Atari ST on modern display (HDMI) - The Ultimate Guide

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  • Dreaming of an HDMI port on your Atari ST?
    I've tested many "budget" converters, this video is the complete review.
    If you can afford, the OSSC is always the best choice, otherwise, check out the other options!
    Note: The last adapter shown is NOT a line doubler or a scaler. It will only work if your TV is able to handle 15KHz on the HDMI. For some reason, most of my TVs have a wider frequency range on the HDMI port than on the VGA, while being processed by the same chip. If you can find your TV's full specs, look at the HDMI supported resolutions to see if 15KHz is supported!
    EDIT: Links below are showing product unavailable, it seems they updated their product lineup. I would assume their new products works a similar way, despite having a new form factor.
    OSSC: videogameperfe...
    VGA to HDMI Converter : www.amazon.ca/...
    SCART to HDMI Upscaler : www.amazon.com...
    SCART to HDMI Converter: www.ebay.ca/it...

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  • @mychelmycha
    @mychelmycha 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I was using Atari with an antenna cable and a 14" Goldstar TV for all my childhood (in addition to the crisp retina display-like SM124 hi-res mono). On occasion we plugged it into a 28" Blaupunkt TV also with RF cable, because THE SCART RGB DID NOT WORK for some reason.
    It was only in the year 2000 when we got ourselves a new widescreen 100Hz CRT TV that I randomly took out the dirty Atari and tried to plug it into a SCART plug. Surprisingly, it finally worked - the new TV accepted RGB signals like a boss. Finally I could replay all my favorite games in crisp quality, and in widescreen too - 320x200 of Atari really fits a 16:9 screen.
    Unfortunately with a flat panel LCD many years later the RGB cable did not work that well - I guess 15kHz horizontal scan is too slow for those new screens and it kept blanking out every few seconds. Or else. I don't know. I think the scaler is now a must - or just use an emulator.

  • @thomaseddie9450
    @thomaseddie9450 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    A very big "thank you" for the time and effort that you put into this video.

  • @brujopiruloquehasidoeso2724
    @brujopiruloquehasidoeso2724 5 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Great video!
    Atari forever.

  • @richretrotech9426
    @richretrotech9426 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Great video to get me up to speed on the st. I missed out on this as a kid so I’m learning now!

  • @Ohlukei
    @Ohlukei 5 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Great video quality. I wish I had these back in the 1980's/1990's on my Atari ST. :-)

  • @Alex-gi7sm
    @Alex-gi7sm 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Man this is really good work. Very well done! Thanks!

  • @Gunstick
    @Gunstick 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Bonus: you can also use your Mono->VGA cable with the VGA adaptor. Which means that with a cheap switch box between RGB and Mono, the same cabling can be used for Mono or Color modes. There are specific devices for this with either a physical slider button or some logic which can auto switch.

    • @AnalogThinker
      @AnalogThinker  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Correct, I believe it's called ST2VGA, didn't have access to those back when I made this video. They're great and also have individual channel gain for the best modules!

  • @IqbalMohdSarim
    @IqbalMohdSarim 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great video! Have been looking for something like this for such a long time. Thank you!

  • @elias13940
    @elias13940 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I bought a old HDD videorecorder for 5€ with scart in and HDMI out ports and it works perfectly

    • @geekyprojects1353
      @geekyprojects1353 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Could you name the brand & model you bought? I'm looking for similar solution.

  • @DbugII
    @DbugII 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Regarding the HDMI converter you called "junk" that could possibly be used on other machines, well, I made a video a few months ago where I tested that one on the Oric, and it did not work at all, so it's junk for me as well :)
    Now, generally speaking, for people who have more than Atari ST, it could be a good idea to take a look at the OSSC, it is quite more expensive than other devices, but this thing is supported, it does not have annoying OSD that appear on your videos, and it works with pretty much all the retro hardware (sometimes requires addons cards).

  • @goognamgoognw6637
    @goognamgoognw6637 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Excellent work, worthy of the Atari St magazine and as an Analog electronics proponent, i approve your alias. Everything started to go wrong when software started taking precedence over Analog design in the late 1990's. Then came the automatic forced software updates and the instability and loss of control by the user, and now our computers are remote controlled with cookies and unending layers of software.

