I met my mentor four years into jewelry making, he's a retired chemistry professor and nuclear engineer. I can't wait to put hands on this process to refine all our scrap and upcycle silver containing materials. It's a breath of fresh air having informative materials from a content creator that values the viewer's time. With watch time taking priority more often than not on TH-cam, videos like this are so educationally valuable. Thank you for sharing your knowledge, time, and experience. I wasn't able to follow you on social media, you may have your visibility/privacy settings set to where we can't find your page.
@stephenscordato4321 I appreciate your compliments and they mean a lot to me. I'm working hard to bring new material to TH-cam. We have some great stuff coming up in December. The 4 Horsemen Metal Refining System is now available for sale on the website - anthonythomas.us/merchandise/ols/products/4-horsemen-refining-kit Thanks for your continued support. The social media links have been updated. Facebook - facebook.com/anthonythomasfmg Instagram - instagram.com/anthonythomasfmg X - x.com/AnthonyTFMG Rumble - rumble.com/c/c-5101360
All of your videos on refining silver from plate have been very illuminating. I've got some period Sheffield sandwich plate I really want to see the recovery percentages from; just broken pieces though I'm not refining a thing of beauty. Thanks for the videos really interesting stuff I've been watching more than once and taking notes!
Anthony, I loved this video. As a retired hobby refiner, I had a similar system. Watching others' videos, I often comment on how they waste their reagents that they could recover. Thanks for the video. It's nice to see that you're a new problem solver. Teaching the novices how it should be done.
I love how nice your electrolysis setup is, and I'm blown away by how clean your whole lab is. I'd love to see a video on how you extracted that nice, clean nickel sulfate. 🙂
Thank you so much, tile work bench is great for cleaning! Nickel Sulfate video should be up in about a month. Thanks so much for watching. New video this friday.
Good evening Anthony, hope all is well. I wanted to pass on A suggestion that may be a big help to you and everyone else is on those ground glass 24/40 joints. I've seen other chemists when they were doing fractal distillations, even on sulfuric acid, using PTFE tape in lieu of expensive high temperature joint grease or sulfuric acid in the ground glass joints as a sealing agent.
I thoroughly enjoy your content, and I likely will replicate the concepts for with my own twist on it. Either way very interesting and I think you created a rather effective model for an electrolytic cell metal refining.
Way to know whether you have added enough sulfuric acid to the copper nitrate solution: take a drop of solution, put in small beaker & heat to desiccation. If copper sulfate only, will be white powder. If copper nitrate is left, you will see dark powder (copper oxide from decomposed copper nitrate, you need to add more sulfuric acid).
Have you considered using oxalic acid to free the nitric acid by precipitating copper oxalate as a solid, filtering, and just boiling the supernatant nitric acid to concentrate? No distillation required. I believe NurdRage did a video on it recently.
@@anthonythomasfmg Apparently the transition metal oxalates are so insoluble it pushes the reaction forwardZ The oxalates can then be burned to leave the metal oxides and or carbonate behind which can be redissolved should one desire
At 12:50, why was the cement silver green? Was that silver refined with nitric then brought out of solution with copper? Was there still some active nitric when you precipitated the silver?
Great question. Cement silver, depending on how thorough you rinse it, which in this case I didn't rinse completely, will always have some copper in it. What looks like a lot of green in reality is very little in comparison by weight. The Silver Cell takes care of the rest. Thanks for watching!
@@anthonythomasfmg I gotcha. I refine on a smaller scale and run a very small cell compared to yours. Did you make the silver nitrate for your cells or buy it? I noticed you mentioned 3 thousand dollars worth of silver nitrate. How many grams of silver per liter are in the silver nitrate electrolyte you use?
@@Steelythestacker I bought a fair amount to begin with but now I mostly reuse. I will still buy some from time to time. Recovery rate is usually about 80% (still trying to figure my rate exactly).
@@anthonythomasfmg I make mine by refining 999 silver in nitric. You have to make sure you have enough silver per liter and you also have to make sure you naturally use all the nitric. You end up with a perfectly clear electrolyte with a known amount of silver per liter. The only issue I had was the first batch of crystal I made was wispy thin crystals, not the thick chunky large faceted crystals I wanted. I found by adding just a few ml of copper sulfate from a previous sterling refine to the electrolyte it fattened the crystals. I also notice you are running 12 volts. I have had my best luck running about 3.75 volts. I'm sure it's a slower process, but you may like the results. Just some food for thought.
