@@lk_3099 I like the psychological stuff too but I’m just talking about the physical violence because that’s what some of the reviews were complaining about
Tigerstar, Brightheart, Scourge’s past, Hollyleaf’s, Jayfeather’s, and Lionblaze’s existence, the TRAGEDY, and so much more(clear sky I still hate you)
I think WoF does a really good job at being tactful about the horrors of war. I reread Moon Rising today and the way they touched on all the different characters being affected by the war in different ways was really interesting
People are complaining about a simple relationship but nobody bats an eye about how they arguably brought up sex one time? An egg? Wow they sure work fast in the Kingdom Of The Sea 😏 who’s the lucky father? -Glory, 2013 Also “the tribe has breeding nights once in a while” is basically a family friendly way of saying “orgy”
Yeah!! And Queen Scarlett apparently ordered Kestral to participate in a "breeding program" which later Scarlett tells Chameleon he "had no right to do what he did" which in context implies he made Soar in order to hook up with Kestral in the place of whoever she was set up to breed with. So like damn! That's pretty scandalous to put it lightly.
Iv's dads, Sundew and Willow, Burnet and Silverspot, Anemone(to be fair, Ivy's dads are human), Cobra Lily, Jambu and Pineapple,... I think that makes 10 in total
The first one in a nutshell "How very dare there be 6 WHOLE GAY CHARACTERS out of the HUNDREDS of characters in this book series! My child read this and now they think it's normal!! Outrageous!!!" like literally
“Oh what’s that you say? I should be more concerned about the character that literally forced his extremely controlling father to disembowl himself in great detail? No, that’s ok, good clean fun!”
when it comes to trans or gay characters i do not care if the story is good than i do not care. gore and blood shed i believe are ok. facing facts the world is not sun shine and rainbows. it should not be censored that yes bad things happen. it just comes down to even though i am Nationalist/Conservative as it gets i have bigger things in life than worrying about peoples sexual preferences or pronouns. i just do not deal in it. i would rather put my time into starting a company. and discussing robotics. i find this whole race, gender, gay, trans argument nothing more than a colossal waste of time. science already answered these questions humans have 23 pairs of chromosomes and come in many shapes sizes and shades of brown. and come in 2 genders male and female which produce specific sexual cells required for reproduction known as a Sperm Cell and Egg Cell. and humans are sentient beings and have likes and dislikes. some like girl stuff some like boy stuff. got carried away there but you get the the idea. politics in general is a waste of time.
I'm in my late 20s and I'm really impressed how very mature things are handled. Of course some things (like years long trauma) are not handled realistic but it is still a young teens book. And that's okay
I think I actually found it interesting to learn about lesbians through wings of fire and even though I'm Christian I have a thought process of if it doesn't bother me I don't bother it so gay people don't get on my nerves
Yeah I’m a Christian too and I agree. Shielding your children from anything you disagree with isn’t doing your children any favours. WoF has always been full of complex themes and tricky topics. Out of everything in the series, gay dragons is a silly hill to die on.
@@Queercartoonfan101 yep, the first book was available at my school book fair without any disclaimers about violence or anything, so it was assumed that they were fine for a six year old to read. Nothing in that book (Dragonet Prophecy) was scary to me and I kept on reading the books as they released
Some of these comments are definitely overreacting. I read these books when I was eight and the Hunger Games when I was twelve and I turned out fine. Wings of Fire in the later years may have been a bit of a mess, but it's our bit of a mess
Editing pages for your kids? Okay now that’s just messed up. If you think that something’s too violent just don’t let them read it until they’re older smh
Call me naive, but I thought that one of the things fantasy fiction was supposed to do was show ideas that haven't been done to death. The only other time I had seen lesbian dragons anywhere before the third arc was in furry fandom art. Sundew and Willow are both consenting adults with three dimensional, likable personalities. Jambu and Pineapple, even though they had a very brief appearance, were MEGA-adorable and likable. (I hope to see those guys in arc 4.)
If you're leaving a 1 star reveiw on a dragon book series because "oh no, there are gay dragons" you have larger problems than the book series. Also the violence being "too violent" is crazy, wait till your kid gets to our real world and sees how violent that is.
I think there actually was a non-binary dragon character as well, but they where just mentioned by Wren. She mentioned the Liberian dragon that they once met in a dragon city being like Axolotl. though, we have sadly never had a non binary dragon character on page, Axolotl is great tho
one thing i wondered about for a while now is why is there such a huge push for representation? i always said that it's up to the writer if they want to have that in their books... that goes for any representation ( culture, beliefs ext... )
It's because passionate authors like writing about things they haven't written about before. Rewriting the same plots/tropes/characters/etc over and over again sounds very boring and uninspired. (Look at Warriors. The Erins keep writing the same plots within the same universe despite wanting to stop at their first arc because the book publisher wanted more material to sell. You could read any arc and get the same experience due to how similar they are.) That's why you have people exploring new territory when it comes down to writing topics. (I creatively write and it'd bore me if I had to cover the same ground repeatedly.)
