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11:26 I think the word you were looking for was tertiary...
I've always compared vtubers to "anime Muppets".
In the case of lore, the fact that Kermit is a frog is not relevant 95% of the time. Kermit is just Kermit. But the lore lurking in the wings lets the performer to pull it out for impact when it becomes relevant, such as Kermit singing It's Not Easy Being Green".
Funnily enough, I've also compared Vtubers to Muppets. Though I was likening them to Muppets more so for the fact that they (or at least the Live2D Vtubers) are limited in their range of movements and expressions which, like Muppets, adds a lot to their charm.
Jim Henson was a vtuber
This is a weird comparison but I'm totally agreed
This is SUCH a great comparison!
Kaela from Holo ID Gen 3 is one of the most lore accurate Vtubers out there with her grind mindset.
I think Nerissa’s lore is supposed to be a reflection of her irl self. She’s a demon of sound with a broken horn, limiting her powers. Irl, she’s a singer with damaged vocal cords or throat. I forget exactly what the issue is, but it limits her singing to some degree
Post Covid that's an unnervingly common trait
I love how show deep lore in their trailers and debuts just 2 or 3 weeks turn into comedians
Same
I wish Cecilia showed off her robotic movement toggle at least once 😭
2 or 3 weeks? Some of them take 2-3 DAYS...
2 or 3 days? Some are comedians since day 1
"They are comedians?"
"Always has been."
if I remember correctly, Haachama contributed greatly on popularizing deep lores for their models/characters. the dual personality she created, the eerie vids she started, streaming in Akai Haato & Haachama differently. it was quite the journey.
yeah I feel sad when I watched the vid and there's no single Haachama here
Was going to comment this. The Coexist chapter was something else for sure and was one of the biggest events to meld lore with character, but considering it was over 3 years ago now I understand how many people don't even know of it.
How would you even explain Haachama lore, to someone new to V-tubers?
@@ImFrelledit cannot merely be explained in a comment. I suggest looking up some video essays on Haachama to truly try and understand the INSANITY that this woman created in terms of lore! It covers psychological horror, multimedia presentations, and even just basic "self-knowledge"...all this BECAUSE she was basically trapped outside of JP for the pandemic. It gets DEEP!
@@ImFrelled you dont you show it
I like how lore becomes spun by fans and intertwine by accident. I'm mostly thinking of Amelia Watson who was supposed to be just a human detective, but it got spun that she was a timetraveler and became intertwined with Kronii's lore on how she got her timetravel watch. Personally it's a fun thing tbh
Or Ina being the villain in most Holo EN animations and art
But ame time travel lore is start by Ame herself.
Also Callie sparing her from a sudden young death
It was sort of on the spot as she referenced an old thing and about to get called boomer, then "I'm a time traveler" , though it didn't take long for the Ameverse to form
I love the way Akai Haato handled her lore.
Her initial was simply just "she's a tsundere kouhai", and that's it. But then she got stuck in Australia during Covid and kept getting demonetized by TH-cam, so she started acting more crazy and unhinged and also started calling herself "Haachama". It didn't take long before her fans started joking that "Haachama" was some kind of demonic possession or split personality or something.
Cue spring of 2021, where she spent... I think it was several _months,_ if I remember correctly, turning the "Haachama is a split personality" joke into an actual part of her character's canonical lore.
"I'm actually a sapient tomato under all this, and my appearance is just a skinsuit."
It can be fun to see them play with lore, like when Ina made that joke based on the fact that there's a hostile mob in Minecraft that happens to share a name with part of Kronii's title. Or even alluding to PL lore, like with Michi and Kuro roasting each other.
Also, reconciling lore with reality can be fun to watch them try to do. Or just give up because there's no way you're thousands of years old if you watched Spongebob as a kid.
For a bit of context at 12:36, John Carmack was the Co founder of ID Software and co creator of Wolfenstein and DOOM. Fun fact, During the development of Doom, the game's creative director actually wrote down a massive document of lore called "the Doom Bible" with different character backstories and details for the game. However, John didn't approve it so it was mostly ignored aside from a few minor details. If you wondered why people called the dude from Doom "Doom Guy", this is why.
