Make sure you strap your phone with some kind of rubber bands. I fallen twice -cost , me two screens cause internal plastic latches that hold two springs are- pretty lame and your phone would go flying 100% if universal hloder has same internals as original cobi.bike holder.
Roger that!! My iPhone 11 standard in a fairly slim case barely fits and after a jolt at 8-10 mph the phone departed, hit the concrete and slithered about 10 ft. It survived, but how does one secure it better?
I also have the Trek Allant+ 8S with this Cobi display/app. I have a problem with the compass not always indicating the right direction, it tends to be 90° out of phase through half the ride going back to correct and then phasing back to 90° off the correct direction. I’m not sure what causes this and I’m wondering if anyone else is having this problem. Otherwise I really love this display and I’m thinking of ordering it from my other bosh bike system. I do not have a problem with my iPhone 11 S max coming out of the holder, perhaps the larger phone is held tighter by engaging the spring clamp mechanism more at the top range of the force applied (that holds the phone.)
This is really great feedback! Thank you very much for sharing. Hopefully someone else can chime in if they’ve had the issue. I don’t use the navigation too much, but maybe I will more in the future and check this out.
Very nice walkthrough. I have made several comments/answers to questions below. I hope they help. The Smart hub does need some upgrading: like better a mechanism to secure the phones and better documentation. Bosch is pretty slim in this regard. They also need to produce lists of compatible heart rate monitors and cadence sensors.
Choosing a cycling route based on fastest, shortest, or quietest! That's a win right there. Now, if we just add that feature to the readily-available Apple or Google Maps apps...
Great walkthrough! It has to be said that your videos do a lot more than tell us about a given product; they give us a glimpse into what it might be like to actually use and live with the product. On the flip side, I now feel quite torn. I really have my heart set on an e14 drivetrain (for the gearing range), but the smartphone hub now has me seriously considering the prospect of an enviolo setup (at least I wouldn’t have to give up the belt drive too). If speed motors were legal where I live it would be a no brainer. Love the seamless integration of bike computer, navigation, fitness tracking, and hands free(ish) phone control. Bosch is really onto something. Thanks for contrasting the hub’s nav functionality with that of Google maps. I found that quite informative.
Thanks so much for your detailed feedback and comment! I do suspect that the smartphone hub will eventually be compatible with eShift, but it might be a little while. There will also be the option to add the new Nyon display which was supposed to be launched this summer, but we might be looking at the fall with everything which is going on. Anyway, I hope that’s helpful and I’m sure whatever you chose it will be great!
I have the Trek Allant+ 8S and I found that going over things like drainage ditches on streets at high speeds has the potential to knock the phone off of the bike. If mine wasn't plugged in to the USB cord, it would've went flying.
Had exact same experience; and since I had to remove my phone from the case to fit it into the mount, the charging cable was the only thing that prevented the phone from crashing to the street and an expensive disaster
Great video! I was looking at a Trek Allant+ 8s with this system on it before non-essential closures. I think I prefer the Kiox personally. Also, my Note 10+ with the Otter Box case will not fit in the expandable cradle.
Thanks! The Kiox is a great option and you technically can swap the display to Kiox on that bike with the same wiring. For the Smartphonehub it doesn’t actually need to be in the cradle. We have a customer that actually is using an iPad for a display with it and they mounted on top of the whole display.
So I have an allant 8s stagger and love it. But my only issue is the cobi phone cradle, hit a bump and your phone will be dislodged. So strap it in or utilize a different cradle. Or just use the mini display.
Such a great walkthrough! Question: For bikes that currently have a Rohloff setup would it be possible to interchange a Kiox display with a smarthub display in the future? (Once Rohloff integration becomes available)
I can’t seem to figure out how to keep track of each ride. It doesn’t clear the miles after the ride has ended. I don’t know where to find the ride info that I get with Strava.
Thanks very much for this! Very useful. Question: I just recently purchased a 2020 R&M Superdelite with smartphone hub. Do you know whether there's a dedicated iPhone case that fits in an indentation just below the hub mount? If so, does Propel sell it?
