Hi there, I wonder if there is a classification for male vocal fachs like female in non-classical music. And if it does, can you tell me right in this comment or make a video about it? Thank u so much ❤
@SoulVelvet I am annoyed by @youngornitier9581 who is keeping trying to argue with me when I don't want his annoying opinions. I want that idiot to stop following me around!
This is truly a masterpiece. I'm glad you're fighting against misinformation. Funny how voice type is one of the most controversial topics in the vocal community lol.
@@giannis_tar Indeed androgynous is not masculine. Contraltos sound like gray areas between men and women, but it's a myth that they sound exactly like men do.
I think a lot of people are uncomfortable with terms like androgynous because some people use it as an insult. („Not womanly enough…“) Personally I think we should try to normalize it, because androgyny can be really cool and most people don‘t fit into strict binaries by nature.
One of the biggest mistakes people make is confusing range (people's ability to reach very high notes) and voice type. Example, Dimash can sing higher than most females on earth, does that mean he's a soprano? NO. It's all about where your voice sits comfortably and resonates in. I can sing very high tenor notes, but I am still a baritone all day every day.
Despite agreeing with some points, I heavily disagree to others. Imo trying to type voices based only in the timbre can be very disastrous. The passagio, which is very important to classify voices, is not even mentioned in the video. Imo the passagio makes a lot easier and turns the typing much more objective. as a enthusiastic about voices and vocal technique, i have to say that the video is relying in too subjective traits, making some classification very confusing 🫤. It was very frustrating when the video says that cher is a low mezzo only bc she has a 'womanly' voice, implying that in order to be a contralto the singer must have an 'androgenous' sound, which is far from truth. But still, i appreciate the very informative content
I don’t think that’s what they were implying about Cher and the contraltos (?) At least, I understood what they meant differently Based on my understanding of the video, the distinction between voice types is made based on when they start putting effort in their range. Ex: Sopranos having a more noticeable ease above A4 compared to mezzos and then contraltos having to put more effort in the F4-G4 range So they weren’t exactly implying that the only difference between those two voice types is that contraltos sound more androgynous, but just mentioned it as a sub point to their entire explanation If I also understood them correctly, whilst the range in which a vocalist starts putting effort helps wi determining the voice types, how heavy/light it sounds is used to determine the sub type, like Low/Medium/High
@bartek6846 again strongly disagree with methodology. The one I find to make more sense is fach classification Also take me for example, my passagio is around G4 - C#5, range C3 - G5, timbre is extremely heavy and Full bodied, yet there is a softness and is not androgynous at all. Would you classify me as mezzo, even though I can't hold for long on a mezzo upper range? The thing about 'effort' don't make any sense, bc trained singers know how to navigate through their range easily without effort
After watching some recording behind videos of Gidle, it's no wonder Yuqi often sounds deeper and like a mezzo in title tracks, but sounds more natural and like a soprano in their side tracks. It's because Soyeon literally tells her to SING MORE LIKE A MAN. She's utilizing Yuqi's voice for a stylistic effect. It turns out Minnie is not the only stylistic singer in Gidle. Yuqi often stylizes her voice as well. But the funny thing is when people mistaken Yuqi's stylistic deep voice as her normal singing voice, and thinking that her natural light voice in those side tracks are stylistic. Her recent solo performance 'Could it be' is further prove that she's a soprano. I am a mezzo trained for years and I struggled to reach her high notes in the chorus. Those Eb5 notes damn it. She made them sound so light and easy.
Yuqi isn’t even the densest in her group either IMO. If anything, I would say Miyeon is the densest in the group but nonetheless, all of them (in (G)-IDLE I mean) are light sopranos afaik lol.
And the long-awaited video arrives~ (you owe me Mr. Velvet~ you know I don't make public appearances anymore~) You put in a lot of effort into this one~ (If our DMs were any evidence of that lmao) and hopefully it will help people understand and figure out that there's a lot a person can do with their voice to make it sound smaller, bigger, darker, lighter, or brighter and it isn't indicative of their natural vocal weight. How "big-sounding" or "small-sounding" a voice depends often on how a vocalist sings and how much they're developed, and it's great that you showed that in your video. Someone as "soprano" as Ariana Grande is pretty much the same voice as the considered "mezzo", Beyoncé. Beyoncé just has incredibly advanced chest development. Sullyoon can sound exactly like Haewon, and Haewon can sound exactly like Lily- all light sopranos singing differently. Mina and Tzuyu of Twice can sound like Taeyeon and Jessica of SNSD, or Yujin from IVE once they've developed enough. Jihyo and Nayeon of Twice and Tiffany of SNSD can sound like the "big-voiced" Ailee, Beyoncé, Lina, and U.ji, they're just not developed as much, or heck, let's not stray far level-wise. You've shown that both the considered brightest voices in Twice can sound as "dark" and "heavy" as Christina Aguilera, and they don't need to go far from their own group either, I've seen some people claim with confidence that Jeongyeon is a heavier soprano here, and I can tell you she's still pretty much the same voice spectrum as Nayeon and Jihyo. Chaewon and Sana, light sopranos, can make their voices sound very childlike and bright, and have relative ease in the upper midbelts, similar and close to the high sopranos, but they're still just light sopranos. Eunji, a non-light soprano, can sound like one when she modifies her timbre enough, as seen in All For You. Point being, there's a lot more nuance to voice typing than "oh but *insert groupmate who obviously sings bolder and darker* sounds heavier than *insert groupmate who obviously sings lighter and brighter*" and people who comment on such should keep that in mind, because more often than not~ you'll always have to take a second, third, maybe even more than 10-20 listens before being totally sure of someone's voice type considering all these nuances. You did well Soul Velvet showing that here, and you did well educating people over the last year, but you can take a break now~ I know you need one, so join me in the retirement home 🤭🤭🤫🤫 lmao.
I always thought Beyonce was a mezzo but yeah she never sounded dark or weighty, she always sounded quite bright. She just has an extremely well-developed lower register, that's why people think she's a mezzo. Always thought that Cher was a contralto but it makes sense she's a low mezzo, in comparison to the actual contraltos she did sound like a higher voice especially when you did the F4 and F#4 comparison.