You can't start streaming with in-jokes and audience back-and-forth, especially if you aren't in a group, those things have to be built over time. Lore is often a stand-in that gives the streamer a starting point with how to interact with their audience, a draw to intrigue people, and to start building those jokes and ideas off of. "Natural lore" is better than constructed lore, but you can't start with it, so I think there is a good reason why it tends to be used initially.
this helps with naming the fanbase, like how are you gonna call your fanbase if you are "random anime girl number 20"
Cecilia's winding up routine is very neat use of the lore
It's a very cute detail that adds to the charm. Same with her lore-accurate handcam that's made to resemble her model
@@arikaaa69 It's always cool when a vtuber adds immersion like that in their handcams. RL sleeves matching the model? I approve. Cecilia going one step further with her handcam gloves is always a plus.
V-Tubers are just digital pro-wrestlers and their lore is their gimmick. Ultimately, the talent underneath is going to make or break their career and fandom. But the gimmick is going to help them get noticed in the first place. It's also just fun and helps them stand out against the heavy competition they face. Without it, they may as well just be digital animated boy/girl # 0451.
I think people underestimate how valuable vtuber lore is.
Firstly it helps you tell the vtuber apart from others a lot easier.
Then you have all the lore driven jokes and memes.
It can be a direction from content ideas and you can take that as far or as little as you like without any issue. (Like you could always stream in a bar as a bartender or just play games that have to do with rats when they come up if you're a rat.)
Then there's just the way it's a convenient latching on point for audience/in the moment based lore and in-jokes.
And finally it just allows you to build off it for more things. New outfits, activities, or even actual video games that would be impossible with out it (like CouncilRyS RPG or HoloCure for example).
If you were just "*shrug* a pink person I guess" you'd have none of these tools and possibilities.
I think, when you're starting to stream as a VTuber, lore can be your rescue boat while diving to find good content in the sea of ideas. At first you rely more on the lore aspects when you're uncertain or nervous until you find your groove step by step, returning to the rescue boat fewer and fewer times.
Lore can also help illustrating things you can't or don't want to talk about, like Calli's scythe swinging lessons for example.
It all depends on how much one wants to include lore in their content, of course. Really interesting stuff.
Lore can also be a fun subject for banter between the vtuber and the fans. Like teasing Nerissa about laying eggs.
About the Nerissa leaning into her lore is probably about how she explain a lot of things that happens to her based on her lore.
Like, how she is treating a problem with her throat and attribute the problem to the fact that she is missing part of her horn, something that, in lore, weaken her singing powers.
Other lore perk that is funny is the fact that Doki is a tomato wearing a skin suit, thats why she can change her appearance so drastically without problem.
Or some fun punchs like Matara been a ex-Hollywood worker
12:44 lol that's absolute nonsense of course, some games have beautiful stories that people still remember to this day.
John Carmack is one of the genius developers behind Doom back in the 90s, and is probably one of if not the greatest game developer of all time based on all the things he's done that changed PC gaming during his tenure.
Resident of the binding space that holds reality together John Carmack?
Yeah he's a good one to know about... He's to software what neil cicierega is to meme songs
I think some Vtubers do fully embrace their lore. Crimzon Ruze is the perfect example of a Vtuber making a large complex story with their small start of lore. Ya it ain't common, but it can be done
MotherV3 would be another good example. She is almost always her dorky, naive AI character and very rarely herself, and never (in my experience) without her TTS. I mean, even Zentraya released a MV using her irl voice.
@@karactr8361 She uses TTS for her songs too. Its a different program that allows more flexibility. Her song voice is basically her as a vocaloid.
@@Animaniac0451 I have heard most of them, but there was one (I can't remember which) that she released fairly recently that didn't sound anything like TTS but like a real voice. I would have to check her uploads for the title, though.
ETA: it was her Country Roads cover
Speaking of Holostar members, there's also Flayon who takes his character lore pretty seriously (there's even a tumblr blog dedicated to archieve moments from streams or deleted twitter posts)-Octavio is also following this method to an extent.
And on the JP side there's Astel Leda whose character lore is... complex to say the least (even Astellas have a hard time summarizing it).