    • @AnalogThinker
      @AnalogThinker  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Haha thanks, I originally wanted to call the channel "An Analog Thinker in a Digital World", but I guess it was too long... I love retro computers of course but I love even more all the Analog hardware, VAccum tubes, or even Analog computers (Yes it's a thing!)

    • @goognamgoognw6637
      @goognamgoognw6637 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@AnalogThinker We are similarly minded technologically. I think the indubitable evidence that software control over analog had gone too far is when computer workstations power button became software controlled (in smartphones too) meaning that you could press it and the OS software would decide to obey you or not in all its possible failures and reject your demand or delay and run some code. That is unnaceptable. To me a machine control should be self contained and the user should have total control, not some remote cloud operation. A machine should operate neatly and cleanly the software should be subservient to the user. This hijacking includes clouds, and rented software (an aberation) with time subscription.

    • @AnalogThinker
      @AnalogThinker  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@goognamgoognw6637 Don't even get me started on "Subscription base" products, it's a cancer... I mean I totally understand the guaranteed revenue and benefits of being able to forecast your company's spending roadmap but as a user, I am saddened to see our life becoming a big rental business, even food started to be on subscription and I wouldn't be surprised to see the notion of ownership slowly disappear.

    • @goognamgoognw6637
      @goognamgoognw6637 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@AnalogThinker It truly is a diminishing of rights and liberties. The right to own, the liberty to not be forced to be someone else's guaranteed future profit. governments have failed their role to protect consumers for decades.
      Government are in fact no longer independent they're obeying to bankers bandits.

  • @nickolasgaspar9660
    @nickolasgaspar9660 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Noice! I took a different route for my Atari ST/STEs. Got me some fine CRT screens (21 and 32'')and hooked them through a scart cable!

  • @blackcathardware6238
    @blackcathardware6238 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Thanks for this superb information! But there is another solution. NEC 1990 series can sync on 15kHz HSync even if it is not mentioned in the datasheet. At least my 1990 FXp can.

  • @achaney
    @achaney 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I really wish I would have watched this a few days ago. Awesome work

  • @gallgreg
    @gallgreg 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great info! Thanks for posting it!!!

  • @madcommodore
    @madcommodore 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I have used SCART RGB analog from my Amiga in 320x200 and 320x256 resolutions on both a 48" LCD and 65" Plasma Panasonic TV and there is no problem at all in quality, you will get the same quality or worse if you then change that to something for non interlaced HDMI input. If it doesn't look amazing with an RGBa SCART cable or your LCD doesn't support RGB input (like non European territories) then you need to throw your TV in the bin and get a better LCD/Plasma.

    • @ShamanKish
      @ShamanKish ปีที่แล้ว

      I used SCART too on ST+ and Sharp TV. Worked great. Problem was not all TVs had SCART 🙂

  • @interghost
    @interghost 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I would love it if someone made up the wire and supplied it with the VGA converter! As I am hopeless at making anything like that.

  • @Tartopom7
    @Tartopom7 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Ahh cet accent bien fançais :-)
    Superbe vidéo, merci !

  • @migry
    @migry 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I recently bought one of the eSYNiC converters (although I just noted that it doesn't say eSYNiC on the case, even though it is otherwise identical). It works for hi-res mono mode, although I get horrible vertical stripes which I suspect are moire patterns caused by the desktop grid of dots. Nevertheless it finally makes my Ebay STe purchase usable! However in (50Hz) colour mode I get no picture. So I burnt some US TOS 2.06 ROMs to see if running in 60Hz mode would work - it didn't. I'll try some other monitors, but the Atari colour modes do not fit with normal VGA H/V frequencies, so I'm almost surprised that it works for you.

  • @RetroDawn
    @RetroDawn 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Nice video! The monochrome mode was even a little better at 71.25Hz, BTW.

    • @mychelmycha
      @mychelmycha 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      it was a functional Retina display before it was cool!

    • @patbutete1722
      @patbutete1722 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      That was the only monitor you could run the legendary Cubase sequencing program.Back in the day I was making good money making adaptors converting multifrequency VGA monitors to run Atari monochrome mode!