Your explanations are fantastic, and your lab is very clean! I have been trying to extract nickel from my sulfate solutions for months, but to no avail. I've used platinum mesh anodes (both real and fake, unfortunately), tried converting nickel sulfate to nickel chloride, precipitating out with zinc - and none of them seem to be effective. The only reason I don't precipitate with aluminum is because I haven't found a use for aluminum sulfate. How do you get the nickel out of solution AND keep your sulfuric acid?
Hi Anthony Thomas, Nice video and process. I wonder what you would do when you have some rhodiated silver jewerly? Usually with me when I have some, the silver that dissolves into nitric acid aside with a tiny amount of Cu (evidenced by a blue hue tinge) and the remaining (noble metal plating to avoid corrosion by sweat) is a black-silvery flaky powder. Also there may be slightly some Hg metal into your refining process since HgSO4 is one of the three precipitate test for sulfate anion (Ag(+) > Hg(2+) > Pb(2+)); the Ag has been excluded by cementation but this must leave Pb and Hg. Regards, PHZ (PHILOU Zrealone from the Science Madness forum) (Chemical and bio chemical engineer specialized into ogranic chemistry but passionate about Chemistry and Science-Technics since the age of 13 year old (now 49)).
Praise god brother! Keep up the good work. Quick question to anyone who sees this. Is there an optimal, reasonably safe voltage and amperage to use for electrolysis. I dont have a dedicated power supply but pleny of transformers.
What is the situation when I pour raw silver? There is no shine in all the tin. I ask you to explain the lack of shine. Thank you very much and respect.
The anode bottles are aspirator bottles with outlets. I believe they're 1000 ml bottles, but I may be wrong. They're standard labware that are purchased that way. Just look for "aspirator bottle with outlet" online. The round things in the outer jars are the cathodes. In the copper cells, they're just loops of copper wire. In the silver cells, they're cut and bent out of a sheet of stainless steel.
I am new to recovering any precious other than physically or by melting. I wanted to process some silver plated screws in a saltwater cell. Safe easy and suited for a beginner. My question would be this: I have silver plated screws 1/4”long x 1/8” thick! Could I use a stainless mesh ladle for anode? Process is by the ladle and just shake the ladle in a rinse pot then repeat?
@@hillbillycatfishin5860 Stainless will break down and contaminate your silver. You would have to use titanium, ruthenium, or platinum anode basket. There are some pretty cheap ones out there, $40ish. Look at pool cleaning suppliers online, some carry the mesh anodes that would be good for a basket.
No, graphite will break down. If you look closely at the thumbnail of 4 horsemen you can see the number one copper cell, anode bottle is black. I tried graphite, it did work but seperated in the acid. It stays in anode bottle and can be filtered out but extra work. Great question!
@@anthonythomasfmg I have no idea how rhodium would react. I've always just seen platinum and lead dioxide offered as the two possible choices in all of the sulfate-based electrolysis examples I've seen. I wanted to point out the other option knew would work. I meant to reply to @readoryx373 originally, since they were asking for an alternative for the anode. Forgot to tag them.
@@anthonythomasfmgNo idea. I'm not familiar with rhodium's properties. I just know from numerous demonstrations I've seen that lead dioxide and platinum are the two choices usually given for non-consumable anode materials when working with sulfuric/sulfate salt solutions.
@@johnmedlin7597 I use silver nitrate in the silver cells and copper sulfate in the copper cells. Silver nitrate is 175g / L. The copper sulfate is generated as a byproduct of the silver refining.