Glad you liked my comment! I always felt like the best part of the lore is that it can blend in with the community´s inside jokes and their perspective of the VTuber.
Kiara being suddenly a chicken and Subaru being a duck is not their lore at first but thanks to their pre-existing lore together with what the community comes up with creates for some fun oppertunities for both the streamer AND community.
I mean, Kiara was always a bird and the whole fastfoot thing was there from the start, which really invites the Chicken jokes ngl.
Tbf, I'm pretty sure Kiara *kinda* created the whole "chicken" thing on debut...so that wasn't the same thing as Subaru becoming a duck.
Personally, Vtuber lore hit the peak sweet spot on Kiryu Coco's lore. I discovered Vtubers after Coco's debut, so I only saw her debut video after I decided she was the oshi for me. Then I saw the fan-made comic of Amelia (who by this time had a community that modified her lore to be a time travelling detective) interacting with Kiryu Coco in the way back machine. It was so appropriate, I was watching through teary eyes. It really took the lore to a whole new level for me.
While I like lore as a creative tool for the streamer and the audience.
One aspect that often seems to be overlooked, is the way lore is often used to defect personal questions. Having lore as a buffer can be a nice way to redirect when things get to personal, or when an NDA is involved. This can be especially important for corporate V-Tubers.
But, most of the time it's just a bit of silly fun.
17:44 Speaking of Matara Kan, she still leans into her lore whenever she mentions the "flesh woman" whose body she inhabits (that is, her IRL self), the husbands whom she killed and ate, and the fact that her fans are living breathing nests for her alien bug eggs. So some vtubers do seem to hold onto their lore more firmly than others, for their own reasons
I love Vtuber lore for world building and creating manga/animations. I also love how it ties to the streamer. But I will never expect the streamer to completely hold themselves to their lore 100% faithfully. Or even 10% faithfully. It was said in this video, it can be STRESSFUL and can be a killjoy.
I am a lover of both the streamer AND debut/evolving lore (with the latter depending on the streamer activity).
It also makes for a fun Alternative Timeline story if it ever comes to it.
For my part, I find Lore acts as a hook, especially pre-debut/debut. It gives a jumping off point for interactions with existing v-tubers and helps to prep the community to create character-specific memes. It's there to whet the appetite of the wider fandom for who these talents might be.
I think lore and character acting can be great for new Vtubers too. Having a character to play and keep in mind can help a lot for avoiding offhandedly saying something they shouldn't, like their real name or identifying information. It's also a pre established bundle of talking points to be creative with in the early days before you've really established that connection with your fans.
I don't think that much premade lore is needed if any at all, but if someone is going to have this lore it should fit their personality and content. You mentioned that you've been told Nerissa has implemented her lore into her content well that's because it fits her and is pretty simple. She is a sexy demon whose powers work through singing who had one of her horns broken weakening her so all she has to do to fit her lore is be sexy and sing with her also deciding to have a side story in her content that comes up being her trying to find the broken off piece of her horn so that she can return to her full power. I personally think some day that will culminate with her getting a model where she has both of her horns and is at full power again.
Also many ppl dont kniw they care about the lore but thats cuz they fell to understand lore is a evolving thing. Part of pekora lore is that she is a unhinged business woman and super villain in the lex luthor style. There is s
a exposition at the start of a book and a epilogue at the end but that part in-between that we experienced is still part of the lore
To be completely honest, wether it's vtuber lore or video game lore, to me it's about the story telling that takes place in a game for example the fnaf lore has so much story and lore to it
I personally love when a vtuber lore adds to a character
For example Ina is basically comfort in person but is also a priestess for Eldrich gods....
Many things around the channel is partly build on that lore and it adds a nice mysterious contrast
inviting the fanbase to come up with stories around that lore..heck, she adds to it too from time to time but is so vague its just spawns more fan theories XD
And I personally love that very much. (It feels like an easter eggs in video games)
I like it when Vtubers create lore for themselves and leave it open-ended for fans to write about personally. Creating a headcanon is my favorite thing to do for the groups I watch. I am not an artist but I am a writer. It's how I can contribute to the community. People love to read stories about the characters they watch but also enjoy the talent's personality. A talent can capture different audiences in this way, creating various forms of medium for fans to put their voice in a community.
