I want to see Sporino return for a rematch and have Adonis fight Apollo's legitimate kid from Rocky 2 and Rocky 4 (deleted scene) it would make sense if he had shown up after Mary Anne died since she has stated that she pushed her family away since Creed 1
I want the fight choreography to revert back to how they did the first Creed vs Conlan fight in Creed 1. I do not like the cartoonish, overexaggerated punching of Creed 2 and 3's fight choreography.
There won't be a Creed IV until after this new movie. But, don't be disappointed, Rocky & Creed become more alive, than ever before. A new superstar emerges & his name is Cocky Balboa. Laugh at his name now, but, you won't later. In this latest series, Rocky's estranged son Robert, bursts into the boxing world, after years of brooding over his father's inattention to him & his obscurity. His anger leads him to street confrontations & reminders, that he isn't his father. Propelling him to quietly begin mercilessly training, to prove to the world & most of all, his father, that not only is he as great as his father, but greater. But, his present state of mind & character deficit, falls far short of Rocky's. He becomes a crass, vulgar, taunting man, even denigrating his father's legacy & him personally, as a man & as a father. He begins to accept & win amateur fights & realizes, that his unrefined Rocky genes are present. But, the more he wins, the more the crowd hates him & remind him of his father. They shout Rocky, Rocky, Rocky & it drives him to more egregious behavior. To further taunt him, the crown begins to yell: Cocky, Cocky, Cocky & he embraces his new character & name. Introducing: COCKY BALBOA. Of course, as he turns pro & runs off a string of impressive victories,,he's noticed & approached by an unscrupulous manager. IVAN DRAGO. A bitter man, still angry that his country turned their back on him, his loss to Rocky, his now estranged son's loss to Creed & his wife's departure. Drago instills in Cocky's mind, that Cocky is a better fighter than Rocky, better than Apollo & Adonis Creed & even better than Drago's own son. Even better than Drago himself. The 2 "villains" embrace each other as Fighter & manager & the pursuit for the title begins. To prove his loyalty, Drago arranges a fight with his son & Cocky demolishes him with an 11th round TKO, topping Creed's performance. He now has the world's attention & Drago arranges a fight with Pretty Ricky Conlan, who was released early from prison. While maintaining himself in top fighting condition & is hungry to reclaim the title.. Cocky defeats Pretty Ricky with a 10th round knockout. Rocky & Creed watch in disbelief, as Cocky continues to rain disrespect towards his own father & now Creed. Rocky's torn & so is Creed. Cocky publicly shames his father & blames him for his mother's death & calls him a terrible father & boxer. That he would have beat the hell out of him, in his prime. He goes on ESPN & challenges Creed. But, Creed & Rocky in collaboration, decline. Finally, Drago in an interview directed to Creed says: I broke & killed your father. Now, Cocky & I will break you. If you die, you die. Creed is incensed, but, Rocky, becomes the voice of reason & begs Creed not to fall into their trap & that he loves his son. That, he's just confused & young now. Even Adonis's daughter pleads with Creed, please don't fight him dad. You told me that he is my family, just like Rocky. He's my Uncle Robert. Creed relents. Cocky is now ranked #4 in the world, so Creed doesn't have to fight him now. But, in Cocky's youthful ignorance & Drago's raging influence. Both of their goals is to exact revenge on Rocky & Creed. Cocky & Drago film a despicable challenge at Apollo Creed & Adrienne's gravesites. Challenging Rocky's manhood & Apollo's legacy. Which incenses Rocky & Creed. Challenge accepted, date set in Philly. Both camps begin the most grueling training regimens ever attempted in boxing. Rocky still repeatedly tries to talk his son out of the match & is rebuffed. Let's get ready to rumbleeeeeeeee. Ding, Ding, Ding. Tonight, the most epic, bloody, vicious, relentless, fast paced fight in human history will take place. Rocky in 1 corner, Drago in the other. Toe to toe, back & forth, with Creed losing the early rounds. Until Rocky pulls out pictures of Apollo & Adrienne & whispers, magical, motivating words to Creed. This fight goes 12 rounds, with a more battered Cocky, almost lifeless in his corner, waiting on the decision, he knows now tilt towards Creed. Adonis's daughter, walks up to Cocky & says, Uncle Robert, I love you & I would never call you Cocky like the others. You shouldn't fight family & she gives him a hug. This one act breaks the grip of Cocky's anger & Drago's control over him & Cocky breaks down in the ring crying. He realizes that he loves his dad, in front of the whole world & is humbled. Creed & Rocky go to Cocky's corner & Drago says, your former son is better than you. Suddenly, Cocky knocked Drago out onto the ring announcer's table & said: I'm not his former son. I'm the son of Rocky Balboa & Creed fairly won this fight. He then hugged Adonis's daughter & then Rocky, while crying & apologizing. The decision was read & still the Heavyweight Champion of the World: Adonis Creed. The crowd was chanting Creed, then Rocky, followed by Cocky. Rocky took the mic & said: My son, is no longer Cocky Balboa. He's the son of Rocky & Adrienne Balboa & I love him & I think now, you can too & the way he fought tonight. He is your new Rocky Balboa.The crowd went wild with emotion & now started chanting Rocky Creed, Rocky Creed, Rocky Creed & they all walked out together, Happiness, no longer an illusion.........
Son of clubbers lane if you remember in rocky 3 clubber got in creeds face they never fought I'd also like to see a rock creed prequel before Apolo became champion they can mix the movie up to where at the end its up to date some how but put time dates in it I'd like to see a prequel to breakfast club but no actors could pull that off sorry :*(
They’ll both kill each other then Dame and Viktor’s sons they didn’t know about by other women end up fighting each other in the next installment titled If he dies he dies a spin spin off huh nice right
@@johnfury316 Jonathan Majors did such a good job playing as Diamond Dame Anderson too. I would like the character to come back, but don't know who could play as him.
We were definitely robbed from seeing more Drago in Creed II. His opening backstory and character set the tone for the whole movie, and it would've been great to see more of that.
I feel like we will get a Rocky Return before a Dame v Drago. Because of Majors incidents but I seriously hope I’m wrong. I want to see both happen! Also I want to see Adonis Siblings make an appearance somehow too
Great video, Would love to see Drago vs Dame and it makes me wonder who's side would Adonis choose if the two would fight, maybe he wouldn't want to choose since he has respect for both fighters.
If they go with his daughter next, could be cool to see Dame train his daughter to fight a little dirtier. Kinda do like a Goku and Vegeta training a female gohan.
Here’s how I would write it. First of all here’s some context to the story I’m telling. Adonis vacates the title after being Dame. Dame wins the vacant lineal Heavyweight Championship. The movie would begin with Dame defending the lineal Heavyweight Championship against Viktor Drago with Ivan working his corner. Drago wins by knockout. Then we have a new fighter, promoted by Buddy Marcelle, that’s like Clubber and Drago were. Irredeemable. He tries to challenge Adonis, even going as far as to insult Adonis’ family like Clubber did. Adonis wants to take the fight but Viktor, who is now being promoted by Adonis, insists on taking the fight on Adonis’ behalf just like Apollo did with Rocky. In the fight, Viktor is Brady injured and can never fight again. Meanwhile, Ivan Drago is developing heart problems from all the steroids he took in Rocky 4. Ivan dies of a heart attack. On his deathbed, Ivan finally apologizes to Adonis for killing Apollo.
It was clear that 15-20 minutes was cut as Creed 3 was by far the shortest Creed film out of the 3. There's only one aspect of the Creed Franchise that is missing for me & that is the whereabouts of Apollos other 2 children he had with Mary-Anne from Rocky 2. He had a son & daughter. There was a scene in which Mary-Anne watches the news of Adonis being revealed as Apollos son & the news adds to it by refering to him as "Apollos Youngest Child". There were scenes from the tralier that arent even in the film. To me, one of the most misopportunities from Creed III was not adding Apollo's other children/Adonis's half-siblings for the emotional family drama. Thandiwe & Terrance Howard were my personal choice to cast as Apollo's other children. To me Terrance facial looks gives me the vibe of a younger Carl Weathers in my eyes. I can see him being close to his sister but his brother (the eldest) could be something different. I think they could do a subplot in a similar fashion to Rocky Balboa in which Adonis has a strained relationship with his brother on a sibling level compared to Rocky & his Son Robert. Adonis Older Brother could have a similar dilemma to both Adonis & Robert when it comes to being the son of a champion & the possible neglect. The eldest son probably felt neglected by Apollo considering Apollos pride & ego throughout Rocky 2, added with Apollos Affar with Adonises mother & his death by Drago, ther could be alot of tension. Maybe it's more than that. We don't know is Apollos oldest son is even in ti boxing or is just like Rockys kid & living a life in business. Maybe he resents Adonis because he will always remind him of years of neglect, his affair, & his death. The fact that Adonis is a product of an affair & was conceived after Apollo died could be why he resents him. Hell always remind him of a failed childhood of being the son & in the shadow of a champ. It hits much deeper than how Robert was with Rocky in the 6th film. It's like whenever he looks at Adonis, he sees Apollos death & being a father that was never always there for him & his lil sister. Apollo was a great character & a great man but based on what we saw in Rocky 2 & 4 (since he had a midlife crises that influenced his affair), he could've been a flawed father. Hell, had this been included in Creed 3, this could coincide with Adonis's relationship with his former symbolic brother with Damien & potential brotherhood with Viktor. When Mary-Anne adopted Adonis, she hinted that she pushed family away after Apollo's death, added when Adonis's identity was told to the public, the news titled him as "Apollo's youngest child", & this film where Adonis confronts Mary-Anne over the letters. This film does actually mention them during that scene. The other siblings have been made unimportant to Adonis’ story. Damian was described to be all Adonis had growing up within The Group-Home. He was his real family. Hope they change that in the future. Plus, the siblings were HER & Apollo's actual children & the fact they didnt appear at the funeral made this feel hollow a bit.
