This is quite useful. I always understood the narrowing of the inner mouth when speaking Russian, but never thought about it that way, and now that I do, that makes so much sense. I had no idea that Russians rolled their R's in certain cases, at least with certain composers names. Also, I had always pronounced Rachmaninoff as 'mon' in the middle, but now I know that it's closer to 'mine'. Thank you so much for this video. By the way, you have a really good English accent.
I wanted to thank you for the lesson. You are quite understanding of American English. It’s quite interesting about the horizontal and vertical speech. Again, thank you.
Thankssss so much my daughter will be talkin in her international cultural fair about this two composers and you nailed it, those two are the ones we need to pronounce coirrectly, we live in mexico and she will be presenting this in english, thanks a lot. i just wanted to make sure about the pronounciation correctly in russian.
Thank you so much for giving us a guideline on how to pronounce Russian names. In fact, my language “Bahasa” is not too far to pronounce Russian’s “R” Terima kasih !
@@ieBrazil No, this is correct. I mean, we have some rules for transcribing Russian names into English, and Rachmaninov actually is written correctly. It's just that in English you don't make last voiced consonants voiceless, they are still voiced, while in Russian we tend to unvoice them, so v turns into ff. That's why Russian accent is so easy to tell from any other accent :)
It is regrettable that you choose to demonstrate your ignorance publicly. It is best to keep such self-betraying observations to yourself - a piece of friendly advice.
That's pretty cool-This Video!!!! My Favorite composer is Rachmaninoff. When I was a Teenager I had a store made me my own Rachmaninoff T-Shirt! Now I know how to pronounce it correctly.
American poet Ogden Nash mentioned composter Saint-Saens in a rhyme: "Camille Saint-Saens would be in great pains when people called him Camille Saint-Sains."
My husband speaks Russian because of an LDS mission to Ukraine in 1992. He couldn't roll his "R's" when he left, but could when he returned. My daughter also can roll her r's. Learning Spanish has been hard for her.
Is it RachmaninoV och RachmaninoF? Because it sounds like she says it with an F in the end? The russian letter B is pronounced like "v"? Just started to learn russian so i dont know if im thinking incorecctly. Thanks for answer
Modern Russian language has the feature called final devoicing. It writes RachmaninoV, but v turns to f in pronunciation. Voiced sounds change to their voiceless counterparts: g - k, b - p, v - f. I'd say that r in Rachmaninov is a minor issue, rolled or not - who would care that much (unless you pretend to have no accent, at all)? But that ch in the middle is a much bigger problem. I think that most English speaking people would pronounce it as k. But it is not k, at all - it's [x], velar fricative h. English h is glottal fricative, Russian h (usually marked as kh in English) is velar fricative - in reality, it means that the English h is produced in the deeper parts of the throat, involving more breath. The Russian h is produced closer to the entrance, so to say. But that kh-sound is not k, at all! Khrushchev is not Krushchev - he's Hrushchev (to be correct he's Hrushchov, to be absolutely correct he's Xrushsh'ov, but that's another question). In most cases, English h and Russian x sound pretty identical, anyway.
@@nicklass7075 Actually, it's not such a problem if you pronounce it with v at the end. There are really significant issues: soft vs hard consonants, ы vs и. The ov vs of issue does not really bother any native speaker that much.
Is "Rachmaninoff " not a little bit old-fashioned ? He himself ( living in the U.S.A. ) spelled it with " ff " , because of the prononciation , but is " Rachmaninov " for instance not more normal nowadays ?
After all, Tchaikovsky or Klitschko the boxing brothers are also too much in terms of spelling. But that is the question of tradition. There's a single Russian letter for ch like in champion. Hence, Tchaikovsky is written with that one letter at the beginning, that letter, then a and so on. Чайковский. Similarly, Klitschko brothers prepared for their matches in Germany, so their original spelling with that single letter Кличко changed to the German one. There are two standard Russian endings of the last names: ov/ova and in/ina (male/female). Many foreigners used to think that -ski or -sky is also the Russian one - no, these are in fact Polish endings. Simply, some Poles moved to Russia at some point... Then, in Russian language there's a final devoicing: v at the end of the word turns to f. Rachmaninov sounds like Rachmaninof. What's the use of the double f at the end is unknown to me. The same with Smirnoff vodka. The man's last name was Smirnov. Again, it's a question of pure tradition. For if the English spelling represents the pronunciation, there must be GorbachOv and KhrushchOv, which is not usually the case...
