Normally I try to stay pretty focused on videos I watch, none of this "watch stuff while I fold laundry" stuff, but this was the one game I wasn't paying so close attention to what the opponent was doing...oops. To be fair, they didn't give me that much time to do so.
Absolutely brutal deck, I love it. You’re so unflappable, 31:05 is probably the most reaction I’ve seen because of an opponent haha. Great sportsmanship in victory and defeat. Best MTG content creator!
4:40: If you bounce Trelasarra in response to the lifegain trigger, she doesn't scry, and opponent is forced to replay 2 mana instead of 1; and more to the point, don't mill decks kind of counter scry, anyway?
Mill is by far my favorite decks, specially Dimir. The only deck I've kept in IRL. The addition of glimpse is awesome, but we are still so far from the true potential of this deck :( Very well played, and amazing list, as always! Keep it up!
Crab: "Gimme yo deck fam." Opponents: "Pffft, I'm not giving my decks to you. You're just a dumb cra...." Crab: (Pulls out knife) Opponents: (Sweating profusely) Crab: ".....you were saying?"
what a beautiful deck ^^ Ages ago I milled my friends with a milling stone in a draw&go deck. Oh dear I had good friends back in the day to deal with that. xD
Man, so many tools missing from the deck due to the card pool in historic. Love the archetype and all the salt it causes. Just another win condition. 😁
@@RussWilgus I took out 2 Tasha's Hideous Laughter and 1 Drowned Secrets and threw in 3 Bruvac the Grandiloquent. Its worth it because Bruvac makes kicking Maddening Cacophony mill the opponents ENTIRE library since half their library times two is well you know...
Same, but thats why I love having gaea's blessing in every historic deck as a one off. Best feeling ever is getting to the last few cards of your library just to have gaea be on the bottom put everything back into your library.
im looking at this vid months later but like, i figured instead of fading hope, you could probably slap in some Didnt Say Please which counters a spell and mills the opponent for 3 cards, which would be interesting i think
Any reason you didn't include a couple of Mesmeric Orbs? Is it too slow? Seems like free mill that forces the opponent to slow down a bit and punishes "hand dump" decks.
@@LegenVDI'd guess it is wise to have 4 of them? Is it ok to remove 2 Cacophony, 1 Ashiok and 1 Laughter for that, or you'd remove something else, may I ask?
@@alexcebollero No they wouldn't since that would trigger only if Trelasara was on the battlefield when the trigger of the lifegain resolved since the ability is "When you gain life get a counter and scry 1"
in the end of game 7 did you cut a moment of you casting another mill spell for fun? it's ok we can understand why would you want to over mill a lifegain deck
nice deck!!! let me ask you a question! If you would have to choose just 1 deck for explorer or historic to change your wildcards.. which deck would be??? Thanks!!!
It usually denotes a high degree of specialization in the deck's nominal strategy. e.g., the recent "rogues mill" standard deck could be considered a hybrid tempo/mill strategy since it could win by milling or by attacking, whereas this deck can be called "turbo mill" since pretty much all the cards just mill, and milling is the only way this deck plans to win.
It's short for "turbo xerox" which is like a 20-30 year old and still very popular piece of MTG theory. Basically the idea is to play less lands and lots of cheap cantrips. This way you're as likely to hit your land drops but can also find any other card more easily. The strategy is extra good if you can make other use of the cheap spells like in a delver or prowess deck. I have no idea why LVD called this one turbo though, as it doesn't follow the principle.
Good video and play. Sad to see that this miserable archetype still exists in MTG, 25 years after millstone was printed, but glad that all but two of the wins were against mana screwed oppos.
But the deck needs aome changes to be honest. 4 ashioks seems a lot maybe cut o e for a single bruvac also cut consider and put the enchantment from dominaria united that is blue a d uncommon .
@@TheTrooper424 1k+ is quite an understatement. There are something like 20 000 unique cards that can build around 10^14000 different legal decks give or take a few thousand zeros. Even counting just the ones legal in historic that someone has actually played the number is probably over 10k.
@@TheTrooper424 yes and i am not being dismissive but in historic you need to do things every turn because turn 3 everything is over example heliod combo neoform combo and so on. But i am a fan of legenvd and i loved he making a mill deck
Anyone else ever notice that bonecrusher has the highest draw rate of any card in the game? I draw it in decks that it's not even in.
i think it's hardcoded to be 95% of the time in opening hands, and also to being able to draw 3 or 4 of them in less than 9 turns
😂🤣😂🤣😂
Lol!!!
