Saka vs Foden: The INSANE Stat That Ends The Debate.
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In this video, James Allcott takes a look at the Saka v Foden debate and analyses each player to decide who is better!
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0:00 Who Is Better: Saka or Foden?
0:58 Why Saka Is Most Important Than Foden.
1:30 Why Saka Is LEVELS Above Foden At This...
2:25 Why This GENIUS Saka Moment Is Key In The Debate.
4:22 Saka's INSANE Stat Where Nobody Comes Close!
5:44 The Genius Of Foden That Saka Will Never Have.
8:10 The Most Important Stat For Saka & Foden At EURO 2024.
9:01 3 Things That End The Saka v Foden Debate.
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Saka receiving 16.7 Progressive Passes per game is absolutely insane 😂😂
He's basically a one man offensive tactic for one of the best teams in the Prem !! 🌟 Boy
Saka holds the width for Arsenal. So, its natural that he would receive more progressive passes
@@pratham014 Many players hold the width for their teams. Only he is head and shoulders above the rest in terms of Progressive passes received.
@pratham014 why then isn't Grealish and Doku putting up the same numbers?
@@robertemmanueljonjo2889 style of play. Arsenal are more direct than City. City tend to control the game with high possessions and teams would low block vs City means that is a lot of short passes to unlock those teams. City wingers also play as a touchline winger which mean they don't really play near the box and on the side line. Plus City have a really left sided bias when attacking, hence why you see Grealish have pretty high Progressive Passes Received compared to Foden (who is mainly played on the right, sometimes as touchline winger, sometimes as a 10). But the simplest answer would be that City's main creators are usually their midfielders, KDB and Foden (when played centrally)
A lot of what you said still applies to Arsenal though. The big difference is that Martinelli plays as the touchline winger while Saka comes in field a lot more of the time. At the same time, Arsenal still play largely possession based football in the opponents half, they also face many low blocks, which they struggled to score against without setpieces for large parts of the season. As you say, it's more so that City focus on creating through the middle while Arsenal tend to bring play wide to cut open the defence. @@ammarbaagu
Would love to a comparison of French CB’s. This is the position that they arguably have the best talent and depth in.
France also has best attack 😢
Even midfield is overpowered😢
Yes, the Konate vs Upamecano vs Saliba vs Varane vs Kimpembe debate is a tough one
@@PatrickCWaltersUpamaguire no where near Konate.
@@PatrickCWaltersthere’s no way you’re saying upamecano over hernandez
@OGMercator No I'm just saying it's a congested position for France. They have like 5 or 6 CBs capable of playing for the National team
I'm not even an england fan and I saw how when Saka was subbed, Eng had practically no threat against france. With that being said, Why don't Southgate play Foden closer to Saka or maybe Jude and Foden in front of Rice.
Saka was the highest goalscorer for England at the world Cup in fact his record for England is second only to kane since he has been a part... His performance against France was so good the French journalist put him in the team of the world Cup... Saka has been lot more important for England and Arsenal than foden is to city and England
Foden is just Kai Havertz with Pep assistance.
When Pep leaves you’ll see Fodens career go down the drain
Phil should me in the mid, but its rice jude & james, so he's a sub for wither ska or attacking mid
Jude & Foden in front of Rice is far too attacking against a team as strong as France, would get totally overrun in midfield - though it's def an option against weaker teams.
@@NedTesconobody is overrunning that midfield three what are you smoking. That's one of the best midfield threes you can make, all three players absolutely elite £100m + and also rice can hold it together on his own he's that good at sniffing out danger and covering the ground. Who's France got in the middle that can compete with that?
Whoever you think is better, there should be no debate on who should start RW for England
Correct. Jesse lingard
And no debate who should be starting alongside Bellingham in the center
@@michaelboiteau9890 Jesse lingard has the potential but he is too young. he need more game time & experience to usurp Saka.
@@rzlb5 well he's in the u-12's right now so saka may be retired by the time he's old enough
The fact that this video was posted before the Newcastle match makes me wonder how high Saka's stats are now
Southgate HAS to start both in the Euros. With players like them, Kane, Bellingham and Rice, England have to be up there in the Euros...
Yeah but how can they both start with Henderson and Phillips already guaranteed spots?
@@tickubPhilips and hendo don't deserve their spots at the mo, trent needs to be playing every game
Nope, unless he plays lw, though eze a better shout there. Because midfield is rice, jude & James
England have to be up there in the Euros... Maguire - Hold my beer...
@@kurtsudheim825James?
I think you could make a whole video around who is the 3rd midfielder in englands lineup (Rice and Bellingham obviously being the first two). Should it be a box to box like Gallagher, Mainoo or Barkley? Or a 10 like Foden, Maddison or Eze? Or maybe you bring Trent into midfield… it’ll definitely be a difficult choice for Southgate but at least it now feels like we’ve got midfield options.