I feel you on that Bro! Additionally, i’m not too sure if they had scenes for this or not. But so much opportunity was missed in regards to the Dames backstory. We could’ve seen him in prison watching Adonis fight I just feel as if they just rushed a whole lot. You don’t even know who train dame in the movie it was just a couple of random side characters
I feel like for whatever reason they wanted to focus more on Adonis' life with these films. However, I think the conflict would've still added a unique dynamic, especially because of the events of Creed I and Adonis proving he's not a mistake. At least Creed III finally mentioned Apollo's other children, but we've definitely needed more than that.
I like to see one more fight with Adonis and that fight should be with the oldest son of Apollo and Mary Ann with no name. Granted this would be an issue given age and how unrealistic that would be. But let’s say Apollo’s unnamed oldest son is a boxing prodigy and has a style that appears to combined his father and Clubber Lang. The reason for them fighting would be the because of the death of Mary Ann and the anger he feels towards their father for his infidelity to their mother and how much it made her suffer. But since dad is dead Adonis is the living representation of their fathers mistake. Thus he decides to take his anger out on Adonis. Adonis likewise has a personal matter to settle him and his sister as well. In Creed 3 Adonis mentions that Mary Ann’s kids weren’t the nicest to them and didn’t treat him like family. That hurt him dearly so the feelings of resentment is mutual. The reason for all of this is Apollo. I would name Apollo’s oldest son Antron Creed a married man with 2 kids of his own. He prides himself on being a better husband and father than his own father. In the Amara story his son with be like a side character who is also a boxer training under Creed athletics.😊😊😊
I'd have LOVED to see Dame fight Drago, that would have been a fight for the ages.. Sadly after everything that's been going on with Jonathan Majors, it's unlikely that he'll return for Creed 4 :/
Let Rocky die. Not literally, just metaphorically. For two movies in a row, Creed was in Rocky's shadow but Creed 3 showed a new Adonis and basically him breaking out of his shell, away from Rocky's help. Rocky's character ended beautifully at the end of Creed 2 so maybe a little teaser/ post credits scene of him watching one of Creed's fight with Robert could be a nice touch to fully end Rocky's tale.
I agree. Let Rocky enjoy his family. Rocky already gave Adonis the support he needed. And so did Apollo's widow Mary Anne. Going forward, I want to see more of Adonis' growth.
It'll be really cool if Adonis will pass the torch in the 4th movie to someone else and continue to teach others about boxing. I like the Creed series, and I don't want another "Rocky V" happening to it.
I think the time line is that is creed is set in 2015 creed 2 2018 creed 3 2025 In 2002 creed was 15 2015 he was 28 the hes 30 in creed 2 37 in creed 3
I am sure a lot of fans from Viktor Drago will get disappointed if he make him a literal killer in creed 4 just like his dad i/ ivan drago in rocky IV movies
Everything was said was right especially I like the fact about the chosen and Johnny lunch from Cobra Kai because I am a great fan of that show and I just hope there's a spin-off of the future for Rocky's grandchild I perfectly see that for a spin-off. Like Cobra Kai like a show like that the credit union Rocky's 3rd generation.
I believe in Creed 4 we should see Robert Balboa rise up and step into the ring now is his time to shine and also I really want to see Apollo Creed's grand daughter Amara fall in love with Rocky balboa's grandson Logan and bring both the legendary boxing families together.
When Apollo fought Ivan Drago, it was said that he'd been out of the Ring for 5 Years; therefore I've always envisaged that Rocky IV was set towards the end of1981, with Rocky V set at the end of 1981 into 1982. For me, Rocky Balboa was the only installment set in the present. As for Creed 4, would love to see Sly return as Rocky, together with Clubber Lang (with the Lang of Today, a totally different Character to that in Rocky 3, with his Life having totally changed since then)
At this point I think a series would be more feasible for the Creed/Rocky universe. Not against the stand-alone film idea, but I think a series could do so much more.
The writers should flesh out the Creed family dynamic with Adonis more in Creed IV.🙂 I would portray Apollo's untimely death as sending the Creed family into a tailspin. If I could cast Apollo's two older children with Mary Anne, I would choose veteran actor Darrin DeWitt Henson and veteran actress Keshia Knight Pulliam. Also, I would make their character names less flashy like Aaron for their son and Asia for their daughter due to Mary Anne's subdued persona. The older son would resent Adonis closeness to their mom and irritated that he inherited their legendary father's boxing talent. The older son would be an successful but brash business mogul and family man due to their mom's influence and his bad memories of their dad's injuries and absence. The daughter would be equally strong-willed and professionally-accomplished but divorced due to doubting other's true motives. She would feel caught between her two brothers.
Rocky training new blood. Drago coming back to fight Diamond Dame. Bring back Clubber Lang to some capacity. Maybe his offspring will challenge Rocky’s new apprentice. Something goes wrong, thrusting Creed into the ring one last time. Diamond dame loses to drago, and has beef with a old loan shark, that pits him in a crazy situation.
We've done enough with Rocky himself: we can do the same with him at this point--let that man rest--that we've done with Apollo to keep his spirit alive (pictures on the wall or mantle or piano, his trademark remarks and humor, etc.).
I read the statement from sly that it was his regret and mistake to kill the character of Apollo Creed in rocky IV movie sly said he should make apollo Creed would have been paralyzed in the movie and would not be able to play boxing anymore from match with Ivan Drago
What i would like to see, since it’s really not been touched on, is a deeper dive into the rest of the Creed family. Apollo had two other kids, Creed III seemed to imply that Adonis has never had a good relationship with them, as far as we know they may have not even been at Mary Anne’s funeral. While they’d be to old at this point, one of them could easily have a son in their early twenties, who maybe is hell bent on taking the title from his uncle whom the rest of the family doesn’t even see as a true Creed, and maybe with Mary Anne gone they’re ready to go public with that fact.
Interesting idea.😎 Basically, Adonis should be considered a legitimate Creed at this point. If the writers were going to dramatize it, I think Creed III should've been the movie. Some possible storyline ideas are as follows: Adonis' half-brother could've bankrolled envious Dame's boxing comeback or been seen talking greasy about Adonis. Then, the writers could've had their mom Mary Anne overhear the gripe and try to intervene. Also, she could've vented to Rocky her frustration over the situation. Some well-placed flashbacks could've explained Adonis' strained relationship with at least one of his half-siblings. Or later on, Adonis could've had an argument with a family member regarding Mary Anne's declining health or funeral arrangements. Rocky should've made a brief appearance at her funeral. Imagine Apollo's other children acknowledging their dad's longtime friend while still quietly resentful of their younger half-brother Adonis. Either way, it would've added some layers to Adonis' family backstory.
@@ellisisland1374 it’s not a little late. It could be established that Mary Anne was the only person keeping the peace in the family and with her gone that’s now no longer the case. Also if a potential nephew is only in their late teens or early twenties and are only now old enough to make a push for the title then it would make sense for this to only be coming up now
@Mr.E723 Good points.🙂 A vengeful, entitled Creed nephew story angle could work. Especially if he was manipulated into hating on or plotting against his Uncle Adonis. Thanks for sharing.
If I could cast Apollo's older children with Mary Anne, I would choose veteran actor Darrin DeWitt Henson and veteran actress Keshia Knight Pulliam. Also, I would make their character names less flashy due to Mary Anne's subdue and classy persona. I would use names like Aaron for their son and Asia for their daughter.