  • @jamesleetrigg
    @jamesleetrigg 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks just what I was looking for

  • @ropersonline
    @ropersonline 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Can the upscalers also output the correct original 4:3 aspect ratio instead of distorting the image by stretching things out?
    Can the upscalers also output the ST's hi-rez mode like the mono adapter can on a VGA screen? (Possibly only in conjunction with that mono adapter?)

  • @shamon351
    @shamon351 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The Esynic is not avaible anymore... Can you play coloured games in B&W ? Thanks for the video anyway. Your accent is good for french person (speaking as a french myself) !

  • @deamondeathstone1
    @deamondeathstone1 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The third one has a bit of an overheating problem, fixable with a heatsink and a few holes in the top.

  • @madcommodore
    @madcommodore 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    My Panasonic 60" Plasma and 48" LCD give a pixel perfect picture when used with RGB analogue SCART cable from either my ST or Amiga or Archimedes. The picture is sharp, accurate and rock solid with zero noise or artifacting. Maybe you should buy Panasonic TVs and 15 bucks for an RGB SCART cable instead too and make it a zero lag possible setup? lol

  • @TuxedoPanther
    @TuxedoPanther 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks, very helpful 😀👍

  • @1960ARC
    @1960ARC 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great video and great work, I happen to have a VGA to HDMI converter that I used on a console, didn't consider using it on my Atari.

    • @mrflynn01
      @mrflynn01 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      1960ARC:
      www.amazon.com/esynic-vga-hdmi/s?k=esynic+vga+to+hdmi

  • @TSteffi
    @TSteffi 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    You said that no VGA monitors support the signal from the ST, but that is not true.
    Quite a lot of early TFT/LCD displays actually accept the 15kHz signal. I have 2 TFTs that work on my ST.
    The german Atari Forum has a thread where users have listed known working ones.
    forum.atari-home.de/index.php/topic,12352.0.html

  • @stuartsimpson2949
    @stuartsimpson2949 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Another option that isn't tested is the Retrotink SCART 2x converter that converts an Atari ST hooked up with an RGB SCART cable to HDMI.

    • @AnalogThinker
      @AnalogThinker  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Same for the OSSC, but the video is quite old now and I didn't have any of those, also the goal was to stick with a budget solution. Now of you can afford, obviously there are better solutions out there

  • @DOSputin
    @DOSputin 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great investigative work! Subscribed.

    • @DOSputin
      @DOSputin 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Got one of these VGA to HDMI devices, built the cable, Nothing. Tried it on two diff projectors. Double checked my cable connections.
      Any advice?

    • @DOSputin
      @DOSputin 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Interestingly. Connecting my home made VGA cable directly to the VGA input of my Projector, works great, in both low and medium modes. No HDMI converter needed for this!
      I bought a second device, and it was of an earlier revision.
      The IC was not lazer etched.
      It is an Macro Silicon MS9282
      "an integrated chip with triple 10-bit video ADC and advanced HDMI 1.3 transmitter. Which can support YPbPr or VGA to HDMI conversion in high performance without any resolution re-size."
      It also includes an Everest ES7240 24-bit 192khz Stereo ADC!

  • @kytahkytah8844
    @kytahkytah8844 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Excellent info! I'm looking for an HDMI solutions myself!

  • @lemmingzappa
    @lemmingzappa 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks so much for this video!

  • @DrGarfink
    @DrGarfink 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I recommend an OSSC. Works perfect out of the box.

    • @AnalogThinker
      @AnalogThinker  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      I would also recommend the OSSC, this was more a video about a cheap solution :p

    • @TPau65
      @TPau65 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      OSSC is really nice. Got one for my Ataris (and PSX, Jaguar) for some weeks now. One of the biggest pros is, that it converts the 15KHz-signal into the more convenient 31,x KHz.
      So you (theoretically!) can connect your Atari, Amiga, console to almost any modern PC-monitor! Of course, as with the other solutions, it hardly depends on the monitor/TV you use. Here it works perfectly with three different PC-monitors (NEC 1970NXP, FS P19-2, LG IPS235), but it doesn't with my two TVs (Loewe bild3.40 from 2017 and LG 32LE5500 from 2010). On these TVs the pic is stretched vertically with the ST AND the Playstation. So in the end even with OSSC it's try and error! 😐
      For my TVs the "Scart to HDMI Upscaler" (P2 in this video) is the best solution, not that perfect pic compared to OSSC, but with the correct position and proportions, both with ST and PSX. And I don't have those flickering etc. with Overscan-Demos on the ST.
      So for PC-monitors ---> OSSC, for TVs --> P2-solution. 😉

    • @there_is_no_switch
      @there_is_no_switch 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@TPau65 ​ @Analog Thinker With OSSC would you still use the same Atari to VGA cable?