❤ You've peaked my curiosity ❤. I rarely respond to videos. I've been working with recycled electronics for less than a year and although I have recovered a few ounces of .999 silver and almost 15 grams of 22+ gold, I believe there's a lot more missed. I've been saving everything from my refining and now have a pile of circuit boards, about six or seven gallons of pretty much the same colored waste liquid as well as different undefined white, beige and yellow/orange powders and copper and lead bars from about 50 electronic devices. QUESTION, how do I identify this stuff 😊? (Cheaply) Your "four horse" system is a stroke of genius (👍❤️) and although my "wifie"(love you, she'll probably read this)😁 won't allow "household finances" to be used, I'll duplicate as close as possible the system with pyrex (not my wifes) from the dollar store (and a side job mowing my neighbor's lawn😂). Most acids are derived from household products , stump remover, pool supplies, vinegar, h2o2, ect... Thanks for your encouragement through the videos. It's crossed my mind that I'm crazy to continue with refining and just recycle but I really enjoy "exprementing" with chemistry and I'm not allowed to play with fire at the homestead 😁👍❤️🙏 🙏JESUS IS LORD OF MY LIFE AND THE ONLY WAY TO GOD OUR FATHER 🙏
"White/beige/yellow/orange powders" is likely from the tin in the electronics solder. It's generally a white/gray after it gets eaten by Nitric, and then gets the tan/orange color from iron oxides. You should be able to rinse the color off of it by washing with dilute nitric, but if it's tin, it also tends to clog filters badly. Other things that turn white are silver when it touches any hint of chlorine (say, from HCl, Chloride salts, and tap water), and lead sulfate, if it sulfuric acid was involved, or evolved. If you can handle the opposite of these clean videos, TH-camr Omegageek64 has videos on an assortment of Tin-reclaiming experiments.
Good point, I am testing constantly for silver sulfate. So far, I am fairly certain that the amount of silver lost to sulfiding is very low but yet is still a concern. I have noticed that when you flood the solution with base metals +99% of the silver settles out. So it's a good idea to flood your waste solutions with base metals before distillation.
@@buckstarchaser2376 The first weekend I fired this thing up it ate all my copper cathode because I had nitric left from digesting gold plated pins. I am very new to this so I appreciate the comments. Go watch Nurdrage along with this to get a more complete understanding.
Hello, your video showed up on my suggestions page, and I can see that you are a firm believer in God (I assume you mean the God in Christianity). I am a chemical engineer, raised in a Christian household, but am struggling with my belief. I would like to ask you why you personally believe in God? Thanks.
Yes, I follow christ. Right now the world is struggling with their belief as well, and look at the world. I have lived life for myself and lost, I am living for God and I am at peace. God bless you and I will include you in my prayers. Start very small and God will do very big things. If they forbear, let them forbear.
It's very ironic to make a comment such as "no complaining without suggesting solutions." It's fine if those are your words to live by, but it's deeply contradictory to give such an ultimatum to others as if it's a law of the universe. For instance, by that rational, I'd not be able to complain about the remark, dispite having the freedom to say what I like in this country (as do you, I assume.) The tricky part is that the solution is simple: You shouldn't try to control what others are allowed to say. EDIT: To clarify, my issue with the statement is that he's saying you aren't free to say *X* unless you also say *Y.* This is called Compelled Speech. It's rude for an American to say something like that to another American, as if you have more rights than a fellow citizen, or even a visitor here. I hope this clears up why it bothers me.
How can the solution be simple yet tricky? The irony is that your complaint comes with the very thing you said I shouldn't do. Your words were, "You shouldn't try to control what others are allowed to say". Who is telling whom what to do? My words were, "No complaining with out solutions", which is simply good advice, not an ultimatum. It means complain away, but you better have your facts straight when you complain, because you're asking for it, so long as free speech remains. It is wise to think through our complaints, as you have. Saying I placed an ultimatum means you have granted me power I don't have. We make choices as individuals and choices have consequence. You are free to complain and say anything you like. I choose to offer solutions when I complain, which shows that I fully grasp the problem and I am willing to stand upright for my choices in life. God bless you! I love you and Jesus loves you!
@@anthonythomasfmg I don't mean to be rude. However, I do think that telling people not to complain is rude. Complaining can also be rude, but it's not inherently so, nor so much as telling people how to speak. I mainly take offense to it because it is too broad. There are many issues in the world that someone may complain about, yet not be **able** to come up with a solution even if given a lifetime. Many of these difficult situations are simply written-off with comments such as "it is what it is" or "that's life." It was less so to do with your video, but moreso with my perception of the world as people seems to fall prey to these kinds of trappings. People will go around in circles with platitudes that ultimately serve to stifle progress or drawing attention to the problems in the first place. The remark I complained about does just that. People generally only complain about problems. Problems are best resolved with communication of the topic, but saying "no complaining with out solutions" implies that you'd rather people not talk at all about problems (without offering solutions), as even talking about a problem is likely to be considered complaining. Further, if one person does finally come up with a solution, but it's a bad solution, by the logic of the statement, people wouldn't be allowed to complain about the issues it poses. I don't mean to be contrary, and I hope you'll forgive me for thinking too much into the comment. God bless.
