Honestly, I think the fact that they weren't put together makes a lot better of an effect than if they had. It shows a girl and boy who are able to just be friends without having to be romantic towards one another.
Harry HAD to marry Ginny. That gave him all he'd been missing... the Weasley's were the loving family he'd been robbed of; Molly and Arthur, tho in-laws, gave him back parents; he had a wealth of siblings now and to top it off, Ginny bore a strong resemblance to Lily, Harry's mom. It completed him. JKR shouldn't second guess her initial artist's instincts.
Yeah the fact that Ginny was such a strong resemblance to Harry’s mom and the fact that the weasleys in general were already like family to Harry kind of strains the relationship. Not saying Ginny is a bad match with Harry but if her looking like Lily and her Family being is why Harry is dating her are the two biggest reason then I think that should be a pass. Also Ron and Hermione is too toxic to last more than a summer. Not saying who Hermione should end up with but definitely not Ron.
Actually Rowling said that Harry and Hermione should have ended up together because the rules of Heroes journey writing say so not because it fits her story.
Agree, I believe the friendship they had was like a Brother and Sister relationship. They trusted each other. I also like the fact that Rowling showed that males and females can have a platonic friendship.
Why aren't people seeing that the way Rowling had them in the end literally made the three family?? I feel it just came full circle since they were essentially family throughout the series and their marriages just tied them all together. It's just my opinion, but I think it is so perfect 💜
mysticdaredevil Ron, Hermione, and Harry were family before this though. He was also family to Ron's sister Ginny as well before Harry and Ginny married and before Ron and Hermione married
mysticdaredevil I think you’re spot on. People complained about the epilogue, but I’ve always liked it precisely for the reasons you mentioned. Their happily ever after was beautiful!
I've always loved Harry and Hermione's friendship. I saw them as great role models for male-female friendships. When the books were coming out (so, when I was about 7-14), I had a guy best friend, we were inseparable for years and the whole school thought we were together/secretly crushing on each other, which was never the case. So to those comments we'd usually respond with something along the lines of "we're like Harry and Hermione".
I 100% agree with this. They were so young also when they became friends, that by the time more hormones would have been in effect, it was pretty obvious Ron was into Hermione. Harry is also a pretty stand up guy. You don't go after your best mate's girl.
I agree Harry and Hermione had a brother and sister relationship instead of a romantic relationship, because it would've been to easy for them to be paired up together romantically.
Harry never harboured any romantic feelings for Hermione always saw her as a sister and a friend. In the books harry would describe several girls in attractive ways but the only time he does this with Hermione is in one sentence in goblet of fire. And in book 5 says to her for the record he doesn't find her ugly
@@youdontneedtoknowwhoiam6640 that makes sence, however, with Cho, he did just like her for being pretty at least at first, cause he had bearly even talked to her before liking her, which is pretty normal for a teenager so not judgying him but it was pretty superficial
@@scaranvostok3637 They view each other as friends, but you know why I ship Harry and Hermione. But they are right, a lot of canon shippers just lie and say that Harry and Hermione didn't like each other.
Interesting take on Harry getting the “Pretty girl” by ending up with Ginny. I never saw Harry and Ginny as the stereotypical end because Hermione plays the part of the main heroine. To me the stereotypical hero and heroine get together would have been Harry and Hermione. So J Ks ending couples were actually atypical to me.
You Don't Need To Know Who I Am good point! I agree, it is sweet! To me Harry and Hermione getting together would have been like siblings getting together. 😖. They also both have A type personalities and would probably clash a lot. Whenever Harry has a thinking outside the box idea she often dismisses it. I also disagree with his statement that Hermione understands Harry. To a certain extent, yes. However, she often nags him about things and most importantly oclumecy. She never understood what Harry was going through with Voldemort in his head...something that Ginny COULD understand.
I never saw them together - I loved the portrayal of the pure and innocent boy/girl friendship and always saw them more as a sibling figure for each other (with them both being only children) than any sort of romantic connection
I'm not sure why everyone misses this passage in the book, but in the deathly hallows there's a scene immediately after Ron destroys the locket where he and Harry have a hear to heart. Harry explains to Ron that he does in fact love Hermione. He just doesn't love her in a romantic kind of way, because she's kind of like a sister to him. This I think should put to rest the idea that Harry should have ended up with Hermione. There is also a scene in Goblet of fire where Hermione actually Kisses Harry(on the face), but it's done in a way that's obvious non romantic/non sexual. Something that shows there like brother/sister and they can show affection towards eachother without it being weird.
Also just because in the movies it lightly addresses the whole relationship problem that does not mean that what jk says about Ron and Hermione being a mistake incorrect. Yes she does like to try and change stuff or maybe just give insight to their ideas she had but I do think that because this is so widely debated that jk speaks on it makes it a bit more legit.
@@charlieclark9552 it's pretty damn obvious mate. She was so damn angry with Ron when he dated Lavender Brown and she was miserable for months when Ron left.
I was never onboard with the Harry and Hermione coupling. I agree with you that the books show the chemistry/conflict between Ron and Hermione in a way that in my mind their getting together always was obvious. And I think that Hermione and Harry would not make a great couple, they seem to not have as much fun when Ron isn't around. Besides, the fact that they all end up being part of the Weasly family in the end is great. AAAAND, Ginny always wanted Harry, she was there from the start also, she supported him and fought alongside him as well, so even if she was a stunner and popular, she also shared the journey, including being the damsel in distress for book 2.
Hermiony as a clever witch is surprizingly can not make a perfect patronus, because her embarassment is bigger than her feeling of need of the patronus... she know it would shape a weasel thats why she doesnt want to show it up.
@Kathlyne Guillot I agree filmakers are just used to cliche that lead actress can only be paired with lead actor, they never bothered to read the actual books.
@@ClefairyFairySnowflake both the director and the screenwriter seems huge fan of Emma Watson or Hermione, not just giving her Ron's lines but other character "s line as well hell she was given even Dumbledore 's line.
Yah but I mean it just did not make sense why she liked Ron in the first place. I mean he was an a hole to her for most of the books so not really a good reason for them to get together. Now I do think that she could be with a light hearted guy so maybe not harry though I still ship that but just not Ron anyone but Ron.
That doesn't really work out long-term. When two fundamentally different people get together, their differences are exciting at first, but they become the things they resent in each other later on.
If Harry married Hermione she would've been kinda in his shadow. Hermione worked so hard all the time to build her knowledge and she based her self worth on that knowledge so she wanted to prove herself worthy (ofc as she's a Gryffindor), she wanted it so bad and she was getting it gradually. But if she ended up with Harry who gets this kind of worthiness and attention without much effort, it would've made her more insecure in my opinion.
"why the two never developed feeling for each other" Seriously, WHY THE HELL is being best friends who are intimate with each other *as friends* seen as "not having feelings for each other"?! Having feelings for someone is not the same as wanting a romantic relationship with them. I personally love the fact that Harry and Hermione have those intimate moments (like, when they are comforting each other, or especially that dancing scene in Deathly Hallows) without any romantic (or even sexual) tension between them. They demonstrate something that is highly underrated and underrepresented both in movies/books AND in real life: deep and intimate friendship, platonic love, physical closeness between friends. They have *a lot* of feelings for each other and the type of relationship they have is perfect in my opinion.
But the problem to me is that it felt very obvious that the films were much more invested in Harry and Hermione's relationship than in Hermione and Ron's relationship (or even Harry and Ron's relationship) There's nothing wrong with a guy and a girl having an intimate relationship. There's nothing wrong with a guy and a girl dancing with each other platonically. I would know, my fiancé participates in amateur ballroom dancing competitions and his dancing partner is one of his good female friends because I can't dance to save my life. The problem isn't the intimate friendship, or the dancing, it's the way in which it is told, the way in which it is shot. They could have easily told the story of Harry and Hermione's intimate friendship without it seeming like there was something more, but the way in which they shot it (the entire friendship as well as the dance scene) DEFINITELY made it seem as though there was something more. It would have been possible even to keep the dancing scene and make it seem platonic, (although i hated that scene, not just because of how it was shot, and because it was pointless and took time away from other things, but also because it is so incredibly out of character for Hermione and especially for Harry, who, as we know from book 4, HATES dancing and is terrible at it!) but the way they chose to do it, it did seem like sexual tension, and that's why I have a problem with it
@@Casutama Only the movies,they made so many unnecessary scenes like when Dumbledore asks if Harry is interested in Hermione, the stare at the end of the dance which was completely unnecessary since Ron had just left. It makes Harry look like a bad friend.
You forgot to mention: The aspects of Ginny's personality that Harry found attractive (it was NOT just about her appearance), and the things that brought Harry and Ginny together. The fact that Hermione and Ginny were also best friends (I recently had an idea of when and how I wonder if that started: with Hermione comforting and consoling Ginny after Chamber of Secrets, and subsequently befriending her and taking her under her wing, so that Ginny wouldn't feel so alone and vulnerable and feeling like she didn't have anyone she could talk to anymore) and that Hermione was secretly giving Ginny advice about how to get close to Harry (in Book 5, at the same time as she was giving Harry advice about how to get close to Cho, interestingly).
Say it again for the people on the back!! In the book he says Ginny is too popular for her own good and that she was pretty but he never said that he wanted to date her bc she was pretty. Its hard to see in the movies that he liked Ginny because of her boldness and fiery personality bc quite frankly she isnt like that in the movies. He smelt Ginny in the love potion not because of her looks, but because he truly loved her for her.
Harry said himself in the deathly hollows, that his feelings for Hermione are sisterly in nature. It’s not to say they don’t love one another, it’s just not an intimate relationship.
“Ron willingly stood in Harry’s shadow and hermione was attracted to that sacrifice, but also show of strength... she watched him do it year after year.” Goddamn. Cut deep Shoutout to all the supporting characters out there. Lol
I knew from the first book Hermione was ending up with Ron. Harry will do just about anything to avoid having to engage with her on anything he's experiencing personally, and I can only come up with one time in the books where just the two of them have fun together (when Harry starts shipping Pince and Filch)! On the other hand, if Hermione's having fun with, working together with, or having a conversation with anyone, it's almost always Ron. Plus they basically act as Molly and Arthur stand-ins for Harry when they're at Hogwarts, pretty much parenting him in a lot of points! One reason I think the movies play differently that doesn't get talked about a lot is that Daniel and Emma were closer while Rupert had stronger friendships with other members of the cast. I think that influenced the on-screen chemistry a bit, even though Rupert still played great as the third member of the trio.
It was very obvious to me from the first book that Ron and Hermione were endgame. After the second book when Harry saved Ginny from Voldemort in the chamber, that it was going to be them together as well. If you ever had a friend of the opposite sex, you know that it IS possible to be friends and nothing more. At one point I wondered if Ron was going to be killed in the battle of Hogwarts and Hermione would end up alone, but thankfully I was proven to wrong. The added scene of the dance in the movie was actually a nice touch, and I never viewed it as anything romantic, just one friend trying to keep his other friend from crying. In the book Harry told Ron that Hermione cried for over a week after he left and he never loved her as anything other than a sister. I do wish that Neville had ended up with Luna but you can't have everything
@@nashv.4560 bruh the author never said that. Her interview was taken out of context. Besides who cares? She approved tcc as canon where Hermione doesn't marry Ron she becomes a lady snape. Bitter cruel pathetic and it's approved as canon by the author herself.
@@nashv.4560 She didn't say she regretted them and Harry should have ended up her. She just said in some ways Harry and Hermione were a betterfit than Ron and Hermione. But like her creator she had a thing for funny men. So with a couple of marriage counselling they would be fine. Media took it out of context. And no one cares what she says after she approved tcc as canon where everyone was ooc and the plot was terrible.
@@nashv.4560 What Rowling says after the release of the books doesn't count. It doesn't hurt to know it, but it shouldn't influence your opinion and be a reason as to why one ship is better than the other. It also doesn't change what happened.
It never bothered me who ended up with who but after reading the books you can tell Ron and Hermione have feelings or each other early on, so it just makes sense since it was written that way. As for JK coming out with new information she didn’t include in the books I believe it’s too late. Don’t add extra stuff, what happened in the books happened in the books, you can’t suddenly change everything just to appeal to other people it doesn’t work that way. Pottermore is fun and I enjoy going on it but I look at it as possibility rather than completely cannon just because the books are the only thing we have that’s the story, everything else is just extra that is only an afterthought - which includes any interviews or tweets JK puts out, you can’t suddenly change something that was already in the books just because you suddenly feel like it.