Good shout! I think it should be someone attacking so that rules Gallagher out. And even as an Arsenal fan, I rate Mainoo so highly but I think he should be rested for this tournament, slightly too early for him, Maddison maybe, if he can stay fit? Tough one
Great idea, I think for most games Southgate would opt for a Gallagher type and then in some games he would want Maddison/trent in there.
@@Ladtyuven223 I’m not sure Gallagher can be ruled out so easily, if I had it my way it’d be Foden or Maddison for sure but Southgate usually opts for a more conservative midfielder like Hendo or Phillips so I recon Gallagher will at least make the squad.
@@avncio77 I agree, I recon in the “easier” games he’d play a Maddison or Trent and in the tougher fixtures he’d play someone like Gallagher who does more running and will allow Bellingham more freedom
Mainoo? Based on what 3 games...
Saka started life in the Arsenal first team at left back (I think) and played 2 or 3 other positions as well - prior to finding his current home on the right. There's an argument that Foden is the overall more rounded player but it seems like a lot of people think of Saka as ONLY a winger and therefore only capable in that position when that's not the case.
He played as a wing-back and that's a similar position to a winger, he hasn't played centrally ever. While foden has played all 5 positions up-front
@@zubairatifSaka has played LB, LWB, LCM, LW, and RW 🤷🏿♂️
@@zubairatifstarted as a lb then moved to lwb under unai and moved to lwb when Mikel came in with a back 3
@@ehinowhen but the point is each each position Foden is better than him (apart from rw).
That's incorrect. Saka had a short stint at LCM when Arteta first arrived. He started there vs Man City as an 18-year-old and was one of the best players on the pitch. As Arsenal fans, we actually expect his longterm future to be as an interior because he plays his best football in the pockets & half-spaces.@@zubairatif
I always thoght Saka would be a world class 10. He was such a good decision maker even as a kid.
Absolutely think his football IQ is what underpins everything he does. There’s a lot of maturity to how he plays which leads to him usually making the right choice almost all the time when he has the ball.
Once he slows down with age I think that would be a lovely transition.
Like when Saka is in his mid 30s?@@UserName-sw4pm
The Man City fans won’t like this one
all both of them
It would be a problem if they had fans
@@uniquebloxxer7520yes is am still celebrating trible..🎉🎉🎉😂
Stat merchants can say whatever the hell they want the real ones will still rate Phil higher anyway
@@thereddevil6582football people can easily tell who’s better irrespective of stats I favour the eye test and I knows who’s better and he’s from Stockport.
Wait you reckon Foden is more a complete player because he can play on the wing and centrally but conveniently decided to ignore that since coming into the Arsenal team Saka has played and played well at RW, LB, RWB, CAM and LW
He thinks he can hide his tribalism
We haven’t seen Saka play at a high level anywhere other than RW. Foden has played at a high level on the LW, RW, False 9, and in midfield.
Has Saka played in any of those role for an extended amount of times at high level? Foden has played LW for the most of his early City career, has played False 9 in 20/21 season where he and City went on to the CL final, RW this season and his best output season and CAM also this season.
@@ammarbaagu yea your cooked bro saka played LB/LWB first 20 games and those positions played in europa league as a LW when PEPE was are right and LCM keep yapping tho
Tbh I think the fact that Saka has won England player of the year 2 years in a row whilst Phil Foden has also been in the team really does tip it for Saka. The only time they're in the same team and there is a clear winner.
So Saliba is worse than Upamecano?
@@emperorlordkhalid9227 Upamecano didn't win French player of the year over Saliba nor the other way round so it's not remotely the same
@chibmaniac2 Yes, but until now Upaamecano is a starter and Saliba is a bench player.
Kalvin Phillips has won the England player of the season that doesn't mean he is better than Rice.
@@samkkxhe's not arguing that the only reason saka is better is because of the back to back england poty win. It's one of the many reasons and the cherry on top if you'd say.
If we use your logic every single stat can be thrown away if there is even 1 thing that slightly contradicts it. Contradiction isn't proof
@@chibmaniac2 So your swayed by awards based on other people's opinions? What do you think player of the yera shouldn't matter use your own brain.
4:58 - I did NOT expect that stat, holy hell.
Don't see why not, City pass it around themselves for 80 minutes and only have to actually try for about 10
@@Ahsf56they can’t defend that’s y they keep the ball
@@04foreverinvincible69they defend by keeping the ball
4:58 is at the end of looking at Phil, are you taking about that or are you early for the one that shows both players?
@@Ahsf56 So why is Grealish's so much higher then?
People’s tribalism on full display here 😂 let’s just appreciate that we have two world class forwards in our England team who both excel at different things.
Indeed. They are both world class imo, and I am a gunner.
