thankyou , kartwheelkarl for doing this , i have been dying to see somebody show alot about tully and it almost brought me to tears of joy ...people just seem to want to show 5 minates of that beautiful place and thats not even a lick of what tully is about . so thankyou very , very much for putting this up mate ...
wow can you believe this , i used to walk around inside this place when i was 6 years old and loved it ,,, and seem so normal i just can't imagine a 6 year old walking around in that place without having a heart attack ...but i am glad i did when i did it was amazing ....
Why on earth were you in there aged six James? Did someone you know work there? I think company run tours of the works so maybe you could check it out if you’re in the area.
Never ever. They use trucks to get the material from the field to the "train station". These 4-axle-trucks carry 2 bins! The big rigs are good for 3 to 5 bins. A standard train has between 50 to 100 bins, which translates to 10 to 20 semis..... But it doesnt end there. The biggest train I know of is a train that runs on the lines of AFAIK Sarina Mill. it hat 1 loco at the front and one as radio controlled distributed power in the midle of the train and a radio controlled brake van at the end. The whole thing has around 350 bins, a bin carries around 5 to sugar cane, therefore the whole train carries about 1750 to cane!
@@kartwheelkarl They certainly are more cost efficient than trucks. It would take a lot of trucks and drivers to haul all that cane. Did they save any of the old steam locomotives?
@@klbird I know of four operational ex cane train locos in this area Ken. The Bally Hooley Railway in Port Douglas has three of them, two of which (Speedy and Nelson) feature in a selection of videos I made on the Bally Hooley that can be found on my Cane Trains playlist. The fourth is preserved by Wilmar Sugar at Ingham. You can see it on static dispay at the end of my film on Cane Trains around Ingham. It is operation, but it only comes out to play very occasionally, such as on the Saturday morning of the annual Italian Festival.
I honestly can't say I've counted the number of wagons Ken...there were that many! As you say, the loco must do all of the braking because, to the best of my knowledge, the bins are unbraked and at Tully they don't use RC brake vans on the back.
During the peak of the crush Larry. Did you get to see a lot of cane trains working? Pre-Covid, Tully Mill used to do public tours. Not sure whether they’ve started up again or not but I’d love to go on one.
@@larry92adventure65 That’s a shame Larry. When the mill is in full swing, it’s an unbelievably busy place. Believe it or not, I captured most of this footage within a two hour window whilst passing through on my way north.
It looks to me that this diesel locomotive has dual controls meaning the engineer can operate from both sides of the cab. I noticed that the brakeman moved from the right side to left side after he threw that ground throw switch.
Good spot Robert. Cant say I’d picked up on that one. I wonder whether the flexibility is because the second crew member is hopping on and off so much. They leave the main rake on the mainline each time they arrive at a spur line (off which there are lots!) whilst they trundle off to collect extra loaded bins. The new bins are then attached to the front of the train and off they go.
I'd have to pass that question on to the experts Desi, and I would imagine there would be a lot of variables in play like gradients, curves, weather conditions, loco type, etc. But watching these trains pass by, there certainly seems to be a lot of wagons in a fully loaded consist!
@@trainnerd3029 The car in the video was mine at the time TN. In a rush to jump out and get the shot I’d accidentally parked in the way, so I decided to make it part of the scene. It’s actually a 1.8L injection hatch back - a great little car indeed but not a pick up , or Ute as they’re referred to here in Aus.
Lines radiate from mills for miles - these are seriously extensive networks. I'd estimate the Tulley Mills longest mainline at about 50km, but that's a guess. Happy for someone to give me a more accurate figure. But there are so many branch lines, let alone temporary lines, that it would be impossible to calculate the exact track mileage I think.
Not sure on that one Juk, interesting question. Given the length and weight, you'd think they would be, but then the whole operation is very industrial, so I'm guessing they're not. In some cases (such as the Pioneer Valley near Mackay), the individual wagons are brought from the fields on trailers hauled by tractors, and placed on raised lengths of track. From there, they're picked up three at a time by trucks and taken to rail marshaling yards from where they're put into longer trains for onward haulage to the mill. At no stage are brakes pumped off, hence I'm guessing they're unfitted. But if someone knows otherwise, I'd love to know.