I remember sitting in the theater watching the dance scene, and when it looked like something might happen, “NO, NO, this movie is going to ruin it!” I was very relieved when they didn’t kiss. Harry fundamentally needed family like Hermione and Ron. People he can ultimately trust and stand by him through thick and thin. I agree with Dean, dating Hermione would have put the trio out of balance. My thing is Harry could not afford to lose his wise sister. Harry needed the solid security that a sister can provide, not the uncertainty that comes in a romantic relationship.
You could tell Hermione and Harry were strikingly friends I forgot what book he says it in but Harry talks about how without Ron being with Hermione bored him. While on the other hand from about book two you can see there is something there between Ron and Hermione, and it only builds up the more the books and movies progress. Also in the movies the dance seen I quite enjoy, I don’t see it as a romantic move I see it as Harry seeing how deviated Hermione is over Ron disappearance and just a way to pick her up. I mean I have hugged and danced with my male friends before aswell.
Harry cared about Hermione a lot. Ron resents her a lot for her intelligence and feels that she's a know it all. I think that they are bad for each other. Their bickering is hostile and it should be playful. It's not constructive either. Bickering should be when people are on a similar level. Romione shippers believe that if a guy is mean to a girl then he loves her. It is quite abusive what Ron and Hermione do for each other. Romione shippers feel that only Ron can handle being with Hermione. Whatever that means the thought makes me cringe. I understand reasons why Romione shippers feel that they are perfect but my opinion is that it's not right. Mostly because for me love is understanding loyalty and support. That's why Ron and Hermione don't work for me. That's a subject of interpretation. I read books and I felt that they are bad for each other. I feel sorry for their kids.
@@klaudiagrob You are talking shit. What about all the times Ron stood up for her? All the times Ron stood up for her? No, Ron didn't see her as a know-it-all because when Snape called her the exact same thing, Ron shouted at him. He didn't care if he was expelled. He stood up for her no matter what. He got his face bloodied 3 times when he stood up for her front of snatchers. Besides whenever Hermione talked with Harry he would just keep mum. This is just bad for a relationship. Ron and Hermione wasn't like that. Whenever Ron and Hermione argued, they would be fine with each other the next day. Even though they argued Hermione didn't cry even though she was sensitive. Except the fact that the movies show her crying everytime they argued.
I saw a video recently that pointed out Harry being a Horcrux himself that it's evil magic affected the dursleys negatively, just like when the three carried the locket.
I would think he would be closer to Dudley which would mean he wouldn't be so adverse to being in Slytherin. One of the reasons he begged the hat not to put him there was because Draco was there and Draco's Attitude reminded him of Dudley. If he'd had a more true brotherly relationship with him he wouldn't have so strongly disliked Draco so much.
Idk why but I always loved Ron. I can relate with his character. Hermione may not be the prettiest one but she is one of the best witches in the Potter world. So I ship Ron and Hermione 'cause I want Ron to end up with the best.
Same I agree I see Hermione Towards Ron in different ways laughter and funny things he did Harry Went after Cho and Ginny so felt like they were only friends since he loved 2 girls but Hermione sees Ron as a different person hard to understand but he always protected her no matter what happened he wanted to always make sure she was alright the fire the Snake and everything else
I know there are a few people in the comments saying this as well, but I think Harry and Luna would have been a much better couple. In and after book 5, Harry becomes a very dark character. Having to deal with things that are way beyond him. And the person who understands him through this is Luna. She goes to the department of mysteries with him. She goes to Slughorn's party with him. She is the one of the only people to make him laugh outside of the main trio in his darkest times. She is the only one who recognizes him at the dance based sheerly on mannerisms. She says everything Harry needs to say but couldn't at Dobby's funeral. And many other parts in the books. Dean makes a lot of really great points in this video. And in a lot of ways, his points trace the relationship between Harry and Luna. Dean, if you are reading this, and you agree with me, could you do a video on Harry and Luna's connection?
I think their friendship is more impactful story wise than a romantic relationship would have been. It shows that soulmates come in many forms, sometimes just friends. It’s much less cliche
Eh no I’ve been a Ron/Hermione shipper from day one - Harry and Hermione always seemed liked brother and sister to me (as other comments have said). To me, Harry and Hermione have very strong and important chemistry as best friends. In society, unfortunately, there is a lot of the idea that a straight guy and chick can’t just be close friends that’s one reason I love their friendship. Also, I have no freaking clue why JK even hinted at the fact that she may have made a mistake with R/Hr
According to her, Ron's brother as on the Ace spectrum, Hermione was black the whole time (not saying anything about casting or not casting a black Hermione, just that that wasn't in the physical description of her), Dumbledore was gay the whole time, etc.
Sebastian Smith She was pretty vague about all of it, though. I love JK, but she did do some lazy fan service. However, the announcement about Dumbledore was like 13 years ago or so way before it was trendy to hate HP, the franchise and JK. After learning that and doing a re read it makes sense. Really the only types of people who have an issue with gay Dumbledore are the ones that say like “I have no issue with gay people” and then flip out if they are actually represented.
That's mostly because Rupert Grint Emma Watson and JK Rowling felt that Ron and Hermione would never find real happiness. Ron resents her a lot. I think that they are bad for each other. Their bickering is hostile and it should be playful. It's not constructive either. Romione shippers believe that if a guy is mean to a girl then he loves her. It is quite abusive what Ron and Hermione do for each other. Romione shippers feel that only Ron can handle being with Hermione. Whatever that means the thought makes me cringe. I understand reasons why Romione shippers feel that they are perfect but my opinion is that it's not right. Mostly because for me love is understanding loyalty and support.
Same. And I dont think hes right on ginny and harry being the hot thing or whatever. She is so much more than that, she can comfort him when Hermione cant, and they have so much more in common
JK said a lot of things just to try and get attention after the movies were done and she wasn't famous anymore. Screw her and her lack of integrity to the written word.
I always liked the Hermione Ron plot, I always felt there contrasting personalities complimented each other really well. I always felt that Harry and Hermione had a more brother sister relationship given the way they bounce off each other. Harry and Ginny did seem a little quick, but I like it Ginny was a great character and we always knew she liked Harry. I just think it took Harry some time to realise how he felt especially after Ginny stepped out of the shadow of her many brothers. I think personally that once she joined the DA and started playing quidditch including the events at the ministry Harry began to notice her more as a person and not just Ron's sister.
Yes, I always felt Harry & Hermione were too much alike in personality. Their similar basic personality type, which causes them to personally feel like they must champion the underdog, & struggles to overcome prejudice against their backgrounds (her being muggleborn & him being half-blood because his mom was muggle-born), make them more like siblings.
Umm okay, I get it, opposites attract, right. Even if that is mostly true, Hermione and Ron would have to have something in common for their relationship to work out. The only thing they'd probably have in common with each other is being friends with Harry Potter. I honestly see Hermione and Ron's relationship as a disaster waiting to happen. First off, Ron's not the type to compromise and neither is Hermione and sadly, happy and successful relationships are mostly all about compromise. Second off, the differences in is the cultures in which they grew up in. Sure, Ron may view his mother with respect and authority, but he also comes from a society that believes women are lower than men or that men should support the house and women should stay at home. Third, Ron is really petty and bound to bouts of Jealousy, not to mention having the emotional range of a teaspoon. Hermione is Smart and she has Ambition and she's not going to let anyone keep her down, especially not an overly jealous boyfriend with insecurity issues. In all honesty, if their relationship was real, it'd be one of those emotionally abusive relationships, where the Guy constantly keeps the Girl down and feel bad about themselves or threatening the girl that if she leaves him, he'll kill himself. Think Eric Cartman and Heidi from South Park, but just a little bit more turned down. Although, I don't like Harry and Ginny as a pairing, I could say that their relationship would work out. Honestly though, Harry should've gotten with Fleur.
@@chaosngelx Hey I couldn't disagree more firstly what kind of misogynistic society did you get from reading the books. I never thought that the wizarding world saw women as less than men or 2nd class in some way. The books and the expanded lore are full of examples of famous witches striking out on there own and doing things for themselves. Yeah some of the pure bloods may be a bit sexist sometimes, but on the whole I think women are treated pretty well in the wizarding world. Secondly what kind of psycho do you think Ron would be. He and Hermione may be different but I doubt very much that Ron would end up as some sort of abusive husband manipulating his poor wife. Yeah I know that Ron could be a bit jelous and oblivious with his emotions at times, but at the end of the day he's a teenager and a child. He will grow up and learn to deal with his issues just like the rest of us. After all James Potter was an arogant elitist bully when he was a kid, but as we saw in the books he grew up and changed ending up in a happy stable relationship with Lilly, and I'm sure that Ron would end up growing up fine as well. I also think that Ron and Hermione do have plenty in common, they are both very loyal, inquisitive, fond of adventure and both of them make friends for life. Ron and Hermione are both good people who may not be like two peas in a pod but they compliment each other well, he needs somone to sometimes reassure him and keep his emotions in check and she needs somone to bring her down of her high horse and tell her when she's being a know it all sometimes. Thirdly Harry and Fleur really, they barely know each other. Before Fleur got together with Bill she and Harry had met once for less than a year when he was 14 and didn't see each other again for several years. Harry didn't even fancy her back then pluss she was two years older than him, so why you think that they would have had any sort of romance I can't think. I know people think Harry and Ginny and Ron Hermione was rushed, but Harry and Fleur would have been light speed never mind rushed.