Pro tip: Splash some red mana in every deck just so you can play it.
I wonder if it has to do with the hand smoothing algorithm with arena bc the mana value of adventure spells are easy to curve with.
Honestly realized that I just love every video you make no matter the format.
"Doesn't seem like our opponent is going to deal infinite damage with the valet."
Today I've learned never to underestimate a Devilish Valet
Normally I try to stay pretty focused on videos I watch, none of this "watch stuff while I fold laundry" stuff, but this was the one game I wasn't paying so close attention to what the opponent was doing...oops.
To be fair, they didn't give me that much time to do so.
The "Oh, oh..." in the end was priceless! kkkkkkkkkkkk
The fact you stayed in good spirits and took it on the chin in game 8 is why everyone loves you. Keep on, sir.
"Did not know this was a card that existed"
Me: Huh, so even gods is not omniscience
A chance for Evil LVD to show his quality.
Absolutely brutal deck, I love it. You’re so unflappable, 31:05 is probably the most reaction I’ve seen because of an opponent haha. Great sportsmanship in victory and defeat. Best MTG content creator!
4:40: If you bounce Trelasarra in response to the lifegain trigger, she doesn't scry, and opponent is forced to replay 2 mana instead of 1; and more to the point, don't mill decks kind of counter scry, anyway?
That's a good point!
The 2 mana, every creature creates a 1/1 is incredibly strong whoa
haha yeah that's absolutely overpowered
yeah that seems pretty dumb!
33:25 Missed a Drown in the Loch in the graveyard when you were looking for counterspells. 😉
The crab with the knife is such a good reference
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Mill is by far my favorite decks, specially Dimir. The only deck I've kept in IRL.
The addition of glimpse is awesome, but we are still so far from the true potential of this deck :(
Very well played, and amazing list, as always!
Keep it up!
looks like very clear efficient streamlined mill deck of all. going to invest some wildcards and ty it. thanks.
"I did not know this was a card that existed."
Thank you very much for your time and wonderful gameplay, master LegenVD.
Crab: "Gimme yo deck fam."
Opponents: "Pffft, I'm not giving my decks to you. You're just a dumb cra...."
Crab: (Pulls out knife)
Opponents: (Sweating profusely)
Crab: ".....you were saying?"
Ashiok's ability to remove the graveyard after the mill makes the ability so much better. Maybe even too good.
what a beautiful deck ^^ Ages ago I milled my friends with a milling stone in a draw&go deck. Oh dear I had good friends back in the day to deal with that. xD
Thanks for sharing!
Man, so many tools missing from the deck due to the card pool in historic. Love the archetype and all the salt it causes. Just another win condition. 😁
Yeah Mill to me is just a modern take on burn where all the numbers are 3 times bigger.
@@jerodast Yeah, it's a good way to look at it. Just like infect. Different but kinda the same.
Try "Xanathar, Guild Kingpin" for another win condition. Mill there deck, and play there deck against them. Salt on top of Salt. :)
I threw in a Bruvac the Grandiloquent and you'd be surprised how many people don't pay attention to it at first.
what did you take out?
@@RussWilgus I took out 2 Tasha's Hideous Laughter and 1 Drowned Secrets and threw in 3 Bruvac the Grandiloquent. Its worth it because Bruvac makes kicking Maddening Cacophony mill the opponents ENTIRE library since half their library times two is well you know...
@@rcheysnarfs2747 haha, that's even more evil. Thank you!
Thank you for sharing, I've wanted to run an aggro Mill deck for a while.
This deck is crazy! Just won 10 games in a row. Thanks LegenVD
this deck is garbage. i played 5 games: 2x elves = lost, auras = lost, goblins = lost, rakdos = lost
Maybe I was lucky. But I will keep play with this deck often
The one mill deck I made was the one you msde when hideous laughter came out. That deck was brutally hilarious
Founding the third path is very good with glimpse the unthinkable and maddening. Maybe even better than other 2 mana enchantment.
So true
I'll never forget the hard-on I got from milling the opponent's 5 mana control deck in 2v2 with ONE Telemin Performance.
