Also another point is that she effectively makes at least 30+ champions useless and is the only champion capable of that. So by picking fiora you basically ban half toplaners. Very cool Riot
@@franconunez925 And Tryndamere has to perma ban Malphite/Jax? Just because someone counters someone, doesn't mean they're broken. I'm 100% on the side of she's broken, but, that's not a valid argument.
Hey guys, Sion main here If fiora likes parrying your Q, remember that you can hold the second stunning part for a whole second while the parry only holds for .75 of a second. As such switch between slamming the axe down immediately and waiting for her to parry early. You'll know you're screwed if the fiora goes without parrying your Q and just dashes out immediately.
you can also hold just long enough to stun then walk sideways to dodge the W, since it has a cast time(and if she casts W before the stun timer, you can hold it till its finished)
YES YES! As a Sion main I can relate. You can play mind games with Fiora's parry, normally they will parry you at 1 full second and just keep charging the axe. Next time you do it you do a swift swing and then just keep that pace and she will most likely not parry your Q. Rush thornmail, try not to take as many free Q, if you see the marker in front of you, just back off to reset it and come back. You can win against her in early. Mid game she becomes a natural tank killer. The catch is to stall her, which you can easily do. Then if you jungler comes to help, you can easily kill her by stunning her. In TFs she WONT have more utility than you. Finally, as good as HP items are for Sion, against Fiora I would either Ice gauntlet or Jaksho for extended trades.
There's this one memory burned in my mind about the time I went nasus against fiora in solo q. I was obviously fearing for my life until I beat her a couple of times. Then she spoke in all chat saying how my champ is broken for having high health and vamp for free. I have never laughed so hard in a single game of my life.
It is hilarious when someone complains about your champ when they're playing a more ridiculous one just because you've outplayed them. I main Urgot and that happens to me quite often when I stomp Illaois, even against good Illaoi players as long as I play safe and patient I either outscale them or they start making mistakes out of frustration, one over-ambitious E while in a bad position and you can really punish her. Then comes the "wtf is that champ" when they get meat grinded :) I can sympathise with that Fiora though tbf, I don't think he's broken or anything but he's incredibly frustrating to face, really hope he gets adjusted to be a bit more modern sometime
@@99temporal he is correct tho. Rank 5 Wither is basically a 5 seconds stune for auto attackers and a root for spell casters. What do you think why after the W buff Riot did a year ago or so Korean SoloQ and ProPlay started to spam Nasus support with W max till they figured out that in return they have to spam Heimerdinger and Zyra.
@@bohomazdesign725 and yet Nasus top has a 51% wr and Nasus sup has a 40% winrate Fiora's W is literally a better Nasus W for the majority of the game, since until Nasus starts putting points in it, fiora W slows for more, slows more attack speed AND BLOCKS ALL DAMAGE while she's casting Fiora W attack speed slow is equal to a lvl 3 Nasus slows, without her having to spend points in it
Its not even a quick time event. You can parry too late or too soon and still hit the stun because of Riot servers. Since when failing a quick time event in games gave you a bonus?
@Alry FireBlade which is pure luck. Ss have no cast time or animation. So it's either luck, guessing game, or knowing they only need 2 more aa's and you know they have ignite up so educated guess.
My favorite moment of the Fiora mains subreddit was when a top Fiora player did an AMA, and every main in that subreddit was shocked to hear that she was broken. They like to pretend that their champ is purely high risk high reward when in reality, she's low risk, high reward considering her strengths and versatility. When played well you get shat on with little counterplay other than to respect her in lane and still get outscaled anyways. If played poorly, she can choose to play passively with no risk to herself, sidelane all game quite effectively and destroy towers fast with her empowered autos and resets and then still tank your hp once she has 2 items under her belt.
She’s ridiculously strong. I’m a support main who has never played PC LOL, but yesterday I got my first pentakill during an ARAM game on Wild Rift using Fiora. I’ve only used her twice before (also during ARAM), but getting the pentakill was surprisingly easy?? I ate a fair amount of damage from the enemy Kassadin, but I still managed to kill his team before duelling him. Felt bad about bulldozing the enemy team after, because what *can* you do against a fed Fiora? ;-; Edit: not to mention how much stuff she can parry with riposte. I completely negated the enemy Fizz’s ultimate at least twice during the match. How is it fair for a basic ability to counter an ultimate?? Gwen’s hallowed mist and Yasuo’s wind wall have same problem of being basic abilities which can completely nullify other champions’ ultimates.
@@selinaliu5948 i have also witnessed an ARAM pentakill by a fiora who admitted to never playing fiora before. "hard to play" is not that much of an argument
@@d4s0n282 she’s nothing like Irelia, irelia is way harder to pilot, has a far worse mu spread, and gets giga fucked by tanks (the complete opposite of fio besides Malphite)
@@Roach2137 why, because what I said is true? If anything is cancer about Fiora in lategame, it's not the ""OP"" max hp true dmg. It's her splitpushing power. she does about 30% true dmg throughout the whole game, it's plenty but it's not 100% as people make it out to be and building armor works against her for the most part.
She's not useless when behind, as soon as she gets Divine Sunderer she's ahead, even if you have 2+ items, that's just it, to nerf all the toxic and broken counter pick champs in toplane you just have to remove Divine...
It sucks because there also cool items. Something I've noticed though, is that Riot has removed nearly all activatables in the game. Bork used to be an Activated Item, so you had to choose when you needed to use it, making it a more skill-based decision rather than automatic. Personally, I think its lame that Riot has moved into nearly every Item being a Passive activation; its removed a lot of interesting items that I really enjoyed using.
Yeah that tanky part is so bullshit. Like she actually used to be squishy. But now after Item rework and Durability patch? That bitch is tanky as hell.
I think it's really funny in the K'sante gameplay trailer when Fiora tanks like 8 tower shots, misses half her abilities and STILL almost fucking wins. I personally think her Q should have like a 12 second CD at max rank but reduce it's cooldown like evolved Kai'sa W if she hits a vital. This allows her to keep her absurd sticking power, but makes it so she doesn't have a massive dash on a 2 second CD making catching her basically impossible.
Fiora is by far my most played champion. With that said, I acknowledge her design is an absolute nightmare. With the exception of bramble+tabi as well as a few horrible matchups, she has more upside than most champions. The reason everyone plays her is simple: If the Fiora plays better (sometimes “better” means perfect), she wins. She is one of the only champions where it isn’t about playing better than her; it’s about hoping she plays worse than you. Her astronomical skill ceiling comes from the very fact that you are at the mercy of whether or not the Fiora you’re up against is better. I can’t think of any other champs where, at nearly every point in the game, you are at the mercy of how THEY play rather than the street going both ways. That’s the fancy way to say she gets to “remove counterplay” as many people clamor. Sure, she gets to “remove counterplay” but I wish more people would appreciate how immensely difficult it is to pilot her in a way that is as oppressive as people make her out to be. It’s privilege that needs to be very decisively earned.
As a Fiora onetrick I gotta agree on all of your points. I started playing her because the first skin i got was soaring sword fiora and i loved it, didnt know the champ was so good back then.
Actually very good analogy. Thought I'd argue the meta never favours having two rocks. Taking a comp that counters a fiora 9 times out of 10 will leave you open to getting counterpicked in more lanes.
@@taylorwilson6655 just saw another video about a toplane champ "just ask your jungle and shut her down pre six" yeah. by that logic everychamp can be countered just come with more champs.
With that precision and confidence you have when you talk about game design, you should really make some "How to fix..." videos or something like this where you imagine and give ideas that could improve the game (Even new champion designs why not).
honestly a lot of his proposed fixes when he talks about certain champs is a good show he isn't the best voice in that regard. He declared that hearsteel was broken when it is rarely run and has never been changed. Further his takes on fixing kled are sickening as a kled main. His suggestion of making W a normal ability is horrible and would lead to kled needing massive numbers nerfs in exchange for him never losing a single trade. Laning vs him would be a hide under turret until 3 items game and that would be downright miserable.
I think another important thing is that her scaling is not really conditional. Like if you look at the best scaling toplaners for example, Nasus is useless late game if the enemy has cc and your team doesn't, Kayle scales a lot worse if the enemys outrange her or have a lot of cc. But Fiora doesn't have that which is really unique
Nasus can be cc and kited, Kayle is a glass cannon she get more than 1 sec of CC she would waste her flash and R, fiora will use her W parry all shit and slow u down and take a lot of ur AS
False, Fiora has two major flaws. The first one is that even though she escales well in late game SHE DEPENDS A LOT ON THE MARKERS. She also loses ultra hard against real late game threats like Yi, Jax or Trynda. There is no way you are soloing them. Just to tell you, Yi is inmune to her counter slow and attackspeed slow. If there is a Leona or hard CC in the enemy team you are only countering one or 2 cc at most. It's not the enemy is gonna use all of their cc on you and you "W Biatch" no, that is not how real matches work. Once you CC fiora or interrupt her movement SHE DIES. It's the same principle as Irelia basically and unlike Irelia, Fiora can't stun you while she is stunned.
