The biggest lie us fans are telling ourselves after EVERY show is "Man, the show wasn't great, but it set up so much cool stuff so the next show will be awesome." And around and around we go. 😢
@@Within_Cells_Interlinked I think that is the hardest part.... getting very brief flashes of what could be.... and then back to what we are getting...
This is why I’m starting to hate the whole interconnected universe trend. The more we rely on other projects to fill in the gaps, it encourages shoddy storytelling
If for a series to be good we have to actively ignore its flaws and hope that what comes next will be better, then perhaps the series is not as good as we might believe.
Thank you. I've watched so many people say that they're willing to forgive shortcomings in story and characters because there's potentially more exciting material down the line. And I'm like "What about right now?" I'm not against the idea of cool set ups for the future but let's at least give the audience something feature complete and satisfying first.
It’s always the same argument, it is not as bad as Boba Fett, and it actually had its moments, but this series had so much more potential… like a lot of SW content lately. I agree with 99,9% of what Thor is saying about the Ashoka Series. This should have been amazing, not less, and it clearly wasnt.
Star Wars fans will always give Star Wars content a chance. No one is rooting for it to fail. I almost pray going into these shows that they’ll be good or great. Who wouldn’t want that ? But when they make beloved characters hard to cheer for and then stupid action scenes it just gets you almost angry at the missed opportunities for awesomeness
Plenty of 'fans' are rooting for DISNEY Star Wars to fail, you must be living under a rock if you can't see that. The same 'fans' that claim shows like Ahsoka, Bobba Fett or Obi-Wan retconned or generally lacked quality (justifiably) denounce Andor as "not Star Wars enough" or "boring" (complete horseshit). The objective fans are increasingly a minority and THAT'S a problem. I've criticised Thor on occasion but he's generally very objective.
I am rooting Disney Culture Wars to fail. Why watch your beloved franchise paraded around like an undead marionette? An analogy if you will, if you love your grandmother, you wouldn't want corporation to dig her body up, and resurrect her as zombified body and claim she was just as good as before. Oh, and call you rascist for not liking your new zombie grandmama.
@@matiasluukkanen7718 Who's going to take up the franchise then? You? You have no F idea what the future of this franchise is outside of Disney and neither do I. BEST we can do is criticise where it's due and praise where it's due. Currently, Disney Star Wars looks to be on life support but there's no clear path ahead for the future of Star Wars outside of Disney so we can only HOPE that they F listen. Otherwise the only future is enjoying the Star Wars that we have always enjoyed. That's IT and we can do that anyway no matter what trash Disney churns out.
The low score might mean some fans are entering the “hate watch” phase of fandom. In there, only 5-star quality can drag you out, otherwise 1-4 stars all appear 1-star. It eventually burns out into the “ex-fan” stage (not watching).
@@ian-flanagan That describes me pretty well, I guess. Though it doesn't take 5 star content necessarily to drag me out. Hate watched Episode 9, the Kenobi series, most of Mando season 3 and the last two episodes of Ahsoka. Enjoyed Mandalorian seasons 1-2 (which are definitely not 5 star content) and Andor. And I was simply meh about Book of Boba Fett.
Id assume alot of fans have entered the not watching stage. After seeing Boba Fett, couldn't believe how bad it was. Then the Mando episodes in Boba Fett were fantastic and i was back in, then the final episode with Boba returning and Grogu returning to Din was just horrible. Their story had finished, i was looking forward to bounty hunter Mando. Obi Wan was awful, Andor was surprising really good. I had lost interest in season 3 of Mando knowing Grogu would be in it and when i watched the first episode it really was terrible. Have not watched Ashoka.
"A lot of good ideas cancelled out by bad ones" describes my view as well, but yes, the last two episodes, especially the finale, should've been done better. It wouldn't even need major fixes: 1- An actually competent, smart Thrawn, 2- more urgency and 3- a better handling of Ezra/Sabine. that would've made this go from a 6/10 to an 8/10 for me. What bothers me is that you'd think there was someone looking over what Filoni had written and said "fix these areas and we're gtg" but there didn't appear to be that type of person. When I wrote a very basic Christmas play years ago, I had someone trustworthy go over my script and point out things that didn't make sense or could be executed better, and it made a huge difference, so it boggles the mind that Disney, with all its $ millions, didn't have anyone with the ability to go over the writing, recognize obvious and glaring flaws, and then fix them.
Ray Stevenson and Hayden Christensen were the only highlight of the entire show, that's about it. I gotta be honest, this show was a misfire. So many questions left unanswered, All the plot conveniences holding everything together just made me roll my eyes like "what?" And they completely undercut the drama. The stakes are nonexistent since the main characters have way too much plot armor, the acting and dialogue for the most part comes off as very wooden and one note, the characters were done dirty just as I feared ( Sabine was done the worst ), and the emotional impact that these characters should've had with their reunions fell very flat. Even the lightsaber effects in this show is inconsistent. At time's, the blades look way too stiff when they wave them around and the colors look so dull, while others times, they look colorful and flashy.
The biggest problem I had with the finale is that they act like Thrawn getting back to the main galaxy, never freaking happened. Imagine if bad batch season two ended with hunter, wrecker, echo and azi 3 celebrating, and congratulating themselves, after they escape the Empire even though they 1: lost tech 2: lost omega and 3: ultimately failed their mission in trying to find and rescue crosshair…
People seem to have caught on to the awkward dialogue pauses and the plot contrivances. But I hardly ever see people talk about the choreography. The sheer clumsiness is astounding. It's honestly worse than Vader vs. Obi-Wan in the original. At least the original made up for the lackluster choreography by building tension between swings. In Ahsoka, they clumsily spin around like elementary schoolers playing Star Wars in the back yard (except Hayden ofc). There's one point where she punches her arm forward with the blade facing the other way. What on earth is the point of that move?
I think the reason BoBF scored better is because it came out earlier, whilst there was still more goodwill and more people who basically automatically liked it. There are fewer of those people now, and if the two had swapped places I'm willing to bet BoBF would be considerably lower.
I ranked BoBF over Ahsoka. BoBF was a mess and had some terrible parts. But some of it worked, and plenty of it was enjoyable. Ahsoka was just a dull, pointless slog for me.
With the exception of Clone Wars, Rebels, Andor and Rogue one its been the best show and content we've gotten. You can tell it comes from a place of love which is more then anyone can say for the Sequels. Which beside comparisons seems to have been kinda left and forgotten lol.
I don't think it's as bad as many people say though I don't think it's quite mind-blowing. Here's my ranking: 1. Andor S1 2. Mandalorian S1 3. Mandalorian S2 4. Ahsoka S1 5. Mandalorian S3 6. Obi-Wan 7. Boba Fett
Wow you’re the first person I entirely agree with. I’d say: Andor 9/10 (almost perfect) Mando S1 9/10 (brilliant execution) Mando S2 7.5/10 (good but flawed) Ahsoka S1 6.5/10 (..had potential) Mando S3 6/10 (poor execution of good concepts) Kenobi 5/10 (extremes of good and bad) Boba 4/10 (succeeded in making one of the most intriguing Star Wars characters into one of the most boring)
Disney/Lucasfilm reminds me, in a way, of the situation in the video gaming industry relating to Baldur's Gate 3. Many (most) of the top video games companies in the industry pre-emptively came out just prior to/right after the release of Baldur's Gate 3 this year claiming that customers should not expect that all games released should be held up to the standards set by Baldur's Gate 3 - minimal bugs, no micro-transactions, well written & engaging. Those competitor companies complained about BG3 having "lots" of money, development time, a niche audience etc - anything to deflect away from the industry standard of releasing mediocre games in a buggy state and charging the customer more money to engage with it. BG3 came out as an extremely well-reviewed game & while it did not please everyone, it did please the overwhelming majority of those that bought it. Andor is the Star Wars equivalent to BG3 - I believe the majority of those that watched it through came away believing it is (one of) the best Star Wars shows on Disney+ & its audience review ratings reflect it. Lucasfilm is the equivalent to the "other game companies" - don't expect all of our shows to be like Andor when our standard is releasing series that are too short, too rushed, with mediocre writing, plenty of plot armor, lack of character development, no real tension or drama, contrivances galore & questionable plot decisions. It's almost as if they are actively trying to drive Star Wars over a cliff - I'm a passenger on this voyage too & I'd like the car to stop.
Visually this show was awesome. Baylan was great, and Anakin was fantastic. The first three episodes could have, and should have been an opening crawl; and under no circumstances should yet another character taken a lightsaber in the guts. Those two things would have solved the pacing for the rest of the show.
I wanted more from Ahsoka. In the end, the show was decent. Had some good moments, but it could've been better. I felt the same about Book of Boba, Kenobi, and Mando S3 (though I liked Ahsoka slightly more than those). These shows have left me feeling empty by the end of the season. It makes me wonder why I bother paying for Disney Plus.
@@Paul_McSeolsame. I thought every episode of Kenobi was at least fun. Boba Fett did give us the only good live action Luke from Disney. I honestly don't count those episodes as part of Boba Fett though
@@Paul_McSeol For me, Kenobi had SO much more wasted potential, so I rank it lower. It frustrated me more than BOBF simply because it was a show about my favorite childhood characters done very poorly.
I mean, it was a fine show. Just fine. Not as great as early Mando or especially Andor. But it wasn’t terrible and it passed the time. Hopefully a follow up season is better and the actors will have found their groove. It’s been known to happen.
Most of Filoni's shows (TCW, Rebels) start off weak and get better as they go. I really hope he brings in a proper writer's room though. The writing has been a real weak point.