Irony, indeed... The psychology of your statement also deserves a larger mirror. For, It's a sign of good leadership to encourage solutions along with VALID complaints. This ideal enables trust and open communication within any workforce. To authorize any noise at all from a belligerent audience is simply wasteful of one's time. It is, in fact, quite reasonable to request that such attitudes be left at the door, or those who carry them need not attend the lecture. Dedication over time! And now, I'm wasting my time with you... Good day! 😂
@@highseassailor Are you referring to my statement, or Anthony's? You seem to be talking about his statement and why it's a good thing, but also replying to me, so I'm a bit confused. Ultimately, in response to your point, I can agree with the sentiment. Anthony didn't reply to me, so perhaps he also agrees that it's not worth the time. But valid complaints don't automatically have solutions. If they did, the world would be perfect and there would be no room for complaints, perhaps outside of lazy people who ignored those hypothetically obvious solutions. Most problems (aka things to validly complain about) only exist because they are so nuanced that they don't have an obvious solution (barring pure laziness). In those cases, discourse is needed with many people to develop a solution. This moreso comes off as someone who is annoyed by complaining, as if it's a pet-peeve. That in itself is a personal problem, and would best be worked through, rather than complaining that others aren't allowed to also complain unless they meet your conditions. And he's also not addressing a "workforce" in his video. He's talking to an audience. He's not obligated to reply to my comment, or deal with wasting his time as a result of it. I wouldn't say I am belligerent, either. I pointed out that something was rather rude, and people are free to disagree. And yes, I did stop watching when he said the comment that offended me, not personally, but broadly. I believe it's a statement that is breeding ignorance while also preemptively "complaining about complaining" so that you get less complaints. It's hypocritical and naive. I also don't see why you'd have to act like I'm wasting your time. Why make it personal? EDIT: To clarify, my issue with the statement is that he's saying you aren't free to say *X* unless you also say *Y.* This is called Compelled Speech. It's rude for an American to say something like that to another American, as if you have more rights than a fellow citizen, or even a visitor here. I hope this clears up why it bothers me.
I met my mentor four years into jewelry making, he's a retired chemistry professor and nuclear engineer. I can't wait to put hands on this process to refine all our scrap and upcycle silver containing materials. It's a breath of fresh air having informative materials from a content creator that values the viewer's time. With watch time taking priority more often than not on TH-cam, videos like this are so educationally valuable. Thank you for sharing your knowledge, time, and experience. I wasn't able to follow you on social media, you may have your visibility/privacy settings set to where we can't find your page.
@stephenscordato4321 I appreciate your compliments and they mean a lot to me. I'm working hard to bring new material to TH-cam. We have some great stuff coming up in December. The 4 Horsemen Metal Refining System is now available for sale on the website - anthonythomas.us/merchandise/ols/products/4-horsemen-refining-kit
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Recycling the nitric is pure brilliance thanks
Thank you and thanks for watching! I have to give some credit to NurdRage for all of his great nitric acid videos!
All of your videos on refining silver from plate have been very illuminating. I've got some period Sheffield sandwich plate I really want to see the recovery percentages from; just broken pieces though I'm not refining a thing of beauty. Thanks for the videos really interesting stuff I've been watching more than once and taking notes!
@@anthonythomasfmg Yes Nurdrage is very good. The recycling aspect of the process is really good with your videos too though
Anthony, I loved this video. As a retired hobby refiner, I had a similar system. Watching others' videos, I often comment on how they waste their reagents that they could recover. Thanks for the video. It's nice to see that you're a new problem solver. Teaching the novices how it should be done.
I love how nice your electrolysis setup is, and I'm blown away by how clean your whole lab is.
I'd love to see a video on how you extracted that nice, clean nickel sulfate. 🙂
Thank you so much, tile work bench is great for cleaning! Nickel Sulfate video should be up in about a month. Thanks so much for watching. New video this friday.
Good evening Anthony, hope all is well. I wanted to pass on A suggestion that may be a big help to you and everyone else is on those ground glass 24/40 joints. I've seen other chemists when they were doing fractal distillations, even on sulfuric acid, using PTFE tape in lieu of expensive high temperature joint grease or sulfuric acid in the ground glass joints as a sealing agent.
Beat me to it, PTFE tape, inexpensive with good results.
I like how you combine steps on doing things together. IE heat from the hotplate to dry the silver and clean the next batch for processing.
