Yeah takes some preparation while filming and have to sort things out more in post but I liked this Also being able to skip to a certain area of the design going forward going to try to do my reviews like this..
Yeah I’m trying to hit more things in my reviews and with the chapters to make it easier for everyone to just skip to certain parts on what the boat does.
@@WadeHarrison Would I be incorrect in presuming the Gnar is better in shallower conditions and practicing in slower conditions? The RMX looks like it is more of a precision boat that likes to be carrying speed. Thanks.
The code still great design but the lack of speed and edges is what holds that one back. The RMX seems to excel in so many ways definitely worth a try if you get the chance.
I have paddled the puffer but have not do a full review on it because it’s so similar to the regular steeze i feel the steeze is slightly slower but planes out better then the RMX steeze is a big water machine and falls short on lower volume creeks this boat excelled on lower volume creeks
Dam that difficult to give a good answer I want to say the RMX because it will challenge you more but really might be a lot of kayak for a newbie the code is just so predictable and takes care of you in everything but dam I love this RMX so really you need to demo both of these if you can.
@@WadeHarrison Glad I read the comments. I was about to ask this same question. I live in Idaho 45 min from the South Fork Payette put in... North Fork terrifies me. I'm more of a Banks put in for now. There is not a LL dealer located in Idaho... not sure where I could go demo a RMX... watching this vid right after your Code vids.... I'm really liking how agile the RMX looks getting into those eddies..... I don't have any bad habits yet... maybe I should just get one and learn on it.
Thanks for posting this, really fun to watch. I've got one of these on order, but am struggling with 96 or 86. I'm about 5'10 and 180 as well. But I'm also a newer paddler that does have a half slice and a playboat. What do you think about the 96 for someone your size who is more of a beginner?
You want to try the 86 I had a 96 for couple weeks paddling and I can make it work and see a place for it but as a all round daily driver I suggest the 86 ot just seems to fit perfectly at my weight
Heck yeah! I’ve been super excited to hear your take on the boat. I’ve been in the alpha 90 for a few years which I really enjoyed creating but since moving to Idaho I’ve been wanting more edge. I’ve been debating the scorch, code or gnar (haven’t demoed the gnar yet). NF Payette is my usual run, but there are plenty of overnights. What do you think about this boat for the Idaho classics? Also I’m 195, so think the 96 would be better for me since the extra space/volume would be nice for multi days out here? Thanks for always getting me stoked on a new boat!
I heard you say this boat needs driven but does that mean it doesn't accelerate/get up to speed as easy? I got a Waka puffy steeze and love it accept you really gotta paddle to accelerate it. Is that the case for the RMX also?
Yes very similar to the puffy I was meaning you don’t want to lay back and float this design like say you would a Z3 or something you need to be aggressively paddling it to really maximize its potential
@@WadeHarrison okay, thanks! What would be your best recommendation for a boat that paddles similar to a Puffy but is a little zippier / is easier to accelerate? I was thinking Scorch? I was thinking Scorch because it isnt as wide of a boat. Trying to get an idea on what to demo.
Thanks for the review. You mention keeping a forward position in this boat. What were you feeling when you ended up in the back seat? Offline? Twitchy? Also, was the thigh indexing narrower than the medium or large Scorch? Cheers
I found the sweet spot was center to slightly back but not seat position as much as body transfer when paddling this you really want to be mindful of how your loading off drops. This is one those designs that will challenge your paddling skills. And what I noticed it would get offline to easy when back seat but when upright it put more hull in the water and seemed to correct it. And I will do a comparison to the scorch soon
Hi Wade, I sat in the RMX 86, the thigh positioning seemed much more comfortable. It was a bit lower but wider than the Alpha and much roomier than the Delta. If Liquid Logic wants the PNW to catch the fever, they would do well to put a demo at Next Adventure. Fortunately NA has a Gnarvana demo. Cheers
They have arrived and are on the floor at NA, that’s where I sat in one. Looks like they were able to stick to a sleek design but keep it roomy and comfortable. Your footage shows it get from edge to edge quick. Hoping to finding out how twitchy the initial stability is and how loose the tracking is before buying a Gnarvana. Cheers!
I am a big LL fan. Relatively new to Whitewater with only 1 year of class II/III in a Remix 59. So happy this new boat arrived before I went with a Code or Z3. Do you recommend this one over the Code for someone that is not an aggressive paddler (yet)?