That’s the problem. People don’t want to admit Saka is world class, they inflate his competitors and diminish him. I don’t think either are world class just yet but they’re both knocking, and if Foden is then Saka certainly is
@@benedictharrison2819 warra world class performance from Saka against the worst team in the champions league🔥🔥🔥
@@benedictharrison2819neither are world class mate. That word is thrown so loosely now.
Porto aint the worst team, their UCL specialists and nearly beat Inter last year who were the finalists, their really good in the UCL@@Markyy____
They're both phenomenal! I think Foden is the better 'technical' footballer and its a shame for him that he's compared to such a talent like Saka despite largely playing in a position and in a team that doesn't quite allow him to shine in the way I think he certainly could. Foden's performances in a central position this season are the best example of how unplayable he is, and has been in those spaces
Saka had been a little disrespected too for the fact he's been this effective, consistent and invaluable for such a long time in his young Arsenal and England career, yet only recently those Arsenal fans that called him phenomenal or 'World Class' ;) are finally vindicated
This is an incredible generation of England talent. I just hope it isn't squandered by overly cautious play from Southgate. I think England have every right to go into this thinking and playing like they're the best team in the competition
Historically talented England generation for sure!
I think the thing with Saka is that he is very much a modern era player. He passes it around nicely, he tracks back, and often chips in with goals and assists through the system Arsenal play with lots of 1-2’s and cutbacks, but I watch him and sometimes he feels like a robot. Whereas Foden often plays more freely, with more flair and it’s more exciting to watch in a way. So I feel like it’s often your perspective on football and what you like from a player.
@@benlane7282this is exactly it. Saka will be a manager's dream - his biggest strengths are things like decision making. His dribbling isn't special, neither is his ball-striking or passing. He just makes the right decision so often, and works for the team really well. Similar to Mason Mount in that sense.
@@cogitoy7692how can you make the right decisions without being a very good passer and shooter ? How is he then so efficient? Try again
@@lukeo7598 He's good - maybe even very good - at those things. However, when you watch his play do you see him making passes or shots that are particularly difficult? It's not a slight against him, it's just a reality.
@@cogitoy7692 His dribbling is pretty special I'd say, he's not tricky and doesn't pull off extravagant skills, but he's a very effective dribbler and ball carrier. I'd say that's his strongest attribute. He's very, very good in 1v1s, which is why teams often put 3 men on him. I agree his ball striking or passing isn't amazing though. Foden is a better technical footballer, a more elegant player. But as the stats show, Saka is the more effective footballer. Not just in terms of goals and assists but in terms of overall impact he has on the game, how dangerous he is. It's also worth noting Saka is physically a bit of a beast, his strength and balance for a player of his stature is Messi/Hazard-esque, it's so hard to knock him off the ball.
I get what people are saying, I always preferred ESR to Saka when they were just breaking into the team. ESR is just more fluid and better to watch. His first touch and ball control is miles ahead of Saka for instance, but as an overall player just isn't close to as good.
Jesus the porn bots are getting silly now.
Its wild
Bukayoooooo, Saka, running down the wing, Saka 🧡
Great analysis good sir! You have earned yourself another follower 🎉 looking forward to seeing your content, it is much appreciated 🙌🏼
Passes into the penalty area is a rubbish thing to judge them on. Tactical ignorance to suggest that Foden having fewer than lots of players is somwhow a failing. If he started spamming balls into the box to push this metric he'd find himself benched as Pep very obviously doesn't want that.
Or maybe foden doesn't have the vision?
@@JohnSmith-qf9cxHe follows instructions for the good of the team. Foden under Pep will never score highly on these sorts of metrics. People slam Grealish over his stats but he was an important player in a treble winning team. Slowing the game and going backwards doesn't have the stat lovers frothing but it is important. Players who don't get that don't last at City.
"spamming balls into the box" Jesus Christ. You're right though judging an attacking player by a metric which tracks what they are actually supposed to do is clearly stupid
Yeah, it’s obviously completely unimportant to be able to play a high volume of passes into the area from which most goals get scored.
Idk who comparing them maybe few years ago Foden was the better player but now Saka is Clear
This is Foden best season ever and number wise Saka still beat him
Saka's a year younger too
Does Saka still beat him? Foden has more non-penalty G/A. Saka also takes most of Arsenal’s corners.
@@Sproles11 Phil must do better
thats phils fault lmfao. Also foden has the best team itw so it dont really matter do it@@Sproles11
Another stat fan who doesn't actually watch the game. It's criminal that people call a meh winger with no pace、stumbles on the ball,rarely actually beat a defender better than foden
Is the caveat around saka being relied on for creativity for his team more than foden even true this season? With KDB being injured for most of the season I’d argue Foden has had just as much responsibility
Saka has been more creative this season
@@shrisiva4016 yeah that was my thought tbh
@tspcontent4630 when KDB was out injured, that definitely should've been Fodens time to shine. But the amount of games that they didn't win is telling!