@@Yokai_Yuri First off her depending on markers doesn't make him weak against a class of champions. Markers aren't significantly harder to hit against one type of champion than another. Second I don't understand how her losing to Yi jax and Trynda 1v1 in the late game is a knock on her when literally every single champion loses to them. And third cc is a universal counterplay every champion (not named olaf) is countered by cc at different extends and Fiora gets countered less than normal because of her w. While other scaling champions such as Vlad, Kassadin, Kayle, Nasus get countered a lot more. Also her being 100% dead if she gets cc'd is just not true. With her building bruiser items she can survive for a long time and heal back to full in seconds. She also gets double tenacity in her runes and can even build merks, a luxury which most of the afro mentioned champions don't have. Then there is also the fact that she goes GA most games if they go far enough.
I would be fine if her passive either dealt Max HP Physical or just flat True dmg with no Max HP or scaling except levels. + She makes half the cast of top useless.
you literally have to ban her as a tank or a character with slow hard CC. In the footage used the multiple parries of a kled q kinda show how she can just remove certain characters.
@@greyser6007 Morde does well into Camille, and GP isn't that bad. The main problems for Morde currently are Fiora, Jax (broken, needs nerfs), Olaf (also broken) and Vayne.
I wouldn't mind champs like Fiora existing if other toplaners shared the same privileges she does. Top needs to be less of a matchup check than it is, and you shouldn't get put out of the game completely because of a bad matchup and an enemy jungle camping you. Top needs more agency.
"percent max health true damage obliviously have counters. it can obviously be mitigated by health regen and life steal. I don't care whether that not everyone have access to this but this is a counter to percent max health true damage and that is good enough to be the only counter against an ability that can proc very easily and have no cooldown" ------ modern champion designer from riot
basicly a vayne with max w can kill you in x shots, doesnt matter how tanky you are you die in x shots. imaging being a ultless malph vs a vayne. gg your 450 armor and 5k life means nothing.
If you think about it Champs that can deal max% hp true damage Always have an extra movement speed attached to their kit or dash No matter how you run or engage They can always close the gap or create a gap Just for them to fully deal that true dmg as they wish
Both champs you are mentioning are squishy short range autoattack champs. If they don't have the mobility that makes up for how squishy they are you create two useless champs.
I have a great topic for you: modern or yesterday power creep: New Asol rework strong or what not, it’s another topic but his new E and R2 just made all other scaling mages a joke, Riot has to buff each one of them to compensate, Azir Veigar and now Kayle. The recent other two mage reworks Taliyah and Syndra look like a joke in front of new Asol.
@@nishu4406 %max health true damage + dash + heal + can be completely invincible to everything for nearly an entire second and turn your CC against you within that time frame = "fair and balanced" champion
Fiora has been my permaban since her rework. Percent health true damage is a crime against game design in itself, but her parry is just straight up making her unbeatable. Sure, her numbers in the early game are fairly low and she is incredibly mana hungry, but I just hate the idea of playing against a champion that takes away my entire agency and I am basically at the mercy of them being terrible at the game. I mean, if you think about it, Fiora's parry is technically an infinite value ability as well, since she can block literally everything during the .75 seconds. Her matchup spread is way too good as well, considering that she is arguably one of the strongest toplaners in the lategame. I'd just remove her from the game, pending a rework. If I could remove 3 champions from the game there is no doubt that they would be Fiora, Vayne and Yuumi. Yone may be incredibly privileged, but at least he is very squishy and all skillshots. The other 3 however, they take privilege to a whole other level (in my opinion). Fiora and Vayne basically being full point and click without any means to itemize against them and Yuumi taking away the main counterplay against their entire class.
Vayne takes a very high amount of skill tho (not necessarily in toplane). Fiora did too but she's so overtuned ATM that is kinda gone out of the window.
100% agreed. Fiora literally cuts down the available picks top by like 60% if you don't counterpick her, than prepare to have the worst lane of your life.
true been playing her since s3 she was really ass back then until everyone found out you could stack tiamat and just press R and kill everyone but once that was gone she went back to being ass
She's been giga buffed to compensate for her "weak teamfight", but then they allows her to splitpush with the Q+E changes anyway and refuse to undo those "weak teamfight" buffs. Moronic balance team as always.
10% max hp true dmg+heal+movementspeed on vital with no cd ON A PASSIVE, can block EVERYTHING, one of the best split pushers, good early game and scales. Rito: yeah this is balanced.
The Fiora match-up is always interesting for me as an Illaoi one-trick. It is probably the biggest mind game right up there with Mordekaiser. Maxing Illaoi E gives it a faster cooldown than Fiora's Riposte (about 2 to 1) and so it becomes this dance between baiting her parry, seeing if she holds it after a Q, or tries to bury the W animation inside a Q dash. The fun, for me, is the mental chess of throwing terrible E's at the Fiora player for a few rounds, making them commit to this muscle memory, and then completely flipping the script, lol. Nothing is more satisfying then having a Fiora all in me and complain about 'counterplay' when I put myself against a wall and just thrash her with Illaoi, lol. What's so hilarious is that the 'Four Horsewomen' can all find themselves absolutely bodied by a patient Illaoi, because each one of them want to all in and that's literally where all of her power lies.
I used to parry Illaoi e, but now i usually just q out of it which is easy enough most of the time, although i get hit now and then. I save my w to parry the ult which not only neglects dmg, but also does some psychological dmg. Or i parry when im about to get slapped by multiple tentacles. The wallhugging is something that makes me want to cry sometimes though.
@@bywiweit yeah any good fiora will just bait the ult and q out then reengage but the smart illoai will just sacrifice cs knowing she will lose after that. slow push etc
I always find people complaining about illaoi funny because I've played with those people and they simply refuse to walk sideways from her. Illaoi ults and all thought leaves their brain and they try to stand still and stat check their way out of it
Play support or jungle then where tank actually takes skill and doesn't try to skip the laning phase being a stat ball. Easy problem solve. Leave toplane for people who want to showcase their laning skill and want to live up to the fantasy of toplane which is dueling either it's Fiora vs Camille, Darius vs Aatrox or Kennen vs Jayce, etc. Toplane tanks wet noodle fights against each other or trying to not interact with the duelist opponents is giga boring. Fiora is not perfect but at least she fits the role thematically much more than tanks.
@@lunacy5510 top is for big boys like tanks and juggernuts. people could pick champions like Camille for jungle or irelia for midlane but since they abuse big boys for some reasons they prefer to play them in top cuz it's easier for them. also jayce and kennen are range so that's a big yikes
@@pikminologueraisin2139 Well not really, a lot of Tanks also have way better clear than a lot of those "duelists". Theoretically, Camille could be really good at ganking, but her kit is more for single-target damage and as such, doesn't kill camps very well.
@@pikminologueraisin2139top lane is for basically any champ with dueling ability, tanks work in any role minus adc and juggernauts only work in top you can take any champion top as long as you know what you are doing, druttut is an example taking shit like samira top
I think something that needs to be mentioned when talking about splitpushers is how over the years macro has become so much less effective and thus people don't understand it thus making splitpushers a lot stronger
@@trolltroll4557yeah idk what this guy is talking about as the game has evolved so have players, the average plat in 2013 would be divisions lower in 2023.
@@trolltroll4557 i think the idea is that, since fewer understand good macro play, fewer players know how to counter splitpushing. in other words, those who do bother learning macro get more reward out of it
Playing VS Fiora as a Tank just feels unfair. Yes she isn't easy to play, but this doesn't make %MaxHealthTrueDamage fair. Like he mentioned, it has 0 Counter. Of course it needs a lot of practise to Proc the Vitals consistent, but when someone learns it, it is so hard to keep Fiora in check. VS ALL other Champ you can Build COunter items. But the only thing you can Counter is the heal she recieves. Yes Antiheal is good against her, but in Late Game as a Tank you don't care about her heal, thats the Job of your Damage dealer, you care about how fast she can kill you. In my Opinion they Should increase the Value and change it to Normal or Magic Damage, or at least only 50% as True Damage. Currently it just feels unfair to play against her.
