Also worth mentioning is how Mickey Mantle and Willie Mays were both briefly banned for life by Bowie Kuhn for accepting greeter positions at an Atlantic City casino in 1983. Pete Uberroth reinstated both only two years later since neither of them were directly involved in gambling and the casino didn't even offer sports betting.
I remember that! Weren't there a couple other players caught up in that? Mantle and Mays were Hall of Famers and their names got most of the attention but I think i remember a couple other guys getting banned for the same thing at the time. I was like 11 when they got the ban put on them.
@@aunch3 I know Mantle was friends with one of the owners where he worked. Mays was a coach with the Mets when he was suspended. For some reason I remember a few other former players turned coaches in MLB that got suspended then too.. but i could be wrong
Wasn't George Steinbrenner also temporarily banned for life by Fay Vincent in 1990 for conspiring with a small-time gambler named Howie Spira to dig up dirt on Dave Winfield?
Incorrect. MLB does not. Many entities that promote the MLB does. Same goes for every professional sport in the U.S. the legalities of such are handled by each State.
It’s pretty disgusting how all these sports betting companies are absolutely everywhere now. Seems like every third commercial you see while watching any sport is an ad for gambling. 🙄
Yeah it's so gross how every league and a huge chunk of sports TH-cam is just infected with draftkings and FanDuel. And now they're all racing to put teams in Vegas so it's just going to get worse. Hard to take them seriously anymore about gambling.
Im from the same hometown as Shoeless Joe, who is the poster child for banned MLB players. But he’s a hero here in Greenville. No one believes he really did anything wrong. They say it was never proven that he threw games. He is spoken of with pride and reverence around here. I don’t know about everywhere else.
@@toddsmith5715 It doesn't matter now. Joe is dead. His kids are dead. His grandchildren are dead. Anyone who ever saw Jackson play MLB is dead. Seems pretty fruitless to unban him or put him in the HOF now.
That’s what happens to hometown hero’s, your people just look past the bad because he was such a hero. Same could be said for Genkhis Khan, who’s a beloved hero still to this day in Mongolia where as the rest of the world sees him as a monster, it could happen for literally anyone
That's because betting directly or indirectly affects the integrity of the game itself. The initial pro baseball league, the National Association of Professional Base Ball Players ran by the players, collapsed in large part because of rampant cheating [called "hippodroming"] due to betting (it was also badly organized) The National League itself nearly folded after its second season because the top 4 players of the Louisville Grays conspired to throw the 1877 pennant race. This action destroyed both the Grays franchise and the St. Louis Brown Stockings team which had signed 2 of the cheaters as free agents for the 1878 season.
Marcell and his wife both abused each other, he was given a lesser charge due to his “assault” on her occurring after she threw multiple plates at him. They were separated for awhile under orders by a judge, which is why he wasn’t banned
I feel sorry for no league who has to deal with a player gambling on sports when it has taken advertising money from the promotion of sports betting sites. The NBA and MLB have already had to being the hammer down on some no name and it's just a matter of time before the NFL and NHL have similar episodes.
Shane Pinto got suspended by the NHL for half a season for gambling related issues. And of course, the helmet sponsor of his team, the Ottawa Senators is Bet99.
Joe Jackson and Buck Weaver should've been unbanned 30 years ago at the very least. Two of the strongest cases to be reinstated, yet the commissioner's seem to, for some reason, ignore this.
"Landis received his colorful name from Kennesaw Mountain, Georgia, where his father, Abraham Landis, had been seriously wounded during the Civil War."
Yes, Chicago may have had a high payroll, but they had the lowest per diem, and Comsikey did things like refusing to pay for laundry (before the scandal, they were nicknamed Black Sox for refusing to do their own laundry in protest of Comiskey's penny pinching), so it's a bit more complicated than that.
Meanwhile MLB itself tinkers with the ball on an annual basis as well as ignored players cheating with steroids and sticky balls until a media storm went after them. MLB also fully embraces gambling promotions.
If the White Sox players got banned for throwing the World Series, doesn't it stand to reason that the Astros should have been banned for life for cheating to win the World Series? It seems like they got off pretty easy.
I never understood why spitballers and admitted cheats like Gaylord Perry never got banned. The same goes for those involved in the sign stealing Astros and other teams. The league is super soft.
Giamatti is the WORST MLB Commish in History. WORST! Pete should already be in the Hall. Travesty of Justice. The converse is Barry Bonds should NEVER be in the HOF.
As someone who love and simulate 19th century baseball I'm glad you mentioned George Bechtel but he isn't really the one who was part of the biggest betting scandal of that era. Just one year later two of the best players in the National League, pitcher Jim Devlin and outfielder George Hall of the Louisville Grays were suspended for life because they were paid to lose games. Al Nichols a lesser Louisville player did the same and was suspended too. Bill Craver another good player of the Greys got the same treatment too, not because he was paid but because he refused to cooperate with the investigation. But the consequence were even worse since Louisville one of the best team of the early National League lose their team...