Thank you! Life is short, gotta squeeze out every drop.
I came here because I am a refiner too, I stayed because your initial declaration! Kudos to you sir!
Thank you! Great compliment, God bless.
@anthonythomasfmg hey bud, where can we find your music? That's something I could listen to while doin my metal work
I'm learning a lot. From you. 👍
Good work. Really good work. I’ll to set this up at my school. I have only been doing one step at a time. Can’t wait to try.
Awesome, thanks! I'd love to see pictures of your 4 Horsemen someday.
I thoroughly enjoy your content, and I likely will replicate the concepts for with my own twist on it. Either way very interesting and I think you created a rather effective model for an electrolytic cell metal refining.
Thank you! Glad you liked it. Chemistry is pretty awesome!
Excellent tutorial, subscribed.
Great video with clear and precise instructions. I will definatley will try this method sometime.
Thank you, glad you lied it.
Great show. Thanks for your knowledge 😊
I appreciate that, thank you very much!
Just wow, how to recycle as we go, great channel!
Thank you, sincerely.
Way to know whether you have added enough sulfuric acid to the copper nitrate solution: take a drop of solution, put in small beaker & heat to desiccation. If copper sulfate only, will be white powder. If copper nitrate is left, you will see dark powder (copper oxide from decomposed copper nitrate, you need to add more sulfuric acid).
@@bpark10001 Good tip! Thanks
Have you considered using oxalic acid to free the nitric acid by precipitating copper oxalate as a solid, filtering, and just boiling the supernatant nitric acid to concentrate?
No distillation required.
I believe NurdRage did a video on it recently.
Interesting suggestion, I will have to look into that. Will the oxalic acid precepitate everything, I wonder... Thanks! Good suggestion.
@@anthonythomasfmg Apparently the transition metal oxalates are so insoluble it pushes the reaction forwardZ
The oxalates can then be burned to leave the metal oxides and or carbonate behind which can be redissolved should one desire
You're doing a great job keep up the good work.
Thanks! 🍒
Great well thought out setup many thanks
Awesome that you put God first above all.
If someone wanted to get started doing this, do you have a setup guide? Things needed cost to get going, things for beginners.
Not yet, but I'm working on something like that. For now, just my videos. Thanks for watching.
God bless you brother
Good job sir
Thank you!
Great content! And I like your way being human!!!
It's actually hard to be yourself on camera. Kind of like life! Thank you so much for the compliment.
At 12:50, why was the cement silver green? Was that silver refined with nitric then brought out of solution with copper? Was there still some active nitric when you precipitated the silver?
Great question. Cement silver, depending on how thorough you rinse it, which in this case I didn't rinse completely, will always have some copper in it. What looks like a lot of green in reality is very little in comparison by weight. The Silver Cell takes care of the rest. Thanks for watching!
@@anthonythomasfmg I gotcha. I refine on a smaller scale and run a very small cell compared to yours. Did you make the silver nitrate for your cells or buy it? I noticed you mentioned 3 thousand dollars worth of silver nitrate. How many grams of silver per liter are in the silver nitrate electrolyte you use?
@@Steelythestacker I bought a fair amount to begin with but now I mostly reuse. I will still buy some from time to time. Recovery rate is usually about 80% (still trying to figure my rate exactly).
@@Steelythestacker About 150g / Liter silver nitrate X 5 liters + 100oz in aspirater bottle if you melt shot.
@@anthonythomasfmg I make mine by refining 999 silver in nitric. You have to make sure you have enough silver per liter and you also have to make sure you naturally use all the nitric. You end up with a perfectly clear electrolyte with a known amount of silver per liter. The only issue I had was the first batch of crystal I made was wispy thin crystals, not the thick chunky large faceted crystals I wanted. I found by adding just a few ml of copper sulfate from a previous sterling refine to the electrolyte it fattened the crystals. I also notice you are running 12 volts. I have had my best luck running about 3.75 volts. I'm sure it's a slower process, but you may like the results. Just some food for thought.
Your explanations are fantastic, and your lab is very clean! I have been trying to extract nickel from my sulfate solutions for months, but to no avail. I've used platinum mesh anodes (both real and fake, unfortunately), tried converting nickel sulfate to nickel chloride, precipitating out with zinc - and none of them seem to be effective. The only reason I don't precipitate with aluminum is because I haven't found a use for aluminum sulfate. How do you get the nickel out of solution AND keep your sulfuric acid?