It would be cool to see, though Rocky Jr./Robert is 10 years older so it'd be very unlikely. Kind of the same reason we won't ever see the Tommy Gunn vs Adonis fight - age gap is huge (then again that didn't stop Rocky from fighting Mason)
Both myself and my wife are forever fans of rocky ,1 concept i had in mind is that if clubber langs relation ,nephew ,bro ,cuz who knows came in with a plot to bring down the whole boxing world with the revelation that if clubber was around he could see him knock out and down the apollo creed legacy ,thats where rocky steps in like ,oh no you don't! Coz despite rocky n creeds rocky start (excuse the pun) them two were ending up like bros an no one was gonna bring up the past were these two fighters have been ,not a two bit has been like lang or any of his brothers that wanna turn the tables ,clubber lang was a formidable opponent and like micky put it ,he ain't no boxer he's a killing machine he doint fight fair
I think the only reason we don’t see creeds siblings cause in rocky 2, Apollo mentions his 2 kids were in school (young children) and Adonis was born after Apollo died. Meaning his siblings would be much older than him. Probably older than dame
There's a problem with that fact too. Due to there not being a proper timeline in the original Rocky films (outside of Rocky Balboa clearly taking place 30 years after Rocky I), as I talked about in my video. I say this because we see Apollo's children in Rocky II, and they are seen again in the director's cut of Rocky IV, though not much older. If Rocky IV does take place in 1985, they should be at least teenagers, yet they seem only older by 2 - 3 years when in reality 9 years have passed. I get Creed I and II were more focused on the foundation of Adonis' story and his relationship with Rocky but there definitely should have addressed Adonis' relationship with Apollo's children. I'm glad they at least mentioned that in Creed III
Yeah because I think that Rocky story was satisfying after Creed 2 reunion with his son and seeing his grandson for the first time because now I hear that they’re making a Rocky 7 like why because what’s the point because he is really too old for this and just make the sixth film meaningless Yeah I expected that Adonis will train his Daughter to become like him. Well they should try a new character like Dave Bautista or how about Clubber Lang’s son that was planned but rejected? It would be interesting to see Ricky Conlan interact with Dame and Victor Drago like I would almost compare those 3 to the villains from the Kung Fu Panda movies which I highly recommend because Dreamworks animated movies are underrated geniuses that never get credit for and most of all I am really curious about Ricky Conlan and what characters he Parallels with? Also remember I told you about FanScription on the Rocky movies where What if Apollo Creed didn’t die and what if Adonis Creed was in Rocky 5 to see the results.
I've written a treatment for my version of Creed IV I just don't know how to pitch it, but it addresses all of these concerns except for the timeline issues
What I think should be Creed 4 is that Creed participates directly or indirectly at the Olympics. Dame said that in Creed 3 that he wanted to fight in the Olympics before going pro. Maybe he and Creed fight together or Creed is in Dame’s corner with Tony. Maybe have Chavez represent Mexico and Viktor Ukraine etc with fighters from around the world. Have a fighter like Ivan from China or North Korea beat Chavez , Viktor seriously hurting them and maybe kill Dame resulting in Adonis taking matters into his own hands in vengeance for his friends and beating this rival. Also would be interesting to to link this up with Amara who would have a front row seat to learn from the best and how this results in a greater conflict again between Adonis and Bianca over Amara’s future as she transitions into adolescence. Now obviously this sounds a lot like Rocky 4 and Cars 2 but I think it has potential but then again time will tell.
@@grudgematch6653 Have to remember Sporino was 17 and O prior to fighting Creed and Chavez was 15 and 1 prior to Dame, Sporino could've improved his skills throughout the years
I honestly would like to see what Clubber Lang has been up to all of these years. I know him and Apollo had history of bad blood. More like competitive beef. I want to know how Apollo’s death affected him. Or if it did at all.
May be 3rd Ricky in creed 4 like the thriller in manla to settle score. Also creed 5 lang nephew beat with different sir he sister child beat drago for world title. Then he face creed?
If they can do this…they gotta do it right. And make him conflicted to whose side he leans. He shouldn’t fight in this movie at all either. His time should officially be over
Naw mr t comes back and trains his protege Jason statem and creed gets his ass kicked by transporter, and then Rocky comes back and fights dragos son and kills him then Rocky fights dame and kills him and then tells creed jr he’s a little girl and walks away dancing.
I agree. It could work if the writers waited until Creed V to make it happen. Amara could be inspired by a Laila Ali type female boxer as well as her dad Adonis.
Great vid! No matter how you slice it CIII was Rocky V (Friend turns on friend (Different circumstances) and they fight. Disappointed with Chavez casting wayyyyy to small to play heavyweight! 8:58 Should’ve gotten Canelo’s buddy Andy Ruiz a real heavyweight & champion! Today’s heavyweight are big men! Yeah timeline is fault of not watching the other Creeds… I think bringing back Clubber as trainer for his protege would be good bc Clubber & Apollo had beef.🥊🥊🐴🇮🇹
Creed III could’ve been so much better. So much potential. Think they should’ve had Adonis lose to Damien. And he acknowledges that he was better and was destined to be world champ. Plus by losing would’ve made Adonis more likable & humble. Also Dame locked up 18 yrs beats Chavez in first pro fight then gets “that much better” & goes 12 w/Adonis in only his 2nd fight… Should’ve had Dame with at least a few pro fights making him more believable as a pro.
The consensus from most is that Dame didn't win the Title from Felix BECAUSE OF the dirty tactics: he was just taking out insurance. Donnie's punches were more something that would make Dame have to figure his life out than Felix's punches. Now that he had the EXPERIENCE of winning against TWO world-class fighters (one of whom beat the biggest monster any of them would likely have to face in Viktor) Dame would be absolutely phenomenal if he upgraded his fundamentals, diversified his great command of distance (which he could more than accomplish training under a master of angles like PACMAN) and I need him to get used to taking more WORLD-CLASS PUNISHMENT sparring with very PATIENT fighters like Wheeler and Crawford or Spence and fix his uppercut and perfect his horizontal defense by bringing it closer to his face and sealing it better with the two arms as he keeps his mind on the punching RHYTHM of his opponent (this is how Adonis was able to cancel that particular defense with him)--less of an opportunity for an opening. Unlike a few I've seen commenting on other videos, I personally don't need Dame to fight Drago or even Felix, I want nothing but bro-love between Dame and the Creed Athletics family and Donnie's personal family from now forward--especially since he could benefit from a support network to prevent any chance of recidivism.
Actually, the film makes it pretty clear that Dame needed those tactics to even the odds, and even Adonis in the fight with Dame calls him out on it. However, I still think Dame is a good fighter on his own - he's a more dangerous Clubber in the sense that he has way better conditioning than Clubber did, and he essentially never stopped training since he was a teenager.
@@StryfetheWarrior I don’t see how Felix could have beat Viktor. Not sure how the film makes it clear that he NEEDED those tactics as much as it was showing him taking out insurance (like with the Drago hand thing) because he couldn’t depend on Donnie to do him that one solid and seeing how he seemed ashamed to claim him in a way (which I actually think Bianca and Marianne have the most to do with that). Dame did not invent those tactics (which ended up making him predictable): he is not the first, only or last to use them, nor do I think it was necessarily a statement about who he is as a person but rather who he had to be for the task at hand, which was (at least in his mind) equivalent to survival-like it was for him and Donnie as young Black men trying to grow up navigating a yt-male-sprmcst society, the boxing ring being a metaphor for that more than anything else. I think the most equitable way to talk about the “dirty tactics” is as a dark twist on all the positive pushes and charitable help Donnie got from a community of people-including that neck shit they did in the corner when he was about to lose to Conlan: Donnie needed those hand-ups more than Dame NEEDED the dirty tactics. I believe Dame’s hunger and determination to make up for lost time were enough and he probably had the confidence to believe that too but he wasn’t going to miss his ONE SHOT in a room (felt like a world) that sees him as nothing but a bum…..just like Rocky. If he lost to Donnie without the dirty tactics, I think it would have been more because of his anger blinding him and causing him to overcorrect and causing him to fail to see what Donnie saw, which is in what ways he is predictable….and that is actually how Donnie ended up beating him, with 48 seconds to spare. On another note, I thought it was very interesting how Donnie returned his same energy through much of the rounds, particularly with that overhand he landed once he started rocking with Dame side-to-side-never saw Donnie do overhand before. The next thing I want is for Dame to have the same kind of support from which Donnie benefitted (even though it was a bit tainted by Marianne’s manipulation). Also, I personally don’t like the way Bianca talks to Donnie sometimes.
creed 4 should be Dames redemption arc and creed mentoring dame and it takes place 5 years later and creed just retires his championship status or the obvious answer: Rocky should fight his son in a ring of fire to the death
I’d like to see Adonis vs a Clubber Lang type character (up and comer with a similar personality). & Dame/Drago help train Adonis Oh and OF COURSE the return of Rocky in some way
I think Dame was meant to be a Clubber/Tommy hybrid, so I'm ok with them having explored that in Creed III. I know people also want to see Creed vs Lang (Clubber's son if he had one), but they would have to be careful with that because it'd be a rehash of Creed II
@@StryfetheWarrior agreed. They need a new kind of character. Maybe a Floyd mayweather/McGreggor hybrid? Once in a lifetime talent with the personality to back it. He could have a crazy undefeated career but decides to go up or down a weight class to fight Adonis as an attempt to be named the greatest of all time
Here me out adonis vs felix creed is champion and felix progressively more angry seeing his mentor hold the title he used to hold and evetually demands a title shot they have a rivalry and in a press conference get some very personal insults before creed retains his title
Damian is born 1984, viktor is born 1990. 6 year youth difference while viktor has pro match experience (3-0-2) and dame has no pro match experience and been stuck in the hole for 18 years (1-0-1). Drago beat creed, dame did not. Drago Has legendary trainer Ivan drago who cares for him greatly and likely taught him everything he knows. It’s really no question.