I used to have lots of trouble with fiora, but a random friend told me a seemingly obvious weakness that everyone overlooks - she pushes slow as shit. And if she buys Tiamat then she just fucks herself and I farm under tower. She’s harasses and pokes well in the middle of the lane but not well under your tower. I’m a d2 singed main and I used to play stupid and she’d freeze on me and try to prevent proxy. What I do is sacrifice my life bar early take the hits and gas a few waves. Then back. If I do manage to proxy it’s game over. I also always have time to run back to lane before she can crash her wave and get plating because she pushes a slow as shit. Another weakness - she’s not THAT strong in team fights, she only seems strong if you manage to Int her or get bullied into being behind levels. If you manage to play a high wave clear champ that excels in teamfights she really doesn’t do shit. People are so scared of her parry ability but really that’s her only real defense, then you can fuck her up real easily.
You can't tell people that they need to learn the weakness of the champion and how to abuse it, you have to jump the bandwagon and say that she is turbo broken and should be deleted.
She is turbo broken, and everytime you win a agem with her in soloQ you should not forget to pay your respects. To the devil of course, who knows what he will do with your soul-contract......
In short. She is broken. She beats you in lane AND outscales you. She is just like Riven or Irelia. Once you are Good enough the enemies only counter play is you as the Fiora screwing up
Her abilities are cool and fun to use, but together they function a little bit too well. I actually thought she was difficult to use but actually no, she's really easy to pick up and learn
Against a Fiora, I'm not even remotely sorry for picking Vayne and auto auto Qing her every 5 seconds until she presses B. But thankfully (kinda ?), I have to deal with even more degenerate champions to bother a good Fiora player. Yes, I'm watching both of you, Olaf and Jax.
I remember thinking I could take a Fiora once because I was fully upgraded and super fed on Viktor. The movement speed I gain and the slow she dealt with were not enough and she ran me down 🙃
I despise rush down champs because there is no champion who's actually effective at truly being a rush down counter I honestly think if they rework singed it should be to absolutely destroy rush down as a counter pick, enhancing the punishment for chasing him
Totally agree, also Fiora is very abusable on low elo because players don't use basic attacks and if you start making short trades in between enemy coodowns its a winable lane and potentially snowball match from there on.
I disagree only for the fact that that is true only if you are super ahead. Or just ahead but team is even. You cant do shit as a top in low elo if enemy bot is super fed without you being super fed yourself.
*Fiora takes very little skill to use at a 'competent' level, however has an EXTREMELY strong early, mid & late game with no discernible weaknesses besides her lack of team fighting capability (which I wouldn't argue isn't even as bad as people make out.). Tanks can't play vs her at any point in the game, Bruisers get outscaled, Juggernauts have about 10 minutes of time to do anything against her. Dualists/split pushers only equal her in a best case scenario. Which is honestly crazy to thing the best case scenario in ANY situation is a literal coinflip. In my opinion she is the worse champion to play against, since there is literally ZERO counter play if they have any idea what they are doing.* I feel the same way about riven/irelia, however the play rate of these champions is very low, and even lower is the amount of people that can actually play them to a good degree. I can safely say a riven/fiora needs at least 100-300k mastery points to be at the very least competent. You can play 10 games as fiora and abuse her quite easily. She is my only top lane ban, without fail. I really couldn't care otherwise. If i am filled jungle, or support, she is getting camped all game. Sorry fiora mains, i really do not care. (p2 player, not great, not terrible)
"Tanks can't match her at any point" Except they all win after bramble until 1 item, and some do beat her after 1 item. And even then fiora can't really shut them down hard, they will still be fine
one thing you really should go over is how mechanically fun a lot of these champions are. no one will argue that fiora isn't broken by design. But she does require a lot of skill like you said to meet that broken requirements. Fiora, like thresh in support, has an answer for almost every situation in the game. she doesn't win by default, you do have to outplay your opponent and that feels really good. using W at the right time and dancing around with Q to proc vitals feels extremely good and fluid. and that's moreso what it comes down to. all the other things you talk about I would argue are an important secondary. People look for a fun champ first, and viable after. Fiora is popular because she's extremely fun and fluid AND she's broken. as a counter point, look at Vayne. no matter the meta she has a huge play rate. and despite popular belief she does not scale that well in every situation. her dps is unreal, but good luck getting that off if the enemy giga out ranges you. But at the very least Vayne, like fiora, feels like she has the tools to outplay anyone even if its not on the level of a fiora.
>no one will argue that fiora isn't broken by design I will and I have good reason. Every champ can just fkin hug a wall at worst case. Every commonly played toplaner has either mobility or range big enough to not let Fiora close to the vital and/or ability to play around her riposte. Be it that he can easily give up the stun and sit on it or even better drop it and then dodge the riposte or the stun is instacast. At early, she does practically no max hp % true damage and isnt that strong and at lategame, juggernauts do the same level of damage regardless whether its physical, magic, true or its directly mental attack. They are one of the strongest champs, while also being pretty beefy, so in order for not so beefy champ to go toe to toe with them, he gotta have that much higher damage, which coupled with how agile she is, she would be nightmare for any ADC, Assassin and honestly any non juggernaut champ. And therefore, to tune her damage based on who she is facing, there is max HP true damage. Work bit too well against someone like tanks and not so much against full damage melee gods like Yi but against anyone else works splendidly, which is what matters since tanks arent even supposed to face her lmao. And as you say, she is about outplaying you. She isnt about skillfully abusing broken wombo combo you can do nothing about, cuz comboing isnt outplaying. A combo, she could just learn in practice tool. Moreover, hard to learn doesnt equal to hard to use. Riding bycicle is just as easy as walking but harder to learn. Again, she is about outplaying, so if you get outplayed, its on you first and foremost for not being better, for getting outplayed.
@@nechocat1234 Juggernauts are one of the strongest champs, while also being pretty beefy, so in order for not so beefy champ to go toe to toe with them, he gotta have that much higher damage, which coupled with how agile she is, she would be nightmare for any ADC, Assassin and honestly any non juggernaut champ. And therefore, to tune her damage based on who she is facing, there is max HP true damage. Work bit too well against someone like tanks and not so much against full damage melee gods like Yi but against anyone else works splendidly, which is what matters since tanks arent even supposed to face her. In short, its not there so she can always beat everyone, she would be tuned to do that. Its there so that there isnt collateral damage, when she is doing so.
1: Hey you know how max health true damage is basically uncounterable? Yeah let's give it to a ranged character 2: Right but they have low mobility to compensate that massive power right? 1: No but to make it fair the dash will also make them invisible
honestly, i would not mind seeing a "why everyone hates" series. he could either do like he did with shaco and take champs who rated highly on the "most hated champions" poll, or take champs who have a reputation for being frustrating to fight (ex: vayne, teemo, karatina, master yi, yasuo, akali). it could also help cover champions who are not rare enough for a "why no one plays" or common enough for a "why everyone plays"
Fiora's the type of character who you feel dirty for playing... She's so broken that winning with her feels unsatisfying to the point of being almost hollow.
Top 3 reasons to hate fiora: 1 : france doesn't even exist in runeterra but they still made her french 2 : she fences wrong. When lunging in fencing you make a forward lunge by putting one leg foreword and exteting your arm. you do not displace yourself. also that isnt even how parries work in fencing. THERE ARE SPECFIIC PARIIES FOR SPECIFIC ATACKS. 3 : Demacian
I once got in a full build 1v1 with pre nerf S10 rav-hydra on both of her and my red Kayn. Only reasons i managed to win after a long as hell 1v1 was the ungodly healing and 5 second cd of W of full build red Kayn allowing me to CC her on every other W
If they really want Fiora to have a duelist theme, they need to make her DUEL, not just win 1v1's. Of course she should still be a strong duelist, but it should be the better 1v1'er wins, not the one with max health true damage
Oh yes, just make a champion that can only 1v1 people and isn't even that good at it. Like what is the idea behind that? Fiora has an incredible amount of skill expression that you can work around. All the parry mindgames and all the positioning mechanics.
I know this is gunna sound obvious as fuck but there is actually one way to mitigate her damage and it’s called… not letting her hit your vitals. If you’re out of her q range? She can’t hit her vital. If she’s stunned? She can’t hit the vitals . If you walk back like 5 ft and reset the vital? She can’t hit her vital. If you stand against a wall? She can’t hit her vital. If you kill her? She can’t fucking hit the vital… There are ways to avoid taking damage that don’t just include right clicking an armor item in your shop tab…
Yeah, too many things... She can dash, has MS ( she needs otherwise opponent could just walk away with every second vital, which is still somewhat doable RN ) and has uno card and... And does damage! Would be much better if everyone was just next copy of garen. Tho Garen also does quite few things. ( HP regen, MS, slow cleanse, silence, Shield, innate resists, tenacity, dmg reduction, armor shred, aoe damage. Massive true damage. ). Lmao.