If you cover the news on the tv show, I'd be curious to ehar your thoughts on how the animates series could fix and improve many of the problems in Wings of Fire.
kinda obsessed with the reviews saying that the books got "too political" with the inclusion of Sundew and Willow when the series was originally about succession drama and war
Parents: I can excuse murder/genocide/abuse in the books my children read, but I draw the line at 2 same-sex characters having a loving, consensual, romantic relationship Me: I think I just lost half of my braincells wHat-
It was Wings of Fire that made me realize how exactly poison jungle can feel for lesbians. It was that book that made me realize how they might feel. I am grateful to Tui💜
2:34 I do want to learn about a lesbian's dragon relationship, thank you very much homophobic parent. The fact there are 323 people who found that helpful is concerning, for my own sake im going to say they are bots
Hey I just wanted to say something, and before I do, I am NOT homophobic or transphobic in any way, and I do not condone ANY of this behavior whatsoever. You made several comments in the video warning that some of these reviews are homophobic and transphobic, however, can’t people just have their opinions? Not everyone supports LGBTQ+, and that’s okay as long as they are not discriminatory or hateful towards people in that category. Parents make decisions based on what they think is best (which is not always right, may I point out) for their children, and I don’t think that should be shunned upon. Now, I took into consideration your comment about sheep and how it is dangerous for someone to mindlessly follow others, in which I totally agree, however, once a child is out from under the roof of their parent’s protection, they make decisions for themselves. By then they will have matured enough to have seen a bit of life and know what to do in situations like these. Parents offer incredible guidance, however, they are not always right, so making decisions firsthand once one reaches adulthood is definitely something that is inevitable. This world has just reached over 8 billion people, and none of them have the same exact worldview. Anywho, just wanted to make that (small 😂) comment:) Again, I do NOT condone hate or bigotry acts in any way whatsoever I just want to present the other side of the argument ❤❤
The wings of fire book series is one of the things that made me get into books. It was a really good starter for me, enough violence and tension and good characters, I read this book when I was the recommended age. I don’t think 8-9 year olds should read this book series, because the violence can be a bit much for those kids. The LBTGQ theming was the least of my concern in the book. Dark stalker legends was a bit more gruesome, and should be rated 13+ for having to imagine the scene of arctics death, or seeing depictions of it online. But yes the book series is amazing, I would definitely recommend it to anyone who wants a book that is interesting, but also a bit violent. Also, I would like to note. I am a Christian, but I already knew about the LBTGQ. I didn’t really care about the relationships or whatever was going on with them. I just cared about what was happening next
6:00 "i was reading it with my nine year old" i fell like by halfway into book one you would see its not for kids under like 11 except for a select few (me) who had some kinda trauma or are fine with that kinda stuff
Very well done on this video. You reflect good insight and well thought out responses to these reviews. I sensed a trend in some of these reviews that leaned to certain political leanings that are more forced on children than anything in these books have done. For context, i am an almost 50yr mother to a 23yr daughter that got me into the series. This is a great way for children to learn not to judge other relationships, not only those of same sex but also different race, and to be more accepting. Anyone who has to state their "accepting" but shows otherwise like these reviews need to consult a mirror about who they really are. Again, great job on the video!
Honestly, the fact that these books have gay characters made me curious! I don't know ANYTHING about Wings of Fire, so that already gives me an interest.
to speak directly to the two gay relationships I know of that canonically got off the ground Sundew and Willow are fine I didn't even really care at all I just considered to be sundew openly pursuing something that made her happy as for Jambu and Pineapple this pair through me for a loop however in the short segment shown in flame of hope it is clear both of them care deeply and are happy together, which should be the end of it, these show are for kids so how they pleasure themselves isn't a factor towards the plot and is inapproite to even state as a reason, teaching kids that if someone makes you happy persueing them in a kind respectful manner (looking at you Kinkajo and Turtle) is healthy regardless of gender, honestly I don't have an issue with it hell my favourite non-canon ship is Quiter for crying out loud as they seem to just link together very well and that relationship would NEVER get boring Qibli wouldn't allow it.
5th grader…… year 6? that age is perfectly fine to read wof and warrior cats , depending on how mature the child is. ik ppl who read warrior cats in yr 3 & wof in yr4 and they were fine lol
I feel as if there’s a difference between being homophobic and being in a religion with homophobic views. Whilst personally, I think that’s wrong and pretty disgusting, it would be like going to a Christian and saying there is no god and Jesus isn’t real. Some of these people probably were raised under these types of religions, so I try not to judge unless I know for certain it’s plain Homphobia.
As someone who read wings of fire at a very young age, it definitely IS too violent for kids and I’m surprised people are saying it’s fine. Same with warrior cats, not for kids. It’s definitely more of a series for teens
All these reviews where funny. The homophobic ones in a bad way, but it is funny how the parents freak out over a few characters being lgbtqia+, most of them are minor even other then Sundew, that are actually in the books. All the other main characters (minus Sunny, and hopefully she stays that way) ARE in a relationship, or at least implied to be in one, none of the reviewers care unless its Sunlow
I laughed my ass off when I first started the series on audible and saw the reviews from angry parents. The homophobic and bigotry kinda breaks my heart though. Especially when it's a review written by the young reader. I grew up in the closet and was surrounded by homophobia. I use to be super disappointed when a media I liked had gay characters cause I was scared my parents would forbid it and they usually did if they noticed. It was a bad time. I really feel for the kids of the parents who left these hateful reviews.