@@simonorourke4465 Okay, prepare to hurt your eyes for I'm going to rant and put in lots and lots of words, probably a novel. Okay look, the general assumption is that Magical Britain is stuck in some kind of pseudo Slightly Modern/Victorian Age/Era. If the SJWs had a say, I'm pretty sure they'd agree that strong whamen were oppressed in those ages. Also, even though the wizarding world did not treat their women like second class citizens (Which is never true about most cultures that are assumed to oppress their women.), that didn't mean they had access to the same rights as men. They still have Hereditary Nobility in their society that is passed down to Male Heirs so that says a lot about their non-misogynistic society. Also, these women that struck out on their own, I'm going to assume are the exception not norm. Just look at Molly Weasley, she went on to defeat Bellatrix Lestrange and she's supposedly the most dangerous after Voldemort, and Molly Weasley is just a housemom. If Molly Weasley was this capable, why is she not some position of power or in a field of work that is of higher standing in their society? One could come to a presumption that in their current culture, it was expected of her to stay home, manage the household while her husband goes off to provide for the family or maybe that's what Molly Weasley just really wanted to do, but I'm going to assume the former. Also, even in misogynistic societies, women could still be treated pretty well, because treating someone or something well doesn't mean equality of status. (sorry this is so long) There are plenty of people who are crazier than Ron and they still wouldn't be considered psychos, even then I never said Ron was a psycho. Also, there are people who never really grow up, even then no one is ever really fully "grown up", we're just better at suppressing our childish and immature tendencies because if we didn't have that inner child to dream for us, could we have every really made flight possible or even space travel? But I digress, I really can see Ron in an emotionally abusive relationship with Hermione. Words are like arrows, once released you can't take them back. I can see an impassioned and insecure Ron lashing out at her and saying something really hurtful or being like a clingy girlfriend that tells you to choose between her or your family/friends. I've seen this, I've experienced this, and I know plenty of girls stuck in emotionally abusive relationships, and girls with personalities similar to the portrayal of Hermione Granger with partners similar to a Ron Weasley. It's not a pretty sight to see. Also, not all adults learn to deal with their issues, they're just better at hiding it now that they are adults, not saying that it's impossible to learn how deal with said issues. Yes, James Potter was an arrogant bully, but he wasn't elitist, else he wouldn't have befriended Remus or Peter, nor would he have ever batted an eyelash over Lily 'filthy lowborn mudblood' Evans. But I'm not trying to defend James Potter here. Also, if you really think about it really, really hard, James and Lily Potter would have been really, young, so we don't know how 'healthy' that relationship would have gone in the long run. They were probably married fresh out of Hogwarts and Lily gave birth to Harry when she was only 20 years old or around there because she died at the age of 21. Even then, we're not really given a specific date or time period of when James and Lily got together. It's generally assumed it was around 6th-7th year that they actually got together, so their relationship was still young and could still have failed if enough time was given. Ron and Hermione do not have Plenty in common, though I will admit they may have some semblance of commonality. Even then, their complimentary traits as you have described them could be applied to a number of family or friends ~cough~ Harry ~cough~. But just as Traits can be complimentary they can also be uncomplimentary and sometimes, it just one small thing in a relationship that can cause a huge rift. For example Ron has potential to be above average, but he's slothful and an underachiever and Hermione being the person she is, would push for him to achieve his potential, but Ron being Ron, would probably not want to, and strive for mediocrity. This scenario could cause lots of small arguments that would eventually evolve into large arguments that would cause resentment from both parties and without Harry as an intermediary would spiral into deeper resentment and eventually the relationship would begin to rot and both parties would start being cancer to each other and eventually they would break up. Speaking from experience here as an intermediary that no longer wanted to deal with all the BS and stopped being the intermediary and watched a relationship crumble. Both Parties are now in a different and healthier relationship. Haha, I actually really ship Harry and Hermione together and see this as a much more likely relationship, despite all the other people telling me that they're, just friends and just like siblings. THE ONLY REASON, that Harry and Hermione did not get together was explicitly admitted by JK Rowling in one of her interviews was that she didn't want to go with the cliche of the Damsel getting with the Hero, even totally she totally went that with that cliche and hooked up the Damsel Ginverva Weasley with the Hero Harry Potter. Disgusting ~spit~ Also, Harry and Fleur could work with some major mental gymnastics, but even then there's not enough actual canon character development or information on Fleur for me to Justify it (XD). Though, if we're not talking about pure facts and go with assumptions we could say that maybe both Fleur and Harry understands what it's like to have unwanted attention and being ostracized by their peers. Fleur having to deal with her Veela Heritage and Harry with his 'Chosen One' status. Just like Harry, maybe Fleur has a small handful of friends that she can trust just like Harry. She could probably see a little bit of herself in Harry and attempt make Harry live up to his own potential, to make other realize that he is more than just The-Boy-Who-Lived,maybe just as she attempted to be more than just the pretty Veela rich girl by trying to win the Tri-Wizard Tournament. I could probably make more assumptions about their possible similarities that could possibly build up their relationship, but I don't want this to be longer than it already is. Also, if anyone's relationship was rushed in at light speed, it was Harry and Ginny's relationship. It's been a while since I've read the book, but I remembered being blindsided by his sudden interest in Ginny. I mean, Cho got jealous at Hermione being so close with Harry, not Ginny, if I remember correctly. And I mean, if that wasn't a flag for HarryxHermione happening I don't know what was, I mean obviously Cho Chang didn't think they were 'Just Friends' or 'Like Siblings'. So she had to have seen the potential of a relationship somewhere there if she was getting jealous over Hermione. Back to Harry and Ginny, the movies did even worse, I mean, he saw her making out with Dean Thomas and all of a sudden Harry got wood and decided, 'Oh look Ginny's making out with Dean, I'm totally in love with her now I hope she conveniently breaks up with Dean and tries to get at me'. I mean really, what the effing hell brah, forget rushed at light speed, this was rushed at Warp Speed. Honestly, I love the books, but I think Rowling should've just gone with a Harem Anime ending and left everything open ended, none of the main cast of characters hooking up with anyone and let the fans have their dreams and determinations of what happened afterwards. I can't believe she even approved The Cursed Child as cannon because it totally retconned some of her own things, ugh, I'm glad I have never seen it, god bless.
What about harry and Luna? Harry had more moments with Luna than Ginny. Luna and Dumbledore were the only 2 in Hogwarts that understood harry. Luna sympathised with harry, they both lost parents. Hermione opposed harry half the time and supported the rest- she opposes marauders map, cloak of invisibility, half blood price book, Harry's theory of voldy giving draco a job and branding him with the dark mark. In the starting of the 7th book harry wanted to go to the godrics hollow without even knowing the full history. He was right Dumbledore lived there, harry was born there, goric Gryffindor was born there and much more. Hermione opposed going there in the start then agreed. Dumbledore himself said voldy wanted to make the 7th horcrux the night he tried to kill harry, and he did harry himself. Most importantly Hermione opposed finding the deathly Hallows which ended up killing Voldemort with rebounding avada kedavara because the elder wand wouldn't kill its master. Check the books. Luna always supported harry .
I think Harry and Hermione were more siblings from the start. I think she belonged with Ron because they were so unlike each other making their relationship so interesting❤💛💙💚
I dont understand why people ship them, harry himself said he sees her as a sister. And jo never said she regrets putting hermione with ron. A writer twisted her words into that horrible sentence, so if your a harmione shipper, the ship has not even sailed.
Harry and Luna would have been an interesting pairing, but I don't think Luna ever saw Harry in that light. It seemed like she saw him just as a friend.
Awesome video as usual! Here is my take on it. The movie and books have totally different dynamics, so I'm going with the book here. Rowling actually does an amazing job evolving the relationship between Harry and Ginny. I don't want to write a whole essay here but really think about their interactions from the first book on. I think Ginny would understand Harry in ways Hermione never could. As she said herself, who else knows what it's like to have Voldemort in their head? Not to mention the shared love of quidditch. She just seems to know when Harry needs to be called out, and when he needs to be supported. Hermione and Harry wouldn't work, in my opinion. They are good friends but as a couple, I think they would drive each other crazy. Hermione would keep pushing, and Harry would shut down. I think she and Ron could work well because the dynamic between them would be a lot like the dynamic between Mr. and Mrs. Weasly.
I completely agree! Yeah, at first Ginny saw Harry as a knight in shining armor, but, I mean, she was 11! Once she got to know him she loved him for him. And you can even see she knows him in book 2 when she confronts Ron. She knew he didn't want the attention. I think Harry and Ginny are a great pairing ❤
@@klaudiagrob Ron grew up. He changed for the better for her. Hermione too was equally mean. She used Cormac to spite Ron and put up one or two snide remarks on him too.
But they say it in the movie, I think. It's because Dumbledore is afraid of those who seek power and he knows Newt doesn't. He writes books about creatures that no wizard cares, after all xD
It is clear from their first encouter on the Hogwarts Express that Ron/Hermione would be the "opposites attrack" thing. Ginny was created for the sole proprose of Harry marrying into the Weasley family. Those are things that were planned from the beginning am I could see that as a 8 year old. Harry and Hermione make absolute no sense in the books, the only time it is ever bought up is when Ron is destroying the Horcrux, that's an insecurity of him, of Hermione going for the hero and fame and whatever, but that's not who Hermione is and also not who Harry wants, he makes sure to say that he loves her as a sister. Harry/Hermione could cheapen her character a lot, and also the friendship they built. Now, the scene in Deathly Hallows 1 with Harry and Hermione dancing: imagine if the scene was in the book. Besides all the war and Horcruxes and etc, Harry knows that Hermione is suffering a lot because of Ron. He also missed Ron, but is clearly different. He is not the best in conforting people with words, he is better at action, so a song comes up and he asks her to dance, to confort her. They are teenagers and they are scared and they have a light moment in all that darkness. A true and sweet friendship moment. This is one added scene in the movie that I really loved, but because I could relate it to their friendship in the books. If I had only watched the movies I for sure would think they were going to kiss. But the movies generally destroyed Ron's character and even gave his lines to Hermione, because hey she's pretty!
I kinda wish they all could’ve grown up to be friends. Crushes here and there but I didn’t think it had to end romantically. I don’t think any of the pairing options were perfect couples
I like the pairing that was written in the books. I usually like to stick with canon couples. Ron + Hermione belong together and Harry + Ginny belong together.
Ron constantly belittled and badgered Hermione that went way beyond a childish crush and Ginny never really got over her Fangirl stage before she and Harry got together. Just saying...
some one I said never “really” because she still wanted to be with him. Being saved by Harry when she was eleven didn’t change that. I’d say her sixth year without Harry at school helped a lot more than the DA in Harry’s fifth, her fourth, year alone. I’m not saying she always remained a fangirl, just that she held onto a bit of fangirlness by the end of her fifth year if only because it was cemented by a literal dream come true when Harry saved her much like a knight would save a princess.
There’s a difference between what JK wrote and what she wanted to write. Yes, she wanted Harry and Ginny, as well as Ron and Hermione. What she ended up writing favored Harry and Hermione more the canon couples, but she wanted her pairings to be together, like she wrote years before the first book was published. True story: JK wrote out her ending to the final book years before the series got published and made into movies. The fact that her writing strayed from it is what led to Harry and Hermione having many moments that implied they could get together.
I have read the books in the books I feel like Ron and Hermione are perfect but in the movies I feel like Harry and Hermione should have got together it was obvious chemistry between the two
Yes, but that's the films fault for portraying it wrong for 8 films. They can't just change the ending because they discover last minute that they didn't think their scripts through properly
You have to be blind to not see the chemistry between Ron and Hermione and to think her and Harry could have ever ended up together. People only ship them because Harry is the mc and Hermione the main female character. And also because of the movies.
Sydney Chuang read Goblet of Fire...after he part where Ron gets upset and leaves. Hermione bores Harry without Ron around...now imagine them spending all their time together.
Ron resents her a lot for her intelligence and feels that she's a know it all. I think that they are bad for each other. Their bickering is hostile and it should be playful. It's not constructive either. Romione shippers believe that if a guy is mean to a girl then he loves her. It is quite abusive what Ron and Hermione do for each other. Romione shippers feel that only Ron can handle being with Hermione. Whatever that means the thought makes me cringe. I understand reasons why Romione shippers feel that they are perfect but my opinion is that it's not right. Mostly because for me love is understanding loyalty and support. That's why Ron and Hermione don't work for me.
@@maraudentium2607 Harry cared about Hermione so much. Harry needs her but Canon shippers believe that Harry doesn't care about her. It's just a way to come up with reasons to justify Harry/Ginny and Ron/Hermione. Not to mention that same Goblet of Fire book also states that Harry feels that Hermione understands more than Ron.
It seems like Ron might be the James to Hermione's Lily; that is, Harry and Hermione are too similar, like Snape's and Lily's Patronuses being the exact same doe and James' being a stag. Ron is a good match to both Harry and Hermione, but the latter is a girl, so romance as opposed to just friendship.
James and Lily weren't really opposites since the only true problem James had was his arrogance and his constant pranking and James became a better man in the end. James was very intelligent (not like Lily but still) and loyal and compassionate. Now Ron and Hermione are real opposites and can you really say that Hermione can sit down and have a real conversation with Ron about something that she has interest in? The answer is no they cannot.
Damian Allen Hermione doesn’t seem like the conversation type. At in the realm of romance. Though I reckon she actually can have a passionate conversation with Ron and he’s earnestly try to go with it for a while anyway. Hermione is more a rambler.
The movies completely messed up the Harry and Ginny story line and the chemistry between the actors just wasn’t there but there’s no way they could have known that when they cast them when they were 10. Daniel grew up to be a bit awkward and a little nerdy and short for Harry and Bonnie was just kind of emotionless throughout the whole movies and didn’t fit Ginny’s description too well in later movies. The actors just didn’t fit well. Emma and Daniel looked better together they had great chemistry as actors, but the books just made a lot more sense with the pairings.
Actually, I have many problems with Dan's appearance whe n it comes to his playing Harry, but his height and nerdiness are not among them. Harry's always described to be small in the books, and although not ugly definitely not a Cedric Diggory-like stunner
They didn't give ginny much to work with, with the lines she got, the shoe tying, cookie feeding, uncomfortable silences.. I don't think it was the actresses foult
Maybe he's actually not. When Harry was trying to proudly say "but I am the chosen one" in film 6, Hermione wouldn't have it. Or I don't know, maybe Hermione just didn't like him being sassy.
There is also the simple fact the two of them just aren't suited to each other. Hermione is a bit of a nag, and needs someone who will give as well as take, but will also listen. That is not Harry. It is Ron. In fact I knew they were destined for each other once I saw Ron's parents with their constant back and forth.
No shade, but I wouldn’t call Ginny the beauty compared to Hermione in the movies. But I understand that Ginny was prettier in the books. I think the issue I have with Harry and Ginny was that it was random as all hell where Harry suddenly has this crazy infatuation with her in Half-Blood Prince with no build or tension.