She is a mezzo soprano. This video was coming alright at first by differentiating weight (tract) and type( vocal fold thickness) but got them confused as well. The important marker of voice type is tessitura, where the voice feels most comfortable, and you can tell than irregardless of age, Beyoncé always felt comfortable at that A4 - Eb5 region. That’s the literal sweet spot of the mezzo. In fact their money note is often In that area, where as Sopranos, irregardless of voice weight are more comfortable higher in that E5-G5 region, in fact most of them would often go for an F5/G5 as their money note/opening note. On the heaviest side(think Jhud, aretha Franklin) and the lightest side (Sohyang, Ariana grande), and maybe Patti labelle somewhere in the middle in terms of weight. All these singer like showing off their F5s(more jhud and aretha), and G5/G#5(sohyang and Ariana). Sohyang is the perfect example of a soprano because her songs live in the 5th octave and not just 5th but (mostly above D5) which tells you where her voice is comfortable and can go for hours in that region, Beyoncé cannot do that, as much as F5 is within her accebke middle voice, she can’t stay there. She can’t maintain melodic lines for long. Think of it like this, if she had to project in a large hall, for 7 night back to back, do you think her voice would be able to sustain that?
Thanks for this video! I know I shouldn't as a beginer, but I was trying to figure if I was a contralto as I can sing low (E3-A4, goes in falsetto to D5), or if I was just a mezzo who wasn't trained to sing high yet (as I haven't began to develop the high register yet). This video convinced me I was probably a mezzo : I sound way too light in the high notes, like some of the high mezzos you showed, even if my low notes are way much heavier (I still remember this day someone called me "sir" on the phone lol). Sounds like I have two different voices between the low and the high register, but I guess I would not sound as light if I were a contralto. Thanks!
OMG babe, I thought Ali is soprano imo. Her A4, B4 is smaller than Ock, Ailee, Morissette,... and sound bright on some C#5. Pretty much all of her songs are Soprano-ish in term of range
I guess what makes ppl think Bey is a mezzo is not bcs of her vocal weight, bcs honestly she never sounded really dark nor weighty lol, if anything its her lows, but then not enough to say shes a mezzo, or it could be her twangy esque on B4-C5, but then its still light soprano sounding
@@Anabelledoll35Beyoncé is definitely a light soprano. Compare her belts with a mezzo like Jojo (a lighter mezzo). th-cam.com/video/SXgccUThJt8/w-d-xo.html at 4:30 Jojo's C♯5 sounds more dense and "high" + more effort there but Beyoncé sounds relatively lighter and easy, that's definitely light soprano to me. As for Taeyeon , she's a light soprano. Nothing about her voice sounds low , even Solji a medium soprano sounds more bigger and darker despite the difference in development.
Wow!! I always thought I was a mezzo, but it was hard for me to sing lower tones (below F3) and higher than D/E5 as well also. When I tried to sing with the video, I'm actually a light soprano! ❤
Beyonce, and Cristina Aguilera have been label as mezzo soprano, and a lot of vocal fanatics have label Celine Dion as a low set of soprano, Cher was labeled as contralto and now i am confused a little bit
Cher *is* a contralto. The problem is the perpetuation of the myth that contraltos don't have subtypes, which is absolute bogus and just results in people labelling non-dramatic contraltos as mezzos. This video is just another instance of this crap being carried on. I don't buy for a second OP knows what they're talking about. The moment they labelled Cher as a mezzo I knew it was crap. As a contralto myself, I'm so tired of feeling like we're being erased and misunderstood. I don't sound anything like the contraltos in this video, but that doesn't mean I'm not a contralto. My voice is just lighter and higher than the dramatics- even Cher has a deeper, heavier voice than I do. Lyric and coloratura contraltos exist, yet we're constantly ignored by videos like this.
@@youlleatamuffinandlikeit4596 exactly my thoughts. Tbh how this girl says Beyonce is a soprano and Cher a mezzo is mind blowing. I recently just started playing with idea of being a coloratura contralto as I always thought I was a coloratura mezzo, but my tessitura is just so low as the third and fourth octave are my happy place, even though I have reached up to a D7 and as low as an F2. My extremes are not very well sustained, but I still think none of that makes me not a contralto or makes me a soprano lol
@@youlleatamuffinandlikeit4596 If your voice is higher and lighter than the contraltos in the video and Cher then in what way are you not a mezzo? Do you even realise that Cher sings way higher than Nina Simone? Also, Cher's dark vocal tone is completely artificial through tongue root pressure. I hope you don't seriously believe that's what she sounds like normally
@@youlleatamuffinandlikeit4596really? I know I shouldn't try to figure what my voice is as a beginer, but still I can't help wondering if I'm a mezzo who can sing low or a contralto. What I saw on timbre in this video made me thought I was probably high mezzo but now I am questionning again. It doesn't help I guess that my low voice and my high voice sounds completely different, after F4/G4 my voice becomes lighter and brighter, but I am much heavier before this, begin to sound like a man around F3/G3 I think. Now you have me wondering again. I should probably stop wondering and just train lol. I guess I just want an idea of how high I will be able to belt easily when I'll be trained.
Hello! Yes, I more or less agree with you here! Good video! Thank you! But in the end it is not really the voice type that counts! It is about how much the singer and the audience appreciate the voice! The mastery of the 4 vocal modes: Overdrive, Edge, Curbing and Neutral, vocal technique, breathing technique, breath support, enunciation, the ability to paint a picture with your voice("Impressionistic voice", as if you were watching a movie), a voice full of expression that can inspire people! And, yes, the physical appearance is also important for singers! Charisma etc... My favorite female Japanese singer is Kanazawa Akiko! I have listened to a lot of recordings where she is the main singer! Imho, everything she has sung is worth listening to! But, there are a lot of other good singers! Have a wonderful day!
Yeah I do find it to be a "gray area" whether or not we should be using "lyric" or "dramatic" to describe pop voices because there is a part of me that thinks that they'd be too broad of categories. Some lyric voices sing with so much vocal distortion (the "belt" style) that they can be confused with dramatics. Some dramatic voices can choose to sing super light, bright, and airy on purpose for style and they may be confused with more lyrical voices. That's why it's extremely hard to tell which EXACT voice type someone is within the fact system. Even using slightly broader and less complicated terms such as "baritone" or "soprano" those can also be very vague terms sometimes when applied to contemporary singers.