It wasn't "official", yet, as Stallone had a problem with the Winklers not running it by him first, and he was also mad at Dolph not talking to him about it first. Sly is not so mad anymore, so it could happen
If they used it to focus on other characters with Adonis in more of a trainer role (kinda like Rocky in Rocky V) and if they executed it right, they could work
Adonis does not need to nor do I think he would be interested to fight Felix in order to pass the title to him: he would simply vacate for him; especially since we know Donnie's susceptibility to guilt about his part in messing Felix's future plans to defend and expand his title after winning against Viktor. Also Felix was not a credible unified champion to me since the original plan was for him to win against Drago next--shit he couldn't even fade Dame!!
I agree. Adonis could just vacate the belt since he's already retired. Going forward, he should be a boxing promoter and mentor. Bring in some new talent.
I really don’t want a anima. And it seems a lot of the fan base are saying that. I feel personally their can only be 1 more creed film. His story is almost finished. I think a good way to end creed would be a flip reverse of the original Rocky. We’re Creed has no longer champion and wants to give a young fighter calling him out. Creed winning a close decision. And I think the Drago spin off could be the start of a trilogy. Bringing Rocky back in 1 of these movies he could be training a amateur fighter who’s the next main boxer of the series. Maybe a Rocky nephew or distant relative.
I think a Creed anime could be done right. Adonis giving an unknown a shot COULD work though people would complain that's already a rehash of Creed III/Rocky I
Creed 4 maybe not. I think this would be drago movie. Creed novie is about creed lineage. (Speaking on drago vs dame) I wanna see the grown up daughter deciding to go into boxing
I'm not sure if there'd be more to their story. I feel like Rocky and Adonis would not fight Leo again because it was his dad that leaked Adonis' last name to the press
5:55 Also Amara could take inspiration from Halle Berry's character in Bruised and Christy Martin (there could be an LGBT thread to redeem some of the problems of those persons as well as women getting fair pay and maybe she doesn't want a HUSBAND--any number of those things).
Was Halle Berry's character really a lesbian or just starved for a meaningful connection? After all, her character's bad childhood with her emotionally-abusive mom, being attacked by one of her mom's guys and later her abusive/exploiting ex-boyfriend were toxic. She didn't seem to have any healthy relationship experience.
I enjoyed Creed III.🙂 I liked the idea of Adonis battling self-doubt and overcoming his guilt regarding his old friend/big brother Dame's misfortune. Going through the loss of his stepmom. In the end, Adonis became stronger and more introspective.
STOP PLAYING!! What SHOULD happen is Carl Weathers still alive , (his ghost), Mr. T, still alive, Dolph Lundgren, still alive, all find a way in a movie with Adonis Creed. Get a good script, and merge a fractured franchise, since Stallone is currently out
A fourth Creed would be tricky, though not impossible. Donnie is retired now, so it would have to be something very big to push him back in the ring. I'm not sure what purpose a Damien/Drago fight would serve. The franchise is about Donnie, not either of them, and he's settled his beef with both of them. I think it would have to be a new opponent, and it should be an entirely new one, like Damien, rather than connecting them to a previous installment in the franchise, which Creed II already did. I'd love for Duke to have a bit more to do in this film. He and his father before him have been a mainstay in the franchise. There's al;ways been one of them in the corner of both Rocky and the Creed family. Finally, I'd really like to see Rocky return one last time. I actually wouldn't mind if this was truly Sly's last appearance as Rocky. Say, his cancer has come back and this time it's too far gone to fight. Donnie 'Unc" could impart some final wisdom to his protege before moving on to that ring in the sky.
It was Dame's fault that Drago got injured in the first place. It could work if they worked it like Rocky V where Rocky was more on the sidelines and a trainer. I mean sure, they could do a new opponent but how would that opponent look? The Rocky/Creed franchise has touched on several types of opponents out there.
Creed 3 was stupid. Should’ve ended with a better fight and a cliffhanger. A tie mirroring Rocky and Apollo would be cool. Then finishing the fight in Creed 4 would have been better. Especially, since Donny was already injured bad from previous fights.
What would you like to see happen in Creed IV?
I think Adonis learning about Tommy Gunn or Damian fighting Victor. Another thing that would be cool is to see Mason Dixon.
I want to see Sporino return for a rematch and have Adonis fight Apollo's legitimate kid from Rocky 2 and Rocky 4 (deleted scene) it would make sense if he had shown up after Mary Anne died since she has stated that she pushed her family away since Creed 1
I want the fight choreography to revert back to how they did the first Creed vs Conlan fight in Creed 1. I do not like the cartoonish, overexaggerated punching of Creed 2 and 3's fight choreography.
There won't be a Creed IV until after this new movie. But, don't be disappointed, Rocky & Creed become more alive, than ever before. A new superstar emerges & his name is Cocky Balboa. Laugh at his name now, but, you won't later. In this latest series, Rocky's estranged son Robert, bursts into the boxing world, after years of brooding over his father's inattention to him & his obscurity. His anger leads him to street confrontations & reminders, that he isn't his father. Propelling him to quietly begin mercilessly training, to prove to the world & most of all, his father, that not only is he as great as his father, but greater. But, his present state of mind & character deficit, falls far short of Rocky's. He becomes a crass, vulgar, taunting man, even denigrating his father's legacy & him personally, as a man & as a father. He begins to accept & win amateur fights & realizes, that his unrefined Rocky genes are present. But, the more he wins, the more the crowd hates him & remind him of his father. They shout Rocky, Rocky, Rocky & it drives him to more egregious behavior. To further taunt him, the crown begins to yell: Cocky, Cocky, Cocky & he embraces his new character & name. Introducing: COCKY BALBOA. Of course, as he turns pro & runs off a string of impressive victories,,he's noticed & approached by an unscrupulous manager. IVAN DRAGO. A bitter man, still angry that his country turned their back on him, his loss to Rocky, his now estranged son's loss to Creed & his wife's departure. Drago instills in Cocky's mind, that Cocky is a better fighter than Rocky, better than Apollo & Adonis Creed & even better than Drago's own son. Even better than Drago himself. The 2 "villains" embrace each other as Fighter & manager & the pursuit for the title begins. To prove his loyalty, Drago arranges a fight with his son & Cocky demolishes him with an 11th round TKO, topping Creed's performance. He now has the world's attention & Drago arranges a fight with Pretty Ricky Conlan, who was released early from prison. While maintaining himself in top fighting condition & is hungry to reclaim the title.. Cocky defeats Pretty Ricky with a 10th round knockout. Rocky & Creed watch in disbelief, as Cocky continues to rain disrespect towards his own father & now Creed. Rocky's torn & so is Creed. Cocky publicly shames his father & blames him for his mother's death & calls him a terrible father & boxer. That he would have beat the hell out of him, in his prime. He goes on ESPN & challenges Creed. But, Creed & Rocky in collaboration, decline. Finally, Drago in an interview directed to Creed says: I broke & killed your father. Now, Cocky & I will break you. If you die, you die. Creed is incensed, but, Rocky, becomes the voice of reason & begs Creed not to fall into their trap & that he loves his son. That, he's just confused & young now. Even Adonis's daughter pleads with Creed, please don't fight him dad. You told me that he is my family, just like Rocky. He's my Uncle Robert. Creed relents. Cocky is now ranked #4 in the world, so Creed doesn't have to fight him now. But, in Cocky's youthful ignorance & Drago's raging influence. Both of their goals is to exact revenge on Rocky & Creed. Cocky & Drago film a despicable challenge at Apollo Creed & Adrienne's gravesites. Challenging Rocky's manhood & Apollo's legacy. Which incenses Rocky & Creed. Challenge accepted, date set in Philly. Both camps begin the most grueling training regimens ever attempted in boxing. Rocky still repeatedly tries to talk his son out of the match & is rebuffed. Let's get ready to rumbleeeeeeeee. Ding, Ding, Ding. Tonight, the most epic, bloody, vicious, relentless, fast paced fight in human history will take place. Rocky in 1 corner, Drago in the other. Toe to toe, back & forth, with Creed losing the early rounds. Until Rocky pulls out pictures of Apollo & Adrienne & whispers, magical, motivating words to Creed. This fight goes 12 rounds, with a more battered Cocky, almost lifeless in his corner, waiting on the decision, he knows now tilt towards Creed. Adonis's daughter, walks up to Cocky & says, Uncle Robert, I love you & I would never call you Cocky like the others. You shouldn't fight family & she gives him a hug. This one act breaks the grip of Cocky's anger & Drago's control over him & Cocky breaks down in the ring crying. He realizes that he loves his dad, in front of the whole world & is humbled. Creed & Rocky go to Cocky's corner & Drago says, your former son is better than you. Suddenly, Cocky knocked Drago out onto the ring announcer's table & said: I'm not his former son. I'm the son of Rocky Balboa & Creed fairly won this fight. He then hugged Adonis's daughter & then Rocky, while crying & apologizing. The decision was read & still the Heavyweight Champion of the World: Adonis Creed. The crowd was chanting Creed, then Rocky, followed by Cocky. Rocky took the mic & said: My son, is no longer Cocky Balboa. He's the son of Rocky & Adrienne Balboa & I love him & I think now, you can too & the way he fought tonight. He is your new Rocky Balboa.The crowd went wild with emotion & now started chanting Rocky Creed, Rocky Creed, Rocky Creed & they all walked out together, Happiness, no longer an illusion.........