I'd rank it lower than Mando 1 & 2, (8 or 9/10) or Andor (9+), but well above Kenobi or BoBF (3 to 5/10). It's on par with Mando S3 in my book, a solid 7/10. Flawed, but quite enjoyable. Baylan and Shin stole the show.
@@Madeoftea If your parent's ran a store and taught you how to run it that worked well their whole life and you chose to do it in a way that was your own but failing when compared to the work of your parents, do you think people would still say you were doing out of love and sincerity for them?
I'm a little concerned that they seemed to include just enough Thrawn in this show to demonstrate that they don't know how to use him. I predict the follow-up show will likely have a decent audience hold (probably eight-five to ninety percent of the Ahsoka audience will at least check it out), but what you really want to do when setting up an eventual grand finale to this entire Mandoverse is to build hype as you go, not attenuate.
Yeah... by the time the Mandoverse movie drops, how many fans will still be around and invested in all the series leading up to it? If the quality continues to be this lackluster, attenuation is going to be brutal.
Too many people were fooled by characters that look like the characters we knew from other series while ignoring that those characters in the show were pale imitations or outright ignored previous character developments. The writing was pretty awful and funny enough the 'deep' and 'thought provoking' aspects of the show fall apart with just a bit of critical thinking. They also did Thrawn dirty by trying to show his tactical genius in such lacking ways and falls so far short of Legends Thrawn. Of course I'm forgetting that too many people are entertained with the equivalent of watching paint dry on a wall, especially when the wall is painted with an IPs name.
I think Filoni might work best pointing the wider direction whilst working with somebody like Tony Gilroy, somebody who brings that real feeling of care, attention and quality.
Listening to a lot of comments mention how they are disappointed in general but excited about the ‘Mortis arc’ story possibly continuing. And all I could think is general Star Wars fans aren’t excited for that and don’t even know what it is. If this is what the draw is, Star Wars truly has ‘died’ as an iconic brand and will never get back to being what it once was and is now a niche IP
I'm surprised your list doesn't include the 2 seasons of Visions. With Andor, it's probably the best thing that happened to Star Wars in recent memory, in terms of broadening it horizons.
Im disappointed that Grand Admiral Thrawn got the General Grievous treatment. Both we compelling antagonists in the noncanon lore but when it comes to what is canonical they were both completely botched
I feel like everybody who is hoping the power Baylan felt is Abeloth is setting themselves up for disappointment like I set myself up for disappointment hoping this show would be connected to the two new thrawn trilogies
That one fan cut of kenobi imo makes it one of the three or four best of all, tied with season one of mando, behind season 2 of mando and andor which is by far the best.
I feel like this show could have benefited from a couple more episodes that they could have spread more of what we got in the last two and added things to try to make it better
Honestly EVERYTHING in the last 2 episodes was filler except for Thrawn & Ezra leaving and the set up section at the end... That's the problem, 70% should have been straight out cut to make room for character development and plot from 4-6, like actually giving Thrawn an ACTUAL genius plan.
Yeah, it could have used a full 12 episodes, or at least full hour-long episodes, to fully bring newcomers up to speed and really set the stakes. As it was, everything felt so rushed and half-baked.
Personally this is my second favorite original Disney Star Wars movie/ show with Andor being the only one over it (Clone Wars Season 7 is not counted since it is repurposed Lucas Star Wars), I feel like the flaws were more minor and I really enjoyed every episode both because I think the story was well done and since it feel like Lucas Star Wars to me.
BoBF came out in 2021. We got burnt by that show... and then by Kenobi and then by Mando S3. At this point in time our tolerance for poor(er) quality products is just gone.
Ahsoka is more insufferable than BOBF. You can watch BOBF for stupid action entertainment and it's fine. The stuff with the Tuskens is halfway decent. Ahsoka is just painfully boring because nothing happens. They have literal 3-5 second pauses in the middle of dialigue. Seriously, start counting every time someone finishes speaking. It's excruciating. And on top of that, Ahsoka, Sabine and Hera are all obnoxious, smug characters
If Sabine died when Shin impaled her with a light saber, it could have been a real Interesting show, Ashoka would have actually been the main character in her show and also have so much more emotions and struggles to deal with and overcome. Our heroes need to struggle and sometimes we need to lose loved ones to grow, we also need real stakes, with Disney you always know the good guys are gonna win and the bad guy is never really ever gonna do anything that scares you or makes you fear them
The problem with Disney Wars is that there are absolutely no wars going on. Every single show has been during peacetime except TBB, also it feels like a pocket universe disconnected from the movies.
5:00 forsure this series didnt majorly _break_ anything in the fandom, but i feel it solidifies where we all stand. Live action SW will never hold up again and the franchise is dying. Ahsoka just proves how inept lucasfilms is with star wars and that no series can redeem it. Also if project after project is just met with (at best) lukewarm reception-if thats not enough for disney to put the brakes on stuff and actually revise and fully invest in one project at time and stop doing the marvel approach. Im afraid nothing will convince disney execs that their ip is worth nothing and that they should change their approach. Either this series fully swayed you to abandon ship and never return, or youre still here and likely wont find enough of a reason to fully quit SW.
Start to finish, the 4th episode was nearly perfect. Yet people rate the 5th episode higher (because of so much Anakin screen time?), despite the end of it dragging on (the Star Whale stuff just wasn't interesting, we knew what was happening, even if it had a few good moments). Not all people will rate something based on "start to finish". They are willing to overlook some flaws if other parts are great in an important way (at least important to that fan). Yes, Thrawn was a joke, and i didn't like the previous offscreen Sabine training and her finally using the force. But, there was some exceptional moments this show gave us, and where the characters ended up was satisfying. Not that I'm saying the show was exceptional, but a 4/5 is fair. Also, I feel like a lot of people are missing so much of the subtext, which to me seems obvious but maybe isn't?! There's a bit of meta stuff going on that I've not seen people talking about (in the earlier/middle episodes - although there are obvious stuff in the later episodes that were more obvious so people did notice).
Hey Thor, Love your content and I’m a proud Patreon supporter. This past week, I finished watching both Ashoka and finally got around to finishing season three of Star Trek Picard. After watching both of them, I couldn’t help but notice the similarities between them, and how Picard was able to nail the story better than Ashoka did. Star Trek Picard is a sequel series to the next generation that is focused, mainly on one character. They are unapologetic about it being about that, and if you’re not somebody who watched the next generation, you might be a little confused. this was for long time fans. I felt like Ashoka was just trying way too hard to both be a sequel series to rebels, while also being something that the “average fan” who hasn’t seen that before, could enjoy. Which caused it to not really fully satisfy either group. I did enjoy it, but felt it could be so much better. I think it’s great to have shows like the Mandalorian that are very much so for everyone, but I think having shows that are mainly geared towards really deep fans, who are “rewarded“ for watching past shows is great as well. Would love to hear what you think about this and thank you for all the interesting discussions you bring to the table. 😊
“Grab ‘em with the SW name, and then they’ll watch 10 seasons of animation”. I think that pitch is too attractive for D+ execs to pass on, because there’s a chance to *multiply* hours-watched, instead of just add to it. P+ didn’t have that option. The showrunner holds at least some blame for a bad show. D+ has fan pressure to choose Dave Filoni, but for P+, the choice of showrunner is not a marketing decision (although anyone who’s not Kurtzman might get a slight boost). So overall, I feel like D+’s hands were tied by their situation, more than P+. Plus, the (former) value of their asset is so much larger, I feel they’re more justified in taking bigger risks as the situation gets increasingly desperate.
I don't understand Baylan and Shin being "standout characters". Certainly they are standout performances, and certainly they intrigue us throughout the show because we keep wondering where they came from and what they are doing. But, that does not necessarily make them compelling as characters. We know very little of depth about either of them as people.
Ok but why can Andor, Jedi survivor and fallen order be amazing and fit very well together tonally while bringing new stuff to the galaxy and being very well made? The main star wars things these days are just in the wrong hands in my opinion.
Ehh, Fallen Order (and to the lesser extent Survivor) is more cinematic, less dull, more competently written and more diverse than how Blandor had done so.
I loved Ahsoka! Although I was initially disappointed that the tone wasn't Clone Wars Ahsoka, I quickly adapted and appreciated the next level of maturity, especially after that Rebels finale. Her stoicism may have seemed dry at times, but I totally vibed with her acting like a wise Jedi Master. Sure, there were a few parts that I think could've been emotionally and dramatically better, but overall, it was fantastic!
The bad writing, that creates plot holes. The insane contrivances. The corruption of what the force has always been. The terrible, and I do mean TERRIBLE acting and directing. I'd say yes, this show did absolutely deliver. An Amber Heard Special right on Star Wars Cannon.
Not gonna lie bro. I sort of see why the show has these complaints. But someone who hates the sequels and lots of Disney plus. I finally feel like I got a well written well directed show. I love continuing filoni star wars. However if they connect to the sequels i’m done.
Well then I’ll just have to enjoy the projects and stick to the head canon. I’m under the assumption that line about the emperor was making fun of the sequels until I know otherwise.
Some of these comments sound like, "Yeah, I ordered a filet mignon, but only got a pork chop. I guess I can forgive the chef and I'll still pay the $100 tab even though I didn't get what I wanted." That's utter nonsense.
The results of the poll, are a result of our expectations. We wanted BoBF to be good. When it wasnt, we didnt care too much. When Ahsoka wasnt great, it sucked. Same concept with episode 7&8 of Ahsoka. They werent bad episodes, but as the penultimate episode / finale of the season... to set up a second season / film... they were terrible episodes.
