My last tweak is creating a diy platter underneath my desktop tube amp. I do have my sub underneath my desk. I’ve used pillows to stuff around the sub so that the desktop would vibrate less. From the bottom upwards: As far as the platter, the bottom has spring type footers. This lessens the up and down vibrations the sub creates. Plastic plate. Furniture concave cups found at Home Depot online. A half inch steel ball bearing sits in each of the four cups. Takes care of the shifty motion movement. Granite serving plate. Two cellphone grip pads. Then carbon fiber spike base. Spikes then amp on top. For sound waves, I use diffusion panels in between speaker and tube amp. I can barely feel the vibes on my amp with my fingertips. I kept on hearing a buzz in my music until I made my platter.
Live Vibe Audio equipment and especially the amazing Rhythm Platforms have transformed my system in the last several months to an unbelievable level of fidelity. I even went back to an old set of speakers that I almost had given up on it, placed them on the RP’s and they came back to life. They aren’t cheap but they’re worth every penny so much that I bought 6 of them. I’ve known Robert for over 20 years ago and I highly recommend his expertise in audio system improvement. Good video, thanks for taking the time to share with us!
I built a very resolving current feedback 250W into 8 ohm amplifier. The heat sinks for the amplifier are external to the case. The fins on the heat sink make a ringing tone when you plug or strike them. If you place a strip of PVC insulation tape across the heat sink to dampen this ringing of the heat sink fins, the sound of the amplifier becomes damped on the mid to high frequencies as well as having a darker background. When the tape is removed the mid to highs have a more energetic open sound. It appears there are microphonic effects from the output stage power transistors. So, vibration isolation or tuning can help.
Great Job Mikey , Video is 🔥 I couldn't agree more with Ya , AC can have alot of noise even from light switches to Power supplies -to even thr GRID' theirs a reason why our systems sound better at night time vs daytime - 😃
I think vibrations have been making my screw down terminals come loose. The ones that connect the speaker cables. I'm using thick copper gold plated spades and the screw down terminals on the speakers come loose every now and then.
I understand the transfer and focusing of the vibrations on those stands through the cone to the floor, but why do those stands have cones with the points up so the pointed surface contacts the underside of the component? (how does the point collect the vibrations from the component if the point is the focus?)
Great Question. They have couplers that go underneath the equipment and crab the cone around the circumference about a half inch up the cone. This is the best way to rigidly couple it to the steel shelf. To invert and use a coupler..
But what if you don´t have a concrete floor but a wooden floor which vibrates from you base speakers etc.? Coupling components to this floor would make things worse as components would pick up the vibration of the wooden floor.
If vibration is in a hard and soft material it will travel from hard to soft, not the other way. Also if your speakers are actually vibrating your floor, thats not good.. that room will resonate and can jack the sound up..
I just have to say those demos of the live vibe are a million times better sounding than anything over at Jays audio lab has ever done. you are THE Man ! I am definitely going to get the Live Vibe platforms and I will tell him you sent me. Thanks!
It depends on how the components are made. I would say source components and anything with tubes in it would be a good first choice. But, as always, there are exceptions. For example, my Wadia 861SE is built with vibration control in mind. Its made out of thick aluminum, weighs over 50 pounds and comes from the factory with cones blocks to go under each cone. Any vibration control I've ever tried with it is inaudible or makes such a small difference, I'm not really sure if its real. If you have a mass market CD player, just get some decent entry level cones and put a heavy textbook on top of it. Something like that needs the help, and even half ass fixes can be significant. If you have tubes, you can get vibration control treatments that go directly on the tubes.
Ahhh you're the guy whom I have got that completely disproportionate notion/or ideal (vs my life) of building earth (in a new dream house build) around huge, thick. solid, but indented brass rods. In my dreams this would be then topped off by poured concrete, which would then by being glued to the flooring on top, or left as bare concrete. This poured concrete would couple throw huge machined holes in each rod, "though" the earth/dirt and finish at the top as a flat surface. In my crazy theory, life-style, and wage, every piece of equipment and speakers would be mounted strategically over the pipe-organ-sized sunken rods, so that everything is couple together and is truly grounded. Cuz, surely, as voltages have to refer to an absolute "0", or the chassis or different pints have to be, or may have to be electronically earthed - vibration or resonance must too. Ok, next vid.