Here's my review 3/10 Books are way too short, each one needs to be about twice the original length. Sutherland is really good at describing random acts of violence, but (as of the three arcs, if a 4th arc is confirmed) pretty bad at wrapping up those nice subplots. (Remember Sora and Umbra, book six anyone?). Stuck with the plot? Do one of these: murder a random character barely introduced, imprison the main character and/or their companion(s) or divert the reader's attention to a subplot we'll never mention again and that really doesn't affect the story. Hell, the third arc, aside from Blue and Cricket, was pretty 'meh' overall. (Sundew, your relationship with Willow is adorable, but screw you for A: not trying to save SwordTail, B: yelling at Blue for saving Swordtail, and C: for straightup murdering the Leafwing I won't name for spoilers. No hesitation there eh?)
My parents are kinda homophobic but they can't speak English, good for me i can read the books in original languagew without my parents noticing gay couples
Although I like WoF, personally, I think some of these reveiws have good points, considering the age group the series is targeted towards. (I would bump it up to 13+)
Actually read this book once it was the boys who challenge Hitler that’s probably going to be a very controversial book i’m just saying there’s many other book I have the same problem
In the 2024 every one talking about transgender.But back in my granddad days TV was more about the political stuff. talking about how the war was going
No but like - why do people care about the homosexual relationships in the book instead of the ACTUAL storyline?? The book isn't called "WILLOW AND SUNDEW - A LESBIAN DRAGON RELATIONSHIP" People should focus on the other part of the story, ESPECIALLY because the relationship is not explored very much in ANY of the books. Don't get me wrong, I loved the little tidbits of the relationship, it's probably my favorite ship, but that wasn't the ONLY THING I PAYED ATTENTION TO when reading the whole book. Why do people care so much smh
My god some of this reviews are stupid most of these books are made for audiences of **all** ages so some of the more mature books are for to keep teens(like myself) and adults interested and it annoys me since I'm a very big wof fun Also sry for ranting in this coment
I'm pretty sure Cobra Lily is trans (idk, haven't read the books in awhile) and I heard there's a nonbinary character in darkstalker’s book Oh yeah and Tui said there's the possibility she'll make Sky trans
@@TheKoiCatDragon I think Cobra Lily is just a girl, and after rereading the books I found that Axolotl from book 15, the human who had the dragon book and helped guide the characters to the abyss, is only ever referred to as “they”. Might look at Darkstalkers book though just to see if that’s true or na.
The closest we've got so far to a transgender character in the series is Hailstorm/Pyrite. And while I'd love to see that, I doubt it'll be made canon as it would look a lot like "Oh, you're trans because of a traumatic experience" which is kind of a big no-no in terms of minority representation. There is also the non-binary scavenger in book 15, that Wren has to explain to Sky.
💀 it wouldn’t make sense to have trans dragons like bruh there’s gay penguins (it’s true) so it would make sense to have at least some gay dragons but trans dragons… (I respect trans) that’s just too far 😒
@@ladydead7001 just because they have human level intelligence doesn’t mean they always have to relate to US? It would not make sense for there to be a trans dragon there still like dogs and cats it wouldn’t make sense for there to be a transgender bird?!?
@The_entity666 the dragons also do have a concept of gender (only females are allowed to rule for example), they have full on societies, I don't see how a trans dragon would be unrealistic
@@ladydead7001 💀 a trans dragon is not realistic they aren’t human there just giant lizards with wings who can talk English that’s the only similarity they have to humans that isn’t eating drinking they think similarly to us but they still think differently in some ways if you just want drama you’re talking to the wrong person…
Why not dragons? There’s been many a news article about lions or chickens being trans, (not in the way we classify it as they are ANIMALS. but still! It’s interesting) and these dragons have intelligence on par with humans. And gender is a social construct, which dragons clearly have a concept of. Also there’s magic what are you on about
As a nine-year-old that reads wings of fire, I’ve only read seven books, and I’m actually completely okay with it, I don’t mind LGBT because I respect it :) (Also, I love violence, my mom knows that I’m obsessed with reading blood, so.. that’s okay.)
as a kid i had to stop reading wings of fire because of of all the gay contents. I live in a christian family and still live up to those values and i respect everyone. Doesnt mean i respect the content of some of their beliefs though. i would ask you to be a little more respectful towards the families who said those "homophobic" things. I do personally agree that the plot line was much to focused on the relationship of willow and honeydew. If you ask many people theyll actually say the quality of the books has dropped from book thirteen and beyond. such the book series is definitely not at the hight of its fame. If you have any questions please be respectful and i will answer. thanks for reading ❤
I used to be a massive fan in my teens. Now I'm in my twenties and I can tell it has it's fair share of problems, and while I am pretty vocal about my issues with the series I can't say that I hate it, I'm just left disappointed at times.
