The Problem with LE SSERAFIM
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 7 มิ.ย. 2024
- LE SSERAFIM have been having a tough time lately and many people think that there are specific problems within the group.
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I mean with these vocals you can’t not expect them to be criticised…
Most of Hybe groups need vocal training.
I feel like a lot of ppl in Kpop need training. I've heard like actual Korean singers and they're on another level
Hard to be always on diet. Be good looking, good dancers plus singer .
@@rahulratra6040 wendy went on a diet that makes her looks thinner than anyone in lsrfm yet she can outsing the whole 4th gen, so....
But they choose to do anything but singing.@@rahulratra6040
@@rahulratra6040there are endless examples of idols that are 10 times bussier than this group and have 10 times the vocal skill💀
Not gonna lie, their encore stage is a uhmmm..... hard to watch 🥲🥲🥲
it was so painful
TBH
I was so ready to defend the girls when I heard about it. After watching their encore though, I was shocked. 🫢
I love them but that was really bad.
Ikr
Some of their live performances posted by the company are edited, heavily edited. They have all the money they want to pay for professional singing lessons, but yet they dont take the opportunity to use the money for that.
hybe edited newjeans recording behind the scenes, deleted one of the bts on stage, deleted jimins encore 😂 so its not suprising
Yeah, it's not that they are bad singers, they use ALOT of autotune, and just can't do low register notes, easy is basically the same as fearless, they do insane cheorography, they sing too low of notes that makes it hard for them to execute it well. It doesn't help because on their encore, they try and help by dancing and interacting with fans, to try to avoid singing, they need some more vocal practice defo
even idols at other companies dont just rely on their company's vocal lessons but they themselves book or hire a third party vocal trainer bc theyre passionate about improving
Most of the live performances in kpop are somewhat edited because lets be honest here most of the idols can't sing at all, very few in kpop can actually sing💀
Typical HYBE. The gross thing about it is that HYBE thinks they can get away with it.
If you are a singer, you should be able to sing, period.
true, but an kpop idol also encompasses being able to dance/perform.
@@keithy13were not asking them to be perfect but being this bad is actually crazy especially during encores when theyre basically just standing
@@amalou3382you’re basically are asking them to be perfect. Sorry not everything can’t fit your narrative/opinion
@@csahagun20 not asking them to be perfect just to sound decent. Is that much to ask?
@@amalou3382 they do sound decent BUT y’all are criticizing them on JUST clips of them singing. They’ve BEEN singing LIVE since debut and they were praised then NOW since they’re successful HATERs want to HATE
the fact that this isn't even all the controversies during this era should not be unnoticed. HYBE should actually take some action instead of ignoring it ...
They are using YG strategy, the more controversial the more unpaid publicity but Disney and Marvel have showing us that bad publicity is bad publicity and can ruin movies, images and projects.
Or ask Jennie, with YG trowing her around everywere with dumb scandals people dissliked her a lot tothe point of call her untalented. I claim she lacks professionalism and taste in some of her works but she has a hell lot of talent.
Sorry but other controversies are just as stupid as how Korean netizens bullied Karina for dating someone.
They noticed that ignoring and doing nothing as the other companies, works fine so they started doing it too.
Companies should stop doing that.
@@dangaoqiuand internationals attacking yunjin for starbucks lol and many death threats
Hybe won't do anything,they don't want all this criticism so that they will be more popular yk
Even though I am a big fan of Sakura, le sserafim can’t perform at Coachella without improving their vocals.
exactly
@@jennietang2241 the global hate train will be brutalllllllll
Exactly, Coachella isn't K-POP oriented and most audiences won't know what to expect from musicians. To them, Le Sserafim's just a girl/boy group like One Direction that should and CAN sing. No matter dance or not, their current level will only make things worse for them and also people's perception of K-Pop.
If you were Sakuras fan you would know that she has a naturally shaky voice. Even when she speaks. This is something that she cannot change overnight. It will take a long time. Or maybe it will stay forever like this? Since it is her natural shaky voice
@@annanowak9620 but u can definitely work on pitch and tone and voice culture - yes it would take time but w a good vocal coach and proper training I think she could get there! I still respect her for her hard work esp dancing but would love to see some improvement in vocals.
I've noticed that they have avoided all live radio performances. Even the most known groups perform and interview on radio shows.
just chaewon went to it.
:/ a pity cuz their voice colors are nice, just not how they sing ..
Because they can’t sing ..
Someone like sakura and kazuha can't even sing
At this point their live singing is EMBARRASSING
SAY IT LOUDERRRRR
Why do these companies keep debuting people who straight up can’t sing, don’t give them training, and leave them to embarrass themselves when asked to sing live.
Or debut idols who had a controversial past.
as i know and heard from most of internet, hybe didnt provide enough (vocal coach, dance coach, rap etc) since they want their trainee to find out their true colours and develped mostly by theirself rather than company did to them.
@@parkarin6743 that's an excuse if I ever heard one. Sure, let's say they really mean that. But a bunch of these idols have no talent in singing/rapping to begin with. The word "trainee" itself has the word "train" to mean they should be, you know... TRAINED at certain parts of the job. Teach them the very basic first THEN let them find their "colors".
And then internally harass them for being not good enough
@vell2994 exactly. It's not the company being embarrassed, which they should be... it's the idol. On top of that, mental health is a taboo issue so I don't think they're getting any assistance there either.
Their encore is like me after hearing my own voice in karaoke box💀💀
@@Miyawakisakura77 dude stop hating are u a toxic netizen??
@@Miyawakisakura77fix your fave’s talent first
Y’all twins fr
@@Miyawakisakura77Okay gurl talk yo shit
@@Miyawakisakura77lmao sudden personal attack.
As Xiumin said, the most important thing for an idol is to be able to sing. I'm a fan, but Sakura can't sing. Maybe her speaking style is nasal, maybe her voice training has been wrong so far, etc. but it doesn't change the result. While expecting to hear things like "I will get a better training, I will improve myself" in return, the answer she gives is "My own happiness is the most important thing right now, I want to enjoy the present, I will not see things that will upset me." Even if she doesn't want to see the truth it doesn't mean it's not there.