(I'm bored so this is gonna be lengthy 😂) I think I'm a good example of this, based my years of analysing my voice and comparing it to other male singers, I'm a very high Baritone (I forgot what the term would be in classical) and I sound very Tenorish, especially bcuz I like to lighten my voice more than my natural weight and tone, at times (for ease and style). However, when you hesr me belt and mix with a more normal technique, I still sound Tenorish, but everything sounds higher in my voice when compared side-by-side to a true Tenor. Bcuz of my high Tessitura and obsession with belting when I started out learning to sing, my lows have been and are noticably weaker than most Baritones since I almost never use them below a C3. A side-by-side comparison with a Tenor would let you know that I have more natural ease, but am just very underdevloped. (Recently I began training my lows tho bcuz I dont like how uncomfortable they feel to use) All of this together just makes ppl think I'm a Tenor, but I've tried singing intermidiate songs in both a Tenor key and a Baritone key. In a Tenor key, it sounds and feels like Im just going too high and out of my range all the time, but in a Baritone key, everything sounds and feels more natural. Currently, my range is G#2/A2 - A4 - A5/Bb5. Low note issues begin for me at C3 and I dont rlly feel good singing below Bb2. B3/C4 feels like the beginning of my belts and Issues begin when I get to E4 but I can keep a descent vibrato up to F4, sometimes F#4. G4 is very doable as long as there's no vibrato and G#4 is difficult to sustain. My A4s are more concistent now but the tone sounds a lot more strained and undeveloped compared to the notes below it. I have reached that Bb4 to C#5 range before but Bb4 and B4 I can only reach in certain songs, while doing very very specific techniques (Theres not flexibility). If I try to hold them for more than half a second, u hear how overly strained they are. Its been over a year or so since Ive sung above B4, and those times where just one-offs where I did some over pushed, and strained techniques. Just pure tension, not real singing. In Head voice, issues begin and C5 and I only feel comfortable up to D5. Above that, I can still do a fairly ok vibrato, as well as some scream-like techniques (Exo's Chen can do this, but he actually sounds like he's trained with it, lmao) that mimic Sopranos, but they're not comfortable and I prefer not to sing in that range for actual vocal performances since the strain and tensiom is very apparent for listeners and it just feels like showing of range, instead of being tasteful.
@@mingisfixon6452 As respectful as I'd like to be, if you can't even croon comfortably below Bb2, then unless you have extremely awful breath support it means you're a tenor.
I agree. They both have that western sound that makes their voices sound very different from your typical K-pop vocalist. Ailee has been called Korean Beyoncé. And just listening to Tiffany sing in SNSD, you can tell her vocal timbre is very different from the other members.
@@jinji4609 Nathalie Stutzmann and Kathleen Ferrier are totally contralto's contralto's contralto and they have creamy lyric voice. Cher had the most androgynous tones and textures in industry eben when she was 19 years old. Sonny had higher tessitura and lighter tone than Cher.
@@davidmuller9938 Cher is a dramatic mezzo and not lyric. Her voice is inherently sound very dark but in the other hand she sound effortless on B4 - C#5 even than many Soprano
@@jinji4609 Listen to her duet with Tina Turner and you can hear the difference who is a dramatic mezzo and who is the contralto for sure. Cher also admitted in an interview that she could not sing that high like Tina Turner so she did the lowest part where her voice lies naturally.
@@jinji4609 But you are right on Cher's belting range which is much better than a regular contralto. There are many opera singers who could sing other ranges because of the anatomy of their vocal chords (long, thickness etc.). Callas easily could do contralto and low mezzo arias and parts (a whole Carmen which is a low mezzo range) effortlessly and dark but it did not make her a mezzo or contralto. Marian Anderson, contralto also could do high mezzo range and even some soprano arias. Leontyne Price could also do Carmen with her smoky low register but she is still a first Soprano. It is just a part where she has more talent than her fach members. Cher could do an F6 on pure head voice and still doesn't make her a coloratura soprano.
Gaga I think she pushed a bit bc another B4 from that song (Million reasons) sound brighter. Both of them used lowered larynx coordination result in stronger belt too. Shin Yona doesn't have many Bb4 & B4 sound that strong
it's not just technique. gaga and yona are singing a note that is actually higher for them than it is for jennifer. that's literally the difference between low soprano and high mezzo
Think they're saying that even if it's literally the same note, the mezzos have to reach up to sing it while the soprano is right in the middle of a comfortable range. So technique WILL be a bit different because it sits in a slightly different register for the different voices.
Havent you had enough education from kaji videos calling a bunch of clear tenors as “baritones”? nothing smarter than listening to a guy claiming to be a male soprano only 2 years ago to claiming to be a male mezzo today on the topic of male voice types /sarcasm
@@youngornitier I'll leave you alone and you leave me alone. I am not interested in debating with you anymore because there is no point. I will also stop posting videos pretending to be you if you stop responding to me. Have a nice day! :)
@@bradycall1889 yeah because i'm totally the one bothering you when you're the one who comments on everything you find me on here on youtube, constantly brought me up by name on kaji's channel and made 2 cringy accounts posing to be me right?
@@youngornitier Well, ryansinging, I used to comment on basically everything you said but I stopped months ago. It was after you asked me to stop following you on one of the Michael Spyres videos I think. I will admit, though, I was the one who started following you around first, okay? Sorry if it creeped you out for a while. You may be, no offense, a rather strange dude who confuses me sometimes and I don't always understand you all the time, but I will still respect your privacy. Just stop responding to me and I'll stop responding to you and that is final. Okay?
@@SoulVelvetHey can I ask you a question: Do you know the singer Tamia. Would you say she's a high soprano (light lyric?). Also how would you rate her technique. I think she's amazing.