Ahsoka is a worse show than BOBF all things equal. The acting is so, so much worse in Ahsoka. All the characters are stoic and smug. And they take 3-5 second pauses in the middle of dialigue. At least people talked like normal humans in BOBF. The directing was way better in BOBF. There were fewer self-indulgent, unnecessary landscape shots. The action was more coherently filmed. The plot was also more coherent in BOBF. You didn't have massive plot contrivances like Ahsoka randomly showing up to the right part of the right planet in the right solar system in the right galaxy just by happenstance. Or Sabine just happening to find Ezra in a couple hours by complete accident when he could be anywhere on the planet. You really should take off the fan goggles with this show. Everything about it is terrible. It's just slightly less offensive than Kenobi since it didn't massively retcon the OT canon
@@Hello-bi1pm It definitely does. It's just not as offensive because it happens after the Lucas timeline with new characters. Kenobi dragged in Lucas' actors in Lucas' world and massacred them
😮 Ahsoka lower than Boba and Andor thats very unreasonable to me the show arguably has way more to offer than both of those it makes no sense.... Audience disappointment fatigue from other shows has to be the reason there is no other answer..
I think the Ahsoka show scored lower, because we held it to higher standards. This isn't some new story, it's THE story of Thrawn, the return of Ezra, the continuation of Rebels and of Ahsoka's story. We hoped it would be awesome, but it was "simply good", which left me a bit disappointed
Frankly, I don't see any major difference between Kenobi and Ahsoka in terms of quality. Both shows have really bad writing. I'm surprised it's so much higher rated than Kenobi
Ahsoka isn't as disrespected in the show as Kenobi is in his own show. How Anakin is used is also improvement over Kenobi. Shin Hati and Marrok aren't as obnoxious as Reva. Baylan doesn't make you roll your eyes like bad adaptation of Grand Inquisitor.
1. Andor 2. Mando S1 3. Mando S2 4. Ahsoka 5. Mando S3 6. Obi-Wan Kenobi 7. BoBF Smack in the middle of the road, but it's misleading bc the quality gap between 1-3 and 4 is quite large, whereas the gap between 4 and 5-7 is rather small.
After a lot of contemplation on this series I came away with two main reasons for it not being as great as it shouldve been: Idenity crisis and Filoni being the sole writer. The main reason for the identity crisis is the Filoni movie. There's a 100% chance that Disney wants the movie to appeal to everyday people, not just hardcore SW fans. That means that this series was tasked with introducing these people to the Rebel characters and Ahsoka to a lesser degree because she was already in Mando. The series was also bogged down by already knowing the ending, Thrawn escapes, because he will be in the movie so of course he has to. 8 episodes is simply not enough time to accomplish all of this. Filoni's poor abilities as a writer bogged it down further. This series should have been about Ahsoka's life after the events of Twilight of the Apprentice, immediately after her fight with Vader (imagine a live action remake of her confrontation with Anakin/Vader? Oh man!). We could have had a completely different story with her with new characters and she could have spent a lot more time dealing with the trauma she dealt with (especially since it was just reopened for her and a lot more raw). Then at the end of the series flash forward to her finding the map, contacting Sabine and have the cliff hanger be the live action epilogue of Rebels. You can then have a legitimate live action Rebels season 5 with the entire ghost crew and Thrawn with a focus on finding Ezra, have that lead into the new movie. Ahsoka can just be more of a side/supporting character in that series so the emphasis can really be on the Rebels cast, kind of like how she was handled in Rebels. This would have been less messy and it allows a more general audience to really familarize themselves with these characters while having better character arcs IMO.
I have not seen Ashoka and honestly don’t care to, but from the things I’ve seen it reminds me of bread that’s been soaked in water for a minute. It ain’t moldy or anything but it is soggy and not exactly in a good way or a bad way. Not all too appetizing
It was def better than the book of boba fett. I would say that by the end I was more interested in Baylan and Shin than any of the other characters. I never felt like any of the main characters were actually in danger.
I think a lot of shows first seasons give us a taste for what is to come for more seasons. I wished all the hype given it would have been better. I wished that the show could use some good writing and putting stuff in.
There were some truly amazing Star Wars moments scattered throughout Ahsoka. You could tell that this was being created with the firm conviction to make something worthy. However, these moments were few and far between. While there were only a couple of "ok, yeah, this is bad" moments, overall is just... meh. It certainly did not live up to the hype considering the amount of beloved characters being used and the story being "adapted". Still, WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY better than BoBF. That was hot garbage juice.
Most of the time follows the security guard who follows Cassian and it has all the energy of a loss prevention investigator trying to stop the office supply thief who steals Staples and pens
My takeaway? 1. Put Rick Famuyiwa on the "Robert Rodriguez bench" and keep him there. It was his direction that gaves ZOMBIES DON'T DIE FROM LIGHTSABERS!!!(tm) and several other awkward bits (including that 3rd rate Avenger's Unite! tripe with the three of them fighting inside of the "Volume" which shouldn't be used for such things). 2. Dave Filoni should take a lesson from the GL original trilogy playbook, and move to 'showrunner/Exec. Producer' and hire writers who actually have far greater skill at story telling.
i dont wanna rewatch Mandalorian, Obi-wan, Boba Fett and no, i dont wanna rewatch Ahsoka... coming from star wars fan, with Ahsoka as one of the favourite characters, i think that is pretty sad... just boredom...
I have Ahsoka ranked 2nd after Mando S2. Agreed it was not perfect but it had the story plot. Of all SW shows, I need Ahsoka season 2. More so to have answers regarding the mortis gods. I like Andor alot but I have already forgotten what happened on the show. Andor is ranked 4 for me. Ahsoka's mistake was trying to bring in new fans into Rebels story arc with the first 3 episodes. They should have just continued the Rebels arc. Ashoka was solid 4/5 for me but I can see why people were disappointed especially from the non-(clone wars and Rebels) fans.
Let's look at it this way: The Book of Boba Fett, Obi-Wan Kenobi, and The Ahsoka Show were really hyped. None of them achieved their hype. Every one of those shows had great potential, and they all missed the mark. The only good episodes of Boba Fett were stolen by the Mandalorian and Luke Skywalker, while Obi-Wan was more about Reva, and Ahsoka really didn't live up to what we knew from Rebels. Most Likely I would say Ahosoka was better than TBOBF and Obi-wan, and I would give the nod to TBOBF over Obi-wan because Fennec Shand stole the show. In all, they lacked greatly to what their potential was.
after rewatching Andor all at once (not every week when it releases), that one should be 4.99 imho and I can't wait for S2 if it hopefully gets made...
The best part of writing in ESB were the lines targeted towards 3PO: “Chewie take the professor to the back and plug him into the hyperdrive!” also, “Shut him up, or shut him down!”
I also thought it was much better than BOBF but i think i may have given them the same score, and that's probably down to some law of diminishing returns. I was expecting Ahsoka to be something stellar, something to renew the franchise, but it was just a bit of a mess. I feel as though anything in the post ROTJ universe is going to suffer in this respect - the sequels have poisoned anything that could possibly be written.
I want to learn cgi and redo the scene where Huyang is attacked, and just have him catch ths fist and say "Do you think id be charged with the care of younglings" draws sabers "without being able to protect them?" Then we cut inside the ship and hear some screams in the distance.
This show reminds me of HBO Rome Season 2. Where the pacing and logic kinda got scrambled because they had a bunch of seasons planned that they squished into 1. I wonder if this show had a similar situation where the plan got smashed by a change by the producers? Because i know filoni can write, rewatching rebels shows that he can write well paced emotional and interesting stories without plot holes. But this show does not show that. I feel like the script of this show needed another few drafts, particularily for the finale, and the editors needed to take another few months the manage the pacing better and clean up the show. Or just make a few more episodes, im tired of every show being only 8 episodes nowadays, the writers cant figure out how to pace seasons well for 8 episodes, so either cut out dumb stuff and do 4 or 5 good ones. Or just do 12 or 15 episodes or something and let the characters and plotlines breathe.
Going along with the criticisms of the new galaxy as a whole, the MCU only used Morag and Vormir for one thing each, and both of those planets were more interesting in concept than anything presented in this show, let alone all the wild stuff we saw in the prequels.
The show was ultimately more than good enough to keep me invested going forward. That being said, if the Mortis aspect of this story arc doesn't go anywhere or Ahsoka's character is mishandled I'm probably checking out on Star Wars, at least anything taking place in the the Skywalker era.
When you compare the comments to the results there is something off. It seems most ppl in the comments have some brain and taste while 50% of voters where very happy with it. This does not add up 😂
Please do a video showing the dwindiling viewership of the Star Wars shows. Samba TV's data shows they lost 30% of viewers/households between the premier and the finale.
Personally I'm not a fan of the Mortis Gods, the World Between Worlds or how Nightsisters are using actual magic now where in the EU it was just using the Force but using "spells" as a way to channel it. So you could say I'm not into the more mysticism elements of Star Wars that the Filoni involved projects have explored. So it makes me wonder just how accessible to more casual fans that haven't watched TCW or Rebels that the Filoni movie will be. A lot of heavy praise I've seen for this show are from fans that have watched TCW & Rebels and I've seen so many people retort to any criticism of this show that "well if you'd watched all of TCW & Rebels you'd find it amazing" etc.
Everything that is more mystical than the force is stupid and shouldn't belong in star wars. No gods, no space Wales or whatever dumb shit the cowboy-hat is coming up with. He's the main reason why star wars has no future. His dumb stuff pushes the average science fiction fan away from star wars
Missed opportunity. That's what a lot of Disney Star Was has been. Missed opportunity to bring the Clone Wars/Rebels characters to the normie crows who didn't get into the cartoons for whatever taste-derived reason. Ahsoka was simply a continuation of those shows, and that's the crowd it pleased. More or less. Maybe. All the time tallied that went to long, meaningful stares could have been invested in explaining to people coming into the show with no background in the cartoons who they were, why they were important, and what the threat was. The council sessions with Hera would have been a great vehicle for that, as she explains things to people like the audience who know nothing. And, I doubt fans who are versed in Filoni's back-log of work would have minded a recap. That's kinda what we got with the flashback/death dream, anyway. Missed opportunity.