Son of clubbers lane if you remember in rocky 3 clubber got in creeds face they never fought I'd also like to see a rock creed prequel before Apolo became champion they can mix the movie up to where at the end its up to date some how but put time dates in it
I'd like to see a prequel to breakfast club but no actors could pull that off sorry :*(
Drago Vs Dame and Rocky’s return are all I need for Creed IV
Both good reasons to watch
They’ll both kill each other then Dame and Viktor’s sons they didn’t know about by other women end up fighting each other in the next installment titled If he dies he dies a spin spin off huh nice right
I don’t see Dame being in any movies unless they recast the role considering Jonathan Majors legal issues.
Bro he’s not coming back and he doesn’t need to
@@johnfury316 Jonathan Majors did such a good job playing as Diamond Dame Anderson too. I would like the character to come back, but don't know who could play as him.
I’d love to see drago vs dame
i vote Drago winning
I think it would also be interesting to see Ricky Conlan interacting with Dame and Victor
same
@@srstriker6420 I definitely want to see conlan v drago
Agreed
We were definitely robbed from seeing more Drago in Creed II. His opening backstory and character set the tone for the whole movie, and it would've been great to see more of that.
Here's hoping the Drago spin-off comes to fruition
If not Drago versus Anderson, we should at least get to see Viktor have a chance at payback against the man that actually broke his arm and hand.
Agreed
I feel like we will get a Rocky Return before a Dame v Drago. Because of Majors incidents but I seriously hope I’m wrong. I want to see both happen! Also I want to see Adonis Siblings make an appearance somehow too
Definitely
Great video, Would love to see Drago vs Dame and it makes me wonder who's side would Adonis choose if the two would fight, maybe he wouldn't want to choose since he has respect for both fighters.
Thank you! Yeah that would be an awesome match
If they go with his daughter next, could be cool to see Dame train his daughter to fight a little dirtier. Kinda do like a Goku and Vegeta training a female gohan.
Hm... I guess that depends on how Dame's arc plays out. I don't think he'd be doing that anymore after loss to Adonis
Here’s how I would write it. First of all here’s some context to the story I’m telling. Adonis vacates the title after being Dame. Dame wins the vacant lineal Heavyweight Championship.
The movie would begin with Dame defending the lineal Heavyweight Championship against Viktor Drago with Ivan working his corner. Drago wins by knockout. Then we have a new fighter, promoted by Buddy Marcelle, that’s like Clubber and Drago were. Irredeemable. He tries to challenge Adonis, even going as far as to insult Adonis’ family like Clubber did. Adonis wants to take the fight but Viktor, who is now being promoted by Adonis, insists on taking the fight on Adonis’ behalf just like Apollo did with Rocky. In the fight, Viktor is Brady injured and can never fight again. Meanwhile, Ivan Drago is developing heart problems from all the steroids he took in Rocky 4. Ivan dies of a heart attack. On his deathbed, Ivan finally apologizes to Adonis for killing Apollo.
Great storyline ideas!🙂👏 Let's hope the writers are seeing these public comments.
That’s actually pretty good😆
It was clear that 15-20 minutes was cut as Creed 3 was by far the shortest Creed film out of the 3. There's only one aspect of the Creed Franchise that is missing for me & that is the whereabouts of Apollos other 2 children he had with Mary-Anne from Rocky 2. He had a son & daughter. There was a scene in which Mary-Anne watches the news of Adonis being revealed as Apollos son & the news adds to it by refering to him as "Apollos Youngest Child". There were scenes from the tralier that arent even in the film. To me, one of the most misopportunities from Creed III was not adding Apollo's other children/Adonis's half-siblings for the emotional family drama. Thandiwe & Terrance Howard were my personal choice to cast as Apollo's other children. To me Terrance facial looks gives me the vibe of a younger Carl Weathers in my eyes. I can see him being close to his sister but his brother (the eldest) could be something different. I think they could do a subplot in a similar fashion to Rocky Balboa in which Adonis has a strained relationship with his brother on a sibling level compared to Rocky & his Son Robert. Adonis Older Brother could have a similar dilemma to both Adonis & Robert when it comes to being the son of a champion & the possible neglect. The eldest son probably felt neglected by Apollo considering Apollos pride & ego throughout Rocky 2, added with Apollos Affar with Adonises mother & his death by Drago, ther could be alot of tension.
Maybe it's more than that. We don't know is Apollos oldest son is even in ti boxing or is just like Rockys kid & living a life in business. Maybe he resents Adonis because he will always remind him of years of neglect, his affair, & his death. The fact that Adonis is a product of an affair & was conceived after Apollo died could be why he resents him. Hell always remind him of a failed childhood of being the son & in the shadow of a champ. It hits much deeper than how Robert was with Rocky in the 6th film. It's like whenever he looks at Adonis, he sees Apollos death & being a father that was never always there for him & his lil sister. Apollo was a great character & a great man but based on what we saw in Rocky 2 & 4 (since he had a midlife crises that influenced his affair), he could've been a flawed father. Hell, had this been included in Creed 3, this could coincide with Adonis's relationship with his former symbolic brother with Damien & potential brotherhood with Viktor. When Mary-Anne adopted Adonis, she hinted that she pushed family away after Apollo's death, added when Adonis's identity was told to the public, the news titled him as "Apollo's youngest child", & this film where Adonis confronts Mary-Anne over the letters. This film does actually mention them during that scene. The other siblings have been made unimportant to Adonis’ story. Damian was described to be all Adonis had growing up within The Group-Home. He was his real family. Hope they change that in the future. Plus, the siblings were HER & Apollo's actual children & the fact they didnt appear at the funeral made this feel hollow a bit.
Yeah because I recall in that trailer that Adonis is prison for some reason
I feel you on that Bro! Additionally, i’m not too sure if they had scenes for this or not. But so much opportunity was missed in regards to the Dames backstory. We could’ve seen him in prison watching Adonis fight I just feel as if they just rushed a whole lot. You don’t even know who train dame in the movie it was just a couple of random side characters
@@kingace9669 Considering that Adonis & Dame grew up in a Group-Home together, I wonder who adopted Dame.
Just because we didn't see Apollo's other children at Mary Anne's bedside and funeral doesn't mean they weren't there.
I feel like for whatever reason they wanted to focus more on Adonis' life with these films. However, I think the conflict would've still added a unique dynamic, especially because of the events of Creed I and Adonis proving he's not a mistake. At least Creed III finally mentioned Apollo's other children, but we've definitely needed more than that.
I like to see one more fight with Adonis and that fight should be with the oldest son of Apollo and Mary Ann with no name. Granted this would be an issue given age and how unrealistic that would be. But let’s say Apollo’s unnamed oldest son is a boxing prodigy and has a style that appears to combined his father and Clubber Lang. The reason for them fighting would be the because of the death of Mary Ann and the anger he feels towards their father for his infidelity to their mother and how much it made her suffer. But since dad is dead Adonis is the living representation of their fathers mistake. Thus he decides to take his anger out on Adonis. Adonis likewise has a personal matter to settle him and his sister as well. In Creed 3 Adonis mentions that Mary Ann’s kids weren’t the nicest to them and didn’t treat him like family. That hurt him dearly so the feelings of resentment is mutual. The reason for all of this is Apollo. I would name Apollo’s oldest son Antron Creed a married man with 2 kids of his own. He prides himself on being a better husband and father than his own father. In the Amara story his son with be like a side character who is also a boxer training under Creed athletics.😊😊😊
I think we definitely need to see some more interaction between Apollo's two kids and Adonis. I'm glad they at least mentioned it in Creed III
I'd have LOVED to see Dame fight Drago, that would have been a fight for the ages.. Sadly after everything that's been going on with Jonathan Majors, it's unlikely that he'll return for Creed 4 :/
Yeah, hard to say. It's a shame
When he is deemed innocent he will be able too
@@randycrawford1132I’m pretty sure recent reports had a massive amount of evidence proving his innocence. People be so quick to Johnny depp somebody.
i think if he gets proven innocent he will but guilty then bye bye dame
Let Rocky die. Not literally, just metaphorically. For two movies in a row, Creed was in Rocky's shadow but Creed 3 showed a new Adonis and basically him breaking out of his shell, away from Rocky's help. Rocky's character ended beautifully at the end of Creed 2 so maybe a little teaser/ post credits scene of him watching one of Creed's fight with Robert could be a nice touch to fully end Rocky's tale.