She is a legendary singer,no excuse.
@@dhsf5937LMAOO UR A JOKE
@@dhsf5937 bro stop being so defensive and just accept the fact that they can't sing like how hard is that
@@dhsf5937bro if that's legendary for you then you are literally tone deaf
I am not saying they sing well. But the belief that the most important thing for an idol is to be able to sing is debatable. Obviously, thats not how the kpop industry works.
I think Hybe thinks Le sserafim is popular enough to survive no matter what and it's very unfair to the youngest member Eunchae as she is a minor wearing all these revealing clothes😢
No hate BTW
Just my concerns for the members because they are the ones getting all the hate 😟
no hybe think le sserafim is like blackpink
@@user-zv8fu9kb4ei think that too
No they don't 💀we dont need a blackpink problematic repeat@user-zv8fu9kb4e
She's 18 this year
@@monicamed285 but shes not NOW during this era when shes being s3ggsualised.
they seriously need to work on their vocal...you cannot expect to not get criticism with this kinds of vocal......its feel like hybe and girls are not even acknowlede that
I think ONLY hybe needs to acknowledge, cause the girls do! take sakura's latest welive for example:
she kept telling us to only focus on the good parts whether only thinking abt the bad stuff
it means she SAW all the criticism and the harsh words online, but she rather think positively so this can push her harder to improve where she "lacks", that's the mindset that not only her but all the members take to themselves while HYBE doesn't give them the ressources they need to improve both as idols and artists and believe, they CAN!
Yea exactly other groups under hybe have improved in vocals but not them
@@melodieluanepaula but other groups under hybe..improved their vocals soo much..they are doing soo much better why they sucks?..and It been soo long... How they gonna represent korea in lollapalooza??..and i blv we cannot clap with One hand..soo.... We just cannot blame the whole thing on company and protect them as they are not trying to improve themself
@@ri-kb1ue Which other groups are you talking about? Lesserafim is only in their second year so they still have time to improve their vocals. You can't expect everyone to improve at the same rate.
@@MissNAL_1 except Sakura continues to improve her skills for 10 years😅
Why are people so surprised? Hybe does not care about talent they only care about visuals… and they won’t do anything to improve their vocals because they already are popular just because they come from Hybe. Kpop stopped being about music a long time ago, now it’s just about modeling.
Hybe focus more on 3 min songs, TikTok dances and aesthetics’s
If Hybe really cared, they would've never disbanded such skilled group Gfriend
lol what. ?
@@orenji13 it’s the truth🤷♀️
Thankfully this "k-pop is only appearances" is a hybe exclusive thing 🤭 SM and other companies keep he training in line and delivers quality over quantity.
In regards to Yunjin's outfits- I don't have something against it aside from how ugly it looks and how I don't think's its comfortable to perform with open pants either.
But it's natural why Sistar19 and (G)I-DLE didn't get the same heat: all the members are adults & have a more mature fanbase. Sistar19 has been around for YEARS and (G)I-DLE's more political music does translate into a more college aged fanbase.
@@mc1069bro been saying these words since forever lmao she didn't change any shit btw
@mc1069 she didn't change anything 💀...sis even got into hot water for supporting Starbucks 2 times. She should really do something that would change the industry but so far she hasn't
@@mc1069she hasn't changed anything and just because she is trained in opera doesn't make her the best singer in 4th gen because that title belongs to lily of nmixx, who is a much better singer.
@@mc1069so her being a "classically trained opera singer" which she confirmed herself that she isn't and being a good dancer has changed the industry in what sense exactly. She's literally like every other idol to exist
@@mc1069 atp i don't know who's more delulu - yunjin or her fans
“Black appropriation” 😂 it’s KPOP, a large chunk of it is hip hop inspired.
Duhhh
Right! All of it is cultural stealing!
literally
And you never see African people complaining about it, it's always the wannabe white saviors complaining 🤣
Does mean that they can appropriate ??
@@k1ny4n19no but a lot of stuff that stans name as "appropriation" is not actually that's why. They like to be dramatic and drag the terms out of it's meaning
You wouldn't wanna know what happened at Coachella 💀
:’v
Oh no... what? Do I actually not want to know?
@user-wj7yu9in4l I did go and watch it. It wasn't as bad as people made it look like, but it wasn't good. They had good energy and vibes throughout, but the singing was awful. So some good and some bad.
The fact that sakura recently said that she has taken singing classes for the first time after 10 years in the industry, 10 fckn years... HYBE idols are really image/popularity based and throw away any musical talent.
when did she said that and where?
@ditto74877 right?
"Recently" = predebut era, so more than 2 years ago. Let's be honest.
Girl can sing in low register and has a limited range, which is fine. People just like to bash her bc of her tone, which she cannot change w training nor magic. She's literally said in the documentary that she is sad and doesn't want lines, yet people keep insulting her like she's some kind of lazy person. Y'all need to leave her alone.
@@aronhelios1734she had years to get training, she chose not to.
Kpop has been lacking alot of genuinely talented singers compared to 2nd and 3rd gen. And people still wonder why kpop album sales have been going down. Smh
@@fallagainn1220yes kpop has lost the chinese market, so what companies need to do is to appeal to the general public like they use to before the 4th generation to keep the industry strong. In order to do this they need to produce groups with undeniable talent and music that appeals to the masses. After the massive global success of BTS and Blackpink you would think companies would put more effort into their groups. But now we got groups who lipsynch non stop, cant sing while standing in place, and make noise music. The fact that kpop is popular on a global scale but still has lower album sales just shows how kpop has failed to appeal to general audiences who should be the main money maker, not the die hard fans who mass stream their faves music just to break records.
@@Xile179BINGO! Companies are pushing out anything for a quick buck and western validation instead of focusing on appealing to the audience as a whole. It’s all so superficial now and unfortunately, innocent young performers are the face of it all
@@Xile179because kpop will always be a niche, it will never reach mainstream, BTS and Blackpink are a rarity not a daily occurence🤷♀️
@@BELIEVER78989THANK YOU!! They’re acting like other gens didn’t also have less talented idols. Also new gen groups are reaching fame more than the others ever did so?