  • @-Gothicgirl-
    @-Gothicgirl- 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Mmh I use a din to rgb scart cable with a ossc on it with 2 or 3x upscaling on my atari 1040STe. Better can it not go.
    I have the ossc for every console I have that output rgb scart

  • @TheBroDotTV
    @TheBroDotTV 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hi there I have an Atari ST FM and monitor to scart cable - what converter would you recommend? Thanks!!! :D

  • @HappyBeezerStudios
    @HappyBeezerStudios 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    The still frame shows that there isn't "the" perfect solution.
    The still frame shows the HDMI converter in the bottom middle is very sharp, almost too sharp with some edges that are brighter than they should be, while the VGA converter is noticably more washed out. Honestly, the B&W VGA has probably the best picture quality out of all of them.

  • @KristoffelLoos
    @KristoffelLoos 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    So if I understand you correctly for the vga cable you connected 10 blue to 3, 6 green to 2 and red 7 to 1 instead?

    • @AnalogThinker
      @AnalogThinker  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Correct, that gives you a VGA 15KHz output. This video is starting to date a bit and if you can afford, I'd highly recommend an OSSC solution, quite more expensive but vastly more compatible. This solution here is cheap and as clean as it can get, but requires your HDMI to support 15KHz mode, which is a bit of hit and miss.

    • @duvaughan
      @duvaughan 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@AnalogThinker good day, I know this is a dated video but it's a life line when my monitor died. My problem is that I only get Black and white. So I chopped up my plug and now got nothing.... is there resistors used on the 1,2,3 (RBG)??

    • @AnalogThinker
      @AnalogThinker  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@duvaughan It is good practice to add 75-150Ohms resistors but not required. If you lost signal, I'd check if you have the signal at the Computer end (could be a dead computer), and continuity of your cable.

  • @moonove
    @moonove 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi @analog thinker. Unfortunately read this video tooooo late :/ Looks like the VGA to HDMI is not available anymore :/ What would be the alternative ? I Checked in esynic website also but not really found the right one. Many thanks.

  • @xav500011
    @xav500011 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I collect retro computers and today I got my first Atari ST - a STE 1040. I brought a ST to VGA cable and the Esynic HD Video Converter as shown in your video (Model SV042). But none of my flat screen displays - 3 PC monitors and a LCD TV can display the signal. One of these monitors says the horizontal frequency is 15 KHZ. I was expecting the Esynic converter box to output a HDMI signal that would be compatible with a typical, modern PC monitor and convert the input of 15KHZ input frequenecy. Is your flatscreen monitor you are using in the video a special one that can handle 15 KHZ horizontal frequency?

    • @AnalogThinker
      @AnalogThinker  5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yes, you need a monitor that does support 15KHz on HDMI. Most of my monitors will handle it over HDMI but not over VGA, which is weird as both inputs are handled by the same chipset. I think I tried to put a card on the video to encourage checking the supported mode of the TV and avoid the deception you are facing, not sure if it displays correctly. Overall it is a cheap try. I mean the other box or the OSSC will convert the 15KHz into a standard 1080p signal but with quite a price difference, and way more processing.

  • @TheBroDotTV
    @TheBroDotTV 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have a monitor with vga - can I get a 13pin to vga cable for it?

  • @vbarr67
    @vbarr67 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    J'aurais du regarder la vidéo avant d'acheter le 1er :D ! Sur ma télé Toshiba 19AV625D pas la moindre image (no signal).. Merci pour ces expérimentations, il semble qu'avoir un adaptateur VGA et ensuite utiliser le convertisseur VGA-HDMI ou pas (pour avoir low/med ou high res) est la meilleure solution.

  • @TechRyze
    @TechRyze 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    If you can sell me a cable and link to the VGA to HDMI convertor, I’m interested in buying.
    Cheers!