Ginny was always depicted in the books as good-looking, only Harry did not really notice it, as she had always been Ron's little sister for him. But then we have descriptions of her in book 6, after the meeting at Slughorn's compartment when Zabini tells Draco and the others why Slughorn called him, Draco asks but why did Slughorn invite the "Weasley girl", what is so special about her. Pansy says that "a lot of boys like her, and even you (Zabini) think that she is good-looking and we know how hard you are to please". So Rowling tells us that Ginny is really very pretty. After Harry's crush for Cho had ended, he finally noticed both how pretty and also what a nice character Ginny was. I was suspicious while reading Book 6, when on the Hogwarts express Harry felt "a strange twinge of annoyance as she walked away" to meet Dean. Harry simply did not realise how much he came to like Ginny during the summer break. Then during the first lesson Amortentia smelled to him like Ginny. Then it was clear to me that Harry liked Ginny very much without him knowing it. So Harry liked Ginny's look, liked also Ginny's smell very much. "A perfect chemistry", as nowadays people often say.
The movies are irrelevant for this discussion, because they way the story was planned by Rowling was based on how she describes the characters in the book, not on their film actresses. You might want to reread Book 5 - it actually lays the foundation for Harry/Ginny very beautifully in a subtle way. Even if Harry had suddenly had a crazy infatuation with her, though - remember that he's 16. I definitely became very quickly infatuated with attractive people at that age, it makes sense for a teenager
Sydney Carton actually Ginny is a little bit of lily because of her red hair, but she has the personality of James. So she reminds Harry of his parents. Red hair reminds him of his mother, and personality reminds him of his father.
William O'Connell Harry and Ginny definitely makes the most sense, but I don’t know. It’s just not my ship. Personally, I prefer Cho on a fairly shallow basis. Kinda sucks how that relationship went ://
I would also add that Ron and Hermione's relationship very much mirrored Mr. and Mrs. Weasley's relationship, which we all know was one of the healthiest, stablest, and most loving relationships in the series.
I think Harry starts to fall for Ginny in Order of the Phoenix over Christmas, and it isn’t until after he recovers from the loss of Sirius in HBP that he realises. In OotP when they here Mad Eye saying that You know who may be possessing him, Harry withdraws into himself. When Hermione visits, she makes excuses for him, saying that maybe they have been avoiding each other, but Ginny flat calls him out on his behaviour, “Well that’s a bit stupid of you. Seeing as you don’t know anyone but me who’s been possessed by You Know who, and I can tell you how it feels.” We also learn in OotP that Ginny is an excellent Quidditch player. And in the DA and at the Ministry, she not only holds her own, but performs better than most. This shows that she is very smart in her own right, but also very able in a tight situation (like Harry is). The truth is Ginny and Harry have a lot in common, but unlike Hermione and Ron, Ginny will call him out when he is wrong. I think this makes her a good fit for Harry, as he is a bit hot headed and she has the ability to talk him down when he is angry.
I feel like Harry and Ginny feel like a forced couple in the movies but if you read the books it makes so much sense that they ended up together. In the Order of the Phoenix book there is a lot of chemistry building up which isn't in the movie and in the Half Blood Prince book they actually hang out a lot on the grounds which also isn't in the movie. I think that Ginny and Harry are a perfect couple because I feel like Hermione wouldn't be enough fun for Harry so I think it just wouldn't have worked. Also Ginny gets how Harry felt when Voldemort was in his head because Voldemort posessed her. That's just my opinion though.
Because they weren't romantically attracted and sometimes the central protagonist doesn't get the person we'd rather they be shipped with. Did it get it right?
@@HarryPotterFolklore Ron and Hermione is how it should be, just because you don't like it. Try to be more neutral in future, rather than imposing your opinion - OK?
I disagree with one thing you said. Harry would have ended up with Hermione "the girl who went with him" on the journey. But what about Ron? he only got Hermione because Harry did not want her? From the start, Ron and Hermione had the type of relationship you see in real life. Always arguing and having issues cause too afraid to say how they feel. Hermione spent way more time with Ron in the books then she did with Harry. she stayed at the burrow a lot more then Harry, she was with the order of the Pheonix before Harry even knew about it. Hermione had every say in who she wanted and I am sorry but I did not see her being into Harry. After all, Hermione is the character that represents JK Rowling and Ron is the kid that represents JK's crush. She did a good job of showing it from the start.
I think Hermione is family to Harry, someone who's a constant comfort & he deeply care for. That can sometimes be even more important than romance. Hermione can be overly protective towards Harry, while Harry sometime drop his angry bombs on his friends and Hermione wouldn't dare to disagree. Hermione & Ron in many scenes (from the book at least) feel like parents to Harry, they always disagree, but put Harry best interest at hearts in their own way. Hermione-Ron relationship works because it's part of the trio's friendship dynamic.
@Golden Eagle OH really? We must've read different books. Please explain to me why a relationship between Ron and Hermione would be healthier. Enlighten me with your superior knowledge.
I do not like the idea of Harry and Hermione together because it would ruin their friendship. I like what you did in this video and totally agree with you.
Agreed that the movies had its influences, like fanfiction about Draco with Hermione which def came from the attractiveness of the actors and the excitement of someone ”bad” changing from love etc. Purely from the books the pairing seem much less likely. I do love Harmione fanfiction as Well but book-wise Harry & Hermione was never truly endgame.
Harry and Hermione’s rejarionship seems to me more professional than romantic. That’s why I think they worked well together and were both single minded in their purpose. They were the perfect team with Ron being the “sanity check.”
Honestly, I think the fact that they weren't put together makes a lot better of an effect than if they had. It shows a girl and boy who are able to just be friends without having to be romantic towards one another.
I like that.
It makes sense
@@nashv.4560 Bru
Explain
friends with benefits
Harry: She's like my sister. I love her like my sister.
Me: Well, I've read "Game of Thrones"
*Alabama has joined the chat*
Ginny and Harry are distant cousins though.
Ginny's more of a sister though
😂
@@hmmmno9511 You made my day
Ginny wasn't just a pretty girl--she was sharp and took up for herself, and had characteristics that were a good balance for and with Harry.
The thing is that this isn’t shown in the movies
She was also able to relate to Harry in a pretty unique way, having (apart from Harry) the closest in-person experience with Voldemort out of the trio
Lisa Cox in the books you can appreciate this
🤢
This is not true Hermione is more stunning and beautiful in the reality
Harry HAD to marry Ginny. That gave him all he'd been missing... the Weasley's were the loving family he'd been robbed of; Molly and Arthur, tho in-laws, gave him back parents; he had a wealth of siblings now and to top it off, Ginny bore a strong resemblance to Lily, Harry's mom. It completed him. JKR shouldn't second guess her initial artist's instincts.
Beautifully said. Well Done
Yeah I think Harry and Ginny is really cute and So is Ron and Hermione, I like it that way and no one can say anything o change my opinion :>
I kinda wish the Weasley family would've adopted him instead
Yeah the fact that Ginny was such a strong resemblance to Harry’s mom and the fact that the weasleys in general were already like family to Harry kind of strains the relationship. Not saying Ginny is a bad match with Harry but if her looking like Lily and her Family being is why Harry is dating her are the two biggest reason then I think that should be a pass. Also Ron and Hermione is too toxic to last more than a summer. Not saying who Hermione should end up with but definitely not Ron.
@@liljanataraj8180 I agree with u so much!
Harry actually says in the Deathly Hallows book that he “loves Hermione like a sister”
Leon Perkins sweet home Alabama?
Tormented Legend If he were from Alabama I wouldn’t take that as platonic love but since he’s from Surrey, England I do 😂
@@leonperkins6476 what happens in alabama guys?
chadyfrs93 There’s a joke about there being a lot of incest in Alabama
@@leonperkins6476 alight , thanks, I m not from the US so I wouldn t know
JK Rowling: Harry and Hermione should've ended up together.
Translation: Daniel Radcliffe and Emma Watson should've ended up together.
I'd have liked that better
No!!
Actually Rowling said that Harry and Hermione should have ended up together because the rules of Heroes journey writing say so not because it fits her story.
@@matthewrosenthal753 Hermione was created for him but turned out for Ron
RJ 😍
No one:
Rowling: ”Harry and Hermione cheated for years but were caught by Moaning Myrtle”
😂😂😂
😂😂😂
Yay
Lol
The worst part is...I can literally imagining her telling this😂😂😂..
Agree, I believe the friendship they had was like a Brother and Sister relationship. They trusted each other. I also like the fact that Rowling showed that males and females can have a platonic friendship.
The films made Harry and Hermione's relationship sexual and Harry and Ginny's Awkward and out-of-nowhere. I'm so gland they're not canon
Amazing video and insight as always Dean!
MovieFlame hi
:O u Luv u movie flane
Ooh hi I really love your channel!!!!
MovieFlame Hii! Big fan dude!
i watch all of your harry potter explained , i love you
Why aren't people seeing that the way Rowling had them in the end literally made the three family?? I feel it just came full circle since they were essentially family throughout the series and their marriages just tied them all together.
It's just my opinion, but I think it is so perfect 💜
mysticdaredevil Ron, Hermione, and Harry were family before this though. He was also family to Ron's sister Ginny as well before Harry and Ginny married and before Ron and Hermione married
Facts
@@jilldurham5498... That is literally what I just said
mysticdaredevil no you said they were family at the end not before. there is a difference
mysticdaredevil I think you’re spot on. People complained about the epilogue, but I’ve always liked it precisely for the reasons you mentioned. Their happily ever after was beautiful!
I've always loved Harry and Hermione's friendship. I saw them as great role models for male-female friendships. When the books were coming out (so, when I was about 7-14), I had a guy best friend, we were inseparable for years and the whole school thought we were together/secretly crushing on each other, which was never the case. So to those comments we'd usually respond with something along the lines of "we're like Harry and Hermione".
"Emma was too pretty for the part"
That is a strange compliment
If you read the books you can see why he said that as she was portrayed in a very non flattering way.
I always felt like Harry and Hermione were more sister brother being only children.
I 100% agree with this. They were so young also when they became friends, that by the time more hormones would have been in effect, it was pretty obvious Ron was into Hermione. Harry is also a pretty stand up guy. You don't go after your best mate's girl.
Yeah i agree there’s no sexual attraction between them , its just too awkward trying to see them together like that ... it’s almost incest
I agree Harry and Hermione had a brother and sister relationship instead of a romantic relationship, because it would've been to easy for them to be paired up together romantically.
Agreed! Harry even says in DH that he loves her, but in a sisterly way
Karen Bowler saaaame!!
Harry never harboured any romantic feelings for Hermione always saw her as a sister and a friend. In the books harry would describe several girls in attractive ways but the only time he does this with Hermione is in one sentence in goblet of fire. And in book 5 says to her for the record he doesn't find her ugly
Also finding someone pretty doesn’t mean you have feelings for them
@@youdontneedtoknowwhoiam6640 that makes sence, however, with Cho, he did just like her for being pretty at least at first, cause he had bearly even talked to her before liking her, which is pretty normal for a teenager so not judgying him but it was pretty superficial
Canon shippers think that Harry doesn't like Hermione. In fact he cares about her a lot.
@@klaudiagrob he does. But in a way a younger brother/very close platonic friend.
@@scaranvostok3637 They view each other as friends, but you know why I ship Harry and Hermione. But they are right, a lot of canon shippers just lie and say that Harry and Hermione didn't like each other.
Interesting take on Harry getting the “Pretty girl” by ending up with Ginny. I never saw Harry and Ginny as the stereotypical end because Hermione plays the part of the main heroine. To me the stereotypical hero and heroine get together would have been Harry and Hermione. So J Ks ending couples were actually atypical to me.
You Don't Need To Know Who I Am good point! I agree, it is sweet! To me Harry and Hermione getting together would have been like siblings getting together. 😖. They also both have A type personalities and would probably clash a lot. Whenever Harry has a thinking outside the box idea she often dismisses it. I also disagree with his statement that Hermione understands Harry. To a certain extent, yes. However, she often nags him about things and most importantly oclumecy. She never understood what Harry was going through with Voldemort in his head...something that Ginny COULD understand.