This works well for a flat bar bike--but NOT on a drop bar bike. With this, I can't access my aero bars, had to put the thumb controller on the aero bar, not very ergonomic. I don't like the "dumbed down" aspect. This controller displays less info than the Purion which came with my Domane +. Sucks my phone battery dry. Having it uninstalled and going to a Garmin.
Very good overview. Thank you! I spent $6K on a Trek Powerfly 9 FS Equipped and didn't get what you provided in under 20 minutes from Trek or the dealership. Whatever happened to user manuals? Oh, that's right - TH-cam!
Hi All, Is there any way to find a manual that I can DOWNLOAD? To make it possible for me to print it? Thank you for walking us through the whole thing, Propel, really appreciate it.
Thanks Chris for another very helpful video. I really enjoy the Propel e-bike videos. I have had a smartphone hub on my Riese and Mueller Nevo 3 for about 6 months now and have to say that I'm totally underwhelmed by the product. Its best feature is the large speedometer printout on the phone screen. However, it doesn't seem to have an odometer or cumulative mileage total for the bike. This may be available if the motor is connected to the Bosch software in a workshop but as I would like to monitor this myself, it's an obvious feature that is frustratingly absent. Perhaps I have missed something and would be grateful for any advice on how to access this facility if it actually exists. Help?
Around 5:00 you show the Riese & Müller design and features. What are the features and could it be that I do not see them because shortly after Cobi installation my dealer upgraded the firmware of my Delite?
Despite having misgivings about having one of my local shops install the Smart Phone Hub on one of my new Trek Verve=2 bikes I went ahead and had them order it and reluctantly took my big in at 2:45 one afternoon. Went back two hours later to see a couple of confused guys looking at my bike with parts strewn on the floor. Really, a Trek Dealer that sells bikes with Bosch drives should be able to re & er the motor in 40 to 50 minutes, add another 10 or so to swap out the displays. The sop closed at 5 so I gave them a couple of hours the next day to finish. Thankfully after some debate with the owner the charge to install was minimal which is a good thing as I have just spent over $7000.00 at this shop. Back home there was no problem getting the phone to sync with the hub after setting up an account with Bosch through the Kobi App. The question now is about getting android phones in the hub phone cradle/holder without it activating the phones buttons. All that seems to work is having most of the phone stick out the side of the cradle but that causes the phone to interfere with other controls on the handlebar. Any ideas???
Excellent walk through and many thanks. You have made comparisons with the Kiox display, but in your opinion how does the Smarthub compare with the Nyon display, especially the 2021 Nyon? Would you choose the Smarthub over the Nyon?
What if you don't have an eBike but want smart functionality and connectivity? I have a Vanhawks Valour which has some of this but they went bust before bringing the full set of safety and connectivity features. Is there a similar smartphone hub for non-ebikes? I do like the idea of an integrated headlight with the unit as on the earlier COBI version of this product.
Hi if find a solution give us a heads up don't think boash off the shelf buyers will buy alternative mode kits ,I'd like to quick release all the ebike control on a big frame bike from the back wheel battery bank and builtin speed monitor and a smartphone hub holder all wireless but I could dreaming
Only in the US at the moment as there is a regulation about always displaying the speed on speed pedelecs in Europe and the COBI software which wasn’t written by Bosch doesn’t account for this. Also - the Smartphone hub doesn’t work with the Rohloff E-14
@@Propelbikes But you would recommend it for city roads? Because I read some comments from people that smashed their cellphone because it lost grip riding in a bump and fell out of the hub. This is a major deal breaker for me so I would like to be sure these type of accidents dont happen on flat roads.
The main challenge is when you use a phone with a big case the display can’t grip it well. There is also a COBI specific case you can use, but honestly I think I would just go with the Kiox or the new Nyon. The Kiox now has turn by turn, but the new Nyon is awesome and it will be upgradable.