Now you have to search every group to see if they can sing or not because big groups are influencing the whole kpop
Imma be honest, it’s about the music first for me. If I’m gonna be streaming something and especially if I want to listen to a song a second time, it has to sound good. That’s just it. Sure stage presence and dancing can be important elements of a performance but we don’t see any of that when we’re playing the song in our headphones. There’s gotta be good singers in the group, and not just 1 or 2. These are supposed to be the best of the best trainees after all.
yeah, would İ go to their concert? No. But am İ going to listen to a song İ like? ofc.
They are NOT as good as Hybe think they are. They are talented but they are not good enough for the kind of exposure Hybe is forcing on them. Don’t get me wrong, they are more talented than half of us combined, but they have no control over their voices, pitch, their voice is unstable and that live singing was horrendous. I am happy they are getting more popular which each comeback but I personally think the Hype they got due to Antifragile was the worst thing that could happened to them.
Bang Si Hyuk wants to one up Min Hee Jin so badly. it must've hurt his ego how one of his subsidiary effortlessly overshadowed his billion dollars legacy, doing the opposite things he believe in
@@KhanhDinh291 there is nothing pettier than a grown man throwing a tantrum because his ego was bruised. The sad part is that others will pay for it.
People are talking about vocal training, vocal training but I think people are so used to manufactured artists, they forgot that you need some actual talent to be a singer. All the vocal training in the world isn't going to help, if the person has no singing ability whatsoever. Back in the day, people just had the talent THEN producers spotted/scouted them and brought them into the entertainment industry, not the other way around.
Yes for real. And even if the talent was crap, it's still work out.
that is true, but also some vocal coaches have said that the voice is like a muscle and indeed anyone can sing a lot better if they train, now it depends on the type of training every person needs and which are the best coaches
I'm not saying lssf is the only 4th gen group that can't sing live, but a lot of groups CAN sing live. Stray Kids, Ateez, ONEUS, Itzy, Gidle, Nmixx, Aespa, Purple Kiss... Decent live singing SHOULD be the norm instead of a special talent of a particular group.
I always see you everywhere!😂 and damn right Oneus can sing live. All the groups youve mentioned as well as Monsta X
@@oneusyandere5005I'm trying to avoid revising for my exams LMAO that's why I'm just everywhere on youtube
@@tomoonhk Lol well i wish you good luck on your exams fellow Tomoon. 😀
The Vocal part is my problem with the group. I think they should work on it.. It’s a constructive criticism.
Yeah same here. I’ve always been a fan of SM artists for that reason alone. Plus I feel like they bring a more engaging performance because they bring a really high standard for themselves. I feel like all artists should have the mentality that SM artists have for themselves.
Even tho I am not le sserafims fan I don't under why people don't want to acknowdlege their other encores. I was curious so I checked their last encore stage and they did a very good job. Same level of singing encore as other 383637 idols that have to sing live.
But I agree that hybe should prioritize singing
@@annanowak9620🤣🤣🤣 be honest girl
@@sofiawindiyanti5027they are being honest girl 😂 yall just want to hate and not acknowledge that they’re trying.
Honestly their managers should know their vocal range and how far they can go performing it. If not they have to train or make another song suitable for them!!
If you're a LE SSERAFIM fan like myself, you need to understand that homegirls struggle to sing. It's like being a mechanic but can't distinguish a wrench from a screwdriver, it's your job to sing, the way you make your living and you can't do that?
They'll easily keep doing better and better since K-POP is no longer about talent, it's about who's company got money to make the artist as big as possible in terms of numbers but all the recent controversies have and will continue to hurt them.
HYBE needs to stop self-destructing what actually make K-Pop stand out as a genre and go back to what made BTS what they are, to what made TWICE, BLACKPINK, Red Velvet etc. what they are, actual good music, ability to perform and great personalities (at least on camera). HYBE are trying so hard to take the western approach and just make good beats with a catchy hook and that's it.
@@fallagainn1220 I agree that K-Pop has been inspired by the western sound since the genres origins but groups have managed to gain popularity and notoriety without the western sound being heavily implemented. Either way, the success you have mentioned isn't in any shape or form comparable to the second gen and third gen groups that came before HYBE's 4th gen groups. Yes, they sell well but they don't have that big of a fanbase. Their numbers are heavily boosted by the company (HYBE's not the only one to do this).
Exactly
But they did well im other performances. Even the last encore stage was great
Just the first one was bad
Isn't YG the one who started this western sounding catchy beats songs🤔
@@fallagainn1220i disagree a bit about where kpops influence came from. It came from jpop originally, not western. Western came after.
They are idols and it's their job and i think the criticism they are getting for their bad vocals are deserving
Even tho I am not le sserafims fan I don't under why people don't want to acknowdlege their other encores. I was curious so I checked their last encore stage and they did a very good job. Same level of singing encore as other 383637 idols that have to sing live.
@@user-gr6ku3xf5b still they are stable now
@@annanowak9620because they’d rather hate on them for their popularity and pretend it’s valid criticism. They’re hiding behind that excuse.
As someone who mainly listens to SM artists when I saw their encore stage , it was really a culture shock to me as Im used to SM artists who have fun and sounds amazing at the same on their encore stage .I guess SM has raised my standards of what vocalists should sound like . Respectfully , instead of Hybe buying SM , I think they should try and steal or bribe their vocal coaches
Literally this!
As a pink blood Stan for SM. I can tell u that SM vocal coaches is very hard to get poach by hybe because the seniors coaches has been there since day 1. Is the SM water that their artist drinks 🤣😊
😢😢 no please not their senior trainers or else the the standard will go low. SM groups will be in trouble 😭😭😞
SM stans are always dickriding SM like shut up 😂 their company isn’t great either. That’s why they’re being bought out.
SM has always had the best vocalists in the K-pop industry.
they debutted 3 years ago yet they still cant sing...
Ngl HYBE IS MAKING SURE LESSERAFIM GETS ATTENTION REGARDLESS IT BE BAD ATTENTION OR GOOD. THEY BE USING DIRTY TRICKS TO MAKE THEM POPULAR ON THE NEXT LEVEL
just accept that kpop now is just dancers and visual.