I think so too. At some point Adonis has to stand on his own
I agree. Let Rocky enjoy his family. Rocky already gave Adonis the support he needed. And so did Apollo's widow Mary Anne. Going forward, I want to see more of Adonis' growth.
It'll be really cool if Adonis will pass the torch in the 4th movie to someone else and continue to teach others about boxing. I like the Creed series, and I don't want another "Rocky V" happening to it.
Yeah, I'm hoping we'll see him more of his mentor capacity that we saw briefly in Creed III
Ya ur probably right he alredy came out of retirement for
creed IIV so how many more times will they do that same plot line
The only problem I have with creed 3 is that they forget little dukes last name, it’s Evers not burton so they need to fix that in creed iv
Burton was his mom's name & he uses that instead of Evers, BOOM there I fixed it, you’re welcome 🙏
100%
You can have Creed retire as champion and have Drago and Dame fight for the vacant title.
I'd be ok with this
Oh I taught I was the only one. Hell yeah! Make it happen. I would love to see more of Viktor Drago
Agreed
DRAGO vs DAME would be insane. Especially now that Majors’ case is in a good path, he’ll be back in no time.
Agreed
I hope drago and Luis Camino (the guy who injured him) fight
That'd be interesting
nice vid stryfe
Thank you!
I think the time line is that is creed is set in 2015 creed 2 2018 creed 3 2025
In 2002 creed was 15 2015 he was 28 the hes 30 in creed 2 37 in creed 3
That's what I'd like to think as well
I don’t think we need anymore creed movies instead, let’s make a Drago movie
It would be cool, though it really depends if they're actually going through with it. I'd be all for it
I definitely want to see Dame vs Drago but i also want Sporino vs Felix
IN CREED 3 . LIFE LESSON - YOU BEST FRIEND WILL BE YOUR BIGGEST ENEMY.
AND YOU BIGGEST ENEMY WILL BE YOUR STRONGEST ALLY. 😢😮😮😮
I am sure a lot of fans from Viktor Drago will get disappointed if he make him a literal killer in creed 4 just like his dad i/ ivan drago in rocky IV movies
I don't foresee that happening given his arc in Creed II - Creed III
They should make a spinoff about the drago legacy
I hope they go through with it
Everything was said was right especially I like the fact about the chosen and Johnny lunch from Cobra Kai because I am a great fan of that show and I just hope there's a spin-off of the future for Rocky's grandchild I perfectly see that for a spin-off. Like Cobra Kai like a show like that the credit union Rocky's 3rd generation.
Agreed
I believe in Creed 4 we should see Robert Balboa rise up and step into the ring now is his time to shine and also I really want to see Apollo Creed's grand daughter Amara fall in love with Rocky balboa's grandson Logan and bring both the legendary boxing families together.
I'm not sure if that would work, given in both Rocky Balboa and the first two Creed films that Robert wanted to do his own thing without boxing
Dame vs drago is gonna be a SLUGFEST
Here's hoping
When Apollo fought Ivan Drago, it was said that he'd been out of the Ring for 5 Years; therefore I've always envisaged that Rocky IV was set towards the end of1981, with Rocky V set at the end of 1981 into 1982. For me, Rocky Balboa was the only installment set in the present. As for Creed 4, would love to see Sly return as Rocky, together with Clubber Lang (with the Lang of Today, a totally different Character to that in Rocky 3, with his Life having totally changed since then)
As a big fan of Dolph Lundgren's Drago. They need their own lore 😭❤️❤️❤️
Agreed. Here's hoping that they can go through with it and Stallone OKs it, now that he's not mad at Dolph anymore
We need Drago as a standalone film
At this point I think a series would be more feasible for the Creed/Rocky universe. Not against the stand-alone film idea, but I think a series could do so much more.
I'd like to see a time jump in the future movies wherein Creed's daughter becomes a Pro Boxer. Very few female boxing movies.
I think that could be something we see too. If not, the comic just came out and I might cover that
The writers should flesh out the Creed family dynamic with Adonis more in Creed IV.🙂 I would portray Apollo's untimely death as sending the Creed family into a tailspin. If I could cast Apollo's two older children with Mary Anne, I would choose veteran actor Darrin DeWitt Henson and veteran actress Keshia Knight Pulliam. Also, I would make their character names less flashy like Aaron for their son and Asia for their daughter due to Mary Anne's subdued persona. The older son would resent Adonis closeness to their mom and irritated that he inherited their legendary father's boxing talent. The older son would be an successful but brash business mogul and family man due to their mom's influence and his bad memories of their dad's injuries and absence. The daughter would be equally strong-willed and professionally-accomplished but divorced due to doubting other's true motives. She would feel caught between her two brothers.
Rocky training new blood. Drago coming back to fight Diamond Dame. Bring back Clubber Lang to some capacity. Maybe his offspring will challenge Rocky’s new apprentice. Something goes wrong, thrusting Creed into the ring one last time. Diamond dame loses to drago, and has beef with a old loan shark, that pits him in a crazy situation.
We've done enough with Rocky himself: we can do the same with him at this point--let that man rest--that we've done with Apollo to keep his spirit alive (pictures on the wall or mantle or piano, his trademark remarks and humor, etc.).
Yep, Adonis will need to stand on his own eventually.
I read the statement from sly that it was his regret and mistake to kill the character of Apollo Creed in rocky IV movie sly said he should make apollo Creed would have been paralyzed in the movie and would not be able to play boxing anymore from match with Ivan Drago
Yep, I've talked about that before.
Thank u for talking about the timeline eras i was highly confused
Same. It's unfortunately a common occurrence throughout the franchise
Dame vs Drago!!!!
This fight should’ve happened in creed 3 #justsaying🤷🏾♂️
If only
What i would like to see, since it’s really not been touched on, is a deeper dive into the rest of the Creed family. Apollo had two other kids, Creed III seemed to imply that Adonis has never had a good relationship with them, as far as we know they may have not even been at Mary Anne’s funeral.
While they’d be to old at this point, one of them could easily have a son in their early twenties, who maybe is hell bent on taking the title from his uncle whom the rest of the family doesn’t even see as a true Creed, and maybe with Mary Anne gone they’re ready to go public with that fact.
Yeah I'm glad they finally addressed it in Creed III at least. It could work
Interesting idea.😎 Basically, Adonis should be considered a legitimate Creed at this point. If the writers were going to dramatize it, I think Creed III should've been the movie. Some possible storyline ideas are as follows: Adonis' half-brother could've bankrolled envious Dame's boxing comeback or been seen talking greasy about Adonis. Then, the writers could've had their mom Mary Anne overhear the gripe and try to intervene. Also, she could've vented to Rocky her frustration over the situation. Some well-placed flashbacks could've explained Adonis' strained relationship with at least one of his half-siblings. Or later on, Adonis could've had an argument with a family member regarding Mary Anne's declining health or funeral arrangements. Rocky should've made a brief appearance at her funeral. Imagine Apollo's other children acknowledging their dad's longtime friend while still quietly resentful of their younger half-brother Adonis. Either way, it would've added some layers to Adonis' family backstory.
@@ellisisland1374 it’s not a little late. It could be established that Mary Anne was the only person keeping the peace in the family and with her gone that’s now no longer the case.
Also if a potential nephew is only in their late teens or early twenties and are only now old enough to make a push for the title then it would make sense for this to only be coming up now
@Mr.E723 Good points.🙂 A vengeful, entitled Creed nephew story angle could work. Especially if he was manipulated into hating on or plotting against his Uncle Adonis. Thanks for sharing.
If I could cast Apollo's older children with Mary Anne, I would choose veteran actor Darrin DeWitt Henson and veteran actress Keshia Knight Pulliam. Also, I would make their character names less flashy due to Mary Anne's subdue and classy persona. I would use names like Aaron for their son and Asia for their daughter.