Zentreya has had like at least 3 different full in-depth lore and backstories, all vastly different from each other.
My take is... lore is really helpful for Kay Yu to make characters easier. In other words, for fan games, when you need abilities.
Maybe, Myth and Council drawing more on lore in Holocure as there wasn't as much other stuff at the time
I feel like lore scratches my itch of making original characters but not being able to set up a story. VTuber lore, especially during debut, is sometimes made for the fans to speculate and create stuff without having the VTuber themself having to bring out the lore everytime. My favorite example is how holoAdvent did it. The concept was there: jailbreak, rebellion, etc... but now people can ask questions like: why are they there? What type of powers do they have? Are they related to anyone else?
And that brings out my biggest joy: theorising and creating fun narratives for people.
While I do agree that lore isn't something to be strict about, it can give a part of the community you create something interesting, and if they aren't into lore, they can make it up by being awesome funny streamer!
It's just fun.
I for one love the lore especially when it's interconnected like with v shojo and I just love the creativity that it comes up with it with Zen especially
I've always seen the whole Vtuber situation as being a spin off of the way numerous chatrooms worked in the IRC days and the like.
You had your general chat, where people had vague characters they interacted as, but it was mainly surface level. Backstories and lore could be referred to, but it was never really the constant there thing except for the rare person.
Then you had the casual RP section, one in which people would RP more like their characters, with lore playing more of a part. Amusingly, these sections were often Interdimensional Bars, since that was the easiest way to get characters from vastly different worlds together (Gee, sound familiar Takahata?)
And finally you had a more private, or more serious structured RP. Much rarer and more situational, but these would go full in on lore and backstory.
Right then and there, you have the three stages. Streamers who have lore but don't reference it much, streamers who do lore in crossovers in a more casual sense, and streamers who have periods of leaning HARD into their lore.
Ill say this. Lore is goid as helps provide a direction for creativity and innovation in fan works and future IP. Many of the games mafe by fans combine the lore and personality of talents to create innovative and interesting games. It leys artists have a backdrop to put the VTubers (example a fan art of just chasing advent or advent and justice interaction when advent was in prison) lore give a foundation to build on and a direction for merch. But if itsnot cohesive if can fall flat.
Tldr Lore properly presented is very beneficial
You definitely don’t need lore. And especially at the beginning, if you do have lore, it’s best to keep your lore simple and straight forward. Using it as just a springboard for content here and there. Also if you do it well, it becomes something that not only defines the vtuber, but the community as well. As a proud member of KFP I might be a little biased, but I feel like the membership badges for KFP are the best. This is large part due to how they very easily depict the life cycle of a KFP. Starting from an egg and growing into an adult chicken, being turned into fried chicken for the business, then being reborn again into a phoenix-chicken hybrid. So what I’m trying to get to is that lore is the best when it is not just about the vtuber, but about the community as well. Especially when it’s something that just naturally builds on itself as time goes on.
Kaela the black smith embracing her lore perfectly !!
That's what we know
Holostars EN has the best lore implementation in my opinion.
Magni Dezmond still has the best incorporation of lore I've seen from any vtuber in his 1.5 model update stream. He ripped my heart out and made me tear up. I actually highly recommend watching it if you haven't; it's that good, not do I want to spoil it.
FACT!
"he can't possibly mess the Subaru lore and mention baseball"
I mean, HoloJustice lore lasted all of like 1 stream? It was kinda funny to see them going from "Rawr gotta catch Advent" to "Nah imma just chill and stream"
I mean lore wise it was basically framed as the others got too distracted by "Earth stuff" and Liz can't get them back on track.
Yeah lore wise Justice is a ragtag adhd people and not law-enforcing (or even law-abiding) citizens. Heck even Liz's lore stated that she is not the "leader" of Justice, she just sane and capable enough to receive order form higher-ups.
@@dracotias even Liz just gave up and decided to be an idol
I mean it is also part of their lore that they don't really want to catch Advent, Liz just want to watch them while doing vtuber stuff. I only watch Cici so I can't speak about the other but her lore about being ancient is pretty prevalent in her stream as well as she can't drive at least and more importantly her hand cam stream where she made her hand look like a doll.