  • @piotrpytkowski1542
    @piotrpytkowski1542 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Can you add scheme last colution cable? I wonder if this work for Mega

  • @recycledsteel3693
    @recycledsteel3693 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    If you do a search you could put a switch on tge VGA cable to switch between Colour and B&W. How was the mono output on the last adaptor?

    • @AnalogThinker
      @AnalogThinker  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes, I think there is even a newer than the classic ST2VGA adapter that also has trimpots to adjust the RGB levels, I haven't tested mono on the last adapter as my TV accepted the 31KHz signal over VGA no problem. I will try but I have no doubt it will also be very clean from the last converter.

  • @Leopold70
    @Leopold70 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    The demo with music it's for ST? Great video... Thank You!

    • @AnalogThinker
      @AnalogThinker  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Haha it's an awesome Demo for STe called "Sea of Colour" by Dead Hackers Society

    • @piotrpytkowski1542
      @piotrpytkowski1542 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@AnalogThinker (In vga plug) pins 5,6,7,8 are connected with pin 10 in plug?

    • @AnalogThinker
      @AnalogThinker  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@piotrpytkowski1542 Yes, 5, 6, 7, 8 and 10 can all be connected to Ground. Technically, 6, 7, 8 are for RGB Ground, but it doesn't matter for our application, it'a all the same.

  • @timsteryt
    @timsteryt 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey there. I have three Atari STf models and I’ve been looking for a solution to this problem. I have all my retro computers hooked up to modern HDMI displays using composite SCART to the HDMI upscaler you showed (option #3) and they all work great. I have yet to find a compatible cable for hooking up the ST via this same method though. Where can I buy this mystical cable to do this, or was your only solution to make one yourself? I’m no electronics guy so that solution is out. If they can only be made, any way I could pay your to make me one? 😊
    Great video.

    • @AnalogThinker
      @AnalogThinker  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Composite SCART is a bit of a shame, and your model being an STf, it does NOT have a modulator. Only the STfm has it. So you are stuck with the way better RGBHC signal, which is also compatible with SCART and unleashes its potential. At this point, just search "Atari ST to SCART cable", joust googled and found this:
      www.retrogamingcables.co.uk/atari/st/atari-st-rgb-av-scart-cable-tv-lead
      Otherwise, you can try getting the "ST2VGA" adapter, you would still need to build a VGA to SCART cable with this method tho.

    • @timsteryt
      @timsteryt 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@AnalogThinker Thanks for the reply. I actually got a UK cable months ago which was ST to SCART and couldn’t get a signal out of any of them. They all work on the Atari monitor though. Might I possibly have gotten the wrong cable? It was definitely the ST monitor out to a SCART connector. I’m willing to try again if you’re pretty certain the above cable may do the trick. Let me know. Thanks!

    • @AnalogThinker
      @AnalogThinker  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@timsteryt It could be that your monitor is using RGBHV signals, but your converter box is only using the Composite pin (as many cheap ones actually do, I ran into this issue while making the video actually). I would start by opening the SCART connector and check what pins are connected, and compare with the SCART pinout in front of you.

    • @timsteryt
      @timsteryt 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@AnalogThinker Ok. If you ran into the same issue and the cable above worked for you then I’ll feel a little more confident getting this one. Wish me luck. LOL

    • @timsteryt
      @timsteryt 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@AnalogThinker Also - just to be clear, I’m not sending the SCART output to a monitor, I’m converting it to HDMI to a modern TV.

  • @thegauldys909
    @thegauldys909 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi thanks for your video can you tell me if you just joined the RGB from Din directly to the RGB of the VGA

    • @AnalogThinker
      @AnalogThinker  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Correct, direct connect

    • @thegauldys909
      @thegauldys909 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Okay thanks for your reply one more question if you don’t mind did you have 13 and 4 looped on the din for the vga to hdmi upscaler?

    • @AnalogThinker
      @AnalogThinker  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@thegauldys909 No, 13-4 looped is only to get the HiRes Mono

    • @thegauldys909
      @thegauldys909 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@AnalogThinker hi thanks for your help one last question did you use the 47 ohm resistors

    • @AnalogThinker
      @AnalogThinker  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@thegauldys909 I don't recall. Test your input load and try.