I'd love to see rockys son in film and see him fight creeds son
It would be cool to see, though Rocky Jr./Robert is 10 years older so it'd be very unlikely. Kind of the same reason we won't ever see the Tommy Gunn vs Adonis fight - age gap is huge (then again that didn't stop Rocky from fighting Mason)
Both myself and my wife are forever fans of rocky ,1 concept i had in mind is that if clubber langs relation ,nephew ,bro ,cuz who knows came in with a plot to bring down the whole boxing world with the revelation that if clubber was around he could see him knock out and down the apollo creed legacy ,thats where rocky steps in like ,oh no you don't! Coz despite rocky n creeds rocky start (excuse the pun) them two were ending up like bros an no one was gonna bring up the past were these two fighters have been ,not a two bit has been like lang or any of his brothers that wanna turn the tables ,clubber lang was a formidable opponent and like micky put it ,he ain't no boxer he's a killing machine he doint fight fair
I think Lang could come back in some capacity. I'm just glad they didn't do it for Creed III because otherwise it would be a re-hash of Creed II
I think the only reason we don’t see creeds siblings cause in rocky 2, Apollo mentions his 2 kids were in school (young children) and Adonis was born after Apollo died. Meaning his siblings would be much older than him. Probably older than dame
There's a problem with that fact too. Due to there not being a proper timeline in the original Rocky films (outside of Rocky Balboa clearly taking place 30 years after Rocky I), as I talked about in my video. I say this because we see Apollo's children in Rocky II, and they are seen again in the director's cut of Rocky IV, though not much older. If Rocky IV does take place in 1985, they should be at least teenagers, yet they seem only older by 2 - 3 years when in reality 9 years have passed.
I get Creed I and II were more focused on the foundation of Adonis' story and his relationship with Rocky but there definitely should have addressed Adonis' relationship with Apollo's children. I'm glad they at least mentioned that in Creed III
Yeah because I think that Rocky story was satisfying after Creed 2 reunion with his son and seeing his grandson for the first time because now I hear that they’re making a Rocky 7 like why because what’s the point because he is really too old for this and just make the sixth film meaningless
Yeah I expected that Adonis will train his Daughter to become like him.
Well they should try a new character like Dave Bautista or how about Clubber Lang’s son that was planned but rejected?
It would be interesting to see Ricky Conlan interact with Dame and Victor Drago like I would almost compare those 3 to the villains from the Kung Fu Panda movies which I highly recommend because Dreamworks animated movies are underrated geniuses that never get credit for and most of all I am really curious about Ricky Conlan and what characters he Parallels with?
Also remember I told you about FanScription on the Rocky movies where What if Apollo Creed didn’t die and what if Adonis Creed was in Rocky 5 to see the results.
Yeah, I think Conlan and Drago interacting would be interesting.
@@StryfetheWarrior and also Damien Anderson
You had me at “timeline retcon”….
I totally agreee with this man Great job 👏👏👏
Thank you
I've written a treatment for my version of Creed IV I just don't know how to pitch it, but it addresses all of these concerns except for the timeline issues
You should get it out there to the studio!
What I think should be Creed 4 is that Creed participates directly or indirectly at the Olympics. Dame said that in Creed 3 that he wanted to fight in the Olympics before going pro. Maybe he and Creed fight together or Creed is in Dame’s corner with Tony. Maybe have Chavez represent Mexico and Viktor Ukraine etc with fighters from around the world. Have a fighter like Ivan from China or North Korea beat Chavez , Viktor seriously hurting them and maybe kill Dame resulting in Adonis taking matters into his own hands in vengeance for his friends and beating this rival. Also would be interesting to to link this up with Amara who would have a front row seat to learn from the best and how this results in a greater conflict again between Adonis and Bianca over Amara’s future as she transitions into adolescence. Now obviously this sounds a lot like Rocky 4 and Cars 2 but I think it has potential but then again time will tell.
Interesting plot!
This is dangerous territory for a Creed Movie it can be done but Maaaaaan we shall see
Indeed
I want to see either Drago V Conlan
Sporino V Chavez
Drago V Dame
Wheeler V Conlan
Or Sporino V Creed
Definitely hoping for Drago vs Dame
Sporino vs Chavez would be interesting actually!🤔 I’d probably root for Chavez though because sporino durability was lacking…
@@grudgematch6653
Have to remember Sporino was 17 and O prior to fighting Creed and Chavez was 15 and 1 prior to Dame, Sporino could've improved his skills throughout the years
I honestly would like to see what Clubber Lang has been up to all of these years. I know him and Apollo had history of bad blood. More like competitive beef. I want to know how Apollo’s death affected him. Or if it did at all.
That could work, but I'm glad they didn't do the original idea of Mr. T's son fighting Adonis. It would've just been a rehash of Creed II
@@StryfetheWarrior no I totally get it! I’d be happy just to see Clubber Lang as a cameo. I genuinely want to know how he felt about Apollos death.
Spin off drago movie has already been confirmed. Late 2024.
That's if a writer is found and the timing of the shoot lines up with that. It could be 2025 as well
We need a Drago spin off.. maybe Creed 4 can set it up..
I personally want drago to become champ
Maybe this will happen if they ever do a Drago spin-off
May be 3rd Ricky in creed 4 like the thriller in manla to settle score. Also creed 5 lang nephew beat with different sir he sister child beat drago for world title. Then he face creed?
I'll probably discuss the Lang vs Creed idea in a future video.
Need Stallone back.
He definitely needs more of a wrap-up
....and another thing, which part of Creed, looks anything like a heavyweight?
200+ is a heavyweight if I recall correctly
Dame vs Drago, Rocky return, Creed losing belts (not retiring).
How would she hear the bell?
For Mario D'Agata, they used special lighting for when the round was over along with the bell ringing for the other person.
If they can do this…they gotta do it right. And make him conflicted to whose side he leans. He shouldn’t fight in this movie at all either. His time should officially be over
Yeah given the corner they put Adonis in because of Creed III, I'm ok with him not fighting ringwise either. It could be Rocky V done right
Naw mr t comes back and trains his protege Jason statem and creed gets his ass kicked by transporter, and then Rocky comes back and fights dragos son and kills him then Rocky fights dame and kills him and then tells creed jr he’s a little girl and walks away dancing.
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@@StryfetheWarrior it’s a multi verse story skippy
So who will be in 4 ?
Hard to say at this point. All speculation
Dragon and The other guy that would be good
i really hope creeds daughter isn’t the future of the franchise it would completely ruin it to me
It could work. Gotta have faith.
I agree. It could work if the writers waited until Creed V to make it happen. Amara could be inspired by a Laila Ali type female boxer as well as her dad Adonis.
Yeah the confusing timelines now became a bet peeve
Agreed
I think they save that fight for the Drago film
Here's hoping!
Great vid! No matter how you slice it CIII was Rocky V (Friend turns on friend (Different circumstances) and they fight.
Disappointed with Chavez casting wayyyyy to small to play heavyweight! 8:58 Should’ve gotten Canelo’s buddy Andy Ruiz a real heavyweight & champion! Today’s heavyweight are big men! Yeah timeline is fault of not watching the other Creeds…
I think bringing back Clubber as trainer for his protege would be good bc Clubber & Apollo had beef.🥊🥊🐴🇮🇹
Thank you!
Creed III could’ve been so much better. So much potential. Think they should’ve had Adonis lose to Damien. And he acknowledges that he was better and was destined to be world champ. Plus by losing would’ve made Adonis more likable & humble.
Also Dame locked up 18 yrs beats Chavez in first pro fight then gets “that much better” & goes
12 w/Adonis in only his 2nd fight…
Should’ve had Dame with at least a few pro fights making him more believable as a pro.
I said this months ago. Dame and Drago probably finna have beef.
Agreed
I don't want Rocky to return unless Donnie is facing Robert.
That'd be a tough one, and I'm not sure if that could even happen. Robert's 10 years older at least than Adonis
@@StryfetheWarrior so? How much older was Rocky when he last fought for the championship?
The consensus from most is that Dame didn't win the Title from Felix BECAUSE OF the dirty tactics: he was just taking out insurance. Donnie's punches were more something that would make Dame have to figure his life out than Felix's punches. Now that he had the EXPERIENCE of winning against TWO world-class fighters (one of whom beat the biggest monster any of them would likely have to face in Viktor) Dame would be absolutely phenomenal if he upgraded his fundamentals, diversified his great command of distance (which he could more than accomplish training under a master of angles like PACMAN) and I need him to get used to taking more WORLD-CLASS PUNISHMENT sparring with very PATIENT fighters like Wheeler and Crawford or Spence and fix his uppercut and perfect his horizontal defense by bringing it closer to his face and sealing it better with the two arms as he keeps his mind on the punching RHYTHM of his opponent (this is how Adonis was able to cancel that particular defense with him)--less of an opportunity for an opening.
Unlike a few I've seen commenting on other videos, I personally don't need Dame to fight Drago or even Felix, I want nothing but bro-love between Dame and the Creed Athletics family and Donnie's personal family from now forward--especially since he could benefit from a support network to prevent any chance of recidivism.
Actually, the film makes it pretty clear that Dame needed those tactics to even the odds, and even Adonis in the fight with Dame calls him out on it. However, I still think Dame is a good fighter on his own - he's a more dangerous Clubber in the sense that he has way better conditioning than Clubber did, and he essentially never stopped training since he was a teenager.