Top laner here, despite it being a coin flip lane I'm very heavily against dodging for me personally. The only 2 situations I actually will dodge are when I am forced to first pick a tank and my laner goes Vayne or Fiora I have no issue with tough match ups hell loosing matchups are a part of a top laners balanced breakfast bc 9 times out of 10 you just play back its really that fuckin simple. You scale, get to a solid point, and then you can atleast contest the lane no problem But with those 2 nightmares, you could play your lane absolutely perfectly, have insane farm with 0 deaths and you will still be in a hopeless position 40 minutes in. For the entire game you and your role are rendered completely worthless as in team fights the one who is supposed to protect their team and carries become nothing more than a free gold generator for the Fiora/Vayne and I absolutely refuse to play that
i still remember that game in ARAM where vayne was decimating our team, and i, the cho'gath, was the only one who bothered to actually focus her. not a fun game
She has everything, a high skill ceiling, a good early, mid, late game, percent based true damage, built in counter CC stasis ability, team heals, and dashes
Ahhh fiora, i remember when in the K'sante gameplay trailer she almost kill him under tower and took like 10 tier 3 tower shots and he was like with 5% Hp... and that was his trailer was suposed to make him look good and almost gets humillated in his trailer
Best way to counter MaxHP true damage is sheilds. Get Steraks for example instead of her needing 5 vitals for 20% HP true damage each she will need 7 to break the Sterak sheild.
That is why i play camille more often into fiora, camille has good ability to keep up with her and thanks to nuke of true dmg is only ability that keeps with fiora's passive Camille has abilities and passive to keep her healthy in that match up It is free win in lane if fiora goes for conqurer because in trades, you dont proc it almost at all and vs camille, it is mandatory to get grasp 90% of time
What exactly isn't mitigated via shields? Even if using things like Sterak's Gage it wouldn't be at all useful since Fiora has accessible %max health true damage everytime
Can you please do a next why everyone plays/no one plays on Shen? I'd really love to hear your views on Shen as he's a champion a lot of people love to play but a lot of people find boring. Love your content and would love to see your opinion on Shen 🤗
Can yorick theoretically counter a fiora? Modern yorick build focuses on keeping distance in lane and using ghouls to long range harass. With w you can create terrain to block vitals, force fiora to dash in or out of it, and it should be able to take her q auto targeted attack. Yorick doesn't have any hard control for her to counter either, and while she can attack fast enough to deal with his ghouls the fact that maiden won't have vitals and attacks from range would force her to split her attention in combat.
If you get a lead, yeah. But a good Fiora will zone you away from the wave, use her dash to dodge your e, dash out of your cage, etc. Fiora doesn’t have a true counter, other than maybe wukong or tryndamere,
It’s not terrible but against a good Fiora it’ll still be rough. HOWEVER, Yorick does have a higher winrate in general vs Fiora so clearly not completely terrible
@@rexravsten2626fiora does have true counters. Malphite is unplayable, rammus is super annoying, irelia is super hard to beat if she knows what she is doing...
ever considered making a vid on "Why no one plays Eve?" Surprsingly her pick rate is actually lower than nocturne (5.1% pick rate and abt 98k games played for noc and 4.1% pick rate and 78k games played for eve as of 29/4/23). Found this especially interesting since she's considered meta right now with a 13.7% ban rate lmao. Some reasons off my head as an eve main are: - reliance on team to survive her weak early game - niche playstyle
0:43 (The 4 Horewomen) should made that joke vars like nowdays meta (skin seller champs) is MarksWomen also want to point out that fiora Passiv is sorta silly like Tryndameres passive since heavy rng in Early lvl 3 can win u lane
Something something %max HP true damage
Something something Dashes
Something something self heal
Something something counter CC
something something big middle finger to all top laners in existence
and +movement speed
You can simply take the %max health true dmg AND counter CC, already too much busted with just these 2
this is why when enemy use fiora, i rush black cleaver on urgot
every new/reworked champion in a nutshell
Ah yes, I love it when Fiora tanks 7 tower shots while killing my full health champ under the tower 🥰
And if you try to stun her while she does it, she stuns you instead. Oh yea, it's her lv 3 dive too
You know what they say...
Skill issue
Anyone remember the K’Sante trailer when that literally almost happened?
Oh thought you were mistaking her for irelia🤨
That's irella lol fiora anit that bs... at most she can only tank a few even accounting for her counter ability she literally would've died before 7
Also another point is that she effectively makes at least 30+ champions useless and is the only champion capable of that. So by picking fiora you basically ban half toplaners. Very cool Riot
Shoutout to Kled who has to permaban her since it is impossible to play lane against her, obviusly balanced champ.
@@franconunez925 And Tryndamere has to perma ban Malphite/Jax? Just because someone counters someone, doesn't mean they're broken. I'm 100% on the side of she's broken, but, that's not a valid argument.
@@franconunez925 Preaaaach
@@patrickstar3293 Malph and Jax also destroy kled, but fiora is literally unplayable. It's completely different.
@@patrickstar3293 trynd doesn't need to perma Jax tf????
Hey guys, Sion main here
If fiora likes parrying your Q, remember that you can hold the second stunning part for a whole second while the parry only holds for .75 of a second. As such switch between slamming the axe down immediately and waiting for her to parry early. You'll know you're screwed if the fiora goes without parrying your Q and just dashes out immediately.
you can also hold just long enough to stun then walk sideways to dodge the W, since it has a cast time(and if she casts W before the stun timer, you can hold it till its finished)
YES YES! As a Sion main I can relate. You can play mind games with Fiora's parry, normally they will parry you at 1 full second and just keep charging the axe. Next time you do it you do a swift swing and then just keep that pace and she will most likely not parry your Q.
Rush thornmail, try not to take as many free Q, if you see the marker in front of you, just back off to reset it and come back. You can win against her in early. Mid game she becomes a natural tank killer. The catch is to stall her, which you can easily do. Then if you jungler comes to help, you can easily kill her by stunning her. In TFs she WONT have more utility than you.
Finally, as good as HP items are for Sion, against Fiora I would either Ice gauntlet or Jaksho for extended trades.
the baus law
There's this one memory burned in my mind about the time I went nasus against fiora in solo q. I was obviously fearing for my life until I beat her a couple of times. Then she spoke in all chat saying how my champ is broken for having high health and vamp for free. I have never laughed so hard in a single game of my life.
To be fair Nasus is just as annoying to face as Fiora, because Wither is bullshit overbuffed ability.
It is hilarious when someone complains about your champ when they're playing a more ridiculous one just because you've outplayed them. I main Urgot and that happens to me quite often when I stomp Illaois, even against good Illaoi players as long as I play safe and patient I either outscale them or they start making mistakes out of frustration, one over-ambitious E while in a bad position and you can really punish her. Then comes the "wtf is that champ" when they get meat grinded :)
I can sympathise with that Fiora though tbf, I don't think he's broken or anything but he's incredibly frustrating to face, really hope he gets adjusted to be a bit more modern sometime
@@walkelftexasranger "bullshit overbuffed ability"
-someone playing fiora
@@99temporal he is correct tho. Rank 5 Wither is basically a 5 seconds stune for auto attackers and a root for spell casters. What do you think why after the W buff Riot did a year ago or so Korean SoloQ and ProPlay started to spam Nasus support with W max till they figured out that in return they have to spam Heimerdinger and Zyra.
@@bohomazdesign725 and yet Nasus top has a 51% wr and Nasus sup has a 40% winrate
Fiora's W is literally a better Nasus W for the majority of the game, since until Nasus starts putting points in it, fiora W slows for more, slows more attack speed AND BLOCKS ALL DAMAGE while she's casting
Fiora W attack speed slow is equal to a lvl 3 Nasus slows, without her having to spend points in it
If only her W was a parry and not a glorified quick time event
Its not even a quick time event. You can parry too late or too soon and still hit the stun because of Riot servers. Since when failing a quick time event in games gave you a bonus?
The most Evil thing is, that it even Blocks Summoner Spells.
@@thewolf7668 idk failing Yakuza quick times events is a reward in off itself
@Alry FireBlade which is pure luck. Ss have no cast time or animation. So it's either luck, guessing game, or knowing they only need 2 more aa's and you know they have ignite up so educated guess.
@@AlryFireBladeIf she blocks your summoners you got outplayed super hard.