I know that they are many good people of religion who will to do good thing under their beliefs but if your going overboard about evils immorality inc political activity, massacre or violent and wars a book series the bible is far nastier than any books made today but your don't sheild your kids from
Look, I do think the first one was overreacting a bit, but I don’t think you should be hating on a person for their opinion. You said SPECIFICALLY that people should respect each other’s lifestyles, and yet you are dissing this person for their opinion. I personally didn’t like the fact that there were gay characters in this series when I read this as a kid, NOT because I was being sheltered from it by my parents, but because I just didn’t like the sudden burst of gay characters in the third arc. I don’t agree with that lifestyle, but I do respect those who live that way. And also, as a Christian, I still very much enjoy this series even though it’s has a few things that I don’t agree with, so I usually skip or ignore those parts. So PLEASE don’t call me ‘homophobic’.
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these review keep complaining that the books are too violent while I'm complaining that its not violent enough
I mean you’re not wrong
Different tastes for different people.
I'm personally more about psychological violence rather than gore and blood.
@@lk_3099 I like the psychological stuff too but I’m just talking about the physical violence because that’s what some of the reviews were complaining about
I think the amount of violence is actually basically perfect
HONESTLY
“Some consider it too violent for the age bracket” why did the make me think of warriors almost immediately
Watership Down nuff said
omg that's what i thought too and don't you think that Brightheart and Quibli would be besties
Tigerstar, Brightheart, Scourge’s past, Hollyleaf’s, Jayfeather’s, and Lionblaze’s existence, the TRAGEDY, and so much more(clear sky I still hate you)
I think WoF does a really good job at being tactful about the horrors of war. I reread Moon Rising today and the way they touched on all the different characters being affected by the war in different ways was really interesting
yeah no joke
5:50 “Too political for kids”
they have fucking monarchies what 😭😭
The people who say it’s political are the same people who post “Support Trump” or “Support Biden” stuff on Twitter
Silkwing assembly: Am I a joke to you?
oop @@General_Belu
Not political enough: make one of the tribes Revisionist Communists and another Accelerationists or else I’ll reviewbomb.
@@Ape-El I don't think having a strong political opinion on Twitter is morally equivilent to shoving those biases into a children's book.
People are complaining about a simple relationship but nobody bats an eye about how they arguably brought up sex one time?
An egg? Wow they sure work fast in the Kingdom Of The Sea 😏 who’s the lucky father?
-Glory, 2013
Also “the tribe has breeding nights once in a while” is basically a family friendly way of saying “orgy”
Don’t they also mention that the sky wings have a mating season?
@@Pushing_Daisies I think it was the Mudwings, or both
@@Pushing_DaisiesI think the skywings in scarlet’s rule were in breeding programs
Yeah!! And Queen Scarlett apparently ordered Kestral to participate in a "breeding program" which later Scarlett tells Chameleon he "had no right to do what he did" which in context implies he made Soar in order to hook up with Kestral in the place of whoever she was set up to breed with. So like damn! That's pretty scandalous to put it lightly.
And don't forget in book 7 where Winter implies that Foeslayer and the NightWings forced Artic to have eggs with Foeslayer.
“They shouldn’t romanticize characters anyways.”errrr-the books take place over thousands of years. If they didn’t the tribes would simply die out.
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Exactly, that’s literally just nature. Do these people think that animals don’t… ‘make love’ to each other??
@@Kat-il4ggngl I thought they didn’t do the ‘make love’ thing in this universe, but… turns out they do
Iv's dads, Sundew and Willow, Burnet and Silverspot, Anemone(to be fair, Ivy's dads are human),
Cobra Lily, Jambu and Pineapple,... I think that makes 10 in total
Umber
aren't there also those two Icewings from one of the winglets?
Snowflake and Snowfox? You're right, I forgot about them. Oh, and Umber too.
Tui confirmed Qibli and Winter to be Bi or Pan
Wings of fire #1 best book series
agreed!!
The first one in a nutshell "How very dare there be 6 WHOLE GAY CHARACTERS out of the HUNDREDS of characters in this book series! My child read this and now they think it's normal!! Outrageous!!!" like literally
“Oh what’s that you say? I should be more concerned about the character that literally forced his extremely controlling father to disembowl himself in great detail?
No, that’s ok, good clean fun!”
@@Cr4ving__nachøZ seriously
when it comes to trans or gay characters i do not care if the story is good than i do not care. gore and blood shed i believe are ok. facing facts the world is not sun shine and rainbows. it should not be censored that yes bad things happen.
it just comes down to even though i am Nationalist/Conservative as it gets i have bigger things in life than worrying about peoples sexual preferences or pronouns. i just do not deal in it. i would rather put my time into starting a company. and discussing robotics. i find this whole race, gender, gay, trans argument nothing more than a colossal waste of time. science already answered these questions humans have 23 pairs of chromosomes and come in many shapes sizes and shades of brown. and come in 2 genders male and female which produce specific sexual cells required for reproduction known as a Sperm Cell and Egg Cell. and humans are sentient beings and have likes and dislikes. some like girl stuff some like boy stuff. got carried away there but you get the the idea. politics in general is a waste of time.