Not only was the Anakin lesson vague, but the season to that point didn’t even establish that a lesson was even needed? Was there an outstanding lesson from Rebels that was unresolved? Or are we expected to go all the way back to the Clone Wars show to when she left Anakin? If that’s the case, why the hell was it within this series?!?
Hey Thor, this is a question I have been wondering for a while. If you recall a lot of people really disliked the prequels back in the day that they came out, but now, around 20 years later I would say that by and large people are accepting them for what they are (if not like myself really loving them and considering them great star wars content). I know this could (and probably is) in large part because of the fantastic Clone Wars series, so my question is: Do you think that people will ever warm up to the sequels/other less-than-stellar Disney Star Wars era content? Do you think that fan views could change in say... 10 or 20 years later? I know that Disney is trying (and we can debate about how successful they have been...) to patch up the gaps that ultimately lead to these films, so... do you think that in a bit of time, there will be a general acceptance (or possibly even enjoyment) of them by even the hardcore star wars fans in the future?
Like I said though, Im not saying EVERYBODY likes them, but for the most part, fans have more or less come to accept them (at least better than the sequels).
I thought it was good but wished Sabine had more spirit, she just seemed numb. Nothing like Rebels Sabine. Yes she’s older but she shouldn’t be a lonely cat lady Mandolorian.
Hey @thorskywalker so was Marroc reanimated nightsister magic or was the dark green smoke something his species does? If tales of the Jedi is cannon then does that mean the Inqusitor that Ahsoka kills in that show is either the same species or reanimated with nightsister magic? reason i ask is if it is Nightsister magic then would mean Morgan Elspeth was working for the inqusitorius/Empire back during the Jedi purge? I thought Palpatine had mostly purged the nightsisters... Also we saw Night sister magic reanimation smoke at the end of Ahsoka series and its a much lighter green, more consistent with clone wars/Fallen Order night sister reanimation magic smoke... what are your thoughts??
On its own, Ahsoka is an ok (3-star) show, better than the likes of kenobi or the sequel trilogy but not as good as Rogue one or Mandlorian s1,2. But when this show is supposedly the ceiling of Disney Star Wars, then this show becomes a massive disappointment.
I have a feeling people will change there minds about Ahsoka latter because Ill be brutally honest its not as bad as people say...I dont see it at all 🙄It has too much cool stuff in the show....
It's the opposite of that. When time passes ppl will see how dumb this whole show was when all the dopamine from "oh my god, look, it's anakin" and the rest of the stupid fan service is gone
Hey Thor! As far as I’m concerned, you never need to explain yourself for having a balanced view which attracts an audience with a balanced view. It’s balanced because the audience feels comfortable expressing their opinions regardless of where they fall on the spectrum.
If you don’t like Star Wars it’s time to stop watching! These shows are a dream come true to me! I never thought we’d be getting such great Star Wars shows and films! Seems you guys have outgrown Star Wars! Find something else to watch!😊
Brooo so true !!!! People will complain that ahsoka had very little character development. Or that thrawn had a whole army along with witches that can track people but couldn't find his hated enemy ezra hanging out with some crabs with in walking distance. Or that thrawn used to be scary because of how often he would win, but this time he basically lost the whole show and barely excaped making him look like a fraud. Or how saben was stabbed with a plasma sword and lived but qui gon died a similar injury. They just don't get it . If you don't think about it is good !!!! I personally love this show
@@bobstevemd3265 I know it’s like they dont realize that sone people survive certain wounds and others don’t all the time in real life! That there are many factors when people actually die and that two people or the actual wounds could’ve very different! The time tgat they received space medical care could have been different! Hell healthcare could actually have improved in the 30 years between the two wounds!
I said it before and I’ll say it again, when I heard about them going to a new galaxy, I was hoping beyond hope that the new galaxy was the extended universe. That would’ve been so much better than the nonsense that was given to us.
Hey Thor. I love the period between episode 3-4, birth of the rebellion and other rebellion stories. However, as has been said, all roads leads to the sequels which means nothing that happens actually mean anything, it can be great stories in itself of course but it still ends with the sequels. The same provlem exists with the old republic, we know how it ends. My suggestion would be to fully embrace the sequels and continue the story beyond them and give us something new that we don't know how it will end. I was not a fan of the sequels but I could become a fan of what comes after...
We expected a return from grace rather than a slightly better repeat of the same mistakes. Sabine walked off a lightsaber through the gut as if it was nothing by the next episode... The very weapon which easily kills any extra. More repeat of 'girl power' as not a single male is allowed to be competent except for the evil male Jedi. All of episode 8. Again... Sabine never talking about the map to Ezra! She just walked off and ignored what any other show would have talked about to earn that emotional climax and possible consequences... And didn't because it might make Sabine look bad. Seriously everyone was focused on that decision and what it meant just for it to be completely ignored by the writers probably due to higher ups not wanting generic female power up girl 4 to have any possible negative things happen to her. Sabine went from a character people remembered... To a generic Rey knockoff.
My thoughts on the force lesson: think about on Luke’s vision from episode 5. It didn’t hold your hand or explain the lesson luke needed to learn. Personally I don’t need concrete explanations of the force in every aspect of starwars for me to enjoy it.
It didn't need to hold your hand because it was filmed really well and you were able to grasp what was going on. And at the end of the movie you were able to fully understand what it meant once you knew the truth of who Vader was (I won't say who he is to avoid spoilers). Ahsoka never did that it. It was just a member berry episode that meant nothing except for making Ahsoka a Zombie Jedi.
The biggest lie us fans are telling ourselves after EVERY show is "Man, the show wasn't great, but it set up so much cool stuff so the next show will be awesome." And around and around we go. 😢
Yeah, hard truths. I’m about ready to hop off this carousel, and I’m not happy about it either. We could’ve had so much more. 😕
@@Within_Cells_Interlinked I think that is the hardest part.... getting very brief flashes of what could be.... and then back to what we are getting...
This is why I’m starting to hate the whole interconnected universe trend. The more we rely on other projects to fill in the gaps, it encourages shoddy storytelling
If for a series to be good we have to actively ignore its flaws and hope that what comes next will be better, then perhaps the series is not as good as we might believe.
Thank you. I've watched so many people say that they're willing to forgive shortcomings in story and characters because there's potentially more exciting material down the line. And I'm like "What about right now?" I'm not against the idea of cool set ups for the future but let's at least give the audience something feature complete and satisfying first.
It’s always the same argument, it is not as bad as Boba Fett, and it actually had its moments, but this series had so much more potential… like a lot of SW content lately. I agree with 99,9% of what Thor is saying about the Ashoka Series. This should have been amazing, not less, and it clearly wasnt.
Yes it is worse than Boba Fett. It destroyed Sabine, Hera, Ahsoka, Mon Mothma, Ezra, Thrawn, Leia.
Star Wars fans will always give Star Wars content a chance. No one is rooting for it to fail. I almost pray going into these shows that they’ll be good or great. Who wouldn’t want that ? But when they make beloved characters hard to cheer for and then stupid action scenes it just gets you almost angry at the missed opportunities for awesomeness
Yeah, the narrative that fans can't be pleased is a lie.
Plenty of 'fans' are rooting for DISNEY Star Wars to fail, you must be living under a rock if you can't see that. The same 'fans' that claim shows like Ahsoka, Bobba Fett or Obi-Wan retconned or generally lacked quality (justifiably) denounce Andor as "not Star Wars enough" or "boring" (complete horseshit). The objective fans are increasingly a minority and THAT'S a problem. I've criticised Thor on occasion but he's generally very objective.
I am rooting Disney Culture Wars to fail.
Why watch your beloved franchise paraded around like an undead marionette? An analogy if you will, if you love your grandmother, you wouldn't want corporation to dig her body up, and resurrect her as zombified body and claim she was just as good as before.
Oh, and call you rascist for not liking your new zombie grandmama.
Exactly! The franchise never die. There is always something that will please them. Some fans are just ungrateful.
@@matiasluukkanen7718 Who's going to take up the franchise then? You? You have no F idea what the future of this franchise is outside of Disney and neither do I. BEST we can do is criticise where it's due and praise where it's due. Currently, Disney Star Wars looks to be on life support but there's no clear path ahead for the future of Star Wars outside of Disney so we can only HOPE that they F listen. Otherwise the only future is enjoying the Star Wars that we have always enjoyed. That's IT and we can do that anyway no matter what trash Disney churns out.
The low score might mean some fans are entering the “hate watch” phase of fandom. In there, only 5-star quality can drag you out, otherwise 1-4 stars all appear 1-star. It eventually burns out into the “ex-fan” stage (not watching).
Or that it isn’t very good? I’d personally flip that and say the 5 stars are skewed by the fans’ motivations, rather than objective scoring.
@@stevecaldwell8740 Could be! I wouldn’t know (guess my stage) 😂
@@ian-flanagan That describes me pretty well, I guess. Though it doesn't take 5 star content necessarily to drag me out. Hate watched Episode 9, the Kenobi series, most of Mando season 3 and the last two episodes of Ahsoka. Enjoyed Mandalorian seasons 1-2 (which are definitely not 5 star content) and Andor. And I was simply meh about Book of Boba Fett.