@@kartwheelkarl Sugar cane bins are certainly not fitted with brakes of any kind ... many of the big locos at sugar mills have a remotely controlled brake wagon at the rear of the rake ... depends mostly on topography.
The track is two foot gauge Dave, but I'm not sure of the coupling type. I'd assumed it was simple pin and hook, but I'm probably very wrong in that. I don't think the bins are braked.
Some mills still have link & pin as you see with Tully Sugar but most mill use Wilison type auto couplers and Racecourse Mill and Bingera Mill are the only 2 mills that use Dumbell type couplings
Unfortunately Jared, I can't answer your questions. But there are a lot of viewers out there with more knowledge than me so I'm pretty certain someone will be able to help. I seem to think some of the 0-6-0 locos were built by Clyde, but I stand to be corrected.
@@jaredztrainz5220 Hi Jared, the locos are diesel hydraulic and have truck type engines. Some of the Tully units are ex Queensland Rail "DH" locos which had CAT V8 engines and were 3'6" gauge and were converted to 2 foot. Many have been repowed with modern engines so it's hard to get info on them . Cheers Gregg.
They sound like trucks because they are small diesel engines that you would find in alot of road trucks. These are far too small for the v12 or v16 diesels of the mainlines
You and me both Samuel. The poor sugar cane farmers seem to cop it from all directions don’t they. All of the talk recently has been about how run off from farming in the north is affecting the Barrier Reef. I’m afraid I don’t have enough expertise in any of these areas to make an informed comment, but I certainly enjoy watching and filming the cane train operations. I find them absolutely fascinating.
@@kartwheelkarl I find it hard to believe there would be much of an effect, runoff-wise. The Mississippi has a much smaller deadzone, and it has the runoff of the largest and most agriculturally productive area on earth. Maybe the corals are sensitive enough to be impacted, but I would think that rising temperatures, increased CO2 acidification, and plastic waste would be a much more impactful threat.
@@userequaltoNull Interesting points Samuel. Thank you. As I said, I’m afraid I don’t have any expertise in the area, so I can’t really comment. But I do know that there have been many news articles talking about farming runoff affecting the coral. I’m just worried about the farms commitment to railways. Many of the mills still have extensive rail networks but a few have gone over to road haulage. I hope they don’t all decide to do the same.
How sweet it is. Wonderful railroad to model in most popular scales. Cheers!
Absolutely LC. I'd love to see a layout modelling this operation. It really is fascinating.
thankyou , kartwheelkarl for doing this , i have been dying to see somebody show alot about tully and it almost brought me to tears of joy ...people just seem to want to show 5 minates of that beautiful place and thats not even a lick of what tully is about . so thankyou very , very much for putting this up mate ...
You are more than welcome James. I'm hoping to get back there at some point to film in more detail still.
Great video mate 🎉
Cheers AO. Glad you enjoyed it.
wow can you believe this , i used to walk around inside this place when i was 6 years old and loved it ,,, and seem so normal i just can't imagine a 6 year old walking around in that place without having a heart attack ...but i am glad i did when i did it was amazing ....
How long are these cane trains
Why on earth were you in there aged six James? Did someone you know work there? I think company run tours of the works so maybe you could check it out if you’re in the area.
@@kartwheelkarl i was just six years old mate , it just something to do ,,
Very cool, great catch!
Thanks TFS. Glad you enjoyed he film.
It is often that you see a “Y” in use anymore.. really neat way to turn engine around or to access another track.
Cool thanks mate
Glad you enjoyed the video Matt. Thanks for the comment.
Thats a big loco for such a small gauge. But i love the design of it, perfect for what i would want for my layout.
There are indeed really large locos for 2 foot gauge Justin, and I couldn’t believe how spacious the cabs are.
funny that all the odd numbered "Tullys" are more like American switchers, and even numbered "Tullys" are more British like shunters.
Way more efficient than trucking it, one trainload I should say would be 2-5 truck loads.
I couldn’t agree more Joshua. We’re very lucky that the mills here in NQ have chosen to keep the rail networks operational.
Unique railway.