I have a different question. How do you pronounce the ise in Rachmaninoff's "Vocalise" ? For years I have been saying vocal- ease, because I figured it was french or Latin -- something like that, but it just occurred to me the other day that it could be vocal-eyes, the way we say to vocalize in English. Which is it?
It's weird how the lady in the video pretends that in Rachmaninov the most complex thing is rolled r. I'd say that like 95% of English speaking persons pronounce ch in Rachmaninov as k, while it's of course h, velar fricative h, like Spanish j or Scottish ch.
I don't get why Americans find so hard to pronounce the RRRR sound, just think that you were playing with toy cars and you wanted to make the sound of a race engine, or that you where trying to make a "vrrrrroom!!!" sound for a rocket or something.
I'm not afraid to admit that I'm here to sound cultured at cocktail parties.
i've been failing to pronounce that R for 10 years. 43 seconds into your video, I made it.
This is quite useful. I always understood the narrowing of the inner mouth when speaking Russian, but never thought about it that way, and now that I do, that makes so much sense. I had no idea that Russians rolled their R's in certain cases, at least with certain composers names. Also, I had always pronounced Rachmaninoff as 'mon' in the middle, but now I know that it's closer to 'mine'. Thank you so much for this video. By the way, you have a really good English accent.
I wanted to thank you for the lesson. You are quite understanding of American English. It’s quite interesting about the horizontal and vertical speech. Again, thank you.
Thankssss so much my daughter will be talkin in her international cultural fair about this two composers and you nailed it, those two are the ones we need to pronounce coirrectly, we live in mexico and she will be presenting this in english, thanks a lot.
i just wanted to make sure about the pronounciation correctly in russian.
Thank you for the information. I should have learned it years ago.
Thank you so much for giving us a guideline on how to pronounce Russian names. In fact, my language “Bahasa” is not too far to pronounce Russian’s “R”
Terima kasih !
I'm a native Russian speaker, and I must admit that your pronunciation of these names is just superb, that's exactly how I would say it.
Еще бы, потому что она вообщем то тоже )
Dmitry: do you say Rachmaninov with V sound or Rachmaninoff, as in OFF? Thanks in advance, brother.
@@ieBrazil hey man! We say it with off, but the f is quite short.
@@draugwath92113 thanks a lot. Do you consider spelling Rachmaninov wrong?
@@ieBrazil No, this is correct. I mean, we have some rules for transcribing Russian names into English, and Rachmaninov actually is written correctly. It's just that in English you don't make last voiced consonants voiceless, they are still voiced, while in Russian we tend to unvoice them, so v turns into ff. That's why Russian accent is so easy to tell from any other accent :)
Thank you!
I love Russian composers
! Now I can pronounce the names of some properly, thanks to you!
Very Helpful. Thank you.
excellent video thanks
Thank you! Love this!
Muito bom!!! Por favor, faça mais vídeos explicando a pronúncia correta dos compositores. Parabéns e obrigado.
Thank you, Natalia !
The title made me laugh, I accidentally got here but I find it funny how this is a topic worth discussing.
It is regrettable that you choose to demonstrate your ignorance publicly. It is best to keep such self-betraying observations to yourself - a piece of friendly advice.
Thanks you! Love it. Do more names.
That's pretty cool-This Video!!!! My Favorite composer is Rachmaninoff. When I was a Teenager I had a store made me my own Rachmaninoff T-Shirt! Now I know how to pronounce it correctly.
Pretty interesting .
American poet Ogden Nash mentioned composter Saint-Saens in a rhyme: "Camille Saint-Saens would be in great pains when people called him Camille Saint-Sains."
Thanks. I've been listening to classical musics and it'll be a shame not to know how say these composers name properly.
My husband speaks Russian because of an LDS mission to Ukraine in 1992. He couldn't roll his "R's" when he left, but could when he returned. My daughter also can roll her r's. Learning Spanish has been hard for her.
Superb!
Y o u A r e A w e s o m e
Thank you for sharing!!!
How do you pronounce 'Pobedonostsev'? He was a jurist and adviser to the last three Tsars. A pretty formidable fellow from what I read.
Please make a part 2 of it and cover more old name. Thanks
In American English most of us say Tchaikovsky like Chai Cough Ski, which it not even close! 🍵⛷
I am curious about Kalinnikov. I love the works of Vasily Kalinnikov, but he's unfortunately not very well known.
Is it RachmaninoV och RachmaninoF? Because it sounds like she says it with an F in the end? The russian letter B is pronounced like "v"? Just started to learn russian so i dont know if im thinking incorecctly. Thanks for answer
Modern Russian language has the feature called final devoicing. It writes RachmaninoV, but v turns to f in pronunciation. Voiced sounds change to their voiceless counterparts: g - k, b - p, v - f.