Id assume alot of fans have entered the not watching stage. After seeing Boba Fett, couldn't believe how bad it was. Then the Mando episodes in Boba Fett were fantastic and i was back in, then the final episode with Boba returning and Grogu returning to Din was just horrible. Their story had finished, i was looking forward to bounty hunter Mando. Obi Wan was awful, Andor was surprising really good. I had lost interest in season 3 of Mando knowing Grogu would be in it and when i watched the first episode it really was terrible. Have not watched Ashoka.
"A lot of good ideas cancelled out by bad ones" describes my view as well, but yes, the last two episodes, especially the finale, should've been done better. It wouldn't even need major fixes: 1- An actually competent, smart Thrawn, 2- more urgency and 3- a better handling of Ezra/Sabine. that would've made this go from a 6/10 to an 8/10 for me. What bothers me is that you'd think there was someone looking over what Filoni had written and said "fix these areas and we're gtg" but there didn't appear to be that type of person. When I wrote a very basic Christmas play years ago, I had someone trustworthy go over my script and point out things that didn't make sense or could be executed better, and it made a huge difference, so it boggles the mind that Disney, with all its $ millions, didn't have anyone with the ability to go over the writing, recognize obvious and glaring flaws, and then fix them.
Ray Stevenson and Hayden Christensen were the only highlight of the entire show, that's about it.
I gotta be honest, this show was a misfire. So many questions left unanswered, All the plot conveniences holding everything together just made me roll my eyes like "what?" And they completely undercut the drama. The stakes are nonexistent since the main characters have way too much plot armor, the acting and dialogue for the most part comes off as very wooden and one note, the characters were done dirty just as I feared ( Sabine was done the worst ), and the emotional impact that these characters should've had with their reunions fell very flat.
Even the lightsaber effects in this show is inconsistent. At time's, the blades look way too stiff when they wave them around and the colors look so dull, while others times, they look colorful and flashy.
The biggest problem I had with the finale is that they act like Thrawn getting back to the main galaxy, never freaking happened. Imagine if bad batch season two ended with hunter, wrecker, echo and azi 3 celebrating, and congratulating themselves, after they escape the Empire even though they 1: lost tech 2: lost omega and 3: ultimately failed their mission in trying to find and rescue crosshair…
I feel like some social media syndrome is at play here.
People seem to have caught on to the awkward dialogue pauses and the plot contrivances. But I hardly ever see people talk about the choreography. The sheer clumsiness is astounding.
It's honestly worse than Vader vs. Obi-Wan in the original. At least the original made up for the lackluster choreography by building tension between swings. In Ahsoka, they clumsily spin around like elementary schoolers playing Star Wars in the back yard (except Hayden ofc). There's one point where she punches her arm forward with the blade facing the other way. What on earth is the point of that move?
@@sivad1025the choreography fell into two camps, way over rehearsed and “swinging a baseball bat”.
When it comes to writing, all Star Wars shows should be like Andor.
Totally agree.
Isn't it sad that Andor is the odd duck among all this Star Wars sludge for the simple reason that it has good writing? 😂
@@LedPESRule Indeed!
I think the reason BoBF scored better is because it came out earlier, whilst there was still more goodwill and more people who basically automatically liked it. There are fewer of those people now, and if the two had swapped places I'm willing to bet BoBF would be considerably lower.
I ranked BoBF over Ahsoka. BoBF was a mess and had some terrible parts. But some of it worked, and plenty of it was enjoyable. Ahsoka was just a dull, pointless slog for me.
With the exception of Clone Wars, Rebels, Andor and Rogue one its been the best show and content we've gotten. You can tell it comes from a place of love which is more then anyone can say for the Sequels. Which beside comparisons seems to have been kinda left and forgotten lol.
I don't think it's as bad as many people say though I don't think it's quite mind-blowing. Here's my ranking:
1. Andor S1
2. Mandalorian S1
3. Mandalorian S2
4. Ahsoka S1
5. Mandalorian S3
6. Obi-Wan
7. Boba Fett
It’s mid, which is what your ranking showed. Boba Fett and Obi-Wan was 🚮 and Mando S3 wasn’t very good either
I would agree with rankings. The bar is so low for Disney Star Wars.
Wow you’re the first person I entirely agree with. I’d say:
Andor 9/10 (almost perfect)
Mando S1 9/10 (brilliant execution)
Mando S2 7.5/10 (good but flawed)
Ahsoka S1 6.5/10 (..had potential)
Mando S3 6/10 (poor execution of good concepts)
Kenobi 5/10 (extremes of good and bad)
Boba 4/10 (succeeded in making one of the most intriguing Star Wars characters into one of the most boring)
I agree with your ranking 👍 but the only two good shows are andor and Mando 1. Mando two is acceptable. After this, it gets bad to awful
I have basically the same ranking (I do feel like Obi-wan is even worst than boba Fett tho, but there's not much difference)
Disney/Lucasfilm reminds me, in a way, of the situation in the video gaming industry relating to Baldur's Gate 3. Many (most) of the top video games companies in the industry pre-emptively came out just prior to/right after the release of Baldur's Gate 3 this year claiming that customers should not expect that all games released should be held up to the standards set by Baldur's Gate 3 - minimal bugs, no micro-transactions, well written & engaging. Those competitor companies complained about BG3 having "lots" of money, development time, a niche audience etc - anything to deflect away from the industry standard of releasing mediocre games in a buggy state and charging the customer more money to engage with it. BG3 came out as an extremely well-reviewed game & while it did not please everyone, it did please the overwhelming majority of those that bought it.
Andor is the Star Wars equivalent to BG3 - I believe the majority of those that watched it through came away believing it is (one of) the best Star Wars shows on Disney+ & its audience review ratings reflect it. Lucasfilm is the equivalent to the "other game companies" - don't expect all of our shows to be like Andor when our standard is releasing series that are too short, too rushed, with mediocre writing, plenty of plot armor, lack of character development, no real tension or drama, contrivances galore & questionable plot decisions. It's almost as if they are actively trying to drive Star Wars over a cliff - I'm a passenger on this voyage too & I'd like the car to stop.
Visually this show was awesome. Baylan was great, and Anakin was fantastic.
The first three episodes could have, and should have been an opening crawl; and under no circumstances should yet another character taken a lightsaber in the guts. Those two things would have solved the pacing for the rest of the show.
I wanted more from Ahsoka. In the end, the show was decent. Had some good moments, but it could've been better. I felt the same about Book of Boba, Kenobi, and Mando S3 (though I liked Ahsoka slightly more than those). These shows have left me feeling empty by the end of the season. It makes me wonder why I bother paying for Disney Plus.
1. Andor - 10/10
2. Mandalorian Season 2 - 8.5/10
3. Mandalorian Season 1 - 8/10
T4. Ahsoka - 6/10
T4. Mandalorian Season 3 - 6/10
6. Book of Boba Fett - 5/10
7. Obi Wan Kenobi - 4/10
Bonus:
The Bad Batch - 7.5/10
Tales of the Jedi - 8/10
I’d swap Kenobi and Boba Fett. But that’s just a minor preference. I found Fett to be an insufferable series. Aside from that a solid ranking. 👏
These are pretty fair!
@@Paul_McSeolsame. I thought every episode of Kenobi was at least fun. Boba Fett did give us the only good live action Luke from Disney. I honestly don't count those episodes as part of Boba Fett though
@@Paul_McSeol For me, Kenobi had SO much more wasted potential, so I rank it lower. It frustrated me more than BOBF simply because it was a show about my favorite childhood characters done very poorly.
Kenobi was better than BOBF and Mandalorian S3 for me.
I mean, it was a fine show. Just fine. Not as great as early Mando or especially Andor. But it wasn’t terrible and it passed the time. Hopefully a follow up season is better and the actors will have found their groove. It’s been known to happen.
Most of Filoni's shows (TCW, Rebels) start off weak and get better as they go. I really hope he brings in a proper writer's room though. The writing has been a real weak point.
I'd rank it lower than Mando 1 & 2, (8 or 9/10) or Andor (9+), but well above Kenobi or BoBF (3 to 5/10). It's on par with Mando S3 in my book, a solid 7/10. Flawed, but quite enjoyable. Baylan and Shin stole the show.
I like the series enough to write my own rewrite of it since I understand it comes from a place of love for the franchise despite it’s flaws
That's naive at best. Filoni likes his personal fanfiction, not the actual Star Wars franchise.
Absolutely agreed. It comes from a place of love and sincerity. It has flaws, not terrible. That’s what matters to me, basically.
@@Madeoftea If your parent's ran a store and taught you how to run it that worked well their whole life and you chose to do it in a way that was your own but failing when compared to the work of your parents, do you think people would still say you were doing out of love and sincerity for them?
It does! It was a great series! It did have some flaws but it was really well done overall.
@@UpTheChels10 The analogy is oblique and thin. Not really. Thanks for the effort tho.
I'm a little concerned that they seemed to include just enough Thrawn in this show to demonstrate that they don't know how to use him. I predict the follow-up show will likely have a decent audience hold (probably eight-five to ninety percent of the Ahsoka audience will at least check it out), but what you really want to do when setting up an eventual grand finale to this entire Mandoverse is to build hype as you go, not attenuate.
Yeah... by the time the Mandoverse movie drops, how many fans will still be around and invested in all the series leading up to it? If the quality continues to be this lackluster, attenuation is going to be brutal.
Too many people were fooled by characters that look like the characters we knew from other series while ignoring that those characters in the show were pale imitations or outright ignored previous character developments. The writing was pretty awful and funny enough the 'deep' and 'thought provoking' aspects of the show fall apart with just a bit of critical thinking. They also did Thrawn dirty by trying to show his tactical genius in such lacking ways and falls so far short of Legends Thrawn. Of course I'm forgetting that too many people are entertained with the equivalent of watching paint dry on a wall, especially when the wall is painted with an IPs name.