11 gay dragons if you count Cobra Lily
@@rileyomadadhain2173wait what? I don’t remember Cobra Lily being in a gay relationship? Someone tell me who she’s with
I really like all these “mature” topics in WOF, teaches kids about the real world
I'm in my late 20s and I'm really impressed how very mature things are handled. Of course some things (like years long trauma) are not handled realistic but it is still a young teens book. And that's okay
I think I actually found it interesting to learn about lesbians through wings of fire and even though I'm Christian I have a thought process of if it doesn't bother me I don't bother it so gay people don't get on my nerves
Yeah I’m a Christian too and I agree. Shielding your children from anything you disagree with isn’t doing your children any favours. WoF has always been full of complex themes and tricky topics. Out of everything in the series, gay dragons is a silly hill to die on.
So true. It’s not the end of the world.
And a book isn’t going to turn someone gay or something:/ it’s just teaching them everyone is different
you know a review is going to be a wild ride when it has emojis in a title
I started reading WOF back when only the first book was out, I was around 6 years old. The violence and “politics” never bothered me 🤷♂️
Same! I'm 9 (10 in may) and the WOF books are some of my favourites! (Also I'm still midway through book ten)
@@KodasToyReviews Nice! I was about the same age when I was reading through the series too
you read it at 6 YEARS OLD????
@@Queercartoonfan101 yep, the first book was available at my school book fair without any disclaimers about violence or anything, so it was assumed that they were fine for a six year old to read. Nothing in that book (Dragonet Prophecy) was scary to me and I kept on reading the books as they released
I think that the willow and sundo was a great idea!! It’s gives soooo much depth to sundo and makes the story more interesting!
(firstly you spell it like sundew) and you right
@@kerriruch6393 lol sorry typo. It didn’t even type the last letter 😂
I find almost any reviews hilarious tbh,
Some of these comments are definitely overreacting. I read these books when I was eight and the Hunger Games when I was twelve and I turned out fine. Wings of Fire in the later years may have been a bit of a mess, but it's our bit of a mess
I love how half of the Poison Jungle 1 star reviews are ‘THESE DRAGONS ARE LESBIAN GRRR HOW DARE YOU POISON MY INNOCENT CHILDS MIND’ like stop-
Editing pages for your kids? Okay now that’s just messed up. If you think that something’s too violent just don’t let them read it until they’re older smh
-.- that first one said "life CHOICES" Being gay is NOT a choice. I'm sure others did, too.
"Dear parents, may your talons never betray you in your darkest hour." (Message from Darkstalker)
4:05 that was 100 % definitely a real thing that happened.
5:25 that happened to me, except there were 6 pages missing
hey 4arcane you think you could do a video on the news about the animated series getting pick up by amazon recently?
we've been waiting nearly 2 years for it to get renewed
A youtuber named "Dogloverlukesdoges" did a great video on it! I'd recommend you check her out :D
Call me naive, but I thought that one of the things fantasy fiction was supposed to do was show ideas that haven't been done to death. The only other time I had seen lesbian dragons anywhere before the third arc was in furry fandom art. Sundew and Willow are both consenting adults with three dimensional, likable personalities. Jambu and Pineapple, even though they had a very brief appearance, were MEGA-adorable and likable. (I hope to see those guys in arc 4.)
If you're leaving a 1 star reveiw on a dragon book series because "oh no, there are gay dragons" you have larger problems than the book series. Also the violence being "too violent" is crazy, wait till your kid gets to our real world and sees how violent that is.
I want more romance and violence in the books but it’s still epic
Everyone remembers how Netflix cancelled the show Amazon picked it up
My dad sent me an article about it cause he know it was a huge interest of my mine, I was so relived :)))
@@LokiTheFool My mother did the same thing earlier today I am really pumped about the show coming back
@@LokiTheFool my mom sent me the article for the same reason lol
I think there actually was a non-binary dragon character as well, but they where just mentioned by Wren. She mentioned the Liberian dragon that they once met in a dragon city being like Axolotl. though, we have sadly never had a non binary dragon character on page, Axolotl is great tho
one thing i wondered about for a while now is why is there such a huge push for representation? i always said that it's up to the writer if they want to have that in their books... that goes for any representation ( culture, beliefs ext... )
It's because passionate authors like writing about things they haven't written about before. Rewriting the same plots/tropes/characters/etc over and over again sounds very boring and uninspired. (Look at Warriors. The Erins keep writing the same plots within the same universe despite wanting to stop at their first arc because the book publisher wanted more material to sell. You could read any arc and get the same experience due to how similar they are.) That's why you have people exploring new territory when it comes down to writing topics. (I creatively write and it'd bore me if I had to cover the same ground repeatedly.)
i don't think i know how this correlates to the push for representation and wither or not someone wants it in their writing@@IJustAnimateThatsTheJist
If you cover the news on the tv show, I'd be curious to ehar your thoughts on how the animates series could fix and improve many of the problems in Wings of Fire.