@@MoMu00are you suggesting that he wasn’t shining?
All this video showed me is Cole Palmer should be in the squad
They are just phenomenal to watch. People try and make comparisons of who’s better etc… just enjoy ‘em man
There's 3 years of evidence James....
And Saka's over a year younger.
Its a no contest for me. Always has been. Salah is the only one I care about.
@@Never_Wr0nghe’s 2 years younger than foden
Is 2 over 1?
@@michaelgoldsmith9359 🤣 It's okay. That just makes Saka look better.
@@Never_Wr0ngyour another deluded arsenal fan. Pipe down muppet
Why not Play both, both should start
Yes Arteta should give a chance to Foden to prove himself capable of getting that progressive passes to a new level
@@alexcoyg3281Honestly would be really good buy for Arsenal if it can be pulled off, unlikely tho
Foden the biggest Pep product ever.
Over who? Ska is rw, midfield is rice, jude & James
@@kurtsudheim825 I think you could argue Jude and Rice in CM box to box with Rice more defensive minded and Bellingham more attacking With foden as the CAM position
you could also intro CAM moving to RAM and Belllingham at LAM to create a Box up front when the ball is on a wing play attacking transition then rotating as needed because it allows for a lot more fluency and utilisation of different skillsets
Saka is better by quite a distance. Foden couldn't have carried that struggling Arsenal team the way Saka did a few years ago.
I think it's important that whenever the question is asked 'which/who is better' that we qualify it with 'better at what?'. You nailed that with the central/right-side criteria.
Foden is good. But Saka is a bit better. I like both, and if England can, they should find a way to start both coz they are menaces.
Focus on your dying palestine
Like how half the arguments in the comments for why Foden is better is "nah Foden's better!" and the other half is just excuses for Saka having better stats. Real mature guys
All I want is for people to actually understand that if Foden is world class then Saka's 100% world class. My problem is people are still finding some little excuse for Saka not being world class but are incredibly lenient on Foden, Foden barely fits any categories for being world class but people are chill with it, meanwhile Saka fits every category and more and people treat him like dog shit on someone's shoe.
Rio's excuse was he hasn't scored in a knockout Champions league game, even though we all know Saka's not even had the opportunity. That's one category he doesn't fit, meanwhile he fits every other category for being world class, Foden doesn't. That's why it's so frustrating
We just want our players respected
Saka fails the eye test, it's that simple
Tell me u don't watch the games without telling me u don't watch the games
Ok, if we are gonna ignore that they different types of players, foden has more flair so catches the eye more, but Saka is simply more effective, he has more end product, if you want a player who looks pretty on the ball then foden, if you want a player who produces what is important in the game, then it's saka
This debate was honestly so stupid. The best comparison would be Foden and Xavi Simons, they are literally identical players and then compare Saka and Salah. Much closer debates
James, sometimes I think you don't know what you're talking about. Foden is great and even better at some things than Saka, but he is not more complete than Saka. Remind of the time Foden played leftback? Also, Saka has always been left CM/LW. Arteta moved him to the rught hand side, and he learned a whole new position in the past 2 years and is still better than Foden. You also forget the mentality and fitness, which are the most important tools in a footballer's locker. Saka has carried Arsenal from 8th to a title contender, Foden is yet to carry himself through a full season.
Bro… he said Saka is better.
Love them BOTH, as an Arsenal fan. Am very happy they play for England!!!
This video needs an apology update
Such a well put together answer.
Shocked that James is against a City player
Remember when Foden got subbed on, England got a red card, then he got Subbed of
Saka played the whole game…
Pep product that PEPDEN
Per 90.
Last season Foden's PPA: 1.80 Saka's PPA: 1.87
Last Season Crosses into Pen Area Foden: 0.44 Saka: 0.34
Last season Foden's PPR: 13.4 Saka's PPR: 14.7
Hardly any difference.
Foden has had months of not having a target man in Haaland in the box and playing centrally on the final line of a 4 in attack taking the ball off Rodri close because KDB was injured. Also playing all over the midfield instead of the one position Saka did out wide.
Saka has had multiple underlapping box runners in Ben White, Odeegard, Trossard, Havertz that he passes too from wide outside the box.
This is just context, both are very good players but saying one "blows the other out of the water" is crazy without it.
I hear what you’re saying, but Foden has not had months without a target man- there is some sort of myth that haaland has been out for a while when he’s played 20/25 games. Also, does this not just show that Saka is improving year by year, as you would expect him to being as young as he is. I think in certain areas Saka blows all other English wingers out the water so it’s not an attack on Foden, but Saka has to start on the right. Foden can be used centrally or on the left if needed. Saka starts on the right for any country in Europe so you’d be silly not to have him here
Saka has never had a target man so im not sure what your argument here is. Jesus is hardly a target man as he is never in the box and has been out injured for far longer than haaland anyway. Havertz has only played 2 games as striker all season. Trossard is not a target man either
@@Football_Advanced I mean this isn't about starting Saka on the right or not. He is as definite a starter as Kane is for England and is improving. All this is doing is trying to provide context to numbers instead of saying how JLA is putting it "Saka blows Foden out of the water".