Hi Anthony Thomas,
Nice video and process.
I wonder what you would do when you have some rhodiated silver jewerly?
Usually with me when I have some, the silver that dissolves into nitric acid aside with a tiny amount of Cu (evidenced by a blue hue tinge) and the remaining (noble metal plating to avoid corrosion by sweat) is a black-silvery flaky powder.
Also there may be slightly some Hg metal into your refining process since HgSO4 is one of the three precipitate test for sulfate anion (Ag(+) > Hg(2+) > Pb(2+)); the Ag has been excluded by cementation but this must leave Pb and Hg.
Regards,
PHZ
(PHILOU Zrealone from the Science Madness forum)
(Chemical and bio chemical engineer specialized into ogranic chemistry but passionate about Chemistry and Science-Technics since the age of 13 year old (now 49)).
Are the copper nodules formed at 10:39 solid 🤔 enough to take a polish or more 🧽 sponge like material?
The ones in the video were solid copper and would shine right up.
Praise god brother! Keep up the good work. Quick question to anyone who sees this. Is there an optimal, reasonably safe voltage and amperage to use for electrolysis. I dont have a dedicated power supply but pleny of transformers.
I stumbled upon gold revovery by watching a Sreetips video where he had a silver cell. I was hooked
Tell us about the cathode materials.
Cathode in the copper cells is just copper wire. The silver cells have stainless steel cathodes made of sheet metal.
What is the situation when I pour raw silver? There is no shine in all the tin. I ask you to explain the lack of shine. Thank you very much and respect.
I still have two questions though. How is the anode bottle made and what is that round thing on the inside of the outer jar?
The anode bottles are aspirator bottles with outlets. I believe they're 1000 ml bottles, but I may be wrong. They're standard labware that are purchased that way. Just look for "aspirator bottle with outlet" online.
The round things in the outer jars are the cathodes. In the copper cells, they're just loops of copper wire. In the silver cells, they're cut and bent out of a sheet of stainless steel.
@@TheRealWeirdoC Cool. Thanks.
I am new to recovering any precious other than physically or by melting. I wanted to process some silver plated screws in a saltwater cell. Safe easy and suited for a beginner. My question would be this: I have silver plated screws 1/4”long x 1/8” thick! Could I use a stainless mesh ladle for anode? Process is by the ladle and just shake the ladle in a rinse pot then repeat?
@@hillbillycatfishin5860 Stainless will break down and contaminate your silver. You would have to use titanium, ruthenium, or platinum anode basket. There are some pretty cheap ones out there, $40ish. Look at pool cleaning suppliers online, some carry the mesh anodes that would be good for a basket.
What size is the Aspirator bottle? Have you found any reason to go bigger like 10L beakers? Appreciate the knowledge sharing!
I believe he's using 1-liter aspirator bottles in 5-liter beakers.
I ended up with 2l aspirator bottles so I had to goto a 10l beaker
Things are monsters lol
@@RobHoogeveen-c3q I'm using a soda bottle inside a thrift store coffee carafe to get started. I'm broke as a joke. 😂
Bigger is not better I found. The two liter aspirator bottles get really heavy if you put to much inside.
Nice shell necklace. 👀
Has anyone tried using a piece of copper wire like a twist tie to hold the filter on?
Have you found a reliable way to recover the nickel metal?
What exactly are the liquids in the 4 horseman?
Conner is here and been looking for another channel besides sreetips!!! He's my dude tho! Love your setup
What's got got to do with any of this?.
Will a graphite anode substitute for a platinized anode to scrub the remaining metals from the dirty copper sulphate waste?
No, graphite will break down. If you look closely at the thumbnail of 4 horsemen you can see the number one copper cell, anode bottle is black. I tried graphite, it did work but seperated in the acid. It stays in anode bottle and can be filtered out but extra work. Great question!
For this reaction, you need either platinum or lead dioxide for the anode. Titanium anodes coated with either one will work as well.
@@TheRealWeirdoC I have been using platinum coated Ti. I have a rhodium coated Ti that I want to try, any idea how that would work?
@@anthonythomasfmg I have no idea how rhodium would react. I've always just seen platinum and lead dioxide offered as the two possible choices in all of the sulfate-based electrolysis examples I've seen. I wanted to point out the other option knew would work.
I meant to reply to @readoryx373 originally, since they were asking for an alternative for the anode. Forgot to tag them.