Some of these are hilarious--
6:03
Are you serious... I read the series at 7. I was no where traumatised, okay- I wasn't even 10 or above-
The first one "not appropriate for my fith grader" i did my 3 grade book report on the first book. WHY
kinda obsessed with the reviews saying that the books got "too political" with the inclusion of Sundew and Willow when the series was originally about succession drama and war
I've read the whole series and its really good. The parents think wings of fire is violent? Try warrior cats. 😂
Yeah, I agree Warrior Cats is amazing, but boy can they be violent
Holy crud
Parents should not review books they haven't read themselves
Parents: I can excuse murder/genocide/abuse in the books my children read, but I draw the line at 2 same-sex characters having a loving, consensual, romantic relationship
Me: I think I just lost half of my braincells wHat-
It was Wings of Fire that made me realize how exactly poison jungle can feel for lesbians. It was that book that made me realize how they might feel. I am grateful to Tui💜
2:34 I do want to learn about a lesbian's dragon relationship, thank you very much homophobic parent.
The fact there are 323 people who found that helpful is concerning, for my own sake im going to say they are bots
I feel like I'm seeing you every lately LOL
Angry WOF reviews?!? Imposible!!!
Hey I just wanted to say something, and before I do, I am NOT homophobic or transphobic in any way, and I do not condone ANY of this behavior whatsoever.
You made several comments in the video warning that some of these reviews are homophobic and transphobic, however, can’t people just have their opinions? Not everyone supports LGBTQ+, and that’s okay as long as they are not discriminatory or hateful towards people in that category. Parents make decisions based on what they think is best (which is not always right, may I point out) for their children, and I don’t think that should be shunned upon. Now, I took into consideration your comment about sheep and how it is dangerous for someone to mindlessly follow others, in which I totally agree, however, once a child is out from under the roof of their parent’s protection, they make decisions for themselves. By then they will have matured enough to have seen a bit of life and know what to do in situations like these. Parents offer incredible guidance, however, they are not always right, so making decisions firsthand once one reaches adulthood is definitely something that is inevitable. This world has just reached over 8 billion people, and none of them have the same exact worldview.
Anywho, just wanted to make that (small 😂) comment:) Again, I do NOT condone hate or bigotry acts in any way whatsoever I just want to present the other side of the argument ❤❤
When i was younger i would have LOVED to read the wof graphic novels. Yet everyone is complaining abt children reading it-
The wings of fire book series is one of the things that made me get into books. It was a really good starter for me, enough violence and tension and good characters, I read this book when I was the recommended age. I don’t think 8-9 year olds should read this book series, because the violence can be a bit much for those kids. The LBTGQ theming was the least of my concern in the book. Dark stalker legends was a bit more gruesome, and should be rated 13+ for having to imagine the scene of arctics death, or seeing depictions of it online.
But yes the book series is amazing, I would definitely recommend it to anyone who wants a book that is interesting, but also a bit violent.
Also, I would like to note. I am a Christian, but I already knew about the LBTGQ. I didn’t really care about the relationships or whatever was going on with them. I just cared about what was happening next
6:00 "i was reading it with my nine year old" i fell like by halfway into book one you would see its not for kids under like 11 except for a select few (me) who had some kinda trauma or are fine with that kinda stuff
Same, I read warrior cats when I was 8 lol
Very well done on this video. You reflect good insight and well thought out responses to these reviews. I sensed a trend in some of these reviews that leaned to certain political leanings that are more forced on children than anything in these books have done. For context, i am an almost 50yr mother to a 23yr daughter that got me into the series. This is a great way for children to learn not to judge other relationships, not only those of same sex but also different race, and to be more accepting. Anyone who has to state their "accepting" but shows otherwise like these reviews need to consult a mirror about who they really are. Again, great job on the video!
Honestly, the fact that these books have gay characters made me curious! I don't know ANYTHING about Wings of Fire, so that already gives me an interest.
I started reading wings of fire when i was 8 lol
to speak directly to the two gay relationships I know of that canonically got off the ground Sundew and Willow are fine I didn't even really care at all I just considered to be sundew openly pursuing something that made her happy as for Jambu and Pineapple this pair through me for a loop however in the short segment shown in flame of hope it is clear both of them care deeply and are happy together, which should be the end of it, these show are for kids so how they pleasure themselves isn't a factor towards the plot and is inapproite to even state as a reason, teaching kids that if someone makes you happy persueing them in a kind respectful manner (looking at you Kinkajo and Turtle) is healthy regardless of gender, honestly I don't have an issue with it hell my favourite non-canon ship is Quiter for crying out loud as they seem to just link together very well and that relationship would NEVER get boring Qibli wouldn't allow it.
Amazon should make it so you can reply to reviews-
5th grader…… year 6?
that age is perfectly fine to read wof and warrior cats , depending on how mature the child is.
ik ppl who read warrior cats in yr 3 & wof in yr4 and they were fine lol
I feel as if there’s a difference between being homophobic and being in a religion with homophobic views. Whilst personally, I think that’s wrong and pretty disgusting, it would be like going to a Christian and saying there is no god and Jesus isn’t real. Some of these people probably were raised under these types of religions, so I try not to judge unless I know for certain it’s plain Homphobia.