My favorite moment of the Fiora mains subreddit was when a top Fiora player did an AMA, and every main in that subreddit was shocked to hear that she was broken. They like to pretend that their champ is purely high risk high reward when in reality, she's low risk, high reward considering her strengths and versatility. When played well you get shat on with little counterplay other than to respect her in lane and still get outscaled anyways. If played poorly, she can choose to play passively with no risk to herself, sidelane all game quite effectively and destroy towers fast with her empowered autos and resets and then still tank your hp once she has 2 items under her belt.
agreed, honestly she shares a lot with irelia, its insane how a 0/5 irelia can beat someone who is litterally 5/0 over her with 1 mistake
She’s ridiculously strong. I’m a support main who has never played PC LOL, but yesterday I got my first pentakill during an ARAM game on Wild Rift using Fiora. I’ve only used her twice before (also during ARAM), but getting the pentakill was surprisingly easy?? I ate a fair amount of damage from the enemy Kassadin, but I still managed to kill his team before duelling him. Felt bad about bulldozing the enemy team after, because what *can* you do against a fed Fiora? ;-;
Edit: not to mention how much stuff she can parry with riposte. I completely negated the enemy Fizz’s ultimate at least twice during the match. How is it fair for a basic ability to counter an ultimate?? Gwen’s hallowed mist and Yasuo’s wind wall have same problem of being basic abilities which can completely nullify other champions’ ultimates.
@@selinaliu5948 i have also witnessed an ARAM pentakill by a fiora who admitted to never playing fiora before. "hard to play" is not that much of an argument
@@d4s0n282 she’s nothing like Irelia, irelia is way harder to pilot, has a far worse mu spread, and gets giga fucked by tanks (the complete opposite of fio besides Malphite)
@@biggiecheese2004 uhuh, sure keep coping for your main, you totally dont just dash dash dash, then kill
Ah yes, the scaling early-mid-late game champion
the lategame champion that can barely teamfight besides assasinating an important target.
@@ruzgar1372 He just said in the video her teamfight is not that bad
@@ruzgar1372 cope and seethe
@@Roach2137 why, because what I said is true? If anything is cancer about Fiora in lategame, it's not the ""OP"" max hp true dmg. It's her splitpushing power.
she does about 30% true dmg throughout the whole game, it's plenty but it's not 100% as people make it out to be and building armor works against her for the most part.
@@ruzgar1372 I hate being 4 shot while I play a tank. I wanted to play league of tanks not play league of getting one shot and doing zero damage :(
She's not useless when behind, as soon as she gets Divine Sunderer she's ahead, even if you have 2+ items, that's just it, to nerf all the toxic and broken counter pick champs in toplane you just have to remove Divine...
divine and botrk legit make up half of the problematic champs
@@certifiedfunnyguy completely
It sucks because there also cool items. Something I've noticed though, is that Riot has removed nearly all activatables in the game. Bork used to be an Activated Item, so you had to choose when you needed to use it, making it a more skill-based decision rather than automatic. Personally, I think its lame that Riot has moved into nearly every Item being a Passive activation; its removed a lot of interesting items that I really enjoyed using.
But if you remove divine most bruiser become usless. Yeah top lane is in a shity situation
@@googloocraft1217 what? So many bruisers go Eclipse, Gore, Stride, or Triforce
TLDR: designed to have the tools to beat almost any champion in a 1v1 , while being tanky and bursting you down from full hp with true damage
Yeah that tanky part is so bullshit.
Like she actually used to be squishy. But now after Item rework and Durability patch? That bitch is tanky as hell.
there are adcs with better survivability than fiora please stop
@@domnicateodor306 and who are these ADCs exactly?
@@kirbyisgod703 No response 😂 bro was lying through his teeth
@@domnicateodor306???
I think it's really funny in the K'sante gameplay trailer when Fiora tanks like 8 tower shots, misses half her abilities and STILL almost fucking wins.
I personally think her Q should have like a 12 second CD at max rank but reduce it's cooldown like evolved Kai'sa W if she hits a vital. This allows her to keep her absurd sticking power, but makes it so she doesn't have a massive dash on a 2 second CD making catching her basically impossible.
Fiora is by far my most played champion. With that said, I acknowledge her design is an absolute nightmare. With the exception of bramble+tabi as well as a few horrible matchups, she has more upside than most champions. The reason everyone plays her is simple: If the Fiora plays better (sometimes “better” means perfect), she wins. She is one of the only champions where it isn’t about playing better than her; it’s about hoping she plays worse than you. Her astronomical skill ceiling comes from the very fact that you are at the mercy of whether or not the Fiora you’re up against is better.
I can’t think of any other champs where, at nearly every point in the game, you are at the mercy of how THEY play rather than the street going both ways. That’s the fancy way to say she gets to “remove counterplay” as many people clamor.
Sure, she gets to “remove counterplay” but I wish more people would appreciate how immensely difficult it is to pilot her in a way that is as oppressive as people make her out to be. It’s privilege that needs to be very decisively earned.
A bad Fiora is a pain. A really good Fiora... terrifying.
As a Fiora onetrick I gotta agree on all of your points. I started playing her because the first skin i got was soaring sword fiora and i loved it, didnt know the champ was so good back then.
The same happend to me. But I honestly kinda gave up on the champ after bad teamfighting and bad waveclear destroyed my mental
Plz tell me you got the teacher kink skin and poolparty
@@lilbladeknight Soaring sword has best running animation. All the others have the scoliosis patient trying to walk upright animation
Where do u live i have some ”gifts” for u ❤
@@lilbladeknight Yes, Im only missing project, heartpiercer and regular lunar beast fiora
Everyone: omg Fiora is so broken
Fiora mains: proceed to loose to every single malphite ever*
Skill issue most fiora "mains" are trash at the game and just abuse fiora
@@adagen3776I'd like to see you get challenger with her then
The core issue with fiora is that she is a scissor that only looses when you match it with 2 rocks, but still defeats paper regardless.
Actually very good analogy. Thought I'd argue the meta never favours having two rocks. Taking a comp that counters a fiora 9 times out of 10 will leave you open to getting counterpicked in more lanes.
@@taylorwilson6655 just saw another video about a toplane champ "just ask your jungle and shut her down pre six" yeah. by that logic everychamp can be countered just come with more champs.
With that precision and confidence you have when you talk about game design, you should really make some "How to fix..." videos or something like this where you imagine and give ideas that could improve the game (Even new champion designs why not).
How to fix Fiora:
Remove her from the game together with Yuumi, thanks.
@@walkelftexasranger yikes
Hey, this is a genuinly great idea!
@@walkelftexasranger yuumi rework should be reverted and then she wouldnt need to be removed
honestly a lot of his proposed fixes when he talks about certain champs is a good show he isn't the best voice in that regard. He declared that hearsteel was broken when it is rarely run and has never been changed. Further his takes on fixing kled are sickening as a kled main. His suggestion of making W a normal ability is horrible and would lead to kled needing massive numbers nerfs in exchange for him never losing a single trade. Laning vs him would be a hide under turret until 3 items game and that would be downright miserable.
I think another important thing is that her scaling is not really conditional. Like if you look at the best scaling toplaners for example, Nasus is useless late game if the enemy has cc and your team doesn't, Kayle scales a lot worse if the enemys outrange her or have a lot of cc. But Fiora doesn't have that which is really unique
Nasus can be cc and kited, Kayle is a glass cannon she get more than 1 sec of CC she would waste her flash and R, fiora will use her W parry all shit and slow u down and take a lot of ur AS
@@alejandrourdaneta4685 that's the same thing that I said
False, Fiora has two major flaws. The first one is that even though she escales well in late game SHE DEPENDS A LOT ON THE MARKERS. She also loses ultra hard against real late game threats like Yi, Jax or Trynda. There is no way you are soloing them. Just to tell you, Yi is inmune to her counter slow and attackspeed slow.
If there is a Leona or hard CC in the enemy team you are only countering one or 2 cc at most. It's not the enemy is gonna use all of their cc on you and you "W Biatch" no, that is not how real matches work. Once you CC fiora or interrupt her movement SHE DIES. It's the same principle as Irelia basically and unlike Irelia, Fiora can't stun you while she is stunned.
@@Yokai_Yuri First off her depending on markers doesn't make him weak against a class of champions. Markers aren't significantly harder to hit against one type of champion than another. Second I don't understand how her losing to Yi jax and Trynda 1v1 in the late game is a knock on her when literally every single champion loses to them. And third cc is a universal counterplay every champion (not named olaf) is countered by cc at different extends and Fiora gets countered less than normal because of her w. While other scaling champions such as Vlad, Kassadin, Kayle, Nasus get countered a lot more. Also her being 100% dead if she gets cc'd is just not true. With her building bruiser items she can survive for a long time and heal back to full in seconds. She also gets double tenacity in her runes and can even build merks, a luxury which most of the afro mentioned champions don't have. Then there is also the fact that she goes GA most games if they go far enough.
@@zsomborszigeti6797 Okay against Tryndamere and Jax, she can beat but not yi. Yi vs Fiora is actually a skill match up in the late game.
I would be fine if her passive either dealt Max HP Physical or just flat True dmg with no Max HP or scaling except levels.