No. He basically is grandfathered. However, there is a technicality with this rule. Being on the ineligible list means you won't be eligible by the writers vote. However, you still may be elected to the Hall by one of the committees.
@@LadyJay114 So, in theory, Rose and Shoeless Joe could get elected by a veterans' committee? I did not know that. Not that I think it will happen, but I did not know that was a possibility.
There's no formal ban by the commissioner for of use of steroids. That's the informal ban by the baseball writers that you should add on to this list as well.
But he hasn't officially been banned. The owners blacklisting him of their own accord is not an official ban as the MLB front office has not made that call, they have.
@@kylehicks9690He was also burning bridges with every team he played for before all of this went down. Turns out if you’re an a-hole long enough people just won’t hire you.
@@kylehicks9690yeah I said might as well add him to this video in a tongue and cheek way. Because while he hasn’t been officially banned, the owners blacklisting him because of his personality is essentially a ban. He was a Cy Young caliber pitcher who is still pitching. He can still hit mid to upper 90’s in velo and has stuff. Add that he is willing to take a minimum contract and that pitching injuries are at an all time high, the fact that he doesn’t have a job means he might as well be banned.
@@ericnelson4761I agree that being an A-Hole has likely hindered his opportunities but there are plenty of A-Holes who have their jobs in baseball (heck plenty a-holes employed all over the world). But sticking to the sports conversation, being an ass has rarely, if ever, superseded performance. Teams will deal with a-holes as long as they produce. Bauer has not gotten the chance to show whether or not he can still produce after his suspension (which was an unjustified suspension now that the facts of the case have been produced). I’m just saying that people can be humbled and given that he wasn’t guilty of any of the accusations he should definitely have been given an opportunity to try again even if it were for the Pirates or the Rockies or a team like that. I know the Rays could absolutely use an arm like his but that will never happen.
@ericnelson4761 Someone better tell that to the Yankees then. Abolishing Chapman actually SHOULD be on this list, even if it is only in the way Bauer is. All Trevor can be actually accused of is perhaps being a bit too competitive. He was handed a 2-season ban for something he was found innocent of before the sentencing that has effectively becone a lifetime ban because of PR. Chapman was actually arrested for pulling and discharging a gun 8 times then choked out his girlfriend. He got hit with 30 games for the domestic and got to keep his job. Maybe we should let Wander Franco back in time served then, if we're following the set example.
Landis was a horrible judge, wirh one of the highest percentages of cases overturned. As a commissioner, he showed why with his disregard for due process and his insistence on enforcing the color barrier. As for who shouldn't be on the list, based on the accepted practices at the time, and the fact that he took no money and played well in 1919, Buck Weaver should not have been put on the ineligible list.
Gambling players undermines the integrity of the game, specifically the outcome. It is an existential threat to the sport. Sexual assault, while bad does not affect the sport.
It doesn’t matter who the commissioner is, he’s just a face for the owners (The literal people who actually run the league). The owners DO NOT want Pete Rose in the hall of fame as long as he’s alive.
MLB: "Tucupita Marcano is banned for life for betting on baseball. This message is brought to you by Fan Duel Sportsbook where you can double your winnings!" The utter hypocrisy here is astounding. At least at the time Pete Rose was banned gambling on sports was limited to Las Vegas although he went through illegal bookmakers but today major league sports, MLB included, are heavily invested in gambling sites like Fan Duel or Draft Kings. It's the epitome of 'do as I say and not as I do'.
What I don’t like is the double standard. If Aaron judge was caught gambling there is no way in hell he would be banned for life and MLB would actively try and cover it up for him. Honestly it wouldn’t surprise me if MLB did the same with Ohtani and paid a fall guy when in reality it could have been ohtani entirely doing the betting. Ohtani makes MLB lots of money and they can’t ban him or have him look bad.
It’s pretty hypocritical of the league to promote sports gambling and banning anyone who gambles, if they hadn’t promoted those players probably wouldn’t be doing it
I find it funny that mlb takes gambling more seriously than cheating, PEDs or domestic abuse and those three things are worse. MLB did trevor bauer dirty and suspended him for something he was never charged with and found innocent over.
As far as I know she only ever got a day-to-day operations ban. Once she dropped her controlling interest the MLB didn't seem to care anymore and let it go.