She also make small detail like calling her short break (winding up). For Justice!
Justice lore is great because it makes it even funnier that these supposed bringers of justice (mainly Cici and Gigi) end up doing far more crime than the fugitives they're supposed to catch.
When you think about it, it makes sense for Cecilia to become such a menace immediately, after she grew tired of doing the chores she was made for. Gigi being dumb and forgetting that Justice is just supposed to monitor rather than catch Advent is also perfectly in-line with her established lore
Vshojo lore is great for Lore Andys. Their lore videos often feature cameos from other previously debuted Vshojo vtubers.
"Rotund, in certain areas" with the head zoom 😂😂 oh koe, koe, koe smh chibi is so gonna make you pay for that
Lore for me is just like seasoning. It's just there to enhance the meal. It provides a source of inspiration for content. It doesnt have to be consistent and there isnt a 4th wall to break since it isn't to be taken seriously.
I like lore. It's a crutch that the streamers can use to pitch themselves and to fill in blanks in the debut period where they're probably insanely busy and stressed and finding their feet regardless - some well-fitting lore can bridge the gaps there and work as a supply of ready-made jokes and memes to tap. As they settle into their niches and the content they like, it accordingly becomes less important. That said, I do like it when they lean into it occasionally, so long as it continues to fit the actual streamer. That's probably why Fauna tends to go more for 'forest witch' than 'avatar of Nature' even when she leans into it.
It also opens up alternative avenues of engagement - fanfiction about actual streamers can be a bit creepy, but fanfiction about the characters that they're supposed to represent is at least a step away from that and lets you explore those characters in a way that the streamers probably won't.
Yeah the lore really helps make it easier for people to enjoy writing and reading fanfiction of them since you can disassociate them being real people and can think of them more like anime character.
This is really one of the important unique strengths of vtubing imo. The lore/charachter side helps the creation of great fanworks (Myth's Bad End or Holovure everyone?) and there being real people behind them help increase fan engagement further compared to just fictional characters (and a streamer may well have more content you can enjoy compared to an anime/game/manga/etc if the streamer has been around for a while, is reasonably active and the fictional media in question is not insanely long running like One Piece).
The true lore is the one we made it together along the way
If a vtuber model is a mask for the person, vtuber lore is a mask for that person's life. Just like how a vtuber model let's a person appear on camera without actually being on camera, vtuber lore lets them share their life and their day without giving away personal details that will identify them. For example, early Calliope Mori would make frequent reference to "scythe swinging lessons" that would prevent her from streaming on certain days or during certain times. Now, does anyone sincerely believe that she was actually training to be a reaper apprentice? Obviously not. "Scythe swinging lessons" was just a stand in for the day job she wasn't able to quit yet for Hololive. This sort of thing is especially useful for vtubers who want to maintain a certain level of transparency or authenticity with their viewers, but are compelled by contract to be cagey on personal details.
In HoloPro also especially in EN and ID, lores can point out to their content creation activity before applying to Holo
IMHO lore is a base for fans (especially digital creator such as artist or game developer etc) so they can expand through their story, like @HxPunisher said. To make it related and not out of character too far. Also, would it be nice if the liver and the fans having fun with the lore?
I find some cool comic and animations like:
Dongle E -has cool hololive comic and they fighting omega alpha
Kugeki ch - a simple animation but the lore she's making is awsome
Zero sketchbook - the lore is good too
lore in general is pretty fluff. i don't need it, but i'm happy when it's there and i have something to watch/read. that being said - the lore colab between vshojo and merryweather in 2022 was just awesome and i was said when i realized the limited contract wouldn't be enough for a conclusive story line. and when silver, vei and nyanners left, it pretty much killed the story. i hope someday they will at least continue/expand the zen/mel/melware storyline.
I enjoy the lore more so for the community creation side of things and inside jokes with the streamer. Also that Jim Carrey moment at 11:04 killed me, thanks for that Editor!
For me it's not integral, but it gets me so much more involved with them.