I want to say yes the RMX will be the best bet because this boat will make you a better kayaker in the long run. And handle about everything really good.The code will take care of you better but doesn’t challenge you much you can kinda just sit back and blast through everything. There’s times I would want the code and times I think this is better. If your only paddling low volume manky creeks go code. If want something more well rounded and fast go RMX. But really need to demo both to see what you think they really are very different.
Thx so much! Just heard from LL…a smaller boat is coming! Marcelo told me a few months…which is ok by me since I am in Pennsylvania. At 5’3 and 130lbs it may be a better fit. But will demo in the different sizes and try the code too.
@@nikkipa6113 Marcelo is awesome glad you chatted with him and yeah I was at the factory last week and that was confirmed when I was there I’m sure they will make some sort or announcement on it I was told by a very reliable source the mold is being made and will see something soon
Do you think this 86 will be pretty big for the 140lb and below crowd? At 135-140 I definitely preferred the sizing of the 69 over the 59 with the original remix. I'm not really in the market as just picked up a new Billy Goat, but I would really like to try one at some point. I have a bit of a soft spot for Liquidlogic boats, I've had quite a few of them over the years. Love your reviews by the way, I was really looking forward to this one.
Yeah that’s down there my buddy Matt jumped in in and he 140 and it didn’t seem big at all like it was sized really well if you’re ok will paddling a slightly bigger boat you will be fine in the 86 I’m caught like right on the bottom of the 96 and feel great in the 86
It really fast it Smokes the code like nothing it’s the fastest river running creeker out today i would love to do a head to head with the scorch x because I saying it now I think it’s faster then that one also
I recently bought the 96 as my go-to creekboat and agree with your review 100%. It tracked much better than a Gnarvana, Machno, and Code. I only wish it tracked as well as my Nirvana, although the Nirvana is more of a river runner having so much edge. I feel safer running big drops in the RMX.
Very interested in this boat, would love to demo one, how does it compare to 96? I noticed you edge side aggressive, is there a reason for it, I do like a narrow bow and wide at hips. Hmm Venom RMX or Lime Phoenix
@@WadeHarrison Thx for the offer, Pedro, I mean Pete picked one up, I am hoping he can let me try his after he gets some runs in it, he got 86, I am thinking 96, at 200lbs with gear, like the Phoenix alot of boat at great price. LL website all RMX are out of stock!
Looks sweet I'd love to try one out! In regards to the tracking it seems like the chrecteristic of high rockered boats are that they are not generally the best tracking designs......would you agree?
Yup it’s a trade off and you can overcome that by going longer like the scorch X or rounded the hull out like the alphas I did not mind it because I’m use to planning hull boats I like using the edges I just noted that in the review so to let paddlers know this is not a hop in and just take care of you designs
@@WadeHarrison Im also a fan of some rocker but I know folks that really aren't sold on the high rockered boats. Many of them have slalom backgrounds. and prefer the speed of a less rockered boat.
@@eddyhopperluke yeah I get that this one really surprised me it’s low in the stern and has a great edge to hold in place in rapids it was really fun to paddle
High rocker definitely reduces tracking. But, the sidewalls also factor hugely. The Code, OG, Gnarvana, and RMX have flared sidewalls, letting water flow easily under the side of the boat. This allows the boat to spin off track easily but also be easily corrected and maneuvered. Conversely, the Scorch has very vertical sidewalls, not allowing water to flow under the side of the boat easily. Therefore, it tracks hard but is harder to correct (I’m told by Scorch ninjas they use the edges too steer).
Thought my days in Logic were done after learning in an original remix…..not so fast. Interested in trying one now. Nice work Wade you always make me want to demo the latest/greatest. How many boats is too many?
I had (2) Remix 69's and of the 20+ or so boats l've owned over the my 22 years of boating it's defnitely in my top 3. Add that BA outfitting works for me and since my creeker/self-support boat is a Burn 3 large
We have the Spade Kayaks in our shop Clackamas River Outfitters outside of Portland Oregon USA on the Clackamas River. We imported one of each model Bliss, Joker, Royal Flush, Black Jack, and Queen of Hearts. We'd love to get one to Wade but not sure how we can get it to him for a reasonable price. If Spade wanted to help us get one to him I'd be happy too 😊
Pretty cool that you can't go wrong with any of these new creeker/river runners (Scorch, Code, Gnar, RMX). Basically, it's down to picking your style of paddling and/or deciding if one manufacturer's sizing suits you better. I'm ready for a Cross 2 now, lol.