+ She makes half the cast of top useless.
you literally have to ban her as a tank or a character with slow hard CC. In the footage used the multiple parries of a kled q kinda show how she can just remove certain characters.
As a Morde main, I have to watch out for Fiora, Vayne, Camille, GP and Olaf. Can't ban them all
@@greyser6007 Morde does well into Camille, and GP isn't that bad.
The main problems for Morde currently are Fiora, Jax (broken, needs nerfs), Olaf (also broken) and Vayne.
@@greyser6007camille matchup isn't that bad for morde tbh
I wouldn't mind champs like Fiora existing if other toplaners shared the same privileges she does. Top needs to be less of a matchup check than it is, and you shouldn't get put out of the game completely because of a bad matchup and an enemy jungle camping you. Top needs more agency.
"percent max health true damage obliviously have counters. it can obviously be mitigated by health regen and life steal. I don't care whether that not everyone have access to this but this is a counter to percent max health true damage and that is good enough to be the only counter against an ability that can proc very easily and have no cooldown" ------ modern champion designer from riot
You had me at the first part 💀
Instructions unclear, Fiora ignited me.
Local league player has never heard of shields
basicly a vayne with max w can kill you in x shots, doesnt matter how tanky you are you die in x shots. imaging being a ultless malph vs a vayne. gg your 450 armor and 5k life means nothing.
Parry, duel vibe, true damage%, both strong AAs and abilities
If you think about it
Champs that can deal max% hp true damage
Always have an extra movement speed attached to their kit or dash
No matter how you run or engage
They can always close the gap or create a gap
Just for them to fully deal that true dmg as they wish
Both champs you are mentioning are squishy short range autoattack champs. If they don't have the mobility that makes up for how squishy they are you create two useless champs.
@@hashteraksgage3281 vayne is not that short range and has a push in case anyone gets close
And at least they have not max hp % SPLASH true damage. Imagine such a champ!
@@99temporal don't waste your time explaining shit to adc mains
@@jojotv9383 luckily lillia only has AOE Max health percentage Burn and heal
I have a great topic for you: modern or yesterday power creep:
New Asol rework strong or what not, it’s another topic but his new E and R2 just made all other scaling mages a joke, Riot has to buff each one of them to compensate, Azir Veigar and now Kayle. The recent other two mage reworks Taliyah and Syndra look like a joke in front of new Asol.
2:00 gotta love how flora is a level down, misuses her w and still wins the 1v1
That's what happens when a ranged champion goes in melle
You a ranged top main?
TLDR- %max health true damage + dash + HEAL = “fair and balanced” champion
forgot the bullshit w :)
@@nishu4406
%max health true damage + dash + heal + can be completely invincible to everything for nearly an entire second and turn your CC against you within that time frame = "fair and balanced" champion
Fiora has been my permaban since her rework. Percent health true damage is a crime against game design in itself, but her parry is just straight up making her unbeatable. Sure, her numbers in the early game are fairly low and she is incredibly mana hungry, but I just hate the idea of playing against a champion that takes away my entire agency and I am basically at the mercy of them being terrible at the game. I mean, if you think about it, Fiora's parry is technically an infinite value ability as well, since she can block literally everything during the .75 seconds.
Her matchup spread is way too good as well, considering that she is arguably one of the strongest toplaners in the lategame. I'd just remove her from the game, pending a rework. If I could remove 3 champions from the game there is no doubt that they would be Fiora, Vayne and Yuumi. Yone may be incredibly privileged, but at least he is very squishy and all skillshots. The other 3 however, they take privilege to a whole other level (in my opinion). Fiora and Vayne basically being full point and click without any means to itemize against them and Yuumi taking away the main counterplay against their entire class.
Thank you for writing this comment so I did not have to
It's been a good long while since I've agreed with everything someone said. Good job!
This is true and it hurts - Rito is so stupid
Vayne takes a very high amount of skill tho (not necessarily in toplane).
Fiora did too but she's so overtuned ATM that is kinda gone out of the window.
100% agreed. Fiora literally cuts down the available picks top by like 60% if you don't counterpick her, than prepare to have the worst lane of your life.
5x tiamat and blade waltz. Thats all im gonna say, OGs will understand me. She was the best teamfighter in the game for a long time, no contest
true been playing her since s3 she was really ass back then until everyone found out you could stack tiamat and just press R and kill everyone but once that was gone she went back to being ass
She's been giga buffed to compensate for her "weak teamfight", but then they allows her to splitpush with the Q+E changes anyway and refuse to undo those "weak teamfight" buffs. Moronic balance team as always.
the funny thing was when old aatrox was a good counter to her because he could just out heal her damge out put.
Fiora is a noone plays for me because she is my permaban
10% max hp true dmg+heal+movementspeed on vital with no cd ON A PASSIVE, can block EVERYTHING, one of the best split pushers, good early game and scales.
Rito: yeah this is balanced.
its crazy that fiora W deals 110 damage, blocks damage and reduces attackspeed. that spell is so fucking overloaded
The Fiora match-up is always interesting for me as an Illaoi one-trick. It is probably the biggest mind game right up there with Mordekaiser.
Maxing Illaoi E gives it a faster cooldown than Fiora's Riposte (about 2 to 1) and so it becomes this dance between baiting her parry, seeing if she holds it after a Q, or tries to bury the W animation inside a Q dash. The fun, for me, is the mental chess of throwing terrible E's at the Fiora player for a few rounds, making them commit to this muscle memory, and then completely flipping the script, lol.
Nothing is more satisfying then having a Fiora all in me and complain about 'counterplay' when I put myself against a wall and just thrash her with Illaoi, lol.
What's so hilarious is that the 'Four Horsewomen' can all find themselves absolutely bodied by a patient Illaoi, because each one of them want to all in and that's literally where all of her power lies.
I used to parry Illaoi e, but now i usually just q out of it which is easy enough most of the time, although i get hit now and then. I save my w to parry the ult which not only neglects dmg, but also does some psychological dmg. Or i parry when im about to get slapped by multiple tentacles. The wallhugging is something that makes me want to cry sometimes though.
@@bywiweit yeah any good fiora will just bait the ult and q out then reengage but the smart illoai will just sacrifice cs knowing she will lose after that. slow push etc
I always find people complaining about illaoi funny because I've played with those people and they simply refuse to walk sideways from her.
Illaoi ults and all thought leaves their brain and they try to stand still and stat check their way out of it
@@ethanstyant9704I despise illaoi not because of her counterplay but because her gameplay is hot ass without e
12:26, DEAR GOD
She kills my tanks and my desire to play top lane
Play support or jungle then where tank actually takes skill and doesn't try to skip the laning phase being a stat ball. Easy problem solve. Leave toplane for people who want to showcase their laning skill and want to live up to the fantasy of toplane which is dueling either it's Fiora vs Camille, Darius vs Aatrox or Kennen vs Jayce, etc. Toplane tanks wet noodle fights against each other or trying to not interact with the duelist opponents is giga boring. Fiora is not perfect but at least she fits the role thematically much more than tanks.
@@lunacy5510 I thought the "Oh look at how skillfull and good I am" lane was mid?
@@lunacy5510 top is for big boys like tanks and juggernuts. people could pick champions like Camille for jungle or irelia for midlane but since they abuse big boys for some reasons they prefer to play them in top cuz it's easier for them. also jayce and kennen are range so that's a big yikes
@@pikminologueraisin2139 Well not really, a lot of Tanks also have way better clear than a lot of those "duelists". Theoretically, Camille could be really good at ganking, but her kit is more for single-target damage and as such, doesn't kill camps very well.
@@pikminologueraisin2139top lane is for basically any champ with dueling ability, tanks work in any role minus adc and juggernauts only work in top you can take any champion top as long as you know what you are doing, druttut is an example taking shit like samira top
Enchanters are not useless when behind. Supports' income doesn' stop since it comes from their support item.
I think something that needs to be mentioned when talking about splitpushers is how over the years macro has become so much less effective and thus people don't understand it thus making splitpushers a lot stronger
>macro is less effective
>therefore people don’t learn macro
>therefore splitpushing (macro play) is more effective
????
@@trolltroll4557yeah idk what this guy is talking about as the game has evolved so have players, the average plat in 2013 would be divisions lower in 2023.
@@trolltroll4557 i think the idea is that, since fewer understand good macro play, fewer players know how to counter splitpushing. in other words, those who do bother learning macro get more reward out of it
Playing VS Fiora as a Tank just feels unfair. Yes she isn't easy to play, but this doesn't make %MaxHealthTrueDamage fair. Like he mentioned, it has 0 Counter.