Thanks to Hybe who care now only for visuals popularity and focusing on Western like music
if you wander outside the 4 biggest ent there are actually groups in 4tg gen that have superb vocals but because they are under small ent it's hard to get recognized
Hybe’s CEO thinks that the way to be successful is plagarising western artist music. Literally Leserafin started out as a Rosalia copycat, no surprise this group is always plagiarising some other artist and always dealing with cultural appropriation, but Kpop Stan’s are always defending then. Then, NewJeans Plagarising pinkphantheres music. Believe me, it’s no coincidence the minor member is always doing the sexualize movements. People are right, and are ok to question, it is a big deal and people shouldn’t minimize it or quiet them. Lots of pedos in the industry, and it goes darker than you guys think. So, yeah keep questioning them and protecting the minor.
Yess
though i agree with the latter half of your comment, you don't know what plagiarism is.
Rosalia doesn't own reggaeton, PinkPantheress doesn't own UK garage, Tyla doesn't own amapiano, etc. The produces are certainly hopping on trends but by no means are they plagiarizing or being a copycat of another artist
Sounding similar doesn't mean plagiarism
Kpop stans when they discover what genre is:
You: 😮
But with both Le Seraffim's Eunchae and the way New Jeans is being handled, I do fear there must be some predators who are high up in HYBE's ranks to be able to exploit both their label and the sub-labels minors.
Really, take these girls away from HYBE, they need to be protected from these disgusting creeps.
I get where you're coming from, but I don't think it's just about HYBE. Starting out young in the entertainment industry with parental consent is pretty normal. Sakura was 12 when she debuded in Japan, Wonyoung was 13, Taemin was 14, BOA was 13 and the list goes on. They all debuted super young.
Protecting them should definitely be a priority, though.
@@TsChryssaAlso, something that sp many forget to even ask or look into... As of the beginning of this year, yes... it's no longer used. But prior to that, and regarding any numbers, particularly when it comes to ages, that were given in all prior years.... I gotta ask, was the Korean ages system being used? Chances are... Yes. Now, this age issue is NOT new, it never has been as you just said. However, if this is the case, if that's the way in which he those numbers were figured, then this would also mean that it's technically grtting BETTER, not worse. It would mean all those ages given need to be reduced, by at LEAST a year, to be accurate. Moreover, any idols whose birthday is in the last few months of the year, need to be reduced by TWO years. People forget... THIS here is the reason why idols all look like babies, this is why they all look so young for their age. THEY ARE. An idol that debuted a couple years ago at 15.... may very well STILL BE 15. Even right now, without the Korean age system in place, how many of these idols ages are we still incorrectly gagging? Because I am positive that not EVERYONE is managing to CONSISTENTLY do the research into what year every idol was born and ensuring that whenever they give that idols age to someone who isn't a fan or just doesn't know any better, whether or not it is accurate. Not to mention all of the countless articles and abandoned no longer updated Idol profiles that are out there, still baring their "Krorean age" instead of their international ones. I guarantee that no one is out there fixing ANY previous occasions in which their age was reworded via Korean age system. I'm just wondering, how many of these ages do we actually have wrong. I find if weird that this hasn't been thoroughly delt with to the point that whenever the topic gets brought up about these idols ages, that people aren't giving their age followed by something like *accurate* or *verified* or even just their birth year instead of their age, make other people do the math, at least then we would all know that we are getting their age correct. (Assuming they can in fact do math lol)... I'm just saying, if their ages are so important to these people, they owe it to them and the cuase to at least be getting them right. Don't they? Because I think if this was corrected, we really would find that it's actually NOT as bad as it once was when it comes to the average age of debut. And in fact, it's been getting better. Don't get we wrong, I do think we really should be advocating for the acceptance of idols who not only work far into their 30, or longer if they so choose. But also that they are able to debut at those games too. However, I think that we need to first see that it's not as bad as we seem to think it is right now, either. If you reduce the ages of ALL active idols prior to 2022 by 1-2 years (which, again, depends on whether or not they were born more towards the end of the year). Then you may very well find that, on average, the ages of the idols debuting since then are NOT worse, perhaps even BETTER than they were before. Just saying... if the age matters, then at least don't have ass the give a damn. Right? Lol
There’s literally nothing wrong with the way NewJeans is being handled 💀 They’re being treated a LOT better than most idols in the industry
Maybe it's not pd's idea but Scooter's. He sucks, he detroyed JB's career.
the way nj is being treated better than any other idols☠️
Who shocks me the most is Sakura. Htf does this women KNOW she can’t sing for sh!t (she admitted this in a video whilst sobbing), and yet she still hasn’t improved?? I mean, she used to work with IZONE members so what has happened since then/since training??
I really am baffled lol.
A reason might be that HYBE simply has bad vocal teachers. I’ve also heard from many other fans that HYBE idols (not all) tend to have worse vocals than SM, JYP, YG, and other companies. If a person clearly wants to improve (and are not struggling from health issues), and they’re not improving, what’s the obstacle besides a lack of a good teacher, laziness, and/or a too packed schedule? And even if they have a packed schedule, if they’re receiving such criticism, then the company should be making room for more teaching to improve the vocals. Considering Sakura could have stayed in Japan to pursue opportunities there after IZ*One disbanded, yet chose to continue in South Korea where many things are more complicated shows that she’s definitely not lazy. Therefore, the main reason is likely HYBE.
Edit: Honestly with all the money HYBE has, they should hire ex-SM vocal teachers. I’m sure many HYBE idols who want to improve their vocals would appreciate that.
agreed. to not have the bare minimum skill needed to be good at your job and still go for the job where youre going to be perceived by millions, is wild to me. i think shes a nice girl but her voice just isnt nice for singing, no matter how much training.
like seriously how do you do something for 13 years straight and somehow still manage to NOT IMPROVE even a little? at this point i assume she is trying her hardest to NOT improve in her singing, you can't do something for over a decade and not get better at it without intentionally holding yourself back.