I was only 3 at the time but I don't believe so, officially, no. The owners just teamed up to forced her to sell the team and into retirement. It had the same effect though, since she was already in ill health by that point.
imagine being a pro ballplayer and the giant amount of money that brings and throwing it all away to put money on games with losing bets, what a shame, a former Red Sox pitcher lives near me, his giant house looks so out of place in the middle of a field in rural midwest farmland
I understand the conflict of interest argument, that a player might bet against their team and then tank the game on purpose, but I think bets that don't involve your team should be allowed.
Fergie Jenkins was banned for life by Bowie Kuhn after taking cannabis across the US-Canada border. Thankfully, this ban was dismissed in arbitration almost immediately.
Well im sure landis was never friendly to somone who did a crime, therefore would make him unfit for other judges to be around so he could be banned for life from being a judge. No no no, he was much a better person than that. What an absolute clown.
People talking about MLB/partners pushing sports betting being at fault makes no sense. There are literally stadiums named after alcoholic drinks and people dont blame that when a player gets a DUI or something. The players know full well THEY cant bet. Fans can do whatever though. Honestly Id rather people do that than games of pure chance like slots, you will always lose money on those.
You didn't even touch on Landis' banning Jackie Mitchell and all other women from professional baseball after she struck out Lou Gherig and Babe Ruth! Real crybaby move. Put a huge damper on women's participation in baseball, which in the major system is just barely being scratched at over a century later. One of the greatest injustices ever in the sport.
It's prevented a century of development and scouting outside of the negro leagues, and a few women's leagues. Women can play, and have always had the interest and ability. Jerks like Landis just did what they could to remove the opportunity.
I don't understand why the actual salaries were drawn into question How little should a player make to get the greenlight to toss a series? How can MLB act on a matter that was dismissed in court? Why did they even go to court when they were going to be banned regardless? To me this sounds like the MOB. I'm not sure I understand the last case. The commissioner stated that it's enough just to be accused, and regardless of the outcome in court there are grounds to toss a player out for good?
Remember, all of this happened before the players formed a union & had to the power to collectively bargain. So the owners and the commissioner had supreme authority over anything and anyone in the league. This was in the days of the reserve clause, so the players were basically owned by their teams.
Get ready folks, with the in your face attitude and prevalence of sports gambling in all major league sports nowadays, this is only the beginning, expect more bans
What's with this guy? He tip toes around some of the people he's talking about like he knows them personally. Says he's going to go over the list then he doesn't. It comes across as weak, placating, and generally following a script close to the vest.
If they put Shoeless Joe Jackson in the Hall of Fame today, then Pete Rose can go in the Hall 73 years after his death. Its been 73 years since Joe Jackson died... Rose should have to wait AT LEAST as long as Shoeless Joe to get in the Hall. Jackson was a WAY better ballplayer than Rose.
@@LiveFromThePorcelainPalace Well, "appearing on the ballot" wasn't a thing back then, actually. Voters had ten blank spaces in 1936, and two of the 226 voters wrote him in. In 1946, things started with nominations, whereupon the top 20 vote-getters would appear on a final ballot for election. Two of 202 voters nominated Shoeless Joe; 39 votes were required to get to the final ballot.
As a thought exercise, not a realistic idea, but doesn't every decision, contract, acqusition, etc essentially boil down to the owner/gm "gambling" on their team? For example, we claim the integrity of the game is compromised when a player gambles on the game or in a game he is playing under the assumption the player has a vested interested in performing a certain manner (ie, fixing, intentionally hitting prop bet thresholds, etc). Yet couldn't we also claim Fischer is doing the same thing we despise of players, but at the scale of seasons, not games? Isn't adding incentives to a contract essentially gambling as well? How often have we heard stories of service time manipulation or players being sat so the team doesn't have to pay an incentive? This is just a thought experiment about how the focus on sports gambling effects is limited to just players and player ancillaries, but not the owners, GMs, etc. So, while Marcano gets an indefinite ban, Fischer gets increasing percentages of revenue sharing even after he moves the team. Essentially, we reward owners that intentionally lose whole seasons with millions and millions of dollars, but we ban a player for betting (and mostly losing his bets) thousands of dollars for possibly throwing a game. I'm not saying Marcano shouldn't be banned. I'm saying hold owners accountable.
i think it is absolute horse shit how much the mlb is simultaneously endorsing and demonizing gambling OF COURSE you're going to get young players who gamble, you've been telling people to gamble during every single game every single day for over TEN YEARS
It’s an absolute crime the entire Astros team wasn’t banned for life for cheating the World Series, and the fact they got to keep the title is even worse.
Yea Pete Rose. If the nfl isn’t lifetime banning gamblers and if Ohtani is all good why isn’t Pete atleast a topic or discussion. His off the field shouldnt take away from his career.