Sooo true
@@youdontneedtoknowwhoiam6640 bro I am telling Hermione is can do better than ron
@@youdontneedtoknowwhoiam6640 yoyur correect but who do you suggest Hermione ends up with
@@youdontneedtoknowwhoiam6640 you know Neville ending with Hermione makes sense
I think you explained this perfectly. I always felt Ron and Hermione balanced each other and still managed to have passion.
In my opinion, Harry was a blend of both Ron and Hermione, don't you think? Which is one of the reasons I ship Romione
I never saw them together - I loved the portrayal of the pure and innocent boy/girl friendship and always saw them more as a sibling figure for each other (with them both being only children) than any sort of romantic connection
I've never seen them in a romantic way. I saw them as sibling type figures for each other as well, and great friends too.
Holly, try looking up the Legend of Spyro trilogy if you want another siblings as the main heroes story (Spyro, Sparx and Cynder)
@@emeraldqueen1994 I'll check it out thanks!
Yeah I agree. Theres also the point that if harry got with Hermione, who would ron date?
@@malayalandon1695 there is literally a whole world of people out there Ron could date? Why are we so worried about him?
I'm not sure why everyone misses this passage in the book, but in the deathly hallows there's a scene immediately after Ron destroys the locket where he and Harry have a hear to heart. Harry explains to Ron that he does in fact love Hermione. He just doesn't love her in a romantic kind of way, because she's kind of like a sister to him. This I think should put to rest the idea that Harry should have ended up with Hermione.
There is also a scene in Goblet of fire where Hermione actually Kisses Harry(on the face), but it's done in a way that's obvious non romantic/non sexual. Something that shows there like brother/sister and they can show affection towards eachother without it being weird.
You do realise that in that scene, Harry could not make eye contact with Ron while saying that? Why do you think that is?
XACTLY
@@Stonytude That's the movies. Not the books. The movies aren't Canon. The books are
@@coribakescakes4279 reread the books. It's all down there in black and white
Also just because in the movies it lightly addresses the whole relationship problem that does not mean that what jk says about Ron and Hermione being a mistake incorrect. Yes she does like to try and change stuff or maybe just give insight to their ideas she had but I do think that because this is so widely debated that jk speaks on it makes it a bit more legit.
Harry and Hermione always seemed to be more sibling like than anything IMO. The books it comes across a lot more clearly than it does in the movies.
No if you doesn't want Harry and hermoine it's ok but they are not like brothers and sister
Yay Yay right 😂
@@upasnabharija8804 Aapka pura khaandaan mein sab aise hi karte hain kya 🤣?
They seem too similar to me
In the "Deathly Hallows" Harry says he "loves Hermione like a sister" and that he "reckons she feels the same way"
And yet we never found out how Hermione felt about harry
@@charlieclark9552 it's pretty damn obvious mate. She was so damn angry with Ron when he dated Lavender Brown and she was miserable for months when Ron left.
I was never onboard with the Harry and Hermione coupling. I agree with you that the books show the chemistry/conflict between Ron and Hermione in a way that in my mind their getting together always was obvious. And I think that Hermione and Harry would not make a great couple, they seem to not have as much fun when Ron isn't around. Besides, the fact that they all end up being part of the Weasly family in the end is great. AAAAND, Ginny always wanted Harry, she was there from the start also, she supported him and fought alongside him as well, so even if she was a stunner and popular, she also shared the journey, including being the damsel in distress for book 2.
Hermiony as a clever witch is surprizingly can not make a perfect patronus, because her embarassment is bigger than her feeling of need of the patronus... she know it would shape a weasel thats why she doesnt want to show it up.
I see them as brother and sister
@@zxzx7450 me too
Exactly 😊
I think the films butchers Ron’s character!
@Kathlyne Guillot I agree filmakers are just used to cliche that lead actress can only be paired with lead actor, they never bothered to read the actual books.
Poor Ron, always getting the short end of the stick! What a shame! They could have done so much better with his character! I agree with that!
@@ClefairyFairySnowflake both the director and the screenwriter seems huge fan of Emma Watson or Hermione, not just giving her Ron's lines but other character "s line as well hell she was given even Dumbledore 's line.
@@ramanpalsingh5435 😲 Whoa! Is Hermione really that much of a plain Jane? They really should have given her better lines!
@@ClefairyFairySnowflake exactly my thoughts
You're correct that this is a creation of the movies. The books clearly keep Hermione interested in Ron throughout.
I always thought that book hermione looked like how trelawney was portrayed in the movies but obviously much younger
Also, I think that the prematurely mature Hermione would need someone more joyful and youthful to balence herself out.
That makes a lot of sense
YE YE
Yah but I mean it just did not make sense why she liked Ron in the first place. I mean he was an a hole to her for most of the books so not really a good reason for them to get together. Now I do think that she could be with a light hearted guy so maybe not harry though I still ship that but just not Ron anyone but Ron.
That doesn't really work out long-term. When two fundamentally different people get together, their differences are exciting at first, but they become the things they resent in each other later on.
Lilas Duveteux yh
Can you do What if Sirius and Remus raised Harry or What if James and Lily survive
Yes yes yes do if James and lily survived
I think there’s one about if Neville was the chosen one so Harry would have a normal life
Or What if Harry fell for Parvati during the yule ball
@@amanekabbaj Let me guess...Film Theory?
Harry and Hermione would have ended up together
If Harry married Hermione she would've been kinda in his shadow. Hermione worked so hard all the time to build her knowledge and she based her self worth on that knowledge so she wanted to prove herself worthy (ofc as she's a Gryffindor), she wanted it so bad and she was getting it gradually. But if she ended up with Harry who gets this kind of worthiness and attention without much effort, it would've made her more insecure in my opinion.
"why the two never developed feeling for each other"
Seriously, WHY THE HELL is being best friends who are intimate with each other *as friends* seen as "not having feelings for each other"?!
Having feelings for someone is not the same as wanting a romantic relationship with them.
I personally love the fact that Harry and Hermione have those intimate moments (like, when they are comforting each other, or especially that dancing scene in Deathly Hallows) without any romantic (or even sexual) tension between them. They demonstrate something that is highly underrated and underrepresented both in movies/books AND in real life: deep and intimate friendship, platonic love, physical closeness between friends.
They have *a lot* of feelings for each other and the type of relationship they have is perfect in my opinion.
But the problem to me is that it felt very obvious that the films were much more invested in Harry and Hermione's relationship than in Hermione and Ron's relationship (or even Harry and Ron's relationship)
There's nothing wrong with a guy and a girl having an intimate relationship. There's nothing wrong with a guy and a girl dancing with each other platonically. I would know, my fiancé participates in amateur ballroom dancing competitions and his dancing partner is one of his good female friends because I can't dance to save my life.
The problem isn't the intimate friendship, or the dancing, it's the way in which it is told, the way in which it is shot. They could have easily told the story of Harry and Hermione's intimate friendship without it seeming like there was something more, but the way in which they shot it (the entire friendship as well as the dance scene) DEFINITELY made it seem as though there was something more.
It would have been possible even to keep the dancing scene and make it seem platonic, (although i hated that scene, not just because of how it was shot, and because it was pointless and took time away from other things, but also because it is so incredibly out of character for Hermione and especially for Harry, who, as we know from book 4, HATES dancing and is terrible at it!) but the way they chose to do it, it did seem like sexual tension, and that's why I have a problem with it
If something isn't written doesn't mean it isn't there sometimes you have to feel
@@dhruvbharija172 Lol what?
@@Casutama Only the movies,they made so many unnecessary scenes like when Dumbledore asks if Harry is interested in Hermione, the stare at the end of the dance which was completely unnecessary since Ron had just left. It makes Harry look like a bad friend.
@@dhruvbharija172 But Harry and Hermione had no romantic feelings for each other...
You forgot to mention:
The aspects of Ginny's personality that Harry found attractive (it was NOT just about her appearance), and the things that brought Harry and Ginny together.
The fact that Hermione and Ginny were also best friends (I recently had an idea of when and how I wonder if that started: with Hermione comforting and consoling Ginny after Chamber of Secrets, and subsequently befriending her and taking her under her wing, so that Ginny wouldn't feel so alone and vulnerable and feeling like she didn't have anyone she could talk to anymore) and that Hermione was secretly giving Ginny advice about how to get close to Harry (in Book 5, at the same time as she was giving Harry advice about how to get close to Cho, interestingly).
Say it again for the people on the back!! In the book he says Ginny is too popular for her own good and that she was pretty but he never said that he wanted to date her bc she was pretty. Its hard to see in the movies that he liked Ginny because of her boldness and fiery personality bc quite frankly she isnt like that in the movies. He smelt Ginny in the love potion not because of her looks, but because he truly loved her for her.
Harry said himself in the deathly hollows, that his feelings for Hermione are sisterly in nature. It’s not to say they don’t love one another, it’s just not an intimate relationship.
It's a very intimate relationship, just not a romantic and sexual one
@@Casutama a brother and sister relationship
Again the Chamber of Secrets...
*That’s were everybody get’s love.*
“Ron willingly stood in Harry’s shadow and hermione was attracted to that sacrifice, but also show of strength... she watched him do it year after year.” Goddamn. Cut deep
Shoutout to all the supporting characters out there. Lol
Willing pffft the guy became a jealous wreck after book three
@@logandelaharpe6362 Only in GOF.
God bless them...
*Thank you Dean for reminding me how AWESOME Harry Potter is*
I knew from the first book Hermione was ending up with Ron. Harry will do just about anything to avoid having to engage with her on anything he's experiencing personally, and I can only come up with one time in the books where just the two of them have fun together (when Harry starts shipping Pince and Filch)! On the other hand, if Hermione's having fun with, working together with, or having a conversation with anyone, it's almost always Ron. Plus they basically act as Molly and Arthur stand-ins for Harry when they're at Hogwarts, pretty much parenting him in a lot of points!
One reason I think the movies play differently that doesn't get talked about a lot is that Daniel and Emma were closer while Rupert had stronger friendships with other members of the cast. I think that influenced the on-screen chemistry a bit, even though Rupert still played great as the third member of the trio.
Actually no, Rupert and Emma were very close during the casting of the films and Daniel was more of a third wheel
@@alliandalex7142 yeah,exactly..rupert and emma are more close
@@youdontneedtoknowwhoiam6640 Half-Blood Prince, The Unbreakable Vow, toward the beginning of the chapter
Actually I didn't.
@Yay Yay thats because of the sitty scripts
It was very obvious to me from the first book that Ron and Hermione were endgame. After the second book when Harry saved Ginny from Voldemort in the chamber, that it was going to be them together as well. If you ever had a friend of the opposite sex, you know that it IS possible to be friends and nothing more. At one point I wondered if Ron was going to be killed in the battle of Hogwarts and Hermione would end up alone, but thankfully I was proven to wrong. The added scene of the dance in the movie was actually a nice touch, and I never viewed it as anything romantic, just one friend trying to keep his other friend from crying. In the book Harry told Ron that Hermione cried for over a week after he left and he never loved her as anything other than a sister. I do wish that Neville had ended up with Luna but you can't have everything
im just glad that for once FOR ONCE the man boy and girl did NOT end up together.
@@nashv.4560 nope. the main reason harmione is bullcrap bcz they dont love each other in a romantic way like Ron Hermione do LMAO🤣
@@nashv.4560 bruh the author never said that. Her interview was taken out of context. Besides who cares? She approved tcc as canon where Hermione doesn't marry Ron she becomes a lady snape. Bitter cruel pathetic and it's approved as canon by the author herself.
@@nashv.4560 She didn't say she regretted them and Harry should have ended up her. She just said in some ways Harry and Hermione were a betterfit than Ron and Hermione. But like her creator she had a thing for funny men. So with a couple of marriage counselling they would be fine. Media took it out of context. And no one cares what she says after she approved tcc as canon where everyone was ooc and the plot was terrible.
@@nashv.4560 What Rowling says after the release of the books doesn't count. It doesn't hurt to know it, but it shouldn't influence your opinion and be a reason as to why one ship is better than the other. It also doesn't change what happened.
I completly agree with you concerning this subject. 😊 people may have WANTED Harry & Hermione together but it would ruin the storyline. 😉
It never bothered me who ended up with who but after reading the books you can tell Ron and Hermione have feelings or each other early on, so it just makes sense since it was written that way. As for JK coming out with new information she didn’t include in the books I believe it’s too late. Don’t add extra stuff, what happened in the books happened in the books, you can’t suddenly change everything just to appeal to other people it doesn’t work that way.