Smart is inspired from WATER. It's not a plagiarism but they need to admit the inspiration
true
They r about to perform in Coachella and with that vocal, We really don't k how that performance would be
Pls dont say fans were "complaining" about the sexualisation of Eunchae, its not "complaining" its concern, theyre making a minor wear smaller clothing and have her shake her butt and sway her hips in a seductive manner, its weird and gross
Why is it always girl groups that catch so much hate for having bad vocals when most male idols can’t sing at all. That encore wasn’t even close to worst of what I’ve seen. I actually think by kpop standards it was ok
I think both should be addressed
both are an issue. and if that was "ok" by kpop standards, then the standards are awful
Jimin's encore stage was also hated on (fairly) and hes in one of, if not the largest, kpop groups ever
real 💀
hybe needs to do something about it bc the hate is obviously gonna get to her and that will make her even more scared to sing plus could harm her mental with all the comments
@Ezel5248 The problem with this is that she, and HYBE to a lesser extent, has already come out and said that she doesn't actively look at or try to find any criticisms on her as a performer. Yes, she's a solid dancer. Yes, she's very pretty. But those things alone can't and won't make me like them. They have to be a decent singer with good control from the top to the bottom of their range. Even when I was in chorus, I wasn't ever the best naturally, but I still tried my best and I worked hard at it to get better. I'd like to think I learned at least something from that time.
Add to that she's got the second-least lines out of the group and it feels like she should not be making those mistakes. It kinda feels like how Itzy Yuna was being criticized because of her not being a "good" singer and then that led to her falling out of confidence.
When Garam left I knew there would be a hole they'd need to fill with one of the others and it wouldn't be the same after she left. I hate to say I wasn't wrong.
It's not even that Garam is a good singer, it's just that she was very passionate about singing and becoming a better singer. I think Sakura definitely knows the basics of singing at least, but she also has to be able to get someone else who is experienced and who will actually help Sakura get better at singing.
Why was stray kids part of the hype groups picture you put up they are in jyp😂
So glad to finally find a comment section on this that isn't sugarcoating things.
They have all the resources, money, and connections they could ask for, as they're under one of the most popular entertainments of their kpop generation. Sakura has even more connections as well as reasons to *want* to do well as she's been in a couple groups and has had a global following for *yearsss*. There is absolutely no excuse as to why they're fumbling the bag this hard.
Let's not forget that Yunjin and Chaewon are known for their good vocals. Not that Chaewon has been doing bad, in my opinion her vocals are baseline / decent during live stages. But I'm more disappointed in Yunjin, as well as her attitude these days. She can sing *opera* ffs, why does it sound like she isn't putting any effort into performing? I feel like she's lost touch or something because she's doing a lot of things nobody would expect of her *(wearing a tied scarf like a durag and doing "hip" poses, drinking starbucks during a boycott while exhibiting performative activism, her vocal performance, etc)*. I'm not upset at her wearing "inappropriate clothing", as it's her body and I'm all for idols actually feeling comfortable in their own skin for once, but these other things... I don't know how to feel.
Kpop groups aren’t music groups, they are dance groups
yes is all about visual it seems
They surely anticipated the critique on Kkura's vocals from the start, but let's not forget her powerhouse status in Korea and Japan. And sure, Euncahe is a minor, but we're talking about a country that only upped its age of consent from 13 to 16, like, five years ago. I think the real challenge is them adjusting to the idea that K-pop is now a global thing, and they gotta rethink their usual way of doing things. What we might consider inappropriate in Western culture may not be perceived the same way in theirs. As a huge fan of the girls, I wouldn't change Kkura. But honestly, if you're not into a group, you can just skip listening to them. In K-pop, it's not just about vocals - if it were, groups like Mamamoo, Fromis 9, Purple Kiss, and Billlie would be way more appreciated. So, there's definitely more to it than just vocals.
totally agree
Me too well said
Sakura is always famous from the beginning
NMIXX*
@@ReapingWillow oh my God Y E S! NMIXX is definitely underrated, but sometimes their songs didn't quite hit the mark, which probably played a part in that too.
It's kinda ironic to to think that from Gfriend a very well vocally trained group from source music had a few scandals and got disbanded w/o any warning , Source music failed. Then there's Le sserafim, Source Music failed again protecting the girls, I just couldn't help but compare and see the commonality because there's a on going cycle that Source Music and Hybe is doing to girl groups,I love all the members but when will the issues and scandals stop and their company actually doing something about it???
Honestly as A Fearnot, Thay have To Improve and There is A minor Eunchae, the company Forgot That Eunchae is Still young giving Revealing clothes and not saving Lesserafim from Controversy's, in This Come back (easy) Its got Worst , Maybe cuz They changed Music style and Giving more And More Revealing Clothes , I Bet They are Forced Old Lesserafim Is Not Like This When they debuted They are So good and It getting worst and Worst , even Compamy is Not changing or reacting to It So We have to protect Them, instead of Sending trucks Outside of the Company For dating and Hating Things, we can send Trucks For asking Company Focus on Idols And Save Minor idol's , Kpop is turning into Western Pop Mostly in these Days Let's Grab Old kpop and Protect Our Idols, + I think recent Comeback Is Not Suitable concept Comback for lesserafim I think cuz they slayed in Old Days this Comeback got Into Worst Controversy than i though
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@@Aelist12 Ya we have to protect our idol cuz company's cant
What if they can't improve are you constantly gonna hate on them? How about you just ignore their flawed existence if they bother you so much.
@@YeahKpopstan ғʀ ᴛʜᴇ ᴄᴏᴍᴘᴀɴʏ ɴᴇᴇᴅ ᴛᴏ ᴜɴᴅᴇʀsᴛᴀɴᴅ
@@whiteRiceSupremacist excuse me I didn't said I hate them Bcz They Are Not Improved , It's Lack Of practice I think, in The Debut Times They are Good , If they Realize They will be a Good Group again , Comapny have to focus On idols
The thing is they arent giving constructive critism they are straight up bullying and harassing them
Worried about them? You don't know the matters..
You still baby
Agree. I understand criticism, but it is not what's happening. It must be some internal woman hate going on, cause as soon as female idol groups start to gain some popularity people start to hunt them down like crazy. Mostly woman hating on other woman. So tragic.