But he has also gone months without Haaland theyve only started 17 together and in the case of not having Haaland doesn't have box runners. Having 8 games without that can bring down averages a lot.
@@sharkfinn7234 I don't think you're understanding the point. Target man vs Box runners. City uses one, Arsenal use the other and they both result in passes in the penalty area. If you don't get that point then you won't understand the point im making. Why does Jesus' injury have any relevance lol?
@@Nightsucity also uses box runners?
Saka should be starting RW for England, there's no doubt about that. The question is whether you fit Foden in the team with him, which I think you should - he's just too good to leave out. I've always said we should be moving to a more modern attacking system with Rice as a lone #6, Bellingham & Foden as #8/#10s in front of him. All are capable of playing those positions. People will say it's too attacking or lacking balance, but the reality if it was Pep, Arteta, Klopp etc - that's the midfield 3 they'd be playing. All are more than capable of playing those roles, it would be an insane midfield, but I just don't see it ever happening under Southgate. It's a shame because the position we have most depth in is attacking midfield - you'd also have Maddison, Palmer, Eze & Grealish that can all play there to a high level and yet Southgate will only play one of them (Bellingham). Instead he opts for far inferior players such as Henderson and Kalvin Phillips. Imagine that, effectively benching Foden for Kalvin Fucking Phillips.
The only realistic way to get Foden and Saka into the same team with Southgate in charge is if Foden plays off the left, which I'm not really sure suits him with the way England plays, but it's basically the only way you can make it work. Right now he's surely ahead of the likes of Grealish, Rashford & Sterling for that position. We've seen Southgate play Maddison at LW in the past too, so I can see him doing the same with Foden. Basically the best we can hope for is this
Kane
Foden-Bellingham-Saka
Rice-Trent
Shaw-Tomori-Stones-Walker
Pickford
Even that is very optimistic that Southgate drops Maguire.
Very nice.
Foden has only ever let me down in fantasy football. Saka has always done me proud. Final straw was replacing Saka who had a single game for Foden who had two games - Saka got three times as many points in a single game week than Foden did in two. Years of Foden letting me down and I won’t have him ever again now
Also Foden is clearly an intelligent player but completely thick. Saka is intelligent on and off the pitch. I think someone needs to have more than just football intelligence to get to the very elite eg De Bruyne and Kompany clearly World Class and two very intelligent people
1:46 left out number 1, ødegaaard😂
Its like comparing a TV and a fridge, both are appliances but with different purpose
and sakas a year younger too
this is all dependent on how the manager has directed the team to play, especially Pep who forces his way and his way only, so some comparisons seem a bit futile
Great video James. Both exceptional players. Saka is the better player for me (bias included) but both should start for England nonetheless.
Foden passes the eye test but when it comes down simply to who gets the job done it's Saka. Do you want a pretty player or an efficient one. Honestly, you can't go wrong with either but Saka takes it in my opinion
Anything stopping Foden being the right 10 and Jude being the LCM with Rice CDM?
As a fan of neither player's team, if i had the choice of only picking one of them then it's Saka, numbers never lie, however there definitely should be a strong argument for starting them both in the Euros.
Do a comparison of Saka vs Vinicius. Over the past 4 league seasons they're unbelievablely similar with almost identical goal contributions per game.
I'm sick of everyone labeling him as world class because hes flashy and plays for Real. If Saka isn't world class then neither is Vinicius
What team do you support?
As an arsenal fan, i love how clinical foden is. His shot accuracy is insane. However he often comes off the bench and is down the opposition team's list of priorities on who to mark. Saka plays the full 90 week in week out and is marked by 2-3 defenders all game
Foden has started 23 league games this season
Yeah this narrative foden doesn't start games is just wrong. He's started 28 of 31 games across the prem and champions league this season. He has a higher percentage of games started than bernardo
@@MarsllamaSaka plays far more minutes
@@shrisiva4016 If Saka's not playing on the right for Arsenal, who is? Easy to play every minute when you've got no competition.
Foden is literally citys most played player. What a bad take
As an arsenal I can see the excitement behind Foden but he is simply incomparable to saka he just more flair
saka is definitely a better right winger than foden. Foden's best perfomances have come from foden driving into the midfield. In terms of progressive carries and balls into penalty area the difference all comes from how both teams with arsenal being a more direct team and mancity always looking for the right time when the opening comes. Can't remember the number of times i've seen a backpass and being annoyed.
Some of the highlighted points are a bit misleading.
Foden is a midfielder that is moved around due to his versatility to accommodate others lack of versatility (similar to Bernardo Silva).