Part of the logic of some against Rose betting for his team to win is that he might use players differently, which could negatively affect other games. Also, for players, they may have inside knowledge some may consider illegal or in some way influence teammates who are playing in ways that may affect games. Personally, I find it interesting that it is a lifetime ban for players throwing games for personal benefit, but it's A-OK for teams to field squads clearly intended to lose lots of games for better draft position, etc. (benefits for the team/owner).
Also worth mentioning is how Mickey Mantle and Willie Mays were both briefly banned for life by Bowie Kuhn for accepting greeter positions at an Atlantic City casino in 1983. Pete Uberroth reinstated both only two years later since neither of them were directly involved in gambling and the casino didn't even offer sports betting.
I remember that! Weren't there a couple other players caught up in that? Mantle and Mays were Hall of Famers and their names got most of the attention but I think i remember a couple other guys getting banned for the same thing at the time. I was like 11 when they got the ban put on them.
Why would they accept greeter positions at casinos did they need the work or something
@@aunch3 I know Mantle was friends with one of the owners where he worked.
Mays was a coach with the Mets when he was suspended.
For some reason I remember a few other former players turned coaches in MLB that got suspended then too.. but i could be wrong
@@aunch3yes. It was an easy way to earn a fair amount of money.
Bowie was a cancer.
Wasn't George Steinbrenner also temporarily banned for life by Fay Vincent in 1990 for conspiring with a small-time gambler named Howie Spira to dig up dirt on Dave Winfield?
And yet... MLB heavily pushes sports betting
Incorrect. MLB does not.
Many entities that promote the MLB does.
Same goes for every professional sport in the U.S. the legalities of such are handled by each State.
It’s pretty disgusting how all these sports betting companies are absolutely everywhere now. Seems like every third commercial you see while watching any sport is an ad for gambling. 🙄
If only this video was sponsored by draft kings.....
@rolmodel12. My guy, if you think Draft Kings and the MLB don't work together, then I HIGHLY encourage you to do a 5 second Google search.
Yeah it's so gross how every league and a huge chunk of sports TH-cam is just infected with draftkings and FanDuel. And now they're all racing to put teams in Vegas so it's just going to get worse. Hard to take them seriously anymore about gambling.
Never forget my man Lip Pike who got banned in 1881 just for being ass
lol brilliant....he pitched at age 42 after getting reinstated! what a boss
Kenesaw Mountain Landis was such an asshole.
Great video!
He also has a stupid name.
Kenesaw Mountain Landis was also a big reason why Major League Baseball still had a color-barrier until shortly after his death in 1944.
S tier name tho
@@TMC1982Part2 yep
Im from the same hometown as Shoeless Joe, who is the poster child for banned MLB players. But he’s a hero here in Greenville. No one believes he really did anything wrong. They say it was never proven that he threw games. He is spoken of with pride and reverence around here. I don’t know about everywhere else.
Among serious baseball people who are familiar with the sport's history, there's a pretty firm consensus that he was given a raw deal.
@@toddsmith5715
It doesn't matter now. Joe is dead. His kids are dead. His grandchildren are dead. Anyone who ever saw Jackson play MLB is dead.
Seems pretty fruitless to unban him or put him in the HOF now.
We have a chain of sports bars named after him in canada
We still love him in Chicago. One of the greatest White Sox of all time and 100% belongs in the hall.
That’s what happens to hometown hero’s, your people just look past the bad because he was such a hero. Same could be said for Genkhis Khan, who’s a beloved hero still to this day in Mongolia where as the rest of the world sees him as a monster, it could happen for literally anyone
Players assault women, assault kids, drive drunk, and continue to play, but a player bets on some games and they get banned for life
Lifetime ban is very warranted though. But those worse things should get the same punishment
Yes, because the only thing that matters is money. Smh
The racist as well
That's because betting directly or indirectly affects the integrity of the game itself. The initial pro baseball league, the National Association of Professional Base Ball Players ran by the players, collapsed in large part because of rampant cheating [called "hippodroming"] due to betting (it was also badly organized) The National League itself nearly folded after its second season because the top 4 players of the Louisville Grays conspired to throw the 1877 pennant race. This action destroyed both the Grays franchise and the St. Louis Brown Stockings team which had signed 2 of the cheaters as free agents for the 1878 season.
@@jonmartin2913 What?
I don’t care how good he is, Marcell Ozuna should not be allowed to play Major League Baseball
Nor should Aroldis Chapman he beat his wife a while back too yet he's still playing smh.
Domingo German, too
Marcell and his wife both abused each other, he was given a lesser charge due to his “assault” on her occurring after she threw multiple plates at him. They were separated for awhile under orders by a judge, which is why he wasn’t banned
As a braves fan, I agree.
@@idkaboredperson4402and his DUI? What’s the excuse there?
Let’s not forget that Kenesaw Mountain Landis also effectively "banned" every black player from ever joining MLB while he was in charge.
Women as well. What an asshole!
