defending the place that allows him to continue to stay with the sport?
Or a family over-reacting based on exaggerations from one snowflake child and not listening to the other? I'm not taking an opinion either way until more information comes out.
Really sad to see a guy reject his own family for them being upset at what treatment their younger son received and maybe the older brother might think that treatment is fair or normal but for the parents they don't see it that way. It's also pretty awkward for him to basically call his younger sibling a liar. I don't know what went on behind those closed doors, but sumo already has a culture of bullying and hierarchy that creates tension amongst newer disciples and older ones so there's a chance that that experience wore on the young man, and he couldn't cope with it. Especially when the JSA has been trying to forge a very decidedly anti-bullying appearance of sumo whilst being unwilling to remove some of its very archaic traditions that has led to things like a certain Ozeki forcing someone to drink excessively? Either way I hope they make up as they clearly care about their son's wellbeing even if that's at the expense of his stable. I'm sure they're worried about him in the future living there.
Also, I just want to say that yes there may not be solid proof of anything going on beyond what the family says but with how many scandals has hot the sport i would not be shocked if it is true. The sport has the face it does for a reason. I even have to curb my belief in channels like Futagoyama Beya's channel because what is seen on the cameras may not always be the reality for lower ranked wrestlers and social media has given platform to only showing the best sides of people.
Why do you assume there was bullying? Sumo is a tough, weird life, and not everyone can take it. There is no shame in a kid deciding that it's not for him--a lot of youngsters drop out in the first year or two. He wasn't very big. He never got out of Jonidan. Maybe after 14 basho he decided that he was wasting his time. If the parents and grandma had specific allegations, why did they hide behind anonymous accounts? Older brother is not highly ranked either (Jd18 and due a promotion), and gets the same treatment and lives the same lifestyle. He is clearly happy where he is, and acutely embarrassed by his family's behavior. Do you think he is lying? Maybe Mom and Dad think they are looking out for his welfare, but maybe they just can't stand it that their son is living his own life as he sees fit.
@@LauraJdogmom Because he didn't start following sumo yesterday?
@@LauraJdogmom That's just it. The accounts were anonymous. The statements could have been made by anyone. It sets up a scenario where kids' relatives are made to seem like bullies & the stable master is made to look like the "safe" adult who has their best interest at heart. I don't buy it.
Sad.
as a D1 social media hater, you have to respect your family
bro that is some crazy.
very sad.
So the mother and grandmother and father don't want the male heirs to be sumo wrestling. Wonder if sumo wrestling organizations are also cultish?
Still love you Chris 😊🎉 and wow, how terrible and sad. Thank you for your videos.
Everyone knows what sumo's like let's not pretend something bad didn't go on for the mum and grandma to react like that
unfortunately until a 3rd party comes forward with more info we are in he said/she said territory
Stop the nonsense where one party is automatically in the right just because your emotions tell you it to be so.
@@AlmostAeroGaugeWesties wanna hate the JSA all faults forever for snubbing their princess Hakuho.
@@AlmostAeroGaugethat goes both ways, you have no more reason to believe the stable over the family. And he has a point that sumo stables have been not exactly strangers to abuse
@@malapertfourohfour2112 Okay racist.
From your own family...........................JUST SAD !!
It would be sad. It would also be more than a little strange. Somethings not adding up.
How did the "abuse" continue for long enough that anyone felt the need to investigate? You just block/mute, no? Like Chris Sumo does on patreon over perceived slights
Another day of bizarre sumo drama
Any able to explain the family registry thing?
I think the picture in the video was not of Takanosato but of Mienoumi.
“My bad yall, my mom and my grandma tripping.”
Blimey. That's extreme.
How can you do this.. great maturity from the wrestlers, poor guys
I don't doubt their maturity. I doubt their consent. These kids are being forced into something, but nobody knows what...yet.
every lie, has some truth to it. we all know how hard the daily sumo lifestyle is. Lets just hope the truth was spoken from the investigators
Sure it was.
Ingot this feeling that it's not the family posting but people posing as the family.
How sad. Wonder if it’s a golden child/scapegoat dynamic?
I wonder if it's something else entirely.
These comments seem a little… *un-stable* …
(See what I did there?)
First time I found your report to be click bait. Don't see how this is sumo news , just drama.
Brutal
New level of low and sadness. Wtf is wrong with this parents
Ya! How dare they be worried for their child's safety?!
There are three sides to every story.
Nothing. The accounts are all anonymous. All we know is that one teen escaped & the other is "saying" it's the parents who are the bad guys & even disowning his family. I don't believe his the teen's words or actions are his own.
I don't care what are the circumstances, any cult-like behaviour of an organisation that leads to individuals cutting ties to their families SHOULD be strictly reneged and investigated. It is NOT ok to tolerate cult-like behaviour inside sumo.
Where's the evidence that sumo is a cult?
@@ThekiBoran the stable de facto forcing the wrestler to cut down ties with his family and denounce it is the definition of a cult. That's how cults take over the free will of individuals
Some families can be cults.
@@xyzzyx7812 Doesn't sound like the stable forced Mikinosato to do anything. Maybe, just maybe, the parents are in the wrong here. People cut ties with family for all sorts of reasons.
@@LauraJdogmom or maybe, just maybe the authoritarian management at the stable, that already caused one brother to run away, that is fully consistent with the harassment stories prelevant throughout sumo, IS the one demanding the brother to cut ties with his family or else!
Damn it elon
Shouldn't the parents be proud that their sons are doing sumo?
Yes...and no. They should be proud that their sons tried to do something that they knew would be hard. They should be worried that their sons could be forced or manipulated into ANYTHING and nobody would know.
lmao
could you imagine siding with a sport over your family?!
Imagine a family trying to sabotage their son’s career, it’s not the sport over the family, it’s a son against terrible parents.
@@kaiwoessner6558 pretty hot take tbh
@@kaiwoessner6558 Agree, Mom and Dad sound like control freaks who resent their kid having a life of his own. If he says his parents are pulling allegations out of their posteriors, I believe him. He sounds happy.
Yes, some families are horrible.
@@kaiwoessner6558 That's exactly what someone WANTS the world to imagine. The only question is why?
Old people and social media don't mix. Boomers and Silent Generation...
O.K. First of all. Idiotic agism is not a good look. Second, if you're loyal to people under 20, why aren't you helping get your comrades out of that "heya." If anybody's young enough to deserve your respect, aren't teenagers, or do you only take people seriously up until the age they're fully toilet trained?
@@RandomPersonUDontKnow Stfu with the 'ism' nonsense. I'm giving my observation of what I have witnessed on social media when it comes to people from the Boomer and Silent generations.
Thanks!
Sorry to have been away for so long - unavoidable given November schedule!