@@anthonythomasfmgNo idea. I'm not familiar with rhodium's properties. I just know from numerous demonstrations I've seen that lead dioxide and platinum are the two choices usually given for non-consumable anode materials when working with sulfuric/sulfate salt solutions.
Shalom brother
Peace be with you!
You should lubricate and seal the joint with solid petroleum jelly.
Before destilation process
Can somone tell me what liquids a being used. Is it aqua reige
@@johnmedlin7597 I use silver nitrate in the silver cells and copper sulfate in the copper cells. Silver nitrate is 175g / L. The copper sulfate is generated as a byproduct of the silver refining.
is the silver cement less pure than the crystals?
Yes, depending on how well you process, I would say cement silver is 1% to 2% less pure than crystals. Crystals should be 999+. Thanks for watching!
❤ You've peaked my curiosity ❤. I rarely respond to videos.
I've been working with recycled electronics for less than a year and although I have recovered a few ounces of .999 silver and almost 15 grams of 22+ gold, I believe there's a lot more missed.
I've been saving everything from my refining and now have a pile of circuit boards, about six or seven gallons of pretty much the same colored waste liquid as well as different undefined white, beige and yellow/orange powders and copper and lead bars from about 50 electronic devices.
QUESTION, how do I identify this stuff 😊? (Cheaply)
Your "four horse" system is a stroke of genius (👍❤️) and although my "wifie"(love you, she'll probably read this)😁 won't allow "household finances" to be used, I'll duplicate as close as possible the system with pyrex (not my wifes) from the dollar store (and a side job mowing my neighbor's lawn😂).
Most acids are derived from household products , stump remover, pool supplies, vinegar, h2o2, ect...
Thanks for your encouragement through the videos. It's crossed my mind that I'm crazy to continue with refining and just recycle but I really enjoy "exprementing" with chemistry and I'm not allowed to play with fire at the homestead 😁👍❤️🙏
🙏JESUS IS LORD OF MY LIFE AND THE ONLY WAY TO GOD OUR FATHER 🙏
"White/beige/yellow/orange powders" is likely from the tin in the electronics solder. It's generally a white/gray after it gets eaten by Nitric, and then gets the tan/orange color from iron oxides. You should be able to rinse the color off of it by washing with dilute nitric, but if it's tin, it also tends to clog filters badly. Other things that turn white are silver when it touches any hint of chlorine (say, from HCl, Chloride salts, and tap water), and lead sulfate, if it sulfuric acid was involved, or evolved.
If you can handle the opposite of these clean videos, TH-camr Omegageek64 has videos on an assortment of Tin-reclaiming experiments.
God Bless AT
Could be silver sulfate
Good point, I am testing constantly for silver sulfate. So far, I am fairly certain that the amount of silver lost to sulfiding is very low but yet is still a concern. I have noticed that when you flood the solution with base metals +99% of the silver settles out. So it's a good idea to flood your waste solutions with base metals before distillation.
what happened to cupper sulfate with sodium borohydride ???
Could you go over cuS04 to CuNo3 a little bit more I have to much nitric in my solution
He said he adds a little more H2SO4 after the first run and runs it again.
I’ve been running my copper cell for about 3 weeks it’s really slow but it’s transferring copper.
@@RobHoogeveen-c3q We appear to be talking about two different things. The copper cell (the electrowinning cell) does not use any HNO3.
@@buckstarchaser2376 The first weekend I fired this thing up it ate all my copper cathode because I had nitric left from digesting gold plated pins. I am very new to this so I appreciate the comments. Go watch Nurdrage along with this to get a more complete understanding.
Your way looks promising. Better than Sree I guess. no pun intended for him, as he probably is very knowledgeable guy too
Hello, your video showed up on my suggestions page, and I can see that you are a firm believer in God (I assume you mean the God in Christianity). I am a chemical engineer, raised in a Christian household, but am struggling with my belief. I would like to ask you why you personally believe in God?
Thanks.
Yes, I follow christ. Right now the world is struggling with their belief as well, and look at the world. I have lived life for myself and lost, I am living for God and I am at peace. God bless you and I will include you in my prayers. Start very small and God will do very big things. If they forbear, let them forbear.
Please start a patrion series Anthony.
