Sidemount or Backmount for Wreckdiving
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 11 มี.ค. 2024
- As we are planning the 2024 ISE Wreck Safari to Coron we ran into this discussion and I found this a very nice topic for a video.
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I love this, as it is super controversial , that guarantees much more engagement than those "how to clips," and it brings the haters out of their caves 😂
For my part, I went full sidemount 4 years ago, and that's always my number one choice. I'm almost always the first one on the water, wether it is from a RIB or any other type of boat. I don't need help to get on the boat either. And it's a pleasure for gear transportation, I can also dive with one, two three or four tanks without changing anything on my harness. I still have a small double 8.5L for shallow or non-technical diving, but that's not my preferred setup.
I'll be getting a CCR certification soon, on the Flex2.
Agree - sidemount is easy to don or dof even from a rib once you’re used to it (and I can don both quickly on rib - as quickly as a single cylinder diver). Redendancy, easy on back and easier handling make it my primary dive configuration for any dive now, even recreational.
I side mount dive exclusively.
I appreciate that i can travel anywhere and sidemount. My XDeep Stealth BC is travel friendly. I bring my tank straps and anywhere rents two tanks.
I love hauling my tanks to the water's edge just out of my vehicle. Going back and getting all of my gear on, then (relaxingly) walk down (carrying hardly any weight) and strapping the tanks on in the water.
I love the acrobatics i can do in the water. Millennium Falcon'ing (a term my backmounted doubles dive buddy has termed) through obstacles.
MOST IMPORTANT: i doff my tanks before i get out of the water, and without putting my nitrogen loaded tissues under pressure, walk to my vehicle without the extra load. Change out of my drysuit and after a while, go grab my tanks.
95% of the time I'm shore diving and sometime with long walk, so sidemount is way easier. I think it depend on each one of us but for me I would go sidemount for that trip because I'm more effective due that I allways dive that way.
I sidemount off boats. I giant stride or backroll with tanks on no problem. Cant walk back up on ladders too.
People are rarely waiting on me, usually the opposite.
Biggest benefit is when traveling I can always run doubles no matter what tanks are available. Also my bcd folds up very small.
Same here, seems like a lot of this hassle is easily avoidable and I don't really get it.
Perhaps I am yet to see sidemount diver with deco cylinders getting ready quickly. From my experience, SM divers take ages... especially on a boat and a lot of space. It is possible that I have only experienced slow SM divers😃😃
I actually enjoy jumping in with side mount period there is a dive that we do regularly where I live off a pier. There are two ways to get in one walk around and down the boat launch or two jump off the pier. It's an eight foot drop , but that is the way I go in now.
Both have their advantages and disadvantages; I look at what I'm going to do and pick accordingly. For general open water diving I do prefer sidemount; I just find it more comfortable. But I do both because I enjoy having the skills for both.
I wish you would do more videos where you teach techniques preparation and how to carry equipment for local and airline destinations, thanks.
5:10 for some reason at this point in the video I imagined an extremely long long-hose configuration
Backmount is more stable, side mount more agile. With back mount the tanks are a solid extension of you, while with side mount they can move separately from you.
If they made a solid side mount that stayed perfectly on your side and didn't move around like a loose rec single with a flexible strap... Then sides would always win...
Sidemount diving off of boats is a skills/training issue. I sidemount everywhere. That said, it isn't for everyone. Every configuration has its own advantages and drawbacks and the weight of those varies based on the scenario and the diver in question. As far as mixed teams, the sidemount diver has different points in gearing up and recovering to the the boat than a doubles diver but again, this is a skills and experience issue. It's nice to jump in light with an equipment line festooned with tanks and not have to waddle around with 4 tanks, but a fully kitted up jump is the go-to in rough weather just like with doubles. Sidemount and doubles go together quite well. Single tank backmount is fine too. Open circuit and rebreathers is not a good mix; it's two teams going together on the same dive.
We do a lot of exploration in remote areas in Índia, and any dive we need 2 tanks or more we do in sidemount for the simplicity and flexibility it offers. Even for the divers who prefer Backmount doubles it’s mostly independent doubles.
Very good and justified opinion on a very controversial topic! Love it!
The biggest argument for sidemount for me is that you can use the same tool for everything. Backmount could be a better tool for something but you'd have to own two different tools and be able to operate both equally competently. Not to mention carrying all the tools or trying to find a set of doubles in the destination. So this question is really for people who already have all the tools and skills. For people interested getting into technical diving, especially overhead, I would always recommend sidemount as the do-it-all tool.
Totally agree with SM being a tool for the job. Unfortunately it has become a fashion. How do you recognise a sidemount diver? You don't need to, they will tell you😊.
I just stick to backmount single, twin or ccr. If cave is too small, I leave it for sidemount guys:)
The best comment I heard on the sidemount hubris: Backmount vs. Sidemount is just a choice of tools. In backmount, the tool is on your back. In sidemount, the tool is between the tanks.
Totally agree. Backmount is just easier and faster. I’ll go SM when solo Cave Diving, and the few FL springs
That I can’t get through on backmount but that’s about it.
Oldie but goldie.
I just dont have anything than sidemount. From Rec up to 2 Deco tanks and CCR, all Sidemount and Im just too lazy and greedy to transfer to backmount. 😂 I dont even have a backplate.