The SmartphoneHub is not compatible with the Rohloff because it doesn’t manage the e-shifting. That information came straight from R&M. I wanted the same setup - you’re a smart man! 😉
how sturdy is the phone holder. i have iphone XR saw you have similar model. i ride a urban arrow fam. mainly urban area but there are quite the bumps when there are some hills going over 25khm (15 MPH) so does it support and hold the "heavier" type of phones. and i asume the regular base hub is all season proof ? im living in Finland where its cold and freezing in the winter. thank you for the walk-trough !
Tuomas, I am on day 2 of owning my Trek Allant+ 9.9s, and my iPhone 11 Pro came out of the holder on my ride today. Thankfully I had the phone plugged in via the charging cable, which prevented it from falling directly onto the street. I am not sure how I am going to fix this issue, but it seems like a major oversight. Didn't they test this out in real world conditions?
Just to follow-up on my own comment, in case anyone else is wondering. I had a few conversations with my Trek dealer and also with a representative at Trek corporate about the issue, and they said they would contact Bosch, but that went nowhere. So I bought a pack of Grifiti Band Joes X Cross Style 6" silicone rubber bands, and it worked like a charm, holding the phone in very snugly. You can find them on Amazon.
I’ve only used the phone holder for a 15 k ride home from work the dealer in London. To be honest the mount scared the hell out of me the whole way. I felt likemy phone would fall out or get nicked at a red light. I was planning to see what it would cost to switch back to the kiox head unit but instead decided to give a quadlock mount a try instead. Since it’s Bluetooth there’s no need to use their holder. I’m not sure yet but it looks like the the universal mount is removable to clean things up. The comments about the gps route finding are spot on too. Twice the maps tried to send me down pedestrian zones. I had to switch to google maps to get home safely.
It’s really a job for a shop, but I’ll see if we can do a video on this at some point. The work will vary per bike, but you need to replace the main wire which goes all the way down to the motor and it often runs through the frame.
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Do you know how to clear the miles for each ride
It would be cool if the Smart Phone Hub display wirelessly charged your phone.
I heard that it wasn't compatible with the HS models. Is that still the case? AND WHY?
Make sure you strap your phone with some kind of rubber bands. I fallen twice -cost ,
me two screens cause internal plastic latches that hold two springs are- pretty lame and your phone would go flying 100% if universal hloder has same internals as original cobi.bike holder.
Do you use anything special?
@@thetravlinmagicshow2385 there is that rubbber contraption sold with GUB phone holders on aliexpress - it fixes smartphone by its corners.
Roger that!! My iPhone 11 standard in a fairly slim case barely fits and after a jolt at 8-10 mph the phone departed, hit the concrete and slithered about 10 ft. It survived, but how does one secure it better?
The charging is not automatic. You have to scroll up on the odometer and tap the charge icon. At least that's how it works with Trek Allant 8+ S.
Don't ride a bike in an urban environment with headphones on!
I also have the Trek Allant+ 8S with this Cobi display/app. I have a problem with the compass not always indicating the right direction, it tends to be 90° out of phase through half the ride going back to correct and then phasing back to 90° off the correct direction. I’m not sure what causes this and I’m wondering if anyone else is having this problem. Otherwise I really love this display and I’m thinking of ordering it from my other bosh bike system. I do not have a problem with my iPhone 11 S max coming out of the holder, perhaps the larger phone is held tighter by engaging the spring clamp mechanism more at the top range of the force applied (that holds the phone.)
This is really great feedback! Thank you very much for sharing. Hopefully someone else can chime in if they’ve had the issue. I don’t use the navigation too much, but maybe I will more in the future and check this out.
Very nice walkthrough. I have made several comments/answers to questions below. I hope they help. The Smart hub does need some upgrading: like better a mechanism to secure the phones and better documentation. Bosch is pretty slim in this regard. They also need to produce lists of compatible heart rate monitors and cadence sensors.
Choosing a cycling route based on fastest, shortest, or quietest! That's a win right there. Now, if we just add that feature to the readily-available Apple or Google Maps apps...
That is my wish. Preferably Google maps.