He sounds like a lovely guy. Even in the pictures of him he looks like a complete asshole.
I feel sorry for no league who has to deal with a player gambling on sports when it has taken advertising money from the promotion of sports betting sites. The NBA and MLB have already had to being the hammer down on some no name and it's just a matter of time before the NFL and NHL have similar episodes.
NFL already did. See Calvin Ridley and he is not a no name player. He was a top tier WR at the time he was suspended.
Shane Pinto got suspended by the NHL for half a season for gambling related issues. And of course, the helmet sponsor of his team, the Ottawa Senators is Bet99.
Joe Jackson and Buck Weaver should've been unbanned 30 years ago at the very least. Two of the strongest cases to be reinstated, yet the commissioner's seem to, for some reason, ignore this.
They'd also have to admit the team owner, who might be in the HoF, was a giant POS.
No. They fixed the games. Good riddance
Kenesaw Mountian Landis is an all-time great name.
"Landis received his colorful name from Kennesaw Mountain, Georgia, where his father, Abraham Landis, had been seriously wounded during the Civil War."
@@restock_1731 And his father couldn’t even correctly spell the name of the mountain that he named his son after.
And he was an all-time asshole
@@restock_1731 dude lost his leg
All time great racist
Wait, Thats where the name John Dowd comes from?! Wow
Huh, I always thought Cicotte was pronounced che-COH-tee because that's how it's said in Field of Dreams, but no, it IS see-caht per Wiki.
Glad you mentioned how no 2017 Astros players were banned…..also, not even punished
As an Astros fan if anybody is gonna be banned I'd say it would be Alex Cora and maybe Carlos Beltràn
@@mrswizzlestickz2646 Yes, but also Jose Altuve for that home run he hit to send the Astros to the world series. I would ban all three for life.
@@matthewhenningervonada9914Jose Altuve didnt even cheat...
@@_KroW_ Oh yes the heck he did. Otherwise, he wouldn't have hit that home run off the yankees.
@@matthewhenningervonada9914 You're free to live in your own delusion if it makes you feel better...
Yes, Chicago may have had a high payroll, but they had the lowest per diem, and Comsikey did things like refusing to pay for laundry (before the scandal, they were nicknamed Black Sox for refusing to do their own laundry in protest of Comiskey's penny pinching), so it's a bit more complicated than that.
i thought the thumbnail was jolly olive lol
Meanwhile MLB itself tinkers with the ball on an annual basis as well as ignored players cheating with steroids and sticky balls until a media storm went after them. MLB also fully embraces gambling promotions.
plus beating they wives and shi 😂😂
It’s a business bud. Pretty simple. Home runs bring in money. Players purposely throwing games loses money. Very easy to understand concept
If the White Sox players got banned for throwing the World Series, doesn't it stand to reason that the Astros should have been banned for life for cheating to win the World Series? It seems like they got off pretty easy.
its an aboslute crime that Pete Rose still isnt in the Hof and I will forever die on that hill
They couldn’t just ban one cupita Marcano??? It had to be two???
badum-pshh!
@VegeMaticPragtarian?
The irony! Gamblers not wanted in the MLB! Unless you're a fan, then the MLB is wondering why you aren't betting.
Only way to make it entertaining
Jeff Luhnow A. J. Hinch Carlos Beltrán and Alex Cora should be the minimum of the Houston Astros on that list
Let Sholess Joe Jackson into the Baseball Hall of Fame.
Except he's a cheater
The voters gave an emphatic *no* twice.
@@Alf9393he took money but where's the proof of cheating?
@@dnasty312 taking money to throw a game is cheating and dishonest regardless of your stats.
@@Alf9393he refused to take payment. Lefty Williams gave it to him anyway
Well, this is something. Baseball is about integrity.
I never understood why spitballers and admitted cheats like Gaylord Perry never got banned. The same goes for those involved in the sign stealing Astros and other teams. The league is super soft.
Giamatti is the WORST MLB Commish in History. WORST! Pete should already be in the Hall. Travesty of Justice. The converse is Barry Bonds should NEVER be in the HOF.
As someone who love and simulate 19th century baseball I'm glad you mentioned George Bechtel but he isn't really the one who was part of the biggest betting scandal of that era. Just one year later two of the best players in the National League, pitcher Jim Devlin and outfielder George Hall of the Louisville Grays were suspended for life because they were paid to lose games. Al Nichols a lesser Louisville player did the same and was suspended too. Bill Craver another good player of the Greys got the same treatment too, not because he was paid but because he refused to cooperate with the investigation. But the consequence were even worse since Louisville one of the best team of the early National League lose their team...
If Alomar was elected to the HOF, and people on the ineligible list are also ineligible for the Hall, does that mean his plaque is revoked?