It's about similar to women/females (and the definitions do fairly apply to these subtypes except make them about men) except it's tenors, baritones, and basses for males. Tenors: -High tenors (eg Ryeowook (SuJu), Mitch (Pentatonix), maybe Haechan (NCT)) -Light tenors (basically the majority of KPOP male idols and male Western pop singers) -Medium tenors (eg Park Hyoshin, V (BTS)) -Low tenors (eg Hwanhee (Fly to the Sky), Sam Smith maybe) Baritones: -High baritones (eg Scott Hoying (Pentatonix), John Legend) -Low baritones (eg Avi Kaplan (Pentatonix) maybe) Bass (I actually don't know any good examples from the top of my head)
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Also to add, a misconception is that the most common voice type for men is baritone when it’s really not (it’s tenor actually). Just like how many sopranos conceive themselves as “altos” (when alto by itself is just a choral role based on range and not necessarily true voice type and contralto is most rare), many of these men who consider themselves as “baritones” haven’t really explored the true potential of the upper part of their range yet a la they’re untrained or lazy tenors lol.
@@KittyTsundere i think v bts belongs to light tenor because of how thin he sounds without his weird vowel shaping, if u watch his old clips when he has yet develop that issue his voice was super thin
Yes. Listen to her "Let It Go" cover and you will notice she sounds so much like Hyolyn. What is funny is that both Hyolyn and DIA are in the same vocal tier of being P-G. Also, listen to her solo work, and you'll really hear she sounds so much like Hyolyn.
To me Nina Simone didn’t sound like a man throughout her range though. You could tell you were listening to a woman when you heard her sing certain songs. It’s only her very low notes that sound androgynous. As a matter of fact none of the contralto samples you played here sounds like men. They sound like low voiced women.
I agree they sound like very old age ladies but the point is the weight and tessitura of them can match with some medium weight tenor. Some Tenors can sound inherent brighter than Contraltos too. Funny that some fan consider Alicia Keys (damaged & undeveloped Soprano) is a Contralto and they call Nina "Dramatic Contralto" while all Contralto should be "dramatic" by default.
@@jinji4609 I do agree with that assessment in classical music. However, I find in non-classical music a lot of the so called contraltos have voices that are damaged from smoking, drinking and age. So many of these woman learned to sing in their speaking ranges because they lost most of their top register due to their huskier sound.
Why do you think Ali is a mezzo-soprano? She sang soprano pitch in Speechless like this with bright/thin weight timbre th-cam.com/video/EFo9sW18Nd4/w-d-xo.htmlsi=2bJ1vjVuLNd8-Noa Can you provide the example of her mezzo quality in mid range? She sound smaller than others mezzo in A4/Bb4 to me
Subtypes such lyric or dramatic can most definitely be used outside of classically trained singers. It may have originated there but it refers to qualities of the voice that can be heard in any well developed voice.😂 lets not spread misinformation
@@johnlloydquitain8116I'm aware she can sound cute when she wants but we literally have her shared belt with Tae in Gee ot8 as more of an already proof of her not being a high soprano 😅 she already sounds "darker" than Jessica there lmao And Jessica was still known as a better belter at that time
@@Oliver-uz1fsI agree, seohyun can sound cute when she uses that thin, bright approach with a very raised larynx and nasality but it’s artificial. And even then she still sounded less small than NingNing and Ben. When Seohyun belted on mask singer and the musical she sounded like a normal soprano.
@dominicwileman she was a soprano trying to unsoprano herself, she has more access to lows now and she struggles above G#4 so shes technically a mezzo now
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Hi there, I wonder if there is a classification for male vocal fachs like female in non-classical music. And if it does, can you tell me right in this comment or make a video about it? Thank u so much ❤
@SoulVelvet I am annoyed by @youngornitier9581 who is keeping trying to argue with me when I don't want his annoying opinions. I want that idiot to stop following me around!
This is truly a masterpiece. I'm glad you're fighting against misinformation. Funny how voice type is one of the most controversial topics in the vocal community lol.
I can see why contraltos might sound androgynous to some, but personally to me Nina and Carmen still sound quite womanly
I agree. There are some high tenors who sound kinda like them, but most men don't sound anywhere near that feminine
Yeah. Androgynous sound isn't necessary they too darken their voices to get that almost tenor-like quality.
Nina hagen can sound like baritone
@@giannis_tar Indeed androgynous is not masculine. Contraltos sound like gray areas between men and women, but it's a myth that they sound exactly like men do.
I think a lot of people are uncomfortable with terms like androgynous because some people use it as an insult. („Not womanly enough…“)
Personally I think we should try to normalize it, because androgyny can be really cool and most people don‘t fit into strict binaries by nature.
One of the biggest mistakes people make is confusing range (people's ability to reach very high notes) and voice type. Example, Dimash can sing higher than most females on earth, does that mean he's a soprano? NO. It's all about where your voice sits comfortably and resonates in. I can sing very high tenor notes, but I am still a baritone all day every day.
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Despite agreeing with some points, I heavily disagree to others. Imo trying to type voices based only in the timbre can be very disastrous. The passagio, which is very important to classify voices, is not even mentioned in the video. Imo the passagio makes a lot easier and turns the typing much more objective.
as a enthusiastic about voices and vocal technique, i have to say that the video is relying in too subjective traits, making some classification very confusing 🫤.
It was very frustrating when the video says that cher is a low mezzo only bc she has a 'womanly' voice, implying that in order to be a contralto the singer must have an 'androgenous' sound, which is far from truth.
But still, i appreciate the very informative content
I don’t think that’s what they were implying about Cher and the contraltos (?) At least, I understood what they meant differently
Based on my understanding of the video, the distinction between voice types is made based on when they start putting effort in their range. Ex: Sopranos having a more noticeable ease above A4 compared to mezzos and then contraltos having to put more effort in the F4-G4 range
So they weren’t exactly implying that the only difference between those two voice types is that contraltos sound more androgynous, but just mentioned it as a sub point to their entire explanation
If I also understood them correctly, whilst the range in which a vocalist starts putting effort helps wi determining the voice types, how heavy/light it sounds is used to determine the sub type, like Low/Medium/High
@bartek6846 again strongly disagree with methodology. The one I find to make more sense is fach classification
Also take me for example, my passagio is around G4 - C#5, range C3 - G5, timbre is extremely heavy and Full bodied, yet there is a softness and is not androgynous at all. Would you classify me as mezzo, even though I can't hold for long on a mezzo upper range?