Pottermore is fun and I enjoy going on it but I look at it as possibility rather than completely cannon just because the books are the only thing we have that’s the story, everything else is just extra that is only an afterthought - which includes any interviews or tweets JK puts out, you can’t suddenly change something that was already in the books just because you suddenly feel like it.
Yeah, like the films and books are two different things. It’s quite strange
Reading the books like i have. I always knew Harry and Ginny where meant to be.
Great to see people proudly waving the Harry/Ginny flag!
agree, the movies did their relationship dirty
I remember sitting in the theater watching the dance scene, and when it looked like something might happen, “NO, NO, this movie is going to ruin it!” I was very relieved when they didn’t kiss. Harry fundamentally needed family like Hermione and Ron. People he can ultimately trust and stand by him through thick and thin. I agree with Dean, dating Hermione would have put the trio out of balance. My thing is Harry could not afford to lose his wise sister. Harry needed the solid security that a sister can provide, not the uncertainty that comes in a romantic relationship.
Oh yeah yeah. If they kissed it would have been cool. But that depends on how a person views love.
You could tell Hermione and Harry were strikingly friends I forgot what book he says it in but Harry talks about how without Ron being with Hermione bored him. While on the other hand from about book two you can see there is something there between Ron and Hermione, and it only builds up the more the books and movies progress.
Also in the movies the dance seen I quite enjoy, I don’t see it as a romantic move I see it as Harry seeing how deviated Hermione is over Ron disappearance and just a way to pick her up. I mean I have hugged and danced with my male friends before aswell.
Harry cared about Hermione a lot. Ron resents her a lot for her intelligence and feels that she's a know it all. I think that they are bad for each other. Their bickering is hostile and it should be playful. It's not constructive either. Bickering should be when people are on a similar level. Romione shippers believe that if a guy is mean to a girl then he loves her. It is quite abusive what Ron and Hermione do for each other. Romione shippers feel that only Ron can handle being with Hermione. Whatever that means the thought makes me cringe. I understand reasons why Romione shippers feel that they are perfect but my opinion is that it's not right. Mostly because for me love is understanding loyalty and support. That's why Ron and Hermione don't work for me. That's a subject of interpretation. I read books and I felt that they are bad for each other. I feel sorry for their kids.
@@klaudiagrob You are talking shit. What about all the times Ron stood up for her? All the times Ron stood up for her? No, Ron didn't see her as a know-it-all because when Snape called her the exact same thing, Ron shouted at him. He didn't care if he was expelled. He stood up for her no matter what. He got his face bloodied 3 times when he stood up for her front of snatchers.
Besides whenever Hermione talked with Harry he would just keep mum. This is just bad for a relationship. Ron and Hermione wasn't like that. Whenever Ron and Hermione argued, they would be fine with each other the next day. Even though they argued Hermione didn't cry even though she was sensitive. Except the fact that the movies show her crying everytime they argued.
What if the Dursley raised harry as there own, would he still be in gryffindor, would he be freands with Draco or ron and hermainy
Wolfey XD it’s hermione not hermainy, also Harry would be a lot happier most of the time cause he would of had an happier childhood
Avacato In Space it’s most likely a typo or auto correct
I saw a video recently that pointed out Harry being a Horcrux himself that it's evil magic affected the dursleys negatively, just like when the three carried the locket.
Wolfey XD, I like your name and profile picture
I would think he would be closer to Dudley which would mean he wouldn't be so adverse to being in Slytherin. One of the reasons he begged the hat not to put him there was because Draco was there and Draco's Attitude reminded him of Dudley. If he'd had a more true brotherly relationship with him he wouldn't have so strongly disliked Draco so much.
Why didn't Harry and Hermione end up together? Because JK Rowling didn't write it that way, LOL.
Idk why but I always loved Ron. I can relate with his character. Hermione may not be the prettiest one but she is one of the best witches in the Potter world. So I ship Ron and Hermione 'cause I want Ron to end up with the best.
Same I agree I see Hermione Towards Ron in different ways laughter and funny things he did Harry Went after Cho and Ginny so felt like they were only friends since he loved 2 girls but Hermione sees Ron as a different person hard to understand but he always protected her no matter what happened he wanted to always make sure she was alright the fire the Snake and everything else
Wow this video just reminds me how much I love and respect Ronald Weasley
I know there are a few people in the comments saying this as well, but I think Harry and Luna would have been a much better couple.
In and after book 5, Harry becomes a very dark character. Having to deal with things that are way beyond him. And the person who understands him through this is Luna. She goes to the department of mysteries with him. She goes to Slughorn's party with him. She is the one of the only people to make him laugh outside of the main trio in his darkest times. She is the only one who recognizes him at the dance based sheerly on mannerisms. She says everything Harry needs to say but couldn't at Dobby's funeral. And many other parts in the books.
Dean makes a lot of really great points in this video. And in a lot of ways, his points trace the relationship between Harry and Luna. Dean, if you are reading this, and you agree with me, could you do a video on Harry and Luna's connection?
True if not hermoine then Harry and luna
No it would have been a great disaster if they had ended up together...
They never got together because J K Rowling didn’t want to use that trope. That’s it.
I think their friendship is more impactful story wise than a romantic relationship would have been. It shows that soulmates come in many forms, sometimes just friends. It’s much less cliche
Eh no I’ve been a Ron/Hermione shipper from day one - Harry and Hermione always seemed liked brother and sister to me (as other comments have said). To me, Harry and Hermione have very strong and important chemistry as best friends. In society, unfortunately, there is a lot of the idea that a straight guy and chick can’t just be close friends that’s one reason I love their friendship. Also, I have no freaking clue why JK even hinted at the fact that she may have made a mistake with R/Hr
According to her, Ron's brother as on the Ace spectrum, Hermione was black the whole time (not saying anything about casting or not casting a black Hermione, just that that wasn't in the physical description of her), Dumbledore was gay the whole time, etc.
Sebastian Smith She was pretty vague about all of it, though. I love JK, but she did do some lazy fan service. However, the announcement about Dumbledore was like 13 years ago or so way before it was trendy to hate HP, the franchise and JK. After learning that and doing a re read it makes sense. Really the only types of people who have an issue with gay Dumbledore are the ones that say like “I have no issue with gay people” and then flip out if they are actually represented.
That's mostly because Rupert Grint Emma Watson and JK Rowling felt that Ron and Hermione would never find real happiness. Ron resents her a lot. I think that they are bad for each other. Their bickering is hostile and it should be playful. It's not constructive either. Romione shippers believe that if a guy is mean to a girl then he loves her. It is quite abusive what Ron and Hermione do for each other. Romione shippers feel that only Ron can handle being with Hermione. Whatever that means the thought makes me cringe. I understand reasons why Romione shippers feel that they are perfect but my opinion is that it's not right. Mostly because for me love is understanding loyalty and support.
Same. And I dont think hes right on ginny and harry being the hot thing or whatever. She is so much more than that, she can comfort him when Hermione cant, and they have so much more in common
JK said a lot of things just to try and get attention after the movies were done and she wasn't famous anymore. Screw her and her lack of integrity to the written word.
I always liked the Hermione Ron plot, I always felt there contrasting personalities complimented each other really well. I always felt that Harry and Hermione had a more brother sister relationship given the way they bounce off each other.
Harry and Ginny did seem a little quick, but I like it Ginny was a great character and we always knew she liked Harry. I just think it took Harry some time to realise how he felt especially after Ginny stepped out of the shadow of her many brothers. I think personally that once she joined the DA and started playing quidditch including the events at the ministry Harry began to notice her more as a person and not just Ron's sister.
Yes, I always felt Harry & Hermione were too much alike in personality. Their similar basic personality type, which causes them to personally feel like they must champion the underdog, & struggles to overcome prejudice against their backgrounds (her being muggleborn & him being half-blood because his mom was muggle-born), make them more like siblings.
Umm okay, I get it, opposites attract, right. Even if that is mostly true, Hermione and Ron would have to have something in common for their relationship to work out. The only thing they'd probably have in common with each other is being friends with Harry Potter.
I honestly see Hermione and Ron's relationship as a disaster waiting to happen. First off, Ron's not the type to compromise and neither is Hermione and sadly, happy and successful relationships are mostly all about compromise. Second off, the differences in is the cultures in which they grew up in. Sure, Ron may view his mother with respect and authority, but he also comes from a society that believes women are lower than men or that men should support the house and women should stay at home. Third, Ron is really petty and bound to bouts of Jealousy, not to mention having the emotional range of a teaspoon. Hermione is Smart and she has Ambition and she's not going to let anyone keep her down, especially not an overly jealous boyfriend with insecurity issues. In all honesty, if their relationship was real, it'd be one of those emotionally abusive relationships, where the Guy constantly keeps the Girl down and feel bad about themselves or threatening the girl that if she leaves him, he'll kill himself. Think Eric Cartman and Heidi from South Park, but just a little bit more turned down.
Although, I don't like Harry and Ginny as a pairing, I could say that their relationship would work out.
Honestly though, Harry should've gotten with Fleur.
@@chaosngelx Hey I couldn't disagree more firstly what kind of misogynistic society did you get from reading the books. I never thought that the wizarding world saw women as less than men or 2nd class in some way. The books and the expanded lore are full of examples of famous witches striking out on there own and doing things for themselves. Yeah some of the pure bloods may be a bit sexist sometimes, but on the whole I think women are treated pretty well in the wizarding world.
Secondly what kind of psycho do you think Ron would be. He and Hermione may be different but I doubt very much that Ron would end up as some sort of abusive husband manipulating his poor wife. Yeah I know that Ron could be a bit jelous and oblivious with his emotions at times, but at the end of the day he's a teenager and a child. He will grow up and learn to deal with his issues just like the rest of us.
After all James Potter was an arogant elitist bully when he was a kid, but as we saw in the books he grew up and changed ending up in a happy stable relationship with Lilly, and I'm sure that Ron would end up growing up fine as well.
I also think that Ron and Hermione do have plenty in common, they are both very loyal, inquisitive, fond of adventure and both of them make friends for life. Ron and Hermione are both good people who may not be like two peas in a pod but they compliment each other well, he needs somone to sometimes reassure him and keep his emotions in check and she needs somone to bring her down of her high horse and tell her when she's being a know it all sometimes.
Thirdly Harry and Fleur really, they barely know each other. Before Fleur got together with Bill she and Harry had met once for less than a year when he was 14 and didn't see each other again for several years. Harry didn't even fancy her back then pluss she was two years older than him, so why you think that they would have had any sort of romance I can't think. I know people think Harry and Ginny and Ron Hermione was rushed, but Harry and Fleur would have been light speed never mind rushed.
@@simonorourke4465 Okay, prepare to hurt your eyes for I'm going to rant and put in lots and lots of words, probably a novel.
Okay look, the general assumption is that Magical Britain is stuck in some kind of pseudo Slightly Modern/Victorian Age/Era. If the SJWs had a say, I'm pretty sure they'd agree that strong whamen were oppressed in those ages. Also, even though the wizarding world did not treat their women like second class citizens (Which is never true about most cultures that are assumed to oppress their women.), that didn't mean they had access to the same rights as men. They still have Hereditary Nobility in their society that is passed down to Male Heirs so that says a lot about their non-misogynistic society. Also, these women that struck out on their own, I'm going to assume are the exception not norm. Just look at Molly Weasley, she went on to defeat Bellatrix Lestrange and she's supposedly the most dangerous after Voldemort, and Molly Weasley is just a housemom. If Molly Weasley was this capable, why is she not some position of power or in a field of work that is of higher standing in their society? One could come to a presumption that in their current culture, it was expected of her to stay home, manage the household while her husband goes off to provide for the family or maybe that's what Molly Weasley just really wanted to do, but I'm going to assume the former. Also, even in misogynistic societies, women could still be treated pretty well, because treating someone or something well doesn't mean equality of status. (sorry this is so long)
There are plenty of people who are crazier than Ron and they still wouldn't be considered psychos, even then I never said Ron was a psycho. Also, there are people who never really grow up, even then no one is ever really fully "grown up", we're just better at suppressing our childish and immature tendencies because if we didn't have that inner child to dream for us, could we have every really made flight possible or even space travel? But I digress, I really can see Ron in an emotionally abusive relationship with Hermione. Words are like arrows, once released you can't take them back. I can see an impassioned and insecure Ron lashing out at her and saying something really hurtful or being like a clingy girlfriend that tells you to choose between her or your family/friends. I've seen this, I've experienced this, and I know plenty of girls stuck in emotionally abusive relationships, and girls with personalities similar to the portrayal of Hermione Granger with partners similar to a Ron Weasley. It's not a pretty sight to see. Also, not all adults learn to deal with their issues, they're just better at hiding it now that they are adults, not saying that it's impossible to learn how deal with said issues.