Wait, a Historic deck this soon after a new set release? I’m happy but shocked. Once a week Historic would be great
Holy god! Here it is! Dimir colors !
wow
fastest 15 daily wins in my history so far
often ppl just scoop when see you mill
I hate being Milled and playing Mill but watching it is pretty cool
Same, but thats why I love having gaea's blessing in every historic deck as a one off. Best feeling ever is getting to the last few cards of your library just to have gaea be on the bottom put everything back into your library.
@@grandfathernurgle2840 Love the username! Sisters here lol
You're such a nice guy Legend. I enjoy your's videos a lot.
17:03 Weathered Runestone + Chemister’s Insight…? 🧐
What is Runestone even doing in a best of one deck? I don't know the meta, is there some play-everything-from-the-yard deck?
I just faced 8 mill decks in a row and nearly Uninstalled arena, just for this to pop up in my notifs.
Maybe I'll finally make a midrange deck...
The only solution is more mill
Rope Line attendant seems crazy good for a go-wide deck
Always be careful of the crab with a knife.
Nice video LVD. Any reason why you haven't included bruvac? I may try a variant of it with bruvac and the new 1U enchantment from DMU.
It's not the best with Hideous Laughter and found it better to avoid creatures, especially if they don't necessarily mill anything right away.
@@LegenVD Thanks for the quick answer. I can see your reason especially in the fast historic meta.
Even LegendV sounds a little sad while playing mill decks.
I really wish we had more good responses to mill than Gaea's Blessing.
Funny things is while testing the deck in the play queue I faced that card more than once.
Well, there's Clear the Mind. But that's assuming you draw it before it's milled.
@@Rusaarules Sure, but being a sorcery, we would have to deal with things like Ashiok and Tasha's Laughter yet.
@@LegenVD algorithm was testing if you really wanted to make this monstrosity. 😆
@@ronzonirafael True, but it is still an answer.
Is there any chance, whatsoever, that you'll build an Explorer Rogues/Mill deck in the future?
Bro managed to beat mono red with a mill deck. That's skill
"Opponent just going for the throat here"
No, Go For The Throat targets a creature ;)
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hey Legend, do you think Ajani can be saved? What are your thoughts on this? I was pretty heartbroken with what happened to him…
We can only hope.
"you either die a hero or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain"
im looking at this vid months later but like, i figured instead of fading hope, you could probably slap in some Didnt Say Please which counters a spell and mills the opponent for 3 cards, which would be interesting i think
Have you considered the new 2 mana saga? With glimpse it's 24 cards over 3 turns for 4 mana over 2 turns
Yeah could be solid in the deck for sure.
This seems like it would do great in best of 3 whith a switch up side board. Can go rogues removal for aggro or do just this for control
What would you slot out for founding the third path?
Consider or drowned secrets. I dropped consider, I'm not looking to be good, I'm looking to be lucky.
do you think that new blue bounce spell with a kicker could make it into here comfortably? Maybe in place of consider?
Mess with the crab-o, get the stab-o.
Any reason you didn't include a couple of Mesmeric Orbs? Is it too slow? Seems like free mill that forces the opponent to slow down a bit and punishes "hand dump" decks.
If short a couple cards how's about adding 1 mana instant slip out the back door
personally i find that Watery Grave 4x and Drowned Catacomb 2x are more suitable in this deck.
So degenerate I love it. Thought demir rogue mill was nasty then I see this!!!
When and why did crabs become the theme animal for milling?
Worth it to splash red for copying spells?
Founding of the third path from dominaria united would be probably incredibly good in this deck
Yes, can see it slotting in nicely.
Recorded this before Dominaria sadly.
@@LegenVDI'd guess it is wise to have 4 of them? Is it ok to remove 2 Cacophony, 1 Ashiok and 1 Laughter for that, or you'd remove something else, may I ask?
ln the first match you could've bounced Trelasara in response to Soul Warden's triggered ability, correct? Or am l missing something?
Yes but they would have still gotten to scary their deck for 1.
@@alexcebollero No they wouldn't since that would trigger only if Trelasara was on the battlefield when the trigger of the lifegain resolved since the ability is "When you gain life get a counter and scry 1"
in the end of game 7 did you cut a moment of you casting another mill spell for fun? it's ok we can understand why would you want to over mill a lifegain deck
nice deck!!! let me ask you a question! If you would have to choose just 1 deck for explorer or historic to change your wildcards.. which deck would be??? Thanks!!!