On a lake with difficult entry its often more conveniant and im approx as fast as my bm buddies. There are workarounds for boat / drift dives, but it will never be as easy.
Within my emphasis on cave diving I need measurably less gas than my buddy which has the exact same SAC-Rate whe doing lake diving. That´s the facts IMO.
Backmount provides more failure response options in the form of the isolation manifold than does sidemount. Logistically, a failure response option which provides continued access to the entire gas supply is superior to managing sidemount supplies in the same failure scenario. Ergo, sidemount is a tool that I move to only when clearance issues preclude backmounts.
Backmount has more failure points, including procedural failure (not using the manifold correctly).
In a gas loss emergency you lose out of both tanks until the problem is corrected. In sidemount you lose from only one and in an extreme emergency you can switch regs underwater.
Achim, you should definitely get a little bit more time on sidemount. Plenty of people are capable of entering and exiting the water onto a boat rigged up. This only rigging in the water thing comes from instructors who don't teach anything else.
I would love to hear why you disagree with mixed teams, specifically OC and CCR. I personally feel it requires a bit more planning on the CCR divers part, but can be done 100% safely. You always bring a great different perspective to these issues. I want to hear your thoughts!
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Hello Achim! I'm a fan of yours from Spain. I've been watching you for years, not missing a single video. I hope you never stop!
The topic is very interesting, although I see it differently. You yourself acknowledge that sidemount extends the limits of diving, but in wrecks, there are many situations like that submarine, many. And it's not superhardcore penetration simply because you can't fit with your doubles, you just couldn't enter through doors or places that you could have entered with sidemount, with the same (or more, in my opinion) safety.
I respect that you prefer not to penetrate through wreck sites, but sidemount cannot be refuted by talking about an explorer with a 7L in nomount. Sidemount has the same safety as doubles, which doesn't make it a dangerous hardcore penetration, it simply allows you to see more areas of the wreck, and ultimately, that's what we like.
Furthermore, and this is a personal opinion, I believe that well-executed sidemount doesn't keep anyone waiting and is very convenient to set up from a boat in calm waters. So, in my opinion, backmount should be called "a tool for a need: jumping from a boat with currents or heavy waves," and not sidemount as "a tool for passing restrictions."
Thank you for sharing so much knowledge and for all I've learned and debated with you!
A first stage breaks on one of your sidemount tanks. You lose that gas. In isolated doubles you do not.
Hi Achim, good theme for discussion, thanks for that ! But I disagree, because I think you chose an „unfair“ scenario for your obvious reservations about SM. Such an extreme situation you mentioned (ca minute 06:00) is not a common situation in any diving (wreck, cave) .I started my „career“ with BM, D10, D10 300b, D12 and one day I tried SM just for fun and wont miss it again!! Yes there is some hassel at the beginning, but as always its a question of training. But, for me, the gain of comfort above and under water is a complete new quality, besides some not to be neglected improvements in safety aspects. And NO, SM is not just a tool,its , and again for me, such an improvement in mobility and of course of joy in, my, Diving wehtet wreck or just OW ! So ,long blabla, short result: it always depends on personal preferences
For me, being a BSAC ocean diver 20m, i cant get redundancy until 100 dives as sports diver twin backmount. But now with the rec sidemount SSI, i have redundancy and qualified to 30m.
It's easier for me to lift and clip one cylinder at a time, to hand them up as well, where as twin backmount, some of my club members really struggle to lift that kind of weight, myself included 😂.
TLDR, i prefer this tool for my diving, and the dives i choose to undertake(all open water, not wreck penetration trained yet)
Not true. a BSAC Sports Diver can do a Twin-Set SDC after only 20 dives as an SD. But if redundancy is your issue, you can carry a pony (no size restriction - I'd recommend no smaller than a 5L) as soon as you've qualified as a Sports Diver, or go to Independent twin cylinders straightway too.
@@LeeLeatherbarrow you are correct, I just looked again, I have no idea where I saw/misremembered the 100 dives.
Either way, I still take issue with it being locked away, such as it is.
I have already gone sidemount and I am enjoying it for what it is.
Thanks for the check 👍
Sure, as a big & strong guy way to go, but i could not climbe up a boat in a 12L twinset. So, i supose as a sidemounty ise trips are not for us. funny, the guy that probably did the most tec dives there is a sidemounty, Andy Davis.
We shore dive the North coast of California and it requires walking across and climbing down through the intertidal and entering through a shore break...SM would not be our choice, we need the equipment tight against us and with minimum surface area for entries and exits through surf and into a high energy ocean...
When you say double 20s, do
you mean 20L steel tanks? Surely that’s insanely heavy no?
What else could he think?
2x12 is 30kg,
2x20 is 46 kg
@@scubacro5758 that's insane!
@@avieorbb and thats empty, air adds couple kg
All the complaints and negatives he’s talking during on this video, can simply be rectified by proper sidemount training and/or experience. This is the same old-school mentality that sidemount is only a tool and nothing else. As soon as I hear that used up rhetoric, I tune out.
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Life is too short for unnecessary complications as an expression of Lifestyle. I am with you in all what you say. Sidemount is a Tool, very specific. Nothing that is a GPT. Looking forward to the next Video!