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Nice. I like the way you edited this one. The 12 minute length, with shorter clips with more variety on different sections, is more fun to watch
Yeah takes some preparation while filming and have to sort things out more in post
but I liked this Also being able to skip to a certain area of the design going forward going to try to do my reviews like this..
Always good to hear how well a boat carries on the shoulder. Thanks for mentioning that.
Yeah I’m trying to hit more things in my reviews and with the chapters to make it easier for everyone to just skip to certain parts on what the boat does.
Is it worth upgrading from an Alpha to the RMX? Similar boats but seems like the RMX is an upgraded version
It’s definitely better then the alpha faster and a planning hull have to demo and get your own opinion that’s a tough call
awesome video and review. Best one yet from Mr. Wade Harrison.
Thanks buddy appreciate that and thanks for the extra clips 😉
Great stuff, Wade - thanks! So your on-water impression between it and the Gnar - would you say there was one that tracked better than the other?
Gnar tracks better in my opinion but I liked the RMX overall
@@WadeHarrison Would I be incorrect in presuming the Gnar is better in shallower conditions and practicing in slower conditions? The RMX looks like it is more of a precision boat that likes to be carrying speed. Thanks.
Great review! That boat looks so good I might have to get a new creeker…
Yeah this one was a blast to review LL did the Remix justice
Another great vid Wade. I've been paddling a Code for the last two years and loving it but I'm always curious about the grass on the other side.
The code still great design but the lack of speed and edges is what holds that one back. The RMX seems to excel in so many ways definitely worth a try if you get the chance.
for the stability, is it a spot between the primary and secondary or it is instead full of primary stability?
agree
Hey Wade, what're your thoughts on this vs the puffy steeze? Did you put out a video comparing those two at all?
I have paddled the puffer but have not do a full review on it because it’s so similar to the regular steeze i feel the steeze is slightly slower but planes out better then the RMX steeze is a big water machine and falls short on lower volume creeks this boat excelled on lower volume creeks
Been trying to decide between the RMX and the Code. Would you suggest one over the other for a beginner boat?
Dam that difficult to give a good answer I want to say the RMX because it will challenge you more but really might be a lot of kayak for a newbie the code is just so predictable and takes care of you in everything but dam I love this RMX so really you need to demo both of these if you can.
@@WadeHarrison Glad I read the comments. I was about to ask this same question. I live in Idaho 45 min from the South Fork Payette put in... North Fork terrifies me. I'm more of a Banks put in for now. There is not a LL dealer located in Idaho... not sure where I could go demo a RMX... watching this vid right after your Code vids.... I'm really liking how agile the RMX looks getting into those eddies..... I don't have any bad habits yet... maybe I should just get one and learn on it.
Thanks for posting this, really fun to watch. I've got one of these on order, but am struggling with 96 or 86. I'm about 5'10 and 180 as well. But I'm also a newer paddler that does have a half slice and a playboat. What do you think about the 96 for someone your size who is more of a beginner?
You want to try the 86 I had a 96 for couple weeks paddling and I can make it work and see a place for it but as a all round daily driver I suggest the 86 ot just seems to fit perfectly at my weight
Heck yeah! I’ve been super excited to hear your take on the boat. I’ve been in the alpha 90 for a few years which I really enjoyed creating but since moving to Idaho I’ve been wanting more edge. I’ve been debating the scorch, code or gnar (haven’t demoed the gnar yet). NF Payette is my usual run, but there are plenty of overnights. What do you think about this boat for the Idaho classics? Also I’m 195, so think the 96 would be better for me since the extra space/volume would be nice for multi days out here? Thanks for always getting me stoked on a new boat!
Oh boy would love to get this on The NF the length mixed with edges and tail load boofs would be epic
Lmao what up Ryan
@@benplaster9943 just dreaming of a new boat! Lol
I heard you say this boat needs driven but does that mean it doesn't accelerate/get up to speed as easy? I got a Waka puffy steeze and love it accept you really gotta paddle to accelerate it. Is that the case for the RMX also?
Yes very similar to the puffy I was meaning you don’t want to lay back and float this design like say you would a Z3 or something you need to be aggressively paddling it to really maximize its potential
@@WadeHarrison okay, thanks! What would be your best recommendation for a boat that paddles similar to a Puffy but is a little zippier / is easier to accelerate? I was thinking Scorch? I was thinking Scorch because it isnt as wide of a boat. Trying to get an idea on what to demo.