Whilst Saka is a wide-forward that has a nailed on position due to the Arsenal set-up.
So certain stats will favour Saka, due to his consistent role that leads to him not needing to adapt and change movements to play into a changed line-up and position. What Foden is asked to do constantly moves, and is highlighted through his seasonal heat map.
You can absolutely play both for England, but Foden is overall the better player.
Plus, you should have a midfield of Bellingham, Foden and Rice, as with the arrival of Mbappe, Bellingham will revert back to his box-to-box style, like at Dortmund.
Yeah one thing that doesn’t get touched upon is that fact that since Saka plays the same position every week and 9 times out of 10 he has the same players around him, they’ll naturally create patterns of attacking play which Foden won’t have to the same extent. If Foden was consistently the number 10 for any side he’d flourish even more in my opinion.
I also like your logic with Bellingham reverting to being more of a box to box after Mbappe’s arrival. A midfield with Rice Bellingham and Foden has ridiculous potential. That said I have a pretty strong feeling Southgate will start Gallagher over Foden in the Euros and play Bellingham as the 10
Foden is called a midfielder when he’s shown to be worse than Saka. and after one good game the ‘better winger than saka’ shouts start up again. can’t have it both ways
Saka can play other positions, hes played LB, LW, LCM and I see him playing RCM in the future. Foden fools casual fans because hes aesthetically pleasing to watch, he's naturally more technically talented but that doesnt make him a better player.
Saka excels at in game stats versus Foden, - progressive passing, progressive runs, duels won, tackles etc. Hes stronger, better at defending, better work rate, better decision making. Hes so strong, he bodies players like Konate and Rice (last season) that are twice the size of him.
This is what coaches and managers see that casuals dont.
@@tesseract_uk I’m not having it both ways… I’m saying he’s a midfielder.
If you want to complain about others takes, reply to their stuff.
@@alzer6467 Saka hasn’t played anywhere other than the right side since the 18th November 2021.
He isn’t versatile, as a young player he was finding his role in the squad. Now, similar to Salah, he is defined by position and doesn’t move from that box.
Also, like I stated, those stats are amplified due to his fixed role. If you have someone running the same patterns constantly, their ability to complete that function in the team gets better (the whole 10,000 hours thing).
If you’re changing that role and position, numbers fluctuate, as one minute Foden is taking the ball off of CB’s and the next is a second striker with Haaland, so something like ‘carries’ are lowered the higher up the pitch you are.
What was the success rate of these stats?
Southgate should play Kane up front with Bellingham as a false 9 slotting behind Kane. Saka on the right with Foden in the middle, Rashford on the left and Rice as the holding midfielder
It's harder to get impressive individual numbers when you have so many world class teammates that you're basically just another brick in the wall. That's why Foden is underrated. The fact you're even making this comparison despite the fact Foden isn't even a top 3 player for Man City just shows how special Foden is (especially his versatility). Saka is easy to tell he's a protagonist for his team, not so much for Foden.
The 4:58 screen is precisely what I thought from this video. If even Grealish and Sterling both eclipse Foden, and we all know Grealish and Sterling are objectively inferior when compared to Foden, what exactly makes you think this stat is any good at comparing players's abilities? All of these stats depend on so many variants that it's hard to take the comparison seriously.
With that being said, I have no problem with Saka being considered better, as I'm no Man City fan nor a Foden fanboy. But trying to bring the NBA/American sports mindset to football isn't the way imo. I love analyzing sports with stats, but not for cherrypicked ones.
You can go right now to Football Reference and find multiple players ahead of Haaland in offensive stats. Are those players better than the best goal scorer in the world because of those (and remember Haaland has been scoring 1 goal per game for years now, it's not just Man City privilege)? I mean, some stats make sense, like how many times a player wins a duel in the air, because you either win an areal duel or you lose, but these cherrypicked ones won't ever tell the whole story. They show about players's tendencies given their current roles and that's it. Anything more than that requires way more context.
Bruh the fact that Saka has LB experience shows he’s the more complete player cos saka can play everywhere foden can but we’ve never seen foden play at the back
Brilliant video
I feel like the systems they play in affect these stats too much to accurately compare them
At the end of the season that Mount left Chelsea, 22-23, him and Foden had the same number of goals and assists in the same number of Premier League appearances. Foden playing for one of the best teams and managers of the Prem era as a more attacking player. He is a great player don't get me wrong but what Saka has done in that Arsenal team is far more impressive.
Ah yes because Arteta plays a very defensive style
And what has saka done? Saka wouldn't even start at city
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This makes absolutely no sense
@@stevem9529yah right! The same way Foden wouldnt start at England! 😅
Foden and saka are two different profiles so they're star boys in their on position for both club and country
As an Arsenal and England fan, thank you
Saka is always the outlet ball got arsenal especially on the break. Man city are already high up the pitch so foden is receiving back passes as well as forward passes. Thats why Sakas numbers are higher, if you think Foden cant receive progressive passes on the half turn as well as Saka, you just dont watch football
That Goals and Assists table from the beginning of the video just shows how much of a freak Alan Shearer was, to be the only 90s player on the list twice.