Exactly. But trust, because it’s Lesserafim, people will pay no mind and downplay everything as “constructive criticism.” Because when it comes to this group, anyone can say ANYTHING and everybody in other Kpop fandoms will agree.
@@yunny_0.0_bunny-rj3ts YUP. They’re awful to these girls as if they aren’t young girls trying their best who don’t have a lot of control on top of that.
You can give constructive criticism without being rude and nasty and a lot of these people don’t understand that.
I don't know much about this Kpop group in particular so I don't have much to say, but I do hope that they'll continue to improve and thrive as much as possible! ❤🥰
I think the moves being appropriate or not has to be more with how dirty people's minds are. I've really enjoyed watching the choreo, because it has beautiful traditional afro caribean moves, and they're very well executed. It reminds me of my childhood because in the caribean is normal to learn those dances in school.
I've been thinking the same too. I have black background and to see how the girls executed some moves, I was blown away, they look super cute but i think lately there's an agenda to find inappropriate things without the intention being there
@@melochita06my with younger idol there definitely is but what companies doing things they know is not going to be accepted by the industry and try to target more on the older audiences and for cultures of the dance that’s not always the peoples fault to call it out either if they are still seeing a teenager in high school do moves that are not accepted but it’s subjective on both parts then.
@@Dark_velvet1696there is a funny irony to this
Japan and Korea were extremely liberal in their erotic art and culture but the disgust of Britain led to a certain change that is now known as “tentacle porn”… nowadays Britain does not care for erotic imagery and dancing while Korea is now ultra conservative like a Victorian
It all comes down to 2 things make good songs that people like because is doesn't matter if your vocals are amazing if your singing a boring song its not gonna do well . And 2nd this is the most important one if you dont like them and the way they sing (or dont sing) than move the f*** on lol go support your favorites instead of wasting time on hate posts and comments and use that energy to support who you do like 🤷♀️
Not kookelit calling Kendal Jenner an influencer 😂
She is tho….
@@chaeberii well it your opinion I respect but she also a model
You can be both.
Keeping Up With the Kardashians thirteen seasons agrees with kookelit!
Well
Same old shit over and over again, a group gets popular , sings bad or sth else controversial happens - le gasp, how dare they 😂 it’s Kpop , these are entertainers , not singers primarily. Not all of them will be great singers. It has been like this in pop music for ages, not just in Kpop, there are only a few artists who have extraordinary vocals. Unclench a bit, people.
Also, the age thing - as long as there is no common approach to this in all pop media, this shit will happen over and over again. You can’t get scandalised selectively. Agencies see that nobody cares when it comes to other industries, they are gonna try this shit anyway. Why not start with scrutinising this practice starting from western industries, which is more influential and powerful, since whatever the trend is in there will spill over to others. This desentralized outrage will not help, will blow over as usual, and netizens will simply move over to getting outraged at yet another group, and another and another. That’s just both pathetic and sad at the same time
“They are entertainers not singers” exactly what stans who idolizes ppl who can’t sing would say. If they’re not singers, then why tf are they in frigging KPOP? Your fave should just be in comedy bars instead.
Entertainers where?? I don't see them being a fixed member on any korean show..
Mediocre idols deserve mediocre fans that clap hands for whatever they do... Just like circu's monkeys. If I stan a singer, They should sing!
@@billliealimI think it's funny how you weirdos say these idols can't sing when you know damn well it's all relative. They're all good singers. What you're ultimately complaining about is that they're not great singers.
Encore stages aren’t a good measure of vocal capability.
The combination of excitement & a lack of warm-up means singing is more difficult. We also don’t know what other environmental factors come into play.
While Easy isn’t particularly high, it’s right at the bottom end of their singing range, which makes it difficult to sing, for them, especially with little prep.
Netizens also vastly underestimate the difficulty of singing. Any & all singing.
I totally agree that underage Idols need better protection. Look back at T-ARA, Miss A, & other 2nd Gen girl groups, where their underage members are kept covered up. It doesn’t take away from the MVs or performances at all, & it doesn’t look out of place.
Folx generally just need to have a little more empathy. Kindness costs you nothing, yet the recipient gains so much from it.
Encore stage is an excellent measure of vocal capability, no back track no auto tune , go watch NMIXX encore stage you will understand
Sakura started as a jpop idol who clearly has a different standard. As she transition to the kpop industry, yes she should improve.
She actually improved her dancing, complicated choreos compared to izone.
Clearly sounds nasally, but i can't say how to fix that.
I would put the blame on soumu and hybe too, debuting up idols who lacks and just depend on their marketability shows just how greedy they are.
On the outside, it seems that she has honestly gotten worse over the years as she did not sound this bad in Izone. But comparing the 2 groups, Izone had much higher pitched, higher register songs that fit her vocals better (same as Perfect Night). LS songs are often sung in lower register which most members are not fit for. Sakura sounds terrible to be quiet honest and i wish her company would train her as i cannot imagine being in her position. You can tell how terrified she is whenever they are expected to sing live. Like i feel like crying for her lol.
But she has a naturally shaky voice. Even when she speaks.
This is something that cannot be changed overnight. It might even take ages.
That's capitalism for ya
@@SolitudeDayys Funny thing is, her stans used to argue that IZ*ONE songs were too high for her and that she needed to sing in her regular "deep voice" in order to sound better. And when they gave that to her, she still sounds terrible. It's just her vocal cords aren't made for singing.
@@user-gp1bt4vm3r I agree her voice is just not good period. But I still believe she sounds better using her higher register as it gives her slightly more stability and sound less shaky.
Let me correct this.
7:32 in the fearless MV the Former 06 members is seen slamming their Crotch on the ground repeatedly while beating the ground with their fist.
This only happened in the music video
It is just funny atp that some still defend some of the girlies for just not being able to sing properly or good at all. It is their job to sing good. You can clearly see who actually has talent and who just isn’t made for this. Which also is fine but fans should stop for babying them.
The underwear look - isn’t that the responsibility of the stylists? Why are the stylists not getting the criticism?