Thanks for the review. You mention keeping a forward position in this boat. What were you feeling when you ended up in the back seat? Offline? Twitchy? Also, was the thigh indexing narrower than the medium or large Scorch? Cheers
I found the sweet spot was center to slightly back but not seat position as much as body transfer when paddling this you really want to be mindful of how your loading off drops. This is one those designs that will challenge your paddling skills. And what I noticed it would get offline to easy when back seat but when upright it put more hull in the water and seemed to correct it. And I will do a comparison to the scorch soon
Hi Wade, I sat in the RMX 86, the thigh positioning seemed much more comfortable. It was a bit lower but wider than the Alpha and much roomier than the Delta. If Liquid Logic wants the PNW to catch the fever, they would do well to put a demo at Next Adventure. Fortunately NA has a Gnarvana demo. Cheers
@@paulguinea2177 I’m pretty sure there’s a truck heading to Next adventures I seen a post awhile back about some heading that way
They have arrived and are on the floor at NA, that’s where I sat in one. Looks like they were able to stick to a sleek design but keep it roomy and comfortable. Your footage shows it get from edge to edge quick. Hoping to finding out how twitchy the initial stability is and how loose the tracking is before buying a Gnarvana.
Cheers!
Would you personally, based on your size, feel better creeking like say Horsepasture in the RMX 86 or 96? Also, were they both pretty easy to roll?
RMX 86 all the way I felt the 96 was just way to big for me and yes rolling is very easy
@@WadeHarrison cool thanks! Thats what I was thinking.
Ok I officially like the drain plug after seeing it demoed, love the bow on it too.
😂 after my walkthrough I was like yeah I need to show this plug in action
I am a big LL fan. Relatively new to Whitewater with only 1 year of class II/III in a Remix 59. So happy this new boat arrived before I went with a Code or Z3. Do you recommend this one over the Code for someone that is not an aggressive paddler (yet)?
I want to say yes the RMX will be the best bet because this boat will make you a better kayaker in the long run. And handle about everything really good.The code will take care of you better but doesn’t challenge you much you can kinda just sit back and blast through everything.
There’s times I would want the code and times I think this is better. If your only paddling low volume manky creeks go code. If want something more well rounded and fast go RMX. But really need to demo both to see what you think they really are very different.
Thx so much! Just heard from LL…a smaller boat is coming! Marcelo told me a few months…which is ok by me since I am in Pennsylvania. At 5’3 and 130lbs it may be a better fit. But will demo in the different sizes and try the code too.
@@nikkipa6113 Marcelo is awesome glad you chatted with him and yeah I was at the factory last week and that was confirmed when I was there
I’m sure they will make some sort or announcement on it I was told by a very reliable source the mold is being made and will see something soon
Do you think this 86 will be pretty big for the 140lb and below crowd? At 135-140 I definitely preferred the sizing of the 69 over the 59 with the original remix. I'm not really in the market as just picked up a new Billy Goat, but I would really like to try one at some point. I have a bit of a soft spot for Liquidlogic boats, I've had quite a few of them over the years. Love your reviews by the way, I was really looking forward to this one.
Yeah that’s down there my buddy Matt jumped in in and he 140 and it didn’t seem big at all like it was sized really well if you’re ok will paddling a slightly bigger boat you will be fine in the 86 I’m caught like right on the bottom of the 96 and feel great in the 86
I think LL’s first objective was to design a drain plug that Wade wouldn’t hate. The second was obviously rails since every other boat’s got ‘em.
Hahha if that was true it would be hilarious.
Are you doing a video for the 96? I’m 6,4 200 so might be in between in this line?
Yes will do a side by side and cover that I actually spent some time in the 96 also
Wade would you say it’s a little faster than the code I’ve love mine but a little more speed would be nice
It really fast it Smokes the code like nothing
it’s the fastest river running creeker out today i would love to do a head to head with the scorch x because I saying it now I think it’s faster then that one also
@@WadeHarrison thanks for the info and I look forward to more videos on it
@@PALSRide yeah should have stuff up soon
@@PALSRide should have more up soon
I recently bought the 96 as my go-to creekboat and agree with your review 100%. It tracked much better than a Gnarvana, Machno, and Code. I only wish it tracked as well as my Nirvana, although the Nirvana is more of a river runner having so much edge. I feel safer running big drops in the RMX.