Yes, James Potter was an arrogant bully, but he wasn't elitist, else he wouldn't have befriended Remus or Peter, nor would he have ever batted an eyelash over Lily 'filthy lowborn mudblood' Evans. But I'm not trying to defend James Potter here. Also, if you really think about it really, really hard, James and Lily Potter would have been really, young, so we don't know how 'healthy' that relationship would have gone in the long run. They were probably married fresh out of Hogwarts and Lily gave birth to Harry when she was only 20 years old or around there because she died at the age of 21. Even then, we're not really given a specific date or time period of when James and Lily got together. It's generally assumed it was around 6th-7th year that they actually got together, so their relationship was still young and could still have failed if enough time was given.
Ron and Hermione do not have Plenty in common, though I will admit they may have some semblance of commonality. Even then, their complimentary traits as you have described them could be applied to a number of family or friends ~cough~ Harry ~cough~. But just as Traits can be complimentary they can also be uncomplimentary and sometimes, it just one small thing in a relationship that can cause a huge rift. For example Ron has potential to be above average, but he's slothful and an underachiever and Hermione being the person she is, would push for him to achieve his potential, but Ron being Ron, would probably not want to, and strive for mediocrity. This scenario could cause lots of small arguments that would eventually evolve into large arguments that would cause resentment from both parties and without Harry as an intermediary would spiral into deeper resentment and eventually the relationship would begin to rot and both parties would start being cancer to each other and eventually they would break up. Speaking from experience here as an intermediary that no longer wanted to deal with all the BS and stopped being the intermediary and watched a relationship crumble. Both Parties are now in a different and healthier relationship.
Haha, I actually really ship Harry and Hermione together and see this as a much more likely relationship, despite all the other people telling me that they're, just friends and just like siblings. THE ONLY REASON, that Harry and Hermione did not get together was explicitly admitted by JK Rowling in one of her interviews was that she didn't want to go with the cliche of the Damsel getting with the Hero, even totally she totally went that with that cliche and hooked up the Damsel Ginverva Weasley with the Hero Harry Potter. Disgusting ~spit~
Also, Harry and Fleur could work with some major mental gymnastics, but even then there's not enough actual canon character development or information on Fleur for me to Justify it (XD). Though, if we're not talking about pure facts and go with assumptions we could say that maybe both Fleur and Harry understands what it's like to have unwanted attention and being ostracized by their peers. Fleur having to deal with her Veela Heritage and Harry with his 'Chosen One' status. Just like Harry, maybe Fleur has a small handful of friends that she can trust just like Harry. She could probably see a little bit of herself in Harry and attempt make Harry live up to his own potential, to make other realize that he is more than just The-Boy-Who-Lived,maybe just as she attempted to be more than just the pretty Veela rich girl by trying to win the Tri-Wizard Tournament. I could probably make more assumptions about their possible similarities that could possibly build up their relationship, but I don't want this to be longer than it already is.
Also, if anyone's relationship was rushed in at light speed, it was Harry and Ginny's relationship. It's been a while since I've read the book, but I remembered being blindsided by his sudden interest in Ginny. I mean, Cho got jealous at Hermione being so close with Harry, not Ginny, if I remember correctly. And I mean, if that wasn't a flag for HarryxHermione happening I don't know what was, I mean obviously Cho Chang didn't think they were 'Just Friends' or 'Like Siblings'. So she had to have seen the potential of a relationship somewhere there if she was getting jealous over Hermione. Back to Harry and Ginny, the movies did even worse, I mean, he saw her making out with Dean Thomas and all of a sudden Harry got wood and decided, 'Oh look Ginny's making out with Dean, I'm totally in love with her now I hope she conveniently breaks up with Dean and tries to get at me'. I mean really, what the effing hell brah, forget rushed at light speed, this was rushed at Warp Speed.
Honestly, I love the books, but I think Rowling should've just gone with a Harem Anime ending and left everything open ended, none of the main cast of characters hooking up with anyone and let the fans have their dreams and determinations of what happened afterwards. I can't believe she even approved The Cursed Child as cannon because it totally retconned some of her own things, ugh, I'm glad I have never seen it, god bless.
What about harry and Luna? Harry had more moments with Luna than Ginny. Luna and Dumbledore were the only 2 in Hogwarts that understood harry. Luna sympathised with harry, they both lost parents. Hermione opposed harry half the time and supported the rest- she opposes marauders map, cloak of invisibility, half blood price book, Harry's theory of voldy giving draco a job and branding him with the dark mark. In the starting of the 7th book harry wanted to go to the godrics hollow without even knowing the full history. He was right Dumbledore lived there, harry was born there, goric Gryffindor was born there and much more. Hermione opposed going there in the start then agreed. Dumbledore himself said voldy wanted to make the 7th horcrux the night he tried to kill harry, and he did harry himself. Most importantly Hermione opposed finding the deathly Hallows which ended up killing Voldemort with rebounding avada kedavara because the elder wand wouldn't kill its master. Check the books. Luna always supported harry .
I think Harry and Hermione were more siblings from the start. I think she belonged with Ron because they were so unlike each other making their relationship so interesting❤💛💙💚
I dont understand why people ship them, harry himself said he sees her as a sister. And jo never said she regrets putting hermione with ron. A writer twisted her words into that horrible sentence, so if your a harmione shipper, the ship has not even sailed.
It hasn't been sailed thanos snaped it away 😎
Explanation is easy
What if Harry ended up with Luna Lovegood?
I always wanted Harry to end up with Luna instead of Ginny or Hermione.
MrGeekFreek Luna would’ve been great.
Ahh ehh sure
You too are a man of culture.
MrGeekFreek Harry/Luna forever THANK YOU
Harry and Luna would have been an interesting pairing, but I don't think Luna ever saw Harry in that light. It seemed like she saw him just as a friend.
Awesome video as usual! Here is my take on it. The movie and books have totally different dynamics, so I'm going with the book here.
Rowling actually does an amazing job evolving the relationship between Harry and Ginny. I don't want to write a whole essay here but really think about their interactions from the first book on. I think Ginny would understand Harry in ways Hermione never could. As she said herself, who else knows what it's like to have Voldemort in their head? Not to mention the shared love of quidditch. She just seems to know when Harry needs to be called out, and when he needs to be supported.
Hermione and Harry wouldn't work, in my opinion. They are good friends but as a couple, I think they would drive each other crazy. Hermione would keep pushing, and Harry would shut down. I think she and Ron could work well because the dynamic between them would be a lot like the dynamic between Mr. and Mrs. Weasly.
I completely agree! Yeah, at first Ginny saw Harry as a knight in shining armor, but, I mean, she was 11! Once she got to know him she loved him for him. And you can even see she knows him in book 2 when she confronts Ron. She knew he didn't want the attention. I think Harry and Ginny are a great pairing ❤
Ginny and Harry are super forced.
@@theimplications635 Yeah, yeah, whatever
This!!! ☝🏻☝🏻☝🏻 you said it perfectly!
@@britneelloyd2038 I KNOW!!!! DIS IS WHAT I HAVE BEEN SAYING MY WHOLE LIFFFEEEEEE!!!! FFFIIINNNAAALLLYYYYYYYYY
The way I see it, Ron is Harry's first and best friend. Harry knows from the beginning that Ron likes Hermione, even if Ron doesn't.
If it means anything, Austin McConnell's revision of Cursed Child has their 38-year old selves have an affair lol
I personally love the canon pairings, and I love that the Harry/Hermione relationship can be purely platonic :')
Dean, always well spoken and well thought out as always. Dean I love you as a story teller
Ron's goofy personality pares perfectly with harmione's wittyness, kindness , strength, and smartness, is amazing all the way😂
The reason why because ron and hermione have been like an old married couple since the first book
That's because Ron and Hermione shippers believe that if a guy is mean to a girl when he loves her.
@@klaudiagrob Ron grew up. He changed for the better for her.
Hermione too was equally mean.
She used Cormac to spite Ron and put up one or two snide remarks on him too.
@@klaudiagrob 😂 true
Do why Newt Scammander kept getting asked to join the cause against Grinderwald even though he was just a normal magizooaligist?
Oh dang. Ur right
He is powerful tho
But they say it in the movie, I think. It's because Dumbledore is afraid of those who seek power and he knows Newt doesn't. He writes books about creatures that no wizard cares, after all xD
@@6maria94 Teu, and newts peng, so I'm not over here complaining
@@coribakescakes4279 I didn't understand you, sorry
I thought it was refreshing.. i’m tired of the same scenario of the hero who won everything at the end .. even the girl
he won ginny shes the girl
@@SabaKhan-zp5of 🙂
It is clear from their first encouter on the Hogwarts Express that Ron/Hermione would be the "opposites attrack" thing. Ginny was created for the sole proprose of Harry marrying into the Weasley family. Those are things that were planned from the beginning am I could see that as a 8 year old. Harry and Hermione make absolute no sense in the books, the only time it is ever bought up is when Ron is destroying the Horcrux, that's an insecurity of him, of Hermione going for the hero and fame and whatever, but that's not who Hermione is and also not who Harry wants, he makes sure to say that he loves her as a sister. Harry/Hermione could cheapen her character a lot, and also the friendship they built.
Now, the scene in Deathly Hallows 1 with Harry and Hermione dancing: imagine if the scene was in the book. Besides all the war and Horcruxes and etc, Harry knows that Hermione is suffering a lot because of Ron. He also missed Ron, but is clearly different. He is not the best in conforting people with words, he is better at action, so a song comes up and he asks her to dance, to confort her. They are teenagers and they are scared and they have a light moment in all that darkness. A true and sweet friendship moment. This is one added scene in the movie that I really loved, but because I could relate it to their friendship in the books. If I had only watched the movies I for sure would think they were going to kiss. But the movies generally destroyed Ron's character and even gave his lines to Hermione, because hey she's pretty!
I kinda wish they all could’ve grown up to be friends. Crushes here and there but I didn’t think it had to end romantically. I don’t think any of the pairing options were perfect couples
I like the pairing that was written in the books. I usually like to stick with canon couples.
Ron + Hermione belong together and Harry + Ginny belong together.
Ron constantly belittled and badgered Hermione that went way beyond a childish crush and Ginny never really got over her Fangirl stage before she and Harry got together.
Just saying...
some one I said never “really” because she still wanted to be with him. Being saved by Harry when she was eleven didn’t change that. I’d say her sixth year without Harry at school helped a lot more than the DA in Harry’s fifth, her fourth, year alone. I’m not saying she always remained a fangirl, just that she held onto a bit of fangirlness by the end of her fifth year if only because it was cemented by a literal dream come true when Harry saved her much like a knight would save a princess.
not really most of the fandom doesnt agree.
There’s a difference between what JK wrote and what she wanted to write. Yes, she wanted Harry and Ginny, as well as Ron and Hermione. What she ended up writing favored Harry and Hermione more the canon couples, but she wanted her pairings to be together, like she wrote years before the first book was published.
True story: JK wrote out her ending to the final book years before the series got published and made into movies.
The fact that her writing strayed from it is what led to Harry and Hermione having many moments that implied they could get together.
I usually like to stick with canon couples...
I could not relate less to something ever😂😂
I have read the books in the books I feel like Ron and Hermione are perfect but in the movies I feel like Harry and Hermione should have got together it was obvious chemistry between the two
Yes, but that's the films fault for portraying it wrong for 8 films. They can't just change the ending because they discover last minute that they didn't think their scripts through properly
If Harry was alive in real life, he would be so lucky to have Ginny, ginger goddess, ruby eyes, sunset red hair, really classical woman.
They would be lucky to have each other! And yeah Ginny is beautiful, but that is far from the only reason why he actually fell for her.