Of course it needs a lot of practise to Proc the Vitals consistent, but when someone learns it, it is so hard to keep Fiora in check. VS ALL other Champ you can Build COunter items. But the only thing you can Counter is the heal she recieves. Yes Antiheal is good against her, but in Late Game as a Tank you don't care about her heal, thats the Job of your Damage dealer, you care about how fast she can kill you.
In my Opinion they Should increase the Value and change it to Normal or Magic Damage, or at least only 50% as True Damage. Currently it just feels unfair to play against her.
Short answer: fun to play, fun to learn....satisfying when mastered,
Hot(optional)
Long answer:
Hot as in hot pick or popular pick
Fiora has a nutty leaning phase. It sucks to fight all the time
As an Aatrox OTP, I can confirm that Fiora is a champion.
Never saw her much tho, since she’s my perma ban.
? Fiora isn't even that much of a problem for aatrox
I used to have lots of trouble with fiora, but a random friend told me a seemingly obvious weakness that everyone overlooks - she pushes slow as shit. And if she buys Tiamat then she just fucks herself and I farm under tower. She’s harasses and pokes well in the middle of the lane but not well under your tower. I’m a d2 singed main and I used to play stupid and she’d freeze on me and try to prevent proxy. What I do is sacrifice my life bar early take the hits and gas a few waves. Then back. If I do manage to proxy it’s game over. I also always have time to run back to lane before she can crash her wave and get plating because she pushes a slow as shit. Another weakness - she’s not THAT strong in team fights, she only seems strong if you manage to Int her or get bullied into being behind levels. If you manage to play a high wave clear champ that excels in teamfights she really doesn’t do shit. People are so scared of her parry ability but really that’s her only real defense, then you can fuck her up real easily.
You can't tell people that they need to learn the weakness of the champion and how to abuse it, you have to jump the bandwagon and say that she is turbo broken and should be deleted.
always high quality video. TY!
She is turbo broken, and everytime you win a agem with her in soloQ you should not forget to pay your respects. To the devil of course, who knows what he will do with your soul-contract......
In short. She is broken. She beats you in lane AND outscales you. She is just like Riven or Irelia. Once you are Good enough the enemies only counter play is you as the Fiora screwing up
Percent max health true damage. The literal combination for God tier keywords for damage.
9:29 Honestly Irelia is never truly behind which is what makes her one of the worst champion designs in my opinion.
Her abilities are cool and fun to use, but together they function a little bit too well.
I actually thought she was difficult to use but actually no, she's really easy to pick up and learn
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I 1000% agree with you, she NEEDS to be jinx ulted into next century. But really she NEEDS to be nerfed HARD.
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look at changes that they made to champs in wild rift and rate it
Ah yes melee vayne
i sure love top-laners with % max hp damage!
Against a Fiora, I'm not even remotely sorry for picking Vayne and auto auto Qing her every 5 seconds until she presses B.
But thankfully (kinda ?), I have to deal with even more degenerate champions to bother a good Fiora player. Yes, I'm watching both of you, Olaf and Jax.
As a Fiora main who plays for fun, Ill build prawlers and go HoB when i face a vayne top. Works surprisingly well as soon as i hit the mythic.
@@bywiweit the thing with Vayne is that it's easy with a champ that builds lethality, specially Edge of Night, because she can't E you away anymore.
I remember thinking I could take a Fiora once because I was fully upgraded and super fed on Viktor. The movement speed I gain and the slow she dealt with were not enough and she ran me down 🙃
I despise rush down champs because there is no champion who's actually effective at truly being a rush down counter
I honestly think if they rework singed it should be to absolutely destroy rush down as a counter pick, enhancing the punishment for chasing him
Totally agree, also Fiora is very abusable on low elo because players don't use basic attacks and if you start making short trades in between enemy coodowns its a winable lane and potentially snowball match from there on.
I disagree only for the fact that that is true only if you are super ahead. Or just ahead but team is even. You cant do shit as a top in low elo if enemy bot is super fed without you being super fed yourself.
*Fiora takes very little skill to use at a 'competent' level, however has an EXTREMELY strong early, mid & late game with no discernible weaknesses besides her lack of team fighting capability (which I wouldn't argue isn't even as bad as people make out.). Tanks can't play vs her at any point in the game, Bruisers get outscaled, Juggernauts have about 10 minutes of time to do anything against her. Dualists/split pushers only equal her in a best case scenario. Which is honestly crazy to thing the best case scenario in ANY situation is a literal coinflip. In my opinion she is the worse champion to play against, since there is literally ZERO counter play if they have any idea what they are doing.*
I feel the same way about riven/irelia, however the play rate of these champions is very low, and even lower is the amount of people that can actually play them to a good degree. I can safely say a riven/fiora needs at least 100-300k mastery points to be at the very least competent. You can play 10 games as fiora and abuse her quite easily.
She is my only top lane ban, without fail. I really couldn't care otherwise. If i am filled jungle, or support, she is getting camped all game. Sorry fiora mains, i really do not care.
(p2 player, not great, not terrible)
There is counter to fiora, it is called "ban"
"Tanks can't match her at any point"
Except they all win after bramble until 1 item, and some do beat her after 1 item. And even then fiora can't really shut them down hard, they will still be fine
@@alex2005z no... They really don't.
@@taylorwilson6655 they really do. They just stat check fiora. They cant zone her out of to much, but they win trades
@@alex2005z Then poke and wait and you'll win again lol
one thing you really should go over is how mechanically fun a lot of these champions are. no one will argue that fiora isn't broken by design. But she does require a lot of skill like you said to meet that broken requirements. Fiora, like thresh in support, has an answer for almost every situation in the game. she doesn't win by default, you do have to outplay your opponent and that feels really good. using W at the right time and dancing around with Q to proc vitals feels extremely good and fluid. and that's moreso what it comes down to.
all the other things you talk about I would argue are an important secondary. People look for a fun champ first, and viable after. Fiora is popular because she's extremely fun and fluid AND she's broken.
as a counter point, look at Vayne. no matter the meta she has a huge play rate. and despite popular belief she does not scale that well in every situation. her dps is unreal, but good luck getting that off if the enemy giga out ranges you. But at the very least Vayne, like fiora, feels like she has the tools to outplay anyone even if its not on the level of a fiora.
Sure it's fun but there is no reason for her pasive to be scaling % max health true dmg
>no one will argue that fiora isn't broken by design
I will and I have good reason. Every champ can just fkin hug a wall at worst case. Every commonly played toplaner has either mobility or range big enough to not let Fiora close to the vital and/or ability to play around her riposte. Be it that he can easily give up the stun and sit on it or even better drop it and then dodge the riposte or the stun is instacast.
At early, she does practically no max hp % true damage and isnt that strong and at lategame, juggernauts do the same level of damage regardless whether its physical, magic, true or its directly mental attack.
They are one of the strongest champs, while also being pretty beefy, so in order for not so beefy champ to go toe to toe with them, he gotta have that much higher damage, which coupled with how agile she is, she would be nightmare for any ADC, Assassin and honestly any non juggernaut champ. And therefore, to tune her damage based on who she is facing, there is max HP true damage. Work bit too well against someone like tanks and not so much against full damage melee gods like Yi but against anyone else works splendidly, which is what matters since tanks arent even supposed to face her lmao.
And as you say, she is about outplaying you. She isnt about skillfully abusing broken wombo combo you can do nothing about, cuz comboing isnt outplaying. A combo, she could just learn in practice tool. Moreover, hard to learn doesnt equal to hard to use. Riding bycicle is just as easy as walking but harder to learn. Again, she is about outplaying, so if you get outplayed, its on you first and foremost for not being better, for getting outplayed.
@@nechocat1234 Juggernauts are one of the strongest champs, while also being pretty beefy, so in order for not so beefy champ to go toe to toe with them, he gotta have that much higher damage, which coupled with how agile she is, she would be nightmare for any ADC, Assassin and honestly any non juggernaut champ. And therefore, to tune her damage based on who she is facing, there is max HP true damage. Work bit too well against someone like tanks and not so much against full damage melee gods like Yi but against anyone else works splendidly, which is what matters since tanks arent even supposed to face her.
In short, its not there so she can always beat everyone, she would be tuned to do that. Its there so that there isnt collateral damage, when she is doing so.
Remember when Vayne released and we all thought how cool it is to have another champ with true dmg? Yeah...
1: Hey you know how max health true damage is basically uncounterable? Yeah let's give it to a ranged character
2: Right but they have low mobility to compensate that massive power right?