Yes for sure I feel it’s just a well rounded kayak for everything
Very interested in this boat, would love to demo one, how does it compare to 96? I noticed you edge side aggressive, is there a reason for it, I do like a narrow bow and wide at hips. Hmm Venom RMX or Lime Phoenix
Oh dam phoenix vs RMX interesting comparison I think if your over 210 you might want to go 96 and I love the hybrid edges on this design
Your welcome to this one if your around buddy?
@@WadeHarrison Thx for the offer, Pedro, I mean Pete picked one up, I am hoping he can let me try his after he gets some runs in it, he got 86, I am thinking 96, at 200lbs with gear, like the Phoenix alot of boat at great price. LL website all RMX are out of stock!
Looks sweet I'd love to try one out! In regards to the tracking it seems like the chrecteristic of high rockered boats are that they are not generally the best tracking designs......would you agree?
Yup it’s a trade off and you can overcome that by going longer like the scorch X or rounded the hull out like the alphas I did not mind it because I’m use to planning hull boats I like using the edges I just noted that in the review so to let paddlers know this is not a hop in and just take care of you designs
@@WadeHarrison Im also a fan of some rocker but I know folks that really aren't sold on the high rockered boats. Many of them have slalom backgrounds. and prefer the speed of a less rockered boat.
@@eddyhopperluke yeah I get that this one really surprised me it’s low in the stern and has a great edge to hold in place in rapids it was really fun to paddle
High rocker definitely reduces tracking. But, the sidewalls also factor hugely. The Code, OG, Gnarvana, and RMX have flared sidewalls, letting water flow easily under the side of the boat. This allows the boat to spin off track easily but also be easily corrected and maneuvered. Conversely, the Scorch has very vertical sidewalls, not allowing water to flow under the side of the boat easily. Therefore, it tracks hard but is harder to correct (I’m told by Scorch ninjas they use the edges too steer).
Thought my days in Logic were done after learning in an original remix…..not so fast. Interested in trying one now. Nice work Wade you always make me want to demo the latest/greatest. How many boats is too many?
Yeah this one does the OG Remix justice
Love your videos. New subscriber here. _Let's Get It Boys_
thanks buddy
YESSSSSS BEEN WAITING FOR THIS!!!
Yeah I planned it last week but the holidays hit and finally finished it up yesterday thanks for watching
I had (2) Remix 69's and of the 20+ or so boats l've owned over the my 22 years of boating it's defnitely in my top 3. Add that BA outfitting works for me and since my creeker/self-support boat is a Burn 3 large
I'll get one!
Yeah the Remix is a classic and this one definitely does it justice in my opinion!
That Boat Looks Sweet...
It’s been great for everything I threw at it
Yeah buddy. Love the review. Thx.
Hey thanks we need to get a lap ASAP!
Hoping we get these shipped to Europe for the summer!
I’m sure they will get some out there..
Looks like it responds good. Interesting.
The edges definitely flow smoothly
Please try and get your hands on a Spade boat. Something like the joker. Check them out. It’s a Austrian company.
Yeah they have zero presence here in the USA no dealers no demos i would love to check those out though!
@@WadeHarrison Too bad :/ Hit me up if you’re ever coming to Europe. I can get you a demo boat!
@@berlinkayak1176 I was looking into planning something over there it’s been a bucket list thing to tour around the Europe paddling and sightseeing.
We have the Spade Kayaks in our shop Clackamas River Outfitters outside of Portland Oregon USA on the Clackamas River. We imported one of each model Bliss, Joker, Royal Flush, Black Jack, and Queen of Hearts. We'd love to get one to Wade but not sure how we can get it to him for a reasonable price. If Spade wanted to help us get one to him I'd be happy too 😊
@@eddyhopperluke oh yeah that’s awesome I had no idea there was any in the USA
Sweet design
Yeah this one came out nice
Pretty cool that you can't go wrong with any of these new creeker/river runners (Scorch, Code, Gnar, RMX). Basically, it's down to picking your style of paddling and/or deciding if one manufacturer's sizing suits you better. I'm ready for a Cross 2 now, lol.
That’s so true they really are all good in their own way it comes down more to style of paddling and what your looking for.
I think I need to demo one.
They are shipping them all over right now
Decision made - placing an order deposit on a Venom 96 ;-)
Oh wow let me know how it works out
RMX VS ALPHA?
Yeah I will post that soon. When you see them side by side they are actually very different…
Idaho boat?
Yes!