Depends which play style you like!
I went for green 💚 stompy
the real question is how did you not face goblins and elves ever game?
You edit out the first 3 losses to red aggro
Anybody knows what does the prefix turbo- mean for some decks? Like turbofog, turbomill etc...
Probably just means “really fast”
It usually denotes a high degree of specialization in the deck's nominal strategy. e.g., the recent "rogues mill" standard deck could be considered a hybrid tempo/mill strategy since it could win by milling or by attacking, whereas this deck can be called "turbo mill" since pretty much all the cards just mill, and milling is the only way this deck plans to win.
It's short for "turbo xerox" which is like a 20-30 year old and still very popular piece of MTG theory. Basically the idea is to play less lands and lots of cheap cantrips. This way you're as likely to hit your land drops but can also find any other card more easily. The strategy is extra good if you can make other use of the cheap spells like in a delver or prowess deck.
I have no idea why LVD called this one turbo though, as it doesn't follow the principle.
Makes sense. Thanks for all the kind answers!
Good ol' Mill. It doesn't always work. In fact, it frequently doesn't. But when it does, it's so satisfying.
Is there a reason for Consider over Opt that I missed?
Usually need a reason to play Opt over Consider.
Getting rid of bad cards is great when you end up shuffling the deck.
Founding the third path would be very good in this deck
Indeed, didn't have it yet when this video was recorded.
Nice
i see mill, i click
Would you put it "Cut your losses" or is it too slow?
Too slow for Historic.
I think Founding of the third path would be great in this deck
Could definitely see it slotting in.
Add - x4 TOXIC DELUGES
For Board Control...
That card wasn't on Arena when this deck was built, this is a very outdated video.
dayum
Make a Liliana deck for Historic, pleeease!
Why fading hope instead of rona's vortex? its better removal
You can save ur crabs
Recorded this before Dominaria, but still prefer Fading Hope for Scry and targeting our own creatures.
This is evil.
Dude plays flashback with runestone isn’t that just a direct counter to themselves?
I hope an upvote will excuse the big (hideous) laugh I just had during the 8th game.
yeah I call bs in that alchemy card
Add fabled passage
I talk about it in the intro.
Love me some Mill
Slot in 2 bruvac somewhere for the love of Christ.
Not playing mill really provides a lot of value
I love your video and the fact that you play all types of decks instead of focusing on your favourite. But fuck mill.
Ontuh De Nex'Twan
Looking for a list like this thanks a lot
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Tried this deck, and I get put up against nothing but aggro and get rinsed everytime. 0/11 and counting...
Good video and play. Sad to see that this miserable archetype still exists in MTG, 25 years after millstone was printed, but glad that all but two of the wins were against mana screwed oppos.
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3rd or 4th
Mill never is a problem for me since I often use 100-130 card decks in historic and have at least one gae'as blessing in every deck.
I want to see him face mono black magic some day and fail to mill out by just 1 card.
But the deck needs aome changes to be honest. 4 ashioks seems a lot maybe cut o e for a single bruvac also cut consider and put the enchantment from dominaria united that is blue a d uncommon .
Look, there are 1k+ ways to make a deck, and you can't please everyone. Let's not be dismissive just because you think you know it all.
@@TheTrooper424 1k+ is quite an understatement. There are something like 20 000 unique cards that can build around 10^14000 different legal decks give or take a few thousand zeros. Even counting just the ones legal in historic that someone has actually played the number is probably over 10k.
@@TheTrooper424 yes and i am not being dismissive but in historic you need to do things every turn because turn 3 everything is over example heliod combo neoform combo and so on. But i am a fan of legenvd and i loved he making a mill deck
Bam!
Why I don’t like historic , those damn broken cards that give perpetual and other dumb stuff . Standard and Explorer only for this guy.
1st
@@Big_Dai no because I’m first.
@@Big_Dai Y U MAD ♥️
How old are you that such a thing matters to you?
@@theaeskey2502 You are not, it seems. Check the "newest" comment and scroll down
@@myojinofnightsreach346 yes i am.
Mill is the stupidest archetype.