I don't think any sane stylist would style an idol that ridiculous, it's more likely that Yunjin did it herself
@@therealgrimreaper68 true knowing how bold and American she is which is not at all idol behavior in korea they made the grp to be western but they should have known in west people cares about vocals and autotune Aswell and people are not Dumb their for visuals like in korea 😂 the criticism is valid and tbh they can't improve more than this knowing they did same in fearless encore.
Whole lesserafim vocals are not that great and chaewon and yunjin are the one with decent vocals and now they are called at Coachella I don't know how they are going to do there they should have invited a more mature group like G-idle
its fricking obviously payola
Or nmixx
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"theyve put out other good live performances'
yes.. where every single one has auto tune
The Thing i've learned about KPop is that the Fanbase is the most toxic i've ever seen in my life. I mean Idols beeing criticised for literally everything. It's like constructive criticism doesn't exists.
They are good dancers and that’s about it.
Sometimes..
I wish people could not say negative stuff about idols-
Like they signed up their lives just to make us happy -
Even though they might need to improve,we could just simple encourage them instead of bringing down they're self esteem..
So yes maybe the encore stage isn't the best
But we could encourage them to do BETTER
Also the K-pop industry should stop debuting miniors
Like they haven't even finished education and you
Want to make them have no childhood-
Dude, you helping them go viral right now.
[it worked, on all levels, esp. financially]
Going viral with no talent to sustain them ……they need to do better all the money in the world but can’t sing 😂
@bellearena000 you too good to die of old age.
it’s Dunning Kruger effect. They will go viral either way thanks for the bad publicity and something to talk to by the fans and haters. I hope you do you
I just remembered twice encore back then. But look at them now... 😌 Stay strong everyone, practice more, slay more and harder
i love srfm but this is actually hard to defend. i just hope that hybe takes action and gives the members proper vocal training
Regarding the encore stage, they do need more training of course, there's always room to improvement. However, not all encores were bad. Chaewon did great in most of them despite the song not really being in her vocal range. Kazuha improved so much and did well for the encore stages as well. Yunjin was shaking a little in a few of them but did well regardless because she projects her voice quite well. Can't say a lot about Eunchae, she had very few lines. (She was very out of breath in her smart stages though). Sakura does need to improve a lot more. She's struggling so much and her voice shakes a lot. Not sure what the issue really is, because it's shaky even when she talks and even said it herself. Anyway, the girl needs to step up her game for sure, more than the rest but that doesn't justify why people bullied her like that online. That was really cruel. Criticism is okay but the extent that this reached was really bad.
For me Le Sserafim ended on Antifragile (as their last very good album) but i still support them and buying their albums.. hope they would come back to their roots
They've never had a "root." They've always had different sounds.
@@user-gp1bt4vm3r which is heavily autotuned and performances being edited and backtracked
I understand if it is criticism, but that is not what's happening. It is a lot of bullying going on. It must be some internal woman hate going on, cause as soon as female idol groups start to gain some popularity people start to hunt them down like crazy. Mostly woman hating on other woman. So tragic.
Who wouldn't criticise them if they sounded bad in singing or maybe our ears are tone deaf?
@@MyC-mw6mg I said criticism is very understandable. But that is not what is happening, most people are bullying the girls
All of this will not harm Le Sserafim's international reputation at all.
If anything all of this turmoil is pure publicity for them.
Bingo
maybe not their popularity but they are humans. they will be impacted by the massive hate.. hopefully not too much
Well, thank you now people can skip le sserafim.
At this point people are finding reasons to hate on this group if the girls allow it then don’t speak on it y’all are so icky I can’t
Well, if they improve singing, that wouldn’t be a problem
@@billliealim there shouldn’t be one in the first place all these girls do is train so obviously they won’t sound good because the focus on strength and dancing skills.
I’m sorry but if you’re a singer who SELLS albums and cds… you’re supposed to know how to hold a tune. if not then you’re just a dancer or pretty face. that’s it
wake up. If people KEPT finding reasons to "hate" (I quote that bcs tbh some are just plain criticism but fans like u are too soft to even recognize one as such) then there SHOULD be some PROBLEMS with the group itself. And be honest with yourself, the problem is so dang obvious. Their VOCALS, an essential to being an idol. Don't come and argue that idol isn't only about singing. Bcs idols should AT LEAST have above average singing skills.
Some even comment that they sound like they with their friends on KTV, and that is right.
@@dwayzy524 there’s way more popular idols who sound just the same but don’t get criticized for it just because of their visual. They keep on attacking these girls for no damn reason trying to analyze everything so that they could comment their “icks” please grow up and realize that all idols don’t sound like the top a1 singer.
As a fan, they cannot sing. I didn’t even notice this in their debut era or any era until now since they used autotune and lip syncing a lot, but it wasn’t clear back then. They are off pitch, sounded out of breath while standing. HYBE is weird for giving a minor those revealing outfits and weird dance moves. HYBE can give them everything but a good vocal coach.
a BLINK pretending to be a Fearnot to criticize them? 😆nice try you aint fooling anyone
*Hybe
@@blueraine21 shut up. op is exactly right.
@@blueraine21 You're missing the whole point🤦🏾♀️
@@blueraine21 multistans exist
I think there are a few important questions to ask. First, how much does LE SSERAFIM get to control what they wear, sing, and dance? If their agency has full control, then maybe, instead of bashing LE SSERAFIM, people should focus on pointing the criticism and feedback to those in power. Some groups have a lot more say while others don't.
Second question: 4:04 why was a photo of Straykids used with the "Hybe Labels"? Aren't they with JYPE? That seemed like an odd choice of images. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
This people are a bunch of snowflakes.
The problem with them and their fans is that they don't accept criticism. They think that criticism is a hatred towards them rather than what something they should learn from.
I think most of this is a hybe problem, similar things happening with other hybe groups as well. Just the company not caring about quality and just quantity because they have too much money and too many groups
HYBE really loves autotune 🥰
I’m sorry but a minor shouldn’t be shaking her but for the camera and especially not doing the other move in smart. I was uncomfortable watching that
The same things are repeated every time. And the truth is - this is the level, there is nothing significant to do, they are not newbies. Kazuha looks in perfect shape and yet is out of breath in the first minute, that's just the way it is. They look good, they are good dancers, fun music, who is looking for a higher level - there are enough bands.