It's very ironic to make a comment such as "no complaining without suggesting solutions." It's fine if those are your words to live by, but it's deeply contradictory to give such an ultimatum to others as if it's a law of the universe. For instance, by that rational, I'd not be able to complain about the remark, dispite having the freedom to say what I like in this country (as do you, I assume.) The tricky part is that the solution is simple: You shouldn't try to control what others are allowed to say.
EDIT: To clarify, my issue with the statement is that he's saying you aren't free to say *X* unless you also say *Y.* This is called Compelled Speech. It's rude for an American to say something like that to another American, as if you have more rights than a fellow citizen, or even a visitor here. I hope this clears up why it bothers me.
How can the solution be simple yet tricky? The irony is that your complaint comes with the very thing you said I shouldn't do. Your words were, "You shouldn't try to control what others are allowed to say". Who is telling whom what to do? My words were, "No complaining with out solutions", which is simply good advice, not an ultimatum. It means complain away, but you better have your facts straight when you complain, because you're asking for it, so long as free speech remains.
It is wise to think through our complaints, as you have. Saying I placed an ultimatum means you have granted me power I don't have. We make choices as individuals and choices have consequence. You are free to complain and say anything you like. I choose to offer solutions when I complain, which shows that I fully grasp the problem and I am willing to stand upright for my choices in life. God bless you! I love you and Jesus loves you!
@@anthonythomasfmg I don't mean to be rude. However, I do think that telling people not to complain is rude. Complaining can also be rude, but it's not inherently so, nor so much as telling people how to speak. I mainly take offense to it because it is too broad. There are many issues in the world that someone may complain about, yet not be **able** to come up with a solution even if given a lifetime. Many of these difficult situations are simply written-off with comments such as "it is what it is" or "that's life." It was less so to do with your video, but moreso with my perception of the world as people seems to fall prey to these kinds of trappings.
People will go around in circles with platitudes that ultimately serve to stifle progress or drawing attention to the problems in the first place. The remark I complained about does just that. People generally only complain about problems. Problems are best resolved with communication of the topic, but saying "no complaining with out solutions" implies that you'd rather people not talk at all about problems (without offering solutions), as even talking about a problem is likely to be considered complaining. Further, if one person does finally come up with a solution, but it's a bad solution, by the logic of the statement, people wouldn't be allowed to complain about the issues it poses.
I don't mean to be contrary, and I hope you'll forgive me for thinking too much into the comment. God bless.
Irony, indeed...
The psychology of your statement also deserves a larger mirror. For, It's a sign of good leadership to encourage solutions along with VALID complaints. This ideal enables trust and open communication within any workforce. To authorize any noise at all from a belligerent audience is simply wasteful of one's time. It is, in fact, quite reasonable to request that such attitudes be left at the door, or those who carry them need not attend the lecture. Dedication over time!
And now, I'm wasting my time with you...
Good day!
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@@highseassailor Are you referring to my statement, or Anthony's? You seem to be talking about his statement and why it's a good thing, but also replying to me, so I'm a bit confused.
Ultimately, in response to your point, I can agree with the sentiment. Anthony didn't reply to me, so perhaps he also agrees that it's not worth the time. But valid complaints don't automatically have solutions. If they did, the world would be perfect and there would be no room for complaints, perhaps outside of lazy people who ignored those hypothetically obvious solutions. Most problems (aka things to validly complain about) only exist because they are so nuanced that they don't have an obvious solution (barring pure laziness). In those cases, discourse is needed with many people to develop a solution. This moreso comes off as someone who is annoyed by complaining, as if it's a pet-peeve. That in itself is a personal problem, and would best be worked through, rather than complaining that others aren't allowed to also complain unless they meet your conditions.
And he's also not addressing a "workforce" in his video. He's talking to an audience. He's not obligated to reply to my comment, or deal with wasting his time as a result of it. I wouldn't say I am belligerent, either. I pointed out that something was rather rude, and people are free to disagree. And yes, I did stop watching when he said the comment that offended me, not personally, but broadly. I believe it's a statement that is breeding ignorance while also preemptively "complaining about complaining" so that you get less complaints. It's hypocritical and naive.
I also don't see why you'd have to act like I'm wasting your time. Why make it personal?
EDIT: To clarify, my issue with the statement is that he's saying you aren't free to say *X* unless you also say *Y.* This is called Compelled Speech. It's rude for an American to say something like that to another American, as if you have more rights than a fellow citizen, or even a visitor here. I hope this clears up why it bothers me.
😂 sounds like my kids
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