The issue with putting the click on 2 and 4 is when that's translated to teaching students to tap their feet on 2 and 4. Professional musicians know EXACTLY where the downbeat is--they feel that big beat in their GUT. However, many students of jazz that tap on 2 and 4 will inevitably lose the DOWNBEAT (that was me for a while). If you are taping on autopilot and not aware of the downbeat at ALL times, you are doing everyone you are playing with and playing for a disservice. My current teacher--a bandmate and close friend of the late Barry Harris--taught me to tap on 1 and 3 on one foot and 4 with the other foot. No matter where I put the click for the metronome, that's where I tap my feet. I train the downbeat every time I pick up my guitar. Jeff Berlin is a famous pro for a reason. No matter what we play--triangle, bassoon, guitar, bass, drums, saxophone--everyone who plays music has a responsibility to keep time. Whether the downbeat is explicit or implied, you gotta KNOW where that downbeat is at all times. That goes for ANY genre of music, free jazz included.
Well, i'm a 2/4 guy because i just hear it like a snare in my head, and i cant toggle this off. So what i did was to make myself a a drum track with only hihat and snare, the hihat is humanized, the snare is straight dead on. No bassdrum. Thats my metronome for the last 10 years 😆
the off beat bass lines sound totally different to me. Maybe it's interesting to record the same bass line twice. Once with the metronome on 1 and 3, other time on 2 and 4? With the click just in your ears, so the recording does not have it. I prefer to hear things that do work instead of what doesn't work... Yet everyone gets their time to get things across, and I respect the perspective.
I'm confused, at 2:17 Jeff says "practicing on 2&4 on s Click, gets people to play better". So is this an accidental contradiction, or an awkward continuation of 2:10 "the 2&4 is sort of more an elusion..."
@@PjRjHj The comment was that practicing with a click gets people to play better......with a click. 2 and 4 or 1 and 3 click track practice doesn't translate over to live ensemble playing. Nor does it improve your bass playing because the music that does improve players is never mentioned. I hope that this clarifies things.
The issue with putting the click on 2 and 4 is when that's translated to teaching students to tap their feet on 2 and 4. Professional musicians know EXACTLY where the downbeat is--they feel that big beat in their GUT.
However, many students of jazz that tap on 2 and 4 will inevitably lose the DOWNBEAT (that was me for a while). If you are taping on autopilot and not aware of the downbeat at ALL times, you are doing everyone you are playing with and playing for a disservice.
My current teacher--a bandmate and close friend of the late Barry Harris--taught me to tap on 1 and 3 on one foot and 4 with the other foot. No matter where I put the click for the metronome, that's where I tap my feet. I train the downbeat every time I pick up my guitar.
Jeff Berlin is a famous pro for a reason. No matter what we play--triangle, bassoon, guitar, bass, drums, saxophone--everyone who plays music has a responsibility to keep time. Whether the downbeat is explicit or implied, you gotta KNOW where that downbeat is at all times. That goes for ANY genre of music, free jazz included.
Well, i'm a 2/4 guy because i just hear it like a snare in my head, and i cant toggle this off. So what i did was to make myself a a drum track with only hihat and snare, the hihat is humanized, the snare is straight dead on. No bassdrum. Thats my metronome for the last 10 years 😆
I agree my man. Time comes from within. The proof is that I think one and three swings more. That's just me...
thanks for all, guru!
Appreciate your input
the off beat bass lines sound totally different to me. Maybe it's interesting to record the same bass line twice. Once with the metronome on 1 and 3, other time on 2 and 4? With the click just in your ears, so the recording does not have it.
I prefer to hear things that do work instead of what doesn't work... Yet everyone gets their time to get things across, and I respect the perspective.
I listen to the drummer.
I'm confused, at 2:17 Jeff says "practicing on 2&4 on s Click, gets people to play better". So is this an accidental contradiction, or an awkward continuation of 2:10 "the 2&4 is sort of more an elusion..."
@@PjRjHj
The comment was that practicing with a click gets people to play better......with a click. 2 and 4 or 1 and 3 click track practice doesn't translate over to live ensemble playing. Nor does it improve your bass playing because the music that does improve players is never mentioned. I hope that this clarifies things.
I like to read on 1 and 3. So sue me.
😂same here
You guys are a bunch of squares.