Never ever. They use trucks to get the material from the field to the "train station". These 4-axle-trucks carry 2 bins! The big rigs are good for 3 to 5 bins. A standard train has between 50 to 100 bins, which translates to 10 to 20 semis.....
But it doesnt end there. The biggest train I know of is a train that runs on the lines of AFAIK Sarina Mill. it hat 1 loco at the front and one as radio controlled distributed power in the midle of the train and a radio controlled brake van at the end.
The whole thing has around 350 bins, a bin carries around 5 to sugar cane, therefore the whole train carries about 1750 to cane!
@@pearlyhumbucker9065 wow! Those are serious numbers Pearly. I knew the trains carried a lot, but I didn’t realise how much. Thank you for the info.
All of the US sugar railroads in the south went to trucks in the 1960s.
Absolutely Ken. We’re very lucky that the mills here in NQ have chosen to keep the rail networks operational.
@@kartwheelkarl They certainly are more cost efficient than trucks. It would take a lot of trucks and drivers to haul all that cane. Did they save any of the old steam locomotives?
@@klbird I know of four operational ex cane train locos in this area Ken. The Bally Hooley Railway in Port Douglas has three of them, two of which (Speedy and Nelson) feature in a selection of videos I made on the Bally Hooley that can be found on my Cane Trains playlist. The fourth is preserved by Wilmar Sugar at Ingham. You can see it on static dispay at the end of my film on Cane Trains around Ingham. It is operation, but it only comes out to play very occasionally, such as on the Saturday morning of the annual Italian Festival.
Not very fuel efficient. Is it?
Brakes must be on the engine only. Lost count of the cars. How many were there?
I honestly can't say I've counted the number of wagons Ken...there were that many! As you say, the loco must do all of the braking because, to the best of my knowledge, the bins are unbraked and at Tully they don't use RC brake vans on the back.
30 plus easy.
I was around there in the September holidays
During the peak of the crush Larry. Did you get to see a lot of cane trains working? Pre-Covid, Tully Mill used to do public tours. Not sure whether they’ve started up again or not but I’d love to go on one.
@@kartwheelkarl I would to, but we where there for like and hour or 2 but unfortunately we still didn’t really see them
@@larry92adventure65 That’s a shame Larry. When the mill is in full swing, it’s an unbelievably busy place. Believe it or not, I captured most of this footage within a two hour window whilst passing through on my way north.
@@kartwheelkarl oh ok I’m happy that you could see them but one day I’ll get up there again
It looks to me that this diesel locomotive has dual controls meaning the engineer can operate from both sides of the cab. I noticed that the brakeman moved from the right side to left side after he threw that ground throw switch.
Good spot Robert. Cant say I’d picked up on that one. I wonder whether the flexibility is because the second crew member is hopping on and off so much. They leave the main rake on the mainline each time they arrive at a spur line (off which there are lots!) whilst they trundle off to collect extra loaded bins. The new bins are then attached to the front of the train and off they go.
Donde es esa empresa q pais
está en el norte de queensland, Australia, Elias.
sorry when i am talking about that 6 year old thing , the place i am talking about is the mill..
How many cane wagons one locomotive can pull?
I'd have to pass that question on to the experts Desi, and I would imagine there would be a lot of variables in play like gradients, curves, weather conditions, loco type, etc. But watching these trains pass by, there certainly seems to be a lot of wagons in a fully loaded consist!
12:52 what kind of car was that?
Hyundai i30
They must have different versions because that one looks like it had a pick up truck back. Neat little car. Thanks for the response
@@trainnerd3029 The car in the video was mine at the time TN. In a rush to jump out and get the shot I’d accidentally parked in the way, so I decided to make it part of the scene. It’s actually a 1.8L injection hatch back - a great little car indeed but not a pick up , or Ute as they’re referred to here in Aus.
De onde é esse vídeo
Queensland do norte da Austrália ETT
De que país você é
Originalmente o Reino Unido ETT
Two foot gauge???
Indeed it is
Muito bom
Obrigado
Very cool video . How far can / will they go to get a load of cane ?
Lines radiate from mills for miles - these are seriously extensive networks. I'd estimate the Tulley Mills longest mainline at about 50km, but that's a guess. Happy for someone to give me a more accurate figure. But there are so many branch lines, let alone temporary lines, that it would be impossible to calculate the exact track mileage I think.