Some things you said are a reasonable guide, other information you provided is a little gray, but that's not your fault, as you said your not an engineer. We are are working on the ultimate solution for this issue and are confident in trials....watch this space.
No I'm sorry I didn't try those, I like live vibe and that's pretty much it . There's really no reason to go trying A bunch of other vibration products when I've tried hundreds over the last 20 years. live vibe is the one that I'm gonna stay with and I really don't need to look elsewhere. Thanks for your feedback however
I think Nordost is a completely Bullshit company altogether.. I would never trust nor use anything even if it were free from a company that charges $30K per half meter for silver plated copper speaker cables in extruded plastic.. They are HUSTLERS of the highest order...
The only isolation I can understand that makes sense is harmonics picked up by tube gear, or turntables caused by loud speakers. The rest is all snake oil.
Yes correct. The idea of isolation is really a misnomer. And turntable would be the only thing that you want to put on something soft or levitated in the air better yet . Tube microphonics need tube dampers, and sometimes that even affects things negatively. I've liked tubes with and withbut halos on them.
My last tweak is creating a diy platter underneath my desktop tube amp. I do have my sub underneath my desk.
I’ve used pillows to stuff around the sub so that the desktop would vibrate less.
From the bottom upwards:
As far as the platter, the bottom has spring type footers. This lessens the up and down vibrations the sub creates.
Plastic plate.
Furniture concave cups found at Home Depot online. A half inch steel ball bearing sits in each of the four cups. Takes care of the shifty motion movement.
Granite serving plate.
Two cellphone grip pads. Then carbon fiber spike base. Spikes then amp on top.
For sound waves, I use diffusion panels in between speaker and tube amp.
I can barely feel the vibes on my amp with my fingertips. I kept on hearing a buzz in my music until I made my platter.
Live Vibe Audio equipment and especially the amazing Rhythm Platforms have transformed my system in the last several months to an unbelievable level of fidelity. I even went back to an old set of speakers that I almost had given up on it, placed them on the RP’s and they came back to life. They aren’t cheap but they’re worth every penny so much that I bought 6 of them. I’ve known Robert for over 20 years ago and I highly recommend his expertise in audio system improvement. Good video, thanks for taking the time to share with us!
I built a very resolving current feedback 250W into 8 ohm amplifier. The heat sinks for the amplifier are external to the case. The fins on the heat sink make a ringing tone when you plug or strike them. If you place a strip of PVC insulation tape across the heat sink to dampen this ringing of the heat sink fins, the sound of the amplifier becomes damped on the mid to high frequencies as well as having a darker background. When the tape is removed the mid to highs have a more energetic open sound. It appears there are microphonic effects from the output stage power transistors. So, vibration isolation or tuning can help.
Great story ! Thx !
Good timing as I’m waiting for my very first rack to arrive , can’t wait to experience what proper stand can offer ,
Vibration control and isolation is effective on speakers ! In standard environment, heat and dust is more detrimental to electronics!
Black Sorbothane cushion 1/8" thick x 1" squares, under speakers, bottom of preamp, power amp, dac, CD player.
Great Job Mikey , Video is 🔥 I couldn't agree more with Ya , AC can have alot of noise even from light switches to Power supplies -to even thr GRID' theirs a reason why our systems sound better at night time vs daytime - 😃
Fascinating subject 😊
Sure is !
I think vibrations have been making my screw down terminals come loose. The ones that connect the speaker cables. I'm using thick copper gold plated spades and the screw down terminals on the speakers come loose every now and then.
I understand the transfer and focusing of the vibrations on those stands through the cone to the floor, but why do those stands have cones with the points up so the pointed surface contacts the underside of the component? (how does the point collect the vibrations from the component if the point is the focus?)
Great Question. They have couplers that go underneath the equipment and crab the cone around the circumference about a half inch up the cone. This is the best way to rigidly couple it to the steel shelf. To invert and use a coupler..