Foden is better than Saka for sure he is Magic
Great breakdown James 🔥🔥
I think the fact that this season Saka has not been at his best while Foden is having a good season and is still behind Saka
I'd say perceived not to be at his best.
@@stevefrench3640 I'm sorry but that's just not true (Saka stat padding against small teams). He's only 22 and has scored important goals from open play against all the big 6 teams. Until this season there was also stat the that all his goals were either to put Arsenal ahead or bring them level. This year he's scored 5 goals against top half teams of which one was a penalty vs West Ham (he also scored from open play in this game).
On the other hand, outside of Utd and Tottenham, Foden's goals have all been against bottom 7 opposition and he has started 26/28 of his appearances completing 90 mins on 21 occasions.
I like Foden and don't really care for the comparison debate but what you've said here is plainly false.
@@stevefrench3640 you can look it up, wouldn't have been a statistic worth mentinong if it wasn't hard to believe (it was at least true until late last season).
You may not support city but you're clearly not being objective here. You dismiss Bukayo's goal against Liverpool as a trap-in then talk about Foden's tap in against Utd at Old Trafford. You dismiss goals against West Ham and Newcastle then talk up a double against a Utd team who've been pumped by the likes of Newcastle and Copenhagen. I personallyd don't discount these goals / performances from either player but, again, where's the consistancy here?
Bukayo's continually come in clutch for Arsenal with top performances, goals and assists throughout his short career (inc winners and levelers, at the time of scoring, from open play against Utd, Spurs and City) without him Arsenal don't compete over the last two years. Admittedly his performances have fluctuated this season as he's been managing tendonitus in his achilles but that's been the exception in his short career - he's always performed consistently against all opposition for club and country - but he still makes the difference week in week out.
The stats and records in big games are do indicate very positivly for Saka, though again I'm not interested in the comparison, I just don't know why there's an interest in diminishing/mischaracterising the achievements of a 22 yr old, 2 time english POY winner in order to praise another young player?
@@stevefrench3640 It wouldn't be a stat worth highlighting if it wasn't hard to believe but it certainly was true until late last season.
I appreciate you're not a City fan but your framing of both players records do indicate you're not impartial. You dismiss Saka's goal vs Liverpool (an important goal in the title race) as a lucky tap-in but speak about Foden's 3 yard tap-in against a very weak Utd as evidence of goals in big games. You dismiss goals an performances against Necastle, West Ham and Wolves because they're weaker opponents and than talk up performances against Brentford and Utd who've been pumped by the likes of Copenhagen and Newcastle. "The flukey" Chelsea cross was an assist, not a goal - Gabriel Magalhaes scored that.
I never indicated Wolves, West Ham or Newcastle were "big games" - in case that's what you're inferring - I was referring to "big games" against top six opposition throughout his short career (he's scored from open play against all of them and consistently performed against all of them). People who don't like/rate Saka have waited until this season to try and discredit him on the merit of his performances. Admittedly he has lost his spring and ability to beat his man as well as not covering as much ground this year but it's well documented he's been managing tendonitis in his Achilles and recently has had to manage his minutes also. Even with this he still makes the difference on a weekly basis). In all his other season's he's been incredibly consistent in his performances for club and country winning England National team POY twice on merit.
If you don't like the way he plays or your eyes aren't drawn to his skill set that's fine, but all his metrics (goals and assists apart) put him amongst the best in his position and his influence on the game is clear, I think you'd have to try really hard to argue otherwise.
I like both players and the way they play but it's okay for you to have a different perspective I just don't understand the desire to discredit Saka's achievements/ abilities. He's clearly one of the best young talents England have had in a long time.
I have to admit as Arsenal fan, when we score 5 or 6 goals Arteta want to stop scoring more goals by substituting Saka.
He is that important.
They both need to play, just play your best players, even if they’re out of position a little bit.
Shouldn't Foden be compared to someone who plays AM? If you look at statts as a RW, it's not even close. Unless you're conveniently looking at the last 6 months. Even then, Saka wins.