No. He basically is grandfathered. However, there is a technicality with this rule. Being on the ineligible list means you won't be eligible by the writers vote. However, you still may be elected to the Hall by one of the committees.
@@LadyJay114 So, in theory, Rose and Shoeless Joe could get elected by a veterans' committee? I did not know that. Not that I think it will happen, but I did not know that was a possibility.
Wait. John Dowd? From MVP Baseball 05??
Best baseball game ever. To this day I refuse to play the show.
There's no formal ban by the commissioner for of use of steroids. That's the informal ban by the baseball writers that you should add on to this list as well.
14:06 No, every runner starting on 2nd in extras is a "Manfred man". Or a "bullshit runner" as I prefer.
I'd call the runner on 2nd in extra innings beer league softball, but that's insulting...to beer league softball
@@michaelbaucom4019 I mean it's that or watching 20 inning games that go on for 5 or 6hrs. People don't have time for that
@@dandrecollier800 then go watch the insult to beer league softball that is masquerading as MLB
Late extra inning games are compelling as hell, especially when they run out of bench players and relievers.
I mark it "SAR" in my scorebook - that's "standard automatic runner" if you're Rob Manfred, or "stupid-ass rule" if you aren't.
Might as well have added Trevor Bauer to this video. Despite being proven innocent and a victim of extortion he may very well never see an MLB again.
But he hasn't officially been banned. The owners blacklisting him of their own accord is not an official ban as the MLB front office has not made that call, they have.
@@kylehicks9690He was also burning bridges with every team he played for before all of this went down. Turns out if you’re an a-hole long enough people just won’t hire you.
@@kylehicks9690yeah I said might as well add him to this video in a tongue and cheek way. Because while he hasn’t been officially banned, the owners blacklisting him because of his personality is essentially a ban. He was a Cy Young caliber pitcher who is still pitching. He can still hit mid to upper 90’s in velo and has stuff. Add that he is willing to take a minimum contract and that pitching injuries are at an all time high, the fact that he doesn’t have a job means he might as well be banned.
@@ericnelson4761I agree that being an A-Hole has likely hindered his opportunities but there are plenty of A-Holes who have their jobs in baseball (heck plenty a-holes employed all over the world). But sticking to the sports conversation, being an ass has rarely, if ever, superseded performance. Teams will deal with a-holes as long as they produce. Bauer has not gotten the chance to show whether or not he can still produce after his suspension (which was an unjustified suspension now that the facts of the case have been produced). I’m just saying that people can be humbled and given that he wasn’t guilty of any of the accusations he should definitely have been given an opportunity to try again even if it were for the Pirates or the Rockies or a team like that. I know the Rays could absolutely use an arm like his but that will never happen.
@ericnelson4761 Someone better tell that to the Yankees then. Abolishing Chapman actually SHOULD be on this list, even if it is only in the way Bauer is. All Trevor can be actually accused of is perhaps being a bit too competitive. He was handed a 2-season ban for something he was found innocent of before the sentencing that has effectively becone a lifetime ban because of PR. Chapman was actually arrested for pulling and discharging a gun 8 times then choked out his girlfriend. He got hit with 30 games for the domestic and got to keep his job.
Maybe we should let Wander Franco back in time served then, if we're following the set example.
if throwing games to make money from gambling was a problem, oakland wouldn't be losing a team
The thing about betting on your own games is that it creates reasonable doubt that you're tanking.
Landis was a horrible judge, wirh one of the highest percentages of cases overturned. As a commissioner, he showed why with his disregard for due process and his insistence on enforcing the color barrier.
As for who shouldn't be on the list, based on the accepted practices at the time, and the fact that he took no money and played well in 1919, Buck Weaver should not have been put on the ineligible list.
It’s insane to me how gambling can be more dangerous to a players career than sexual assault.
Gambling players undermines the integrity of the game, specifically the outcome. It is an existential threat to the sport.
Sexual assault, while bad does not affect the sport.
They should let you bet on your own team to win games so I don't have to see Aaron Boone put DJ LeMahieu and Alex Verdugo in the lineup anymore
pete banned for life was the worst birthday present I could have asked for
It doesn’t matter who the commissioner is, he’s just a face for the owners (The literal people who actually run the league). The owners DO NOT want Pete Rose in the hall of fame as long as he’s alive.
And yet the 2017 Astros not only weren’t banned, but barely punished… ridiculous
4.3%..... sounds like me w/ the ladys
Ayoooooo
That’s optimistic
MLB: "Tucupita Marcano is banned for life for betting on baseball. This message is brought to you by Fan Duel Sportsbook where you can double your winnings!" The utter hypocrisy here is astounding. At least at the time Pete Rose was banned gambling on sports was limited to Las Vegas although he went through illegal bookmakers but today major league sports, MLB included, are heavily invested in gambling sites like Fan Duel or Draft Kings. It's the epitome of 'do as I say and not as I do'.
