I’m the orange boosted s550 you referred to at mod nationals @28 minute mark. My car weighed 3615 without the bottle and me in the car. I wish it was down to 3400. Weighed the car at Baytown for TX2K also it’s now down to 3575 with me in it. Swapped to bmr k member
25:45 "Hot V" engine designs aren't bullshit. It has racing roots with Ford using it in the 60s, Ferrari using it in F1, Audi's LMP engine, current F2 cars, etc. And most OEMs are using that exact setup in their twin turbo V8s.
Question.... I'm swapping a VMP into my LS2 6.0 ... I wanted the 3rd gen but all I see is the R... All I wanna make is about 675-700Rwhp... Could the 2R do that on low boost???
@@shinobisaiyan4667 I mean pros fits under stock hood, I didn’t have to source a SS hood, and didn’t have to source a K member also, cons not really any cons yet, the KB throttle body is difficult to tune, lots of revisions and fail safes,
Delta is a perfect word for the statists, there are many people that use that word and more , scientists, the people making the stock tune, and the starting settings for the raw tune, use statistics to begin with. If you don't like the word thats OK. I use delta ect to make my choices for equities that I use managing three portfolios...oB
@@tillman40 i wouldn't call the mt82 a grenade many have taken lots of abuse and big power (800+ wheel) with just a twin disc clutch change i dont think id call that a grenade when that many have lived that far above stock power level even at the track.
They both make good power and will hold up long. R&D over the years proved that twin screw is always more efficient than roots style. The twin screw compresses the air in the blower where the air to air intercooler is and the roots style compresses it in the intake where heat soak is already present. The roots style gives a bigger initial bang but doesn't do well up top in high rpm's compared to the twin screw which gains a lb of boost up top due to its more efficient design. Honestly though, does any supercharger whether it's roots, twin screw or centrifugal stack up to the 4.9 liquid cooled kenne bell with the bigger internal air to air intercooler? Probably not .
The tvs isn't a typical "roots style" blower. Do little more research on them they are more efficient at making power and making it consistently than twin screws. The only way a twin screw can match or exceed a tvs is with alot more displacement. If they're close to the same size tvs wins all day every day.
Probably. Both cars were ran on the same dyno same way vmp didnt lose hardly anything being ran the same way. Theyre known for heat soak thats why they make the liquid cooled units. Its more about how you want the power (powerband) i prefer the vmp because heat is the enemy the one that does best against heat is the one for me plus it tends to make better low and midrange power and torque.
With VMPs actions after the Odin vs whipple, I wonder if this makes you feel different about this testing. I’m seriously doubting it was as legit as they claimed.
They don't bother making a newer 2.8 because they can't compete when displacement is close it has to be much larger to seriously compete. This proves vmps point even more lol. Displacement for displacement it's not even close.
1:33:34 Yes. Lots of people care if you own it. If you "gap" someone in a car that the bank owns, or that is leased, or that you haven't even made the first fucking payment on, what pride can you really take in your win? Did you even really win? It's not yours. In the street, I, (and many others) respect the guy who put in the work, blood and sweat to build his race car FAR more that the schmuck with the button down shirt and the 800 credit score. Real racers know.
Why would you be impressed with the kb? It is larger displacement and got SMOKED. It was only down 20 horse on peak to peak runs but did you see what happened on back to back to back pulls? Not even close. The 2.8 kb got bitch slapped. Yes it's an older design they don't bother making newer 2.8 because they can't compete with that size blower it's gotta be a 3.6 liter monster before they can do anything.
Hahaha always crack me up “the delta” hahaha these dudes out here are 🌈 man swear got cars and dont even know how an engine functions but talk about “boost” cant wait for one of them to do a new blower email tune with 93 at the end of October and air temps drop to around 50 degrees but the tune was made in a state on the west coast and the temp never goes below 75 lol
Maybe so but if youre implying vmp skewed the results youre foolin yourself justin is a very stand up and honest guy and he never bashes competition or anything like that he is class. There is nothing unusual about these results its about what you should expect kenne bells have always been known for heatsoak once you start spinning them that is why they do the liquod cooled blowers.
@@YDBT4LIFE He ran the car in NMRA coyote modified. He went high 7s at 176mph with the 3.6L and it made 1500hp. That said you're a tuner. You know a twin screw is the better design. That comparison VMP did was bullshit too. Anyone not being biased should be able to admit that. One of the best boost engine builders is Anthony Disomma. Ford, Chevy, Dodge doesn't matter. Saud Alzabin is a bad ass tuner. You will find DRE and DDR together a lot. Find me another street driven 6sp coyote with a Hellion Eliminator kit with twin Precision 64mm turbos make 1346 on pumped gas. No nitrous, meth, additives of any kind. Just pumped 93. Any tuner should be able to appreciate that. I do and I started tuning with gen6 DFI in the 90s lol...