I prefer Folden. I think he's better on the ball
Everyone acknowledges pep asks wingers to be as wide as possible. And when he’s not playing wing he’s playing as a centre forward to finish chances
The bad thing with this new era of football is the use of stats when we eyes see. Ronaldinho never had amazing stats but no one will say he wasn't spectacular. Neymar may even have better stats than Ronaldinho, does it make him better?
bro saka can play left back he is the complete player
fuck it England should play the Girona System just flipped to overload on the left. Let TAA Roam into that right half-space, Bellingham and Foden as the 8s that play high up the pitch with Grealish and Saka on the wings, Harry Kane Up top, Declan Rice in that Aleix Garcia role protecting the back line, John Stones in at that roaming RCB Daley Blind-type role, with Levi Colwill at LCB and Luke Shawn in that defensive LB role forming a back 3 with the LCB and the CDM.
me and a close friend of mine have long been saying that Saka and Foden need to play TOGETHER for England. Saka right and Foden in the middle and England are unplayable imo
what on Earth does "Pound for Pound most effective", mean when applied to a national team! Assumed monetary value just doesn't figure into selection.
I don't know why they are being compared tbh, one is a winger, the other a CAM, Odegaard vs Foden would be a more accurate comparison
Came here thanks to Football Meta, wasn't disappointed. Regarding these two, even as an Arsenal fan I absolutely rate Foden. I think he's a brilliant footballer. What most impresses me about him, is that even within a team of superstars and hardcore winners he'll have days when he seemingly wins matches all by himself. Reminds me of Travolta in Saturday Night Fever: "Look out, give the kid some room, he's taking over again!"
I dont think anyone is thinking Foden should start on the right. This does feel like comparing apples and Oranges - especially when all the stats used are misleading. Yeah Saka does receive more progressive passes, but Keane Lewis Potter is ahead of Foden. They mean little if theyre not contextualised.
England have insane depth in some areas and that is great. Yes it is a task to try and get them all in and gel, but Foden and Saka are not competing against each other.
Bellingham Rice double pivot and Foden at 10. Bellingham is a great box to box option, qnd has begun playing there more for Madrid. He was a 10 to the start the season because they lack attacking options but i think he is better further back where he is involved in more things.
These stats greatly depends on the team they are playing for. If you compare progressive passes recived stats for G. Jesus at Arsenal it's 8.36 thi season but if you compare it to City's 17/18 season he only had 1.83 progressive passes recived that's a huge difference.
Let’s just be happy England has both of these stars
They’re different players, I think saka is better as a winger and 1v1 attack but foden is probably more technically, can play a bit more central or deeper wing midfield, both very versatile as saka has played fullback as well, with these 2 we have another golden generation coming
Watching this after porto match hurts😔
its silly to compare an attacking midfielder who doesn't take penalties to a winger who takes them
The comparisons between the players is silly, 2 different positions. Foden is an absolute elite baller. Saka is a 1-man right wing dynamo. As an Arsenal fan, I'm more than happy we have Saka, so good, so consistent and so strong. Both players will only get better.
Rio Ferdinand knew what he was doing.😅
Foden vs. Saka? Last year, it was Rashford vs. Saka. Next year another random English player with a good run of form vs. Saka. This is not even funny now...
I’ve always said about Saka that he’s not particularly physically or technically gifted. Maybe this is controversial, but I think Foden is better at every physical and technical offensive aspect of the game. Pace, dribbling, passing, shooting, finishing, agility, balance, etc. However, what makes Saka so good is his intelligence, teamwork (and his understanding of his teammates, as mentioned in this video), and ESPECIALLY his decision making. He has all 3 of these things in abundance as if he has the experience of a 35 year old. He doesn’t need to be the quickest or as technically gifted as some if he has near perfect decision making. Like imagine giving Adama Traore near perfect decision making, he’d probably be the best winger in the world LMAO. Not to say that Saka isn’t quick or technically gifted, he definitely is, just not in comparison to some other wingers who aren’t as good as him imo.
In terms of who starts for England, I think both of them do? Maybe I’m forgetting someone, but I believe our LW options are Rashford, Sterling, or Grealish. I think Foden is way better than all 3 of them on current form. Him playing LW then allows Maddison, Mainoo, or Ward-Prowse to play in midfield with Rice and Bellingham as well. Not a bad team.
We watch football with our eyes
saka has taken his game to next level.now he is learning to save energy instead of running around like a kid ....this what great players do, seen messi walk around like he doesnt care and then bang full power mode. i would love more freedom for saka and martinelli so they switched position
England has such an INSANE squad
Araujo vs saliba ?
Musiala vs wirtz ?
Watkins vs toney ?
Just some ideas
Oh sowwy, I didn't know a 'Stat Trophy' existed?! 🤓😂
Just going by the stats, this comparison is incorrect. There is a massive difference in how the RWs play for their teams. For examplr, progressive passes received. Arteta wants Saka hugging the touchline, which stretches the defense. Arsenal create a central overload, pulling opposition full backs in so Saka goes unmarked and is the outlet of the pass. City play a more controlled and rotational game where progressive passes are shared and the passing points become different.
Foden doesn't pass into penalty area as man city play different you can't directly compare as different positions in different formations they both need to be in the team Foden in the middle
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Salah 6th after first attempt, as a winger !
trent and rice double pivot with jude 10 vs rice and jude with maddison in the 10 (or foden)