What I don’t like is the double standard. If Aaron judge was caught gambling there is no way in hell he would be banned for life and MLB would actively try and cover it up for him. Honestly it wouldn’t surprise me if MLB did the same with Ohtani and paid a fall guy when in reality it could have been ohtani entirely doing the betting. Ohtani makes MLB lots of money and they can’t ban him or have him look bad.
It’s pretty hypocritical of the league to promote sports gambling and banning anyone who gambles, if they hadn’t promoted those players probably wouldn’t be doing it
All my homies hate Kenesaw Mountain Landis
I find it funny that mlb takes gambling more seriously than cheating, PEDs or domestic abuse and those three things are worse. MLB did trevor bauer dirty and suspended him for something he was never charged with and found innocent over.
Ohtani should be there too but his interpreter took the wrap
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Baseball has fucked priorities. Lifetime ban for gambling but just a season ban for PED’s.
Gambling isn’t even cheating, using PED’s is.
Shoeless Joe didn’t cheat
Wasn't Reds Owner Marge Schott banned?
As far as I know she only ever got a day-to-day operations ban. Once she dropped her controlling interest the MLB didn't seem to care anymore and let it go.
I was only 3 at the time but I don't believe so, officially, no. The owners just teamed up to forced her to sell the team and into retirement. It had the same effect though, since she was already in ill health by that point.
Ohtani is lucky he has a good friend to take the fall
Doesn’t matter about Roberto Alomar. He’s already in the HOF.
imagine being a pro ballplayer and the giant amount of money that brings and throwing it all away to put money on games with losing bets, what a shame, a former Red Sox pitcher lives near me, his giant house looks so out of place in the middle of a field in rural midwest farmland
What abt Trevor Bauer. To me his being black balled in the mlb.
He isn’t banned.
@@chrisp679 never said he was.
I understand the conflict of interest argument, that a player might bet against their team and then tank the game on purpose, but I think bets that don't involve your team should be allowed.
Lots of inside info available to players and managers, though, making it unfair to other bettors.
The Astros head coach, who ever came up with the garbage can bang, and Jose altuve should be on this list.
Why should I hate Charles Comiskey just by looking at him?
Fergie Jenkins was banned for life by Bowie Kuhn after taking cannabis across the US-Canada border.
Thankfully, this ban was dismissed in arbitration almost immediately.
"How he got kicked out of major league baseball for life"
Or, in other words -
"How I couldn’t care less"
Well im sure landis was never friendly to somone who did a crime, therefore would make him unfit for other judges to be around so he could be banned for life from being a judge. No no no, he was much a better person than that.
What an absolute clown.
People talking about MLB/partners pushing sports betting being at fault makes no sense. There are literally stadiums named after alcoholic drinks and people dont blame that when a player gets a DUI or something. The players know full well THEY cant bet. Fans can do whatever though. Honestly Id rather people do that than games of pure chance like slots, you will always lose money on those.
Domingo German and Marcel Ozuna, along with Chapman should be banned as well.
He should have blamed his interpreter
Kenesaw Mountain Landis with an all-time great ban hammer!
A lamewad
9:53 he hired Barry bonds but not Barry bonds
You didn't even touch on Landis' banning Jackie Mitchell and all other women from professional baseball after she struck out Lou Gherig and Babe Ruth! Real crybaby move. Put a huge damper on women's participation in baseball, which in the major system is just barely being scratched at over a century later. One of the greatest injustices ever in the sport.
Yeah, that is what keeps women from playing in the MLB.
It's prevented a century of development and scouting outside of the negro leagues, and a few women's leagues. Women can play, and have always had the interest and ability. Jerks like Landis just did what they could to remove the opportunity.
3:34 -- What is that exactly and what was it called?
Great presentation!!
Crazy with the size of contracts even for utility players that you would throw it away for meager bets =( smh
I don't understand why the actual salaries were drawn into question How little should a player make to get the greenlight to toss a series? How can MLB act on a matter that was dismissed in court? Why did they even go to court when they were going to be banned regardless? To me this sounds like the MOB. I'm not sure I understand the last case. The commissioner stated that it's enough just to be accused, and regardless of the outcome in court there are grounds to toss a player out for good?
Remember, all of this happened before the players formed a union & had to the power to collectively bargain. So the owners and the commissioner had supreme authority over anything and anyone in the league. This was in the days of the reserve clause, so the players were basically owned by their teams.
@@LadyJay114 Yes, well said. Owners had absolute power, and that can corrupt. Their bottom line was ticket sales
Shoeless Joe Jackson and his crew were framed. Why do you think Field Of Dreams has continued to make more money than baseball since it came out?