Great walkthrough! It has to be said that your videos do a lot more than tell us about a given product; they give us a glimpse into what it might be like to actually use and live with the product. On the flip side, I now feel quite torn. I really have my heart set on an e14 drivetrain (for the gearing range), but the smartphone hub now has me seriously considering the prospect of an enviolo setup (at least I wouldn’t have to give up the belt drive too). If speed motors were legal where I live it would be a no brainer. Love the seamless integration of bike computer, navigation, fitness tracking, and hands free(ish) phone control. Bosch is really onto something. Thanks for contrasting the hub’s nav functionality with that of Google maps. I found that quite informative.
Thanks so much for your detailed feedback and comment! I do suspect that the smartphone hub will eventually be compatible with eShift, but it might be a little while. There will also be the option to add the new Nyon display which was supposed to be launched this summer, but we might be looking at the fall with everything which is going on. Anyway, I hope that’s helpful and I’m sure whatever you chose it will be great!
Thanks Chris. A Nyon looks like it would hit the spot, provided it works with the Rohloff. I’ll keep my fingers crossed until we hear more from Bosch!
What’s the difference of the speed shown in the middle of the main screen and the speed shown on the lower left. Not always the same.
Where can i get one. Presume it will work on my Cube ebike with Bosch motor ?
They should be available with your Bosch dealer, but if you need we can also sell them, but it's helpful to work with a dealer for the install.
Amazon has them and the price is the same. Unless you find one on e-Bay. Bosch stuff is fair traded.
I have the Trek Allant+ 8S and I found that going over things like drainage ditches on streets at high speeds has the potential to knock the phone off of the bike. If mine wasn't plugged in to the USB cord, it would've went flying.
Good feedback. I hope they will
make more phone cases available as I think they are more secure than the universal mount.
Do you use anything specific to secure your phone?
Matt Yoon rubber bands.
Had exact same experience; and since I had to remove my phone from the case to fit it into the mount, the charging cable was the only thing that prevented the phone from crashing to the street and an expensive disaster
Hi, got any idea how to recall the total milage by the app?
Open the app. click the black bottom part. Go to settings (in the upper corner left). The number you see there is your total milage.
@@otmeijers761 thank you. Not one walk through tells you this. Just spent an hour trying to find the odometer. Thank you so much.
@@otmeijers761 Thanks for this. However, I would much prefer to be able to see it on the "Dashboard" like the Shimano app does it.
Question, We are now in March 2024, is this Bosch Smartphone Hub still able to be used and works well?
Great video! I was looking at a Trek Allant+ 8s with this system on it before non-essential closures. I think I prefer the Kiox personally. Also, my Note 10+ with the Otter Box case will not fit in the expandable cradle.
Thanks! The Kiox is a great option and you technically can swap the display to Kiox on that bike with the same wiring. For the Smartphonehub it doesn’t actually need to be in the cradle. We have a customer that actually is using an iPad for a display with it and they mounted on top of the whole display.
@@Propelbikes Thank you!
I have an iPhone 13 and I have to remove it from the case in order to insert into the smart phone mount
My bike hub is in metrics ie KM not Miles...how do I change that?
So I have an allant 8s stagger and love it. But my only issue is the cobi phone cradle, hit a bump and your phone will be dislodged. So strap it in or utilize a different cradle. Or just use the mini display.
Get a quad lock mount, that solved our problem
Are you having dual battery, cuz on mine Smartphone hub i dont have, like you 2 battery icon. 😅
Such a great walkthrough! Question: For bikes that currently have a Rohloff setup would it be possible to interchange a Kiox display with a smarthub display in the future? (Once Rohloff integration becomes available)
It is retrofittable so if and when it becomes compatible with eShift you can do it.
Any ETA for when Rohloff integration might become available? Thanks...great video!
I can’t seem to figure out how to keep track of each ride. It doesn’t clear the miles after the ride has ended. I don’t know where to find the ride info that I get with Strava.
I have the same problem. No solutions yet.
1000w motor on a Brompton please battery and speed controller allinone and this type wireless all traraine fat tyered
Another great review Chris. You now have a new Twitter follower as well 👍
Thanks Bill! Much appreciated! Hope you’re staying healthy and safe.