Actual runs are gonna be worse for the kb. It gets smoked period point blank. You can blame it on old design or blame it on bias testing or whatever. No matter how you slice it the 2.65 gen3r smokes a 2.8 kb every day of the week. They don't make a newer design 2.8 because there's no point they know they can't seriously compete with the tvs they don't even bother. They only make big 3+ liter blowers now because anything under 3 liters won't compete with the tvs offerings out there today.
Another great stream once again. You never disappoint.
The Hot Air Intake 😂👍
Story about spinning out the fox was hilarious. Consider writing. Hey, maybe a book of short stories about crazy shit with mustangs? I’d buy it.
Are there any shops in Ga that you recommend dealing specifically with mustang's? Suspension, engine, and tuning.
I’m the orange boosted s550 you referred to at mod nationals @28 minute mark. My car weighed 3615 without the bottle and me in the car. I wish it was down to 3400. Weighed the car at Baytown for TX2K also it’s now down to 3575 with me in it. Swapped to bmr k member
Ah my mistake. Lmao I was like 3400 is that right??? Lol thanks for clearing it up
Alejandro Flores haha no worries. Was a fun time out there regardless. I think Justin still has the weights of everyone’s cars from that event
I retract my statement then.
25:45 "Hot V" engine designs aren't bullshit. It has racing roots with Ford using it in the 60s, Ferrari using it in F1, Audi's LMP engine, current F2 cars, etc. And most OEMs are using that exact setup in their twin turbo V8s.
Cats out the bag I'm calling it 1:15:40 the red car will be a 5.2 swap if the engine deal goes down lol
I missed the show Alex but went back and watched always true shit bro keep ur head up about the fairmont that porting should make it fly
I have a Roush mustang stage 1 should I go with a vmp gen 3R?
Question.... I'm swapping a VMP into my LS2 6.0 ... I wanted the 3rd gen but all I see is the R... All I wanna make is about 675-700Rwhp... Could the 2R do that on low boost???
Is it worth it to move from a VMP Gen2r to a Gen3 for a 93oct street car under 800hp?
Eh. On pump gas? No
Do the VooDoo brother. Would be my dream setup in my ‘66
What’s wrong with the KB 3.2 for a GT500 ? I live in shit California
It's not great the 3.6 is better
@@YDBT4LIFE ohh ok I have a 3.2 on my gt500 that’s why I was just curious,
@@FRANK.G how do you like the 3.2? Pros,cons
@@shinobisaiyan4667 I mean pros fits under stock hood, I didn’t have to source a SS hood, and didn’t have to source a K member also, cons not really any cons yet, the KB throttle body is difficult to tune, lots of revisions and fail safes,
What would you suggest as a mod list to get to 650whp on a 2019 gt. UK car and no e85....
Big Legg tvs blower with id47s and a VAP
Have you seen the whipple that Gale Banks put on his monster truck engine?
Delta is a perfect word for the statists, there are many people that use that word and more , scientists, the people making the stock tune, and the starting settings for the raw tune, use statistics to begin with. If you don't like the word thats OK.
I use delta ect to make my choices for equities that I use managing three portfolios...oB
Aye putting comp cams in my 2013 f150 worth it?
Not really unless you rev it to the sky
Alejandro Flores I long tubes on the truck and getting gt cams and 18 gt mani going afterwards but what else do you recommend?
Is the ecoboost has the same MT82 as in the coyote
The same grenade but it has the pin in it
@@tillman40 i wouldn't call the mt82 a grenade many have taken lots of abuse and big power (800+ wheel) with just a twin disc clutch change i dont think id call that a grenade when that many have lived that far above stock power level even at the track.
They both make good power and will hold up long. R&D over the years proved that twin screw is always more efficient than roots style. The twin screw compresses the air in the blower where the air to air intercooler is and the roots style compresses it in the intake where heat soak is already present.
The roots style gives a bigger initial bang but doesn't do well up top in high rpm's compared to the twin screw which gains a lb of boost up top due to its more efficient design.
Honestly though, does any supercharger whether it's roots, twin screw or centrifugal stack up to the 4.9 liquid cooled kenne bell with the bigger internal air to air intercooler?
Probably not .
The tvs isn't a typical "roots style" blower. Do little more research on them they are more efficient at making power and making it consistently than twin screws. The only way a twin screw can match or exceed a tvs is with alot more displacement. If they're close to the same size tvs wins all day every day.
A Vodoo Cobra Jet 6R80... How tell does that work? Lol.. can't wait to see that.