As someone who read wings of fire at a very young age, it definitely IS too violent for kids and I’m surprised people are saying it’s fine. Same with warrior cats, not for kids. It’s definitely more of a series for teens
oHnO, nOT ThE gAYs
WAIT WHO’S THE NONBINARY CHARACTER!?!?
Axoltl
I have a water hose.
Why are you commenting this on a WOF video?
@@KodasToyReviews I meant that as a joke toward the people that gaved criticsism
@@dan20493👍
All these reviews where funny. The homophobic ones in a bad way, but it is funny how the parents freak out over a few characters being lgbtqia+, most of them are minor even other then Sundew, that are actually in the books. All the other main characters (minus Sunny, and hopefully she stays that way) ARE in a relationship, or at least implied to be in one, none of the reviewers care unless its Sunlow
man just wait until these parents find out about harry potter
Jambu x Pineapple 4 lyfe
I laughed my ass off when I first started the series on audible and saw the reviews from angry parents. The homophobic and bigotry kinda breaks my heart though. Especially when it's a review written by the young reader.
I grew up in the closet and was surrounded by homophobia. I use to be super disappointed when a media I liked had gay characters cause I was scared my parents would forbid it and they usually did if they noticed. It was a bad time. I really feel for the kids of the parents who left these hateful reviews.
"i will burn this book" best thumbnail ever
These concerned parents are so hilarious, dragons should never eat them because they are so distasteful.
Fr, and some of their children too 😭
Like, which brat cried and ran to their mom after reading about gay dragons??
this is going to be good.
another thing i have to say is there was nothing about sex in this KIDS BOOK SEIRIES
Bruh to all the parents why don't they look to see the blub and check the book before they give it to the kids
Maybe read about the books instead of just buying the book instantly and complaining about it lol
i love the books
I started reading the series a month after i turned 9 and i turned out fine just one problem ITS NOT VIOLENT ENOUGH DURING THE WAR!
Wow, just wow, sometimes i wonder what is in the minds of these people. Also do you have a discord server?
Here's my review
3/10
Books are way too short, each one needs to be about twice the original length. Sutherland is really good at describing random acts of violence, but (as of the three arcs, if a 4th arc is confirmed) pretty bad at wrapping up those nice subplots. (Remember Sora and Umbra, book six anyone?). Stuck with the plot? Do one of these: murder a random character barely introduced, imprison the main character and/or their companion(s) or divert the reader's attention to a subplot we'll never mention again and that really doesn't affect the story.
Hell, the third arc, aside from Blue and Cricket, was pretty 'meh' overall. (Sundew, your relationship with Willow is adorable, but screw you for A: not trying to save SwordTail, B: yelling at Blue for saving Swordtail, and C: for straightup murdering the Leafwing I won't name for spoilers. No hesitation there eh?)
almost forgot to mention its not that violent so shut up to the people who say it is!!!!
My parents are kinda homophobic but they can't speak English, good for me i can read the books in original languagew without my parents noticing gay couples
I’m sorry your parents are homophobic, just know you’re not alone and things will eventually get better
I didn't even know that there was gay dragons
The books are good I like reading them
Although I like WoF, personally, I think some of these reveiws have good points, considering the age group the series is targeted towards. (I would bump it up to 13+)
It is very difficult to know which one’s A female and which One is a male so maybe that’s why they think it’s gay.
2:03 there are books in my kids school library talking about gay sex I have a right to not have my kids see that
There's like , one nonbinery character and its just a scavenger. Its not a big deal.
I just started watching wof and I'm 10 😂😂😂
Actually read this book once it was the boys who challenge Hitler that’s probably going to be a very controversial book i’m just saying there’s many other book I have the same problem
Wof review 1 star,dragons are better then humans 😤 my 4 month old kid burnt all the books and buried the ashes
In the 2024 every one talking about transgender.But back in my granddad days TV was more about the political stuff. talking about how the war was going
No but like - why do people care about the homosexual relationships in the book instead of the ACTUAL storyline?? The book isn't called "WILLOW AND SUNDEW - A LESBIAN DRAGON RELATIONSHIP" People should focus on the other part of the story, ESPECIALLY because the relationship is not explored very much in ANY of the books. Don't get me wrong, I loved the little tidbits of the relationship, it's probably my favorite ship, but that wasn't the ONLY THING I PAYED ATTENTION TO when reading the whole book. Why do people care so much smh
My god some of this reviews are stupid most of these books are made for audiences of **all** ages so some of the more mature books are for to keep teens(like myself) and adults interested and it annoys me since I'm a very big wof fun Also sry for ranting in this coment
At 1:18, you said that there was 1 non-binary character. Who are they?
Axolotl
@@Mazartyoh the little scavenger!
Mate if it to violent not read it but why is there gay dragon
3 minutes ago omg
3 hours*
@@KodasToyReviews it said 3 mins 💀
“ItS tOo vIolEnt” heart visibly breaking here😢
“Just let kids be kids” uhm, I don’t know where you have been, we are
Wait which characters are trans????