I think Filoni might work best pointing the wider direction whilst working with somebody like Tony Gilroy, somebody who brings that real feeling of care, attention and quality.
4th place, just underneath S2 of The Mandalorian but 3rd place if we cram all 3 seasons of The Mandalorian together
I have a lot of respect for this channel. It keeps it real and tells it how it is. Thank you, and keep the content up
Listening to a lot of comments mention how they are disappointed in general but excited about the ‘Mortis arc’ story possibly continuing. And all I could think is general Star Wars fans aren’t excited for that and don’t even know what it is. If this is what the draw is, Star Wars truly has ‘died’ as an iconic brand and will never get back to being what it once was and is now a niche IP
I'm surprised your list doesn't include the 2 seasons of Visions. With Andor, it's probably the best thing that happened to Star Wars in recent memory, in terms of broadening it horizons.
Kamino was in the main galaxy and still managed to be more mysterious and interesting than Peridia and the other galaxy in general.
Yet again, Disney did not miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity.
Im disappointed that Grand Admiral Thrawn got the General Grievous treatment. Both we compelling antagonists in the noncanon lore but when it comes to what is canonical they were both completely botched
You mean Legends lore. Non-Canon is its own thing.
The greatest trick the devil ever pulled, was convince SW was in the good hands of Disney.
I feel like everybody who is hoping the power Baylan felt is Abeloth is setting themselves up for disappointment like I set myself up for disappointment hoping this show would be connected to the two new thrawn trilogies
Well it kinda was, didn't Thrawn say he knew Anakin?
@@Hello-bi1pmFat, tactically deficient Disney Thrawn isnt Thrawn.
@@Hello-bi1pmit's nice but it's not the connection to the Thrawn books that I want
@@GrievousReborn could have been worse, Filoni could have ignored it
Mandalorian Season 2 was the best especially with the finale
That one fan cut of kenobi imo makes it one of the three or four best of all, tied with season one of mando, behind season 2 of mando and andor which is by far the best.
I feel like this show could have benefited from a couple more episodes that they could have spread more of what we got in the last two and added things to try to make it better
Honestly EVERYTHING in the last 2 episodes was filler except for Thrawn & Ezra leaving and the set up section at the end... That's the problem, 70% should have been straight out cut to make room for character development and plot from 4-6, like actually giving Thrawn an ACTUAL genius plan.
Yeah, it could have used a full 12 episodes, or at least full hour-long episodes, to fully bring newcomers up to speed and really set the stakes. As it was, everything felt so rushed and half-baked.
Hehe, like Andor?
And hiring a good writer.
Personally this is my second favorite original Disney Star Wars movie/ show with Andor being the only one over it (Clone Wars Season 7 is not counted since it is repurposed Lucas Star Wars), I feel like the flaws were more minor and I really enjoyed every episode both because I think the story was well done and since it feel like Lucas Star Wars to me.
Amén!
Contrivance, thy name is Dave Filoni.
That is surprising, I definitely like it better than Book of Boba Fett, but it's still not great.
BoBF came out in 2021.
We got burnt by that show... and then by Kenobi and then by Mando S3.
At this point in time our tolerance for poor(er) quality products is just gone.
@@DavidWalker1987 That's a very fair assessment.
@DavidWalker1987 Boba Fett I feel was overhated like Mando S3.
Seriously? Ahsoka below the show that turned Boba Fett into a doormat because Favreau doesn't know how to write a Scarface-esque story?
I think that's Star Wars disappointment fatigue
@@annikinstarkiller600yeah, each blow hits heavier than the last.
When they said The Book Of Boba Fett is like The Godfather, that aged really badly.
Ahsoka is more insufferable than BOBF. You can watch BOBF for stupid action entertainment and it's fine. The stuff with the Tuskens is halfway decent. Ahsoka is just painfully boring because nothing happens. They have literal 3-5 second pauses in the middle of dialigue. Seriously, start counting every time someone finishes speaking. It's excruciating. And on top of that, Ahsoka, Sabine and Hera are all obnoxious, smug characters
@@sivad1025Yeah but Ahsoka isn't as iconic as Boba Fett, who was portrayed so badly that Temuera Morrison hated how the show treated him.
If Sabine died when Shin impaled her with a light saber, it could have been a real Interesting show, Ashoka would have actually been the main character in her show and also have so much more emotions and struggles to deal with and overcome. Our heroes need to struggle and sometimes we need to lose loved ones to grow, we also need real stakes, with Disney you always know the good guys are gonna win and the bad guy is never really ever gonna do anything that scares you or makes you fear them
The problem with Disney Wars is that there are absolutely no wars going on. Every single show has been during peacetime except TBB, also it feels like a pocket universe disconnected from the movies.
Obi-Wan was during peacetime?
5:00 forsure this series didnt majorly _break_ anything in the fandom, but i feel it solidifies where we all stand.
Live action SW will never hold up again and the franchise is dying. Ahsoka just proves how inept lucasfilms is with star wars and that no series can redeem it. Also if project after project is just met with (at best) lukewarm reception-if thats not enough for disney to put the brakes on stuff and actually revise and fully invest in one project at time and stop doing the marvel approach. Im afraid nothing will convince disney execs that their ip is worth nothing and that they should change their approach.
Either this series fully swayed you to abandon ship and never return, or youre still here and likely wont find enough of a reason to fully quit SW.
Don't worry, the Acolyte will make Thor quit.
I'd personally rank Ahsoka above Book of Boba Fett
For Battle of the Heroes and Villains, it feels like animated Ahsoka and live-action Ahsoka should be two different characters.
Start to finish, the 4th episode was nearly perfect. Yet people rate the 5th episode higher (because of so much Anakin screen time?), despite the end of it dragging on (the Star Whale stuff just wasn't interesting, we knew what was happening, even if it had a few good moments).
Not all people will rate something based on "start to finish". They are willing to overlook some flaws if other parts are great in an important way (at least important to that fan).
Yes, Thrawn was a joke, and i didn't like the previous offscreen Sabine training and her finally using the force. But, there was some exceptional moments this show gave us, and where the characters ended up was satisfying. Not that I'm saying the show was exceptional, but a 4/5 is fair.
Also, I feel like a lot of people are missing so much of the subtext, which to me seems obvious but maybe isn't?!
There's a bit of meta stuff going on that I've not seen people talking about (in the earlier/middle episodes - although there are obvious stuff in the later episodes that were more obvious so people did notice).
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This past week, I finished watching both Ashoka and finally got around to finishing season three of Star Trek Picard. After watching both of them, I couldn’t help but notice the similarities between them, and how Picard was able to nail the story better than Ashoka did.
Star Trek Picard is a sequel series to the next generation that is focused, mainly on one character. They are unapologetic about it being about that, and if you’re not somebody who watched the next generation, you might be a little confused. this was for long time fans.
I felt like Ashoka was just trying way too hard to both be a sequel series to rebels, while also being something that the “average fan” who hasn’t seen that before, could enjoy. Which caused it to not really fully satisfy either group. I did enjoy it, but felt it could be so much better.
I think it’s great to have shows like the Mandalorian that are very much so for everyone, but I think having shows that are mainly geared towards really deep fans, who are “rewarded“ for watching past shows is great as well.
Would love to hear what you think about this and thank you for all the interesting discussions you bring to the table. 😊
“Grab ‘em with the SW name, and then they’ll watch 10 seasons of animation”.
I think that pitch is too attractive for D+ execs to pass on, because there’s a chance to *multiply* hours-watched, instead of just add to it. P+ didn’t have that option.
The showrunner holds at least some blame for a bad show. D+ has fan pressure to choose Dave Filoni, but for P+, the choice of showrunner is not a marketing decision (although anyone who’s not Kurtzman might get a slight boost).
So overall, I feel like D+’s hands were tied by their situation, more than P+. Plus, the (former) value of their asset is so much larger, I feel they’re more justified in taking bigger risks as the situation gets increasingly desperate.
I don't understand Baylan and Shin being "standout characters". Certainly they are standout performances, and certainly they intrigue us throughout the show because we keep wondering where they came from and what they are doing. But, that does not necessarily make them compelling as characters. We know very little of depth about either of them as people.
Baylan and Shin were just there as gap fillers.
Better than Obi-wan and Bobba Fett. Well below Madalorian season 1 and 2. It doesn't even stand under the same sun as Andor.
None of these shows will stand the test of time. Utterly disposable
Ok but why can Andor, Jedi survivor and fallen order be amazing and fit very well together tonally while bringing new stuff to the galaxy and being very well made? The main star wars things these days are just in the wrong hands in my opinion.
Ehh, Fallen Order (and to the lesser extent Survivor) is more cinematic, less dull, more competently written and more diverse than how Blandor had done so.
@@mazkeraid4039 Andor is very well written , it's better than having a 250 M $ show that is just meh in the end.
I loved Ahsoka! Although I was initially disappointed that the tone wasn't Clone Wars Ahsoka, I quickly adapted and appreciated the next level of maturity, especially after that Rebels finale. Her stoicism may have seemed dry at times, but I totally vibed with her acting like a wise Jedi Master. Sure, there were a few parts that I think could've been emotionally and dramatically better, but overall, it was fantastic!
The bad writing, that creates plot holes. The insane contrivances. The corruption of what the force has always been. The terrible, and I do mean TERRIBLE acting and directing. I'd say yes, this show did absolutely deliver. An Amber Heard Special right on Star Wars Cannon.