But what if you don´t have a concrete floor but a wooden floor which vibrates from you base speakers etc.? Coupling components to this floor would make things worse as components would pick up the vibration of the wooden floor.
If vibration is in a hard and soft material it will travel from hard to soft, not the other way. Also if your speakers are actually vibrating your floor, thats not good.. that room will resonate and can jack the sound up..
WOW
The technics su-r1000 is build with very heavy duty thick aluminum
OK
@@OCDHIFiGuy also the feet is pretty freaking good to. Many big brands could learn a thing or two from them
I just have to say those demos of the live vibe are a million times better sounding than anything over at Jays audio lab has ever done. you are THE Man ! I am definitely going to get the Live Vibe platforms and I will tell him you sent me. Thanks!
Rock on!
Mikey - If one were to start down the Live Vibe path, what component would you say benefits the most from their type of vibration control?
It depends on how the components are made. I would say source components and anything with tubes in it would be a good first choice. But, as always, there are exceptions. For example, my Wadia 861SE is built with vibration control in mind. Its made out of thick aluminum, weighs over 50 pounds and comes from the factory with cones blocks to go under each cone. Any vibration control I've ever tried with it is inaudible or makes such a small difference, I'm not really sure if its real. If you have a mass market CD player, just get some decent entry level cones and put a heavy textbook on top of it. Something like that needs the help, and even half ass fixes can be significant.
If you have tubes, you can get vibration control treatments that go directly on the tubes.
@Paul, DAC, then Phono Pre, then Preamp, then AMPS
Funny how many guys answer to Mikey here. Lol.
Ahhh you're the guy whom I have got that completely disproportionate notion/or ideal (vs my life) of building earth (in a new dream house build) around huge, thick. solid, but indented brass rods. In my dreams this would be then topped off by poured concrete, which would then by being glued to the flooring on top, or left as bare concrete. This poured concrete would couple throw huge machined holes in each rod, "though" the earth/dirt and finish at the top as a flat surface. In my crazy theory, life-style, and wage, every piece of equipment and speakers would be mounted strategically over the pipe-organ-sized sunken rods, so that everything is couple together and is truly grounded. Cuz, surely, as voltages have to refer to an absolute "0", or the chassis or different pints have to be, or may have to be electronically earthed - vibration or resonance must too. Ok, next vid.
I See you understand the OCD in OCD HiFi Guy... ;-) 😉
@@OCDHIFiGuy Yes OCD.
Live Vibe is formerly Star Sound Technologies, right?
Yes.
Yep
I use a small rock and got the same result vs, brass.
Bullshit...
Some things you said are a reasonable guide, other information you provided is a little gray, but that's not your fault, as you said your not an engineer. We are are working on the ultimate solution for this issue and are confident in trials....watch this space.
HIFISTAY, did you test these? I've heard from a friend that they are very good.
No I'm sorry I didn't try those, I like live vibe and that's pretty much it . There's really no reason to go trying A bunch of other vibration products when I've tried hundreds over the last 20 years. live vibe is the one that I'm gonna stay with and I really don't need to look elsewhere. Thanks for your feedback however
I know you are against big companies, but what do you think about $900 Nordost synchronizer?
I think Nordost is a completely Bullshit company altogether.. I would never trust nor use anything even if it were free from a company that charges $30K per half meter for silver plated copper speaker cables in extruded plastic.. They are HUSTLERS of the highest order...
Had to see if you are a Syrian man or a tremor type.
i'm not a physicist, I'm not a scientist" really? Then what the heck was that you just said in this video?
A long haired leaping Gnome telling it in layman's terms..
The only isolation I can understand that makes sense is harmonics picked up by tube gear, or turntables caused by loud speakers. The rest is all snake oil.
Yes correct. The idea of isolation is really a misnomer. And turntable would be the only thing that you want to put on something soft or levitated in the air better yet . Tube microphonics need tube dampers, and sometimes that even affects things negatively. I've liked tubes with and withbut halos on them.
microphonics
Tube dampers