We'll see
56:03 "I did another guy" 🤣😂
Hahaha and he was 840
What are your thoughts about 2.3 edelbrock supercharger is it comparable to vmp does it produce same psi
Well the KB really drop that much HP rolling on the street with wind going through CAI?
Probably. Both cars were ran on the same dyno same way vmp didnt lose hardly anything being ran the same way. Theyre known for heat soak thats why they make the liquid cooled units. Its more about how you want the power (powerband) i prefer the vmp because heat is the enemy the one that does best against heat is the one for me plus it tends to make better low and midrange power and torque.
@46:04 Lmao bro you’re killing me
With VMPs actions after the Odin vs whipple, I wonder if this makes you feel different about this testing. I’m seriously doubting it was as legit as they claimed.
@YDBT4LIFE
How old is the 2.8? 15 years? And pretty sure it took a Gt500 in the 8s in 2010.
They don't bother making a newer 2.8 because they can't compete when displacement is close it has to be much larger to seriously compete. This proves vmps point even more lol. Displacement for displacement it's not even close.
1:33:34 Yes. Lots of people care if you own it. If you "gap" someone in a car that the bank owns, or that is leased, or that you haven't even made the first fucking payment on, what pride can you really take in your win? Did you even really win? It's not yours. In the street, I, (and many others) respect the guy who put in the work, blood and sweat to build his race car FAR more that the schmuck with the button down shirt and the 800 credit score. Real racers know.
Never buy a old TH-camrs car....you know it has been run hard!
Coming summer 2020, the circuit delete tune
The donkey dick is life
Dickhana 😂😂😂
You got to bring Yolo back once in a while. He’s fuckin hilarious.
Imagine being paid for automotive knowledge and not knowing what a hot vee concept is...
I'll show you the delta .. lmfao
Whipple 3.0 gen 5
Weak comparison on VMP’s end. A Fucking 12 year old blower to their what, 2 year old? Actually kinda impressed with the KB
Why would you be impressed with the kb? It is larger displacement and got SMOKED. It was only down 20 horse on peak to peak runs but did you see what happened on back to back to back pulls? Not even close. The 2.8 kb got bitch slapped. Yes it's an older design they don't bother making newer 2.8 because they can't compete with that size blower it's gotta be a 3.6 liter monster before they can do anything.
@@midnight347 LOL nice Fucking Ford Fiesta
Hahaha always crack me up “the delta” hahaha these dudes out here are 🌈 man swear got cars and dont even know how an engine functions but talk about “boost” cant wait for one of them to do a new blower email tune with 93 at the end of October and air temps drop to around 50 degrees but the tune was made in a state on the west coast and the temp never goes below 75 lol
🤣🤣🤣
I'm sure kenbe bell did same test they would get different results.
Maybe so but if youre implying vmp skewed the results youre foolin yourself justin is a very stand up and honest guy and he never bashes competition or anything like that he is class. There is nothing unusual about these results its about what you should expect kenne bells have always been known for heatsoak once you start spinning them that is why they do the liquod cooled blowers.
And you can make 1500 with a 3.6. Not a 4.2
Show me where
Johnny Lightning 1450 tire 5.0 powered cobra jet
@@brandonmellor4439 show me this...and it better not be an alcohol blown full race billet shit. Lmao we are talking street car's here
@@YDBT4LIFE He ran the car in NMRA coyote modified. He went high 7s at 176mph with the 3.6L and it made 1500hp.
That said you're a tuner. You know a twin screw is the better design. That comparison VMP did was bullshit too. Anyone not being biased should be able to admit that.
One of the best boost engine builders is Anthony Disomma. Ford, Chevy, Dodge doesn't matter. Saud Alzabin is a bad ass tuner. You will find DRE and DDR together a lot. Find me another street driven 6sp coyote with a Hellion Eliminator kit with twin Precision 64mm turbos make 1346 on pumped gas. No nitrous, meth, additives of any kind. Just pumped 93. Any tuner should be able to appreciate that. I do and I started tuning with gen6 DFI in the 90s lol...
Alejandro Flores how long you been in the race scene? Seems not long LMFAO
Like to see actual runs with both blowers not dyno queen runs.
Darren McFeaters lets see your boys at KB make it happen then!
Actual runs are gonna be worse for the kb. It gets smoked period point blank. You can blame it on old design or blame it on bias testing or whatever. No matter how you slice it the 2.65 gen3r smokes a 2.8 kb every day of the week. They don't make a newer design 2.8 because there's no point they know they can't seriously compete with the tvs they don't even bother. They only make big 3+ liter blowers now because anything under 3 liters won't compete with the tvs offerings out there today.