That's one loooong cane train!
@@newzealandearthmover4008 If you are talking about Tully cane trains they are only babies compared to what is run at Marian and Farleigh mills.
Are these trains fitted with continuous brakes?
Not sure on that one Juk, interesting question. Given the length and weight, you'd think they would be, but then the whole operation is very industrial, so I'm guessing they're not. In some cases (such as the Pioneer Valley near Mackay), the individual wagons are brought from the fields on trailers hauled by tractors, and placed on raised lengths of track. From there, they're picked up three at a time by trucks and taken to rail marshaling yards from where they're put into longer trains for onward haulage to the mill. At no stage are brakes pumped off, hence I'm guessing they're unfitted. But if someone knows otherwise, I'd love to know.
@@kartwheelkarl Sugar cane bins are certainly not fitted with brakes of any kind ... many of the big locos at sugar mills have a remotely controlled brake wagon at the rear of the rake ... depends mostly on topography.
No there is only brakes on the loco and on the brake van if they have one.
@@russellanderson3298 Thanks for clearing that up Russel. I’d guessed as much but it’s nice to hear for sure.
@@brianmillar5075 Thanks for clearing that up Brian. I’d guessed as much but it’s nice to hear for sure.
What's the track gauge and what type of couplers ?
The track is two foot gauge Dave, but I'm not sure of the coupling type. I'd assumed it was simple pin and hook, but I'm probably very wrong in that. I don't think the bins are braked.
Some mills still have link & pin as you see with Tully Sugar but most mill use Wilison type auto couplers and Racecourse Mill and Bingera Mill are the only 2 mills that use Dumbell type couplings
@@brianmillar5075 Thanks for the information Brian. I didn’t realise that different mills use different systems.
These locomotives sound more like trucks?? What are they? Who built them and where can I find more info? Also curious-- where is the fuel tanks?
Unfortunately Jared, I can't answer your questions. But there are a lot of viewers out there with more knowledge than me so I'm pretty certain someone will be able to help. I seem to think some of the 0-6-0 locos were built by Clyde, but I stand to be corrected.
@@kartwheelkarl it's ok-- I've searched -- haven't found much-- looks like an interesting operation
@@jaredztrainz5220 Hi Jared, the locos are diesel hydraulic and have truck type engines. Some of the Tully units are ex Queensland Rail "DH" locos which had CAT V8 engines and were 3'6" gauge and were converted to 2 foot. Many have been repowed with modern engines so it's hard to get info on them .
Cheers Gregg.
@@FishplateFilms yeah they needed to remove the old 3208 cat motors. They were ok but not great. Big end bearing are on the small side.
They sound like trucks because they are small diesel engines that you would find in alot of road trucks. These are far too small for the v12 or v16 diesels of the mainlines
How are the cars unloaded?
In a rotary dump.
@@liamcooper5202 A ‘rotary dump’ Liam? Does that mean each wagon is tipped upside down?
@@kartwheelkarl pretty much, yeah.
Curioso isso
Na verdade e
I hope all this carbon neutral by 2030 doesn't end up being the final kick in the guts for the Australian sugar industry.
You and me both Samuel. The poor sugar cane farmers seem to cop it from all directions don’t they. All of the talk recently has been about how run off from farming in the north is affecting the Barrier Reef. I’m afraid I don’t have enough expertise in any of these areas to make an informed comment, but I certainly enjoy watching and filming the cane train operations. I find them absolutely fascinating.
@@kartwheelkarl I find it hard to believe there would be much of an effect, runoff-wise. The Mississippi has a much smaller deadzone, and it has the runoff of the largest and most agriculturally productive area on earth. Maybe the corals are sensitive enough to be impacted, but I would think that rising temperatures, increased CO2 acidification, and plastic waste would be a much more impactful threat.
@@userequaltoNull Interesting points Samuel. Thank you. As I said, I’m afraid I don’t have any expertise in the area, so I can’t really comment. But I do know that there have been many news articles talking about farming runoff affecting the coral. I’m just worried about the farms commitment to railways. Many of the mills still have extensive rail networks but a few have gone over to road haulage. I hope they don’t all decide to do the same.
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