Not gonna lie bro. I sort of see why the show has these complaints. But someone who hates the sequels and lots of Disney plus. I finally feel like I
got a well written well directed show. I love continuing filoni star wars. However if they connect to the sequels i’m done.
@@ajvela4310I got some bad news my friend…
@@ajvela4310 What choice do they have? It has to lead to them, doesn't it?
@@ajvela4310All roads lead to the sequels my dude.
Did you miss Sabine's line about the emperor's supposed death?
Well then I’ll just have to enjoy the projects and stick to the head canon. I’m under the assumption that line about the emperor was making fun of the sequels until I know otherwise.
I was intrigued by the presence of Mordor and Mount Doom in the new galaxy. Like J. R. R. Tolkien gonna sue someone!
“I Can't Carry It for You... but I Can Carry You.” - Shin Hati to Baylan.
Some of these comments sound like, "Yeah, I ordered a filet mignon, but only got a pork chop. I guess I can forgive the chef and I'll still pay the $100 tab even though I didn't get what I wanted." That's utter nonsense.
It's not just some chef, it's their childhood chef kinda like that scene in Ratatouille.
The results of the poll, are a result of our expectations.
We wanted BoBF to be good. When it wasnt, we didnt care too much. When Ahsoka wasnt great, it sucked.
Same concept with episode 7&8 of Ahsoka. They werent bad episodes, but as the penultimate episode / finale of the season... to set up a second season / film... they were terrible episodes.
Ahsoka is a worse show than BOBF all things equal. The acting is so, so much worse in Ahsoka. All the characters are stoic and smug. And they take 3-5 second pauses in the middle of dialigue. At least people talked like normal humans in BOBF. The directing was way better in BOBF. There were fewer self-indulgent, unnecessary landscape shots. The action was more coherently filmed. The plot was also more coherent in BOBF. You didn't have massive plot contrivances like Ahsoka randomly showing up to the right part of the right planet in the right solar system in the right galaxy just by happenstance. Or Sabine just happening to find Ezra in a couple hours by complete accident when he could be anywhere on the planet.
You really should take off the fan goggles with this show. Everything about it is terrible. It's just slightly less offensive than Kenobi since it didn't massively retcon the OT canon
@@sivad1025 Sabine having the Force doesn't destroy all kinds of canons?
@@Hello-bi1pm It definitely does. It's just not as offensive because it happens after the Lucas timeline with new characters. Kenobi dragged in Lucas' actors in Lucas' world and massacred them
😮 Ahsoka lower than Boba and Andor thats very unreasonable to me the show arguably has way more to offer than both of those it makes no sense.... Audience disappointment fatigue from other shows has to be the reason there is no other answer..
this being below Book of Boba Fett is crazy
I think the Ahsoka show scored lower, because we held it to higher standards. This isn't some new story, it's THE story of Thrawn, the return of Ezra, the continuation of Rebels and of Ahsoka's story. We hoped it would be awesome, but it was "simply good", which left me a bit disappointed
Frankly, I don't see any major difference between Kenobi and Ahsoka in terms of quality. Both shows have really bad writing. I'm surprised it's so much higher rated than Kenobi
Ahsoka isn't as disrespected in the show as Kenobi is in his own show. How Anakin is used is also improvement over Kenobi. Shin Hati and Marrok aren't as obnoxious as Reva. Baylan doesn't make you roll your eyes like bad adaptation of Grand Inquisitor.
1. Andor
2. Mando S1
3. Mando S2
4. Ahsoka
5. Mando S3
6. Obi-Wan Kenobi
7. BoBF
Smack in the middle of the road, but it's misleading bc the quality gap between 1-3 and 4 is quite large, whereas the gap between 4 and 5-7 is rather small.
2020 is when Filoni got promoted to oversee all of TV. Then suddenly the quality declined 😂 Where is the saviour of Star Wars now?
After a lot of contemplation on this series I came away with two main reasons for it not being as great as it shouldve been: Idenity crisis and Filoni being the sole writer. The main reason for the identity crisis is the Filoni movie. There's a 100% chance that Disney wants the movie to appeal to everyday people, not just hardcore SW fans. That means that this series was tasked with introducing these people to the Rebel characters and Ahsoka to a lesser degree because she was already in Mando. The series was also bogged down by already knowing the ending, Thrawn escapes, because he will be in the movie so of course he has to. 8 episodes is simply not enough time to accomplish all of this. Filoni's poor abilities as a writer bogged it down further. This series should have been about Ahsoka's life after the events of Twilight of the Apprentice, immediately after her fight with Vader (imagine a live action remake of her confrontation with Anakin/Vader? Oh man!). We could have had a completely different story with her with new characters and she could have spent a lot more time dealing with the trauma she dealt with (especially since it was just reopened for her and a lot more raw). Then at the end of the series flash forward to her finding the map, contacting Sabine and have the cliff hanger be the live action epilogue of Rebels. You can then have a legitimate live action Rebels season 5 with the entire ghost crew and Thrawn with a focus on finding Ezra, have that lead into the new movie. Ahsoka can just be more of a side/supporting character in that series so the emphasis can really be on the Rebels cast, kind of like how she was handled in Rebels. This would have been less messy and it allows a more general audience to really familarize themselves with these characters while having better character arcs IMO.
I think Filoni himself has no idea what Ahsoka did during the OT.
@@АлексейМомот-щ7о to me thats such an interesting time of her life to explore. Missed opportunity
I have not seen Ashoka and honestly don’t care to, but from the things I’ve seen it reminds me of bread that’s been soaked in water for a minute. It ain’t moldy or anything but it is soggy and not exactly in a good way or a bad way. Not all too appetizing
It was def better than the book of boba fett. I would say that by the end I was more interested in Baylan and Shin than any of the other characters. I never felt like any of the main characters were actually in danger.
I think a lot of shows first seasons give us a taste for what is to come for more seasons. I wished all the hype given it would have been better. I wished that the show could use some good writing and putting stuff in.
There were some truly amazing Star Wars moments scattered throughout Ahsoka. You could tell that this was being created with the firm conviction to make something worthy.
However, these moments were few and far between. While there were only a couple of "ok, yeah, this is bad" moments, overall is just... meh.
It certainly did not live up to the hype considering the amount of beloved characters being used and the story being "adapted".
Still, WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY better than BoBF. That was hot garbage juice.
Most of the time follows the security guard who follows Cassian and it has all the energy of a loss prevention investigator trying to stop the office supply thief who steals Staples and pens
But what if those office supplies were going to be used to start a rebellion? A rebellion featured in three of the best movies ever made.
My takeaway?
1. Put Rick Famuyiwa on the "Robert Rodriguez bench" and keep him there. It was his direction that gaves ZOMBIES DON'T DIE FROM LIGHTSABERS!!!(tm) and several other awkward bits (including that 3rd rate Avenger's Unite! tripe with the three of them fighting inside of the "Volume" which shouldn't be used for such things).
2. Dave Filoni should take a lesson from the GL original trilogy playbook, and move to 'showrunner/Exec. Producer' and hire writers who actually have far greater skill at story telling.
Completely agree !
i dont wanna rewatch Mandalorian, Obi-wan, Boba Fett and no, i dont wanna rewatch Ahsoka... coming from star wars fan, with Ahsoka as one of the favourite characters, i think that is pretty sad... just boredom...
I thought it was passable, it started out slow, then picked up, and then completely lost steam.
I have Ahsoka ranked 2nd after Mando S2. Agreed it was not perfect but it had the story plot. Of all SW shows, I need Ahsoka season 2. More so to have answers regarding the mortis gods. I like Andor alot but I have already forgotten what happened on the show. Andor is ranked 4 for me. Ahsoka's mistake was trying to bring in new fans into Rebels story arc with the first 3 episodes. They should have just continued the Rebels arc. Ashoka was solid 4/5 for me but I can see why people were disappointed especially from the non-(clone wars and Rebels) fans.
Let's look at it this way: The Book of Boba Fett, Obi-Wan Kenobi, and The Ahsoka Show were really hyped. None of them achieved their hype. Every one of those shows had great potential, and they all missed the mark. The only good episodes of Boba Fett were stolen by the Mandalorian and Luke Skywalker, while Obi-Wan was more about Reva, and Ahsoka really didn't live up to what we knew from Rebels. Most Likely I would say Ahosoka was better than TBOBF and Obi-wan, and I would give the nod to TBOBF over Obi-wan because Fennec Shand stole the show. In all, they lacked greatly to what their potential was.
One of the commenters mentioned missed opportunities. I think that sums up Disney's Star Wars precisely and concisely.
after rewatching Andor all at once (not every week when it releases), that one should be 4.99 imho and I can't wait for S2 if it hopefully gets made...
The best part of writing in ESB were the lines targeted towards 3PO: “Chewie take the professor to the back and plug him into the hyperdrive!” also, “Shut him up, or shut him down!”
“Disney Star Wars” is the definition of “temper your expectations.”
Andor nr 1 Mandolorian S1-2 nr 2 and then that’s it right?
I am with you. The rest don't exist!!!
I also thought it was much better than BOBF but i think i may have given them the same score, and that's probably down to some law of diminishing returns.
I was expecting Ahsoka to be something stellar, something to renew the franchise, but it was just a bit of a mess.
I feel as though anything in the post ROTJ universe is going to suffer in this respect - the sequels have poisoned anything that could possibly be written.
I want to learn cgi and redo the scene where Huyang is attacked, and just have him catch ths fist and say "Do you think id be charged with the care of younglings" draws sabers "without being able to protect them?" Then we cut inside the ship and hear some screams in the distance.