The books were written with the idea of Romione. That's why there was so much more chemistry. I still see Harmione chemistry though
You have to be blind to not see the chemistry between Ron and Hermione and to think her and Harry could have ever ended up together. People only ship them because Harry is the mc and Hermione the main female character. And also because of the movies.
Sydney Chuang read Goblet of Fire...after he part where Ron gets upset and leaves. Hermione bores Harry without Ron around...now imagine them spending all their time together.
I see them as brother and sister
Ron resents her a lot for her intelligence and feels that she's a know it all. I think that they are bad for each other. Their bickering is hostile and it should be playful. It's not constructive either. Romione shippers believe that if a guy is mean to a girl then he loves her. It is quite abusive what Ron and Hermione do for each other. Romione shippers feel that only Ron can handle being with Hermione. Whatever that means the thought makes me cringe. I understand reasons why Romione shippers feel that they are perfect but my opinion is that it's not right. Mostly because for me love is understanding loyalty and support. That's why Ron and Hermione don't work for me.
@@maraudentium2607 Harry cared about Hermione so much. Harry needs her but Canon shippers believe that Harry doesn't care about her. It's just a way to come up with reasons to justify Harry/Ginny and Ron/Hermione. Not to mention that same Goblet of Fire book also states that Harry feels that Hermione understands more than Ron.
@@klaudiagrob When did he say she was a know it all ? He actually defended her when Snape said that to her in PoA.
It seems like Ron might be the James to Hermione's Lily; that is, Harry and Hermione are too similar, like Snape's and Lily's Patronuses being the exact same doe and James' being a stag.
Ron is a good match to both Harry and Hermione, but the latter is a girl, so romance as opposed to just friendship.
James and Lily weren't really opposites since the only true problem James had was his arrogance and his constant pranking and James became a better man in the end. James was very intelligent (not like Lily but still) and loyal and compassionate. Now Ron and Hermione are real opposites and can you really say that Hermione can sit down and have a real conversation with Ron about something that she has interest in? The answer is no they cannot.
Damian Allen
Hermione doesn’t seem like the conversation type. At in the realm of romance. Though I reckon she actually can have a passionate conversation with Ron and he’s earnestly try to go with it for a while anyway. Hermione is more a rambler.
@@damianallen8377 A stag isn't the opposite of a deer; it's a counterpart. Like a door needs a wall and hinges or it's just a large plank of wood.
@@damianallen8377 Bish, excuse me? Oh, yes they can!! ROMIONE 4 LIFE
Snapes ptronus is the same as lilys because he lover her so much, as we see him prove in deathly hallows (the books) not the dumb movies
The movies completely messed up the Harry and Ginny story line and the chemistry between the actors just wasn’t there but there’s no way they could have known that when they cast them when they were 10. Daniel grew up to be a bit awkward and a little nerdy and short for Harry and Bonnie was just kind of emotionless throughout the whole movies and didn’t fit Ginny’s description too well in later movies. The actors just didn’t fit well. Emma and Daniel looked better together they had great chemistry as actors, but the books just made a lot more sense with the pairings.
Actually, I have many problems with Dan's appearance whe n it comes to his playing Harry, but his height and nerdiness are not among them. Harry's always described to be small in the books, and although not ugly definitely not a Cedric Diggory-like stunner
They didn't give ginny much to work with, with the lines she got, the shoe tying, cookie feeding, uncomfortable silences.. I don't think it was the actresses foult
What if harry was as spoiled as Dudley
Oh idk maybe cause......
He wasn’t the chosen one⁉️🤔
Didn't you get it.....It wasn't Harry who was the chosen one ......it's nevel Longbottom
Maybe he's actually not. When Harry was trying to proudly say "but I am the chosen one" in film 6, Hermione wouldn't have it. Or I don't know, maybe Hermione just didn't like him being sassy.
Nayops 18 hmmmmmmmmmm
Harry and Hermione were great friends and that's why they ended up with different people
There is also the simple fact the two of them just aren't suited to each other. Hermione is a bit of a nag, and needs someone who will give as well as take, but will also listen. That is not Harry. It is Ron. In fact I knew they were destined for each other once I saw Ron's parents with their constant back and forth.
The first time I ever read prisoner of azkaban I thought they would end up together, then goblet came out and I realized it had to be Ron and Hermione
IK samee
No shade, but I wouldn’t call Ginny the beauty compared to Hermione in the movies. But I understand that Ginny was prettier in the books. I think the issue I have with Harry and Ginny was that it was random as all hell where Harry suddenly has this crazy infatuation with her in Half-Blood Prince with no build or tension.
Because she used a love potion on him.
Ginny was always depicted in the books as good-looking, only Harry did not really notice it, as she had always been Ron's little sister for him. But then we have descriptions of her in book 6, after the meeting at Slughorn's compartment when Zabini tells Draco and the others why Slughorn called him, Draco asks but why did Slughorn invite the "Weasley girl", what is so special about her. Pansy says that "a lot of boys like her, and even you (Zabini) think that she is good-looking and we know how hard you are to please". So Rowling tells us that Ginny is really very pretty. After Harry's crush for Cho had ended, he finally noticed both how pretty and also what a nice character Ginny was. I was suspicious while reading Book 6, when on the Hogwarts express Harry felt "a strange twinge of annoyance as she walked away" to meet Dean. Harry simply did not realise how much he came to like Ginny during the summer break. Then during the first lesson Amortentia smelled to him like Ginny. Then it was clear to me that Harry liked Ginny very much without him knowing it. So Harry liked Ginny's look, liked also Ginny's smell very much. "A perfect chemistry", as nowadays people often say.
mykel1990 agreed
The movies are irrelevant for this discussion, because they way the story was planned by Rowling was based on how she describes the characters in the book, not on their film actresses.
You might want to reread Book 5 - it actually lays the foundation for Harry/Ginny very beautifully in a subtle way. Even if Harry had suddenly had a crazy infatuation with her, though - remember that he's 16. I definitely became very quickly infatuated with attractive people at that age, it makes sense for a teenager
I love Hermione and Ron
Ha ha, Harry embraced his fame. Not even once.
Yeah, I don't know what part of the books he's talking about with that.
Yea. That never happened he was making a joke
If Harry ended up with Hermione who would Ron have ended up with?
Luna
Plus Ginny reminds Harry of his mother lily.
A little
Sweet home Alabama
I thought Lily was more like Hermione? A clever witch? Ginny is an athlete, the female variation of the jock (which is more James).
So...
Sydney Carton actually Ginny is a little bit of lily because of her red hair, but she has the personality of James. So she reminds Harry of his parents. Red hair reminds him of his mother, and personality reminds him of his father.
William O'Connell
Harry and Ginny definitely makes the most sense, but I don’t know. It’s just not my ship.
Personally, I prefer Cho on a fairly shallow basis. Kinda sucks how that relationship went ://
JK Rowling could just announce it on Twitter, if she really wanted to lol.
Yep you know what she's like these days
Severus Snape is a single mother.
Hmmm no what does he reproduce asexually?
Gorilla Man and it would be more reason to disregard her.
I would also add that Ron and Hermione's relationship very much mirrored Mr. and Mrs. Weasley's relationship, which we all know was one of the healthiest, stablest, and most loving relationships in the series.
I think Harry starts to fall for Ginny in Order of the Phoenix over Christmas, and it isn’t until after he recovers from the loss of Sirius in HBP that he realises.
In OotP when they here Mad Eye saying that You know who may be possessing him, Harry withdraws into himself. When Hermione visits, she makes excuses for him, saying that maybe they have been avoiding each other, but Ginny flat calls him out on his behaviour, “Well that’s a bit stupid of you. Seeing as you don’t know anyone but me who’s been possessed by You Know who, and I can tell you how it feels.”
We also learn in OotP that Ginny is an excellent Quidditch player. And in the DA and at the Ministry, she not only holds her own, but performs better than most. This shows that she is very smart in her own right, but also very able in a tight situation (like Harry is). The truth is Ginny and Harry have a lot in common, but unlike Hermione and Ron, Ginny will call him out when he is wrong. I think this makes her a good fit for Harry, as he is a bit hot headed and she has the ability to talk him down when he is angry.
I feel like Harry and Ginny feel like a forced couple in the movies but if you read the books it makes so much sense that they ended up together. In the Order of the Phoenix book there is a lot of chemistry building up which isn't in the movie and in the Half Blood Prince book they actually hang out a lot on the grounds which also isn't in the movie. I think that Ginny and Harry are a perfect couple because I feel like Hermione wouldn't be enough fun for Harry so I think it just wouldn't have worked. Also Ginny gets how Harry felt when Voldemort was in his head because Voldemort posessed her. That's just my opinion though.
Poor Ron, even his own creator regrets pairing him with Hermione.
Ikr-
she didn’t say that she regrets romione.
@@tuopsy she did
That’s just a strong rumour
they shouldn’t have gotten together because they have a sibling relationship, Romione is otp change my mind
I don’t care what other wizards, witches, squibs and muggles think, I’ll ship HARMIONE forever ❤️🌸✨.
Read the books bc harry and ginny are better they are better
well ur a pottypoohead the name for wierd Harmione shippers
Because they weren't romantically attracted and sometimes the central protagonist doesn't get the person we'd rather they be shipped with. Did it get it right?
Brandon Ford nope 👎🏻
@@HarryPotterFolklore well i've given it an honest go mate, there's been ladies I've felt compatible with that never worked out. Art imitating life
@@HarryPotterFolklore Ron and Hermione is how it should be, just because you don't like it. Try to be more neutral in future, rather than imposing your opinion - OK?
@@HarryPotterFolklore I would like to recommend that you read the unwanteds series by Lisa McMann I think that you might enjoy reading the series.
I'm happy that Ron and Hermione got together
Anman999 I am not
@@ohsnapitsayham9283 lol thank god there together 😆
lllSaint Johnathanlll no
I disagree with one thing you said. Harry would have ended up with Hermione "the girl who went with him" on the journey. But what about Ron? he only got Hermione because Harry did not want her?
From the start, Ron and Hermione had the type of relationship you see in real life. Always arguing and having issues cause too afraid to say how they feel. Hermione spent way more time with Ron in the books then she did with Harry. she stayed at the burrow a lot more then Harry, she was with the order of the Pheonix before Harry even knew about it. Hermione had every say in who she wanted and I am sorry but I did not see her being into Harry. After all, Hermione is the character that represents JK Rowling and Ron is the kid that represents JK's crush. She did a good job of showing it from the start.
I think Hermione is family to Harry, someone who's a constant comfort & he deeply care for. That can sometimes be even more important than romance.
Hermione can be overly protective towards Harry, while Harry sometime drop his angry bombs on his friends and Hermione wouldn't dare to disagree. Hermione & Ron in many scenes (from the book at least) feel like parents to Harry, they always disagree, but put Harry best interest at hearts in their own way. Hermione-Ron relationship works because it's part of the trio's friendship dynamic.
Romione makes sense. Putting Harry and Hermione together would just feel incestuous.
TRIGGERED!!!
Why on earth... ?
@Golden Eagle OH really? We must've read different books. Please explain to me why a relationship between Ron and Hermione would be healthier. Enlighten me with your superior knowledge.
Harry Potter Folklore I love your videos so much thankyou for making videos for the Harry Potter fans all around the world to watch 🙂
Another reason could also have been that Harry marrying Ginny made the trio related 😢🥺🥰
I do not like the idea of Harry and Hermione together because it would ruin their friendship. I like what you did in this video and totally agree with you.
ik and ron would be left out some pottypoos dont understand that
Agreed that the movies had its influences, like fanfiction about Draco with Hermione which def came from the attractiveness of the actors and the excitement of someone ”bad” changing from love etc. Purely from the books the pairing seem much less likely.
I do love Harmione fanfiction as Well but book-wise Harry & Hermione was never truly endgame.
MissVasques you would be surprised the type of people that are romanticized or are played the victim, people like Ted Bundy or Jeffery Dahmer.
Hi dean great video I'd love to see what if Grindelwald beat dunbledore in there duel
Harry & Hermione are more like brother & sister to each other
Ron too 😏
Harry and Hermione’s rejarionship seems to me more professional than romantic. That’s why I think they worked well together and were both single minded in their purpose. They were the perfect team with Ron being the “sanity check.”