This the group that was gonna be performing on Coachela and they can't even sing one song well
Within seconds of listening to Smart, I thought of Come Down.
The more sucesfull the more criticism a group will recieve. I only see many butthurt antis.
the "butthurt antis" are right. 60% of LE SSERAFIM can't sing. (it’s spelled “successful” by the way)
@@indigo_neoexactly
Le Sserafim can't sing lol get over it
@@indigo_neoThe antis are not the one who will go to their concert or bye album so your opinion is not relevant
@@motherhoodsbeauty9279 *buy the album. Even Fearnots acknowledge that LSF needs to work on their vocals. What I wrote is very much relevant. Also, it’s not an opinion, it’s a fact.
I never understood the hate lol. Don’t like something don’t listen simple as that. If you like songs but not live so don’t go to concert simple.
Lessarifem encore was soooo saaad 😢😢😢
lmao are you 5
Even tho I am not le sserafims fan I don't under why people don't want to acknowdlege their other encores. I was curious so I checked their last encore stage and they did a very good job. Same level of singing encore as other 383637 idols that have to sing live.
Whyyyy is HYBE so bad with female groups?? It’s like they don’t even try. The company is responsible for making sure their idols are training and up to standard.
I mean new jeans wears crop tops a lot showcasing their stomach and tight clothes so if they’re gonna complain I hope they keep that attitude for every group
nah i think once a groups gets popular everyone is looking for things to hate on. and tho most of these issues are actual they don't only concern LSF. ( imo they did well in the other encores so i don't think they diserve the backlash, the song "smart" is afrobeat so it's normal that it sounds like other songs of the genre and the outfits well .. i don't thinks the girls have a say but they look uncomfortable ( they look pretty confident actually) and thats is want matter .. again just my opinion
The main job of an idol is to sing
All other things are second
Instead of having a dance practice video they should have a vocal practicing video for their each comeback
Their vocals just shows that only in the recording booth they have sang their line and never after that
An idol should never be that scared to hold a mic and sing
Payolla payollla payolla
where is this energy for the boy groups though? they get away with this shit all the time.
People are misjudging sakura was a jpop idol most of her career jpop idols dont usually get proper training and are self thought for someone whos self thought sakura does very well(basically the only proper trainee days she had was during pd48 and inbetween izone and lesserafim)
yes! that breaks my heart. hybe needs to do better with all the girls.
These controversies are so ridiculous it just proves to me that what Le Sserafim do is great. People should get over themselves and stop commenting on other people
Le Sserafim are giving us the best bangers and choreographies and if because of these haters they will just become another generic group, I will be so disappointed... Haters are gonna hate, it's their problem... I hope they don't change, I hope they don't change choreographies... It's literally just dance moves, people are so f***ing conservative
the fact that they mocked a whole religion in their '' easy '' comeback... lol i can't
Singing a song that say you make it look easy while you’re struggling with a basic note as G3 😞😞😞embarrassing to say the least…..and they are to perform at coachella? Wacky! Get them help cuz they shouldn’t go on stage @coachella like this. They will embarrass themselves!
Its the parents responsibility to tell thier kids what is good or bad . Idols have no reponsibilty to your child . To all of fans
Okay if this video was about newjeans u stupid people will say yea seriously newjeans are soo overrated and they are minor and when it's lesserafim turn you people are supporting them girl have you ever seen that disrespectful background in easy and smart choreography I personally hate this group 🤮
This makes ZERO sense.
I think what grosses me out the most about the outfits for eunchae specifically is that when you hear fan chants they’re overwhelmingly male. The others dressing the way they do is different for adult women. It’s not a coincidence that the fans seen overwhelmingly male, while having rather explicit choreography.
I don’t understand why in America(I live in Florida and been to NY) young girls can wear such things and no one cares. Young Influencers such as Alabama Baker wears “tight” and “short” things and no one cares.
Lol (G)I-DLE and Sistar19 gives justice to it since they used it with performance reason (plus their theme on their comeback was women empowerment, diva, queen and mostly 2nd Gen Outfit theme) not some walking outside the alley with only wearing underwater
Idgaf if she wore an underwear but it did not look good like the colours/styling wasn't good at all
Imo le sserafim are used with singing higher keys rather than lower keys
i agree half way. i think half of my problem with this comeback is that eunchae is a minor and hybe has been making the choreo and outfits not very "appropiate" for a minor especially one who's going to be performing on a stage. i'm not a fan of this "showing your underwear" trend, although i think (g)i-dle did change my mind, but on eunchae it wasn't preferable. i do also not like this new comeback because it was very different from their "usual" sound, although easy did grow on me. i just think hybe needs to calm down on the slight sexual moves and outfits at least until eunchae's birthday on november 10th.
Do you have a video with their live shows when they sing live ? Please don't link those videos with the background music removed by some ML algorithm instead of using the live microphone tracks.
I'm sorry but hating LE SSERAFIM for revealing outfits and inappropriate choreo's while male idols oversexualize female choreo's to make it more mainly is just unfair and disgusting once they are all legal age of 18 I really wanna know if people still hate them for it then it's just a prove female idols are hated for anything they while male idols get away with it
nct dream were all underage never seen them doing sexy choreos wearing revealing outfits during that time. you defending minor female idols being sexualized aint feminism honey
@@taemmate yeah, these gg stans, they shoulc be the one raising voices against these disgusting things like sexualizing minor.But every time someone raises concern they immediately go bg vs gg, boys vs girls, female vs male
@@taemmate I meant in general but I'm also not a fan of minors doing those choreos but you brought up nct in a converstation that is clearly about LE SSERAFIM
I hope the under perform from now on to to piss off all these idiots crying about it.
Netizens are worried about cultural appropriation of the black community?!?! The entirety of kpop itself stole from the black community, it wasn't like it was before when it started but it still fucking bad till this day. So they need to stfu thinking they know what's being cultural appropriating or not.