@@StryfetheWarrior I don’t see how Felix could have beat Viktor. Not sure how the film makes it clear that he NEEDED those tactics as much as it was showing him taking out insurance (like with the Drago hand thing) because he couldn’t depend on Donnie to do him that one solid and seeing how he seemed ashamed to claim him in a way (which I actually think Bianca and Marianne have the most to do with that). Dame did not invent those tactics (which ended up making him predictable): he is not the first, only or last to use them, nor do I think it was necessarily a statement about who he is as a person but rather who he had to be for the task at hand, which was (at least in his mind) equivalent to survival-like it was for him and Donnie as young Black men trying to grow up navigating a yt-male-sprmcst society, the boxing ring being a metaphor for that more than anything else.
I think the most equitable way to talk about the “dirty tactics” is as a dark twist on all the positive pushes and charitable help Donnie got from a community of people-including that neck shit they did in the corner when he was about to lose to Conlan: Donnie needed those hand-ups more than Dame NEEDED the dirty tactics. I believe Dame’s hunger and determination to make up for lost time were enough and he probably had the confidence to believe that too but he wasn’t going to miss his ONE SHOT in a room (felt like a world) that sees him as nothing but a bum…..just like Rocky. If he lost to Donnie without the dirty tactics, I think it would have been more because of his anger blinding him and causing him to overcorrect and causing him to fail to see what Donnie saw, which is in what ways he is predictable….and that is actually how Donnie ended up beating him, with 48 seconds to spare.
On another note, I thought it was very interesting how Donnie returned his same energy through much of the rounds, particularly with that overhand he landed once he started rocking with Dame side-to-side-never saw Donnie do overhand before.
The next thing I want is for Dame to have the same kind of support from which Donnie benefitted (even though it was a bit tainted by Marianne’s manipulation). Also, I personally don’t like the way Bianca talks to Donnie sometimes.
creed 4 should be Dames redemption arc and creed mentoring dame and it takes place 5 years later and creed just retires his championship status or the obvious answer: Rocky should fight his son in a ring of fire to the death
I would definitely like to see Dame have some sort of redemption
I’d like to see Adonis vs a Clubber Lang type character (up and comer with a similar personality). & Dame/Drago help train Adonis
Oh and OF COURSE the return of Rocky in some way
I think Dame was meant to be a Clubber/Tommy hybrid, so I'm ok with them having explored that in Creed III. I know people also want to see Creed vs Lang (Clubber's son if he had one), but they would have to be careful with that because it'd be a rehash of Creed II
@@StryfetheWarrior agreed. They need a new kind of character. Maybe a Floyd mayweather/McGreggor hybrid? Once in a lifetime talent with the personality to back it. He could have a crazy undefeated career but decides to go up or down a weight class to fight Adonis as an attempt to be named the greatest of all time
Would you mind doing Paulie analysis? I think that he is a complex character
I've considered it, given he's a guilty pleasure character of mine from the franchise.
Here me out adonis vs felix creed is champion and felix progressively more angry seeing his mentor hold the title he used to hold and evetually demands a title shot they have a rivalry and in a press conference get some very personal insults before creed retains his title
They'd have to really sell Felix being a threat. I don't think they did a good job of that in Creed III
Damian is born 1984, viktor is born 1990. 6 year youth difference while viktor has pro match experience (3-0-2) and dame has no pro match experience and been stuck in the hole for 18 years (1-0-1). Drago beat creed, dame did not. Drago Has legendary trainer Ivan drago who cares for him greatly and likely taught him everything he knows. It’s really no question.
It'd still be worth seeing though. I think Dame could still put up a good fight
Thought they were making a drago series
It wasn't "official", yet, as Stallone had a problem with the Winklers not running it by him first, and he was also mad at Dolph not talking to him about it first. Sly is not so mad anymore, so it could happen
who would be the next villain?
If they used it to focus on other characters with Adonis in more of a trainer role (kinda like Rocky in Rocky V) and if they executed it right, they could work
Creed needs to fight Clubber Lang's son 🥊
It could happen in a later Creed movie, though they would need to do their best to not make it a rehash of Creed II
Adonis does not need to nor do I think he would be interested to fight Felix in order to pass the title to him: he would simply vacate for him; especially since we know Donnie's susceptibility to guilt about his part in messing Felix's future plans to defend and expand his title after winning against Viktor. Also Felix was not a credible unified champion to me since the original plan was for him to win against Drago next--shit he couldn't even fade Dame!!
I agree. Adonis could just vacate the belt since he's already retired. Going forward, he should be a boxing promoter and mentor. Bring in some new talent.
Only if Dame wins
Oooh, that's a tough one
Sadly Dame can’t come back because Jonathan Majors is headed to the slammer
I really don’t want a anima. And it seems a lot of the fan base are saying that. I feel personally their can only be 1 more creed film. His story is almost finished. I think a good way to end creed would be a flip reverse of the original Rocky. We’re Creed has no longer champion and wants to give a young fighter calling him out. Creed winning a close decision. And I think the Drago spin off could be the start of a trilogy. Bringing Rocky back in 1 of these movies he could be training a amateur fighter who’s the next main boxer of the series. Maybe a Rocky nephew or distant relative.
I think a Creed anime could be done right. Adonis giving an unknown a shot COULD work though people would complain that's already a rehash of Creed III/Rocky I
It's time to end rocky and creed. I want stroy with Mickey as young boxer
We can have another Creed film and a Mickey prequel.
Creed 4 maybe not. I think this would be drago movie. Creed novie is about creed lineage. (Speaking on drago vs dame)
I wanna see the grown up daughter deciding to go into boxing
That'd be a good plot
This is actually not a bad idea
There's a few directions they could go in, at least
Bring back Leo and Ricky for rocky IV
I'm not sure if there'd be more to their story. I feel like Rocky and Adonis would not fight Leo again because it was his dad that leaked Adonis' last name to the press
They not gonna let Jonathan Majors come back unless he wins this case
Yeah, that's definitely a factor right now
Victor Drago will break dame Victor Drago MUST BREAK HIM lol🤣
5:55 Also Amara could take inspiration from Halle Berry's character in Bruised and Christy Martin (there could be an LGBT thread to redeem some of the problems of those persons as well as women getting fair pay and maybe she doesn't want a HUSBAND--any number of those things).
Was Halle Berry's character really a lesbian or just starved for a meaningful connection? After all, her character's bad childhood with her emotionally-abusive mom, being attacked by one of her mom's guys and later her abusive/exploiting ex-boyfriend were toxic. She didn't seem to have any healthy relationship experience.
who likes creedlll overll
I think they're all good in their own ways
I enjoyed Creed III.🙂 I liked the idea of Adonis battling self-doubt and overcoming his guilt regarding his old friend/big brother Dame's misfortune. Going through the loss of his stepmom. In the end, Adonis became stronger and more introspective.
STOP PLAYING!! What SHOULD happen is Carl Weathers still alive , (his ghost), Mr. T, still alive, Dolph Lundgren, still alive, all find a way in a movie with Adonis Creed. Get a good script, and merge a fractured franchise, since Stallone is currently out
Eh... not feeling it
Tyson Fury needs to show up and knock them all out
lol
Imagine Ricky's grandson and donnie's daughter starts dating as teens or young adults...
That'd be interesting
A fourth Creed would be tricky, though not impossible. Donnie is retired now, so it would have to be something very big to push him back in the ring.
I'm not sure what purpose a Damien/Drago fight would serve. The franchise is about Donnie, not either of them, and he's settled his beef with both of them.
I think it would have to be a new opponent, and it should be an entirely new one, like Damien, rather than connecting them to a previous installment in the franchise, which Creed II already did.
I'd love for Duke to have a bit more to do in this film. He and his father before him have been a mainstay in the franchise. There's al;ways been one of them in the corner of both Rocky and the Creed family.
Finally, I'd really like to see Rocky return one last time. I actually wouldn't mind if this was truly Sly's last appearance as Rocky. Say, his cancer has come back and this time it's too far gone to fight. Donnie 'Unc" could impart some final wisdom to his protege before moving on to that ring in the sky.
It was Dame's fault that Drago got injured in the first place. It could work if they worked it like Rocky V where Rocky was more on the sidelines and a trainer.
I mean sure, they could do a new opponent but how would that opponent look? The Rocky/Creed franchise has touched on several types of opponents out there.
Alright lemme get Adonis age right in 2002 he 15 15 years later he 30 6 years later he’s 36 and a article says he’s 39
Yeah the timeline has inconsistencies just like the Rocky movies too
what needs to happen first is bringing back rocky
Unless it's for a minor role, his arc is fairly wrapped up imo. At some point Adonis needs to stand on his own and if he can't what's the point?
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Drago destroys dame
Creed 3 was stupid. Should’ve ended with a better fight and a cliffhanger. A tie mirroring Rocky and Apollo would be cool. Then finishing the fight in Creed 4 would have been better. Especially, since Donny was already injured bad from previous fights.
That's your opinion