The thing about 'effort' don't make any sense, bc trained singers know how to navigate through their range easily without effort
After watching some recording behind videos of Gidle, it's no wonder Yuqi often sounds deeper and like a mezzo in title tracks, but sounds more natural and like a soprano in their side tracks. It's because Soyeon literally tells her to SING MORE LIKE A MAN. She's utilizing Yuqi's voice for a stylistic effect. It turns out Minnie is not the only stylistic singer in Gidle. Yuqi often stylizes her voice as well.
But the funny thing is when people mistaken Yuqi's stylistic deep voice as her normal singing voice, and thinking that her natural light voice in those side tracks are stylistic.
Her recent solo performance 'Could it be' is further prove that she's a soprano. I am a mezzo trained for years and I struggled to reach her high notes in the chorus. Those Eb5 notes damn it. She made them sound so light and easy.
Yuqi isn’t even the densest in her group either IMO. If anything, I would say Miyeon is the densest in the group but nonetheless, all of them (in (G)-IDLE I mean) are light sopranos afaik lol.
The lower sopranos give me chills because of their vocal weight and their ability to hit extreme high notes.
Informative video than Aint no other fan, im glad I found an another factual vocal channel.
And the long-awaited video arrives~ (you owe me Mr. Velvet~ you know I don't make public appearances anymore~)
You put in a lot of effort into this one~ (If our DMs were any evidence of that lmao) and hopefully it will help people understand and figure out that there's a lot a person can do with their voice to make it sound smaller, bigger, darker, lighter, or brighter and it isn't indicative of their natural vocal weight.
How "big-sounding" or "small-sounding" a voice depends often on how a vocalist sings and how much they're developed, and it's great that you showed that in your video.
Someone as "soprano" as Ariana Grande is pretty much the same voice as the considered "mezzo", Beyoncé. Beyoncé just has incredibly advanced chest development.
Sullyoon can sound exactly like Haewon, and Haewon can sound exactly like Lily- all light sopranos singing differently.
Mina and Tzuyu of Twice can sound like Taeyeon and Jessica of SNSD, or Yujin from IVE once they've developed enough.
Jihyo and Nayeon of Twice and Tiffany of SNSD can sound like the "big-voiced" Ailee, Beyoncé, Lina, and U.ji, they're just not developed as much, or heck, let's not stray far level-wise. You've shown that both the considered brightest voices in Twice can sound as "dark" and "heavy" as Christina Aguilera, and they don't need to go far from their own group either, I've seen some people claim with confidence that Jeongyeon is a heavier soprano here, and I can tell you she's still pretty much the same voice spectrum as Nayeon and Jihyo.
Chaewon and Sana, light sopranos, can make their voices sound very childlike and bright, and have relative ease in the upper midbelts, similar and close to the high sopranos, but they're still just light sopranos.
Eunji, a non-light soprano, can sound like one when she modifies her timbre enough, as seen in All For You.
Point being, there's a lot more nuance to voice typing than "oh but *insert groupmate who obviously sings bolder and darker* sounds heavier than *insert groupmate who obviously sings lighter and brighter*" and people who comment on such should keep that in mind, because more often than not~ you'll always have to take a second, third, maybe even more than 10-20 listens before being totally sure of someone's voice type considering all these nuances.
You did well Soul Velvet showing that here, and you did well educating people over the last year, but you can take a break now~ I know you need one, so join me in the retirement home 🤭🤭🤫🤫 lmao.
None of the contraltos here sound like men. They very clearly sound like women with beautiful deep voices
Welcome back bro ❤
I love this content.
It will help a lot of people to distinguish voice types
I always thought Beyonce was a mezzo but yeah she never sounded dark or weighty, she always sounded quite bright. She just has an extremely well-developed lower register, that's why people think she's a mezzo. Always thought that Cher was a contralto but it makes sense she's a low mezzo, in comparison to the actual contraltos she did sound like a higher voice especially when you did the F4 and F#4 comparison.
She is a mezzo soprano. This video was coming alright at first by differentiating weight (tract) and type( vocal fold thickness) but got them confused as well. The important marker of voice type is tessitura, where the voice feels most comfortable, and you can tell than irregardless of age, Beyoncé always felt comfortable at that A4 - Eb5 region. That’s the literal sweet spot of the mezzo. In fact their money note is often In that area, where as Sopranos, irregardless of voice weight are more comfortable higher in that E5-G5 region, in fact most of them would often go for an F5/G5 as their money note/opening note. On the heaviest side(think Jhud, aretha Franklin) and the lightest side (Sohyang, Ariana grande), and maybe Patti labelle somewhere in the middle in terms of weight. All these singer like showing off their F5s(more jhud and aretha), and G5/G#5(sohyang and Ariana).
Sohyang is the perfect example of a soprano because her songs live in the 5th octave and not just 5th but (mostly above D5) which tells you where her voice is comfortable and can go for hours in that region, Beyoncé cannot do that, as much as F5 is within her accebke middle voice, she can’t stay there. She can’t maintain melodic lines for long. Think of it like this, if she had to project in a large hall, for 7 night back to back, do you think her voice would be able to sustain that?
High Sopranos really sound cute ngl, even the belters like Bada and Hyolyn.
A very well done video! Thanks for enlightening me. It's definitely easier for me to determine voice types now
Thanks for this video!
I know I shouldn't as a beginer, but I was trying to figure if I was a contralto as I can sing low (E3-A4, goes in falsetto to D5), or if I was just a mezzo who wasn't trained to sing high yet (as I haven't began to develop the high register yet). This video convinced me I was probably a mezzo : I sound way too light in the high notes, like some of the high mezzos you showed, even if my low notes are way much heavier (I still remember this day someone called me "sir" on the phone lol). Sounds like I have two different voices between the low and the high register, but I guess I would not sound as light if I were a contralto.
Thanks!
OMG babe, I thought Ali is soprano imo. Her A4, B4 is smaller than Ock, Ailee, Morissette,... and sound bright on some C#5. Pretty much all of her songs are Soprano-ish in term of range
It's great to see you making more videos. Hope you are doing well.
I guess what makes ppl think Bey is a mezzo is not bcs of her vocal weight, bcs honestly she never sounded really dark nor weighty lol, if anything its her lows, but then not enough to say shes a mezzo, or it could be her twangy esque on B4-C5, but then its still light soprano sounding
It never made sense, I think it was just started by a random stan and people believed it.