Thanks very much for this! Very useful. Question: I just recently purchased a 2020 R&M Superdelite with smartphone hub. Do you know whether there's a dedicated iPhone case that fits in an indentation just below the hub mount? If so, does Propel sell it?
There is, but we don’t have it available at the moment.
Wow. Really nice complete walk through. Well done.
Thanks so much Mark! Much appreciated! I hope you’re staying healthy and safe.
hey nice video. keep it up .
as you can see how much he pressed in total
is this getting controlled by bluetooth ?
Yes it is
In glorious monotone.
This works well for a flat bar bike--but NOT on a drop bar bike. With this, I can't access my aero bars, had to put the thumb controller on the aero bar, not very ergonomic. I don't like the "dumbed down" aspect. This controller displays less info than the Purion which came with my Domane +. Sucks my phone battery dry. Having it uninstalled and going to a Garmin.
Very good overview. Thank you! I spent $6K on a Trek Powerfly 9 FS Equipped and didn't get what you provided in under 20 minutes from Trek or the dealership. Whatever happened to user manuals? Oh, that's right - TH-cam!
Hi All, Is there any way to find a manual that I can DOWNLOAD? To make it possible for me to print it? Thank you for walking us through the whole thing, Propel, really appreciate it.
Can you tellme how to reset for a new trip...right now it's cumulative and I would like to see it reset for a new trip. Thanks, and great tutorial 😃
Thanks Chris for another very helpful video. I really enjoy the Propel e-bike videos. I have had a smartphone hub on my Riese and Mueller Nevo 3 for about 6 months now and have to say that I'm totally underwhelmed by the product. Its best feature is the large speedometer printout on the phone screen. However, it doesn't seem to have an odometer or cumulative mileage total for the bike. This may be available if the motor is connected to the Bosch software in a workshop but as I would like to monitor this myself, it's an obvious feature that is frustratingly absent. Perhaps I have missed something and would be grateful for any advice on how to access this facility if it actually exists. Help?
Very helpful...thank-you👍
🙏
Around 5:00 you show the Riese & Müller design and features. What are the features and could it be that I do not see them because shortly after Cobi installation my dealer upgraded the firmware of my Delite?
Despite having misgivings about having one of my local shops install the Smart Phone Hub on one of my new Trek Verve=2 bikes I went ahead and had them order it and reluctantly took my big in at 2:45 one afternoon. Went back two hours later to see a couple of confused guys looking at my bike with parts strewn on the floor. Really, a Trek Dealer that sells bikes with Bosch drives should be able to re & er the motor in 40 to 50 minutes, add another 10 or so to swap out the displays. The sop closed at 5 so I gave them a couple of hours the next day to finish. Thankfully after some debate with the owner the charge to install was minimal which is a good thing as I have just spent over $7000.00 at this shop. Back home there was no problem getting the phone to sync with the hub after setting up an account with Bosch through the Kobi App. The question now is about getting android phones in the hub phone cradle/holder without it activating the phones buttons. All that seems to work is having most of the phone stick out the side of the cradle but that causes the phone to interfere with other controls on the handlebar. Any ideas???
Thanks for the walkthrough but why in the world does this not have wireless charging 😒
Would be helpful to go into detail on each of the displays in fitness mode
Just got one thanks to this video. Amazing product.
Excellent walk through and many thanks. You have made comparisons with the Kiox display, but in your opinion how does the Smarthub compare with the Nyon display, especially the 2021 Nyon? Would you choose the Smarthub over the Nyon?
My preference is Nyon hands down
I am trying to figure out if this app holds my historical data. For example...every mile biked in the past 6 months. If not, why not?
It holds it in the ebike connect app.
What if you don't have an eBike but want smart functionality and connectivity? I have a Vanhawks Valour which has some of this but they went bust before bringing the full set of safety and connectivity features. Is there a similar smartphone hub for non-ebikes? I do like the idea of an integrated headlight with the unit as on the earlier COBI version of this product.