  • @YQN2149
    @YQN2149 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    It's sad to lose the borders :( Aren't there ways to display on a modern display without altering the w/h ratio and losing the upper and lower borders?

    • @AnalogThinker
      @AnalogThinker  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yeah the video is a bit old, nowadays I would go with an OSSC, a bit more expensive than the ones showed in here for sure but offers all the flexibility you want (Or an Extron scaler if you find one, harder to come by tho)

  •  3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi There, what about using Composite Video from the RGB connector and using a Composite Video to HDMI or VGA converter? How well would that work?

    • @AnalogThinker
      @AnalogThinker  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That would work but, you would still have a lesser quality output.
      RGB > Composite, always.
      Composite has already been encoded and you may experience color issues and shifting, dot crawl artifacts, ghosting, lack of edge sharpness...

    •  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@AnalogThinker Thanks for answering! So, if I want the best possible color image (low/med res) what are my options If all I have is a flat LCD computer monitor that is not 15Khz capable that only have VGA & DVI input?

    • @AnalogThinker
      @AnalogThinker  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @ In 2021, I'd go for an OSSC or a RetroTink. They are a bit more pricey but they are really good and have tons of options. They will output HDMI but you can find passive HDMI to DVI adapters pretty much anywhere for a few bucks. That cheap VGA to HDMI converter from the video could still be worth trying if you were trying to plug a TV, for some reason they sometimes support 15KHz over HDMI/DVI but not VGA, but I guess this doesn't apply to you.

  • @ShamanKish
    @ShamanKish 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I could use scart with my Atari ST+.

  • @diamondrocks2266
    @diamondrocks2266 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have a Atari ste 1040 which has a modulator now do I do composite

    • @AnalogThinker
      @AnalogThinker  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Even with a modulator, you will still get a sharper image using the RGB output

  • @jond1965
    @jond1965 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Where would I get the Atari St to be vga cable? I want to use your favorite option for my 1040st and mega2 St thanks

    • @AnalogThinker
      @AnalogThinker  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hi jond1965, I’ve built the one I’m using in the video as it was faster and probably cheaper.
      I couldn’t find anything on exxoshosts store but found this one:
      coolnovelties.co.uk/coolnovelties/atari-st-video-cables/290-atari-st-to-vga-multi-sync-rgb-colour-monitor-cable.html
      I haven’t tried it but it seems to be the right cable according to the description.

  • @Mike.Garcia
    @Mike.Garcia 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Currently unavailable.
    We don't know when or if this item will be back in stock.

    • @AnalogThinker
      @AnalogThinker  5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It looks they have discontinued the very product I tried on the video but search for something like "eSynic VGA to HDMI Adapter Converter 1080P" and you should get their new lineup. I would assume it serves the same function despite the new form factor. Let us know how it goes!

    • @Mike.Garcia
      @Mike.Garcia 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@AnalogThinker I searched on eBay but didnt see anything looking like that model... I'll try again though.

    • @AnalogThinker
      @AnalogThinker  5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Mike.Garcia Try on Amazon, I'm based in Canada, maybe that eSynic brand is for our market, try without it

    • @mrflynn01
      @mrflynn01 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Analog Thinker
      Here is a fresh link:
      www.amazon.com/esynic-vga-hdmi/s?k=esynic+vga+to+hdmi

    • @mrflynn01
      @mrflynn01 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Mike Garcia:
      www.amazon.com/esynic-vga-hdmi/s?k=esynic+vga+to+hdmi

  • @joshi_6887
    @joshi_6887 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Have you tried the OSSC? it is the absolute best video quality you can get for any retro thing! It's only 110€ and it's a one fits all linedoubler/tripler/quadrupler! Consider it! All those "HD SCART Converters" are a scam, they smooth out everything! The image "bounces" as you call it because it thinks the PROGRESSIVE LOW RES mode of the atari (which is 240p (e.g. 320x200) ) is 480i!! It tries to de-interlace what is not interlaced! The VGA Converters are very good in their own right since they are intended to support common DOS VGA resolutions (320x200, 640x400/480, .... the list is too long) it is made to support correctly resolutions that are often found on VGA whereas it is not common to have a SCART lead carry 240p or 480p for a SCART converter which interpret that incorrectly!