Beyoncé is a mezzo, even low sopranos like Taeyeon sound higher
@@Anabelledoll35Beyoncé is definitely a light soprano. Compare her belts with a mezzo like Jojo (a lighter mezzo).
th-cam.com/video/SXgccUThJt8/w-d-xo.html at 4:30 Jojo's C♯5 sounds more dense and "high" + more effort there but Beyoncé sounds relatively lighter and easy, that's definitely light soprano to me.
As for Taeyeon , she's a light soprano. Nothing about her voice sounds low , even Solji a medium soprano sounds more bigger and darker despite the difference in development.
@@YEOUN_channelBeyoncé's C#5 in her early day is even smaller than Taeyeon, Celine,... lol
@@jinji4609
Yeah that is why calling her a mezzo sounds strange lol.
Souls you always slayy
Wow!! I always thought I was a mezzo, but it was hard for me to sing lower tones (below F3) and higher than D/E5 as well also. When I tried to sing with the video, I'm actually a light soprano! ❤
U did a good job, but I think Lina and Yeonji have similar natural depth in their voice
This is good you actually got the ranges correct
This video is amazing! I'm so happy you're back
sohyang contralto queen
She's a low bass.
@@cringelmao LOL
Beyonce, and Cristina Aguilera have been label as mezzo soprano, and a lot of vocal fanatics have label Celine Dion as a low set of soprano, Cher was labeled as contralto and now i am confused a little bit
it's just people mistyping their voices
Cher *is* a contralto. The problem is the perpetuation of the myth that contraltos don't have subtypes, which is absolute bogus and just results in people labelling non-dramatic contraltos as mezzos. This video is just another instance of this crap being carried on. I don't buy for a second OP knows what they're talking about. The moment they labelled Cher as a mezzo I knew it was crap.
As a contralto myself, I'm so tired of feeling like we're being erased and misunderstood. I don't sound anything like the contraltos in this video, but that doesn't mean I'm not a contralto. My voice is just lighter and higher than the dramatics- even Cher has a deeper, heavier voice than I do. Lyric and coloratura contraltos exist, yet we're constantly ignored by videos like this.
@@youlleatamuffinandlikeit4596 exactly my thoughts. Tbh how this girl says Beyonce is a soprano and Cher a mezzo is mind blowing. I recently just started playing with idea of being a coloratura contralto as I always thought I was a coloratura mezzo, but my tessitura is just so low as the third and fourth octave are my happy place, even though I have reached up to a D7 and as low as an F2. My extremes are not very well sustained, but I still think none of that makes me not a contralto or makes me a soprano lol
@@youlleatamuffinandlikeit4596 If your voice is higher and lighter than the contraltos in the video and Cher then in what way are you not a mezzo? Do you even realise that Cher sings way higher than Nina Simone? Also, Cher's dark vocal tone is completely artificial through tongue root pressure. I hope you don't seriously believe that's what she sounds like normally
@@youlleatamuffinandlikeit4596really? I know I shouldn't try to figure what my voice is as a beginer, but still I can't help wondering if I'm a mezzo who can sing low or a contralto. What I saw on timbre in this video made me thought I was probably high mezzo but now I am questionning again. It doesn't help I guess that my low voice and my high voice sounds completely different, after F4/G4 my voice becomes lighter and brighter, but I am much heavier before this, begin to sound like a man around F3/G3 I think.
Now you have me wondering again.
I should probably stop wondering and just train lol. I guess I just want an idea of how high I will be able to belt easily when I'll be trained.
I really miss your vocal analysis video for Wheein 😢😂😂
Who says it’s not coming back 😅
Subbed. I completely agree with this video
12:47 I have heard rumors of her being a soprano, but I am absolutely not convinced of that at all.
Hello!
Yes, I more or less agree with you here! Good video! Thank you!
But in the end it is not really the voice type that counts! It is about how much the singer and the audience appreciate the voice! The mastery of the 4 vocal modes: Overdrive, Edge, Curbing and Neutral, vocal technique, breathing technique, breath support, enunciation, the ability to paint a picture with your voice("Impressionistic voice", as if you were watching a movie), a voice full of expression that can inspire people! And, yes, the physical appearance is also important for singers! Charisma etc...
My favorite female Japanese singer is Kanazawa Akiko!
I have listened to a lot of recordings where she is the main singer! Imho, everything she has sung is worth listening to!
But, there are a lot of other good singers!
Have a wonderful day!
Now im so confused. I thought I'm mezzo because I'm most comfortable in the low ranges but my voice sounds baby like and high
For some it takes time.
metalicness is technique based, any singer can sound metallic if they can sing in edge
I love your video. Very knowledgeable.
Notes I can belt with ease:E4-A4 normal mezzo
Yes, beyonce is a soprano! Correct!
Yeah I do find it to be a "gray area" whether or not we should be using "lyric" or "dramatic" to describe pop voices because there is a part of me that thinks that they'd be too broad of categories. Some lyric voices sing with so much vocal distortion (the "belt" style) that they can be confused with dramatics. Some dramatic voices can choose to sing super light, bright, and airy on purpose for style and they may be confused with more lyrical voices. That's why it's extremely hard to tell which EXACT voice type someone is within the fact system. Even using slightly broader and less complicated terms such as "baritone" or "soprano" those can also be very vague terms sometimes when applied to contemporary singers.
(I'm bored so this is gonna be lengthy 😂)
I think I'm a good example of this, based my years of analysing my voice and comparing it to other male singers, I'm a very high Baritone (I forgot what the term would be in classical) and I sound very Tenorish, especially bcuz I like to lighten my voice more than my natural weight and tone, at times (for ease and style). However, when you hesr me belt and mix with a more normal technique, I still sound Tenorish, but everything sounds higher in my voice when compared side-by-side to a true Tenor.
Bcuz of my high Tessitura and obsession with belting when I started out learning to sing, my lows have been and are noticably weaker than most Baritones since I almost never use them below a C3. A side-by-side comparison with a Tenor would let you know that I have more natural ease, but am just very underdevloped. (Recently I began training my lows tho bcuz I dont like how uncomfortable they feel to use)
All of this together just makes ppl think I'm a Tenor, but I've tried singing intermidiate songs in both a Tenor key and a Baritone key. In a Tenor key, it sounds and feels like Im just going too high and out of my range all the time, but in a Baritone key, everything sounds and feels more natural.