I'm pretty sure Cobra Lily is trans (idk, haven't read the books in awhile) and I heard there's a nonbinary character in darkstalker’s book
Oh yeah and Tui said there's the possibility she'll make Sky trans
@@TheKoiCatDragon I think Cobra Lily is just a girl, and after rereading the books I found that Axolotl from book 15, the human who had the dragon book and helped guide the characters to the abyss, is only ever referred to as “they”. Might look at Darkstalkers book though just to see if that’s true or na.
LOL IM 8😭😭😭😭
The closest we've got so far to a transgender character in the series is Hailstorm/Pyrite. And while I'd love to see that, I doubt it'll be made canon as it would look a lot like "Oh, you're trans because of a traumatic experience" which is kind of a big no-no in terms of minority representation.
There is also the non-binary scavenger in book 15, that Wren has to explain to Sky.
It’d also be hard cause uh- the dragons don’t really have gender differences?
According to Tui it’s possible Sky is transgender
No comment.
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💀 it wouldn’t make sense to have trans dragons like bruh there’s gay penguins (it’s true) so it would make sense to have at least some gay dragons but trans dragons… (I respect trans) that’s just too far 😒
They have human level intelligence though, there's no reason why they couldn't be
@@ladydead7001 just because they have human level intelligence doesn’t mean they always have to relate to US? It would not make sense for there to be a trans dragon there still like dogs and cats it wouldn’t make sense for there to be a transgender bird?!?
@The_entity666 the dragons also do have a concept of gender (only females are allowed to rule for example), they have full on societies, I don't see how a trans dragon would be unrealistic
@@ladydead7001 💀 a trans dragon is not realistic they aren’t human there just giant lizards with wings who can talk English that’s the only similarity they have to humans that isn’t eating drinking they think similarly to us but they still think differently in some ways if you just want drama you’re talking to the wrong person…
Why not dragons? There’s been many a news article about lions or chickens being trans, (not in the way we classify it as they are ANIMALS. but still! It’s interesting) and these dragons have intelligence on par with humans.
And gender is a social construct, which dragons clearly have a concept of. Also there’s magic what are you on about
LGBTQ+ POWER!!!!!!!!
As a nine-year-old that reads wings of fire, I’ve only read seven books, and I’m actually completely okay with it, I don’t mind LGBT because I respect it :)
(Also, I love violence, my mom knows that I’m obsessed with reading blood, so.. that’s okay.)
throw the books in a fire? nah throw the parents- (this is a joke)
I just hate wof bc it just sucks
why are you watching a wings of fire centric video then
as a kid i had to stop reading wings of fire because of of all the gay contents. I live in a christian family and still live up to those values and i respect everyone. Doesnt mean i respect the content of some of their beliefs though. i would ask you to be a little more respectful towards the families who said those "homophobic" things. I do personally agree that the plot line was much to focused on the relationship of willow and honeydew. If you ask many people theyll actually say the quality of the books has dropped from book thirteen and beyond. such the book series is definitely not at the hight of its fame. If you have any questions please be respectful and i will answer. thanks for reading ❤
Nah, they have no reason to be respectful towards people saying openly hateful stuff
like i said im only giving answers to respectful comments@@ladydead7001
@user-vj6gh4ov3h sorry for not respecting homophobia 🙄
I think book 15 just kinda sllllllooooooowwwwlllly went on without excitement and it was boring
@@ladydead7001 just so you know phobia means fear. pretty sure these people arent afraid of homosexuality.
I used to be a huge wof fan
I hate the series now though
Why is that?
I used to be a massive fan in my teens. Now I'm in my twenties and I can tell it has it's fair share of problems, and while I am pretty vocal about my issues with the series I can't say that I hate it, I'm just left disappointed at times.
@@pyronuke4768 me too
I know that they are many good people of religion who will to do good thing under their beliefs but if your going overboard about evils immorality inc political activity, massacre or violent and wars a book series the bible is far nastier than any books made today but your don't sheild your kids from
Look, I do think the first one was overreacting a bit, but I don’t think you should be hating on a person for their opinion. You said SPECIFICALLY that people should respect each other’s lifestyles, and yet you are dissing this person for their opinion. I personally didn’t like the fact that there were gay characters in this series when I read this as a kid, NOT because I was being sheltered from it by my parents, but because I just didn’t like the sudden burst of gay characters in the third arc. I don’t agree with that lifestyle, but I do respect those who live that way. And also, as a Christian, I still very much enjoy this series even though it’s has a few things that I don’t agree with, so I usually skip or ignore those parts. So PLEASE don’t call me ‘homophobic’.
"i don't agree with that lifestyle" please elaborate
@@f3nnztar the Bible says that it is a sin in several accounts, so I abide by that. That does not mean I hate anyone who lives that way though.
@@LuckyTheCat256where does the Bible say it’s a sin?
@@ayee_bailey Leviticus 18:22, Leviticus 20:13, 1 Corinthians 6:9-10, Romans 1:26-27
@@LuckyTheCat256 thinking that someone being queer (which isn't a choice) is wrong is sorta a bad thing