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Get ready folks, with the in your face attitude and prevalence of sports gambling in all major league sports nowadays, this is only the beginning, expect more bans
He did that shit on the pirates, not the padres
Pete rose definitely deserves a Hall of fame spot. The numbers speak for themselves
After he passes, sure, but the ban is for life, period. He bet on baseball
so does his marker ban him forever
What's with this guy? He tip toes around some of the people he's talking about like he knows them personally. Says he's going to go over the list then he doesn't. It comes across as weak, placating, and generally following a script close to the vest.
Also, the best of nine series.
huh and Othanis's problems have been sweep under the rug $$$$ talks
And noted Steroid users are in the HOF. Manfred is a Dumpster Fire!
If they put Shoeless Joe Jackson in the Hall of Fame today, then Pete Rose can go in the Hall 73 years after his death.
Its been 73 years since Joe Jackson died... Rose should have to wait AT LEAST as long as Shoeless Joe to get in the Hall. Jackson was a WAY better ballplayer than Rose.
Might be the worst statement ever. You cannot compare the 1910s to the 70s
It should be noted that Shoeless Joe was on the ballot for two Hall of Fame elections. He got about 1% of the vote each time.
@@slxyer145 Jackson's lifetime OPS (on base % + Slugging) is . 940 - Rose's is . 782. Rose should have been nicknamed the Out King.
@@ronaldwayne7092 what years? And why wasn't he dropped the first time for getting under 5%?
@@LiveFromThePorcelainPalace Well, "appearing on the ballot" wasn't a thing back then, actually.
Voters had ten blank spaces in 1936, and two of the 226 voters wrote him in.
In 1946, things started with nominations, whereupon the top 20 vote-getters would appear on a final ballot for election. Two of 202 voters nominated Shoeless Joe; 39 votes were required to get to the final ballot.
As a thought exercise, not a realistic idea, but doesn't every decision, contract, acqusition, etc essentially boil down to the owner/gm "gambling" on their team? For example, we claim the integrity of the game is compromised when a player gambles on the game or in a game he is playing under the assumption the player has a vested interested in performing a certain manner (ie, fixing, intentionally hitting prop bet thresholds, etc). Yet couldn't we also claim Fischer is doing the same thing we despise of players, but at the scale of seasons, not games? Isn't adding incentives to a contract essentially gambling as well? How often have we heard stories of service time manipulation or players being sat so the team doesn't have to pay an incentive? This is just a thought experiment about how the focus on sports gambling effects is limited to just players and player ancillaries, but not the owners, GMs, etc. So, while Marcano gets an indefinite ban, Fischer gets increasing percentages of revenue sharing even after he moves the team. Essentially, we reward owners that intentionally lose whole seasons with millions and millions of dollars, but we ban a player for betting (and mostly losing his bets) thousands of dollars for possibly throwing a game. I'm not saying Marcano shouldn't be banned. I'm saying hold owners accountable.
He should run for office.
Let rose in.
John Dowd? Really? Is there a corelation to MVP baseball?
All I learned is that landis is a terrible person that ruined people’s lives because of opinions not facts.
reinstate pete
All the Trash Can bangers
i think it is absolute horse shit how much the mlb is simultaneously endorsing and demonizing gambling
OF COURSE you're going to get young players who gamble, you've been telling people to gamble during every single game every single day for over TEN YEARS
BALCO players should be banned.
ban shohei for being too nice
It’s an absolute crime the entire Astros team wasn’t banned for life for cheating the World Series, and the fact they got to keep the title is even worse.
Free Pete Rose
Free Trevor Bauer (he hurt robby manchilds feelings)
Free the rapists
He's not blacklisted
He may not be officially blacklisted but he’s definitely blacklisted
@@aunch3 he's just mediocre now. MLB teams are notoriously tolerant toward abusers. If he's good, he'll be signed.
You need some help
Pete Rose needs to be in HOF.
Yea Pete Rose. If the nfl isn’t lifetime banning gamblers and if Ohtani is all good why isn’t Pete atleast a topic or discussion. His off the field shouldnt take away from his career.
“Off field” lol dude was literally betting on games he played and managed in. That’s as clear cut cheating as it gets
Marge Schott was a real one
Tbh, unless you’re betting a fielded team that you play on, I don’t really care about players betting
Part of the logic of some against Rose betting for his team to win is that he might use players differently, which could negatively affect other games.
Also, for players, they may have inside knowledge some may consider illegal or in some way influence teammates who are playing in ways that may affect games.
Personally, I find it interesting that it is a lifetime ban for players throwing games for personal benefit, but it's A-OK for teams to field squads clearly intended to lose lots of games for better draft position, etc. (benefits for the team/owner).
I think it was his translator.