1: No but to make it fair the dash will also make them invisible
Alternate title: Why EVERYONE hates Fiora.
honestly, i would not mind seeing a "why everyone hates" series. he could either do like he did with shaco and take champs who rated highly on the "most hated champions" poll, or take champs who have a reputation for being frustrating to fight (ex: vayne, teemo, karatina, master yi, yasuo, akali). it could also help cover champions who are not rare enough for a "why no one plays" or common enough for a "why everyone plays"
How was this not a video before 😂😂
%HP true damage is the worst thing about her
They'd have to gut her defenses so hard and nerf her W so that she's actually high risk right now she's so safe
I miss old pre VGU Fiora.
meanwhile malphite beating fiora, in early, mid and late game just by existing
5:54 "full-on _Saving Private Ryan_ " 😂😂😂😂
Fiora's the type of character who you feel dirty for playing... She's so broken that winning with her feels unsatisfying to the point of being almost hollow.
Speak for yourself .
except if your name is Andrei I guess
@@andrei-cezarbleaje5519he speaks for all people of honor
honestly she is just a very overloaded champion with a toxic kit.
You should make a tier list of the best and worst ults for Sylas to steal
Finally a new synapse video
She is also one of the most banned top laners of all time. One of the overpowered waifu of top lane - karen
Every time I’m reminded fiora’s existence I feel soo happy that I perma ban her
Top 3 reasons to hate fiora:
1 : france doesn't even exist in runeterra but they still made her french
2 : she fences wrong. When lunging in fencing you make a forward lunge by putting one leg foreword and exteting your arm. you do not displace yourself. also that isnt even how parries work in fencing. THERE ARE SPECFIIC PARIIES FOR SPECIFIC ATACKS.
3 : Demacian
I once got in a full build 1v1 with pre nerf S10 rav-hydra on both of her and my red Kayn. Only reasons i managed to win after a long as hell 1v1 was the ungodly healing and 5 second cd of W of full build red Kayn allowing me to CC her on every other W
If they really want Fiora to have a duelist theme, they need to make her DUEL, not just win 1v1's. Of course she should still be a strong duelist, but it should be the better 1v1'er wins, not the one with max health true damage
Oh yes, just make a champion that can only 1v1 people and isn't even that good at it. Like what is the idea behind that? Fiora has an incredible amount of skill expression that you can work around. All the parry mindgames and all the positioning mechanics.
I know this is gunna sound obvious as fuck but there is actually one way to mitigate her damage and it’s called… not letting her hit your vitals.
If you’re out of her q range? She can’t hit her vital. If she’s stunned? She can’t hit the vitals . If you walk back like 5 ft and reset the vital? She can’t hit her vital. If you stand against a wall? She can’t hit her vital. If you kill her? She can’t fucking hit the vital…
There are ways to avoid taking damage that don’t just include right clicking an armor item in your shop tab…
She's completely overloaded
Yeah, too many things... She can dash, has MS ( she needs otherwise opponent could just walk away with every second vital, which is still somewhat doable RN ) and has uno card and... And does damage! Would be much better if everyone was just next copy of garen. Tho Garen also does quite few things. ( HP regen, MS, slow cleanse, silence, Shield, innate resists, tenacity, dmg reduction, armor shred, aoe damage. Massive true damage. ). Lmao.
Ah yes, the duelist that is built to fight multiple people with ease and dive me under tower when one extra kill
I love how the wholesome duelist can outpace my PD navori Kaisa kiting because wholesome bruiser CDR items get her Q to a 2 second cooldown
Top laner here, despite it being a coin flip lane I'm very heavily against dodging for me personally. The only 2 situations I actually will dodge are when I am forced to first pick a tank and my laner goes Vayne or Fiora
I have no issue with tough match ups hell loosing matchups are a part of a top laners balanced breakfast bc 9 times out of 10 you just play back its really that fuckin simple. You scale, get to a solid point, and then you can atleast contest the lane no problem
But with those 2 nightmares, you could play your lane absolutely perfectly, have insane farm with 0 deaths and you will still be in a hopeless position 40 minutes in.
For the entire game you and your role are rendered completely worthless as in team fights the one who is supposed to protect their team and carries become nothing more than a free gold generator for the Fiora/Vayne and I absolutely refuse to play that
i still remember that game in ARAM where vayne was decimating our team, and i, the cho'gath, was the only one who bothered to actually focus her. not a fun game
Love how the champs they gave max health true damage to are some of the most mobile in the game too
How about a "Why no one plays Shyvana"
This video made me heavily consider playing fiora more, also I'd love to see a video of why everyone plays: lulu and kog'maw together.
She has everything, a high skill ceiling, a good early, mid, late game, percent based true damage, built in counter CC stasis ability, team heals, and dashes
Fiora is everyone's mommy who is very strict to her kids.
Ahhh fiora, i remember when in the K'sante gameplay trailer she almost kill him under tower and took like 10 tier 3 tower shots and he was like with 5% Hp... and that was his trailer was suposed to make him look good and almost gets humillated in his trailer
Ksante is actually aids tho, ksante is the yone of tanks, high mobility, no counterplay, obnoxious kidnapping ult, unkillable and ridiculous damage
I still can't get my head around the fact that with enough practice and AD you can proc her ult in less than a sec and deal 110+% max hp true damage.
And remember, it's her true damage + her abilities and autoattacks + her items.
Actual response in the comments I saw
"Just pick Poppy"
@@ethanstyant9704poppy has a good matchup into fiora, she basically doesn't have q half the time and you have enough burst to destroy her
@@bullettime1116 fioras dash is on a lower cd than poppy's sole damage ability
@@ethanstyant9704 not with w up, I've played poppy vs fiora, as long as you have a brain she can't lane
As a Fio main, I can confirm, we hate ourselves
Best way to counter MaxHP true damage is sheilds. Get Steraks for example instead of her needing 5 vitals for 20% HP true damage each she will need 7 to break the Sterak sheild.
That is why i play camille more often into fiora, camille has good ability to keep up with her and thanks to nuke of true dmg is only ability that keeps with fiora's passive
Camille has abilities and passive to keep her healthy in that match up
It is free win in lane if fiora goes for conqurer because in trades, you dont proc it almost at all and vs camille, it is mandatory to get grasp 90% of time
4:22 technically shields like mordekaiser's W also counter true damage
Thank you, I will take this advice and build *Mordekaiser W* on Ornn when playing against her in the future.
@@murkel7634 haha
@@murkel7634 try sterak's gage
What exactly isn't mitigated via shields? Even if using things like Sterak's Gage it wouldn't be at all useful since Fiora has accessible %max health true damage everytime
@@jotasso21 that depends on the shield. The only one which mitigates true damage is the white one
Can you please do a next why everyone plays/no one plays on Shen? I'd really love to hear your views on Shen as he's a champion a lot of people love to play but a lot of people find boring. Love your content and would love to see your opinion on Shen 🤗
Turret plates basically nerfed Shen
A macro-centric champion in top lane is almost always doomed to be unpopular
Alternative title: why fiora is broken - a rant
a 3 item fiora can "beat down" a full build orn/sion (thats not the full story) she 1 shots them like they are a squishy adc
Can yorick theoretically counter a fiora? Modern yorick build focuses on keeping distance in lane and using ghouls to long range harass. With w you can create terrain to block vitals, force fiora to dash in or out of it, and it should be able to take her q auto targeted attack. Yorick doesn't have any hard control for her to counter either, and while she can attack fast enough to deal with his ghouls the fact that maiden won't have vitals and attacks from range would force her to split her attention in combat.
If you get a lead, yeah. But a good Fiora will zone you away from the wave, use her dash to dodge your e, dash out of your cage, etc. Fiora doesn’t have a true counter, other than maybe wukong or tryndamere,
It’s not terrible but against a good Fiora it’ll still be rough. HOWEVER, Yorick does have a higher winrate in general vs Fiora so clearly not completely terrible
Yes. Build a bramble vest and you win for quite a while.
@@rexravsten2626fiora does have true counters. Malphite is unplayable, rammus is super annoying, irelia is super hard to beat if she knows what she is doing...
GG old Fiora portrait art, got the crimson chin cruella devil Fiora instead.
ever considered making a vid on "Why no one plays Eve?" Surprsingly her pick rate is actually lower than nocturne (5.1% pick rate and abt 98k games played for noc and 4.1% pick rate and 78k games played for eve as of 29/4/23). Found this especially interesting since she's considered meta right now with a 13.7% ban rate lmao. Some reasons off my head as an eve main are:
- reliance on team to survive her weak early game
- niche playstyle
this and WNOP are my favorite series ever :(
I think the best counter to flora is shields and heals. luluu is nice bc polymorph is hard to repost and the shields are easy to block vitals.
0:43 (The 4 Horewomen) should made that joke vars like nowdays meta (skin seller champs) is MarksWomen also want to point out that fiora Passiv is sorta silly like Tryndameres passive since heavy rng in Early lvl 3 can win u lane
Ur 4 horsewomen of top lane needs to be updated, because Gwen pretty much fits in that list too.
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