There's only a couple VTubers I like enough to watch regularly. I enjoy their personality, way of expressing themselves and the type of content they go for. Then there's a handful I watch occasionally, and some I only ever watch through clips. And even those I don't mesh with at all and actively avoid.
But once lore gets involved, I'm suddenly interested in ALL of them. Worldbuilding is my jam, and that includes theorycrafting around everything we know about backgrounds, abilities, magic systems, divine pantheons, spacefuture tech and whatever else is involved. I love it.
ALSO, like you said, so much of a vtubers' story comes from the fans latching onto the lore and or inside jokes and then combining the two. We wouldn't have gotten the Ame-verse if fans didn't expand on it.
I love when the lore is develop by the Vtuber and the community.
This is why I love participate to Debut like HoloJustice recently :
We have so many joke, meme and reference etablish with the girls like "For Justice", "Da Fister" or "it's Raover".
When it comes to lore role-playing, there's only two possible outcomes; or the Vtuber completely ignores it, going far as mentioning openly the "model" or the "rigging", like IRyS. Or there's Vtubers who refuse to talk about anything without mentioning in lore info, like Luna Hime, who created a character voice and refuses to let her real voice leak out.
Sure, there's all kinds of taste, but it's funny how there's no in-between.
Another example of the latter extreme is Suisei who is so into kayfabe that even Hololive website doesn't have her artist and rigger but instead the person "in charge of her make-up". Similarly in one of her new outfits the artist announced it as "I designed clothes for" rather than "I drew a new model for".
Though I do think there are people who more in the middle of the spectrum rather than it being a more strict binary as you imply.
To me VTuber lore is a very nice, useful framework for both the VTuber and any new fans coming into their content. And if I want a deeper dive into something lore-like... fanfiction exists to fill that exact need for people. I am currently waiting on the next chapter of a HoloMyth fanfic that explores the authors idea of how the group could form while staying lore-compliant. It build on the existing relationships between the VTubers and on the lore they were initially presented with and it's actually quite good.
Outside of that lore is flavor and seasoning. It can enhance things as long as it's applied with care and restraint.
Lore being truly part of VTuber character works well when the lore explains why the persona focuses on what they do. Look at Astraline: a dog boy mangaka with delusions of world domination (Merryweather) in charge of a Finnish wolf (Lumi), a Viking elf/valkyrie who loves her history (Alfhilde), a buff demon catman who tells the arcane dark lore (Nick Nocturne), and the owlish twink who maintains the library of weird shit while going down rabbit holes and drinking tea (Fredrik Knudsen). Their lore was based off what they bring to Astraline, especially when all were already established doing this stuff, and why they became a group.
Mannn I was hoping koe was gunna react to vtuber lore
Lore be damned when it goes out the window within a day of debut 😅
personally i enjoy it i think it useful for fans to create content for the vtuber, for instance i make wwe videos with vtubers and i use their lore to drive the story for instance the current story is Melware is taking over she teamed up with multiverse monarch ama lee she would summon other vtubers
from other universe Zen is also the one who has to defeat Melware
one of Melware's abilities is to turn people evil similar to Brainiac from dc, she did this to neuro sama
but when attempting to do it to Gura, gura was able to fight it off by turning into red Gura
i also use the post debut lore where Kobo is calli and kiara's kid
I'm a fan of vtubers having lore - It's not *needed*. But I'm a big Calli fan and it's far from unheard of from her to talk about being a reaper, for example.
I think it gives new vtubers a fantastic *starting point* for interacting with their fans and making some initial jokes they CAN drop it after they build a bit of rapport with their viewers. But they can also... Keep it up, and have a lot of fun with it - It's a great tool that can be used to continually make in jokes, fun videos, things like that...
Speaking of Calli again, I love her deep introspective songs. There's a lot of serious thought going into those... But there's usually a reference to scythe swinging or something in there too, which is far more a lore/character thing. It's fun. On the other side of things, though it's less common in her recent music... One of her most popular songs is RIP, which is entirely in character - And I'm a big fan of, say, "The Grim Reaper is a Live-Streamer", which is pretty heavy on it too.