I'd say that r in Rachmaninov is a minor issue, rolled or not - who would care that much (unless you pretend to have no accent, at all)? But that ch in the middle is a much bigger problem. I think that most English speaking people would pronounce it as k. But it is not k, at all - it's [x], velar fricative h. English h is glottal fricative, Russian h (usually marked as kh in English) is velar fricative - in reality, it means that the English h is produced in the deeper parts of the throat, involving more breath. The Russian h is produced closer to the entrance, so to say. But that kh-sound is not k, at all! Khrushchev is not Krushchev - he's Hrushchev (to be correct he's Hrushchov, to be absolutely correct he's Xrushsh'ov, but that's another question).
In most cases, English h and Russian x sound pretty identical, anyway.
@@DeadnWoon Thanks for the explanation!
@@nicklass7075 Actually, it's not such a problem if you pronounce it with v at the end.
There are really significant issues: soft vs hard consonants, ы vs и. The ov vs of issue does not really bother any native speaker that much.
I love you!
really quick and a little confusing...thanks
Thank you! How do you say (or respell to say in English) Sulkhan Fyodorovich Tsintsadze?
Is "Rachmaninoff " not a little bit old-fashioned ?
He himself ( living in the U.S.A. ) spelled it with " ff " , because of the prononciation ,
but is " Rachmaninov " for instance not more normal nowadays ?
After all, Tchaikovsky or Klitschko the boxing brothers are also too much in terms of spelling. But that is the question of tradition. There's a single Russian letter for ch like in champion. Hence, Tchaikovsky is written with that one letter at the beginning, that letter, then a and so on. Чайковский. Similarly, Klitschko brothers prepared for their matches in Germany, so their original spelling with that single letter Кличко changed to the German one.
There are two standard Russian endings of the last names: ov/ova and in/ina (male/female). Many foreigners used to think that -ski or -sky is also the Russian one - no, these are in fact Polish endings. Simply, some Poles moved to Russia at some point... Then, in Russian language there's a final devoicing: v at the end of the word turns to f. Rachmaninov sounds like Rachmaninof. What's the use of the double f at the end is unknown to me.
The same with Smirnoff vodka. The man's last name was Smirnov.
Again, it's a question of pure tradition. For if the English spelling represents the pronunciation, there must be GorbachOv and KhrushchOv, which is not usually the case...
Do you say Rachmaninov with V sound or Rachmaninoff? I couldn't see the difference.
Thanks 4 ..Tchaikovsky....Mussorgsky :)
Неплохо, но акцент всё равно слышно сильно. :D
Удачи в изучении произношения дальше.
Что вы имеете в виду? Она же русская
A tip that I heard for saying these Russian names is that you should pretend to hold a teaspoon of vodka on your tongue to get the right sound.
A tip for Russians learning english is that you should pretend to eat a hamburger / drink tea / kill people to get the right sound
You're beautiful ❤️
Thank you
I have a different question. How do you pronounce the ise in Rachmaninoff's "Vocalise" ? For years I have been saying vocal- ease, because I figured it was french or Latin -- something like that, but it just occurred to me the other day that it could be vocal-eyes, the way we say to vocalize in English. Which is it?
Vocal-ease is a correct one.
Thanks so much.
It depends on the tradition, for sure. The original Russian pronunciation is of course -ease, -iz if you like. Vokaliz.
It's weird how the lady in the video pretends that in Rachmaninov the most complex thing is rolled r. I'd say that like 95% of English speaking persons pronounce ch in Rachmaninov as k, while it's of course h, velar fricative h, like Spanish j or Scottish ch.
Now tell us what's your nationality? American Russian or Russian American?
realy close to Russian( Im from Russia))) Very nice)
boy did I ever butcher that name before watching this ;-)
I don't get why Americans find so hard to pronounce the RRRR sound, just think that you were playing with toy cars and you wanted to make the sound of a race engine, or that you where trying to make a "vrrrrroom!!!" sound for a rocket or something.
most epic
So? How pronunce it?
How to pronounce Schnittke?
Just say Шнитке.
I have to remember, its not Chy-kovsky, its Chay-Kovsky
tl;dr: Rrrrrrrrrrruckmaninoov
laugh-money-nof
"when you speak American" lmao
you have pretty eyes
I can’t stand “Rack-maninov”. Don’t like the composer much either.
tanto sesso, tanto