    • @AnalogThinker
      @AnalogThinker  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes, I do have the OSSC now. You are right, the OSSC is the best solution but I didn't have one back when I made the video, as it didn't fit in my budget (granted with the price of the other crap adapters combined I could have bought it haha). It was also one of my first video/script, I learned a lot since, thanks to all your feedbacks! To me, even above the OSSC is the original CRT, the idea was to provide something that a regular guy that just found an ST in the attic could order on Amazon Prime and could do the job.
      Thanks for the insight on the Bouncing, but would you know why it is only bouncing at 50Hz but not 60Hz (same resolution)? If it's a de-interlace issue I guess it would impact both refresh rates?

    • @joshi_6887
      @joshi_6887 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@AnalogThinker in my experience i don"t really have heard of bouncing in this domain for scalers in general and haven't understood what you meant by it nor have noticed the "bouncing" so i don't really know. Although i have heard and seen numerous smoothing issues even in your video (e.g. the mouse moving is smoothed due to the adapter trying to deinterlace what isn't interlaced) and that is fixed by using good equipment (retrotink 2x, rad2x, ossc, framemeister, all other stuff.......)

  • @StevenClements
    @StevenClements 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    they all only give low and medium though... I prefer HIGH in black and white

    • @AnalogThinker
      @AnalogThinker  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yaya… but Mono games aren’t that common, and the mono resolution works nativelly on 99% of the monitors and TVs, out of the video’s scope ;)

  • @jnorten
    @jnorten 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    How can I get the cable if I want to go VGA to HDMI? I have a 1040STf.

    • @AnalogThinker
      @AnalogThinker  6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Hi John, cheapest option is to build it, you can find the "Atari DIN 13" plug on eBay and VGA anywhere.
      The only good off-the-shelf alternative I found is on coolnovelties (not affiliated, not tested but it seems it's the right one): coolnovelties.co.uk/coolnovelties/atari-st-video-cables/290-atari-st-to-vga-multi-sync-rgb-colour-monitor-cable.html
      Every other cable I could easily find on eBay are the Monochrome DIN->VGA, where the RGB are merged.

    • @jonnymorrisuk1
      @jonnymorrisuk1 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@AnalogThinker Can I ask what your wiring diagram was for your colour VGA cable please? Do you have a link to one I can view? Also I have tried in the past to make my own but found that soldering the DIN was near impossible with my soldering equipment, I don't know what I need to accomplish it properly.

    • @AnalogThinker
      @AnalogThinker  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jonnymorrisuk1 You can see it here, that's how it should be wired for Low and Med res:
      info-coach.fr/atari/hardware/interfaces.php#vga_color_cable
      Also there's a diagram here BUT this one is for Monochrome. So from the one below, you need to:
      1) Don't short Mono Detect with Grd
      2) Don't use the Mono signal
      3) Run the 3 RGB individually instead
      oldcraporg.files.wordpress.com/2017/11/atari-high-vga.gif
      I think I have a clean diagram I made somewhere, I'll post when I find it

  • @acbc2k
    @acbc2k 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    For the last solution, do u still need to have 47 ohm resistors for each colour?

    • @AnalogThinker
      @AnalogThinker  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes I would advise to use a resistor for each color. I believe common VGA levels are 0.7v and 1v, so if you get a dim picture you can reduce the value or get away without but I would still start with.

  • @glandress
    @glandress 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Do you make/sell the first monochrome option adapter?

    • @AnalogThinker
      @AnalogThinker  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I don't have a shop yet, maybe I'll consider it in the future as I am developing a few mods for the ST. However, there are good options out there, here are links for 2 similar adapters handling BOTH Low/Medium res (if your monitor handles 15KHz) AND High Res that almost all VGA monitors should handle:
      - Centurion Tech: centuriontech.eu/product/st2vga-r4/
      - BackOffice Show (Also havs a channel, seems sold out at the moment): backofficeshow.com/shop/atarivga
      Otherwise there are plain regular passthru cables on eBay as well.

    • @glandress
      @glandress 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@AnalogThinker Thank you much!

  • @Miesiu
    @Miesiu 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    6:10 - What is POV112 ?