As you've said about 'created' lore, that's also very fun and I love fan-content or on-stream occurences being wrapped into it - I think Lore is at it's best when it's somewhat fluid, in fact, so that the streamer doesn't feel constrained about it, like they HAVE to act like a reaper or whatever it is at all times.
As an aside, "thirdly" probably = Tertiary? A tertiary concern?
I appreciate the fusion of a streamer's reality with the narrative, as seen with Bobon Pranaja ex NijiID. Initially portrayed as an ordinary fisherman, his exceptional FPS skills led to a lore twist, transforming him into a former special operative, complemented by a Solid Snake-inspired outfit.
This is the content I need
that's one hell of a flashbang at the start of the video..
best intro i've ever seen
11:33 For those wondering, the equivalent of 'secondary' for third is 'tertiary'.
I think, for me, the initial lore goes a long way into the vtuber's character design itself. It helps in understanding why one's model looks like that.
Though I would also argue it could be looked at in both ways, either lore was created *for* the design, or a design came up *after/while* the lore was being built up.
Also the lore definitely wears off after a few streams (more often than not subconsciously), and it all comes down to how the vtuber and the community spins it going forward.
Bold of you to say you love when the community drives the lore, Toefficient. 😂👣
Lore can be interesting if you're adding to it like a storybook, take Basilwoof and Boo the rat for example. Their lore for Stinky Hollow is an ongoing story between the 2 of them, Basil being the werewolf and Boo the witch/potion mixer of the forest. It's always fun when they have a new chapter to add
I'd say that lore is not necessary for the stream but it is a great asset when making merchandise. They can make figurines out of a certain lore situation, books, comics, etc.
I liked that Lore video that Calli did and it showed a young Ame working on her time machine. I thought that video was awesome and well done. I like the lore vids because it tells you a backstory of that V-Tuber or V-Tubers. John Carmack is one of the found fathers of FPSes he made Wolfenstein 3D and Doom along with John Romero. I do agree that the Steams themselves create new lore look at Calli for example she did a 24hr stream with one of her VODs being taken down due to copyright issues and the 2nd video of that is where she is drawing and she had Ollie and another ID member and her name escapes me and Ollie asks Calli if she wants clothes and Calli says and i am going to paraprhase "I would like for you to give me clothes Ollie." And then you have Kalea playing that game where you have to eat Sushi or you will die and she ends up making her self laugh so hard that she had to get her oxygen.
Not to mention the Lore between Moona and Pekora.
I think, regardless of whether they have horns or wings or their hair is literally water the vast majority of vtubers are streamers first and characters second. Clearly this investigation shows most viewers are on the same page, they tune in to watch someone streaming instead of some anime dragon princess character. You made a really good point that with livestreaming the "live" element means chat is very involved in whatever developments might take place in character or irl. Trying too hard to cling to the lore revealed at debut will eventually deny that evolution and connection.
That said, any vtubers that are dedicated to acting out a character in every stream, I am so there for it. Sometimes in a world that takes itself too seriously we need people who take fiction too seriously to balance things out.
the lore is what makes it fun for me..
The visual and interactive language of Mumei's and Ina's streams and communities, giving unique and rich experiences, changing almost every interaction between streamer and chat, I dont know how much of it is lore, maybe all of it? But I think most of us are different when we're being a Taco vs when we're a Hooman vs when we're a Pebble
I think lore is great. As a viewer I love the lore it helps me get invested into members and the general world of the vtuber. I have gotten into Hololive lore deeply and the world is so interesting, idk I think lore is great even after debut. Stuff like Shinri spending 10 mins explaining lore is great to me.
I personally love deeper vtuber lore, but I agree it seems most people don't care. I personally think it helps drive your concept and theme so much though. I tell my story for myself, and I feel satisfaction of self-expression when telling it with a visual form.
My friend has a vtuber model of a sci-fi golem archiver that drives a moai head ship, traveling through enterdimentional space.
I accompany him is some streams, though I dont have a vt model, I do have a png persona which is a one eyed tentacled eldrich being.
So we just added my persona to his concept where my lovecraftian creature is latched on to his ship as he travels through dimensions.
Love me some lore!