Hi if find a solution give us a heads up don't think boash off the shelf buyers will buy alternative mode kits ,I'd like to quick release all the ebike control on a big frame bike from the back wheel battery bank and builtin speed monitor and a smartphone hub holder all wireless but I could dreaming
Great review. Is this smart phone hub available for R&M speed bikes ?
Only in the US at the moment as there is a regulation about always displaying the speed on speed pedelecs in Europe and the COBI software which wasn’t written by Bosch doesn’t account for this. Also - the Smartphone hub doesn’t work with the Rohloff E-14
Does this not support Qi wireless charging?
This doesn’t charge wirelessly. But you can connect a wire to charge your phone.
is the grip strong enough for hiking? I mean, if you ride your bike offroad, will your smartphone stay where it shoud be in the display?
I wouldn’t recommend it as much for off-road riding. The Kiox, Intuvia or Purion would be better for that.
@@Propelbikes But you would recommend it for city roads? Because I read some comments from people that smashed their cellphone because it lost grip riding in a bump and fell out of the hub. This is a major deal breaker for me so I would like to be sure these type of accidents dont happen on flat roads.
The main challenge is when you use a phone with a big case the display can’t grip it well. There is also a COBI specific case you can use, but honestly I think I would just go with the Kiox or the new Nyon. The Kiox now has turn by turn, but the new Nyon is awesome and it will be upgradable.
great video... does the app allow the control of Deezer?
Deezer?
@@Propelbikes yeh the music service.. you can install it in "free" mode like spotify....
Do you know if this is available for the R&M Superdelite GT Rohloff?
The SmartphoneHub is not compatible with the Rohloff because it doesn’t manage the e-shifting. That information came straight from R&M.
I wanted the same setup - you’re a smart man! 😉
Ruirodtube Thanks for the reply
Love this. It might be possible in the future if Bosch rewrites the software but it’s not possible now.
What is walk assist?
It will push the bike along at around 2-3 mph to assist with pushing up a hill while walking.
how sturdy is the phone holder. i have iphone XR saw you have similar model. i ride a urban arrow fam. mainly urban area but there are quite the bumps when there are some hills going over 25khm (15 MPH) so does it support and hold the "heavier" type of phones. and i asume the regular base hub is all season proof ? im living in Finland where its cold and freezing in the winter. thank you for the walk-trough !
Tuomas, I am on day 2 of owning my Trek Allant+ 9.9s, and my iPhone 11 Pro came out of the holder on my ride today. Thankfully I had the phone plugged in via the charging cable, which prevented it from falling directly onto the street. I am not sure how I am going to fix this issue, but it seems like a major oversight. Didn't they test this out in real world conditions?
Just to follow-up on my own comment, in case anyone else is wondering. I had a few conversations with my Trek dealer and also with a representative at Trek corporate about the issue, and they said they would contact Bosch, but that went nowhere. So I bought a pack of Grifiti Band Joes X Cross Style 6" silicone rubber bands, and it worked like a charm, holding the phone in very snugly. You can find them on Amazon.
I’ve only used the phone holder for a 15 k ride home from work the dealer in London. To be honest the mount scared the hell out of me the whole way. I felt likemy phone would fall out or get nicked at a red light. I was planning to see what it would cost to switch back to the kiox head unit but instead decided to give a quadlock mount a try instead. Since it’s Bluetooth there’s no need to use their holder. I’m not sure yet but it looks like the the universal mount is removable to clean things up.
The comments about the gps route finding are spot on too. Twice the maps tried to send me down pedestrian zones. I had to switch to google maps to get home safely.
@@EdKeen do you have a photo or how you secure your phone?
Quad lock mount solves that problem, it has worked great for us!
How do you install the Smartphone hub on a bike with the Purion Bosch Display?
You would need to re-wire the display to the motor
@@Propelbikes more details would be appreciated
It’s really a job for a shop, but I’ll see if we can do a video on this at some point. The work will vary per bike, but you need to replace the main wire which goes all the way down to the motor and it often runs through the frame.
@@pixbylorne1436 see my comments to Marinko and Johnson above
@@Propelbikes see my comments to Marinko and Johnson above.
not good gov. can track you where ever you go