I'm pretty sure that the reason that Ahsoka got a lower overall rating than Boba Fett is that people are just getting burned out on the mediocrity.
This show reminds me of HBO Rome Season 2. Where the pacing and logic kinda got scrambled because they had a bunch of seasons planned that they squished into 1. I wonder if this show had a similar situation where the plan got smashed by a change by the producers? Because i know filoni can write, rewatching rebels shows that he can write well paced emotional and interesting stories without plot holes. But this show does not show that. I feel like the script of this show needed another few drafts, particularily for the finale, and the editors needed to take another few months the manage the pacing better and clean up the show. Or just make a few more episodes, im tired of every show being only 8 episodes nowadays, the writers cant figure out how to pace seasons well for 8 episodes, so either cut out dumb stuff and do 4 or 5 good ones. Or just do 12 or 15 episodes or something and let the characters and plotlines breathe.
Going along with the criticisms of the new galaxy as a whole, the MCU only used Morag and Vormir for one thing each, and both of those planets were more interesting in concept than anything presented in this show, let alone all the wild stuff we saw in the prequels.
For me. 1. Andor 2. Mando s2 3. Mando s1 4. Ashoka 5. Kenobi 6. Mando s3 7. Book of boba fett
The show was ultimately more than good enough to keep me invested going forward.
That being said, if the Mortis aspect of this story arc doesn't go anywhere or Ahsoka's character is mishandled I'm probably checking out on Star Wars, at least anything taking place in the the Skywalker era.
When you compare the comments to the results there is something off. It seems most ppl in the comments have some brain and taste while 50% of voters where very happy with it. This does not add up 😂
Ahsoka really deserve a better score, but it just goes to show how important the ending is.
Please do a video showing the dwindiling viewership of the Star Wars shows. Samba TV's data shows they lost 30% of viewers/households between the premier and the finale.
Personally I'm not a fan of the Mortis Gods, the World Between Worlds or how Nightsisters are using actual magic now where in the EU it was just using the Force but using "spells" as a way to channel it. So you could say I'm not into the more mysticism elements of Star Wars that the Filoni involved projects have explored. So it makes me wonder just how accessible to more casual fans that haven't watched TCW or Rebels that the Filoni movie will be. A lot of heavy praise I've seen for this show are from fans that have watched TCW & Rebels and I've seen so many people retort to any criticism of this show that "well if you'd watched all of TCW & Rebels you'd find it amazing" etc.
Everything that is more mystical than the force is stupid and shouldn't belong in star wars. No gods, no space Wales or whatever dumb shit the cowboy-hat is coming up with. He's the main reason why star wars has no future. His dumb stuff pushes the average science fiction fan away from star wars
@@michaelkohl2250well, Filoni thinks you have to add new things to Star Wars otherwise it gets boring and stale.
Thanks for speaking the truth Thor. Start Wars deserves better writing!
Missed opportunity. That's what a lot of Disney Star Was has been. Missed opportunity to bring the Clone Wars/Rebels characters to the normie crows who didn't get into the cartoons for whatever taste-derived reason. Ahsoka was simply a continuation of those shows, and that's the crowd it pleased. More or less. Maybe. All the time tallied that went to long, meaningful stares could have been invested in explaining to people coming into the show with no background in the cartoons who they were, why they were important, and what the threat was. The council sessions with Hera would have been a great vehicle for that, as she explains things to people like the audience who know nothing. And, I doubt fans who are versed in Filoni's back-log of work would have minded a recap. That's kinda what we got with the flashback/death dream, anyway.
Missed opportunity.
Not only was the Anakin lesson vague, but the season to that point didn’t even establish that a lesson was even needed? Was there an outstanding lesson from Rebels that was unresolved? Or are we expected to go all the way back to the Clone Wars show to when she left Anakin? If that’s the case, why the hell was it within this series?!?
some star wars fans are nitpicky divas that cannot be pleased.
Hey Thor, this is a question I have been wondering for a while. If you recall a lot of people really disliked the prequels back in the day that they came out, but now, around 20 years later I would say that by and large people are accepting them for what they are (if not like myself really loving them and considering them great star wars content). I know this could (and probably is) in large part because of the fantastic Clone Wars series, so my question is: Do you think that people will ever warm up to the sequels/other less-than-stellar Disney Star Wars era content? Do you think that fan views could change in say... 10 or 20 years later? I know that Disney is trying (and we can debate about how successful they have been...) to patch up the gaps that ultimately lead to these films, so... do you think that in a bit of time, there will be a general acceptance (or possibly even enjoyment) of them by even the hardcore star wars fans in the future?
No one changed their mind tho, kids just grew up and replaced older fandom that Disney is so eager to get rid of from the fanbase.
No. I still really dislike the Prequels. Plinkett was not wrong about any of his criticism.
Like I said though, Im not saying EVERYBODY likes them, but for the most part, fans have more or less come to accept them (at least better than the sequels).
I thought it was good but wished Sabine had more spirit, she just seemed numb. Nothing like Rebels Sabine. Yes she’s older but she shouldn’t be a lonely cat lady Mandolorian.
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Hey @thorskywalker so was Marroc reanimated nightsister magic or was the dark green smoke something his species does? If tales of the Jedi is cannon then does that mean the Inqusitor that Ahsoka kills in that show is either the same species or reanimated with nightsister magic? reason i ask is if it is Nightsister magic then would mean Morgan Elspeth was working for the inqusitorius/Empire back during the Jedi purge? I thought Palpatine had mostly purged the nightsisters... Also we saw Night sister magic reanimation smoke at the end of Ahsoka series and its a much lighter green, more consistent with clone wars/Fallen Order night sister reanimation magic smoke... what are your thoughts??
I’m sure there will be book or comic all about Marrok since Filoni couldn’t be bothered to explain.
Why are you doing a poll for peoples reranking of Ahsoka when you have not done the HK-47 video yet.
On its own, Ahsoka is an ok (3-star) show, better than the likes of kenobi or the sequel trilogy but not as good as Rogue one or Mandlorian s1,2. But when this show is supposedly the ceiling of Disney Star Wars, then this show becomes a massive disappointment.
I have a feeling people will change there minds about Ahsoka latter because Ill be brutally honest its not as bad as people say...I dont see it at all 🙄It has too much cool stuff in the show....
It's the opposite of that. When time passes ppl will see how dumb this whole show was when all the dopamine from "oh my god, look, it's anakin" and the rest of the stupid fan service is gone
Hey Thor! As far as I’m concerned, you never need to explain yourself for having a balanced view which attracts an audience with a balanced view. It’s balanced because the audience feels comfortable expressing their opinions regardless of where they fall on the spectrum.
If you don’t like Star Wars it’s time to stop watching! These shows are a dream come true to me! I never thought we’d be getting such great Star Wars shows and films! Seems you guys have outgrown Star Wars! Find something else to watch!😊
Brooo so true !!!! People will complain that ahsoka had very little character development. Or that thrawn had a whole army along with witches that can track people but couldn't find his hated enemy ezra hanging out with some crabs with in walking distance. Or that thrawn used to be scary because of how often he would win, but this time he basically lost the whole show and barely excaped making him look like a fraud. Or how saben was stabbed with a plasma sword and lived but qui gon died a similar injury. They just don't get it . If you don't think about it is good !!!! I personally love this show
@@bobstevemd3265 I know it’s like they dont realize that sone people survive certain wounds and others don’t all the time in real life! That there are many factors when people actually die and that two people or the actual wounds could’ve very different! The time tgat they received space medical care could have been different! Hell healthcare could actually have improved in the 30 years between the two wounds!
I said it before and I’ll say it again, when I heard about them going to a new galaxy, I was hoping beyond hope that the new galaxy was the extended universe. That would’ve been so much better than the nonsense that was given to us.
Hey Thor.
I love the period between episode 3-4, birth of the rebellion and other rebellion stories.
However, as has been said, all roads leads to the sequels which means nothing that happens actually mean anything, it can be great stories in itself of course but it still ends with the sequels. The same provlem exists with the old republic, we know how it ends.
My suggestion would be to fully embrace the sequels and continue the story beyond them and give us something new that we don't know how it will end. I was not a fan of the sequels but I could become a fan of what comes after...
I don't get the hate, I thought it was great. I've been a critic of the prequels and sequels, but I cannot see the issue with ashoka.
For one thing, it's not very emotional.
Seriously? How?
We expected a return from grace rather than a slightly better repeat of the same mistakes.
Sabine walked off a lightsaber through the gut as if it was nothing by the next episode... The very weapon which easily kills any extra.
More repeat of 'girl power' as not a single male is allowed to be competent except for the evil male Jedi.
All of episode 8.
Again... Sabine never talking about the map to Ezra! She just walked off and ignored what any other show would have talked about to earn that emotional climax and possible consequences... And didn't because it might make Sabine look bad.
Seriously everyone was focused on that decision and what it meant just for it to be completely ignored by the writers probably due to higher ups not wanting generic female power up girl 4 to have any possible negative things happen to her.
Sabine went from a character people remembered... To a generic Rey knockoff.
My thoughts on the force lesson: think about on Luke’s vision from episode 5. It didn’t hold your hand or explain the lesson luke needed to learn. Personally I don’t need concrete explanations of the force in every aspect of starwars for me to enjoy it.
What is your understanding of that scene? I think that scene is much easier to understand and actually means something to the character
It didn't need to hold your hand because it was filmed really well and you were able to grasp what was going on. And at the end of the movie you were able to fully understand what it meant once you knew the truth of who Vader was (I won't say who he is to avoid spoilers).
Ahsoka never did that it. It was just a member berry episode that meant nothing except for making Ahsoka a Zombie Jedi.