Currently, my range is G#2/A2 - A4 - A5/Bb5. Low note issues begin for me at C3 and I dont rlly feel good singing below Bb2. B3/C4 feels like the beginning of my belts and Issues begin when I get to E4 but I can keep a descent vibrato up to F4, sometimes F#4. G4 is very doable as long as there's no vibrato and G#4 is difficult to sustain. My A4s are more concistent now but the tone sounds a lot more strained and undeveloped compared to the notes below it. I have reached that Bb4 to C#5 range before but Bb4 and B4 I can only reach in certain songs, while doing very very specific techniques (Theres not flexibility). If I try to hold them for more than half a second, u hear how overly strained they are. Its been over a year or so since Ive sung above B4, and those times where just one-offs where I did some over pushed, and strained techniques. Just pure tension, not real singing.
In Head voice, issues begin and C5 and I only feel comfortable up to D5. Above that, I can still do a fairly ok vibrato, as well as some scream-like techniques (Exo's Chen can do this, but he actually sounds like he's trained with it, lmao) that mimic Sopranos, but they're not comfortable and I prefer not to sing in that range for actual vocal performances since the strain and tensiom is very apparent for listeners and it just feels like showing of range, instead of being tasteful.
@@mingisfixon6452 Thanks for the insight!
@@mingisfixon6452 As respectful as I'd like to be, if you can't even croon comfortably below Bb2, then unless you have extremely awful breath support it means you're a tenor.
Januari christy from Indonesia was contralto
Celine is deffo high soprano, she can bring her chest voice up to G#5 even in her 50s and she have some mixed C6/C#6 too while being on her 50s
She is even a mezzo
Nah just a reg, medium-high soprano
@@ThankGodEmirez56 Wut? lol
14:05 SHE ATE THAT DOWNNNN
Welcome back
Make a same video but about males plssss😢
Cher mezzo? Beyoncé soprano?
Talented people
I just realized ailee and tiffany sounds similar
I agree. They both have that western sound that makes their voices sound very different from your typical K-pop vocalist. Ailee has been called Korean Beyoncé. And just listening to Tiffany sing in SNSD, you can tell her vocal timbre is very different from the other members.
Cher has always been a contralto, nothing mezzo in her voice. She is a lyric contralto but definitely a contralto.
Lyric Contralto is a myth. All Contralto are natural dense & "dramatic" voice
@@jinji4609 Nathalie Stutzmann and Kathleen Ferrier are totally contralto's contralto's contralto and they have creamy lyric voice. Cher had the most androgynous tones and textures in industry eben when she was 19 years old. Sonny had higher tessitura and lighter tone than Cher.
@@davidmuller9938 Cher is a dramatic mezzo and not lyric. Her voice is inherently sound very dark but in the other hand she sound effortless on B4 - C#5 even than many Soprano
@@jinji4609 Listen to her duet with Tina Turner and you can hear the difference who is a dramatic mezzo and who is the contralto for sure. Cher also admitted in an interview that she could not sing that high like Tina Turner so she did the lowest part where her voice lies naturally.
@@jinji4609 But you are right on Cher's belting range which is much better than a regular contralto.
There are many opera singers who could sing other ranges because of the anatomy of their vocal chords (long, thickness etc.). Callas easily could do contralto and low mezzo arias and parts (a whole Carmen which is a low mezzo range) effortlessly and dark but it did not make her a mezzo or contralto. Marian Anderson, contralto also could do high mezzo range and even some soprano arias. Leontyne Price could also do Carmen with her smoky low register but she is still a first Soprano. It is just a part where she has more talent than her fach members. Cher could do an F6 on pure head voice and still doesn't make her a coloratura soprano.
7:16 pure perfection!
About the low sop vs high mezzo its just in the matter of technique jhud just sounds more free gaga and yona has a bit of pushing presented
Gaga I think she pushed a bit bc another B4 from that song (Million reasons) sound brighter. Both of them used lowered larynx coordination result in stronger belt too. Shin Yona doesn't have many Bb4 & B4 sound that strong
@@jinji4609 yes I mean it's just in the matter or technique
it's not just technique. gaga and yona are singing a note that is actually higher for them than it is for jennifer. that's literally the difference between low soprano and high mezzo
@@ishathakorelaborate, higher for them
Think they're saying that even if it's literally the same note, the mezzos have to reach up to sing it while the soprano is right in the middle of a comfortable range. So technique WILL be a bit different because it sits in a slightly different register for the different voices.
Odd that Sarah Brightman is seldom or very rarely mentioned in your videos despite her having one of the best voices ever
I wonder will you ever do a vide on male voices?
Havent you had enough education from kaji videos calling a bunch of clear tenors as “baritones”? nothing smarter than listening to a guy claiming to be a male soprano only 2 years ago to claiming to be a male mezzo today on the topic of male voice types /sarcasm
@@youngornitier I'll leave you alone and you leave me alone. I am not interested in debating with you anymore because there is no point. I will also stop posting videos pretending to be you if you stop responding to me. Have a nice day! :)
@@youngornitier I'll also stop following you around everywhere. Truce?
@@bradycall1889 yeah because i'm totally the one bothering you when you're the one who comments on everything you find me on here on youtube, constantly brought me up by name on kaji's channel and made 2 cringy accounts posing to be me right?
@@youngornitier Well, ryansinging, I used to comment on basically everything you said but I stopped months ago. It was after you asked me to stop following you on one of the Michael Spyres videos I think. I will admit, though, I was the one who started following you around first, okay? Sorry if it creeped you out for a while. You may be, no offense, a rather strange dude who confuses me sometimes and I don't always understand you all the time, but I will still respect your privacy. Just stop responding to me and I'll stop responding to you and that is final. Okay?
Bada probably a sopranino
Slay it, Souls!
I'm somewhere between low and high mezzo
where's our mezzo queen miss jisoo
Wdym? Jisoo is an aLtO. /j >:3
I think she’s just an underdeveloped soprano
@@queenning28 yeah i know. it was a joke lol
@@KittyTsundere wdym there is no alto in the video. so she is her own vocal type? 🤩
@@himi_Jisoo is so unique that there was a type created just for her. 😍
HUH BABES??? WHAT HAPPENED TO YOUR OTHER VIDS?