I think predebut Lore is like the core of a castle, a single room. You can leave it there, and just create content from the one room, or you could expand it, create more rooms, making the castle bigger and embracing the lore.
Then there's chat, rearranging the rooms and adding stupid crooked towers, annd you end with a castle that no-one understands how it's standing, but it is, and it's your castle, created with your comunnity
its like icing to cake
but a cake doesnt need an icing to be a cake
tbh whenever people talk about a Vtuber Anime Im always kind of dissapointed when its another anime focused on the streaming part and using fully new characters, I honestly think a Anime that is focused on the in-lore universe version of already existing and known real vtubers like for example Hololive, would be extremly good and interesting (as the video "Myth's Bad Ending" easily proves, I would absolutley love something that is kind of like Myths Bad Ending but full scale Anime that focuses on their lore universe instead of streaming part, maybe even fully ignore streaming part.)
Lore is important. It's a placeholder for questions like "who are you?".
I think lore videos can be a good way to show off your creativity and break through to an audience before you're fully established, but not essential once your audience knows you.
11:26 btw it's primary, secondary and tertiary.
My favorite lore is how Koe is on a quest to portray every Vtuber with his unearthly cosplaying skills.
Vtuber lore ultimately is not really that necessary, but it should be not underestimated and written off as irrelevant.
I won't go in detail about the impact of lore on the vtuber community for the sake of brevity but lore gave us takodachis, kfp, saplings, dragoons, etc. Plus, the kayfabe, while at times a bit edgy, brings so much charm to the vtuber that's hard to quantify in words, like FUWAMOCO arguing about Fuwawa being the older sister just because her ears were bigger. Or Muyu from Phase Connect with her bell sounds and ending her phrases with "muu" making her just so adorable~.
Yeah, once again, lore is not that important. But should not, by any means be underestimated.
I still remember Zen in her Space Captain Model Days :)
I think you're right by your own definition. I think what you described is very normal. No one is actively avoiding a vtubers content in favor of their world and world building.
Those who love lore need to be attached to something first. Could be design, voice, or how a stranger or friend described them.
Anyways, my thoughts about this, i enjoy lore, I follow Hololive the most, so I especially love their lore. It's a shame you aren't up to date with Nerissa. She's a great example of sticking to the lore in healthy dosages and adding to it little by little. She randomly throws out lore in streams, but they usually sound well thought out. It's like she's revealing things that can't really be squeezed in a lore video, but be read in a fact sheet of a character.
And I want to elevate my oshi as well. I think Shiori Novella's lore is one of the best because everything about her encourages creation in the community. Her story is vague and simple, and it leads to so many possibilities. The way she expands to these as well is by making her own stories in her YT community tab, and it's like she's revealing her adventures of story hopping before she was captured.
Depends - lore helps with fan creations if you have zero interest on making games or stories/content about the streamer then it doesn't matter
But if you are trying to make a game or a story/content then it is very important, like what characteristics do they have as a fighter? How would they fight!? What magic can they use? What can they do with their abilities? How do they interact with other streamers in their agency within a story?
Sometimes their streamer moments are good enough for short stories but anything deeper they need lore
Holy smoke! How could I miss a fun treat like this?!
I personally really like the lore part of Vtubers, and its a shame that mostly the fans are playing and creating AMEzing things with it. Not so long ago I discovered a channel here on TH-cam, thats all about Vtuber Lore, hes basically MatPat if MatPat did Vtuber Theory instead of Game Theory.
So, as a viewer and enjoyer of VTubers, I look at either how entertaining they are, how funny they are or if they have a talent they work hard towards or a combination of all three in my honest opinion.
Yeah I mean, all these vtubers are pretty unique and unusual for our world in general, so you gotta give some backstory with how they got here!
11:28 Primary, secondary, tertiary. And you can look up "ordinal numeral" if you wanna go even further than that.
Koe, you forgot the BEST reason for the lore: the Vtuber MOMS. Period.8)
2 things that I like, A gaming RGBT toaster, and DUCK
Fauna lore just fits. A caring person that also loves animals = mother nature... and mother nature can sometimes be dangerous and a gamer
best part about Subaru is that she was never SUPPOSED to be a Duck but she was slowly gaslit into accepting it over time