    • @TPau65
      @TPau65 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      "Persistance of Vision" or smth like that. A Demo/Game disk series like Automation etc.

  • @FhargaZ
    @FhargaZ 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Versus the sc1224 ?

    • @AnalogThinker
      @AnalogThinker  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Well, I'm using one and can't beat the original monitor, my take is always use the CRT if you can but some new adopters may not have access to anything else but a TV

  • @escapement
    @escapement 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Use this cable with a dell 2001fp monitor... works like a champ... the cable has a switch to change from low/medium to hires mode....
    www.best-electronics-ca.com/monadapt.htm
    Or if you want to upscale scart rgb... Get an ossc... open source scan converter... Not cheap but best in class

  • @discoHR
    @discoHR 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    What about SCART cable + Framemeister XRGB-mini? Anyone tried it?

    • @jonsevern
      @jonsevern 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I get flickering with a PAL Atari ST FM and Atari STE

    • @ScottPearce1976
      @ScottPearce1976 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jonsevern Same here.

  • @dewietze
    @dewietze 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You forgot to mention that none of the converters you use actually dont convert all frames (50 for example) but half of it (25).The vga to hmdi converter only works if the target display accepts the Atari 15khz output frequency.

    • @AnalogThinker
      @AnalogThinker  6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Hi @dewietze, correct, my preferred adapter won't scale, do line dubbling nor output 31KHz so it is only going to work if your HDMI supports 15KHz. It seems most of my TVs support 15KHz over HDMI, but not over VGA (go figure...). As for the frames, it seems they do convert all frames though, I have shown this on the follow-up video: th-cam.com/video/KIUg9KgCaeo/w-d-xo.html

    • @piotrpytkowski1542
      @piotrpytkowski1542 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@AnalogThinker can you ad scheme cable to last (the best )solution? 19 pin to vga

  • @PiaseckiAdam22
    @PiaseckiAdam22 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Anyone sell me just the Atari ST/1040/Falcon case only?

    • @AnalogThinker
      @AnalogThinker  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Wrong place bud, this is not a buy/sell group. I would recommend the dedicated Atari forums, Atariage or Atari-forums, or the Facebook groups.

  • @drzeissler
    @drzeissler 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    th-cam.com/video/c25dlHFW584/w-d-xo.html no that's not good. look the vertical lines!

  • @mrflynn01
    @mrflynn01 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    This might help get you to the faster solution:
    www.amazon.com/esynic-vga-hdmi/s?k=esynic+vga+to+hdmi

  • @Miesiu
    @Miesiu 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    3:31 - CosmosEx !!! Hahaha !!!

  • @_DarkEmperor
    @_DarkEmperor 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Or You could just buy LCD monitor or LCD TV with VGA input.
    Your older TV probably already is equipped with VGA input.

    • @AnalogThinker
      @AnalogThinker  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Negative, only a VERY select few TV/Monitors support 15KHz, the vast majority only take 31KHz and above.

  • @espenaso
    @espenaso 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Haha sexgames.prg

    • @AnalogThinker
      @AnalogThinker  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hey great demo haha, makes me think of that CosmosEx device from Jookie, also a terrible name, especially when I written on the custom's form on the parcel...

  • @veja4395
    @veja4395 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    sometimes i dont understand him. i dont think he speaks english all the time.

  • @kwanchan6745
    @kwanchan6745 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    yawn
    how does this video help anyone ?
    you've only included links to the runner up products, no indication of where to buy the generic vga to hdmi converter
    worse, you gloss over the fact you had to build your own st to vga colour cable, you flash up the wiring diagram for a few seconds
    what a waste of my time

    • @AnalogThinker
      @AnalogThinker  4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Thanks for the constructive feedback.
      I thought I would help people by at least showing why the cheapest and unfortunatelly common converter was a bad investment as it only takes composite.
      As for the links, as I mentioned in the description, they expired. I don’t have time to keep them updated forever and was hoping the people interested would search and recognize the devices.
      As for the custom cable, I hoped people interested would buy the premade cables or pause the video if they really wanted to make their own.
      I apologize for wasting your time, will try to do better! This was only my second video, and I agree it’s far from my best work, Rome wasn’t built in one day!