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@@SoulVelvet OMG WHYYYY??? 😭😭😭😭
@@sawadeekrunch9436Who says they aren’t coming back? I have 3 analysis videos coming this weekend 😅
@@SoulVelvet YOU GOT ME THERE BABESS
@@SoulVelvetHey can I ask you a question: Do you know the singer Tamia. Would you say she's a high soprano (light lyric?). Also how would you rate her technique. I think she's amazing.
+10:32 What’s that video of the white stage on the river with Solji and the other singers with her?
nah beyonce is a high mezzo\ mezzo
Can u make male version of thiss plss, because i wanna know where my voice sits
It's about similar to women/females (and the definitions do fairly apply to these subtypes except make them about men) except it's tenors, baritones, and basses for males.
Tenors:
-High tenors (eg Ryeowook (SuJu), Mitch (Pentatonix), maybe Haechan (NCT))
-Light tenors (basically the majority of KPOP male idols and male Western pop singers)
-Medium tenors (eg Park Hyoshin, V (BTS))
-Low tenors (eg Hwanhee (Fly to the Sky), Sam Smith maybe)
Baritones:
-High baritones (eg Scott Hoying (Pentatonix), John Legend)
-Low baritones (eg Avi Kaplan (Pentatonix) maybe)
Bass (I actually don't know any good examples from the top of my head)
@@KittyTsunderehow are you doing?
@@vampiregaming9820 Hey there! I’m doing pretty good despite also being busy actually, and going on with my life. Graduated from grad school about 7 months ago with a Masters, turned 25 last month, and adulting rn with a full-time job, living on my own, and a boyfriend. 🤗
I am still working on a couple of projects, but it’s on-and-off due to real life priorities.
Also to add, a misconception is that the most common voice type for men is baritone when it’s really not (it’s tenor actually). Just like how many sopranos conceive themselves as “altos” (when alto by itself is just a choral role based on range and not necessarily true voice type and contralto is most rare), many of these men who consider themselves as “baritones” haven’t really explored the true potential of the upper part of their range yet a la they’re untrained or lazy tenors lol.
@@KittyTsundere i think v bts belongs to light tenor because of how thin he sounds without his weird vowel shaping, if u watch his old clips when he has yet develop that issue his voice was super thin
I had no idea so many asian women had been totally aborbed into western pop forms.
hi, whats the name of that beautiful song of Lena Park?
Is Dia(ex kiss and cry) high soprano？
Yes. Listen to her "Let It Go" cover and you will notice she sounds so much like Hyolyn. What is funny is that both Hyolyn and DIA are in the same vocal tier of being P-G. Also, listen to her solo work, and you'll really hear she sounds so much like Hyolyn.
I THINK I'm a low mezzo.
7:34 pls could you give me the link of this performance?
Whats the song? 13:20
To me Nina Simone didn’t sound like a man throughout her range though. You could tell you were listening to a woman when you heard her sing certain songs. It’s only her very low notes that sound androgynous. As a matter of fact none of the contralto samples you played here sounds like men. They sound like low voiced women.
I agree they sound like very old age ladies but the point is the weight and tessitura of them can match with some medium weight tenor. Some Tenors can sound inherent brighter than Contraltos too.
Funny that some fan consider Alicia Keys (damaged & undeveloped Soprano) is a Contralto and they call Nina "Dramatic Contralto" while all Contralto should be "dramatic" by default.
@@jinji4609 I do agree with that assessment in classical music. However, I find in non-classical music a lot of the so called contraltos have voices that are damaged from smoking, drinking and age. So many of these woman learned to sing in their speaking ranges because they lost most of their top register due to their huskier sound.
What is Ariana Grande and Madison Beer?
light sopranos
I don't think Jennifer Hudson is a low Soprano.
what do you think she is?
I don't agree, I think she sounds like a low soprano.
After giving a second look, I think I might disagree. But she's still a soprano of some sorts.
What is the name of the song at 11:25?
YAAAAAAAAAAS
oh wow
7:15 full vid pls
Do you have an instagram?
I have discord
@@SoulVelvet what is your username on discord?
What was the first song?
Beyoncé light soprano...ahahah.
Why do you think Ali is a mezzo-soprano? She sang soprano pitch in Speechless like this with bright/thin weight timbre
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Can you provide the example of her mezzo quality in mid range? She sound smaller than others mezzo in A4/Bb4 to me
Is lily a high soprano??? Her vocal is so light , her lows aren't that great evem her f#4 sounds low
Even Mezzo's F#4 sound low, wdym
Subtypes such lyric or dramatic can most definitely be used outside of classically trained singers. It may have originated there but it refers to qualities of the voice that can be heard in any well developed voice.😂 lets not spread misinformation
Lol
I've got no problem with people occasionally using terms like "lyric" and "dramatic" but sometimes I think it can just get out of hand.
is snsd seohyun high soprano?
She definitely doesn't sound bright with her belting when adding strong chest coordination
@@Oliver-uz1fs oh okayyy, I thought she sounds baby and child-like at times 😭😅
@@johnlloydquitain8116Seohyun used the second most lightened technique after Sunny in her group
@@johnlloydquitain8116I'm aware she can sound cute when she wants but we literally have her shared belt with Tae in Gee ot8 as more of an already proof of her not being a high soprano 😅 she already sounds "darker" than Jessica there lmao
And Jessica was still known as a better belter at that time
@@Oliver-uz1fsI agree, seohyun can sound cute when she uses that thin, bright approach with a very raised larynx and nasality but it’s artificial. And even then she still sounded less small than NingNing and Ben.
When Seohyun belted on mask singer and the musical she sounded like a normal soprano.
Beyonce is a mezzo soprano
I guess she's debatable
For me soprano is horrible. High-pitched sounds cause iritation and headaches, but contralto is relaxing, "warm" sounds.
isnt christina a mezzo now due to damage
@dominicwileman she was a soprano trying to unsoprano herself, she has more access to lows now and she struggles above G#4 so shes technically a mezzo now
@dominicwileman her tone screams mezzo tho
@dominicwileman Well she's rlly close to high mezzo but low sop still
@@jake_thefox4675 her tone is heavily modified LOL
Yes in my opinion.